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kwtmHey, kernco, Mamarok: does KDE no longer provide 2 possible shortcut keys for the same command, or I just haven't found the right settings yet?00:00
kwtmLuija1006: In my opinion, huge body of expertise for Intel-based Linux and not much for PowerPC, so I would go with Intel.  If you are thinking about an Intel-based Mac, then I suspect it's ok.  Disclaimer: I've never used a Mac.00:01
Mamarokkwtm: in the global shortcuts there should be an alternative, no?00:01
Mamarokwrong, in the standard shortcuts, not in the global ones00:02
kwtmMamarok: I don't see it.  It lists the shortcut, which I can change, but it's either "default" or "custom" and I can only set one key.  Will check again.00:02
Mamarokbut standard should have an alternate one00:02
Luija1006kwtm: So I would get more help with traditionals laptops like sony vaio, hp, etc... but mac book pro is ppc? and also I didnt knew intel based imacs existed00:02
Mamarokkwtm: the standard shortcuts definitely have alternate ones00:03
kwtmLuija1006: Yes, intel-based Macs exist but I don't know much about them.  You would indeed get more help with traditional laptops, but if you haven't bought one yet, you might want to shop around to get one that is known to work with Linux --saves a TON of hassle.00:03
kwtmLuija1006: I myself bought a Dell laptop with Ubuntu preinstalled.  I wiped it and installed Kubuntu, but then when the battery started to fail, the repairshop said, "Oh, that's because you're using Ubuntu".  And I said, "this laptop came with Ubuntu."  So they had to shut up and fix the laptop.00:05
Mamarokkwtm: ThinkPad normally all run Linux quite well00:05
kwtmMamarok: Agree that Thinkpad works well.  You need to tell Luija1006 that; I already have a laptop.  (Actually, I have 4; one is a ThinkPad with Xubuntu.)00:05
kwtmMamarok: I would give you a screenshot of my global shortcuts, but I can't even configure the KCaptureScreen thingy (whatever it's called).00:06
Mamarokktdid you read what I said above? Not the global shortcuts, the standard ones, I was wrong and corrected why I said the line after00:06
Mamarokkwtm: ^00:07
MamarokOK, bed time for me, good night all00:07
kwtmMamarok: Will try std shortcuts.  Thx.00:08
moj0risingAnyone out there know how to add a network printer?   :)00:08
kwtmMamarok: I see them now.  Thanks.00:08
satch5150im running kubuntu lucid amd64 on an intel quad core ........ I have the nero aac codec and associated binaries that are 32 bit binaries - when I try to run them I get a file not found message, I've made sure the full path is correct and everything is spelled correctly, what is wrong and what can I do about it ?00:09
Luija1006kwtm: what you recommend me then over the Imac? I was getting interested in it because they say kubuntu runs awesome in it... an hp? do you have a new specific model?00:09
satch5150the binaries are 32-bit btw00:09
kwtmLuija1006: I can only recommend what I know: Dell inspiron laptop works well.  Not necessarily better than any other, but for me it is VERY valuable to know that something will work (I'd pay more to have that certainty).00:10
kwtmLuija1006: If you're willing, you can get Dell laptop with Ubuntu preinstalled --will search for URL now.  But if you want Windows dual boot, you can buy something with Windows.00:10
kwtmLuija1006: Or else: buy something, try installing Kubuntu, and if it doesn't work, then do a Restore From Drive and return the machine for a refund.00:11
Luija1006lol I desinstalled windows milleniums ago kwtm00:11
satch5150anyone ?00:11
kwtmLuija1006: You're older than I am, then. :)  I only switched in 2003.00:12
kwtmLuija1006: This should get you started http://www.ubuntu.com/dell but when I checked, I see only the Dell netbook with Ubuntu.  Dell is not the only option, just what I know.  As Mamarok said, ThinkPads also seem to work well, have lots of drivers available, etc.00:14
Luija1006kwtm: I was just interested in the imacs because it will give it a freshlook to my kubuntu, but then if people see the apple and then come to see it expecting mac os and then see linux they would say like... wtf? but I dont really care about that, I just wanted it for the modern looks and because they said ubuntu runs flawlessly.. but if you tell me ppc have less back up than intel that makes me think twice...00:15
kwtmHey, KDE4 experts: I went to SystemSettings > Keybd/Mouse > Input Actions and I see some examples there of keyboard shortcuts but I can't activate them.  Why are those options grayed out?  (screenshot coming up)00:15
kwtmLuija1006: Check whether the imacs are Intel-based.  If they are, I think you'll be okay.00:15
Luija1006kwtm: thanks for the help :), one last question, what you think about hps with linux? (the last models, I think they are called pavilion)00:16
kwtmKDE4 experts: Regarding my question above -- I have found the answer (I forgot to check a checkbox).  Please ignore question, thx.00:17
satch515032-bit binaries on 64-bit kubuntu, anyway to make that work ?00:17
kwtmLuija1006: You can ask more than one last question. :)  I have had bad experience with Compaq/HP desktop --was it called "Pavillion"?  Or maybe "Presario"?  It just didn't work (it froze on boot-up).  That was about 5 years ago, but it has made me leery of HP ever since.  (On the other hand, apparently HP printers love linux)00:19
Walzmynsatch5150: there's a way to put them in some kind of wrapper. I don't know how, try google00:19
satch5150Walzymn: thanks00:20
Luija1006kwtm I just found in wikipedia pages than macbook pros processor is based in intel core 2 duo00:21
satch5150ok, let me ask another question, anyone else know of an aac/mp4 encoder that works as well as nero's ? :)00:22
roberto_eject recloses the cdrom tray00:23
roberto_just open and close with no pause00:23
Luija1006kwtm: Actually I just found than Mac Book Pro processor is based in intel core 2 duo00:29
satch5150when I run file on NeroAacEnc, it says it's dynamically linked, when I run ldd on it it says there are no shared dependencies00:31
satch5150do which is it and how am I supposed to find out what libs I need ?00:32
kwtmLuija1006: Going to sign off now --battery low on my Dellbuntu laptop.00:41
Luija1006kwtm: by and thanks :)00:41
Luija1006bye*00:41
Saintly:)01:19
roberto_anyone know how to eject the DVd ?01:21
roberto_:D why isn't there an eject option on the icon in nautilus?!01:21
roberto_oop, better go to #ubuntu since I'm gnome01:22
kacmHi, I installed Kubuntu 10.04 netbook remix, but my bootloader disappeared. On top of that, the wireless device is disabled so I can't sudo apt-get install grub because I don't have internet from the LiveUSB. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.01:24
darkdelusionskacm: I think the boot loader was a know issue let me see what i can find01:29
kacmthank you!01:31
darkdelusionskacm: according to what i found grub is just there but hidden01:31
darkdelusionskacm: To configure advanced boot options, press any key at the first boot screen.01:32
darkdelusionskacm: and when u say your wirless is disabled what does knetwork manager tell you01:32
kacmits set to boot from the hdd but it wont load anything01:32
kacmI tried to activate it but it wont fetch the files, I'll try again and post you what it says01:33
kacmthe first time it tried to load the files and install but now it doesnt even move01:34
kacmdarkdelusions: yes, it is hidden but I can't find a way to make it "appear". And everything I find on the web is about repairing the bootloader if you installed Windows and your other distro disappeared, which is not my case exactly.01:36
WhammoI have firefox set to use kmplayer, but there is no evidence it works. any advice01:41
Whammo?01:41
rolsworth10.04 has a serious bug with raid installation02:09
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jimmy51i'm impressed.  my workstation upgrade went without a hitch.02:18
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Matissehi02:51
Matissesince upgrade to lucid firefox crashes on flash-containing sites. Can somebody help me?02:52
e_t_Matisse: are you using Adobe flash or Gnash?02:55
Matissee_t_, adobe02:57
Matisseopera is only playing the sound of flash things, like before03:02
flavioHello, could someone explain what I have to do in order to enable compositing for intel 945? It was running fine after install, but now systemsettings clains it is disabled.03:05
flavioI am running kubuntu 10.403:05
e_t_Matisse: Open Firefox, click on Tools > Add-Ons03:06
e_t_flavio: try pressing Alt+Shift+F1203:09
flavioe_t_:03:10
flavioFailed to activate desktop effects using the given configuration options. Settings will be reverted to their previous values.03:10
flavioCheck your X configuration. You may also consider changing advanced options, especially changing the compositing type.03:10
Matissee_t_, already disabled vlc-plugin if you want to suggest that03:11
flavioe_t_: The compositing type is set to OpenGl. If I could edit the xorg.conf file, but it is now gone, I don't know how to setup X without editing the xorg.conf file.03:13
e_t_Matisse: I mainly wanted to check to make sure Firefox wasn't seeing two flash plugins or something.03:13
Matissee_t_, but there are 2 different flash version, deactivating the newer helps03:14
Matissethx03:14
e_t_flavio: this might be helpful to you. It says "fix released": https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/56158003:18
flavioe_t_: Thanks, I will have a look on this.03:19
e_t_flavio: I'm not certain, but I think that if you *create* an xorg.conf, the computer will act on it. I've still got a cathode monitor on one computer and it wouldn't remember my resolution settings, until I created an xorg.conf with the nvidia tool (I've got their graphics). It worked.03:22
flavioe_t_: I think I figured out what happened, I installed Nvidia drivers in this system, I will remove these packages and try again. I know that the xorg.conf could do the trick, but I'm using intel graphics here, and I can't figure out how to generate the xorg.conf, the reconfigure xorg-server does not work anymore.03:27
flavioe_t_: Thanks again03:27
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flavioe_t_: Removing nvidia packages and reinstalling intel ones worked, compositing is working just fine now, thanks again.03:51
hstefanso, I've installed Kubuntu on a virtual box and it's working fine, but... I can't get my native resolution there (1920x1080). Already installed the addittions. Any ideas?03:58
hstefanuh, I guess its a negative.04:02
daweedhelo04:38
daweedcan i install an antivirus to my kubuntu? cuz i didint dount anythink on kpackagekit04:39
smokealothttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus/Avg04:39
daweedsmokealot: the avf antivirus doesnot remove the virus do u know abouth other who really remove the virus04:47
hstefanwtf am I reading. An antivirus for linux.04:49
PSiL0hstefan: maybe to run scans on his window partition ;)04:49
hstefanPSiL0: oh, I see.04:50
PSiL0hstefan: run scans from an environment that he knows is safe, heh04:52
daweedwhat is a file tar.tz04:52
DarthFrogDon't you meant tar.gz?04:54
DarthFrogor tar.bz?04:54
DarthFrogtar.gz is the Unix equivalent of a zip file.04:54
hstefanPSiL0: got your point heh04:55
DarthFrogAs is a tar.bz file, only using a different compression scheme.04:55
whammodoes anybody know how to get mplayer to either embed or stream flash to external?05:06
mase_wkwhammo: what exactly do you mean by stream?05:07
mase_wkand which protocol ?05:07
whammoto stream .swf either external or embedded using mplayer05:07
whammoexample: youtube05:08
whammomplayer plays well with jack05:08
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DaughainSince when do we need angels here?05:20
macoangels? NOOOOO05:20
macodont blink. dont even blink. blink, and you're dead. don't close your eyes. don't look away. and don't blink.05:20
* Daughain chuckles.05:20
thomas___hello05:21
thomas___how do I install java jre on kubuntu05:21
hellokittyhi guys, new to kubuntu, My system crashed and I lost the trasparent box on the desktop. How can I get it back?05:24
whammocan anybody recommend a browser that they can confirm as supporting a kmplayer plugin for flash video?05:24
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MBadassHey06:55
MBadasshow's it going06:56
MBadassanyone online?06:57
DaughainSorta.06:57
MBadassHey iono if im in the right place, but I was wondering if there were any new music managers that were good06:58
MBadassI've gotten tired of Amarok, Rhythmbox, and songbird doesn't match my sync needs =P06:58
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* Daughain shrugs..07:00
Daughain I use VLC for amm my media./07:00
moetunesthere's alxays mpg32107:00
moetunesalways*07:01
moetunes!info mpg32107:01
ubottumpg321 (source: mpg321): mpg123 clone that doesn't use floating point. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.10.6 (lucid), package size 35 kB, installed size 132 kB07:01
Landgrafnew kubuntu ask me about untrusted packages like Windows Vista :)07:01
moetunesheh07:01
Landgrafyou sure? sayed she07:01
Gaecynk thanks, I think i've finally found a wiki that should help me out07:01
GaecynI will check out mpg321 looks pretty light07:02
eagles0513875Landgraf: try not to stray offtopic please07:02
DaughainWe got a whole nother channel just for that./07:02
moetunesGaecyn: mpg321 is a cli app07:03
GaecynOh sorry, like I said I wasn't sure if I was in the right room.07:03
moetunesDaughain: a link?07:03
Daughain?????07:04
Daughain#Kubuntu-Offtopic?07:04
moetunesDaughain> We got a whole nother channel just for that./   moetunes> Daughain: a link?07:04
moetunesahhh offtopic...07:04
DaughainLink for what??07:04
moetunesDaughain> We got a whole nother channel just for that./   moetunes> Daughain: a link?07:05
* Daughain shakes his head....07:05
Landgrafthis not offtopic, this a question - why official repozit have untrusted packages?07:05
Landgrafi don't connect left repozit07:05
moetunesDaughain: you new what you were talking about - I guess that's all that counts07:06
DaughainLandgraf: An untrusted package is one not supported by the 'official' release....Often  proprietary stuff.07:07
DaughainA legal issue more than anything else.07:07
Gaecynmhmm...I have a question regarding the networking capabilities of kubuntu.07:09
mase_wkGaecyn: are we guessing the question ? i like guessing games07:09
Gaecynactually never mind..07:09
Gaecynit was a bad question07:09
Gaecynbecause I just realized I have a built in wlan card that doesn't support mesh networking07:10
Gaecynso i would never be able to utilize the answer07:10
* Daughain chuckles...07:10
mase_wkGaecyn: you can create mesh networks if that was your question07:10
Gaecynmesh networks basically allow you to share a wifi connection you have alongside an adhoc network?07:11
mase_wkerm not exactly. they can do that07:11
mase_wkit just means that each node acts as an independant router07:12
Landgrafbig files (1.5 Gb) is very long copy on USB-drive? haw remove this trouble?07:13
Landgraf30 minutes07:13
mase_wkLandgraf: don't copy big files or buy an esata usb key...or compress the files07:13
moetunesLandgraf: is it an old comp - using usb1?07:13
Landgrafno, new pc, in Win - 10 min07:14
moetunesk07:14
mase_wkLandgraf: is it mounted with the sync option ?07:14
mase_wkthat would reduce performance07:14
Landgrafauto moun, i dont mount manually07:15
mase_wkLandgraf: have a look and see, maybe the system thought for some reason it should be mounted with sync07:15
mase_wkmount willl show you which options were used07:15
Landgrafi can to see it in Dolphin?07:16
mase_wknot sure sorry.07:16
mase_wkthis is how mine looks07:19
mase_wk /dev/sdg1 on /media/disk type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,uid=1000,utf8,shortname=mixed,flush)07:19
Landgrafmase_wk: i don't see 'sync option' in "mount --help"07:21
mase_wkLandgraf: just type mount07:21
mase_wkit will show you a list of current mountpoints and their options07:21
Landgrafok07:22
owner_i got a programming question> if anoyne can help, what is the difference between interface Vs Class Vs Abstract class07:22
owner_in OOP such as c++, C# or java?07:23
owner_anyone? anything?07:24
Landgrafmase_wk: /dev/sdb1 on /media/PRETEC type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,uid=1000,utf8,shortname=mixed,flush)07:25
Landgrafmase_wk: there is trouble?07:25
mase_wkLandgraf: looks ok .Not really sure sorry.07:36
Landgrafmase_wk: i read that thes trouble is in kde, but not in gnome.. i'll think more...07:38
mase_wkLandgraf: which version are you using ?07:42
mase_wkcould be a dolphin issue i guess.07:43
Landgrafdolphin 1.4, kde 4.4.207:44
mase_wkhmm ok. not really sure  sorry . so if you use nautilus it transfers quickly ?07:44
Landgrafnow trying via 'cp'07:45
mase_wkok even better07:45
Landgrafwait still07:45
Landgrafnot see progress line and countdown :)07:47
mase_wkdoes cp have a progress option. You can use `time` to time how long something takes if you like07:48
Landgrafno look this opltion07:49
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* starslights great's the chan08:18
fakedrake i want to install lucid on an ldap authenticating network, are there any significant related bugs at the current release?08:18
fakedrakeanyone?08:20
moetunesfakedrake: an ldapauthenticating network is not a common issue, got some more info?08:24
moetuneshere's the  I missed08:25
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kinkieHi all.. I have a question. I'm runnning Ubuntu 9.10, and I'd like to switch to kubuntu 10.4 ; what would you suggest as the most painless way to do it? Thanks!08:33
fakedrakewell there is not much more to say,  there is an ldap server and all i want is to rely that it will work on 10.04 as it works on 9.04 now08:34
fakedrakemoetunes08:34
moetunes!ldap | fakedrake08:35
ubottufakedrake: LDAP is the Lightweight Directory Access Protocol. For more information, installation instructions and getting clients to authenticate via LDAP see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenLDAPServer08:35
moetunesfakedrake: seems all is as was08:36
Guest94139whois Guest9413908:36
fakedrakei mean i have 9.04 on the client and it works flawlessly, i want 10.04 to have the same quality08:36
fakedrakei mean i have heard some bad rumors08:37
fakedrakeso i thought i would ask you guys08:37
fakedrakeok ill try it and see how it goes from there08:38
fakedrakethanks a lot08:38
pioneerHi08:58
pioneerHow are you guys :)08:58
mase_wkpresent =)08:59
moetunes!hi | pioneer08:59
ubottupioneer: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines . Enjoy your stay!08:59
pioneerHi Moetunes09:00
pioneerI am here to thank you , all of you , for your help and support this great O.S09:00
alvinWhere can I download a CD cover for Kubuntu 10.04?09:09
moetunes!artwork09:10
ubottuFind your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy09:10
Reign1guys, does any of you use oracle? question is where to put my tnsnames.ora file so that TOra would take it? i got it in /etc/oracle on my gentoo, but this doesnt work on kubuntu09:12
alvinWell, those are nice links, but none of them contain CD covers for Kubuntu09:21
alvinI'd like some official labels09:25
moetunesalvin: I'm not sure there are any09:26
moetunes!kubuntu09:26
ubottukubuntu is Ubuntu with the KDE Software Compilation instead of !Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support join #kubuntu - See also !kde09:26
moetunesmight try http://kubuntu.org09:26
alvinI am sure they exist. After all, you can order a free CD and that's not a blank cd. I already searched on http://kubuntu.org09:27
moetunes!logo09:27
ubottuOfficial Ubuntu artwork including the Ubuntu logo can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official09:27
moetunesmight be there09:27
alvinThat site only contains the Kubuntu logo09:27
moetunesI'm outta links then sorry alvin  - ot something I've looked into09:28
alvinno problem09:29
moetuness/ot/not09:29
shadeslayeralvin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/VisualIdentity09:31
shadeslayerall the new logos :)09:31
alvinI'm happy with all the links guys, but those are not Kubuntu cd labels. Nice logo's, but they are Ubuntu logo's09:32
shadeslayeralvin: oh you need the Kubuntu cd cover?09:33
alvinYes, that one09:33
shadeslayeralvin: hold on..09:36
shadeslayeralvin: /join #ubuntu-artwork09:42
alvindone09:42
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Greenerymy firefox is not integrated although ihave installed kmozillahelper already. Am i missing something?10:22
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iconmefistoGreenery: and you've restarted firefox since installing kmozillahelper?10:36
Greeneryiconmefisto: yup i did10:36
iconmefistoGreenery: did you install firefox from official repos?10:36
Greeneryyes I do install from the official repos10:37
alabis it plymouth that is responsible for the animated splash screen kubuntu logo in 10.4, and could it be there is a regression after upgrade to plymouth 0.8.2-2 ? Before i was so happy to have a high resolution by default, even on vt linux console, which is gone again after upgrade10:38
iconmefistoGreenery: if you go to about:config in firefox, search for "file_picker", is ui.allow_platform_file_picker set to "true" ?10:39
Greeneryit is set to true10:40
alabor could this be the mesa, grub2 or even the kernel package which where upgraded in that cycle as well?10:42
iconmefistoalab: there are grub settings for resolution in /etc/default/grub10:43
iconmefistoalab: if you edit that file, sudo update-grub afterwards10:43
moetunesisn't grub and the kernel having conflicts at the moment?10:43
alabyes it is just that it worked surprisingly after dist-upgrade to 10.4 and now it is at low-res again10:44
Greeneryi think i'm gonna try to install firefox using the kubuntu firefox installer10:44
moetunesvga=  wise10:44
alabworked==high resolution detected and applied10:45
iconmefistoalab: you can add "set gfxpayload=1200x800" to the grub kernel line (some resolution that your monitor natively supports)10:46
alabthank you will have a look at that one10:47
starslightsi have  same problem as alab too, after installed nvidia driver, i got splash screen more bigger as the windows size10:47
starslightsthanks for advice but since i wasn't able to boot one time because not driver would like to load, i will not change grub setting, not enough knowledge, but thanks for advice10:48
alaboh i had the ati drivers, but after them failing i throwed them away and was so happy to see the free driver did a good job and even gave me highres linux console without searching days and setting up everything10:50
n8whey10:50
n8whow do i find out whats the max read rate(MB/s) of hdd?10:51
shadeslayern8w: hmm... well that depends.. try copying a large file...10:52
moetunesman hdparm iirc shadeslayer10:52
n8wmoetunes:  nope,ive tries that10:53
shadeslayermoetunes: isnt that used to set HDD parameters?10:53
n8wshadeslayer:  yep it is...it doesnt rly show anythin i need10:53
moetunesshadeslayer: it does more then that10:53
shadeslayern8w: my point too...10:53
shadeslayermoetunes: really? ive just tried it to set my hd speed.. not measure it10:54
shadeslayern8w: im sure there are tools to read the disk speed10:54
n8wmoetunes:  ive tried that...it shows buffered reads and cache reads...thats it10:54
n8wshadeslayer:  ye,but ive been tryin to find any of those for a quite long time n ive got nothin....10:54
moetunesthe -T option in man hdparm10:55
moetunes -t     Perform  timings  of  device reads for benchmark and comparison purposes10:55
n8wmoetunes:  ive tried with both10:56
moetuneswhat more do you want?10:56
n8wmoetunes:  i need to know the max transfer rate in MB/s...not buffered or cache reads10:57
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GreeneryStill my firefox integration with KDE is not working. I even tried to install using the kubuntu-firefox-installer10:58
GaecynHey guys10:58
n8wmoetunes:  buffered reads or cache reads dont say anythin about maximum read transfer rate(app-->hdd)10:58
moetunesn8w: apart from man hdpam I don't know what to suggest10:59
GaecynHey in rythmbox I have a problem, it will not play songs. It identifies them but it just keeps skipping after song after song. Could this be a codec problem?11:00
n8wmoetunes:  i think i gotta go thr0 bonnie++ manual:// :))11:00
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Gaecynwhat the fuck...Amarok doesn't have native support for mp3 playback?11:04
Gaecynwhat type of shit is this?11:04
FloodBotK3Gaecyn: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.11:04
shadeslayerGaecyn: it has support for MP311:05
shadeslayerGaecyn: you dont have the codecs installed11:05
bazhangGaecyn, watch the language11:05
Mamarok!lanaguage > Gaecyn11:05
Gaecynsorry11:05
shadeslayerGaecyn: *buntu cant provide closed codecs on a open system11:05
shadeslayer!mp3 | Gaecyn11:05
ubottuGaecyn: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/musicvideophotos/C/video.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats11:05
GaecynI just presumed that it would have the capacity to play them if rythmbox could11:06
MamarokGaecyn: Amarok uses the xine backend, isntall libxine1-ffmpeg for mp3 codecs11:06
Mamarokinstall*11:06
GaecynSorry again, spent all morning looking for a currently updated music player that I wouldn't have to run on wine.11:06
shadeslayerGaecyn: ew... i suppose you run vlc in wine too>11:07
Gaecyn?huh?11:07
Mamarokshadeslayer: leave it11:08
shadeslayerMamarok: :P11:08
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gaecynbut ofcourse I run vlc in wine11:13
gaecynhow else am I going to enjoy such great media11:13
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Mamarokgaecyn: well, VLC runs natively in Linux, no need to run it in wine11:14
Mamarokgaecyn: get the packages from the repo, it works without a problem11:14
gaecynYeah I kinda noticed, but that kinda leads me into my question. I understand that running most windows based programs in wine leads into large hassels and drawbacks. Is that true of most windows programs or is it just my imagination?11:15
shadeslayergaecyn: told you :)11:16
shadeslayerMamarok: ^^11:16
Mamarokgaecyn: why don't you just try the available Linux programs first? Most of the time there is no need for a Windows program anyway11:16
Mamarokunless there is nothing equivalent, but I doubt that, besides some prorpeitary games11:16
Mamarokproprietary*11:17
gaecynYou're right, and I have still never run into a problem like not finding a program. But I keep looking at the crossover suite11:17
silv3r_m00nhi there11:17
Mamarok*sigh*11:18
gaecynwhich just seems like a bigger wine with a price tag..11:18
silv3r_m00nI upgraded ubuntu from 9.10 to 10.04 , but not kde can't start , plasma crashes11:18
silv3r_m00nwhat to do now ?11:18
Mamarokgaecyn: why do you insist of wanting tu use WIndows programs in the first place?11:18
shadeslayersilv3r_m00n: does it crash as soon as you login?11:18
silv3r_m00nyup11:18
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shadeslayersilv3r_m00n: ok switch to a tty with : ctrl+alt+F1 : and  rename your .kde dir.. : mv .kde .kde_old11:19
gaecynmainly because I have an iphone, and itunes is the only thing that is tying me into windows.11:19
silv3r_m00nshadeslayer: hmm11:20
Mamarokgaecyn: which is called vendor lock-in... next time you buy hardware think first11:20
silv3r_m00nI am in gnome , I can do it here only11:20
gaecynI know that 10.4 provides support for it, but im kind of weary about using it as non itunes solutions to syncing my apple devices lead to currupt my devices11:20
shadeslayersilv3r_m00n: yeah if youre in gnome thats safe11:21
gaecynYou're right, and I had the iphone 2 years ago..i've moved over to linux in the first of this year.11:21
gaecyni mean last year11:21
silv3r_m00nshadeslayer: I renamed it11:22
shadeslayersilv3r_m00n: ok now logout and login via kde11:22
silv3r_m00nafter this upgrade fonts have become strange , they appear bigger and less clear than on karmic koala11:22
shadeslayerill brb11:23
quietonekonqueror is not showing ubuntu forum correctly. characters go off screen to the right/around links is wrong. Other sites OK. How can I fix this? I am new to KDE.11:27
ershadI'm using Ubuntu 9.10 + KDE 4.3. Could you please help me to install/upgrade to KDE 4.4.3 ?11:28
shadeslayerquietone: hold on...11:30
shadeslayerquietone: install : kpart-webkit11:31
quietoneshadeslayer: Ok. I am learning how to configure quassell11:31
shadeslayerquietone: oh.. just press alt+f2 and type : konsole : that will open a terminal.. then type : sudo apt-get install kpart-webkit11:32
ershadCould you please help me ?11:32
shadeslayerershad: um 4.4.3 is not available for karmic i think11:33
ershadshadeslayer: ok, no other way to install it ?11:33
shadeslayerershad: theres 4.4.2 i believe11:33
ershadshadeslayer: fine, could you please tell me how to install it ?11:34
shadeslayerquietone: then go here : http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6674669&postcount=211:34
quietoneshadeslayer: Couldn't find package kpart-webkit11:34
ershadshadeslayer: i tried adding the lucid repo, but didn't work :(11:34
shadeslayerershad: thats dangerous11:35
shadeslayerershad: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa11:35
shadeslayerquietone: do you have universe enabled?11:35
shadeslayerquietone: is this a brand new install?11:35
Zombie__hi11:36
shadeslayerZombie__: hi :)11:36
Zombie__I'm having a problem11:36
quietoneshadeslayer: I don't know. This is a clean install of 10.04. I am still finding my way around in the 'K' world....11:36
shadeslayerquietone: hehe.. well ok,press alt+f2 and type kpk11:37
shadeslayerquietone: click on kpackagekit settings11:37
Zombie__that it, when I loginto my desktop, my resulation get set into 1024*76811:37
ershadshadeslayer:I'm trying..11:37
Zombie__I want to set it by default to 1280*102411:38
asina12Hi, I currently have Ubuntu Karmic with windows Xp, I would like to replace Karmic with Kubuntu Lucid Lynx by fresh install, how can I do this? Can I go to windows and format the partition that ubuntu currently occupies?11:38
quietoneshadeslayer: what is kpk?  man kpk shows nothing.11:38
shadeslayerershad: ok,add that PPA and update,you should get a notice for upgrades11:38
shadeslayerquietone: kpk stands for kpackagekit11:38
ershadshadeslayer: ok, thank you very much, Nice day :)11:38
shadeslayerasina12: that wont be necessary... just grab a live iso and burn it to a CD11:39
Zombie__shadeslayer can you help me?11:39
shadeslayerZombie__: hmm.. well theres a resolution setting module in ksystemsettings11:40
Zombie__yes I am using that11:40
Zombie__every time I log into system11:40
shadeslayerZombie__: what card?11:40
shadeslayergraphics card...11:40
Zombie__Intel dg41rq built in11:40
asina12shadeslayer: then I will boot the live CD to install Kubuntu right? I can simply overwrite the partition occupied by Ubuntu using the LiveCD?11:40
shadeslayerasina12: yes,just choose manual partitioning and overwrite your current ubuntu partition11:41
Zombie__I want to change the default res.11:41
shadeslayerZombie__: hmm.. no idea then...11:41
Zombie__:(11:42
asina12shaheslayer: thanks, just to confirm, there will be no adverse effects on grub?11:42
Zombie__can u guide me to compile latest ktorrent11:42
shadeslayerZombie__: bah.. ktorrent compiles are broken11:42
Zombie__Or can u tell me from where can I get the latest .deb or ktorrent 4.0rc111:42
shadeslayerZombie__: i was trying to compile latest svn.. failed11:42
Zombie__me too11:43
shadeslayerZombie__: you need to compile kdesupport/phonon too...11:43
Zombie__did u install build-essential11:43
shadeslayerZombie__: yes..11:43
Zombie__?11:43
Zombie__duild-dep ktorrent11:43
Zombie__?11:43
Zombie__I need to compile phono too :(11:43
shadeslayerZombie__: you need to compile the latest svn snapshot of phonon to get it working11:43
asina12shadeslayer: thanks, just to confirm, there will be no adverse effects on grub?11:44
Zombie__can u tell me how can I do that?11:44
silv3r_m00nshadeslayer: kde still doesn't start11:44
silv3r_m00nthe screen becomes blank just after those 5 icons are done11:44
silv3r_m00nI renamed .kde to .kde_old11:44
shadeslayersilv3r_m00n: ok press alt+f2 after the 5 icons and type : plasma-desktio11:45
shadeslayerup11:45
shadeslayersilv3r_m00n: *plasma-desktop11:45
silv3r_m00nbtw after upgrading to 10.04 I see a lot of upgrades in synaptic , do I need to complete those ?11:45
ScorpKingshadeslayer: it could be his settings in ~/.kde/ that's cusing that11:45
shadeslayerScorpKing: he did rename his .kde folder...11:47
shadeslayeri fear he has missing packages11:48
alabhey i got it, the splash resolution -> this changed in kern.log >> Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 240x75 << into >> 80x30 << after updating a bunch of packages, but which is responsible?11:48
Zombie__what is ktorrent irc channel?11:48
ScorpKingshadeslayer: if creating a second test user solves the problem you'll know for sure11:48
shadeslayerScorpKing: yeah lets see11:48
silv3r_m00nshadeslayer: plasma-desktop doesn't do anything11:48
shadeslayerZombie__: #ktorrent11:48
shadeslayersilv3r_m00n: ok open a terminal.. and type : sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop11:48
silv3r_m00nactually kde did start after the upgrade , and I played with some font settings , just after that it crashed and doesn't start anymore11:48
shadeslayersilv3r_m00n: btw you renamed ~/.kde right?11:49
silv3r_m00nyup11:49
silv3r_m00nstrange , kubuntu-desktop was installed before the upgrade11:50
shadeslayersilv3r_m00n: and now its not?11:50
silv3r_m00nok installing it11:50
silv3r_m00nyup11:50
shadeslayeryeah thats your problem :)11:50
quietoneshadeslayer: thank you. It does display better (but not good enough for me to use regularly) and the package kit is working now.11:52
silv3r_m00nok kubuntu-desktop installed11:53
silv3r_m00nlet me login to kde11:53
shadeslayerquietone: cool :)11:53
shadeslayerquietone: i hope you have webkit selected as default in view11:54
shadeslayerquietone: also i suggest using rekonq or chromium11:54
shadeslayerthose are better at displaying web pages11:54
mastertheknifeHi.. with what KDE version kubuntu 10.04 ships with?11:54
quietoneshadeslayer: oops. I didn't check. I got distracted by configuring Quassel and playing with the package kit.11:54
shadeslayerquietone: hehe11:55
silv3r_m00nshadeslayer: ok me on kde11:56
silv3r_m00nbut all wallpapers gone11:56
shadeslayersilv3r_m00n: ah.. thats ok11:56
shadeslayersilv3r_m00n: just rename .kde_old to .kde11:56
silv3r_m00nsure ?11:56
quietoneshadeslayer: Ah, that is better now and usable.11:57
shadeslayersilv3r_m00n: yes11:57
silv3r_m00nkewlkewl11:57
shadeslayerquietone: :)11:57
shadeslayerquietone: remember the forum link i sent you? that will help to set this view as default11:57
Torchmastertheknife: according to packages.ubuntu.com (a publicl accessible web site, btw), it ships 4.4.211:59
mastertheknifeTorch: tahnks12:00
mastertheknifethanks*12:00
quietoneshadeslayer: well, you are a helpful one ;-)  That link was/is helpful.12:01
shadeslayerquietone: :)12:01
slow-motionhi12:03
shadeslayerslow-motion: hey :)12:07
slow-motionhi shadeslayer12:07
alabwhat is responsible for this kern.log line? >> [drm] radeon defaulting to kernel modesetting.12:08
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anipyhey there :)  i have kubuntu 10.04 running.  i would like to have a second user on that machine, but with the gnome DE (not gdm etc.).  is ubuntu-desktop the package i want to install?12:41
anipyor is it gnome-desktop-environment?12:42
Tm_Tanipy: prolly ubuntu-desktop12:42
anipyTm_T: thanks. i'll try ubuntu-desktop.  i guess, i can go back again to KDM after the installation.12:45
Tm_Tanipy: it will ask which DM you like to use12:45
Tm_Tif not, then there's a bug12:45
anipyTm_T: cool :)12:46
Tm_Tbut it should not force you to use anything in anycase12:46
Reign1guys, any of you using oracle?12:59
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amrhey guys ... is there is a problem with .bin files and ubuntu 10.04.... i cant execute .bin files ....say to me"No such file or directory"13:00
amrany suggestions ?13:00
jose__well13:02
anipyTm_T: indeed, i was asked to choose between GDM and KDM :)13:03
silv3r_m00nhi there13:05
acocmanhello all13:05
silv3r_m00nI upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04 and see that fonts are now different13:05
silv3r_m00ne.g. Arial fonts doesn't appear proper , it appears kind of stretched13:06
silv3r_m00nI had been using the xml file shown at the end of this page >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fonts  , earlier in karmic koala13:06
silv3r_m00nmoreover normal fonts are bigger than before , taking a lot of screen space13:06
silv3r_m00nhow do I fix that13:07
FinnArild... why is it, when I install a completely ordinary distribution on a completely ordinary (albeit old) pc - I suddenly have max resolution 800x600?13:12
FinnArild(followup question: how do you ever expect mainstream users to be able to use Linux?)13:12
rhorstkoetterhi. are you going to provide KDE SC 4.4.3 packages in kubuntu-backports PPA for karmic koala still?13:13
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Mamarokrhorstkoetter: I doubt that13:17
alabis there a package listing page beside packages.ubuntu.com which lists the newest packages and changelogs?13:18
rhorstkoetterMamarok: hm, pretty unfortunate. Is this an official statement or your very personal estimation?13:18
Mamarokrhorstkoetter: just my personal guess13:18
rhorstkoetterMamarok: I see. thanks13:19
Mamarokrhorstkoetter: but there is not much reason to stay with Karmic, Lucid is an LTS version, so upgrading should not be a problem13:19
rhorstkoetteranyone here taking care of that PPA and thus able to definitely tell me?13:19
Mamarokrhorstkoetter: ask Riddell or apachelogger if they are around13:20
rhorstkoetterMamarok: certainly but I don't see a real reason to update to 10.04 from a short term perspective. The koala works awesome here13:20
Mamarokrhorstkoetter: your choice :)13:21
Riddellrhorstkoetter: no I'm afraid we don't have the resources to provide backports to old releases13:21
rhorstkoetterRiddell: this sounds like an official statement :)13:22
Mamarokrhorstkoetter: it is13:22
rhorstkoetterMamarok: from a long term perspective I will but you know "never touch a running (production) system"13:22
rhorstkoetterRiddell: thanks for clarification13:23
Mamarokrhorstkoetter: which also means do not upgrade to 4.4.3 if you follow that logic?13:23
apacheloggerrhorstkoetter: Of course, if you want to provide backports, we'd be glad to help you create packages :)13:23
rhorstkoetterMamarok: not really. 4.4.3 just is a bugfix release to 4.4.2, not a major version upgrade13:24
rhorstkoetterapachelogger: I fear I lack resources here as well13:24
rhorstkoetterno worries. I just wanted to know. Seems like there is a real reason thinking about a lucid upgrade now13:25
apacheloggerrhorstkoetter: well, should you ever feel like learning packaging ;)13:25
apacheloggerrhorstkoetter: also, KDE's definition of bugfix release is not quite what we regard as bugfix13:25
rhorstkoetterapachelogger: I was just wondering as I used KDE 4.4 backports with karmic very successfully (awesome job) the last few months and it stopped with KDE SC 4.4.2 to my surprise13:26
rhorstkoetterjust wanted to know if it's actually "waiting for godot" or not ;)13:27
apachelogger:)13:27
rhorstkoetterbtw, on another front I migrated my gf to kubuntu 10.04 from windows 7 on the pineview platform and I experienced some serious, I guess ACPI, issues with that13:31
silv3r_m00nhi there13:31
silv3r_m00nfonts in kubuntu 10.04 appear bigger than in 9.10 , how do I fix them ?13:31
rhorstkoetterhave you ever heard of that particular problem (power management, hotkeys etc)?13:32
rhorstkoettersilv3r_m00n: system settings -> appearence13:32
rhorstkoetteri.e. it isn't recognized if I plug the power while running, hotkeys have no effect, lid events aren't recognized13:33
rhorstkoetterI assume this to be an ACPI issue13:33
rhorstkoetterit's an atom n450 (pineview) akoya mini e122213:34
silv3r_m00nhow do I move the widgets in a panel , towards left or right13:37
silv3r_m00nin the bottom panel I have a show desktop widget , want to move it towards left13:37
rhorstkoettersilv3r_m00n: click on the cashew -> add widgets13:39
rhorstkoetternow you can move the widgets within the panel to the desired location13:40
Speziwhenever i start a fullscreen game with a lower resolution than on my desktop, the positions of the icons on my desktop get messed up... is there any way to make them stay where they are?13:40
Speziappearently ive never used a fullscreen game before, because i cant tell if i experienced that behaviour before the update to lucid ;)13:41
silv3r_m00nrhorstkoetter: cool13:43
rhorstkoettersilv3r_m00n: yw13:43
silv3r_m00nrhorstkoetter: but big fonts is a problem13:45
okapi14hello all13:46
rhorstkoettersilv3r_m00n: in what regard?13:46
silv3r_m00nknow what , I used size 9 , now the same size appears big , and size 8 appears too small13:46
silv3r_m00nfont sizing is out of proportion , rendering of arial , tahoma etc fonts is stupid13:46
rhorstkoettersilv3r_m00n: try to play with dpi settings and anti-aliasing13:47
okapi14I just install Kubntu 10.04 on my PC and I am lost. Where to set the root password? How to configure or update package?13:47
rhorstkoetterokapi14: there's no root account in ubuntu by default13:47
silv3r_m00ndpi forced to be 96 , same as before , played with antialiasing a lot , but fonts are bigger than before , say around 20% bigger13:47
rhorstkoetterokapi14: you may use "sudo passwd root" to enable it13:48
rhorstkoetterokapi14: packages are handled with kpackagekit if you prefer GUIs13:49
rhorstkoetterI myself use apt-get and friends13:49
Spezirhorstkoetter: wasn'/t kpackagekit replaced with software-center or something?13:50
rhorstkoettersilv3r_m00n: not use about that one. I don't know about other opportunities like font size, dpi and anti-aliasing13:50
rhorstkoetterSpezi: in Ubuntu, not in Kubuntu13:50
Speziyeah, well, we're in #kubuntu here? ;)13:50
rhorstkoetterSpezi: but all of these are frontends to apt-get13:50
rhorstkoetterSpezi: seems we are13:50
Tm_TSpezi: yes, so it's kapckagekit for us (:13:50
rhorstkoetter:)13:50
Speziso why do i have software-center then? :o13:51
rhorstkoetterSpezi: cause you installed it?13:51
Spezino i didn'/t ... i always do package stuff without gui13:52
Speziwell .. who cares13:52
okapi14rhorstkoetter: ok, the root is set but the packagekit seems very basic. There is nothing better in GUI?13:54
rhorstkoetterokapi14: I don't use GUIs for package managment. you may install synaptic13:54
Spezifunny enough i don'/t have kpackagekit.. well, again .. who cares13:54
okapi14rhorstkoetter: pretty good the apt-get, but how you do to find new software out there for you to install them?13:56
Spezihm, this one's getting weird.. software-center depends on nautilus which i'm absolutely sure i haven'/t installed xD13:56
Speziokapi14: well, you should know what you want ;)13:56
rhorstkoetterokapi14: try "apt-cache search"13:56
okapi14spezi: :)) some time you need to try new stuff...13:57
silv3r_m00ndoesn't kubuntu 10.04 kde use .fonts.conf file for font configuration ?13:57
Speziokapi14: yeah, well, then i google whatever i need, pick out the one that serves my wishes best, and then get it using apt-get ;)13:58
rhorstkoetterSpezi: I don't know what you did but I have kpackagekit with a fresh 10.04 install, same in 9.1013:58
Spezirhorstkoetter: yeah, i remember i had kpackagekit in 9.10 .. something got messed up during the update i would say .. well.. i don'/t really care. just thought it funny .. as i said, i use apt-get and friends anyway13:59
okapi14spezi: synaptic work better for the base, help to setup a new system fast. then the google work after. :) like also the "apt-search cache" option...13:59
rhorstkoetterSpezi: same here. I like my shell ;)14:00
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okapi14rhorstkoetter: thanks buddy, I was about to delete Kubuntu...:)14:01
rhorstkoetterokapi14: yw14:01
rhorstkoetterokapi14: never give up too fast ;)14:01
okapi14rhorstkoetter: I will keep that in mind ;) thanks14:02
rhorstkoetterokapi14: ... and avoid the pineview platform for now .. this seems to have real issues14:02
rhorstkoetter:(14:02
okapi14rhorstkoetter: what is the pineview?14:03
rhorstkoetterokapi14: the new atom platform, pine trail netbooks with n450 processor14:03
okapi14rhorstkoetter: ok14:04
rhorstkoettermy gf bought one of these and I have big troubles to get rid of Win 714:04
rhorstkoetteri.e. to get linux orking14:04
rhorstkoetters/orking/working14:04
vuxiHi14:04
vuxiwhat ***** programmed the birthday reminder in the contact calender. Total crap14:10
vuxiall information is stored in a vcf file.14:10
vuxiPerson a: born june 1986 --> calender displays 24 years. Correct person has its 24th birthday14:10
vuxiPerson b: born july 1985 --> calender displays 24 years. No  person has its 25th birthday14:10
rhorstkoettervuxi: report a bug to upstream14:12
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bobyhello14:29
bobyanybody alive14:31
boby?14:31
iconmefisto!ask14:32
ubottuPlease don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)14:32
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Benkinoobyhi, i want to set up a vnc session my self (not using pinky-winky kde-tools). this for, i connect by vpn to a network, where i get a public ip (no problem, works) and want to start a vnc server, that displays my monitor. up to now, i only managed to view gui (on display :1) which is not my gui. how can i share my desktop, instead of opening a new session for the remote user?14:48
silv3r_m00nhi there14:50
silv3r_m00nin kde arial font is looking like this >> http://img532.imageshack.us/i/fontfb.png/14:50
silv3r_m00narial isn't supposed to look like that14:50
silv3r_m00nhow do I fix it ?14:50
iconmefistosilv3r_m00n: what's wrong? is it another font? looks like arial to me14:52
silv3r_m00narial is a bit tall14:52
silv3r_m00nit isn't round like that14:52
silv3r_m00nlook at the big white box14:53
silv3r_m00nThe Quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog14:53
silv3r_m00nthat line14:53
iconmefistosilv3r_m00n: why are you forcing fonts to 96 DPI? maybe switching off forced font size will help?14:53
silv3r_m00ndone enough playing with dpi and antialiasing settings14:54
silv3r_m00nnothing is helping14:54
silv3r_m00nin karmic the fonts were really good , upgraded to lucid today and fonts appear strange14:54
silv3r_m00nsome have become tall , some short  , some roundish etc14:54
silv3r_m00nI have written a small post about this here >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9254793#post925479314:55
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iconmefistosilv3r_m00n: which graphics driver are you using?15:05
silv3r_m00nintel dg35ec motherboard15:05
silv3r_m00nubuntu installed the drivers itself15:05
iconmefistoand your screen res is detected correctly?15:06
silv3r_m00neverything else is fine15:07
silv3r_m00njust this droid font is slightly taller , say 20%15:07
silv3r_m00nnot that its looking too  bad , but earlier it was too good15:07
silv3r_m00nI mean in karmic koala15:07
eagles0513875hey BluesKaj15:08
BluesKajhiyas15:08
BluesKajhey eagles051387515:08
iconmefistosilv3r_m00n: do you have a lucid livecd? I'm wondering if the problem is actually lucid, or something wrong with config files after the upgrade15:08
silv3r_m00nno , I downloaded the alternate cd and ran it15:09
progre55he people15:10
silv3r_m00nprogre55: ya tell15:11
progre55hey*15:11
silv3r_m00nprogre55: ya , what next15:11
progre55I've noticed that doing some mouse actions on the upper-left corner of the screen, you get that window-list like in mac =)15:11
silv3r_m00nya you get15:12
silv3r_m00nso ?15:12
progre55but I'm having the hardest time repeating that.. it happens like once out of 10 tries =)15:12
silv3r_m00nhmm, something wrong with your mouse15:12
silv3r_m00nare the other mouse actions fine elsewhere ?15:13
progre55what are the exact actions? do you need to scroll? or just point the pointer on the corner?15:13
progre55or what?15:13
progre55silv3r_m00n: well I'm using my laptop touchpad.. so that might be the problem)15:13
silv3r_m00nI see15:13
progre55will need to try it using a usb mouse15:14
silv3r_m00nare you new to laptop touchpads ?15:14
silv3r_m00nya that's a good idea15:14
progre55huh, I've been using laptops for 3 years now )15:14
silv3r_m00ngr8 , then the laptop must be old15:14
progre55nope.. but this one a month ago.. a new sony vaio15:14
silv3r_m00nhmm15:14
progre55silv3r_m00n: so do I just need to drag the pointer to the corner?15:15
progre55or any specific actions?15:15
silv3r_m00nyes , that shud do15:15
silv3r_m00nI mean click too , like a tap15:15
progre55oh, let me try that )15:15
progre55oh, awesome! now I got 5 out of 5 tries :)15:16
iconmefistoprogre55: you need to get the mouse all the way in the top left corner, as far as it will go15:16
progre55iconmefisto: thanks man )15:16
iconmefistoprogre55: btw, you can configure these actions in systemsettings, desktop, screen edges15:17
progre55oh cool15:18
shane2perudoes someone know of a drop down terminal that is borderless for kde something similar to guake for gnome?15:23
Tm_Tyaquake?15:23
DarthFrogshane2peru: Yes, it's called "yakuake"15:23
Tm_Tyea, that one15:23
shane2peruahh, thanks DarthFrog15:24
DarthFrogyou're welcome.15:24
shane2perumaking another attempt to learn and stick with kde, like the new 4 look.15:24
DarthFrogThere's a lot to like about KDE 4 now.15:25
* Tm_T is just testing kwin tiling and tabbing15:25
DarthFrogThough I do wish more of the Ubuntu innovations made it into Kubuntu.15:26
shane2peruDarthFrog: yes, I always liked the new 4 look, tried it early on, but wasn't ready to switch over, just switched back to t-Bird instead of evolution, that was holding me back because of syncing my Palm treo with evolution and desktop integration15:26
DarthFrogshane2peru: I use Thunderbird myself, in preference to kmail.15:27
shane2peruDarthFrog: well, believe me when I say I didn't like evolution for its mail features! lol, only for desktop integration and palm syncing15:27
DarthFrogKmail is a great mail client for everything except HTML mail.  It sux for HMTL.15:27
shane2peruI will still have to look into kontact and calendar for syncing with palm, and syncing with google, but later.15:28
DarthFrogDo you use kpilot?15:28
shane2peruDarthFrog: yes, I used it before, and evolution was a little better at that part, I never could get a signature into kmail15:28
shane2peruDarthFrog: well, not yet, but plan on it.15:28
shane2peruI'm done distro hopping, but not quite done desktop hopping, lol. :)15:29
DarthFrogWell, that's the thing.  Whether you choose KDE or GNOME, you can still use the other's apps.15:29
shane2peruDarthFrog: yes, but I really hate mixing them, they work, but there are always little annoyances for me.15:30
shane2peruDarthFrog: does kontact and calendar for kde sync with google fairly easily?15:31
DarthFrog:-)  Nothing's ferpect.15:31
shane2perulol, that is true.15:31
DarthFrogNo idea, I don't use that facility.15:31
shane2peruso long as that is understood, everyone will be happier.15:31
DarthFrogYou can always ask for a refund.  Both KDE and GNOME come with a money-back guarantee. :-)15:32
shane2peruhowever with windows you had to pay for the imperfections!  lol15:32
shane2perulol, my thoughts exactly15:32
iconmefisto!info akonadi-kde-resource-googledata15:41
ubottuakonadi-kde-resource-googledata (source: akonadi-googledata): Google calendar and contacts resource for Akonadi. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.0.1-1build1 (lucid), package size 97 kB, installed size 484 kB15:41
iconmefistoshane2peru: that package makes syncing google calendar (and google contacts?) with kde pim programs relatively simple15:42
shane2peruiconmefisto: ok, great, I will have to look at that, I just opened KDE Pim and it says that Akonadi has problems so contacts didn't show up, any quick fixes?15:43
Torchshane2peru: http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi_4.4/Troubleshooting15:44
iconmefistoshane2peru: none that I know of. I had problems with akonadi up until lucid. now it "just works" and I'm afraid to touch any settings :)15:44
shane2peruTorch: ok, thanks, I will look at it, I really haven't used it, so if I sudo apt-get purge akonadi and then re-install it, in theory that should fix any errors?15:46
Torchshane2peru: not at all.15:46
shane2peruTorch: ok, well I will have to look through the documents, akonadi is something new, or at least new to me.15:47
mavErikhi, someone know an application to convert mkv file to avi?16:00
iconmefistomavErik: vlc could probably do it16:01
mavEriki have to open the mkv with vlc and save it in avi?16:01
iconmefistomavErik: I think there is something like "convert and save" in vlc's file menu16:02
DarthFrogWouldn't that result in a major loss in video quality?16:03
mavErikiconmefisto: oks, thanks! now i see16:03
LylatHi, how I can remove folders for places in Menu Kick Off?16:21
LylatHi, how I can remove folders to Places in Menu?16:22
TorchLylat: in dolphin16:23
LylatYes16:23
LylatIn kick Off Menu16:23
LylatIn Computer--->Places16:24
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Reign1so there is no working skype for 10.04 yet?17:16
KoliaReign1: i'm talking to a friend on skype at the moment17:16
Koliaand he is on 10.0417:16
Koliaso obviously there is.17:16
Zorixi cant seem to assign meta+e to dolphin in the menu editor, it says its binded but when i press meta+e it just types e to whatever textbox im focused in, any idea why?17:17
silvermoonhi there17:17
Gamarok_well you can use some plugin for kopete and pidgin if there is'nt17:17
BluesKajReign1, I have skype static version installed on lucid...works fine17:17
silvermoonare there font problems in 10.0417:17
silvermoonin 9.10 fonts were very good , but after upgrading to 10.04 i see that fonts are that beautiful17:18
silvermoonsome of them are taller , some are shorter , for the same settings17:18
Zorixseems fine to me17:19
Zorixbut i didnt upgrade17:19
BluesKajReign1, look for skype_static-2.1.0.81 , it's an open source file in bz217:19
Reign1BluesKaj: ok thanks17:19
silvermooni am sure there is some problem with fonts in 10.0417:20
silvermooni tried many fonts , most are looking non-perfect like they were in 9.1017:20
BluesKajsilvermoon, are they legible ?17:21
silvermoonya good more or less , not that bad , but earlier they were too good17:21
BluesKajsilvermoon, like I say about minor issues (to me at least) , what do ya want for free ? :)17:23
BluesKajsilvermoon, i'm sure these issues will be resolved soon , this being an LTS version there will more attn paid to fixing fonts.17:24
silvermoon1i got dc17:25
Gamarok_BluesKaj lisen i gotta go mate, oh and if you see eagles tell him i said hi anyway you takecare man.17:25
BluesKajok Gamarok_17:25
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kubunterooHello Having a little issue with the live CD apparently it's spittin a resolution or refresh rate too high for my monitor17:26
kubunteroowhen it flips to X my monitor light starts blinking17:27
kubunterooAny idea how to get it to calm down a little17:28
rekonerwhat is this17:32
rekonerquassel --help17:32
rekonerhmmm17:33
Picirekoner: This is the Kubuntu Support Channel17:33
BluesKajkubunteroo, can you see the options page , i think there's ar res choice in the help section17:33
Reign1how to install bitmap fonts and make them permanent on my terminal/console17:34
Reign1?17:34
BluesKajrekoner, try #quassel17:34
kubunterooBluesKaj: the options page?17:34
rekonerwhat is a support channel17:35
rekoner??17:35
kubunteroorekoner: if you need help with anything17:35
kubunteroo we can help as long as it's Kubuntu related17:35
BluesKajkubunteroo, yes after boot , the options choices that come up , where it asks what you would like to do17:35
kubunterooSo if you have questions or need help fixing something that's broken we can do that17:36
rekonerok   i have a question how am i talking to you people17:36
kubunterooBluesKaj: Ah the menu. Right safe graphics mode17:36
kubunteroo Forgot about that haven't used it in ages17:36
kubunteroorekoner: This is an IRC channel. Don't need to know much about it except that it's a server that allows "rooms" for people to talk in17:37
BluesKajkubunteroo, you may be able to set a lower res there17:37
rekonerwhy do you need a low res kubunteroo17:37
kubunteroorekoner: If you have a topic that you want to talk about there is a "room" for it and people with the same interest. This one is about Kubuntu17:37
rekonerwhats the problem17:37
kubunteroorekoner: My monitor is very old. It's not ready for the high resolution that the Live CD is capable of so it jsut shuts it self off17:38
rekonerno no i'll tell you what to do17:38
kubunterooI'm going to reboot and see if I can get it to give me a lower resolution and then I can come back and talk here in colour :)17:38
rekonerwhile booting replace the text quite splash by nomodeset17:38
rekonerit'll work17:38
rekonertrust me17:38
BluesKajrekoner,  if you need help with quassel, the #quassel room might help17:39
rekoneri getting the hang of this17:39
BluesKajrekoner, quiet splash17:39
rekoneryeah it appears when you enter your cd like in a line that you can edit17:40
rekoneror i think you can press f6 and select nomodeset from there17:40
rekoneri had this problem too17:40
rekoneryeah press f6 and select nomodeset17:41
rekoneris everybody here from sri lanka17:42
rekoner???17:42
BluesKajeverybody/17:42
BluesKaj?17:42
rekoneri mean are all of you from sri lanka17:42
apparleno... I'm from India17:42
BluesKajrekoner, of course not17:42
rekonerooh india thats close17:43
shadeslayerhehe.. im from india too :P17:43
shadeslayerrekoner: yeah you could just fly over for help :P17:43
bazhang!ot17:43
ubottu#kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!17:43
BluesKajrekoner, what made you think that everyone here is from sri lanaka ?17:44
BluesKajoops sri lanka17:44
rekoneri dont know i thought it was a local support channel17:44
rekonersorry about that17:44
apparle:D17:45
shadeslayerrekoner: nope.. this is the general support channel :)17:45
BluesKajlocal , like global local maybe :)17:45
BluesKajthis planet :)17:45
rekonerhow do i go to #kubuntu-offtopic17:45
shadeslayerrekoner: /join #channel-name17:46
BluesKajrekoner, click on it17:46
BluesKajbbl....17:47
rekonerwhat does bbl mean17:48
apparlerekoner: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Internet_slang17:50
rekoner vuuuuuuuazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzynv17:52
rekonersry abt that17:52
kubunterorekoner: hi17:52
kubunteroBluesKaj: no go17:52
rekonerdid the nomodeset work17:53
rekonerkubuntero did it work17:53
kubunterorekoner: Oh that's what nomodeset is?17:54
kubunteroI dropped to single user and tried failsafe graphics17:55
kubunterowhich broke something. Seems to expect gdm >_>17:55
kubunteroOk lets try nomodeset17:55
rekoneru do that man17:55
rekonerall the best17:55
rekoneru there kubuntero17:58
kubunterorekoner: yes17:58
kubunteroreading up on nomodeset17:58
rekonerwhat does that mean reading up17:59
rekoneri am sorry if my english is a little rusty17:59
kubunterorekoner: I just went on google and searched for it to see what nomodeset does18:00
rekoneroh and?18:00
kubunterorekoner: Your english is good. Which language do you speak?18:00
kubunterorekoner: Seems that will solve the problem but let us see :)18:01
rekonermy native toungue is sinhala18:01
kubunteroAh ok :)18:02
rekonerwell lets keep our fingers crossed and hope it works it did it for me18:02
kubunteroGreat thanks :)18:03
kubuntero that's Sri Lanka?18:03
kubuntero!lk18:05
ubottulk is Sri Lanka. If you want support in Sinhalese, get in to #ubuntu-lk18:05
rekonerwhat is ubottu18:05
kubunterorekoner: A robot. Does helpful tasks18:05
kubunterolike welcoming people18:05
kubuntero!hi | rekoner18:05
ubotturekoner: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines . Enjoy your stay!18:05
kubunteroAlso will kick people who are being too noisy18:06
kubuntero!msgthebot18:06
ubottuPlease investigate with me only with "/msg ubottu Bot" or in #ubuntu-bots.  Search for factoids with "/msg ubottu !search factoid".18:06
iconmefistokubuntero: instead of nomodeset, you could also try set gfxpayload=1024x768 (or whatever is your monitor's native resolution)18:06
kubunterorekoner: You can talk with ubottu by doing the above ^^18:06
kubunteroiconmefisto: ah thanks. gfxpayload is really undiscoverable : ) but useful it sounds like18:07
rekonerwhy would i want to talk to a bot18:07
kubunteroiconmefisto: Away I go18:07
kubunterorekoner: it has lots of information on various ubuntu and kubuntu related topics18:07
kubuntero!kde318:07
ubottuKubuntu 8.04 ships with KDE3 and full support. Jaunty does not include KDE3 but a remix install CD can be obtained at  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty . This is not officially supported. Support, instructions and ways to contribute can be found on the wiki page18:07
kubunteroFor example18:07
kubunteroI'm off18:08
iconmefistokubuntero: just remember it's "set gfxpayload=1024x768" you need the word "set" there18:08
rekoneri think he left18:08
rekonericonmesfisto18:09
iconmefisto!tab | rekoner18:09
ubotturekoner: You can use your <tab> key for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.18:09
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rekonerubottu:  i dont like you bot18:13
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)18:13
rekonerdamn right you aren't18:14
bazhangrekoner, do you have a support issue?18:14
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bazhangrekoner, chat in #kubuntu-offtopic please18:14
rekonerbazhang:  alright .......18:15
okapi14rhorstkoetter: are you still here?18:15
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SJ_ZeroHi folks, I've got a question. Is there a widget to get a menu with bookmarks on my kicker bar? (think it's still called that....)18:18
okapi14anyone knows where to find a list of repositories?18:18
bazhang!repos18:18
ubottuThe packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories18:18
kubunteronomodeset works wel enough :)18:19
bazhangokapi14, on your system? the list? or ones worldwide18:19
RaGNORAKhi i am having a problem with the lucid lynx18:19
okapi14bazhang: the list and the worldwide for different applications18:20
RaGNORAKthe kubuntu boot up screen was working properly till i installed my graphics driver now it looks very sketchy18:20
bazhangokapi14, well the command in konsole is cat /etc/apt/sources.list to view them; did you need to add some repos? find faster ones?18:21
SJ_ZeroI'm setting up a computer for a friend, and he's used to having the "favorites" menu on the start menu. I'd like to give him something similar, and I'm sure I remember being able to do it in KDE3...18:21
rekoneryeah i have a probelm too whenever i activate a drive my pc would boot up but then it would go blank apprently nvida185 doesnt support g210m type card and a lot of people are having this problem but the nvida site says tha 195 should work but i cant find it in the repos18:22
kubunterorekoner: thanks :)18:22
c3lhow can I set 24 hour time for the standard clock on the standard panel?18:22
okapi14bazhang: i want find some repositories and add them18:22
bazhangokapi14, which ones?18:22
rekonerkubuntero:  did it work18:22
kubunteroYes18:23
kubunteroI have the GUI now18:23
rekonergood for you man18:23
okapi14bazhang: repositories for opera browser and Abiword.18:23
apparleSJ_Zero: when you click on kmenu, there is already a favourites menu18:24
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bazhang!find abiword18:24
ubottuFound: abiword, abiword-common, abiword-plugin-grammar, abiword-plugin-mathview, libabiword-2.8 (and 2 others)18:24
SJ_ZeroThat's favurite applications, I'm talking internet bookmarks.18:24
bazhangokapi14, abiword is already in the repos18:24
okapi14bazhang: thanks18:25
bazhang!opera18:25
ubottuOpera is an advanced, fast and free (as in beer) web browser. It is packaged for easy installation into Ubuntu. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser18:25
bazhangokapi14, ^^18:25
apparleSJ_Zero: I am not sure of this but check if there is a widget for your purpose.18:26
rekonerkubuntero:  mate after the installation press esc during grub load and press e to edit and replace quite splash with nomodeset and press ctrl x to boot after that you might wanna install the current driver for your card18:26
SJ_ZeroI've tried searching, but I can't find anything. I find that really surprising, since as I mentioned I'm certain I had that menu in kde3.18:26
kubunterorekoner: Yeah I think the current driver works too well :)18:26
okapi14bazhang: yes, opera browser. This one I find it. thanks again18:26
rekonerkubuntero: oh that's good anyway man i gotta go it's like 11 30 here and i've had a really big day so you take care man18:28
kubunterorekoner: later. Hope your driver issue gets a solution18:29
rekoneryeah i hope it does too anyways talk to you tommorow good night bro18:31
vadi01any lenovo t510 users here?18:52
kubunterovadi01: Ask your question18:52
guillomhi18:53
kubuntero!hi | guillom18:53
ubottuguillom: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines . Enjoy your stay!18:53
guillomis MySQL automatically installed when installing Kubuntu, to allow Akonadi to work?18:53
vadi01kubuntero: need help with the finget print reader. which software do i use for it and also te nvidea card is not getting detected. when i click hardware. says no proprietory drivers found. how to solve that?18:54
sheldonamarok needs taglib 1.6.3 to work well please update19:00
edgard01hola19:01
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vadi01guys in the think pad ibm does the antishock thing work where the drive is locked when laptop is moved?19:15
vadi01guys i bought a lenovo thinkpad. please tell me is it possible to use the finger print driver?19:18
vadi01i mean to use the finger print?19:18
Picivadi01: Take a look here: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_enable_the_fingerprint_reader_with_ThinkFinger19:21
PiciAlso thinkwiki.org is great for linux/thinkpad information19:21
vadi01Pici: yea but i get an error usb device not found when i run tf-tool --acquire19:23
kalipushey what is the default calculator on kde?19:28
kalipuswhere are the notes from the plasma widget are saved?19:30
vadi01whats the path to edit grub menu?19:31
Tweykalipus: kcalc19:33
kalipusno19:33
kalipusbecause it is not installed :)19:33
espereguanyone can help me on disabling emulate3buttons on X ? It worked on 9.10 but now I can't get it to work19:34
slow-motionhi19:39
cuzntE: ubuntustudio-audio: subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 119:42
cuznti get that trying to uninstall19:43
cuzntE: /var/cache/apt/archives/ubuntustudio-audio_0.70_amd64.deb: subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 119:44
gottvvv19:56
ratdoghow can i enable desktop cube?19:58
ratdoglol20:01
avengernabend allerseits20:05
ratdoghow can i enable desktop cube?20:07
Reign1guys, how to make my panel/taskbar transparent?20:08
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derekuldose anyone know how i get dvd's to play on kubuntu20:17
genii!dvd20:17
ubottuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/musicvideophotos/C/video.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats20:17
geniiderekul: Also might want to see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu20:19
crazy6a packge is broken! the sky is falling!20:21
madsdydAnyone that can can help me with boot problems? After upgrading to (k)ubuntu 10.4, I am unable to boot successfully to anything but init=/bin/bash. Seems the new init stuff enter some kind of weird loop20:24
romehi room!20:48
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lelamalhi all, I was wondering: can I deactivate tray icons for bluetooth and printer? They show at startup even if I don't have bluetooth, nor a printer connected20:49
raindoglelamal: Right click on the tray.  Then look for autohide entry on the left side.20:53
raindogIn System Tray Settings.20:53
lelamalraindog: thanks for that, I know it20:54
lelamalbut I'd rather not have them appear at all20:54
lelamalis there a way, or do we need to bear with them?20:54
romelelamal: if you don't need it, you can uninstall it20:55
lelamalrome: you see, I do have a printer, I don't want to uninstall it. I just don't see a reason for the icons to show regardless20:55
lelamalthe tray is so cluttered with useless icons, that if I unhide it it fills half the lower panel20:56
cuzntanything i try to update install i get E: /var/cache/apt/archives/ubuntustudio-audio_0.70_amd64.deb: subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 120:58
cuznti can do nothing20:58
romei just wanted to say, that my new kernel 6...23 won't boot. update failed. X won't start. i am still at 22. but thx for fixing the bug with the kubuntu boot screen!20:58
romelelamal: i don't know how to get rid of that20:58
romelelamal: but you can uninstall the bluetooth thing, like i did20:58
lelamalrome: yeah, that's true at least, thanks for that.20:59
cuzntE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) <~~ terminal error20:59
Reign1guys, how to make my panel/taskbar transparent?20:59
lelamalReign1: unless I'm mistaken, it gets transparent when you activate desktop effects in system settings21:01
Reign1got it, thanks21:01
lelamalyou're welcome21:03
boristwo questions about the new kde: sometimes a pop-up window hides in the back (it took me a week to notice!) i can't find the setting for that!21:22
borisand what is the deal with window tabbing?? how do i turn it on / use it??21:22
dolomiteboris: what kind of setting do you need to find for the popup window? is it a popup from your browser?21:23
borisfor example, kpackagekit asking for a password]21:23
borisfor example, kpackagekit asking for a password21:23
dolomiteboris: doesn't it flash from your taskbar?21:23
liddellTo use window tabbing you can just right click on a titlebar and there should be an option to group it with another21:23
borisdolomite: i don't use the taskbar21:24
borisliddell: there is no such option anywhere21:24
dolomiteboris: OK, then it might be in systemsettings under notifications or something. you might be able to configure it to be on top.21:24
markithi, I've added ppa repo to lynx, but doint aptitude update I have: bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.; Err http://ppa.launchpad.net lucid/main Packages ; Sub-process /bin/bzip2 returned an error code (2)21:25
markitany tip?21:25
liddellHum, well I'd check it out myself and help you further but I can't log in right now :P21:25
markit(was trying to upgrade to kde 4.4.3)21:25
borisdolomite: it is not in any of the four in general > look & feel. looked there already. maybe did not find it, looking again at the moment21:26
blue112Hi here.21:26
dolomitemarkit: i thought the ppa is "ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa"21:26
blue112I have a problem with Kate using sftp : When I try to save a file, I have a access denied message to a ".part" file... I have all rights on the directory and the file. What can I do to fix that ?21:27
dolomiteboris: or under system notifications?21:27
markitdolomite: in /etc/apt I have deb "http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu lucid main" is it ok?21:28
borisdolomite: as i said, i did not find it there, or in window behaviour, or in appearance, or in desktop. i have been looking (and googling) for about 45mins now. probably there but too dumb to see it21:28
dolomitemarkit: you're just trying to install KDE 4.4.3 right? I believe all you need is "ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa"21:29
dolomiteboris: that kind of stuff always comes to me after I've looked at it for long. I'm not on my K machine right now. sorry.21:29
guillomHi. Is the mysql-server package installed during Kubuntu's installation? If so, when is the MySQL root account created?21:29
markitdolomite: "add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa" produces that repo in the sources.list21:29
liddellSo when I opened my notebook today, it had been on and shut all night, I just got an illuminated black screen, and rebooting now takes me to the terminal. I've tried using dpkg-reconfigure --all just to kind of refresh any settings and I've tried booting a liveCD and replacing my xorg.conf with the xorg.conf.failsafe and I'm still getting the terminal. I'm stuck, I don't know how to diagnose this - Any ideas?21:30
borisit's fine, at least i noticed.21:30
borisdolomite: thank you for the help anyway21:30
dolomitemarkit: for the sake of troubleshooting, try commenting out that line and adding ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa21:32
markitdolomite: what do you mean with "adding ppa:.."? where?21:32
markitin sources.list? is not the right string format21:33
dolomiteliddell: so if you type "sudo service kdm start" from the terminal, what happens?21:33
markitdolomite: can't you just check your sources.list and/or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/kubuntu-ppa-ppa-lucid.list ?21:33
liddelldolomite: "start: Job is already running: kdm"21:34
dolomitemarkit: what do you want me to check for?21:34
borisdolomite: a general problem of kubuntu at the moment are the relatively sparse help files. especially the user interface settings. some of the options are not even mentioned, and often there is no clear explanation. clicking around and trying out often doesn't help, as those settings only matter in weird cases, and i can't even figure out when...21:34
markitdolomite:  if in the repo you have the same " deb "http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu lucid main", and try an aptitude update to check if you got the same error I have21:34
dolomiteliddell: let's have a look at your ~/.xsession-errors. please post to paste.ubuntu.com21:35
liddelljust type that and post it there?21:35
dolomitemarkit: I'm not on my K machine right now21:35
borisdolomite: bitching about it is not helping anyone, i know21:35
dolomiteboris: I agree with you. KDE4 has a lot of cool features but, most of the time, I'm not interested in messing around until I understand them.21:36
markitdolomite: ok, thanks anyway21:36
dolomiteliddell, you have no graphics right? so you're only in command line?21:37
belakSo, how can I remove the notifications in the systray for kopete?21:37
liddellYes, although I could boot into a liveCD. I'm using my work station right now21:38
dolomiteliddell, it's your choice but I'd like to see the output of "cat ~/.xsession-errors"21:38
dolomiteso you can either use pastebinit from command line or do it in a graphical environment21:38
avihayany one here uses iBus? how do I make the trey icon display the current language? or is there another way to show the current language, like an applet?21:39
Reign1cant set desktop effects, what to do, change X settings or?21:39
liddellAlright, I'm a lot more comfortable in a graphical environment so just a minute. I really appreciate the help.21:40
dolomiteliddell: I'll do what I can21:40
valentin_eh21:43
valentin_les gens21:44
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dolomite!fr | valentin_21:46
ubottuvalentin_: Ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr, ou #ubuntu-qc. Merci.21:46
Fr-valde rien21:47
opengeekv2hello21:47
Fr-valsalut21:47
opengeekv2someone  could help me with a problem wtih a recent installed kubuntu lucid desktop i386?21:48
jbichaanyone having problems with Gnome apps in KDE 4.4.3 ?21:50
opengeekv2@jibicha i don't know21:54
opengeekv2@jibicha I have porblems after the lasts updates21:54
jbichafor instance, gwibber won't start and I have an issue with gramps21:54
opengeekv2@jibicha the X don start21:54
jbichaoh, gwibber won't start on 4.4.2 either, I guess it's just the gramps issue then for me21:57
mimehi all, does anyone know how to delete the ''Documents'' folder content in ubuntu  9.04, thank u! it says i dont have permissions... tried in properties but no result :( thnx.21:58
opengeekv2@mime22:00
mimeheeey22:00
avihayhow can you setup kubuntu to work with multiple languages like in windows?22:01
gionnicoHello!22:01
opengeekv2@mime you have to open nautilus with root permissions22:01
gionnicoWhat's better ubuntu+kde or kubuntu?22:01
dolomite!best | gionnico22:01
ubottugionnico: Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots.22:01
mimecool22:01
mimethnx22:01
mime1 sec22:01
opengeekv2@mime open a terminal and type sudo nautilus22:02
gionnicowhat's more stable?22:02
avihaygionnico: kubuntu-desktop installs some extra stuff you'd want with kde22:02
mimeyeah, in ''run'' are with chain22:02
opengeekv2@mime but why do you want to erase the Documents Folder?22:02
mimeonly its content22:03
gionnicoavihay: but everybody use ubuntu22:03
gionnicoso if there's a bug it will be fixed in ubuntu first22:03
gionnicoand ubuntu has more recent software22:03
avihayinstalling kubuntu-desktop and all the recommended packages is (supposed to be exacly) the same as installing kubuntu22:03
Reign1guys, how to make transparent panel on 10.04?22:03
blue112I have a problem with Kate using sftp : When I try to save a file, I have a access denied message to a ".part" file... I have all rights on the directory and the file. What can I do to fix that ?22:03
mimebecause they accidentaly dropped there the files of audio and theyre very heavy, i have them in my desktop also, u know? twice22:03
avihaykubuntu and ubuntu have the same package source - the canonical repositories, so they update at the same time22:04
opengeekv2@mime instead of ereasing the folder erase the contents22:04
mimeyeah, i did it22:04
gionnicoah ok so if i have ubuntu22:04
mimemaybe i explain wrong22:04
gionnicoi can just apt-get install kubuntu-desktop22:04
dolomiteReign1, that's controlled by your desktop theme22:04
gionnicoand that's it22:04
gionnicothen i can also unmerge gnome?22:04
mimenow it is ok, then for ur kindness22:04
mimethnx 4 ur kindnes and cya man22:05
avihaygionnico: you can do the remove ubuntu procedure from here: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce22:06
opengeekv2@mime bye22:07
avihayhow can you setup kubuntu to work with multiple languages like in windows?22:07
cuzntE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) <~~ terminal error i can not instaqll or un install anything either by terminal or synaptic22:08
yofelReign1: as said that's controlled by the theme, and you need to have compositing enabled for a transparent panel22:08
yofelcuznt: can you please pastebin the full error?22:09
avihaygionnico: I mean the process to remove gnome-desktop22:09
gionnicoso http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde22:09
gionnicohehe22:09
avihayyhe, didn't find it22:09
Reign1yofel: i set compositing active, but still get message that the following effects could not be activated and list of all effects ive tried to enable22:10
jbichaok, I reported my KDE 4.4.3 issue as bug 57720022:10
dolomiteyofel: on my machine, compositing is not required for transparent panel22:11
Reign1bah, it didnt work with opengl, xrender makes it work22:11
Reign1got it22:11
belakAlright, I installed kubuntu 10.04 and I have been plagued with problems trying to get nvidia to work... essentially I have installed nvidia-173 and the kernel source but xorg fails to start, giving me a module nvidia not found22:11
pingvenohttp://www.catsforgold.com/22:11
pingvenooh22:11
pingvenooops22:11
pingvenowrong channel22:11
FloodBotK3pingveno: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.22:11
yofeloh? didn't know that, oxygen doesn't use a transparent panel without compositing here22:11
* pingveno goes over to reddit22:11
zushello22:12
dolomitebelak: please follow method 2 in http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3107406.022:12
dolomiteas close as you can.22:12
cuznthttp://pastebin.org/20809822:12
belakdolomite: I don't have a browser, as I have no X22:12
dolomiteeveryone has at least 2 computers these days!22:12
dolomite:)22:13
belakdolomite: Nope. Just me and my laptop.22:13
kubuntero!purekde22:13
belakI'll use w3m, I suppose22:13
dolomitebelak: how did you install the 173 proprietary driveR?22:13
kubuntero!search 17322:13
belakdolomite: yes, through jockey22:13
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maurii nned halp for my scanner cannon lide10022:14
cuzntyoful http://pastebin.org/20809822:14
yofelkubuntero: if you are searching for nvidia use the 'nvidia-173' package in lucid and nvidia-glx-173 in older releases22:14
yofelkubuntero: or just use jockey (hardware drivers app)22:14
zusso i decided to try out some icons from kde-look.org but the set i want doesn't have any explanation on installing them. how do i do it? i know in gnome it was as simple as dragging them in.22:15
ubottuIf you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »22:15
ubottuFound:22:15
belakdolomite: thanks22:15
yofelcuznt: looking22:15
kubunteroIt's dolomite baby!22:15
cuzntty.22:16
yofelkubuntero: ah right ^^22:17
dolomiteanytime you want me kubuntero, come and get it22:17
belakJ,22:17
belak*Hm22:18
belakNot working22:18
kubunteroIm 40% dolomite!22:18
belakdolomite: that topic is useful, but won't fix it22:19
dolomitebelak: reinstalling properly won't fix it?22:19
yofelcuznt: hm... I'm not sure how this happened, but you need to have 'python-changesettings' installed22:19
belakI've gotta go eat - I'll be back in a bit22:19
dolomitekubuntero: are you andesite?22:19
belakdolomite: properly?22:19
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yofelcuznt: do you have a python-changesettings .deb file in /var/cache/apt/archives?22:20
cuznti shall look22:20
dolomitebelak: jockey can work but, for me, it's been hit-or-miss. reinstalling formally always helps my nvidia woes22:20
kubunterodolomite: No that would be Bender Bending  Rodruigez22:20
rmrfslashAhh sometimes I feel like packages come through kpackagekit w/ my name on em.22:20
Mamarokdolomite: kubuntero: could you stay on topic, please? Chat is in #kubuntu-offtopic22:20
dolomiteit'd help if kubuntero would shut up22:21
rmrfslashFinally I can suspend my computer since the recent pm-utils update22:21
cuzntyofel in / i have no /var folder22:22
cuzntyes i do22:22
cuzntwrong window..22:22
zusso i decided to try out some icons from kde-look.org but the set i want doesn't have any explanation on installing them. how do i do it? i know in gnome it was as simple as dragging them in.22:24
cuzntyofel in /var/cache/apt/archives i have a partial folder a lock openoffice help zip 2 ubuntu zip22:24
zusalso i cant find the folder to change the amarok splash...22:24
cuzntubuntustudios zip files 1 for audio and the other controls.22:25
yofelcuznt: odd, what happens if you run 'sudo apt-get install -f' ?22:26
cuzntthe error you saw was from that22:26
cuzntyofel: the error you saw was from that22:28
* cuznt forgets his manners22:28
yofelcuznt: ok... can you try 'sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/ubuntustudio-audio.prerm{,.bak}' and try again?22:29
cuzntE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)22:30
cuzntyofel: i am in the process of UN installing the studio22:31
cuzntyofel: i do not need it. so it does not have to stay if that makes a difference22:32
yofelwell, the error occures while it tries to remove the package to install the newer package after that. It seems like pythong-changesettings isn't installed and it fails because of that22:33
yofel*python-22:33
yofelcuznt: what does 'apt-cache policy python-changesettings' tell you about the 'Installed' status of the package?22:34
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cuzntyofel http://pastebin.org/20817822:36
yofelok, now I'm confused, it shouldn't give you an error at all if that's the case...22:37
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compilerwriterHow does one get flash working on a 64bit install?22:40
yofel!flash6422:41
ubottuYou can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava22:41
zuswhen i click on the .tar.gz another window opens with whats inside the file but what do i do after that for the icons set i just downloaded?22:42
satch5150hi all - I was here yesterday askign about 32 bit binaries on 64 bit kubuntu - apparently what I need to do for this to work is to download the 32-bit libs that the binary i'm trying to run needs - here is my problem, when I run ldd on the binary it says it is not a dynamically linked library, when I run 'file' on it, it says that it is dynamically linked ?  so, I need some suggestions :)22:44
satch5150and I've googled my brains out on this and can't find an answer :)22:46
apparleanyone knows a shell server which allows port forwarding?..........I know this if ot but, just if someone knows :)22:46
alzearHello, sorry for a newbe question, but how do I know what nvidia driver I use?22:47
kalipusthe calc i was searching for was speedcrunch :D22:47
mastercactapussatch5150: have you tried getlibs?22:47
yofelalzear: read /var/log/Xorg.0.log, you should find the driver name and version in there22:48
apparlealzear: try this in konsole "lspci -v | grep VGA"22:48
satch5150no, I haven't, I've never heard of it before :)22:48
alzearapparale: I get two rows, one with nVidia Corporation GT218 [GeForce 210]  and the second with nVidia Corporation G84 [GeForce 8600 GT]22:49
alzearI two graphichs card, one for the screen and one for the tv22:49
satch5150mastercactapus: the repos for kubuntu lucid don't seem to have it - where might I get it ?22:50
alzearapparle: Sorry, spelled your name wrong, see the above answers22:50
apparlealzear: ohh..... wait ...... "lspci -v" and find the same two lines in the output... below them will be the driver22:51
apparle!tab | alzear22:51
ubottualzear: You can use your <tab> key for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.22:51
alzearapparle: aha, cool, thanks :-)22:51
mastercactapussatch5150:http://frozenfox.freehostia.com/cappy/getlibs-all.deb22:51
alzearapparle: I did the command, but I don't see any driver version below that line22:53
apparlealzear: there must be something like kernel module...22:53
alzearapparle: Yes it is, is says the following: Kernel driver in use: nouveau22:53
alzear        Kernel modules: nvidiafb, nouveau22:53
apparlealzear: so noveau is the driver you are using22:54
alzearapparle: But what does that say? I am readin on this page and there the driver looks completly different: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia22:54
alzearapparle: I am using kubuntu version 10.0422:54
yofelwell, nouveau is the default driver, to use the nvidia driver you need to install it (from hardware drivers for example)22:55
alzearapparle: My goal is to make composite view and by that enable desktop effects. I am a sucker for eye-candy :-)22:56
apparlealzear: did you try using the hardware manager... or something like that I don't remember22:56
avihayHow can you setup kubuntu to work with multiple languages like in windows?22:56
alzearhhmm, there is a program to run under system -> Hardware drivers, is that the one you mean?22:57
yofelalzear: that should be the one, it should recommend the current driver22:58
alzearok, there is two options where the first is version 173 and the second says (version current) [Recommened]22:59
alzearshall I select the second one?22:59
alzearOk, I will try. Lets see if it works :-)22:59
kubunteroWhat are the advantages of doing software raid?23:00
apparlekubuntero: google it23:01
yofelor ask in #kubuntu-offtopic, that's not really a support question23:01
apparleyofel: ohhh.... come on don't be that strict.......... he is not asking which movie is good :D23:02
kubunteroapparle: mobilty is what I get back23:02
alzearok, driver installed, need to restart, will be back in a minute...23:02
apparlekubuntero: I recommend you read the wiki page of RAID, ther is a section of software raid23:03
yofelapparle: heh, well, this # isn't as busy as #ubuntu, but it's still not quite on topic :P23:03
WalzmynIf i open a new folder in Dolphin it comes up in detail view. How can I change that default to icon view?23:04
kubunteroah23:04
kubuntero!raid23:04
ubottuTips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto23:04
satch5150mastercactapus: worked like a charm, thank you :-)23:04
mastercactapussatch5150: np, glad it worked!23:04
cuzntyafel: can i delete the zip files in my apt/cache... folder? would that make it stop?23:04
apparleyofel: now if ubottu knows about raid, it is not offtopic23:04
apparle!tab | cuznt23:05
ubottucuznt: You can use your <tab> key for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.23:05
yofelcuznt: I doubt that (and don't delete them directly, use 'apt-get clean' if you want to get rid of them anyway)23:06
kubunteroapparle: interesting. thanks23:06
cuzntok ty even after i spelled your nick incorrectly23:06
alzearOk, lets see if I can enable it now...23:07
yofelapparle: what I meant was: if he needs help setting up a raid or needs help debuggin an issue sure, on-topic, but asking a random 'what are the benefits of raid?' isn't (well, you could argue about that ok)23:07
* yofel shuts up23:07
alzearSWEET!! Thanks yofel and apparle!23:07
* apparle was just fooling around since there is very low activity.......... Actually he totally agrees with yofel 23:08
cuznti am getting the ubuntustudio error is there a # ubuntustudio r00m?23:08
yofelheh23:08
yofelcuznt: I'm out of ideas for now, too tired, you could try #ubuntu too or ask a question on launchpad https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ and see if someone there knows more23:10
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yofel(if you have a launchpad account)23:11
apparlecuznt: and the best place..... ubuntuforums.org23:11
apparlecuznt: what was the original problem23:12
yofelapparle: http://pastebin.org/20809823:13
kubunteroapparle: would it be possible to make a softraid with the Alternate disk without installing kubuntu reboot with the live CD put dataa on th new RAID disk then return to installing with the alternate ?23:13
yofelapparle: apt-cache show python-changesettings as installed, so I can't make any sense out of this23:14
apparlekubuntero: I don't know anything about raid... but maybe ubottu knows23:14
kubunteroMamarok_: do you think that would be possible?23:15
apparleyofel: cuznt no idea.... try in #ubuntu23:18
apparlecuznt: which version of ubuntu?23:18
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Guest91262hi23:19
Guest91262can I change the themes or add new ones>23:19
Guest91262how?23:19
Guest91262:(23:19
benkevanYou don't mention what themes Guest9126223:19
cuzntim running kde i added on the studio to check it out23:19
Guest91262well themes for kubuntu like air,oxygen etc23:20
apparlecuznt: but which version of ubuntu ?23:20
cuznt?23:20
apparleGuest91262: from the place where you change themes , there is an option to get new themes23:20
cuzntSetting up ubuntustudio-audio (0.70) ...23:20
Guest91262which is that place23:21
apparleyofel: I don't know the command to find which version of ubuntu cuznt has..... a little help23:21
Guest91262it's all different from previous versions23:21
Guest91262can't find any theme manager23:21
craigzhengAnyone know how to stop KDE from hijacking my Super key and treating it as Meta?23:21
yofelapparle: 0.70 is from lucid, and apt-cache python-changesettings showed lucid too23:21
yofelcuznt: upgrade?23:22
Guest91262in 10.04 I mean23:22
apparleyofel: did he try manual unintall of the package?23:22
cuzntyes i did23:22
yofelGuest91262: systemsettings -> appearance23:22
apparleGuest91262: right click on destop and then somethign23:22
yofelapparle: not in 4.423:22
cuzntPlatform Version 4.4.2 (KDE 4.4.2)23:22
yofelGuest91262: there go to style -> worspace23:23
yofel*workspace23:23
apparlecuznt: what happens on manual purge of the package?23:23
cuzntin what way?23:23
cuzntapt-get clean?23:23
apparlecuznt: "sudo apt-get purge ubuntustudio-audio"... but check if it is causing any dependency issues23:24
cuzntanytime i want to install uninstall anything i get an error (as in the pastebin yofel gave) and can go no furthur.23:25
apparlecuznt: try that particular command23:26
yofelI know, the package management has got itself into a state where it can't continue without admin-intervention23:26
Guest91262at workspace there's no theme management23:26
compilerwriterbugger I have got 64 bit flash working but am having a bit of trouble with java.  Trying to follow the instructions athttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64/FirefoxAndPlugins?action=show&redirect=FirefoxAMD64FlashJava but running into issues.  apt couldn't find the package.  Do I need to add the sun repos to my sources list or something?23:26
yofelGuest91262: you should have a list of themes and a 'get new themes' button23:27
apparleyofel: is there any option for dpkg, which will over write the old package?......23:27
cuzntapparle http://pastebin.org/20833223:27
blue112I have a problem with Kate using sftp : When I try to save a file, I have a access denied message to a ".part" file... I have all rights on the directory and the file. What can I do to fix that ?23:27
Guest91262nothing just "global options for the Plasma workspace: form factor & dashboard"23:27
Guest91262no themes23:27
Guest91262this kinda sucks23:28
yofelGuest91262: you *are* using KDE 4.4?23:28
andrehi23:28
Guest91262yes23:28
Guest912624.423:28
andreis it possible to enfore the taskbar only showing symbols without text23:28
apparlecuznt: if I would have had that problem, then I would have opened that package, and performed a manual uninstall by doing what the script does manually23:29
yofelGuest91262: sec23:29
andrebecause i want to use it on the right side of the screen and it looks dumb atm23:29
apparleandre: I would also like that :P.. but don't know how23:29
andreatm there is a tiny symbol and two or three letters23:31
yofelGuest91262: this is how the menu should look like: http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/Sys1.png23:31
Guest91262thanks very much23:32
Guest91262solved23:32
compilerwriteranybody able to help me with 64bit java?23:37
andreoh, is it possible to import all my thunderbird settings into kmail?23:37
yofelcompilerwriter: you're running lucid?23:38
compilerwriteryes yofel I am. 64 bit.23:38
yofel!partner23:38
ubottuCanonical's partner repositories provide packages a location for software vendors to publish applications. The repo itself can be added by running this in a !terminal: « sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ RELEASE partner" » where RELEASE is lucid/karmic/etc23:38
yofelcompilerwriter: sun java is to be found there now23:39
yofel*can be found there now23:39
compilerwriterThanks yofel23:39
compilerwriteri just hate kpackagekit!23:48
apparlecompilerwriter: why23:49
compilerwriterI can never find the packages I want to find in the damned thing.  No matter I just had apt get synaptic.23:50
apparlecompilerwriter: to each his own..... I prefer apt-get :D23:50
yofelaptitude :P23:51
compilerwriterI have no problem with apt-get but I don't always know the name of the package I want.23:51
apparlecompilerwriter: google, kpackagekit, and packages.ubuntu.com  help :D23:52
compilerwriterI am still trying to figure out which package I need to get java working on 64 bit lucid, but at least with synaptic I can see which packages are out there.23:53
justin__man apt-cache will teach you how to search23:53
yofelcompilerwriter: you can just use openjdk if you don't have an explicit reason why you need sun23:54
benkevanexplicit reason like.. Juniper SSL VPN :(23:54
yofelcompilerwriter: but if you have partner added, refresh your cache with 'sudo apt-get update' and install sun-java6-jre or -plugin or whatever you need23:54
compilerwriterI don't know that I have one as yet, but I seem to remember needing sun for something in my old karmic .23:55
Izinucsdo bluetooth single ear headsets work in kubuntu?  I've got motorola hs805 that "KBluetooth" keeps rejecting23:55
compilerwriteryofel the update.  that is what I am forgetting.  Need to work in a terminal more often.23:55
yofelcompilerwriter: remember to remove openjdk after installing sun though, if both are installed openjdk is preferred23:56
Raubtier__sadly, there are a lot of things which do not work in openjdk. So you usually need sun's jre23:57
Izinucsyofel: you may have just solved an issue I've been having with java.. testing in a sec.. kudo's !23:57
yofelthat's the easy way, you can also use galternatives to switch the few dozen of alternative settings to sun too, but I find that harder :P23:58
yofel(or update-alternatives in a terminal if you don't want to use galternatives (gtk))23:58

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