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Sarvattwoo baby, this amd z430 proprietary driver makes psb look like a dream - insmod: page allocation failure. order:12, mode:0xd1 02:57
RAOFWhat's the order of an allocation?  I'm vaguely aware that it's something to do with its size?02:58
Sarvattpeople are going to love it when arm netbooks get popular since poulsbo is a nice taste of what everyone using arm has to put up with :)02:58
RAOFAren't we just going to assume that something's put a framebuffer somewhere we can scribble to and just use the super-fast CPU to do all the rendering? :)03:01
SarvattRAOF: tell that to the people complaining about poulsbo :)03:13
Sarvattomapfb looks really nice though, even has KMS now03:14
SarvattRAOF: when are you arriving in brussels?03:16
Sarvattbought a second 10 hour battery for the trip :) then I found out lucid is using ~2 watts more than it was a few months ago03:17
RAOFSunday, early evening.03:17
Sarvattbrightness on minimum and everything disabled and i'm using around 8.8 watts idle, ugh03:18
Sarvattwas down to 6.7 at one point03:19
RAOFYeah, I think it did pick up a bit.03:19
bjsnidershuttleworth says he's going to have the menubar integrated into the panel like on osx. i didn't know that was in the works.03:23
bjsniderin UNR anyway03:24
Sarvattthat GMA600 is odd, looks like its based on the same powervr 535 as poulsbo but its right on the cpu instead of external now, hope it doesn't make its way into netbooks :)03:24
Sarvattosx doesn't have the menu bar in the panel03:25
Sarvattdoes it?03:25
bjsniderit does03:25
Sarvatti thought he was saying it was going to go a step further and put the menu bar in the panel03:26
Sarvattis that a snow leopard thing or something? i'm stuck on 10.5.x because my only mac is a powerpc03:26
bjsniderwhen you o pen a new app, the menu bar does not appear in the top panel?03:26
bjsnideri don't know how to explain that, since it does in every mac i've seen03:28
bjsnidermaybe you've got it all hacked up or something?03:29
bjsnideryou can see in that shot lotus notes has its menu bar int he panel, not in the windows03:31
bjsniderthe active windows does anyway03:31
RAOFMan, windows 7 chrome looks terribly out of place on OS X. :)03:31
Sarvattsheesh, shows how much I use osx, I really dont remember that03:32
Sarvatti hope the whole title bar goes up there, close/maximize/minimize and all03:33
bjsnideri guess it's a gui design philosophy where you have only one location for the menubar no matter what window you're looking at03:33
Sarvatti love maximus and window picker applet on my netbook03:33
Sarvattjust wish i could ditch the title bars on most apps, thats the main reason i use chromium03:34
Sarvattnext pc is going to be a 11.6" 1366x768 for sure, finally starting to feel cramped on this 8.9" 1024x600 after 2 years :D03:35
* RAOF holds off on a “why can't they provide me with a decent screen resolution” rant.03:36
RAOF11.6" is probably a good size, though.03:37
Sarvatti'm addicted to the portability, can fit this thing in a cargo pocket and i spend most of my time online out of the house :)03:38
bjsniderif they turn the resolution way up on a physically small screen, things like window titlebars and images and so forth would end up being too small to be practical03:40
Sarvattyeah 8.9" 1024x600 looks amazing compared to how crappy 15.4" 1280x800 on all my other laptops are, looks sharper than my 24" 1920x1200 screens too03:43
SarvattRAOF: thanks for signing me up for some of the sprints, i'm still trying to work out what to do there03:46
RAOFbjsnider: Which is why 200DPI mobile phone screens suck? :)03:46
RAOFGNOME is already reasonably good at resolution independence, which means that, by and large, the higher the resolution the easier it is to read stuff.03:48
Sarvattok the power problems are because of ondemand now, I'm convinced :)03:54
Sarvattswitched to conservative and my idle power usage dropped from 9.1 to 7.6 watts03:54
bjsniderRAOF, i wuldn't know, because i don't have a mobile phone or any other handheld device03:59
bjsnideri seriously doubt they're 200dpi though03:59
RAOFI think the Nexus One is ~250DPI?03:59
RAOFThey're like 860x480 in 2"04:00
RAOFThey're high DPI displays.04:00
RAOFAnd the sooner we get 300DPI screens on my desktop, the sooner we can stop futzing around with crazy antialiasing schemes.04:01
bjsniderwouldn't that take an enormous amount of power to run?04:01
bjsniderthe sooner we get duterium-powered fusion reactors inside computers, the sooner we won't have to worry about power anymore04:02
RAOFI don't think the pixel-switching hardware takes anything but a fraction of the power of the backlight on LCD displays; that's one reason why LED backlights are such a win.04:02
Bernardo|awaygood morning05:40
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RAOFapw: Yo!08:56
apwRAOF, hi ya08:56
RAOFYou rang, m'lud?08:57
apwRAOF, must have been sometime ago :)  i think i sent you all an email in the end08:57
apwi was thinking though that we need to interlock between graphics and kernel a bit more regularly while we clean up KMS08:58
RAOFWe'll be able to cover some of that ground in the X/kernel “video bugs in the KMS world” session I've signed you for :)08:59
RAOFGah.  Signed you up for!09:00
RAOFThe video drivers do try to work against arbitrary kernel versions (with the exception of nouveau), but that doesn't necessarily work :)09:02
apwheh indeed :)  they have made the world a complex place for us09:03
RAOFAh!  *There's* your mail; hiding in all the bugmail evolution is struggling to filter!09:22
Ngis failsafe X stuff still supposed to work? Booting a lucid machine without a monitor seems to lead to X not starting09:31
RAOFIn an ideal world that *should* work, but I think it doesn't (may be driver dependent, though); X bails if there's nothing to display on.  There's a patch on the xorg ML to make it work better.09:43
Sarvattricotz: huh, why are the opengles specs even building without --enable-gles1 and --enable-gles2, they're supposed to default to no16:51
Dr_JakobSarvatt: kick krh in #dri-devel16:51
Sarvattprobably already been talked about, gotta read the scrollback :) just saw python-libxml2 was required to build mesa now16:52
Dr_Jakobnot that I know about.16:53
ricotzSarvatt, hi, yeah i added this dep16:57
Sarvattricotz: did you try explicitly disabling gles1 and gles2 instead by any chance?17:02
ricotzSarvatt, no17:03
Sarvattdarn, still cant copy everything to maverick17:23
Sarvattgot a llvmpipe enabled mesa here waiting to build, want to be sure its right before pushing the changes to git - https://launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/xorg-testing/+build/171930917:25
bjsniderSarvatt, when is the updated nvidia blob going to be in lucid?18:11
Sarvattno idea, hopefully not never :)18:13
furananyone know where psb progress is?18:16
brycehcheck the toilet18:18
furanherp derp18:18
tseliotbryceh: lol18:25
brycehheya tseliot18:26
tseliotbjsnider: I think it would be something for the x-updates ppa, unless the new nvidia driver fixes some bugs which are worth an SRU18:27
outlaw45should'nt xf86Resources.h be profided by xserver-xorg-dev18:28
bjsniderit adds support for a new line of chips that are being released this month18:28
Sarvatttseliot: yeah 195.36.16 doesn't support the whole new generation of GPU's just released18:29
jcristauoutlaw45: not anymore18:30
jcristauRAC has been removed18:30
outlaw45@jcristau: pretty much read the same in a bug report18:31
outlaw45any workaround?18:31
tseliotSarvatt: I think it's common practice not to do SRUs to update nvidia drivers unless they fix bugs. I don't think the lack of support for new models is a bug. It would be worth asking the desktop team about this though18:31
lucazade@outlaw45 how can i help? any news?18:33
jcristauoutlaw45: don't include it.18:33
jcristauoutlaw45: and don't call the functions that used to be declared there18:33
outlaw45@lucazade: can you build xserver-xorg-video-psb?18:33
lucazadegoing to try it..18:33
outlaw45Bernardo said on the forum he was able to build them, but I get errors..18:34
outlaw45@jcristau: I'm not a C programmer so not including and solving bugs is pretty hard for me18:34
jcristauthen learn C or get someone else to fix it..18:35
outlaw45am a Java programmer and C and especially X drivers are a completely different story..18:35
Sarvattoutlaw45: you aren't applying xorg-x11-drv-psb-0.31.0-xserver17.patch then18:35
brycehSarvatt, stick -nvidia updates in x-updates18:36
Sarvattbryceh: I have been! :D18:36
outlaw45@Sarvatt: you're probably right, I'll clean up.. ;)18:37
brycehSarvatt, perfect18:37
lucazadeoutlaw45: still have 'libdrm not found' building xserver-xorg-video-psb19:00
outlaw45you have to symlink /lib/pkgconfig/libdrm.pc to /lib/pkgconfig/libdrm.pc19:03
outlaw45sorry last path is /usr/lib/pkgconfig19:03
lucazadeln -s /lib/pkgconfig/libdrm.pc /usr/lib/pkgconfig19:04
Sarvattboo - /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lffi19:09
lucazadexorg-server-psb succesfully built (also dbg package)19:09
lucazadei'll try xpsb-glx19:09
Sarvatti guess llvm-dev isn't enough for llvmpipe, was going by what nano src/gallium/drivers/llvmpipe/README said19:11
Sarvatterr minus the nano :D19:11
outlaw45@lucazade: installed everything and the result's the same19:14
lucazadeX always crash?19:15
outlaw45looked a minute at Xorg.log but nothing caught my eye,19:15
outlaw45no, am able to get into gdm19:15
outlaw45and that's stable, but it crashes if you login19:15
outlaw45but have to hook my keyboard to the tablet19:16
outlaw45back in a min..19:16
federico1dum de dum19:16
federico1does chase douglas hang around here?19:17
federico1he has a pretty interesting patch in bgo#610482 but I have some questions19:17
brycehfederico1, try #ubuntu-kernel maybe19:23
federico1bryceh: cool, thanks19:23
lucazadeoutlaw45: Xorg.0.log looks like normal19:56
lucazadeis there any debug log?19:56
outlaw45I have a backtrace in Xorg.0.log.old19:56
outlaw45but can't find anything else19:57
lucazadeok seen19:57
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BernardoI see that you guys haven't made much progress also19:59
Bernardoas anyone tried to remove the libGL redirections?20:00
outlaw45the dpkg --divert you posted on the forum?20:00
BernardoI'll try if it makes any difference20:01
Bernardoyes, even though I posted it for karmic20:01
Bernardowe are building libGL in the lucid package20:01
outlaw45I tried it after building lbdrm package20:02
outlaw45but I didn't have any .xlibmesa files20:02
Bernardothe redirection is done by xpsb-glx, so until you install it you won't have any .xlibmesa files20:03
BernardoI'm trying to change xpsb-glx now to generate debug packages also20:04
outlaw45I rebuild and installed libdrm, xpsb and psb driver20:04
Bernardoso we can get anything valid out of the backtrace20:04
outlaw45but /usr/lib/psb/ is empty20:04
lucazadehere too20:05
outlaw450: /usr/bin/X (xorg_backtrace+0x3b) [0x80e937b]20:05
outlaw451: /usr/bin/X (0x8048000+0x61c7d) [0x80a9c7d]20:05
outlaw452: (vdso) (__kernel_rt_sigreturn+0x0) [0xdcc410]20:05
outlaw453: /usr/lib/libpixman-1.so.0 (0x6c8000+0x4cf10) [0x714f10]20:05
outlaw454: /usr/lib/libpixman-1.so.0 (0x6c8000+0x147e3) [0x6dc7e3]20:05
outlaw455: /usr/lib/libpixman-1.so.0 (pixman_blt+0x78) [0x7021e8]20:05
outlaw456: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libfb.so (fbCopyNtoN+0x24d) [0xba905d]20:05
outlaw457: /usr/bin/X (miCopyRegion+0x19e) [0x819ca5e]20:05
outlaw458: /usr/bin/X (miDoCopy+0x44d) [0x819cffd]20:05
outlaw459: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libfb.so (fbCopyArea+0x78) [0xba85c8]20:05
outlaw4510: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libexa.so (0xc8d000+0xed90) [0xc9bd90]20:05
outlaw4511: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libexa.so (0xc8d000+0x95c6) [0xc965c6]20:05
outlaw4512: /usr/bin/X (miCopyRegion+0x19e) [0x819ca5e]20:05
outlaw4513: /usr/bin/X (miDoCopy+0x44d) [0x819cffd]20:05
outlaw4514: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libexa.so (0xc8d000+0x7a4a) [0xc94a4a]20:05
outlaw4515: /usr/bin/X (0x8048000+0xda9c3) [0x81229c3]20:05
outlaw4516: /usr/bin/X (0x8048000+0x28df5) [0x8070df5]20:05
outlaw4517: /usr/bin/X (0x8048000+0x2a477) [0x8072477]20:05
outlaw4518: /usr/bin/X (0x8048000+0x1ed7a) [0x8066d7a]20:05
outlaw4519: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 (__libc_start_main+0xe6) [0x74ebd6]20:05
outlaw4520: /usr/bin/X (0x8048000+0x1e961) [0x8066961]20:05
outlaw45Segmentation fault at address 0x9fc20:05
outlaw45Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault). Server aborting20:06
outlaw45got that backtrace in Xorg.0.log.olg20:06
lucazademine backtrace is similar20:06
lucazadeapplied divert.. same crashes20:08
lucazadebut /usr/lib/psb/ is empty and xpsb-glx is installed20:09
Bernardostrange, I have those filled, and the redirection is there20:10
lucazadeis your a clean install of lucid or upgrade?20:10
BernardoI'm trying now to get it to build debug packages20:11
lucazademm strange20:11
lucazadei could try installing your xpsb-glx file?20:11
Bernardoone sec20:11
* Bernardo has to find how to send files in kvirc...20:12
outlaw45(EE) PSB(0): First SDVO output reported failure to sync or input is not trainded!!!(EE) PSB(0): First SDVO output reported failure to sync or input is not trainded!!!20:13
outlaw45oops.. (EE) PSB(0): First SDVO output reported failure to sync or input is not trainded!!!20:13
Bernardooutlaw45: I get that sometimes even in karmic20:13
Bernardoreboot and try again20:13
lucazademe too20:13
outlaw45X starts even with that error20:14
lucazadeBernardo file transfer died.. don't know y20:15
BernardoI'll start again now, might be my firewall20:18
lucazadei see file request.. but transfer doesn't start (maybe because im on pidgin irc)20:18
lucazadecould you mail it to me?20:20
Bernardoyep, I was just asking your email address in private20:20
Bernardodid you get it?20:28
lucazadeyes yes20:28
outlaw45have to go.. I'll check the forum for your progress..20:29
lucazadeok see u20:29
bjsnidernice posts on phoronix today libv20:30
lucazade/usr/lib/psb still empty20:31
Bernardolucazade: that is strange20:43
Bernardothat is the exact package I installed here20:43
Bernardoand it did the redirection20:43
lucazadei've no idea why is different here20:44
lucazadeBernardo: reisntalling  psb-kernel-source i get 2 named psb.ko in /lib/modules/2.6.3120:46
lucazadeand also 2 drm-psb.ko20:46
lucazadein /lib/modules/2.6.31 during dkms building20:50
lucazadegot a kernel panic!20:50
BernardoI know we need to clean the build process as it is trying to install in /lib/modules/<version>/extra20:53
Bernardobut never had a kernel panic in dkms20:54
lucazadei was playing modprobing psb and drm_psb by hand and startx caused a kernel panic20:55
BernardoI've finished rebuilding xpsb-glx20:59
Bernardowith debug symbols20:59
lucazadehope thius will help21:00
Bernardoinstalled, rebooting the netbook21:00
Bernardoin kde4, waiting for it to crash21:10
Bernardoand it won't... :)21:14
Bernardonow I want it to crash, and it won't21:14
lucazadehehe better21:15
Sarvattjcristau: dri2.proto isn't getting installed with xtrace, is it just a matter of adding dri2.proto to dist_pkgdata_DATA in Makefile.am?21:16
Bernardoreally, it won't crash. What is wrong with the damn drivers?21:16
Bernardolucazade: I'm sending you now the latest attempt21:16
lucazadeonly xpsb? could you send me all the packages updated?21:17
Bernardosure, I'll up them on svn again21:19
jcristauSarvatt: ah probably21:20
Bernardook, finally crashed21:20
Sarvatterr Makefile.in sorry21:20
Bernardowith a ls in a console21:20
jcristauSarvatt: fixed21:22
Bernardook, ls crashes it regularly21:23
lucazadea simple ls...21:23
Sarvatt\o/ thanks again for doing that21:23
Sarvattboo, even more now :D robert@asuka{~}:xtrace -D :5 > dri2.xtrace21:28
SarvattUnable to find 'genericevents.proto' in search path!21:28
lucazadeBernardo trying debug debs21:28
Sarvattgenericevents.proto is the last one, works adding that one too21:30
Bernardolucazade: I'm also installing debug for libpixman-1-021:31
Sarvattjcristau: looks to be working good here, you rock :)  http://sarvatt.com/downloads/glxgears.xtrace.txt21:32
Bernardothe backtrace is becomming more detailed21:32
jcristauSarvatt: fixed again..21:32
lucazadelooks like there is some issue with icons, in gdm and in desktop (before it crash)21:33
lucazadenot able to load icons21:34
BernardoI'm also installing xserver-xorg-core-dbg21:34
Bernardoin kde it loads most of them21:35
Bernardobut they are svg21:35
lucazadepng are broken21:35
lucazadenotify osd uses svg and it works21:35
lucazadelibpixman is about icons?21:37
BernardoDescription: pixel-manipulation library for X and cairo21:38
Bernardoso not directly, but maybe related21:38
Bernardoand now it is refusing to crash again... Adding debug seems to delay the crash21:39
lucazadehere (on gnome crash the same as before)21:39
Bernardook, seems to be in miDoCopy in X, which then calls libexa21:43
Bernardounfortunately, even installing xserver-xorg-core-dbg doesn't add detail to that so21:45
lucazadewas trying to disable aiglx and composite21:46
lucazadeBernardo what else can we do?21:48
Bernardogdb, add debug to psb, lets go hunting needles in a haystack21:50
Bernardoat least we now it is inside fbCopyArea21:51
Bernardoso we check routines in the psb driver that might be related to copying bitmaps to/from the framebuffer21:52
lucazaderight... i bet on pitmaps21:52
lucazadeBernardo: i'm going out to make my brain get fresh air.. i'll back in a couple of hour.. i'll look here or on the forum for any news21:53
BernardoI'll also leave soon, maybe someone will have an idea21:54
lucazadeok see you soon21:54
lucazadegood night21:55
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Sarvattwell thats something I didn't expect, quadrapassel actually works with i915 gallium and not mesa classic :D hasn't worked since upgrading xorg-edgers to xserver 1.822:07
Sarvattnot sure what to do with the libgl1-mesa-dri-gallium stuff, aiglx expects things to be in /usr/lib/dri and doesn't respect --with-dri-searchpath paths22:10
Sarvattneed to figure out what else llvmpipe needs too22:13
Sarvattg++  -L/usr/lib/llvm/lib  -lpthread -lffi -ldl -lm  lp_test_format.o lp_test_main.o -o lp_test_format -Wl,--start-group   -lX11 -lXext -lXxf86vm -lXdamage -lXfixes   -ldrm   -lm -lpthread -ldl -L../../auxiliary/ -lgallium libllvmpipe.a -lLLVMBitWriter -lLLVMX86CodeGen -lLLVMX86Info -lLLVMSelectionDAG -lLLVMAsmPrinter -lLLVMInterpreter -lLLVMJIT -lLLVMExecutionEngine -lLLVMCodeGen -lLLVMScalarOpts -lLLVMInstCombine -lLLVMTransformUtils -lLLVMipa 22:13
Sarvatt-lLLVMAnalysis -lLLVMTarget -lLLVMMC -lLLVMCore -lLLVMSupport -lLLVMSystem -L/usr/lib/llvm/lib -lstdc++ -Wl,--end-group22:13
Sarvatt/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lffi22:13
Sarvattduh, libffi-dev :D22:20
bdmurrayDuring Lucid's development my wacom device lost some evdev properties like axis inversion and axes swap.23:13
bdmurrayIs there a particular package I should try reverting or a patch that might help?23:14
jcristauif it's using wacom it won't have evdev properties23:19
bdmurrayjcristau: it used to during Lucid's development that was a mistake then?23:20
Sarvattbdmurray: you want to do it through xsetwacom23:21
Sarvattsomething like - http://www.uluga.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=144792523:21
Sarvattif was using evdev instead of wacom for a short period when there was no xf86-input-wacom that worked with xserver 1.7 yeah23:22
bdmurraySarvatt: sweet, that looks like what I was doing23:23
Sarvattyeah I remembered seeing your blog post and wondering what comic reader you were using :)23:24
bdmurrayI was using qcomicbook but I'm trying out comix now23:24
* Sarvatt is a diehard comix fan23:25
bdmurrayI ran into a bug with it recently though23:25
Sarvattnot rendering bmp's?23:25
bdmurrayno, page ordering for multi-page scans23:25
Sarvattah yeah thats pretty much fixed in svn too23:26
Sarvatti noticed that with some naming schemes people used too but haven't had a problem with it since i built it last in october23:26
bdmurrayand that's a later version than is packaged I take it?23:27
Sarvattyep but it's python, dead simple to install. i think i might have packaged it actually, lets see23:27
bdmurrayright, I forgot it was python23:28
Sarvattcomix is by far the most used program here, I'm a manga addict :) looking at the revision log it might not be fixed though and I just remembered I've had a few volumes i've had to manually extract first to view them right recently23:31
bdmurrayhere is the upstream issue I found23:31
ubottuError: Sourceforge bug 2456807 not found23:32
Sarvattuploaded 4.0.5 here but it'll take awhile to build - https://edge.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/ppa23:37
Sarvattoh yuck that stinks23:37
Sarvattpeople really name things that way?23:38
bdmurrayso it seems23:38
Sarvattthey must all use cdisplay on windows where it actually works with that naming scheme :)23:38
bdmurrayI thought maybe one could make a list of page numbers and if the differnce between items was greater than 2...23:39
Sarvattdid you see the comments?23:41
bdmurrayyes, the last one?23:42
Sarvattyeah, that would be really annoying if you have a lot of archives like that :(23:43
bdmurrayusing the editing dialog would be spoilerful too23:43
bdmurrayso bug 570523 should be invalid then?23:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 570523 in xinput "several evdev properties went missing" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57052323:44
Sarvattyep, closed it with an explanation, the evdev properties were only there until mid feb. or so until xf86-input-wacom started working for your tablet23:48
Sarvattyou could use them now if you wanted to ditch wacom for evdev again23:48
Sarvattbdmurray: have you seen https://edge.launchpad.net/~thjaeger/+archive/tabletpc/+sourcepub/1076480/+listing-archive-extra ?23:54
Sarvattautomatically rotates the tablet when the display is rotated23:55
bdmurrayI'll have to play with that then23:56
bdmurrayDo you know the right way to turn on "Synaptics Palm Detection" regularly?23:56
SarvattOption "PalmDetect" "1" in xorg.conf23:57
Sarvattor synclient PalmDetect=1?23:58
Sarvattdon't know what you mean by regularly23:58
bdmurrayfor every boot23:58

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