[00:50]  * genii sips
[00:50]  * h00k toasts
[00:57]  * funkyHat wiggles
[00:58]  * genii sips a bit more while wiggling and toasts h00k
[01:42]  * MrPancake sits on a plate
[06:40] <dholbach> good morning
[08:27] <Jordan_U> kk17 in #ubuntu
[08:29] <Tm_T> I'm on it
[08:29] <Tm_T> Jordan_U: thanks
[08:31] <Jordan_U> Tm_T: Thank you. Is there a good way to get your attention in the future without using !ops in the channel? The "Help! Channel Emergency!" feels like feeding the troll.
[08:32] <Tm_T> Jordan_U: hinting here or using the ops call, those are the methods
[08:33] <Jordan_U> Ok, thanks again.
[10:35] <Tm_T> someone should change +1 topic
[10:35] <Tm_T> it's still saying it's "official lynx discussion"
[10:38] <jussi> Tm_T: its currently invite only...
[10:38] <jussi> ie, not open
[10:38] <Tm_T> still!
[10:39] <jussi> opens at or after UDS.
[10:39] <Tm_T> I know, wouldn't hurt change the topic though, considering there's plenty of people still in
[10:40] <Tm_T> "Channel is currently closed until after UDSM, for Meerkat" or something
[10:41] <jussi> fixored
[10:41] <Tm_T> jussi: thanks sir
[10:49] <Tm_T> hi jrib
[10:50] <jrib> hey Tm_T
[12:37] <IdleOne> I hate people who make stupid remarks and then leave the channel.
[12:38] <bazhang> I marked him in bt
[12:39] <IdleOne> bazhang: just shows me what little chickens they are
[12:39] <bazhang> check the quit message on Ocean in -ot
[12:39] <IdleOne> yeah?
[12:39] <IdleOne> I have seen it before
[12:39] <Tm_T> it's not very friendly
[12:39] <bazhang> thought he was supposed to change it
[12:39] <bazhang> far from it
[12:40] <IdleOne> oh I don't know
[12:40] <IdleOne> I find it kind of amusing in a dark humor sort of way
[12:40] <IdleOne> agree that it is not appropriate.
[12:41] <IdleOne> who did you mark in bt?
[12:41] <bazhang> wasabeh
[12:41] <IdleOne> ahh
[12:42] <IdleOne> ok explain what that means exactly marking?
[12:42] <bazhang> [oCean_] (~Alex@unaffiliated/ocean/x-5251811): Alex is the nasty quit message in -ot
[12:42] <bazhang> its @mark #channel nick comment
[12:43] <nhandler> IdleOne: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/nhandler/OperatorGuide#Adding%20marks
[12:43] <IdleOne> thank you
[12:44] <IdleOne> interesting
[12:45] <IdleOne> so later on if you do a @bansearch wasabeh that mark will show up
[12:45] <bazhang> if he's online
[12:48] <IdleOne> ok so how is a @mark useful?
[12:49] <IdleOne> does the bot msg the person who set the mark when that user/nick comes back online?
[12:49] <Tm_T> IdleOne: we can mark someones misbehaviour when it's not warranted a ban yet
[12:49] <elky> it puts stuff in the bantracker so that we can check when someone's tripping our trolldar
[12:50] <IdleOne> ok I see, so when we get that "This person is a troll" feeling we can go look at bt
[12:50] <bazhang> some clients have that function independent of the bantracker
[12:50] <bazhang> iirc Konversation did
[12:50] <IdleOne> like a blacklist?
[12:50] <IdleOne> umm watchlist
[12:56] <elky> More like keeping score.
[12:56] <bazhang> any thoughts on banforwarding ocean_ here to change the quit message?
[12:56] <IdleOne> I used to have a really awesome op script back in the day on mirc :/
[12:56] <Tm_T> bazhang: I'd say yes
[12:57] <IdleOne> bazhang: can we really start dictating what people can/can't have has a quit message?
[12:57] <IdleOne> I mean I understand his quit is not nice but it isn't vulgar in any way
[12:57] <IdleOne> s/has/as
[12:58] <bazhang> IdleOne, that one is all about rape. so I'd say it goes against the guidelines, coc, at the very least
[12:58] <IdleOne> ok
[12:58] <IdleOne> I did not even think of it on those terms
[12:58] <IdleOne> :/
[12:58] <Pici> me either :/
[12:58] <elky> the chloroform one?
[12:58] <IdleOne> yeah
[12:58] <bazhang> yep
[12:59] <elky> i get the feeling it's a bitchx one, i could be wrong.
[12:59] <Tm_T> doesn't matter
[12:59] <elky> yeah, but lots of folks use it not knowing it has stuff that awful in it
[13:00] <IdleOne> bitchx had/has some of the worst quit msg's ever
[13:00] <Tm_T> it's default is "I'm too lame to read manual" or something like that, right?
[13:00] <elky> yeah
[13:00] <elky> it randomises by default
[13:00] <IdleOne> yup
[13:00] <elky> oh, the name, yes
[13:01] <Pici> My logs suggest that its not a bitchx quitmsg.
[13:01] <Tm_T> ah, that one
[13:01] <Pici> Unless bitchx's rng is completely broken.
[13:01] <elky> fair enough
[13:02] <Tm_T> but that also doesn't matter, it's inapropriate, whatever the reason off its existance is
[13:02] <Pici> For the record, I personally don't have an issue with it.
[13:03] <Tm_T> I don't like it, and as bazhang noted it suggests something very bad things
[13:03] <elky> Tm_T, it's not about excusing it, it's about approaching the user in a productive manner
[13:03] <Pici> Thats fine, no one said that we all always have to agree.
[13:03] <Tm_T> elky: ah, true
[13:03] <IdleOne> Think about it for a second, would a rapist ask that sort of question?
[13:03] <bazhang> just a suggestion the ops in that channel can do as they see fit.
[13:03] <elky> going "you think rape is funny!" is different to "are you aware that..."
[13:03] <Tm_T> Pici: no, we all have to agree with me (;
[13:04] <elky> IdleOne, yes.
[13:04] <IdleOne> elky: ok. I am going to differ to your judgement on this
[13:04] <elky> IdleOne, you seem to have a fairly narrow definition of 'rapist'
[13:04] <Tm_T> elky: in either case, I would start with the latter
[13:04] <Pici> Tm_T: If you'd like to take them aside, go ahead.
[13:05] <IdleOne> elky: I am not trying to defend the quit message. I just did not think of it in that way until bazhang said it.
[13:05] <Tm_T> Pici: I'm not op there
[13:05] <Pici> o
 Thats fine, no one said that we all always have to agree. <-- actually, i'm pretty sure we're not actually /allowed/ to all agree.
[13:06] <IdleOne> heh
[13:06] <elky> it becomes a conspiracy or something when we do.
[14:00] <eagles0513875> afternoong my fellow ubuntu users
[14:00] <bazhang> hi eagles0513875
[14:00] <eagles0513875> is there any chance i can get my ban on kubuntu-devel lifted as i need to talk to the devs urgently to some serious installation issues i have been having with lucid
[14:01] <eagles0513875> ?
[14:03] <topyli> eagles0513875, installation issues sound more like something you should either get help for in #kubuntu, or report bugs on launchpad
[14:03] <eagles0513875> topyli: i have been trying to get help in kubuntu but from what im seeing or have seen in there is that nobody seems to be having my issues im still trying to trouble shoot the exact caus of the problem
[14:04] <IdleOne> eagles0513875: try #ubuntu
[14:04] <eagles0513875> ok
[14:05] <eagles0513875> IdleOne: so there is no chance getting my kubuntu-devel ban lifted as it has been a number of years since that was put in place
[14:06] <bazhang> eagles0513875, doubtful at this point
[14:06] <eagles0513875> why though :(
[14:06] <eagles0513875> that ban was when i was first starting out using kubuntu and i was eager to help out and was still learning
[14:06] <IdleOne> eagles0513875: if it has been there for that long I don't see it being lifted
[14:06] <eagles0513875> well i had another one for motu which was lifted
[14:08] <eagles0513875> can i ask you guys a kinda offtopic question
[14:08] <eagles0513875> are there daily snapshots of lucid?
[14:08] <IdleOne> ask
[14:08] <IdleOne> lucid is released
[14:08] <bazhang> eagles0513875, how about in #ubuntu-offtopic please
[14:08] <IdleOne> if there is nothing else. Please don't idle here
[14:09] <eagles0513875> ok thanks guys :( /part
[14:09] <bazhang> Jobob is randomly joining and spamming then quitting #xubuntu , #ubuntu , and now #kubuntu
[14:14] <funkyHat> I just had a silly idea for an extra mode that an ircd could have -- like +q but the user can't see they have been muted
[14:14] <funkyHat> Could be useful for some trolls ⡈D
[14:15] <Pici> The heck?  jobob tried to DCC me his kubuntu iso
[14:15] <IdleOne> lol
[14:15] <funkyHat> ⢁|
[14:15] <IdleOne> funkyHat: I don't understand why +q is shown
[14:16] <funkyHat> I don't think changing q to be stealth would be a good move
[14:20] <funkyHat> MenZa: the uptime line on the dahouse stats page makes no sense ⢁|
[14:20] <funkyHat> Oops, wrong channel
[14:48] <alexfpms> hi, how can i hide my ip ?
[14:48] <bazhang> !cloak
[14:49] <alexfpms> yes
[14:49] <bazhang> alexfpms, /join #freenode for help
[14:49] <alexfpms> ok
[14:50] <alexfpms>  /join #freenode
[14:50] <bazhang> without the space
[14:51] <alexfpms> sorry for copy/paste
[14:53] <bazhang> alexfpms, please dont idle here if there is nothing further, thanks
[15:17] <Pici> I know I've mentioned that particular quiet to the -kernel guys before.
[15:23] <MenZa> funkyHat: inorite
[15:29] <Pici> I'm extracting the current banlist and comparing it to what we have in the bantracker.  We have a lot of old stuff in there.
[15:35] <h00k> in the current banlist?
[15:38] <Pici> in #ubuntu
[15:40] <h00k> right, gotcha
[16:07] <bazhang> rgreening, hi
[16:07] <rgreening> hey
[16:08] <bazhang> heh
[16:09] <rgreening> alrighty then... thanks jussi
[16:49] <bazhang> be aware that prebenr was trolling in #xubuntu earlier
[17:37] <persia> There's a query about +1 in -bugs.  I suspect it's independent, but I've advised folks to watch https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick to see when it's not in "Pre-release Freeze".
[17:45]  * mneptok thunders past
[17:47] <jussi> persia: thats about right
[17:48] <persia> That's what I figured, and that it would save folks poking other folks, but that then makes it important that the other folks watch the same thing :)
[17:49] <jussi> :)
[20:04]  * genii slides Pici a yummy cookie
[20:19] <genii> Man. Every time I get back to my computer today there were ops calls.
[22:04] <h00k> jpds: you're quick.
[22:05] <jpds> h00k: Yes.
[23:09] <Bcell> i demand you unban me from ubuntu or i will develop antibodies
[23:16] <jpds> Hmm, antibodies.
[23:17] <persia> Heh.  encourage development by increasing bans: it's a new incentive model :)
[23:18] <jpds> persia: We /must/ change our development model around it.
[23:19] <persia> Dunno.  We'd have to get more IRC ops to maintain bans on everyone we wanted to develop stuff.