=== cjohnston|cell_ is now known as cjohnston|cell [05:59] morning all [05:59] I have good news! [05:59] ITS FRIDAY! :D [06:01] HAPPY FRIDAY jussi ! [06:01] ddecator: thanks. its a good feeling :D [06:01] jussi: especially good since i don't have any friday classes =) [06:02] ddecator: nice [06:02] ddecator: Ive had an extremely busy work week and Im looking forward to a relaxing weekend + a great UDS [06:03] jussi: yah, i'm really looking forward to participating remotely in UDS [06:03] ddecator: Ill be there in person. [06:03] jussi: mark me jealous [06:06] jussi: Happy UK Election results day :-D [06:06] oh, its that too. same to you doctormo :D [06:06] jussi: I'm happy because the Green party got a seat. Woot! [06:06] lol [06:07] Im a bit disappointed so far, as the Lib dems arent doing as well as they projected... [06:13] doctormo: do you know which party is the "others" that won one seat according to this page? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/election2010/results/ [06:13] jussi: Mostly DUP, SNP and Plyde Cumry, one green. [06:14] doctormo: no, Im trying to work out who the seat went to... [06:14] look at the bottom of the list [06:14] It means Indipendant [06:15] oh ok [07:20] good morning all [07:22] dpm good morning [07:23] hey akgraner, how's it going? [07:23] just the person I needed to talk to about translation stuff [07:23] akgraner, :) do you mind posting the question and me answering later? I need to prepare something before 9:00 (in 40 mins) [07:23] I was hoping you could look over the UWN translations effort that seems to be stalled and advise [07:23] it can wait weeks [07:24] there is no hurry [07:25] dpm, it's all good - we can discuss it after UDS :-) [07:26] akgraner, sure, thanks :) [07:41] Aloha [08:10] good morning [08:16] morning dholbach, morning czajkowski [08:16] hey dpm [08:17] dpm: hey there ,hows you?? [08:18] heya czajkowski, I'm fine, busy doing general catch up, preparing UDS sessions and this morning the plenary presentation on Launchpad Translations and better upstream integration in translations [08:19] busy so :) [08:19] dpm, are there any plenary sessions open? [08:20] akgraner, what do you mean by open? [08:20] sorry, need to go on a call, bbl [08:20] k [08:24] akgraner, (I can probably answer while we sort out this freaking skype). What I know from plenaries is that Jorge is scheduling them, but we lost quite a lot of plenary space because there is a lady doing a 1h one [08:25] ahh ok - so just touchbase with jorge [08:26] he ask me to do one but I wasn't sure if he scheduled it [08:26] and we both got busy - you know how it goes [08:26] was just sorting out my todo list [08:26] 1hr plenary [08:26] LORDIE [08:27] :) [08:28] Lordie [08:35] czajkowski: you called? [08:38] no... [08:44] * dholbach hugs you all [08:44] might be interesting - sounds like a lunchtime keynote [08:44] dholbach, thanks [08:47] The things people tweet and dent about... [08:47] http://twitpic.com/1lmt3w [08:48] Im tired. [08:51] dpm: is that real... [08:53] czajkowski, course it is, next one is going to be Britney Spears :) [08:53] * czajkowski pokes dpm [08:54] * dpm hugs czajkowski ;) [11:51] Shhhhh it's oooh so quiet! [11:52] popey be bery bery quiet - they [11:53] popey: lets make some noise! [11:53] are hunting rabbits [11:53] heya akgraner [11:53] rabbit season [11:53] wabbits! [11:53] nigelbabu, hi [11:53] akgraner: have be broken records with open week yet? [11:53] we did with -release-par [11:53] *party [11:54] nah actually attendance it a bit down this release [11:54] hm, thats strange :/ [11:55] nah we didn't have as many people blogging and stuff about open week prior [11:56] akgraner: we could consider advertising as part of release announcement or something, at least on our blogs [11:56] have some nice graphics like "I'm going to Open Week" ;) [11:57] a lot of folks picked up the announcement, if they were to pick up open week too, it would give us nice attention [11:58] There are open week graphics and stuff [11:58] and there is still good attendance - but we can do better next time [11:58] I'll try to help with the publicity party :) [11:59] :-) I don't think jcastro would disagree about the numbers part for this open week [12:00] maybe we need to brainstom more on how to get attendance in classroom beyond contributors [12:00] nigelbabu, Karmic release week - we had scheduled when people would blog [12:00] and kept something on the planet almost daily about [12:01] akgraner: you mean spam the planet about it every 6 hours? [12:01] ;D [12:01] hehe [12:01] I remember Daniel posting a summary of the day's sessions during the OpenWeek. [12:01] something like that but with various people around the community blogging [12:02] that helps, because some people dont follow the planet because it has too much noise [12:02] they follow individual blogs of community members [12:02] nigelbabu, basically like 3 or 4 weeks before open week [12:03] akgraner: ah, we'll plan better next time :) [12:03] there is an open week meeting pep ralley thing in -meeting [12:03] when? [12:03] and people say I can blog on this day [12:03] I will blog on that day [12:04] so everyone doesn't blog about it on the same day [12:04] oh, I missed that one then [12:04] a controlled blogging campaign if you will to keep buzz about it [12:04] I'll have to go back and look - this was like 7 + months ago or something [12:05] akgraner: we'll just plan for the next cycle better :) [12:05] akgraner: This is certainly something to discuss during the planned UDS sessions. I assume you're writing this all down for that, or are remembering it? [12:05] there is a session for it at UDS right? [12:05] two, iirc [12:05] although there were calls to merge thsoe [12:05] yes, I've subscribed [12:06] akgraner: You could put it on the Blueprints' whiteboards. [12:06] nigelbabu, yep jcastro and I already talked about next open week what we can do better kinda stuff :-) and now you all are making commitments to help get the word out [12:06] :-) [12:07] so yeah - that's what makes it beautiful - community collaboration for continually awesomeness [12:09] akgraner: we have a UUD coming up, so we can plan for a trial run for plans then [12:09] nigelbabu, qense I think and could be wrong - but with all the *ubuntu weeks we have - the campaign to promote those could almost be the same [12:09] yeah [12:09] we just change the name of the *ubuntu week [12:09] and have a check list - which I think we started last time [12:09] I'll have to look [12:09] We should make sure the visual identity is right each time, though! Remember the dots! [12:10] and we just keep improving and adjusting and adding to [12:10] qense, *nods* [12:10] It's good to document the processes so others can easily pick it up and continue with it if someone leaves or if they want to help. [12:10] Good morning [12:10] morning [12:10] qense, yep - my "if I get hit by a bus" clause :-) [12:10] exactly [12:10] nhandler, hi [12:11] Good morning akgraner [12:12] I also think for some reason - this week - *everybody* was busier than they were last cycle at this time [12:12] I could be wrong but it seems like it [12:12] Yeah, everyone was really a lot busier the weeks before the release than last year. [12:13] qense, which to me says - wow - community contribution has grown [12:13] we did get a high in #ubuntu - 2120 [12:13] akgraner: It's good news indeed, but not so much for the OpenWeek. ;) [12:13] Maybe we should consider a different time for the week? [12:14] Some time when everyone's less busy? [12:14] qense, I am not sure you would find a better week [12:14] and now there has been 8 open weeks [12:14] That's true and the week after the release is the peek of Ubuntu-interest... [12:15] peak [12:15] it is almost ingrained that it goes release week --> open week--> uds [12:15] yeah [12:15] We'll cope with it. [12:15] lions and tigers and bears o'my [12:15] :-) [12:18] qense, the turn out isn't bad by any means [12:18] I saw that, you've done a wonderful job at the week. I just think you deserve a greater audience. [12:18] but yeah - adapt and overcome :-) [12:19] akgraner: we're trying to combat the time problem with uud [12:19] its going to be 24 hours (if we get instructors) [12:19] *nods* [12:20] nigelbabu, yeah I was following the conversations about it [12:20] :) [12:23] I know for me personally I have identified how to narrow my scope without dimensioning the quality of contribution going forward [12:23] that will help me have time to produce quality and timely posts and "marketing" for events and stuff [12:26] This week was a good reflection - of pain points in personal contributions and expectations and the effects on project participation [12:27] not sure if any one else takes the start of each release for a self evaluation re contribution or not - I may be weird that way [12:29] I reflect a bit, but not much. :) [12:29] Lunch time! afk [12:29] :-) [12:57] I know this is slightly off topic for here, but if anyone has some money to spare, I am raising money for the American Cancer Society by participating in the Walk & Roll event in a week: http://identi.ca/notice/31202595 [13:17] wish i had :/ [13:50] nhandler, thank you for that! [13:53] it's a great cause and efforts by them made better b/c people like are willing to give of their time and sweat equity! That's awesome that you are doing that.. [15:27] dholbach, you're good with your session and don't need any helpers or anything do you? [15:27] jcastro, you are good with both of yours right? :-) [15:31] yeah. :D [15:31] you might want to stick around for the last one if you can to get feedback [15:32] doctormo, !!!! [15:32] doctormo, I have been thinking about this PXE thing for a long time [15:32] jcastro: need a little bit of your help [15:33] ok [15:33] jcastro: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/aTor4hFZXZ [15:34] akgraner: I still need to prepare it ;-) [15:34] akgraner: parts of it... I should be good though [15:34] dholbach, :-P [15:44] Launchpad working for anyone ellse? [15:45] Technoviking: which part? [15:45] bugs are ok for me [15:49] working now, but slloooww:( [15:49] im querying lp via api, wonder if Im breaking it [15:50] Technoviking: lp is a bit slow due to maverick stuff, expected [15:50] expected I think :/ [16:00] hey, good luck with the UOW talks dholbach! [16:00] thanks [16:01] howdy === JFo is now known as JFo-afk === jcastro_ is now known as jcastro [17:02] qense: how's the weather over there? [17:02] shorts? [17:04] http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/37 [17:04] not looking great [17:05] * jcastro switches to proper F numbers [17:05] what the hell, that's cold! [17:07] tripit's forecast says it's like 10 degrees warmer [17:07] weather forecasts for next week show 6-13 °C and rain most days :-/ [17:07] for Brussels [17:07] on yr.no [17:09] accoring to the national weather forecast it will be somewhat warmer than 6 °c, but still cold & wet [17:09] only day without rain could be Monday... :-( [17:16] :- D! FYI - Call for nominations for New Ubuntu Women Project Elected Leadership Committee is now open - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/LeadershipElectionProcess - Good Luck to everyone! [17:17] at least hotel is inside? [17:17] err... sessions [17:18] jcastro: might rain [17:18] jcastro: but JanC is a better source for weather info :) [17:19] Pendulum: yes, but Canonical saved money by not renting the roof. [17:20] heh [17:20] hmm... I am now essentially getting paid to play facebook games [17:20] Pendulum: huh? What's your job? :P [17:21] I wouldn't want to spend my days playing Farmville. [17:22] qense: it's my last day at my job and I have no work left to do. so i'm playing them because I'm bored :) [17:22] Pendulum: What was your job and what's your new job then? ;( [17:22] ;) [17:23] By the way, is Daniel still holding on? He's already talking for more than an hour now, isn't he? [17:23] I was working in publishing and now it is nothing. Unless we count the fact that I keep seeming to pick up new Ubuntu stuff to do... [17:23] Will you miss your job>? [17:24] yes and no. I quit so it's not like I'm being forced out. Just was time to move on and for health-related reasons makes sense to take some time off. [17:24] ah [17:28] Technoviking: when were you planning on opening the maverick forum again? [17:36] jcastro: I just did:). lol [17:36] before I saw your question [17:36] jcastro: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1476021 [17:37] oh heh [17:37] I was just going to say, it'd be awesome if it was open for UDS [17:37] to give people a place to discuss stuff [17:38] I will link all the rooms to the irc web chat, for IRC newbies [17:39] cooh [17:39] I will point this out in my session today [17:39] also [17:39] in the lucid forum we ended up with tons of stickies [17:39] I wonder if we can just aggregate the typical "+1" threads into 1 [17:39] sure [17:40] so like, instead of one for the schedule, one for bugs, etc. [17:40] I wonder if 23meg irc's lately [17:40] I have not seen him around [17:40] I have not either, you can PM him on the forums [17:41] jcastro: are the room irc chanels open. wanted to test the web chat link [17:42] they should be, he set them up a while back [17:42] jussi: ^^ [17:43] work great [17:43] I don't if I will be on much next week, looks to be an 80 + hour work week:( [17:45] :( [17:45] Technoviking: you can probably cut out the uds identica accounts, I don't think anyone is using those anymore [17:45] I will try to remote attend session late afternoon your time [17:46] jcastro: ok, will do, I will remove them from the wiki also [17:46] Just following #ubuntu should do the trick [17:50] jcastro: Didn't Laura still list the microblogging accounts in her blog post? iirc they are still on the wiki. [17:51] yeah but no one's using them [17:52] well, the #ubuntu and #uds hashtags will dp [17:52] I think it's easie anyway to let the people tweet and dent with their own accounts. [17:52] But maybe trackspecific tags could be used. [17:53] I think that just gets too complicated [17:53] if we just tell people to do #uds we should be fine I think [17:53] yeah, probably [17:53] It's not that everyone will be tweeting every point, I suppose. [17:53] then people will get all confused and we'll end up with #uds-community-maverick-open-week [17:54] Leaving little space for useful stuff. [17:54] jcastro: still drowning, or are things better now? [17:54] no, I am doomed [17:54] heh [17:54] how do you hide text as a comment in the wiki? [17:54] Technoviking: # ? [17:55] qense: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundMenu [17:56] jcastro: We've already been having quite a large discussion on the Ayatana mailing list after I submitted some (bad? :P) mock-ups to the list. They were not good enough to be considered, we can say, but they did kickstart the discussion. [17:56] jcastro: And now MPT is starting to take part in the discussions. [17:57] jcastro: Curious how upstream will react to this. I think hyperair will be happier with this than with AppInd. ;) [17:57] yeah [17:57] I was waiting for him to show up on irc [17:57] he's on #ayatana atm [17:57] I like the album art in there [17:58] yeah, that would be neat [18:00] jcastro: I think we should make it more visible to the community they can contribute to this. A lot of people react enthusiastically to Ubuntu's new desktop, but we should tell them they can help making that New Desktop. We had such a thing a bit at the start of our effort to get AppInd support, but it faded away a bit after the two contractors were hired. [18:00] * jcastro nods [18:00] later, work meeting for awhile [18:00] bye Technoviking [18:00] cya! [18:02] ok my friends - I call it a day [18:02] \o/ [18:02] dholbach: bye! [18:02] have a great WE [18:03] and see some of you in Brussels [18:03] HUGS [18:03] see you Monday! [18:03] The ESA did say today that the vulcano at Iceland increased in activity. Would be a shame if it started causing trouble again Sunday or so. [18:03] bye dholbach! [18:04] I would be doomed if I got stuck in belgium [18:04] Wasn't there a guy that once swam the Atlantic Ocean? Hint... [18:06] Ah, my first night is overbooked, need to be in a different hotel then. [18:10] yeah I think that's happening to a bunch of people [18:11] Too much attendees? :) [18:11] I hope the Summit-pains are now over. [18:14] hello cjohnston! [18:15] Hey w [18:15] qense: [18:20] aloha [18:20] Fwiw I hate weddings [18:21] Even your own? [18:22] Wouldn't know [18:23] Not married [18:23] cjohnston|cell: ah ok didn't know that you refer to her as mrs at times [18:24] It's easier czajkowski [18:24] 2 kids a house a business. Might as well be [18:24] ok :) [18:28] czajkowski: congrats on making it to the board :) [18:28] czajkowski: yay for you! [18:30] nigelbabu: qense Thank you :) [18:30] :) [18:30] found out via irc frm pleia2 in channel. was rather shocked :) [18:30] i found out that way too [18:30] maco: You too a member? [18:31] for the americas board [18:31] I suspected already you wouldn't be doing the EMEA ;) [18:31] congratulations to both of you! [18:31] im sure weirder things happen [18:31] thanks :) [18:31] maco: lol wierder? :D [18:32] nigelbabu: than an american on the european board. im sure there've been odder things occurring [18:32] there is now an Ubuntu women team member on all of the boards ! [18:32] maco: when you get to cc or tb you'll still be saying that :D [18:32] 3 on the americas board [18:32] aye [18:32] not sure there was ever one on EMEA before .... [18:33] I've got the feeling that feminism and such doesn't live as much in Europe as it does it the US. [18:33] asia has elky since long i guess [18:33] qense: what do you mean? [18:33] czajkowski: I hear less from European feminism than from American. [18:34] ws 34 [18:34] grr [18:34] qense: oh true. [18:35] and also less of the word feminism as well [18:35] Yeah, people don't seem to really like the word anymore, they still associate it with the kind of people that became lesbian out of principle because all men were bad. [18:36] whoa! [18:36] Which is a wrong association, but it does happen. [18:36] I mean, not everyone is radical. [18:36] nigelbabu: I'm talking about the sixties and the seventies in the Netherlands here. [18:36] A radical kind sure. [18:36] radical time* [18:36] not kind [18:37] qense: too long back, 20 years before I was born (at least) [18:37] hmm I find this topic wil usually offend someone, so I'll stay quiet, and best discussed over a pint [18:37] Yeah, it's easy to offend people when a subject lies dear to them. [18:37] http://is.gd/bYpg0 [18:38] good article [18:38] qense: I find some folks are too blinded by it, as you said different in the EU [18:39] There is more in the world of feminism than 'dungarees feminism' as the radical kind is called here. [18:39] Your work is very valuable, but far from being radical or intrusive. === JFo-afk is now known as JFo [20:21] qense: did you miss the spice girls? [20:21] AlanBell: Huh? [20:24] just reading back on the lack of visible european feminists, but actually I agree with czajkowski this is a conversation that requires a pint to go with it [20:28] oh the things i see with my (girl|girls) highlight rule [20:29] maco surely not odder than the things I see with my chicken highlight! [20:30] you probably see a lot of what people have for dinner [20:30] i see trolls, spice girls apparently, hot girl links, and parenting [20:53] AlanBell: pint it is so [20:59] I have a picture somewhere of czajkowski drinking a very small pint [21:00] that is rare, they are usually very large pints [21:00] baby guinness :D [21:01] * AlanBell thinks someone was being a bad influence on others at the time [21:01] grin [21:01] ah, there it is [21:07] http://twitpic.com/1lueh9 [21:08] blackberry camera isn't very good in the dark [21:09] nyommy is what they are [21:11] they did look nice, what were they? Baileys on top presumably [21:11] aye [21:11] tia maria on the bottom or Kalula [21:14] its hot as .... outside... [21:14] uggh [21:16] I'm off, good night everyone! [21:16] http://image22.webshots.com/23/2/52/31/366625231QmaiKo_ph.jpg if the bartender does it properly [21:20] nice [21:24] jcastro, just sent you the summary of Feedback session [21:25] <3 [22:33] "feminism" (as we know it) started in Europe, and often time helps to get over the extremes [22:35] OTOH, feminism has existed for ages in some form or another... ;) [22:39] and there is no lack of visible feminists in Belgium at least [22:46] I really hate Oracle [22:47] oh? want to narrow the reason down a bit [22:48] Doing backup on a Oracle system, rman make my brain hurt:) [22:48] awww tis friday :) [23:05] czajkowski: yeah, but I will be back at work tomorrow working on this [23:06] let me know if anyone wants anything else added to this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1476021 [23:15] nn folks