| cwillu_at_work | although I suppose that's more my choice of daughterboard than anything | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| rcn-ee | yeah, those crappy usb mini a's to other... | 00:00 |
| cwillu_at_work | http://imgur.com/eaWYc&4cRh9&VetF1 | 00:00 |
| cwillu_at_work | (3 images there) | 00:01 |
| rcn-ee | small but useful, easy to fit a project/product around it.. | 00:02 |
| cwillu_at_work | yep | 00:02 |
| cwillu_at_work | about half the size of the beagle, and the same vertical clearance as the beagle's hdmi port | 00:02 |
| cwillu_at_work | they publish/open-sourced the schematics and such for the daughterboards, although not for the actual mainboards | 00:03 |
| cwillu_at_work | they bring out all of the pins though, or at least the vast majority of them | 00:04 |
| cwillu_at_work | some day when I'm right, I kinda wanna make an overo super computer :) | 00:04 |
| cwillu_at_work | daughterboard with slots for like 16 mainboards :) | 00:05 |
| rcn-ee | that would look sweet, lots of cpu power in a small area.. i know a another guy was buiding a full rack of beagles last year, but the pic's never surfaced.. | 00:06 |
| Martyn | rcn-ee : I've got something better :) | 00:10 |
| Martyn | rcn-ee : and I'm bringing it to UDS :) | 00:10 |
| rcn-ee | really small tegra 2? ;) nivida finally okay'd me, but they are still backordered... | 00:11 |
| Martyn | rcn-ee : Really awesome arm cluster :) | 00:11 |
| Martyn | the first smooth-stone prototype | 00:11 |
| rcn-ee | ah very cool... are they shooting for min-atx form factor. ;) | 00:12 |
| Martyn | No | 00:13 |
| Martyn | but I can't really talk about form factors | 00:13 |
| Martyn | In fact, even the prototype I'm bringing has to be kept in the box, and not opened | 00:14 |
| rcn-ee | that's defintelly an early proto... | 00:14 |
| Martyn | Yep. | 00:15 |
| cwillu_at_work | Martyn, ignore the man in the sunglasses and dark hat | 00:21 |
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| DanaG | hmm, how do I get the u-boot to user the initramfs flashed by flash-kernel? | 04:39 |
| zumbi | lool: that's great -- i wish i could have more time to do this kind of work :) | 09:22 |
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| NCommander | lool: if your around, can you take a look at approving this: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-maverick-arm-improved-subarch-detection/ | 10:35 |
| ogra | rcn-ee, so looks like we have a workaround for the rootstock hang ! | 10:55 |
| NCommander | ogra: \o/ | 11:04 |
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| zumbi | ogra: what do you think of using multistrap instead debootstrap? | 11:12 |
| ogra | what does it gain us over just using the mirror argument to rootstock ? | 11:12 |
| ogra | note that there is no problem to point it to a debian mirror ... it will likely just break on the hardcoded ubuntu stuff after debootstrap atm | 11:13 |
| ogra | which someone will have to fix for debian if a debian compatibility is wanted | 11:13 |
| zumbi | ogra: oem or thrid parties repositories to be supported | 11:14 |
| zumbi | s,thrid,third | 11:14 |
| zumbi | ogra: i'll have a look for debian compat but in terms of multistrap | 11:14 |
| zumbi | if you find it appropiate | 11:14 |
| ogra | does it behave like debootstrap otherwise ? | 11:14 |
| ogra | i have no objections if it doesnt break the current behavior | 11:15 |
| zumbi | multistrap behaves like debootstrap, but you can also add $your_business_mirror for customized packages | 11:15 |
| ogra | (i.e. it has to work with qemu-arm-static ... and should support all the ubuntu debootstrap scripts we use by default) | 11:15 |
| zumbi | ogra: sure, i'll try not to break current | 11:15 |
| zumbi | qemu should not be a problem, I'll have a look to debootstrap ubuntu stuff, but do you have a patched debootstrap? | 11:16 |
| ogra | in ubuntu ? just a bit i think | 11:17 |
| zumbi | it might be good then to add a switch so one can pick up which on to use (atm) debootstrap or multistrap | 11:17 |
| ogra | hmm 1.0.20ubuntu1 ... the version indicates that everything should be in debian | 11:17 |
| * ogra reads the description | 11:18 | |
| ogra | "A debootstrap replacement with multiple repository support" | 11:18 |
| ogra | the word replacement scares me a bit | 11:18 |
| zumbi | well, it is just a matter of having a switch for each one of them (at the moment) | 11:19 |
| ogra | switching back and forth should be no prob | 11:19 |
| zumbi | ogra: you might not see it right now, but I only see benefits from using multistrap | 11:19 |
| ogra | it only scares me that i know debootstrap is maintained by the same person in ubuntu and debian so i can 100% rely on it to work for both | 11:20 |
| ogra | without having to fix patch or touch it at all | 11:20 |
| persia | Also, all the rest of our tools use debootstrap, so it would make something the odd one out. | 11:21 |
| zumbi | yes, that's a plus, we maintain multistrap and we are not hostile | 11:21 |
| ogra | but as i said, being able to switch between debootstrap and multistrap shouldnt be any prob at all | 11:21 |
| zumbi | we as emdebian | 11:21 |
| persia | zumbi: If you'd be happy to *also* maintain it in Ubuntu, that makes the decision less awkward :) | 11:21 |
| persia | ogra: Do you support --debootstrap-mirror already? | 11:21 |
| ogra | persia, i support only the mirror atm | 11:22 |
| zumbi | persia: sure, do i have to fins a sponsor for ubuntu or do an nm? | 11:22 |
| ogra | no reason --debootstrap-mirror couldnt be added with a few lines though | 11:22 |
| zumbi | (apologies for my spelling) | 11:22 |
| persia | There are no maintainers in Ubuntu, so everything is kinda NM (but we pretend we're in Uploaders without changing it). | 11:22 |
| ogra | zumbi, we sync from debian :) | 11:22 |
| persia | If you can get a single source tree that works well for both environments, then we can just sync, which is easiest. | 11:23 |
| ogra | if there is ubuntu support in the debian package we'll automatically get it | 11:23 |
| zumbi | ok, that should not be a problem or if it is we should work on it to fix it. | 11:23 |
| ogra | if you look at debootstrap, it just has two ubuntu scripts (and a bunch of links) added over debian | 11:23 |
| ogra | hmm, no i lied, its a few more | 11:24 |
| ogra | 9 actually | 11:24 |
| ogra | but using the same since the gutsy release | 11:25 |
| zumbi | anyway, i'll have a look sometime, do not expect any soon :) | 11:25 |
| ogra | ok | 11:25 |
| zumbi | btw, wookey will be arround at uds | 11:25 |
| ogra | oh, nice | 11:25 |
| zumbi | he is our project leader | 11:25 |
| ogra | i met him at a CELF in amsterdam | 11:26 |
| ogra | we were discussing solar thermal systems ;) | 11:26 |
| ogra | since we both own one | 11:26 |
| zumbi | yes, hehe, he likes that stuff | 11:26 |
| zumbi | well, thanks for the attention | 11:27 |
| ogra | zumbi, btw :) http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/watchthesun/ | 11:31 |
| zumbi | is that a demo or your system? cool -- i used to work for a company which did things like that with sensors and stuff :) | 11:35 |
| zumbi | uhm.. and it is real time :) | 11:36 |
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| ogra | yep :) | 11:36 |
| ogra | well, delayed, it rsyncs the data to the public server every hour | 11:36 |
| ogra | the relatime ubuntu machine sits in my basement | 11:36 |
| zumbi | wookey had a similar thing, http://www.wookware.org/talks/hotwaterballoon-Fosdem2009.pdf | 11:39 |
| zumbi | he tracks temps with rrdtool graphs | 11:39 |
| ogra | yeah, i havent found the time yet for the matching rrd setup | 11:40 |
| ogra | ist on ym TODO list but my job doesnt leave me much time for it | 11:40 |
| ogra | the site i showed you was actually supposed to only be the start, clicking on a sensor on the page should pop up the mrtg/rrd graph | 11:41 |
| zumbi | nice | 11:43 |
| zumbi | there is a project (flukso.net) which might be of help | 11:44 |
| ogra | oh, nice ! | 11:44 |
| zumbi | they have a monitoring rrdtool based system with git repo, http://github.com/icarus75/flukso | 11:44 |
| ogra | cool | 11:45 |
| zumbi | but I have not check out the code to see if it is generic or if it is to much hardware dependent | 11:45 |
| * ogra would love to bring ubuntu into home aoutomation some day | 11:45 | |
| zumbi | there was a talk/bof on that topic on later debconf, interesting stuff.. yes | 11:46 |
| lool | asac: Any input on the improved-subarch detection spec? | 12:11 |
| lool | asac: I'm going to prepapprove it, we can decide to schedule or not | 12:12 |
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| rcn-ee | hey ogra, (qemu apt bug) those 3 times that it did work, did you just stick the "echo 3 /proc/cpu/alignment" in the install script? my two machines still locked up... | 18:55 |
| persia | rcn-ee: You might want to check the #ubuntu-devel logs: soren reported that the symptoms were very common to some seen for x86 in hardy. | 19:05 |
| rcn-ee | thanks persia, it's almost to the point i should just auto login there too. ;) | 19:06 |
| persia | It's not a bad idea in general. Most of the core discussions for all architectures happen there, and it's a point of coordination between all the different development teams. | 19:11 |
| ogra_cmpc | rcn-ee, its "echo 3 >/proc/cpu/alignment" | 19:59 |
| ogra_cmpc | rcn-ee, needs to go somewhere after the mount stuff in the installer script | 20:00 |
| rgreening | persia: ping | 20:19 |
| * persia mumbles about contentless pings | 20:19 | |
| rgreening | ha | 20:20 |
| rgreening | persia: just wondering about the possibilities of Ubuntu on ARM for Archos 5it? ARM Core A8 | 20:20 |
| rgreening | persia: specs are 32GB of storage, an 800MHz ARM Cortex-A8 CPU, 256MB of RAM, 802/11b/g/n WiFi, a USB port, and runs Android 1.6 | 20:21 |
| * persia is trying to figure out *which* Cortex-A8 | 20:22 | |
| rgreening | dunno if suitable to hackin ubuntu on to it.. but Id be willing to help out if its usable as a device we may want to target | 20:22 |
| rgreening | hmm.... | 20:22 |
| rgreening | dont have the unit in fromt of me to see if I can figure it out persia | 20:23 |
| persia | Yeah, should work fine. | 20:23 |
| persia | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-live/current/lucid-netbook-armel+omap.img would be the image you want. | 20:24 |
| persia | Might need some hints to the kernel: it *should* boot on any OMAP3, but it's never quite that simple :) | 20:24 |
| persia | I think there's some special codecs and video drivers, but I don't know the package names offhand. | 20:25 |
| persia | And, as much as you like Kubuntu, running it with only 256MB of RAM will be extra fun :) | 20:26 |
| rgreening | persia: ya well aware of that. im thinking ubuntu for this | 20:26 |
| persia | Just remove the "k" from the URL :) | 20:26 |
| rgreening | ya | 20:27 |
| rgreening | persia: so, this thing has an internal flash, and I assume I just write the img to it using the imagewriter ya? | 20:27 |
| rgreening | persia: also, do we have an easy way to backup whats there? so it can be restored? or thoughts on this? | 20:28 |
| persia | No, it's not going to be quite that simple :) | 20:28 |
| rgreening | figured as much | 20:28 |
| persia | First step would be to track down some device-specific forum, and make sure you know how to backup & reflash the flash. | 20:28 |
| persia | Next would be to try to find a way to boot *selectable* kernels (because you want to make sure you don't flash something that bricks the device) | 20:29 |
| rgreening | http://archosfans.com has some useful links. I believe Archos released a developer linux image for the 5it | 20:29 |
| persia | Then try booting the kernel. When that doesn't work, find/make a kernel that boots, and try to get that into the Ubuntu kernel tree. | 20:29 |
| persia | Note that folks will be annoyed if you make their devices stop booting along the way :) | 20:30 |
| rgreening | heh | 20:30 |
| persia | (most folks running the omap kernels seem to have BeagleBoards) | 20:30 |
| rgreening | This may be something for me to poke around with at UDS in the evenings | 20:31 |
| persia | *once* you have a working kernel, then you probably want to do an HD-install, following one of tbm's guides on how to install to a NAS. | 20:31 |
| rgreening | persia: this unit has a SD card slot and I have a 8 GB card in it | 20:31 |
| rgreening | could use that? | 20:32 |
| persia | If you can find a way to convince the bootloader to boot off SD, sure :) | 20:32 |
| rgreening | lol | 20:32 |
| rgreening | loads of fun | 20:32 |
| persia | It's probably running some version of uboot. | 20:32 |
| persia | But determining which, and how to adjust the config, and how to avoid bricking it in the process is where you get to have fun :) | 20:33 |
| * rgreening remembers the easy days of dd | 20:33 | |
| persia | dd works, but you have to be *running an OS* to run dd :) | 20:34 |
| persia | This kind of fiddling isn't arch-specific: there's plenty of powerpc designs that have the same issues. | 20:34 |
| persia | It's about not having a standard for all devices to use the *same* hardware-bringup interface, so one can link into OS-specific second-stage bootloaders (e.g. grub) | 20:35 |
| rgreening | here's a link to someone else hacking on this apparantly: http://fladnag.net/blog/category/archubuntu/ | 20:35 |
| rgreening | tru dat | 20:35 |
| persia | Cool, so the find-way-to-swap-kernel-without-bricking-it and find-kernel-config-that-works steps should be easy. | 20:36 |
| rgreening | I think he is using the develop edition firmware from archos | 20:37 |
| rgreening | I may have to pop him a msg | 20:38 |
| rgreening | ty persia | 20:38 |
| persia | Let me know how it goes, and if you get it working, please document *how* on the wiki. | 20:38 |
| persia | I'd like a little more RAM, but if it works, and can have USB Host somehow, I'd personally prefer it to a BeagleBoard. | 20:39 |
| * persia likes shiny plastic cases | 20:39 | |
| persia | Note that it will suffer from all the standard issues that Ubuntu has at 800x480 :) | 20:39 |
| persia | You probably want to install lubuntu-desktop or similar on it. | 20:40 |
| rgreening | heh. | 20:40 |
| rgreening | just watching this. part way thru a ubuntu desktop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GIyeonA5jE | 20:41 |
| rgreening | he has to reboot/hard shut as not touch and no keyboard. hah | 20:42 |
| persia | Looks like Archos as a "mini-dock" that you want to get to have a keyboard. | 20:44 |
| rgreening | or a bluetooth kdeboard. I have a bluetooth mouse and it works well with it | 20:44 |
| rgreening | yes. I have used a mouse with this | 20:44 |
| rgreening | :P | 20:44 |
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| Guest20529 | in chicago ... | 23:00 |
| * cwillu_at_work stalks rcn-ee | 23:37 | |
| persia | Might be getting late in the day for that :) rcn-ee's are best caught a few hours earlier. | 23:47 |
| cwillu_at_work | ya, I only got my images in a row a few minutes ago | 23:49 |
| cwillu_at_work | I've found a hardware dependent btrfs failure :) | 23:49 |
| cwillu_at_work | or a btrfs dependent hardware failure :/ | 23:50 |
| cwillu_at_work | same card and image works in both beagles and overos if the rootfs is ext3 | 23:50 |
| rcn-ee | nah i'm back.. ;) wow... so it's only btrfs on overo.. | 23:50 |
| cwillu_at_work | yep | 23:50 |
| cwillu_at_work | and at least that one specific file | 23:50 |
| rcn-ee | that's just crazy... so what do we do next.. get the btrfs's guys involved/ | 23:51 |
| cwillu_at_work | I poked them as well, yes | 23:51 |
| cwillu_at_work | I'm guessing it's something with the "retrying using single block read" honestly, i.e., either btrfs isn't flushing properly, or something | 23:52 |
| cwillu_at_work | ooo, reply in #btrfs | 23:52 |
| rcn-ee | cwillu_at_work, btw.. just in case... you haven't tried the 2.6.33.3-l1 right? (i think i found another gcc/kernel bug... | 23:53 |
| cwillu_at_work | nope | 23:53 |
| cwillu_at_work | you saw the pastes right? | 23:53 |
| rcn-ee | good, lucid's version stops at uncompressing.. (actually just loading as i see it..) grabbing a beer and taking shoes off. ;) | 23:54 |
| cwillu_at_work | shhhh, he's thinking :p | 23:57 |
| rcn-ee | patiently waits.. (they don't log their channel do they) | 23:57 |
| cwillu_at_work | uncertain | 23:58 |
| cwillu_at_work | usually I'm trying to get cmason's attention | 23:59 |
| rcn-ee | i couldn't find anything quick oh, well it'll be interesting to see what he thinks.. | 23:59 |
| cwillu_at_work | I wouldn't hold your breath yet :) | 23:59 |
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