[02:59] <CaponeBH> Hey guys, how are you? Im using Ubuntu Studio 9.10, do you recomend me to change to 10.04? Any big difference?
[02:59] <holstein> hey CaponeBH
[02:59] <holstein> if it aint broke right ?
[02:59] <holstein> nah, what do you do mostly?
[03:01] <holstein> audio? video?
[03:01] <holstein> i think its a good idea to update to an LTS version for longevity if nothing else
[03:02] <CaponeBH> I use for audio
[03:02] <holstein> and so far, the upgrades have been reported to be working well
[03:02] <CaponeBH> sorry for taking so long to answer
[03:02] <holstein> no worries
[03:03] <CaponeBH> nice, so i will download it
[03:03] <CaponeBH> thanks
[03:03] <holstein> OH
[03:03] <holstein> your going to do a fresh install?
[03:04] <holstein> or you mean, start DLing packages... i see
[03:04] <holstein> let us know how it goes
[03:05] <holstein> also, if your into audio recording
[03:05] <holstein> you might enjoy #opensourcemusicians
[03:07] <CaponeBH> Yeah, actualy ubuntu studio is the first that i use
[03:07] <CaponeBH> but i installed it wrong
[03:07] <holstein> how so?
[03:07] <CaponeBH> i didnt choose to install the packages
[03:07] <holstein> you can add them
[03:07] <CaponeBH> so i had to choose by hand what did i want
[03:07] <holstein> OK
[03:08] <CaponeBH> but now im formating it to install it again
[03:08] <holstein> you can add all the packages to a normal lucid install
[03:08]  * holstein prefers the fresh install
[03:08] <CaponeBH> cause i want to see the music programs that comes with it
[03:08] <CaponeBH> but i installed some nice ones by hand
[03:09] <holstein> you can run synaptic and search ubuntustudio
[03:09] <holstein> OR sudo apt-cache search ubuntustudio
[03:09] <CaponeBH> i wish i knew that before hehehe now is too late...but thats ok... i wnjoyed the system a lot
[03:09] <holstein> and read about the meta-packages
[03:09] <holstein> the meta-packages are like collections of packages
[03:09] <holstein> CaponeBH: now you know :)
[03:10] <holstein> i do the same thing
[03:10] <CaponeBH> ow...nice... i will try to learn more about that
[03:10] <CaponeBH> easier than choose one by one hehehe
[03:10] <holstein> format, and reinstall just to see about it
[03:10] <holstein> you can read about it here
[03:10] <holstein> !vanilla
[03:11] <CaponeBH> but do u think i will have problemas with the grub???
[03:11] <holstein> also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[03:11] <holstein> CaponeBH: no problems
[03:11] <holstein> just be aware
[03:11] <CaponeBH> cause i have windows and ubuntu studio, cause i need windows to use skype since i couldnt use it on ubuntu 9.10
[03:11] <holstein> OH
[03:11] <holstein> is it one hard drive?
[03:12] <holstein> grub2 should go and find your windows partition
[03:12] <holstein> no problem
[03:12] <CaponeBH> yeah...but its kind of c: and d: so c: is windows and d: is ubuntu
[03:12] <holstein> should*
[03:12] <holstein> check out
[03:12] <holstein> !grub2
[03:12] <holstein> BUT you should be find
[03:12] <holstein> if you add the realtime kernel
[03:13] <holstein> you'll want to go in there and edit grub
[03:13] <CaponeBH> im worried about keep the configuration of the old ubuntu studio, but i think that will work too...hope so...
[03:13] <holstein> CaponeBH: your trying to use your old home folder?
[03:13] <holstein> from karmic?
[03:13] <DeathMetalDean> are there any benefits of having Ubuntu Studio than just downloading the files onto Ubuntu?
[03:14] <CaponeBH> just a moment guys... come back in some minutes...got to watch my team play... thanks for the help....
[03:14] <CaponeBH> im formating my old ubuntu studio
[03:14] <CaponeBH> and installing it again
[03:14] <CaponeBH> so this time i install it right
[03:14] <CaponeBH> and choose to install the music packages
[03:15] <holstein> your welcome anytime CaponeBH
[03:15] <holstein> DeathMetalDean: i dont think so
[03:16] <DeathMetalDean> holstein, Ok :o
[03:16] <holstein> i prefer to add the packages i want from the repo
[03:16] <holstein> you should get the same system in the end
[03:16] <holstein> there are some configurations you might need to do
[03:16] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[03:17] <holstein> you might want to read over that
[03:17] <holstein> IF you have any issues running JACK
[03:17] <holstein> permission-wise
[03:18] <DeathMetalDean> holstein, ok thanks :)
[03:24] <DeathMetalDean> holstein, whenever I went to 10.04 on Ubuntu yesterday some of my programs stopped opening somehow like, tuxguitar etc, would I be better off trying Ubuntu Studio in a different partition or something?
[03:24] <holstein> nah
[03:25] <holstein> thats interesting
[03:25] <holstein> can you list what is not working?
[03:25] <holstein> DeathMetalDean: also
[03:25] <holstein> try launching them in the terminal
[03:25] <holstein> and see what the complaints are
[03:25] <holstein> and if your not running JACK
[03:25] <holstein> try sudo running them
[03:26] <holstein> that shouldnt matter
[03:26] <holstein> we shoule be able to trouble-shoot that
[03:26] <DeathMetalDean> meta@meta-laptop:~$ sudo tuxguitar
[03:26] <DeathMetalDean> [sudo] password for meta:
[03:26] <DeathMetalDean> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/eclipse/swt/widgets/Control
[03:26] <DeathMetalDean>         at org.herac.tuxguitar.gui.TGMain.main(Unknown Source)
[03:26] <DeathMetalDean> Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Control
[03:26] <DeathMetalDean>         at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:200)
[03:26] <DeathMetalDean>         at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
[03:26] <DeathMetalDean>         at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:188)
[03:26] <DeathMetalDean>         at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:307)
[03:26] <DeathMetalDean>         at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:301)
[03:26] <DeathMetalDean>         at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:252)
[03:26] <DeathMetalDean>         at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClassInternal(ClassLoader.java:320)
[03:27] <DeathMetalDean>         ... 1 more
[03:27] <DeathMetalDean> that's what came up when I try to open with the terminal
[03:27] <holstein> cool
[03:27] <holstein> you might want to pastebin that in the future
[03:28] <holstein> so you dont get kicked
[03:28]  * holstein should have said
[03:28] <holstein> DeathMetalDean: do you have java installed?
[03:29] <holstein> http://www.javatester.org/version.html
[03:29] <DeathMetalDean> sorry didn't mean to spam, I dunno if I have java, just got this new version, I probably don't have java cuz when I upgraded to 10.04 I had to reinstall flash
[03:29] <holstein> no worries :)
[03:29] <DeathMetalDean> nope, don't have java :o
[03:29] <holstein> that would be my first step
[03:29] <holstein> i havent used tux guitar
[03:30] <holstein> but it looks like it needs java
[03:30] <DeathMetalDean> holstein, yeah I'm pretty sure it does, I remember my brother mentioning that one time lol I had this problem quite awhile ago I think
[03:32] <DeathMetalDean> holstein, can I install java from the terminal?
[03:32] <holstein> you can
[03:34]  * holstein apt-cache search - ing a couple option
[03:35] <holstein> i havent installed it in lucid yet ;)
[03:38] <holstein> have you installed ubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[03:42] <DeathMetalDean> holstein, yup I have
[03:43] <holstein> hmmm
[03:44]  * holstein installing tuxguitar
[03:45] <holstein> you should have openjdk
[03:45] <holstein> maybe tuxguitar dont like openjdk
[03:47] <holstein> DeathMetalDean: hmmm, it opened for me with openjdk
[03:48] <holstein> mabye its something else then...
[03:48] <DeathMetalDean> holstein, I've no idea D: lol
[03:48] <holstein> i'll refer you to #opensourcemusicians while i think about it and get another beer :)
[03:49] <DeathMetalDean> holstein, alrighty :)
[03:49] <holstein> the only package i added that you probably dont have is
[03:49] <holstein> sudo get install default-jre
[03:49] <holstein> BUT that really shouldnt matter
[03:50] <DeathMetalDean> I'll try it anyway lol :p
[03:54] <CaponeBH> Hey guys, me again, sorry... i dont know why, i asked to format the drive that it was installed ubuntu studio
[03:54] <CaponeBH> and now its not installing
[03:54] <CaponeBH> it appears a red screen
[03:54] <CaponeBH> saying about some files that it couldnt be removed
[03:55] <CaponeBH> can someone help me pls?
[03:55] <holstein> hmmm
[03:55] <holstein> you have 2 drive?
[03:55] <holstein> one FAT
[03:55] <holstein> OR NTSF
[03:55] <holstein> and the other for ubuntu?
[03:56] <holstein> i would grab a live DE
[03:56] <holstein> CD*
[03:56] <CaponeBH> yeah... ntfs the windows
[03:56] <holstein> something with Gparted
[03:56] <CaponeBH> i think i will format it with windows cd... and than try again
[03:56] <holstein> and really get rid of everything but the NTSF
[03:56] <holstein> hmmm
[03:57] <CaponeBH> yeah...
[03:57] <holstein> the windows CD will make an NTSF or FAT probably
[03:57] <holstein> not that theres anything wrong with that
[03:57] <holstein> BUT
[03:57] <holstein> i would want only ONE NTSF on the disc
[03:57] <holstein> and just have ubuntu use the rest of the space
[03:58] <CaponeBH> well...i think is my best shot... i can format again to fat32 with the ubuntu studio cd no?
[03:58] <holstein> CaponeBH: i also thing the graphical installed does a better job at laying those options out
[03:58] <holstein> CaponeBH: maybe if you do advanced partitioning
[03:58] <holstein> BUT i have no idea what that looks like in that installer
[03:59] <holstein> ive never used it
[03:59] <CaponeBH> i think the problem is the grub
[03:59] <CaponeBH> i cant even turn on windows anymore
[03:59] <CaponeBH> i reseted my computer
[03:59] <CaponeBH> and its showing a screen with gru rescue>
[03:59] <holstein> you can run fixmbr
[03:59] <CaponeBH> grub*
[03:59] <holstein> n windows
[03:59] <holstein> from the widows rescue console
[04:00] <holstein> and get the MBR for windows back
[04:00] <holstein> if you want to get windows booting
[04:00] <holstein> i would just zero everything but the windows partition
[04:00] <holstein> and let ubuntu deal with it
[04:02] <CaponeBH> i think i will just reinstall everything...
[04:02] <CaponeBH> think is the only way
[04:02] <holstein> that'll do
[04:02] <holstein> nah
[04:02] <holstein> you can use a 3rd party boot loader too
[04:02] <CaponeBH> i knew that the grub would have some problem...it always have...at least with me...
[04:03] <holstein> http://gag.sourceforge.net/
[04:03] <holstein> thats the only one ive ever used
[04:03] <holstein> you can have it boot partitions without installing it too
[04:03] <holstein> or it use to
[04:03] <holstein> great rescue featuer
[04:03] <holstein> feature
[04:24] <StevenGJ> I haven't had the time to do as much research as I'd like on Ardour and JAMin and such, but I'm looking at using this laptop computer as a portable mastering machine for songs I produce in a studio I work at, and I'm trying to compare JAMin/Ardour mastering vs. using Windows Vista w/ Ableton Suite 8
[04:25] <CaponeBH> windows cant format the partition...because its fat32 and it doesnt recognize it anymore
[04:25] <StevenGJ> If I were to do this I'd install Ubuntu Studio as the only OS on the machine
[04:25] <CaponeBH> i dont know why...but with time...seems that installations are getting worse instead of better...
[04:25] <CaponeBH> i need windows man...
[04:26] <CaponeBH> unfortunelly linux doesnt support me in some stuffs...
[04:26] <StevenGJ> sorry if I interrupted anything
[04:26] <StevenGJ>  Just trying to get pointed in the right direction of seeing the mastering capabilities of jamin vs ableton
[04:26] <CaponeBH> nah, thats ok... we are all here to help each other ...thats fine :)
[04:26] <StevenGJ> lol good deal
[04:27] <StevenGJ> not looking to get spoon fed, per se, but I need to figure out what software I'm going to be using in two weeks
[04:27] <StevenGJ> I've been mastering tracks in Ableton with no problem but I don't want to be selling clients short
[04:27] <StevenGJ> I've heard Pro Tools allows you to do things to the audio spectrum you can't do in ableton, but I'm not about to go buy more equipment just to use Pro Tools
[04:28] <StevenGJ> So I look into the open source community I love so much but currently don't have a *nix machine to test the software on
[04:33] <StevenGJ> and I'll be here all night trying to research this in the best way possible
[04:33] <StevenGJ> :D
[04:56] <holstein> StevenGJ: #opensourcemusicians
[04:56] <holstein> the opinions will be biased :)
[04:56] <StevenGJ> lol I'll ask there as well
[04:56] <StevenGJ> ah
[04:56] <StevenGJ> jokes on me
[04:57] <StevenGJ> soon as Dumb and Dumber is over lol
[05:02] <holstein> CaponeBH: did you get sorted?
[05:02]  * holstein had a call
[05:02] <holstein> my folks trying to install a printer in windows 7
[05:03] <holstein> i used crossloop to get over to the box
[05:03] <holstein> thats the most time ive spent in front of windows 7
[05:04] <holstein> StevenGJ: i really like using JamIN
[05:04] <holstein> i havent seen ableton in a while
[05:05] <holstein> BUT jamin has multiband compressors
[05:05] <StevenGJ> as does ableton
[05:05] <holstein> i just run everything OUT to it
[05:05] <holstein> from JACK
[05:05] <StevenGJ> I use multiband to remove everything below 30-35 hz or so and level out the audio
[05:06] <StevenGJ> does JAMin allow editing the left/right channels of the audio itself?
[05:06] <holstein> hmmm
[05:06] <holstein> i want to say no
[05:06] <holstein> BUT you could have 2 instances
[05:06] <holstein> and route them accordingly in JACK
[05:06] <holstein> i havnet tried though
[05:06] <holstein> it might be in there
[05:07] <StevenGJ> hmmm
[05:07] <StevenGJ> because that could help with stereo enhancement and there's limited ways to do that in ableton
[05:07] <holstein> the way routing works in JACK, you can do whatever you want
[05:08] <holstein> the possibilities are daunting really
[05:08] <holstein> i remember i was using cubase and XP
[05:08] <holstein> and i got my rig working in linux
[05:08] <holstein> and i literally just stared at the screen for a couple months ;)
[05:08] <StevenGJ> never was a big fan of cubase, then again I've always used ableton I barely dabbled in it
[05:08] <holstein> so many options
[05:09] <StevenGJ> I definitely need to try running a virtual machine of ubuntu studio, would that have the same audio capabilities for testing?
[05:09] <holstein> StevenGJ: cubase just came with the presonux firepod
[05:09] <holstein> presonus*
[05:09] <holstein> its OK
[05:09] <StevenGJ> yeah it came with the firestudio projects I'm using too hehe
[05:09] <StevenGJ> I run a few of those to the main computer on firewire
[05:09] <holstein> StevenGJ: if you have a lot of ram
[05:09] <holstein> if the host box
[05:10] <holstein> i dont see why not
[05:10] <StevenGJ> hmmmm
[05:10] <holstein> 2 GB
[05:10] <StevenGJ> well if I run into glitches I'll know what th eproblem is at least
[05:10] <holstein> that would do it well
[05:10] <StevenGJ> 4GB DDR2 on this laptop
[05:10] <holstein> i think you can test reasonably with that
[05:10] <StevenGJ> bueno
[05:11] <StevenGJ> I don't ever connect the actual recording equipment to this anyways I just use a M-Audio FastTrack Pro and connect it to the monitors whenever I need big playback
[05:12] <holstein> OK
[05:12] <holstein> so you'll have USB in Vbox
[05:45] <CaponeBH> Good night guys...see you soon...problem resolved with a hard solution...formated windows first...and now installing the ubuntu studio with all the packages...
[05:45] <CaponeBH> however, thanks for the help
[05:47] <holstein> later CaponeBH :)
[07:06] <exy666> sorry if this is off-topic but maybe someone here would know: is it possible for audacity to record audio from other apps with vanilla 9.10 (no studio), or would I need to configure something like JACK?
[07:11] <StevenGJ> as far as I know JACK's the only thing in linux that'll port audio from one application to another, but don't quote me on that
[07:12] <StevenGJ> I know audacity in windows won't unless you setup hardware inputs to be program output
[07:14] <exy666> thanks.  checking audacity forums where they make it sound easy by referencing UI i don't find.  appreciate the response.
[07:15] <exy666> presently have a half-configured JACK, no audio, and deciding whether to figure that out or roll it back.
[08:31] <Monona> ﻿I'm having trouble getting input on an M-Audio Fast Track Pro.  The input doesn't seem to be on in the device.  There's no readable system output on JACK either.  I'm on Hardy 8.04.  How can I get a mic in?
[09:53] <kilonux> hello, just installed US 10.4.  Need help
[09:53] <kilonux> anyone there?
[09:55] <astraljava> kilonux: Usually better to type your problem instead, if someone's around and willing to respond, they will.
[10:03] <kilonux> Ethernet was plugged during install, but the dhcp conf. failed. I continued the install and it seemed to me like it downloaded a loy during install.  Now there is no internet connection possible on this fresh install. neither eth or wifi, no icon up right. this worked fine on this notebook using Ubuntu (from Gutsy to Jaunty)
[10:04] <kilonux> downloaded A LOT
[10:05] <astraljava> kilonux: Why do you think it downloaded stuff? I really have doubts it could have, when networking setup fails.
[10:05] <astraljava> kilonux: Well anyway, can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file, please?
[10:06] <astraljava> kilonux: Be sure to cover for possible wireless passwords, if any.
[10:08] <kilonux> astraljava: I will transfer this file using my usb flash,  will take some minutes, thanks
[10:11] <kilonux> astraljava:  no need to to use the usb flash: there are only : auto lo   and iface lo inet loopback
[10:12] <kilonux> lspci  is ok :  : intel 3945 abg
[10:13] <astraljava> Wait, does US 10.04 use NetworkManager? Or is it still gnome-network-admin?
[10:13]  * astraljava doesn't have it installed
[10:14] <kilonux> how then connect and get something installed?
[10:18] <astraljava> kilonux: Add a line "iface eth0 inet dhcp" to that file, and do `sudo ifup eth0`, see if the connection is brought up. If not, post errors.
[10:19] <kilonux> ok , I will have to disconnect this machine, then
[10:20] <kilonux> (if I don't find my other cable.......)
[10:29] <kilonux> astraljava:  found the other cable . US 10.4 is now connected on the cable  and outlet that  verified working .
[10:30] <kilonux> ifup  gives : No DHCPOFFERS received
[10:31] <kilonux> No working leases in pers. database - sleeping
[10:36] <astraljava> Hmm... tricky. Lemme browse the net for possible answers.
[10:37] <kilonux> i'm browsing as well, but I'm not very lucky
[10:46] <astraljava> Just to make sure, do `ps -ef | grep Network` and report back whether NetworkManager is running or not.
[10:51] <kilonux> astraljava:  answer is :user  1701 1444 0 11:49 pts/0 00:00:00 grep color auto Network
[10:52] <astraljava> kilonux: No NetworkManager, then. That's good. Open up gnome-network-manager.
[10:54] <kilonux> astraljava: gnome-network-manager :command not found,
[10:55] <astraljava> kilonux: Might be gnome-network-admin, sorry.
[10:55] <kilonux> still not found
[10:55] <astraljava> Hmm....
[10:57] <kilonux> dpkg  says  gnome-network-admin is there
[11:10] <astraljava> dpkg -L gnome-network-admin, does it show something under /usr/bin
[11:15] <kilonux> dpkg-L says usr/bin  and /usr/bin/network-admin
[11:18] <astraljava> Ahh... so there's no gnome- prefix. :) Well, open that up and see what you can do with it for eth0 config. I've never used it, but I believe it's pretty intuitive.
[11:24] <astraljava> One thing that came to mind, do `sudo lshw -c Network`, and check with `lsmod` that the driver mentioned in the first command is loaded.
[11:24] <kilonux> astraljava:  this is  menu- system -admin-network and it is not very exiting
[11:24] <kilonux> ok I' try that
[11:25] <astraljava> kilonux: Yeah it's possible you can't do anything more with it than what we already configured into /etc/network/interfaces.
[11:39] <kilonux> astraljava:  I don't find any mention of driver in lshw, my wlan0 (disabled) and eth0 are there;       And in lsmod the iwl3945 shows up 4 times. I don't recognise eth0 driver
[11:41] <astraljava> kilonux: It should be mentioned there in the "configuration:" line, "driver=" or something. You want to look it up in the "description: Ethernet interface" section.
[11:42] <kilonux> astraljava:  sorry t'was kind of hidden ...
[11:42] <astraljava> kilonux: No prob. :)
[11:43] <kilonux> r8161
[11:43] <astraljava> Is it loaded, ie. can you find it with `lsmod`?
[11:43] <kilonux>  used for mii
[11:45] <kilonux> and  strangely r8169 is also listed under the Module column
[11:45] <astraljava> That's where it should be, if it's loaded.
[11:46] <astraljava> Damn, no luck there, then.
[11:46] <kilonux> quite funny
[11:47] <kilonux> Maybe better that I install the plain ubuntu and then add apps I need
[11:48] <astraljava> Well, you can try getting support also from other channels, and mailing lists first.
[11:49] <astraljava> ...or the forums.
[11:50] <kilonux> yes i havent abandonned yet
[11:54] <astraljava> Some people report problems with acpi, with cards using that same module. Maybe you could try to boot up with acpi=off kernel parameter?
[11:54] <kilonux> would you be able to make a short description of my problem?
[11:54] <kilonux> aha!
[11:55] <astraljava> You could try this too: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/286489/comments/13
[11:55] <kilonux> I never had probs using plain ubuntus - never tried lucid though
[11:56] <kilonux> Sure I'll have a look,
[11:57] <astraljava> Hmm... well then I don't know what could be the reason, don't know the differences in the networking department when comparing US to Ubuntu vanilla.
[11:58] <astraljava> Okay, I need to go for a bit. I'll be back later, hope you find the solution somewhere, if not, I can try to help when I return again. :)
[12:02] <kilonux> solong
[12:05] <Blank__> i know there's something weird with US and dns lookups compared to vanilla Ubuntu
[12:06] <kilonux> Blank__: but u don't know what, is it so?
[12:06] <Blank__> it seems to take too long to query the primary dns server
[12:07] <Blank__> which in my case is automatically assigned from my belkin router as itself, when it has no dns server capabilities
[12:10] <kilonux> i know very little 'bout all that
[12:11] <Blank__> i've managed to more or less solve the issue by running a dns cacher on my server, and directing lookups there
[12:12] <Blank__> cache*