[00:01] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> question, how do I do this in linux:http://pastebin.com/PzRs1jbi
[00:40] <pedro3005> fala lobinho
[01:12] <lobinho> oh, sorry for the wait, pedro3005
[01:12] <lobinho> my connection dropped and I hadn't seen your message =)
[01:13] <pedro3005> lobinho, how goes?
[01:14] <lobinho> good, good
[01:14] <lobinho> what's up?
[01:14] <pedro3005> not much
[01:14] <pedro3005> lobinho, chega ai no #ubuntu-beginners-dev
[01:16] <lobinho> sorry, I'm a little busy right now
[01:16] <lobinho> I'll go out for dinner with the folks here and once I get back I'll log back in ;)
[01:16] <pedro3005> ok, have a good time :)
[01:16] <lobinho> thanks
[02:14] <pointydrip> hello, I just upgraded to 10.04 and I get past the logo screen on boot, I believe it is a problem with the my nvidia card, can anyone help
[02:18] <pointydrip> i first tried manually installing the nvidia drivers in the recovery console, but that didn't help
[02:21] <pointydrip> are you not supposed to be able to revert to older kernels in GRUB once upgrading to 10.04?
[02:28] <pointydrip> anyone have experience with 10.04 and nvidia cards?
[02:28] <Jon_Monreal> pointydrip: You should be able to use older kernels via grub if you haven't uninstalled them.
[02:29] <Jon_Monreal> pointydrip: What's your Nvidia problem?
[02:29] <pointydrip> I get: usplash:427 freeing invalid memtype
[02:31] <pointydrip> there was originally an issue with the mouse pointer input, which prevented me from logging in at first so I rebooted
[02:31] <pointydrip> ...installed the drivers manually from the recovery console,
[02:32] <pointydrip> now on boot it freezes at the ubuntu logo
[02:33] <Jon_Monreal> pointydrip: What card do you have?
[02:33] <pointydrip> gtx 280
[02:34] <pointydrip> 64-bit
[02:35] <Jon_Monreal> pointydrip: Have you tried one of the older kernels?
[02:37] <pointydrip> I can't revert for some reason, all the ones that were previously stable i get (before anything) a blinking dash for a while then: usplash:427 freeing invalid memtype mmmmmmffffffffff....
[02:37] <pointydrip> im on my laptop
[02:37] <pointydrip> for now
[02:38] <Jon_Monreal> pointydrip: Can you try reinstalling the drivers?
[02:40] <pointydrip> yes, I just ran --config gl_conf, ldconfig, nvidia-xconfig and it gives me: WARNING: Unable to parse X.Org version string
[02:40] <pointydrip> i'll try reinstalling
[02:41] <Jon_Monreal> pointydrip: You might want to try "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)" and "sudo apt-get install build-essential pkg-config xorg-dev" before you reinstall
[02:41] <pointydrip> okay, thnx
[02:56] <pointydrip> that didn't seem to work, I did notice that when I upgraded it installed headers 2.6.31-21 and 2.6.31-22, using t2.6.31-22 I made it to the login screen but couldn't do anything because of the pointer error, which after reinstalling is gone, but now it brings me to the command login instead of a graphical
[02:56] <pointydrip> 2.6.32-22 still freezes at the ubuntu logo
[02:58] <pointydrip> how do I start x server from command line?
[02:58] <Jon_Monreal> pointydrip: startx
[02:59] <pointydrip> i get: exec: 3: usr/bin/X: not found
[03:00] <pointydrip> it says no such file directory or process
[03:03] <Jon_Monreal> Can you sudo apt-get install - reinstall xserver-xorg
[03:06] <pointydrip> beautiful
[03:07] <Jon_Monreal> pointydrip: Beautiful good or beautiful bad?
[03:08] <pointydrip> well the choice of colour scheme for 10.04 is down right ugly, but at least it's working to a certain extent
[03:08] <Jon_Monreal> pointydrip: Hahahaha. Pointer working?
[03:09] <pointydrip> yeah, there are some window border peculiarities
[03:09] <Jon_Monreal> pointydrip: Also, if you try reinstalling the drivers, I would highly recommend trying EnvyNG http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[03:11] <Jon_Monreal> pointydrip: What are the effects of these peculiarities?
[03:11] <pointydrip> the borders are missing
[03:12] <Jon_Monreal> Can you go to a terminal and type: metacity --replace
[03:13] <pointydrip> that fixed it for the terminal window briefly, now things are freezing up
[03:14] <Jon_Monreal> pointydrip: A restart might be a good idea if it's not unfreezing.
[03:16] <pointydrip> okay, so should I try it again? or something else
[03:16] <Jon_Monreal> pointydrip: Yeah, try it again. Hopefully you won't even need to startx this time
[03:17] <pointydrip> yes i'm back in, but with the same issue
[03:17] <Jon_Monreal> Try metacity --replace again
[03:18] <pointydrip> okay it's working, I think what i did was closed the terminal window last time, is there a bash script I can create for this at startup?
[03:20] <Jon_Monreal> pointydrip: Try metacity --replace &
[03:21] <Jon_Monreal> pointydrip: And then restart. If it messes up again, we'll do something else.
[03:22] <pointydrip> okay, I've had issues with metacity in 9.10, but at least I can play around with it now
[03:24] <pointydrip> no that still didn't work, anyways that gets me out the whole I was in, now I have a mad rush to finish web updates...
[03:24] <pointydrip> thank you very much for the help
[03:40] <mohi1> hey starcraftman
[03:41] <starcraftman> evening mohi
[03:41] <starcraftman> it is I!
[03:42] <mohi1> =]
[03:42] <mohi1> starcraftman, i saw your name in red when i used pidgin. Any reasons??
[03:42] <starcraftman> how goes mohi1, channel is quiet.
[03:42] <starcraftman> mohi1: magic! I'm that good.
[03:43] <mohi1> starcraftman, now only i came and lol LIAR
[03:43]  * mohi1 thinks starcraftman must be evil so that his name is RED :P
[03:44] <starcraftman> really? Hmmm, perhaps. Does red have to be evil though?
[03:44] <mohi1> starcraftman, you told PabloRubianes to get in?? who gave permission for him?? xD
[03:44] <starcraftman> mohi1: he came to back me up on not being evil, clearly.
[03:44] <starcraftman> Right PabloRubianes?
[03:45] <PabloRubianes> of couse
[03:45] <PabloRubianes> course
[03:45] <mohi1> starcraftman, red is evil (defined by mohi =])
[03:45] <mohi1> starcraftman, you failed :P
[03:46] <mohi1> and i know PabloRubianes will never speak truth in his life
[03:46] <starcraftman> nooooooooooooooooo
[03:46] <mohi1> yesss
[03:46] <starcraftman> mohi1: are you implying PabloRubianes is biased in my favor? Well I never.
[03:46] <PabloRubianes> mohi1: please this is the support channel. we can talk in -team
[03:46] <mohi1> O_o
[03:46]  * starcraftman slips PabloRubianes another few cookies and beer under table.
[03:47] <starcraftman> PabloRubianes: true, but it was dead quiet. Over we go.
[03:47]  * mohi1 steals the cookies
[03:47] <PabloRubianes> starcraftman: yeah but this is logged... so all the non sense is recorded ;-)
[04:22] <TJ_D> Hi all, got a question, not sure if anyone can help. I'm fairly certain the code language I'm using is somewhat specific to the program it interacts with, but I'm guessing it's somewhat similar and so maybe someone can help.
[04:23] <TJ_D> I posted up my problem here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/428697/
[05:53] <vuxpyra> okay so like i just installed 10.04 but now the wireless and bluetooth adaptors arent working. halp plz?
[05:56] <shahan>  Chromium B.S.U
[05:56] <shahan> Chromium B.S.U is not installing from UBUNTU SOFTWARE CENTER
[05:57] <eks010> help I have a gateway netbook with win 7 starter     I installed ubuntu netbook via wubi    and   after install i rebooted and all I get is (after hitting enter to load ubuntu) is a flashing curser (underscore) and never load but if I edit the command in grub for recovery mode (chande hd to 0,1 insted of 0,2 it loads
[05:57] <eks010> ?
[05:57] <eks010> help me?
[05:57] <shahan> ohh....
[05:57] <shahan> nothing is being installing
[06:01] <shahan> let me take a restart of my PC..... will be back after taking BREAKFAST... WITH BREAD and Nocilla
[06:02] <ddecator> vuxpyra: have you checked to see if you need to install a proprietary driver for your wireless card?
[06:03] <ddecator> and eks010 already got off =\
[06:09] <vuxpyra> how do i do that. sorry sorta new to ubuntu
[06:09] <vuxpyra> ddecator
[06:09] <ddecator> go to System > Administration > Hardware Drivers, and it will let you know if any are available
[06:12] <shahan> hmm
[06:12] <shahan> now its downloading after restarting the PC
[06:12] <shahan> bey
[06:12] <ddecator> shahan: good to hear =)
[06:13] <vuxpyra> thxx. il try it out later. gotta connect thru cable first
[06:13] <ddecator> sure thing
[07:23] <shahan> a problem with GRUB
[07:23] <shahan> in LUCID
[07:23] <shahan> I have to restore it
[07:23] <shahan> how to do it in LUCID?
[07:23] <shahan> is there any easy solution?
[07:24] <shahan> a GUI solution?
[07:25] <swoody> shahan: this isn't a GUI solution, but it's a pretty easy to follow copy/paste command line guide: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[07:26] <swoody> scroll down to 'Recover grub2 via LiveCD'
[07:30] <shahan> swoody: tnx
[07:30] <shahan> swoody: its preety easy
[13:00] <shahan> hi
[13:00] <shahan> I am back
[13:09] <shahan> electricity gone....
[13:09] <shahan> I have to go
[14:31] <shahan> going to learn PHP and SQL
[14:31] <shahan> but looking for a easy way to learn it in UBUNTU
[14:33] <ZachK_> shahan: Meaning?
[14:33] <shahan> ZachK_: that is looking for a place to write programme
[14:34] <shahan> ZachK_: in Windows I used to in DreamWeaver
[14:34] <shahan> ZachK_: Adobe Dreamweaver
[14:34] <ZachK_> shahan: Look at Bluefish
[14:34] <shahan> ZachK_: I have installed it
[14:34] <shahan> ZachK_: but looking for more better things
[14:35] <ZachK_> Have you looked at notepad ++
[14:36] <shahan> ZachK_: no..
[14:36] <starcraftman> shahan: I'd say more just find a half decent bunch of tutorials on net or maybe even a book from library/amazon. The ide/editor you use isn't a big factor imo.
[14:36] <starcraftman> ZachK_: that's only windows btw.
[14:37] <shahan> hmm
[14:37] <shahan> starcraftman: hmm
[14:37] <starcraftman> shahan: I can't recommend off hand, I'm not a big php guy.
[14:37] <shahan> starcraftman: ok... tnx
[14:38] <starcraftman> shahan: and for IDE you might want to try eclipse or netbeans, both have php/web deveolopment plugins.
[14:38] <starcraftman> things like bluefish or quanta are more for web only where eclipse/netbeans more general ide.
[14:46] <shahan> starcraftman: netbeans is too big
[14:47] <shahan> starcraftman: I think BLUE FISH is good
[14:47] <starcraftman> shahan: didn't say was for everyone, guess its more a professional coders environment.
[14:47] <shahan> starcraftman: hmm
[14:47] <shahan> starcraftman:  okk....
[14:47] <shahan> starcraftman: I will practice in BLUEFISH
[14:47] <shahan> starcraftman: tnx for help
[14:47] <shahan> starcraftman: what do u do in PC?
[14:49] <shahan> starcraftman: now looking for a good source for learning it
[14:55] <starcraftman> shahan: I'm a computer science student, mostly do system programming.
[14:56] <starcraftman> java, c++, such, like perl too.
[14:56] <shahan> starcraftman: I wanna learn PERL
[14:56] <shahan> starcraftman: hmm
[14:56] <shahan> how to learn it?
[15:01] <starcraftman> shahan: well I got taught mostly in a web programming class, also got a book from O'reilly called learning perl.
[15:01] <starcraftman> It's quirky, takes some getting used to.
[15:02] <starcraftman> shahan: do you have any programming background?
[15:03] <shahan> starcraftman: no
[15:03] <shahan> starcraftman: no programming background
[15:03] <shahan> starcraftman: I am from BUSINESS FACULTY
[15:04] <shahan> starcraftman: but now.... I wanna learn Programming
[15:04] <shahan> starcraftman: but ... how to start?
[15:04] <shahan> starcraftman: I am in confusing
[15:04] <shahan> starcraftman: confusion
[15:06] <starcraftman> shahan: ah, I see. That would be a bit of a problem, getting into programming with no background can be time consuming.
[15:06] <shahan> starcraftman: no problem
[15:06] <shahan> starcraftman: I am interested to learn PHP and SQL
[15:06] <shahan> starcraftman: I have a little bit idea about HTML
[15:08] <starcraftman> shahan: html isn't so much a programming language as a markup. Mark ups simply dictate how something should look (i.e. whats on the page). Real functionality of a page comes from javascript that actually has variables and functions and such.
[15:08] <nemix> ok n00b here, trying to set up my first linux box, ubuntu 10.04 server, for file sharing, printer and scanner sharing
[15:08] <nemix> server is up
[15:08] <nemix> windows boxes and osx box can see it
[15:08] <nemix> can see the shared test file folder
[15:09] <nemix> cannot see the printer at all
[15:09] <nemix> that i've attempted to share
[15:10] <starcraftman> shahan: do you mind learning another language before php, python's a good language to start with imo and free books like  > http://diveintopython3.org/ are good.
[15:10] <starcraftman> nemix: What computer is the printer attached to?
[15:10] <nemix> printer is attached to the ubuntu server, my desire is to share out the printer and scanner, to all other computers on the network
[15:11] <nemix> ubuntu sees the printer, drivers and stuff i installed seem to work fine
[15:11] <nemix> and i've shared it out with the basic settings and a guide a found, but i must have missed something somewhere
[15:11] <starcraftman> nemix: this just a cli server or your running with a gui?
[15:12] <nemix> whats cli?  client?
[15:12] <shahan> starcraftman: tnx
[15:12] <shahan> is there anyone who has used gMobileMedia?
[15:12] <starcraftman> nemix: command line interface. A server can be run without a graphical top component, decreases resource load.
[15:13] <nemix> 10.04 x86 server install, i'm managing via vnc log in to the gui desktop
[15:13] <shahan> gMobileMedia
[15:13] <shahan> gMobileMedia is a software used for browsing the PHONE line Nokia PC Suite
[15:13] <nemix> nope, i'm vnc'd into the gui desktop  <---- n00b and command line is scary lol
[15:14] <shahan> is there anyone who has used gMobileMedia?
[15:14] <shahan> gMobileMedia is a software used for browsing the PHONE like Nokia PC Suite
[15:14] <shahan> is there anyone who has used "gMobileMedia"?
[15:14] <starcraftman> nemix: its only scary until you try.
[15:15] <starcraftman> nemix: anyway, hmmm, can I see guide you were following? I usually just buy independantly networked machines and have them set up to print over network.
[15:17] <nemix> let me see i had so many posts open
[15:18] <nemix> and yeah, i'll learn command, one step at a time, first osx box with terminal and now my first linus
[15:18] <nemix> linux even
[15:19] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> how do I access the device manager on Ubuntu or check to see if I have one installed
[15:20] <nemix> i dont see the post i was using
[15:20] <nemix> but here's what i have
[15:20] <nemix> so system / admin
[15:20] <nemix> printing
[15:20] <nemix> i see the printer there
[15:20] <nemix> only one
[15:20] <starcraftman> ZeRoDeAtH50435: device manager? lspci or lsusb commands maybe?
[15:20] <nemix> under the server menu
[15:21] <starcraftman> nemix: k, and it prints fine if you test it?
[15:21] <nemix> settings
[15:21] <nemix> i have publish shared printers connected to this system
[15:21] <nemix> then on the preferences of the actual printer itself (right click preferences)
[15:21] <nemix> i have under policies
[15:22] <nemix> enabled / accepting jobs / and shared
[15:22] <nemix> all checked
[15:22] <nemix> access control is allow printer for everyone except these users
[15:22] <nemix> and no users are liste
[15:22] <nemix> listed even
[15:23] <starcraftman> nemix: sounds like ya done what I woulda said, lemme see my own printing config.
[15:24] <nemix> maybe its some other kind of network setting i'm missing
[15:24] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> I need the one for network adapter, have to open the properties page, then the advanced tab
[15:24] <starcraftman> nemix: One thing you might want to note is:http://localhost:631/admin in a browser. One stop adminning for cups printing, some prefer this interface.
[15:25] <nemix> so in that interface
[15:25] <nemix> the printers tab
[15:25] <nemix> shows a printer
[15:25] <nemix> but hte administration tab doesnt
[15:27] <nemix> ah prehaps i'm an idiot, the admin tab printers section is just supposed to be buttons not a list i guess
[15:27] <starcraftman> nemix: that's fine, it should only be under printers tab.
[15:27] <starcraftman> nemix: click advanced blue button, you have sharing on?
[15:28] <nemix> advanced button where exactly?
[15:28] <starcraftman> nemix: aministration tab > sever settings > advanced.
[15:29] <nemix> ah
[15:29] <nemix> link not a button you threw me
[15:29] <nemix> share printers protocol
[15:29] <nemix> cups is checked, ladap and slp not
[15:29] <nemix> do i need all checked?
[15:30] <starcraftman> nemix:  the show and share printers lines are checked right?
[15:30] <nemix> yes
[15:31] <starcraftman> hmmm, pretty sure ya only need cups protocols. k, check the other ones then too
[15:31] <starcraftman> it should be working. Maybe cups service needs restarting, you can do it with following command:
[15:31] <starcraftman> sudo service cups restart
[15:31] <nemix> k
[15:31] <starcraftman> In a terminal Applciations > Accessories > Terminal
[15:32] <nemix> john@ubuntu-server:~$ sudo service cups restart
[15:32] <nemix> [sudo] password for john:
[15:32] <nemix>  * Restarting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd                         [ OK ]
[15:32] <nemix> john@ubuntu-server:~$
[15:32] <nemix> yeah lol
[15:32] <nemix> i know where the terminal is
[15:32] <nemix> just not good at it
[15:33] <nemix> good with it, i should say
[15:33] <starcraftman> nemix: check other systems now then see if sharing ok?
[15:34] <nemix> doesnt look like it
[15:34] <nemix> no printers were found
[15:34] <nemix> maybe some other network setting unrelated specefically to printer is hosed
[15:34] <starcraftman> sigh, this is why networking is a pain.
[15:35] <nemix> although both mac and pc see the server
[15:35] <starcraftman> nemix: it could be, unfortunately networking has many points of failure.
[15:35] <nemix> and see the file share folder
[15:36] <nemix> dag nab it, printer sharing was supposed ot be easy lol
[15:36] <nemix> scanner sharing was goign ot be the hard part
[15:36] <starcraftman> nemix: hehehe, sorry, not something I've lots of experience with.]
[15:36] <starcraftman> nemix: you posted on ubuntuforums.org?
[15:37] <starcraftman> They likely have more experienced networking people.
[15:37] <starcraftman> channels kinda quiet atm apart from me.
[15:37] <nemix> not yet, but i will
[15:37] <nemix> like the instant feedback of irc
[15:37] <nemix> :)
[15:39] <starcraftman> nemix: I understand, well your welcome to hang around we got some more knowledgeable folks than I, when they wake up.
[15:39] <nemix> early risers eh?
[15:40] <starcraftman> nemix: some just busy, some work, some go to school.
[15:40] <nemix> i hear yeah
[15:40] <nemix> i should be working right now
[15:41] <starcraftman> hehehe
[15:50] <nemix> I'm happy i got file sharing working right out of the box
[15:50] <nemix> now i'm greedy and want print and scanner too
[15:57] <nemix> yeah all my file shares seem to work great
[15:58] <nemix> pos printer
[15:58] <nemix> i guess worse comes to worse i could just share the printer from my win7 box
[16:14] <nemix> is there a built in disk defrag in here somewhere
[16:22] <geirha> nemix: http://linkpot.net/behead/
[16:26] <phillw> But Linux filesystems don't need defragmenting!
[16:26] <phillw> Whoever told you that is deeply mistaken, this is one of the most common myths of Linux.
[16:26] <phillw> What is true is that Linux filesystems avoid, where possible, fragmenting their inode tables. This means that the index of how files are split up (fragmented) across the disk, and where those parts are, tends to be kept together as a whole.
[16:26] <nemix> i kind of knew that, but i have a usb drive thats lived on windows for years
[16:26] <nemix> with good data
[16:26] <nemix> now its on my linux server
[16:26] <hobgoblin> ext4 changes that I think
[16:27] <nemix> so i need to plug it back to windows defrag
[16:27] <nemix> then go forward using it on the ubuntu server?
[16:27] <phillw> i was quoting one of the devs for ureadahead http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8998483&postcount=1
[16:30] <LzrdKing> linux filesystems get fragmented but don't need to be defragmented
[16:32] <nemix> hmm well i'm making progress
[16:32] <nemix> network can see the shared printer now
[16:32] <nemix> neither one prints
[16:32] <nemix> but from windows the print job shows as completed job
[16:32] <nemix> just no print
[16:32] <nemix> did make noise though
[16:32] <nemix> osx just doesnt do anything on print command
[16:32] <nemix> bit at least they see the damn printer now
[16:43] <geirha> nemix: There might be a fat defrag tool for linux, but I don't know what it's/they are called in such a case.
[16:46] <nemix> i'm playing with an old box
[16:46] <nemix> not even sure how much ram is in there
[16:47] <nemix> is there a like system profile where it shows you processor and ram?
[16:48] <Jon_Monreal> nemix: Try Applications>System Tools>System Profiler and Benchmark
[17:04] <pointydrip> hello I just upgraded to 10.04 and must use the command:/$ metacity --replace
[17:05] <pointydrip> in order for desktop to be functional, how do I make this persistant?
[17:06] <pointydrip> also for some reason the window controls are on the wrong side (close, minimize maximize)
[17:10] <Jon_Monreal> pointydrip: Hello again
[17:11] <pointydrip> okay, forget that last part I see now it is a new design feature, metacity still does not run correctly on startup
[17:11] <pointydrip> hi jon_monreal, having finish my work I'm back to tinkering with metacity
[17:11] <geirha> pointydrip: System -> Preferences -> Appearance -> [Visual Effects] -> (*) None
[17:12] <pointydrip> yes I have that setting
[17:14] <Jon_Monreal> pointydrip: Go to a terminal and type gconf-editor and press enter
[17:14] <pointydrip> already there
[17:15] <Jon_Monreal> Then navigate to destkop>gnome>applications>window_manager
[17:16] <pointydrip> okay
[17:16] <Jon_Monreal> Ah, that appears to be deprecated
[17:16] <pointydrip> no I have it
[17:17] <Jon_Monreal> The key has been deprecated
[17:17] <pointydrip> oh
[17:19] <Jon_Monreal> Let's see
[17:20] <geirha> pointydrip: The setting you set in appearance properties will only be saved if you exit gnome cleanly
[17:23] <pointydrip> ....actually I just left the command:/$ metacity --replace    sit in the terminal for a while and it eventually returned to the command line
[17:23] <pointydrip> i just rebooted  and everything works fine
[17:24] <pointydrip> for future reference how do i leave gnome cleanly? (through my own will)
[17:26] <geirha> Choose logout, reboot, shutdown from the menu in the upper-right corner
[17:26] <geirha> Or you can use the gnome-session-save command from a terminal
[17:28] <pointydrip> but in the case of the command:/$ metacity --replace  still running...is that all I had to do, just wait for a while until it finished? then reboot normally
[17:28] <Jon_Monreal> geirha, pointydrip: This was due to a previous problem with X not starting that we worked on previously. The problem that came up was that the windows were without borders (and effects were not enabled)
[17:29] <Jon_Monreal> pointydrip: Yes, that should work.
[17:30] <pointydrip> 3rd reboot now...works great
[17:31] <Jon_Monreal> pointydrip: Are you still planning on trying to install those Nvidia drivers?
[17:31] <pointydrip> i looked at envy in the software center and it said its not support for amd64
[17:33] <Jon_Monreal> pointydrip: I didn't think it was in the software center
[17:35] <pointydrip> that's strange, there were 3 packages under envyng search a moment ago, all of which said were not compatible with amd64, now i search for them and theres nothing
[17:36] <pointydrip> anyways a problem exists now that I can't open firefox, I would install envy as soon as I can figure this out
[17:36] <Jon_Monreal> pointydrip: I wonder if they were removed from the repos or something
[17:36] <pointydrip> thats what I think,
[17:37] <Jon_Monreal> pointydrip: With EnvyNG DKMS even installs the drivers when you update your kernel, so you don't have to do anything
[17:37] <pointydrip> sweet
[17:38] <Jon_Monreal> pointydrip: Re Firefox: go to a terminal and type firefox --debug
[17:40] <pointydrip> it's still working...is libmoon the package for silverlight? it mentions that when i run from terminal then i get seg fault
[17:40] <pointydrip> I also have 2 profiles for running in seperate x screens
[17:40] <pointydrip> i have a feeling that did not transfer well to 10'04
[17:41] <pointydrip> 2 firefox profiles that is
[17:41] <Jon_Monreal> pointydrip: Yes, Moonlight I believe
[17:41] <Jon_Monreal> pointydrip: Bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/moon/+bug/538796
[17:41] <Jon_Monreal> pointydrip: You might want to indicate that the bug affects you if you have a Launchpad account
[17:44] <Jon_Monreal> pointydrip: Looks like, for some reason that status of the EnvyNG package is listed as "Deleted" on Launchpad
[17:46] <pointydrip> yep, getting rid of libmoon moonlight-plugin-core moonlight-plugin-mozilla makes firefox run fine
[17:48] <Jon_Monreal> pointydrip: Looks like envyng was replaced with jockey
[17:49] <Jon_Monreal> pointydrip: Which is simply System>Administration>Hardware Drivers.
[17:50] <pointydrip> jockey was standard pre-lucid was it not?
[17:50] <pointydrip> at least in karmic and jaunty, but it never worked for me until lucid
[17:51] <Jon_Monreal> pointydrip: Yeah, it's been standard, but EnvyNG was still an option.
[17:53] <Jon_Monreal1> pointydrip: Yeah, I had jockey fail on me in a previous release. Does it show your driver?
[17:53] <pointydrip> yes as well as the alternatives I was trying yesterday
[17:54] <Jon_Monreal1> pointydrip: Did you already try jockey?
[17:55] <pointydrip> until now the jockey drivers always failed and I alsways had to get the most current from nvidia.com,
[17:55] <Jon_Monreal1> pointydrip: You mean with different systems?
[17:55] <pointydrip> no with this one
[17:56] <Jon_Monreal1> pointydrip: Aww snap.
[17:57] <pointydrip1> I read in lucid notes that there is increase nvidia drivers support through jockey, but there is subsequently less support on the nvidia website
[17:58] <Jon_Monreal1> pointydrip1: You could still try the textual EnvyNG installer if you want to.
[17:59] <pointydrip1> you think it's better than jockey?
[17:59] <Jon_Monreal1> I've had more success with it in the past
[17:59] <Jon_Monreal1> But YMMV of course.
[18:00] <Jon_Monreal1> Binaries are still available at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/amd64/envyng-core/2.0.1ubuntu3
[18:00] <pointydrip1> I was eventually planning on trying both nvidia/ati simultaneously I suppose this would help with things
[18:01] <Jon_Monreal1> pointydrip1: I've never heard of that resulting in anything great lol
[18:01] <pointydrip1> story of my life...
[18:02] <Jon_Monreal1> pointydrip1: That is, you won't get Crossfire/SLI or anything like that
[18:02] <Jon_Monreal1> pointydrip1: Even if you had Windows
[18:02] <pointydrip1> of course, it's more for testing convenience
[18:03] <Jon_Monreal1> pointydrip1: That's the only reason I've ever seen for it being done, but I've only ever seen it done with a Mac Pro
[18:06] <pointydrip1> Jon_Monreal: well i'll be sure to post my results should I have any kind of success, that is if I can even squeeze anything next to the gtx 280
[18:06] <Jon_Monreal> If you get envyng-core, you have to run it with with envyng at the terminal
[18:07] <Jon_Monreal> pointydrip1: Yeah, that could be a bit difficult lol
[18:10] <Jon_Monreal> pointydrip1: I'm gonna go for a couple mins, if you need help maybe someone else can assist you. Otherwise, I'll be back in a few.
[18:11] <pointydrip1> I should be okay, thanks for the help
[18:54] <frank1_> My last ipod classic 80gb was a simple plug and play device with rhythembox. Now my newish 120gb classic doesent seem to transfer music. any ideas?
[19:03] <LzrdKing> cuz apple hates ubuntu users
[19:08] <frank1_> well maybe but my 80 gb works fine
[19:08] <LzrdKing> they didn't hate ubuntu users back then
[19:09] <frank1_> so basically this new ipod is a brick to me?
[19:10] <pedro3005> not all is lost
[19:11] <pedro3005> does it have some sort of model number?
[19:12] <frank1_> mod number a1238
[19:13] <frank1_> it shows up in rhythmbox just like my 80 and transfers fine but with i disconect the ipoop says theres no music
[19:14] <pedro3005> frank1_, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4849761&postcount=214
[19:17] <frank1_> ugg
[19:17] <frank1_> i have a bad feeling about this lol
[19:17] <frank1_> i dont even wanna use amarok. it doesent even detect my music library
[19:19] <pedro3005> :/
[19:20] <frank1_> rhythembox was nice and easy
[19:21] <frank1_> amarok has always given me problems
[19:24] <frank1_> how easy is it to just run wine on 9.10
[19:29] <geirha> Just as easy as in 9.04 ;P
[19:30] <frank1_> well ive never used it before
[19:30] <geirha> Install the wine or wine2 package, then right-click an .exe file in nautilus and choose run with wine
[19:30] <geirha> Or maybe it's open with
[19:30] <frank1_> and i can run itunes with wine?
[19:30] <geirha> I doubt it
[19:31] <frank1_> alright than
[19:31] <frank1_> fuckin wonderfull
[19:31] <pedro3005> wine2?! didn't hear the news
[19:31] <Jon_Monreal> frank1_: You could run iTunes in a virtual machine if you have a copy of Windows
[19:31] <geirha> You go to appdb.winehq.org and search for a windows app, then you can see how well it works with wine.  http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1347
[19:32] <frank1_> i do have a copy of windows. i hate windows. and i hate itunes. i just want rhythembox to work with my 120
[19:32] <geirha> bronze and silver means parts of it will work, but likely not satisfactory. You generally want gold or platinum rating
[19:33] <frank1_> i just traded my 80gb for  a 120gb thinking that it would work as seemless as befopre
[19:33] <geirha> pedro3005: I probably meant wine1.2 :)
[19:33] <Jon_Monreal> frank1_: Things don't always work seamlessly with proprietary hardware
[19:34] <pedro3005> geirha, oh :P I was looking at their homepage, very confused
[19:34] <Jon_Monreal> frank1_: Installing a VM is surprisingly easy. Here's a tutorial, if you need one: http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=154619&d=1272501191
[19:35] <geirha> One of the new things with 10.04 though was that ipods was supposed to work much better...
[19:36] <frank1_> if thats the case ill just upgrade
[19:36] <frank1_> just didnt want to deal with the downtime if it wasnt gunna fix the problwm
[19:38] <frank1_> john: got another link? that one wont work cuz im not logged in
[19:38] <geirha> frank1_: Well, I've just read that somewhere. Don't know if it will fix your problem. I stay away from half-eaten apple products
[19:39] <geirha> frank1_: A safer approach is to download the liveCD, and try to sync from the live session.
[19:39] <frank1_> geirha: yea me to but my zune 80 died and i got the ipoop 80gb for 60bucks
[19:40] <frank1_> and flash devices just arent offering enough storage yet. i cant downgrade
[19:40] <frank1_> so alas, i have to make due with what i got
[19:40] <frank1_> a half eaten rotten apple
[19:45] <geirha> http://www.osnews.com/story/22942/Ubuntu_10_04_To_Support_iPhone_iPod_Touch_
[19:45] <geirha> It certainly sounds promising
[20:29] <AJH101> Drubin: Hello I gave up trying to log in and have decided to reinstall. First of course I need to copy some files from my /home folder. How can I change permissions? Have tried right-clicking but I am not allowed access. Any ideas?
[20:32] <geirha> AJH101: Are you in a live session?
[20:32] <AJH101> Right now? Yes
[20:32] <geirha> Alt+F2: gksudo nautilus
[20:33] <AJH101> and then?
[20:33] <geirha> That'll give you a nautilus window with root privileges. Should have full access to all files
[20:33] <AJH101> ok will try thanks
[20:34] <AJH101> Looking great. Thanks
[20:36] <geirha> If you want to drag and drop files, you need to run that again so you have two nautilus windows running as root.
[20:37] <AJH101> I was planning to cut and paste - will i need two windows that way too?
[20:37] <geirha> At least the one you drag files to must be running as root, because that window is the one that initiates the transfer, and need the read access.
[20:37] <geirha> Ah, no, with copy/paste you can do with one :)
[20:37] <AJH101> Always like the simple life... :-)
[20:53] <Burky> My question is this
[20:53] <ddecator> yes?
[20:54] <Burky> I am a new user to Ubuntu, and it is great, but I can't get my linksys wireless card to work
[20:54] <ddecator> have you checked to see if there is a proprietary driver for it?
[20:56] <Burky> I downloaded the ndiswrapper tried to install it and got the error message "Installation of the ndiswrapper-source failed" "Ignoring package maybe you need to ass something to sources, maybe the contrib and non-free archives" Did I do something wrong?
[20:56] <Burky> ADD not ass sry
[20:57] <ddecator> try going to System > Administration > Hardware Drivers and see if anything shows up for your wireless card (i'm not sure if linksys has proprietary drivers or not)
[21:00] <Burky> I was told by linksys that they don't support linux
[21:01] <Burky> Just checked and have no proprietary drivers on the system
[21:02] <ddecator> hm, alright. do any networks show up in the network manager, or does it not even detect anything?
[21:03] <Burky> no detection of anything
[21:03] <Burky> the only one I can use is my wired connection
[21:03] <ddecator> and this happens even after a reboot?
[21:05] <Burky> Here's the situation.  I was given a laptop by a friend that was running windows. It had way too much security crap on it so I wiped it and installed Ubuntu. So nothing was ever installed in the first place
[21:07] <ddecator> i'm assuming you installed Ubuntu 10.04?
[21:08] <Burky> just  upgraded from9 yesterday
[21:09] <ddecator> ah, ok. did the wireless card work on 9.10?
[21:09] <Burky> never tried it
[21:10] <Burky> getting ready for vacation, and want to check mail while i'm there
[21:13] <ddecator> alright, well one thing you can try is running 'sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' in a terminal to make sure everything is up-to-date just in case it's due to an outdated package. i know there was a kernel update recently which could help
[21:14] <Burky> I will try that thanks. I need to switch computers will you be here for a few more minutes?
[21:14] <ddecator> definitely =)
[21:15] <Burky> Thanks bbs
[22:04] <Burky> ddecatur, you still here?
[22:04] <ddecator> Burky: yes
[22:06] <Burky> Nice. Figured out how to get the driver installed, now just to see if it will connect.  Only prob is  don't know if there are any networks to connect to
[22:07] <ddecator> my experience has been that, even if i don't think there are networks, there are a few people randomly have setup somewhere nearby, haha
[22:07] <ddecator> and the second half of that sentence made little sense..
[22:14] <Burky> I tend to type behind my thought process
[22:18] <ddecator> same, haha
[22:18] <ddecator> have you had a chance to test it yet?
[23:07] <th5th> evening all
[23:08] <ddecator> hey th5th
[23:08] <th5th> could someone help me with an install problem?
[23:09] <ddecator> we can try =)
[23:09] <th5th> trying to install a command line system (to start with) on a Samsung NB30 netbook. Installation appears to go fine, but when I reboot afterwards I am left with a blinking cursor...
[23:12] <Chesamo> What are you using to install?
[23:12] <Chesamo> Which disc, I mean
[23:12] <th5th> alternate 386 iso burnt onto usb with unetbootin
[23:13] <ddecator> i keep hearing about this =\
[23:13] <Chesamo> I haven't used that in a long time...
[23:13] <th5th> ...that bad huh? :P
[23:13] <Chesamo> Apparently
[23:13] <ibuclaw> yep, that bad
[23:13] <ibuclaw> what are we talking about?
[23:14] <th5th> trying to install a command line system (to start with) on a Samsung NB30 netbook. Installation appears to go fine, but when I reboot afterwards I am left with a blinking cursor...
[23:14] <ibuclaw> Samsung Netbooks <3
[23:14] <ibuclaw> th5th, yours come with a trapdoor to the RAM modules?
[23:14] <th5th> yes
[23:15] <ibuclaw> the greatest idea ever IMO
[23:15] <ibuclaw> I bought my N110 with a 4GB SoDIMM
[23:15] <ddecator> well that topic shifted pretty quickly =p
[23:15] <ibuclaw> ddecator, I'm a professional procrastinator, what can I say? =)
[23:16] <ibuclaw> th5th, when you say a command-line system, you mean a minimal installation?
[23:17] <th5th> yeah. it's called command line installation on the menu.
[23:19] <th5th> any ideas? i can get to a shell on the / partition with rescue mode if that will be useful...
[23:20] <Chesamo> In rescue mode?
[23:20] <Chesamo> Hm....
[23:20] <ddecator> i think this came about with a kernel update...do you have any older kernels you can try booting into?
[23:20] <th5th> no its's a fresh install. netbook arrived yesterday :D
[23:21] <th5th> i suppose i can try doing an install from the 9.10 iso...
[23:27] <ibuclaw> I can not actually see a command-line install, although I'm pretty certain I've come across it before
[23:28] <ibuclaw> th5th, did you use a netboot or alternative iso image?
[23:29] <th5th> alternate iso
[23:29] <th5th> then used unetbootin to boot from usb
[23:29] <th5th> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[23:29] <ibuclaw> I am aware of what unetbootin does
[23:29] <th5th> ok
[23:31] <ibuclaw> th5th, when you boot from the netbook, hold down Left Shift
[23:31] <ibuclaw> does a grub menu appear?
[23:33] <th5th> no nothing
[23:33] <Chesamo> Odd
[23:33] <ibuclaw> th5th, grub probably didn't get installed then
[23:33] <th5th> ok
[23:33] <ibuclaw> hence unbootable system
[23:33] <th5th> makes sense :) what are my options?
[23:34] <ibuclaw> is probably something to do with the conversion of the alternate CD into a USB medium
[23:34] <ibuclaw> iirc - ubuntustudio didn't play well (and that was some 2 years ago when I last looked at it)
[23:35] <ibuclaw> so you can either: 1) get the GUI LiveCD and convert that using unetbootin, as that is tried and tested to work.
[23:35] <ibuclaw> or 2) get the netboot iso - which is a tiny 9MB image that requires an ethernet connection to install
[23:36] <ibuclaw> works perfectly with unetbootin, and offers some extra fun configuration options, such as full disk encryption and LVM.
[23:36] <th5th> that sounds good. i would like to start from the bottom up with the system if possible. do you have a link to the netboot one? i have not come across it.
[23:37] <ibuclaw> th5th, it's in the repos
[23:37]  * ibuclaw gets archives
[23:37] <Chesamo> Bottom up?
[23:37]  * Chesamo perks up
[23:37] <ibuclaw> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[23:38] <th5th> mini.iso?
[23:38] <ibuclaw> th5th, you can either get mini.iso and let unetbootin extract it to the pendrive
[23:38] <Chesamo> Yeah
[23:38] <ibuclaw> or download boot.img.gz
[23:38] <ibuclaw> gunzip boot.img.gz
[23:39] <ibuclaw> and dd if=boot.img of=/dev/sdX
[23:39] <ibuclaw> the primer probably being the easier option =)
[23:39] <th5th> going with mini.iso
[23:40] <th5th> gotta transfer the ethernet cable to the netbook now. back soon (hopefully ;) )!
[23:40] <ibuclaw> th5th, I wrote a guide a while back http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1262546
[23:40] <ibuclaw> or not =)
[23:44] <UbuntuBoy> Hi
[23:44] <UbuntuBoy> I can't change language in lynx my Interface Language it's a fusion between french and english
[23:45] <geirha> That means it's not fully translated into french
[23:46] <UbuntuBoy> yes
[23:46] <UbuntuBoy> i remove all english language files but the same problem exist
[23:46] <geirha> Actually, no language has fully translated all Ubuntu programs.
[23:47] <geirha> You can help out by translating the missing parts if you like.
[23:47] <UbuntuBoy> No it's fully translated after the instalation but now it's not
[23:48] <UbuntuBoy> i don't have problem whit Programs But i want the desktop translated in my language
[23:50] <geirha> So you've gone to System -> Administration -> Language support, set french as default, then logged out and back in again?
[23:50] <UbuntuBoy> i do that more than one time i do this always but whitout succes
[23:52] <TJ_D> Hi all
[23:52] <UbuntuBoy> hi man
[23:52] <geirha> Hm. That's odd. You could try #ubuntu-translators , they probably know what could be wrong.
[23:54] <TJ_D> I'm trying to get my ipod earbud/microphone setup to work in Ubuntu, but as far as I can tell no sound is going out/in...If I plug my sound card into my stereo, it plays fine, but if I plug my headphones in I get no sound/recording ability