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akgranerabout a minute :-) and we can start00:00
akgraner#startmeeting00:01
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akgranerhi all  - just a quick meeting to go over a couple things that are coming up within the next few weeks00:01
akgranerwho is here for the meeting?00:01
akgraner0/00:01
cjohnstono/00:01
tyche+100:01
scott_ev+100:02
myrtlebeachbums+100:02
akgranerawesome!00:02
johnc4510and me00:02
akgranerhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Meetings/2010050600:02
akgraneris the short agenda - I'll make a better more formal one before the next meeting00:03
akgranerso UDS is next week  - who from the News team will be there00:03
akgraner0/00:03
cjohnstono/00:03
johnc4510:(00:03
scott_ev:(00:03
akgranerFridge editors count too as part of news team00:04
akgranerany fridge folks going pleia2 you are right?00:04
cjohnstonshe is00:05
pleia2oops, the meeting is here00:05
johnc4510hey pleia200:05
pleia2yep00:05
akgraneranyone else - I'm asking b/c there will be interviews from UDS and I was hoping to know who was available and stuff on site00:05
cjohnstonI'll volunteer Hope00:06
akgranercjohnston, :-)   thanks00:06
cjohnstonlol00:06
akgraner[topic] UDS  - Interviews00:06
Mootbot-UKNew Topic:  UDS  - Interviews00:06
akgranerguess I should have done that a minute ago  - sigh00:06
* nhandler won't be there00:07
akgranerso Popey and I will be handling some streaming and video interviews on site at UDS00:07
akgranerhumphreybc will be videoing as well00:07
johnc4510we should link that in this wks issue if you know where your putting it00:07
akgranerjohnc4510, not a def on the location until we get to UDS00:08
akgraner:-(00:08
johnc4510k00:08
akgranerbut it's a little bit closer to being locked it00:08
akgranerso I wanted everyone to know about that00:09
akgraner[Topic] - Fridge Blueprint00:09
Mootbot-UKNew Topic:  - Fridge Blueprint00:09
akgranerJoey registered a Fridge Blueprint for UDS00:09
akgraner[link] - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fridge/+spec/community-m-fridge-and-news-team00:10
Mootbot-UKLINK received:  - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fridge/+spec/community-m-fridge-and-news-team00:10
popeyi might be streaming some00:10
akgranerpopey, can you email url to where they can go to see them00:11
popeyakgraner: yes, i will use an online service, which i need to test00:11
akgranerif you know that in advance that way we can tell people in this weeks UWN where to check00:11
popeywill probably test on saturday00:11
popeyi dont want to pre-tell people the url because I might not be able to00:12
popeyif wifi reception is bad for example00:12
akgranergreat if you know before say Sunday 1900 UTC that would be great00:12
popeyor if lighting isnt good enough00:12
johnc4510we can also post it to the fridge closer to time if we don't know by sunday for the issue00:12
akgraner*nods*00:13
popeyI'll post to planet and/or fridge if that helps00:13
johnc4510so popey just email us the link anytime to the -news-team list and we'll post it then00:13
akgranerand I won't know url's to other stream until Sunday as well00:13
johnc4510popey: cool00:13
popeybut i dont want to pre-announce just in case00:13
johnc4510nods00:13
akgraner*nods*00:13
popeywouldn't want peoples expectations set too high00:13
akgranerpopey, set them low then dazzle :-)00:14
popey:D00:14
johnc4510lol00:14
akgranerso Fridge Blue Print - anyone not hear that the Fridge is moving to WP00:14
akgranergetting a new theme and all that good stuff00:15
nhandlerWho is going to be driving this transition? joey ?00:15
akgranernhandler, yes - joey00:15
johnc4510i'm so happy, nick and i tried to get it changed for a long time00:15
nhandlerI think jono was pushing for this a while ago as well00:15
akgranerwoo hoo - nick said the same thing :-)00:16
popeyyeah, jono set up a demo site at the last uds00:16
johnc4510nhandler: that's probably what got it thru00:16
akgranerso joey went over the information radiator concept with me and I think mentioned it in here a few times as well00:17
akgranerhttp://c2.com/cgi/wiki?InformationRadiator00:17
Mootbot-UKLINK received:  http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?InformationRadiator00:17
akgranerhttp://theagileexecutive.com/2010/03/15/how-to-construct-a-great-information-radiator/00:17
Mootbot-UKLINK received:  http://theagileexecutive.com/2010/03/15/how-to-construct-a-great-information-radiator/00:17
akgranerthose are the links joey had sent me to read about  - as that is what he mentioned the original purpose vision of the fridge was based on00:18
johnc4510? are those for statistics ?00:19
akgranersince I can now access the blueprint00:19
akgranerdoes anyone have ideas for it00:19
akgranerso I can add them to the blueprint00:19
johnc4510well we could set up something like a roadmap for the news team for the coming releases ???00:20
akgranerjohnc4510, he meant it as we are the temperature gage so to speak of the community00:20
akgraneryep :-)00:20
tycheWhy restrict it to releases?  There are other things going on in the Ubuntu community.00:20
akgranerto attach to the blueprint00:20
johnc4510nods00:20
akgranerwell each cycle teams have roadmaps and goals for that cycle00:21
tycheWhat one might call "Ubuntu Community at a Glance"00:21
akgranertyche - yeah I think the Fridge Team is already doing a great job of that btw00:22
akgranerbut we needed to get some more imput for the blueprint and ideas to go over at UDS00:22
tycheI'm talking about white-boarding it, like your link showed.00:22
johnc4510akgraner: agreed, i was thinking more of setting it up in community form...what the dev teams are doing, loco teams...etc....toward the release00:22
akgraneryes, but everything on the whiteboard is usually on a wiki as well00:23
akgraner:-)00:23
johnc4510maybe i'm not thinking right here00:23
johnc4510i think i need a better explaination maybe00:23
akgranersetting the Fridge up that way?00:23
akgraneror blueprint00:23
akgranerjohnc4510, you have confused me now00:23
johnc4510lol00:23
tycheWhat I'm talking about is a semi-graphic showing a title, a status indicator, and holding a link for more information.00:23
akgranerahh  - that was one example joey gave me00:24
tycheGreat minds, etc.  :-)00:24
johnc4510lol00:24
akgranerso anyone have ideas for the blueprint?00:24
akgranerI'll put up a wiki after the meeting - I am so new to the Fridge part - you all know better than me00:25
akgranerso I am deferring to you all for all that in put00:25
johnc4510are you asking what the new fridge set up should and shouldn't provide to us?00:25
akgraneryep :-)00:26
akgranerwhat do you think it was missing00:26
akgranerwhat worked00:26
johnc4510we need to be able to embed images and video00:26
akgranerwhat hasn't00:26
tycheMostly, organization.  Everything was on the front page.00:26
nhandlerThe link to the forum is a pita00:26
akgranerdo you want peer reviewed material written as original content for the Fridge people can submit00:26
johnc4510we also need a way for non-team members to post to the quay for approval by us00:27
akgranerthen x number of news team members review and ack or nack it00:27
pleia2yeah, that'd be great00:27
nhandlerjohnc4510: I think joey said that non-team members will be able to save stories as a draft somehow but not publish (don't quote me on that)00:27
nhandlerakgraner: If x == 1, then yes00:27
akgranerShould there be a separate Calendar added for LoCo teams00:28
akgranerso those meetings can be seen by community00:28
akgranereasily00:28
nhandlerakgraner: I think we can use the events feed from the LD for that00:28
johnc4510well, we can't really post all the loco team events to the fridge calendar00:28
johnc4510it would be a mess00:28
akgranerright so should there be a LoCo Calendar00:28
johnc4510nods...at least i think so00:29
akgranerpeople have complained  - that they can't access that stuff in one place easily00:29
akgranerwhat if they don't want to sign into LP00:29
akgraneretc00:29
akgranershould there be the Calendar for the Classroom events as well00:29
nhandlerakgraner: The LD should handle the LoCo stuff. We can then pull from the LD if we want to display certain info00:29
johnc4510classroom event i think can still go on the fridge calendar00:30
johnc4510but00:30
nhandlerjohnc4510: ClassRoom already has its own calendar00:30
johnc4510each event that is all day type should only be listed once00:31
johnc4510with a link to the agenda00:31
johnc4510k00:31
akgranernhandler, I just now learning what all LD is and is not for  - but was told by mhall that the events calendar was not for LoCo Team meetings so I guess I need to understand what is for00:31
nhandlerakgraner: I guess that depends on what "meeting" means00:31
nhandlerakgraner: For instance, I consider a release party a type of LoCo meeting00:31
akgranerteam meetings00:31
akgranerlike this00:31
tycheOne thing you will HAVE to do (based on my own experience) is convince people that they NEED to include a location and agenda.00:31
nhandlerakgraner: You mean *IRC* team meetings00:32
akgranernhandler, yes00:32
akgraner:-)00:32
johnc4510nods00:32
nhandlerakgraner: I don't think we need to include that stuff. The IRC meetings will usually only matter to the people in that LoCo00:32
akgranerhehe  - I gotta get y'all a crystalball to read my mind :-)00:32
nhandlerThey usually have their own calendars for that00:32
akgranernhandler, with the move to cross-collaborate00:33
cjohnstonI still want to make a LD that is only for IRC meetings.. in which you can rsvp00:33
tycheIf you look through the last few UWN's, you'll see a lot of "not listed as of publication" in those slots.00:33
akgranerand invite projects to talk to loco teams and stuff there is no easy way to see when teams are doing what00:33
nhandlertyche: I know when I've helped people add events, I link them to the wiki page and make sure they include that info00:33
tycheI know.  But there's still a lot of them who just haven't bothered to read how to do it, and don't ask for help.00:34
akgranerother loco teams are also curious as to how x team or another conducts their meetings00:34
akgranerand with searching their wiki pages etc still no easy way to located that information  - but that amy be just me00:35
tycheI know that, at one time, it was all filtered through one poor person (me) to add the information, and I used to go crazy tracking down people to get information.00:35
johnc4510nods00:35
nhandlerakgraner: I don't know, I still find that if I want to know when a certain team has there next meeting, it is easier to go to the wiki. I like a calendar to know what events are going on today00:35
johnc4510nods00:35
johnc4510i just drop into their channel and ask when the next meeting is00:36
akgranerone central calendar also paints a create picture in one stop to gage the activity of the LoCo Teams as a whole00:36
akgranerI guess I am looking both locally and globally00:36
nhandlerI guess the question is, would the community want this?00:36
nhandlerMaybe send an email to loco-contacts to find out00:37
akgranerwe can do that00:37
akgranerI was just asking the question00:37
akgranerand I also see no harm in trying and if it's not received well then you take it down00:37
akgranerno harm00:37
pleia2fwiw, changing the "It is used for #ubuntu-meeting." on our /calendar page might help a bit if we want to keep it as a general meetings calendar (everyone is confused about whether it should really be -meeting only or not, since it SAYS its only for -meeting but people tell them otherwise, and some don't bother with location...)00:37
johnc4510nods00:37
nhandlerakgraner: It would be a pain to setup, as you would need to hunt down each loco to add their meetings00:38
akgranerwhy can't the contacts add themselves?00:38
cjohnstonI think if we are going to do a LoCo meeting calendar, it needs to be seperate than the fridge calendar... otherwise its gonna be so overrun, you wont be able to read it00:39
akgranerI'll send an email00:39
johnc4510well, it's not strickly -meeting...for instance if it an event, like bug day, it might not be in -meeting00:39
nhandlerakgraner: They can, but it will take time for them to do it00:39
akgranercjohnston, yes - no one is disagreeing00:39
* johnc4510 agrees with cjohnston 00:39
pleia2johnc4510: right, but that's not what it says on the page, look at the text on fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar00:39
pleia2johnc4510: that's my point :)00:39
johnc4510pleia2: oh, i agree00:39
akgranerthat was never an issue - the questions was can we have a separate link to a LoCo Calendar00:40
nhandlerakgraner: links are easy enough to add00:40
akgranerthat's all :-)00:40
johnc4510i say yes....then if they don't use it we can scrap it, or if they do...great00:40
tycheThe flip side of that is what do you include in the UWN.00:40
akgranerand how the Calendar is populated we can work out00:40
akgranertyche, we aren't there yet - still blueprint for UDS00:41
akgraner:-)00:41
johnc4510yeah we can make that decission later...00:41
tycheRight now, Teams are adding their LoCo meetings to the calendar in order to have them published in the UWN.00:41
akgraner*nods*00:42
johnc4510thus this discussion00:42
akgranerThat was another issue for another day00:42
nhandlertyche: How many LoCos are doing that?00:42
akgranerabout UWN00:42
johnc4510brb00:42
tycheSorry, I tend to take a holistic approach to things00:42
akgranertyche, if you don't know off the top of your head we can figure it out this weekend00:42
tycheThere are at least 5 that I can think of, right off hand.00:43
tycheBut I couldn't name them, easily.00:43
akgranerso I think there are some great ideas here for the blueprint - I'll work on getting that written up and out to everyone00:43
johnc4510back00:43
akgranerso you all can tweak before UDS00:43
akgraner:-)00:43
johnc4510k00:43
akgranersound like a plan?00:44
johnc4510nods00:44
nhandlerYep00:44
nhandlerI think the new fridge will develop more once we have a physical wp installation to play with00:44
cjohnstonDC, cameroonian atleast00:44
akgraner[action] akgraner to add ideas from meeting to blueprint then sent to mailing list00:44
Mootbot-UKACTION received:  akgraner to add ideas from meeting to blueprint then sent to mailing list00:44
tycheMay I suggest that instructions for adding events to the calendar(s) be put on the page(s)?00:44
akgranertyche, good idea!00:45
nhandler+1 tyche00:45
tycheINCLUDING:  Times are listed in UTC00:45
akgraner*nods*00:45
nhandlertyche: Listed in UTC, but added in localtime00:45
johnc4510with link to agenda's if they have one00:46
akgraner[topic] publishing UWN for May 9 (this Sunday) and May 16th (next Sunday)00:46
Mootbot-UKNew Topic:  publishing UWN for May 9 (this Sunday) and May 16th (next Sunday)00:46
akgranerso UWN is normally published on Sunday's  - I'll be traveling both the 8th and the 15th - and Should providing there are no travel issues or wifi problems be able to publish from Brussels on Sunday00:47
akgranerand the same goes for the return trip the following weekend as I get back home on the night of he 15th00:48
johnc4510have a sprout for me00:48
johnc4510:)00:48
akgranerI should have almost all the content ready (at least links) for this issue late tomorrow00:48
tyche>>BAD PUN<<00:48
johnc4510:)00:48
johnc4510akgraner: np...we'll get it done00:49
akgranerin the event I am unable to help get it out the door - who besides out regular crew can be on stand by to lend a hand should johnc4510 need it?00:49
akgranerbasically summarizing some articles00:49
tycheI will be here on the 9th00:50
akgranercjohnston, will pull the stats on Sunday before he leaves so that is covered00:50
akgranertyche, thanks00:50
johnc4510this wks. issue will be full again i think...the second one will taper off some00:50
cjohnstonand on the google docs page incase someone messes with it00:50
akgranerPen said she would copy my google doc and do some stuff off line as well00:50
akgranerjohnc4510, tyche scott_ev will you be available as well this weekend?00:51
johnc4510akgraner: you need to give me the link to the google docs page just in case please00:51
akgranermyrtlebeachbums, I need to give you the links as well00:51
johnc4510i will...as always00:51
akgranerjohnc4510, I think you have it00:51
myrtlebeachbumsk00:51
akgraner:-) but I'll send it again00:51
johnc4510kk00:52
akgranerit anyone else wants to help out just let me know and I'll give ya a section of the newsletter to help with00:52
johnc4510i haven't bookmarked it so please resend it00:52
MTecknologyI'd love to find the time to help out :(00:52
akgranerWe will also be adding content nightly at UDS - and by we I guess I mean me and whomever wants to help from there00:52
johnc4510MTecknology: just jump in HEE HEE00:53
akgranerok one last thing00:53
* imbrandon got the UTC time wrong :(00:53
MTecknologyjohnc4510: I've done that in too many places :(00:53
johnc4510:)00:53
akgraner[topic] - 200th ISSUE00:53
Mootbot-UKNew Topic:  - 200th ISSUE00:53
akgranerwoo hoo00:53
MTecknologyparty :)00:53
johnc4510w00t!!!00:53
akgranerthe 200th Issue will be publish July 4th Weekend00:53
akgranerso it is approaching fast00:54
akgranersome of the interviews we will conduct at UDS will be for this issue00:54
akgranerand not that we want  hide or not be transparent - but some of that we want to be a surprise for readers on that weekend00:55
tycheakgraner: Do you have someone who can do transcription?00:55
johnc4510i hope you have mark, jane and jono at the top of the list00:55
akgraneryes and couple people have said they would help00:55
akgranerjohnc4510, yep they are on the list00:55
johnc4510akgraner: so, these are video interviews??00:56
akgraneryes about UDS00:56
akgranerlike last time00:56
akgranerbut the 200th issue one - will be print00:56
akgraneremail  - however you want to say it00:56
akgranerbut I can see if we can get short video clips from them about UWN as well00:57
akgranerHere is the link to the 100th Issue00:57
akgranerhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue10000:57
akgranerover the next week if you have suggestions for this issue  - I'll have a wiki page up for you to add to00:58
johnc4510good, we need to get the outline started00:58
akgraneris there anyone who wants to suggested anything now?00:58
johnc4510time is running00:58
akgranerthat maybe wasn't included in the 100th that you were like - dang we should have done x00:59
akgranerwe have about a minute - I didn't intend to keep everyone this long sorry00:59
johnc4510the thing that is changing in some cases are the different people01:00
akgraneranything else before I close the meeting01:00
johnc4510nope01:00
johnc4510just that we need to get started on this...outline especially01:00
akgranerthank you every one !  Any objections to monthly news meetings?01:00
johnc4510no01:00
nhandlerNope01:00
nhandlerJust get them on the fridge01:01
akgranernhandler, :-)01:01
MTecknologyI liked the email announce too01:01
imbrandonnope, great idea, i just need to pay better attention to the clock, and i think -meeting would be better01:01
* johnc4510 says...if that's it....later all01:01
* nhandler can't remember the reasoning for using -news instead of -meeting01:01
imbrandonnhandler: there was another meeting in there at 230001:01
imbrandonbut not 22 or 24 ;)01:02
akgraner-meeting is not always going to be available01:02
johnc4510as we get further along on the 200th issue planning we don't want everyone knowing what's going to be in it01:02
akgranerand -meeting does not have Mootbot-UK01:02
akgraner:-)01:02
johnc4510it is suppose to be news lol01:02
akgranerso  - anyone want to chair the meeting next time01:02
cjohnstonwhen is it01:03
johnc4510i can if you or someone else doesn't want to01:03
akgranerI sent out a survey  - Thursday 2300 was the most popular time01:03
cjohnstonwhich thursday01:03
akgranerany thursday01:03
imbrandonfirst thursday's of the month seem good, since this is01:04
akgranerI think everyone who wants to should have a turn at leading meetings01:04
akgranerso since cjohnston volunteered -01:04
cjohnstonso thursday the third?01:04
cjohnstoni what?01:04
johnc4510i did, not cjohnston01:04
johnc4510lol01:04
johnc4510cjohnston: lol01:04
akgranerHow does June 3rd, 2010 - 2300 sound01:05
cjohnstonas long as its not a work day i can01:05
cjohnstonim good with it01:05
imbrandonsounds good to me01:05
johnc4510k01:05
akgraner[action] next news team meeting - June 3rd, 2010 - 2300 in ubuntu-news - cjohnston to chair01:05
Mootbot-UKACTION received:  next news team meeting - June 3rd, 2010 - 2300 in ubuntu-news - cjohnston to chair01:05
akgraner#endmeeting01:05
Mootbot-UKMeeting finished at 00:05.01:05
akgranerthanks everyone01:06
imbrandonwho's doing the minutes since i seems to have been late by ~50 miunutes01:06
cjohnstonyay.. now to my next meeting01:06
akgranerimbrandon, I am01:06
imbrandonakgraner: /me hugs01:06
akgranerI'll get them up in just a few01:06
imbrandonty ty01:06
akgranerI've been online all day  - I need to step away for a few but I'll send every thing to the list and drop a link in here01:07
imbrandonsure thing, yes, please take a break, cant have ya burned out01:08
imbrandon:)01:08
joeygreat meeting guys13:06
joeysorry I had trouble getting on IRC here in Belgium13:07
joeyports are blocked except in the conference center13:07
joeyakgraner: you did a great job13:07
akgranerjoey, ahh - I'll have the logs up in a little while - I was exhausted last night13:08
akgranerand I saw I could add to the blueprint now - so I'll work on that as well13:09
joeysuperb13:09
joeythanks very much for your leadership and help13:09
akgranerjoey, thanks!13:50
akgranerhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Meetings  Logs from meeting21:19

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