[00:48] <ddecator> micahg: i couldn't find anything upstream or downstream related to it, but i need to get some dinner. i can look more later tonight, but if you know what search terms to use that'd be helpful
[00:49] <micahg> ddecator: k, I'm sure I'm subscribed to it, so I'll check email later for it
[00:49] <ddecator> micahg: sounds good, thanks
[03:56] <ccheney> micahg: yes
[03:57] <micahg> ccheney: should we have a session on dictionaries or can I roll it into the mozilla generic session or neither?
[03:57] <ccheney> micahg: as i understand it rene is planning on dropping the backwards compat symlinks altogether soon in Debian
[03:57] <ccheney> micahg: enchant still hasn't been ported to use the new dir on Ubuntu
[03:57] <micahg> ccheney: ok, so we don't need anything specific?
[03:58] <ccheney> micahg: probably not, we just need to make sure someone makes certain to get all the dictionaries updated in this cycle and prod Rene to drop the backwards compat asap
[03:58] <ccheney> micahg: that way we don't have to maintain a delta to drop the compat bits
[03:58] <micahg> ccheney: would it be ok if I add that to the mozilla generic work tasks?
[03:59] <ccheney> micahg: sounds ok to me assuming no one else has objections :)
[03:59]  * ccheney isn't going to be working on mozilla this cycle but can help with the dictionary stuff if needed
[03:59] <ccheney> its pretty straightforward what to do though
[04:00] <ccheney> everything needs to be in hunspell as xx_YY (iirc) and nothing under myspell once backwards compat is dropped
[04:00] <ccheney> i assume rene will probably update the policy to reflect that once he is ready to do it
[04:00] <ccheney> dropping xx-YY should be doable at any time though afaik
[04:01] <micahg> ccheney: added to whiteboard :)
[04:01] <micahg> ccheney: should I subscribe you?
[04:01] <ccheney> thats fine
[04:07] <micahg> ccheney: thanks
[04:13] <ccheney> my flight leaves about 7pm on saturday, still need to buy some new clothes and pack
[04:13] <ccheney> micahg: are you going to be at UDS?
[04:13] <micahg> ccheney: yes
[04:15] <ccheney> ok, see you there then :)
[04:16] <micahg> ccheney: yep :)
[04:41] <ddecator> micahg: poke
[04:41]  * micahg hides
[04:42] <ddecator> micahg: you told me to poke you later, but idk if you actually meant tonight still, haha
[04:43] <micahg> ddecator: I did
[04:52] <micahg> ddecator: is this it upstream: mozilla 504275
[04:52] <ddecator> micahg: oh, i saw that one, but didn't think it was what i was looking for since it just mentions favicons
[04:53]  * micahg isn't sure what the bug is
[04:53] <ddecator> haha, i'll look at it
[04:54] <micahg> ddecator: is it the desktop menu that has the icon?
[04:54] <micahg> or is this in the app?
[04:55] <ddecator> micahg: the impression i had was that the menus showed icons when the menus_have_icons=false was set, but i guess it works, firefox just needs to be restarted for it to happen
[04:55] <micahg> ddecator: icons in the menus inside firefox?
[04:55] <ddecator> micahg: right
[04:55]  * ddecator looks at lp bug
[04:56] <ddecator> in Terminal or Liferea icons from menu disappers but in firefox are still
[04:57] <ddecator> heh, he's slovak
[05:12] <micahg> ddecator: you've confirmed this on trunk right?
[05:12] <ddecator> micahg: i think i did (been a while since i tested) let me test it right now
[05:13] <micahg> ddecator: k, I got the ok to file upstream
[05:13] <micahg> and I can't find a dupe
[05:15] <ddecator> micahg: alright, setting it to false does work (except for bookmarks, but i think that's what the favicon bug was about, favicons stay), but it does require restarting ff
[05:15] <ddecator> oddly, i still have icons in Places and Applications...might be fixed by logging out and back in, not sure
[05:19] <micahg> ddecator: what about other apps?
[05:20] <ddecator> micahg: terminal and nautilus change instantly
[05:23] <micahg> what about liferea, rhythmbox?
[05:23] <ddecator> one sec
[05:28] <ddecator> micahg: they also change instantly
[05:28] <micahg> ddecator: k, can you please file the bug on bgo, use the same category as mozilla 415810
[05:30] <ddecator> micahg: it's a gnome issue?
[05:30] <micahg> ddecator: oops
[05:30] <micahg> I meant bmo :)
[05:30]  * micahg is tired
[05:31] <ddecator> haha, i wondered
[05:31] <ddecator> btw, i'm going to build the latest songbird daily tonight to see if it still builds alright
[05:39] <micahg> ddecator: please give me the bug number when done
[05:40] <ddecator> micahg: sure thing, i'm filling it out right now (got caught in a political discussion, sorry haha)
[05:40] <micahg> heh, k, I"ll be on about another half hour
[05:44] <ddecator> mozilla 564357
[05:45] <ddecator> micahg: want me to link it to the downstream report?
[05:47] <micahg> ddecator: k
[05:50] <ddecator> micahg: ...is that a yes? haha
[05:50] <micahg> You can link LP, I'll add the LP bug to bmo
[05:50] <ddecator> good deal. thanks
[06:24] <micahg> ddecator: BTW, you might want to be explicit when mentioning software not in the archive in LP (i.e. Firefox 3.7a5 from the Mozilla Daily PPA) as well as archive version if applicable, when upstreaming, trunk is what counts generally for reporting, but it's also good to know how many releases back are affected by an issue
[06:25] <ddecator> micahg: alright, i'll keep that in mind. should i add that or call it good this time?
[06:25] <micahg> ddecator: I think it's ok this time
[06:26] <ddecator> micahg: alright. i'll definitely remember that for next time though
[06:27] <micahg> ddecator: take a look at the profile_pluginreg file attached to bug 576756
[06:27] <ddecator> micahg: i did. did i miss something?
[06:28] <micahg> ddecator: what version of flash does it show?
[06:28] <ddecator> Flash 9.0 r124
[06:29] <micahg> also, user gave flash versions in the description
[06:30] <ddecator> micahg: right, he says everything says flash 9, but that he saw it say flash 10 had been installed
[06:30] <ddecator> so i didn't know if synaptic would show 9 or 10
[06:30] <micahg> ddecator: right, you can see in the plugin_reg file what firefox sees (i.e. 9), you can see what's installed with apt-cache policy as well as synaptic
[06:31] <ddecator> micahg: ooooooooooh, i didn't see that in the apport info..
[06:31] <micahg> ddecator: that was teh user :)
[06:31] <ddecator> micahg: ...in the terminal output
[06:31] <micahg> ddecator: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-browser-apport/ in case you're interested
[06:32] <ddecator> micahg: should i "participate" in that?
[06:33] <micahg> ddecator: you can if you want to remotely, but it'll be 4 in the morning on Wed :)
[06:34] <ddecator> micahg: heh, i just meant subscribe to it, i doubt i'll be up that early on wednesday
[06:34] <ddecator> micahg: btw, any suggestions for that bug report, i'm at a loss atm
[06:34] <micahg> ddecator: k, that's fine
[06:34] <micahg> ddecator: possible manual installation of flash at some point?
[06:35] <ddecator> micahg: could be...i'll ask
[06:35] <ddecator> micahg: if i try to subscribe to the blueprint, it says "participation essential" so should i just not subscribe to it?
[06:36] <micahg> ddecator: don't check the box
[06:36] <ddecator> micahg: says it's required
[06:36] <micahg> ddecator: no, checking the box means required
[06:36] <micahg> ddecator: I'll subscribe you
[06:36] <ddecator> micahg: ah, gotcha. haha, thanks
[06:37] <micahg> ddecator: I wonder if that bug is because of a flash alternative
[06:37] <ddecator> micahg: like gnash or something?
[06:37] <micahg> no, that's not it, it would just move where it would be
[06:38]  * micahg checks files in gnash
[06:38] <ddecator> i did see another bug that had swfdec-mozilla installed that was 9, and flash installed that was 10
[06:39] <micahg> ddecator: yes, but you can see what it is in the filename
[06:39] <micahg> ddecator: you're correct about the version
[06:41] <ddecator> micahg: true...i'll just ask if he ever installed it manually for now. if not, i'll look more into other possibilities
[08:47] <BUGabundo_remote> Say Guud Bye to the Sun, say Hello to the rain :O
[08:47] <ddecator> haha, hey BUGabundo_remote
[10:59] <Greenery> my firefox kde integration for kubuntu 10.04 is not working. I did install kmozillahelper and still no integration
[13:13] <rethus> where can i set that thunderbird don't use -- in front of a signature?
[13:25] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: fyi:
[13:25] <jdstrand> 07:21 < pitti> jdstrand: looks safe to me, I think it's fine to include it
[13:26] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: I know it took awhile, but I finally got an answer :)
[13:26] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: (that is regarding the now 5 apparmor commits)
[13:26] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~jamie/ff36-apparmor.diff.txt
[13:51] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - thanks. i've uploaded the latest version to the u-m-s PPA now though, so i'm not sure if we'll get the changes in to this release, or wait until 3.6.5
[13:51] <chrisccoulson> i wasn't planning to do another upload now before UDS
[13:54] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - i wanted to discuss how we're going to handle the ff3.6 rollout for hardy / jaunty at some point when you have some time
[14:10] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: re new upload-- understood, but we are at least clear for next time. if you do another upload, please add the fixes
[14:13] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: perhaps you can drop into one of the security team roundtables (first thing in the mornings) at UDS
[14:13] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: and we can discuss the ff36 rollout
[14:14] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, sure, that sounds good
[14:17] <micahg> jdstrand: can I come too?
[14:18] <jdstrand> micahg: absolutely
[14:18] <jdstrand> you two drop by a roundtable one morning-- it is open to anyone
[14:19] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i'm just about to get the seamonkey updates uploaded
[14:20] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, I guess I'll have to poke upstream about the xul191+cairo issue over the weekend
[14:21] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that one is a bit of a pain, but i'd rather not convert to in-source cairo just for that. hopefully we can resolve it in the next security update
[14:22] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'm still hoping to get it in this update :)
[14:22] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's still possible. we can still do another PPA upload before the release
[14:22] <chrisccoulson> but i want to try and get as much as possible in to the PPA today with UDS being next week
[14:23] <micahg> chrisccoulson: well, unfortunately, Thunderbird hasn't been tagged yet
[14:24] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's a shame
[14:24] <micahg> chrisccoulson: when do you leave?
[14:24] <chrisccoulson> i leave on sunday afternoon, but i wasn't planning to work tomorrow
[14:24] <micahg> ah, ok, me too
[14:25] <micahg> chrisccoulson: well, if I catch it Sat night or Sun morning, I'll try to get it ready so you just have to push a couple buttons at UDS :)
[14:28] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'll also try to the have SRU for gjs and gnome-shell ready in a couple hours
[14:28] <chrisccoulson> micahg - excellent, thanks
[14:29] <chrisccoulson> is there a bug report for that btw?
[14:29] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I don't think I filed one yet
[14:29]  * micahg checks
[14:29] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok. we will need one for that
[14:29] <chrisccoulson> i can approve the lucid nomination for that too
[14:29] <micahg> chrisccoulson: can I put both on the same bug?
[14:29] <chrisccoulson> yeah, both on the same bug is fine
[14:34] <micahg> chrisccoulson: bug 576991
[14:34] <chrisccoulson> micahg - excellent, thanks
[15:36] <thekorn> hi, does anybody have a sample Makefile for a xpcom component for FF3 written in c++?
[15:37] <thekorn> I somehow fail to do the linking correctly, with http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~thekorn/%2Bjunk/sampleextension/annotate/head:/Makefile I get a couple of undefined symbols
[16:15] <chrisccoulson> thekorn - you could check something like chmsee, which uses the xpcom standalone glue
[16:16] <chrisccoulson> (i've not looked at what you're trying to do yet though - i probably won't have time to this week)
[16:30] <thekorn> chrisccoulson, no worries, thanks for your help
[18:07] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - we're planning to roll out nss 3.12.6 to hardy/jaunty at some point aren't we?
[18:07] <chrisccoulson> i'm just wondering whether nows the right time to do it
[18:07] <chrisccoulson> i'm trying to update seamonkey in hardy/jaunty to 2.0.5, and it needs the latest NSS
[18:08] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: I think the friday before UDS is not optimal
[18:08] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's probably not the best time then
[18:09] <chrisccoulson> i could get that in to the PPA though couldn't i?
[18:09] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: feel free to put it in the ppa
[18:09] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: I am not keen on a usn on it for next week though
[18:10] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - that's fine, just as long as i can start getting other things which depend on it in to the PPA
[18:10] <chrisccoulson> (eg, ff36)
[18:11] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - do we use a new USN for that, or the one that was used for karmic? (USN-927-2)
[18:11] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: our previous agreement was that we would not update nss in hardy-jaunty until firefox in those releases was updated to ff36 (which uses the embedded nss)
[18:11] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: -2. but you don't have to reference it in the changelog
[18:11] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: remember, we only preassign USNs for mozilla products where they don't give us the info beforehand
[18:12] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's fine. i'll get that in to the PPA this evening then
[18:12] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[18:13] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: with the new nss, we'll need to verify to not introduce the regressions on hardy-jaunty for bug #559881 and bug #559918
[18:13] <jdstrand> the first should be fixed by waiting on ff36 aiui
[18:14] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - yeah, i'll make sure of that. the last bug should be mitigated by the fact that we're going to update tb to tb3.0.x soon too
[18:14] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: so tbird may need an update for hardy-jaunty to handle the new nss, iirc
[18:14] <jdstrand> ok
[18:14] <chrisccoulson> well, i think the plan is to update tb too
[18:14] <jdstrand> yeah, this is way to much to soordinate/test/etc during UDS
[18:14] <chrisccoulson> i need to check with asac though (2.0.0.x is EOL now)
[18:15] <jdstrand> but I have no problems with you doing your work in the security ppa
[18:31] <micahg> chrisccoulson: unfortunately, gnome-shell fix is not easy, I'm having mozjs issues during build
[18:31] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I suggest we rebuild gjs this time and fix it before 1.9.2.5
[20:28] <LLStarks> okay
[20:29] <LLStarks> across 50 different fresh installs of ubuntu over the past year, not once has the plugin installer ever worked for me
[20:29] <LLStarks> what gives?
[20:29] <LLStarks> flash always fails
[20:30] <LLStarks> java always fails
[20:30] <LLStarks> what am i doing wrong?
[22:53] <micahg> chrisccoulson: any last thoughts before I go offline?
[23:15] <micahg> chrisccoulson: please send an e-mail if you need me to do anything before Monday
[23:19] <LLStarks> wow
[23:20] <LLStarks> i know why the plugin installer always fails
[23:20] <LLStarks> it needs a pristine sources.list in order to work