[00:00] about a minute :-) and we can start [00:01] #startmeeting [00:01] Meeting started at 23:01. The chair is akgraner. [00:01] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [PROGRESS REPORT], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [00:01] hi all - just a quick meeting to go over a couple things that are coming up within the next few weeks [00:01] who is here for the meeting? [00:01] 0/ [00:01] o/ [00:01] +1 [00:02] +1 [00:02] +1 [00:02] awesome! [00:02] and me [00:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Meetings/20100506 [00:03] is the short agenda - I'll make a better more formal one before the next meeting [00:03] so UDS is next week - who from the News team will be there [00:03] 0/ [00:03] o/ [00:03] :( [00:03] :( [00:04] Fridge editors count too as part of news team [00:04] any fridge folks going pleia2 you are right? [00:05] she is [00:05] oops, the meeting is here [00:05] hey pleia2 [00:05] yep [00:05] anyone else - I'm asking b/c there will be interviews from UDS and I was hoping to know who was available and stuff on site [00:06] I'll volunteer Hope [00:06] cjohnston, :-) thanks [00:06] lol [00:06] [topic] UDS - Interviews [00:06] New Topic: UDS - Interviews [00:06] guess I should have done that a minute ago - sigh [00:07] * nhandler won't be there [00:07] so Popey and I will be handling some streaming and video interviews on site at UDS [00:07] humphreybc will be videoing as well [00:07] we should link that in this wks issue if you know where your putting it [00:08] johnc4510, not a def on the location until we get to UDS [00:08] :-( [00:08] k [00:08] but it's a little bit closer to being locked it [00:09] so I wanted everyone to know about that [00:09] [Topic] - Fridge Blueprint [00:09] New Topic: - Fridge Blueprint [00:09] Joey registered a Fridge Blueprint for UDS [00:10] [link] - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fridge/+spec/community-m-fridge-and-news-team [00:10] LINK received: - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fridge/+spec/community-m-fridge-and-news-team [00:10] i might be streaming some [00:11] popey, can you email url to where they can go to see them [00:11] akgraner: yes, i will use an online service, which i need to test [00:11] if you know that in advance that way we can tell people in this weeks UWN where to check [00:11] will probably test on saturday [00:12] i dont want to pre-tell people the url because I might not be able to [00:12] if wifi reception is bad for example [00:12] great if you know before say Sunday 1900 UTC that would be great [00:12] or if lighting isnt good enough [00:12] we can also post it to the fridge closer to time if we don't know by sunday for the issue [00:13] *nods* [00:13] I'll post to planet and/or fridge if that helps [00:13] so popey just email us the link anytime to the -news-team list and we'll post it then [00:13] and I won't know url's to other stream until Sunday as well [00:13] popey: cool [00:13] but i dont want to pre-announce just in case [00:13] nods [00:13] *nods* [00:13] wouldn't want peoples expectations set too high [00:14] popey, set them low then dazzle :-) [00:14] :D [00:14] lol [00:14] so Fridge Blue Print - anyone not hear that the Fridge is moving to WP [00:15] getting a new theme and all that good stuff [00:15] Who is going to be driving this transition? joey ? [00:15] nhandler, yes - joey [00:15] i'm so happy, nick and i tried to get it changed for a long time [00:15] I think jono was pushing for this a while ago as well [00:16] woo hoo - nick said the same thing :-) [00:16] yeah, jono set up a demo site at the last uds [00:16] nhandler: that's probably what got it thru [00:17] so joey went over the information radiator concept with me and I think mentioned it in here a few times as well [00:17] http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?InformationRadiator [00:17] LINK received: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?InformationRadiator [00:17] http://theagileexecutive.com/2010/03/15/how-to-construct-a-great-information-radiator/ [00:17] LINK received: http://theagileexecutive.com/2010/03/15/how-to-construct-a-great-information-radiator/ [00:18] those are the links joey had sent me to read about - as that is what he mentioned the original purpose vision of the fridge was based on [00:19] ? are those for statistics ? [00:19] since I can now access the blueprint [00:19] does anyone have ideas for it [00:19] so I can add them to the blueprint [00:20] well we could set up something like a roadmap for the news team for the coming releases ??? [00:20] johnc4510, he meant it as we are the temperature gage so to speak of the community [00:20] yep :-) [00:20] Why restrict it to releases? There are other things going on in the Ubuntu community. [00:20] to attach to the blueprint [00:20] nods [00:21] well each cycle teams have roadmaps and goals for that cycle [00:21] What one might call "Ubuntu Community at a Glance" [00:22] tyche - yeah I think the Fridge Team is already doing a great job of that btw [00:22] but we needed to get some more imput for the blueprint and ideas to go over at UDS [00:22] I'm talking about white-boarding it, like your link showed. [00:22] akgraner: agreed, i was thinking more of setting it up in community form...what the dev teams are doing, loco teams...etc....toward the release [00:23] yes, but everything on the whiteboard is usually on a wiki as well [00:23] :-) [00:23] maybe i'm not thinking right here [00:23] i think i need a better explaination maybe [00:23] setting the Fridge up that way? [00:23] or blueprint [00:23] johnc4510, you have confused me now [00:23] lol [00:23] What I'm talking about is a semi-graphic showing a title, a status indicator, and holding a link for more information. [00:24] ahh - that was one example joey gave me [00:24] Great minds, etc. :-) [00:24] lol [00:24] so anyone have ideas for the blueprint? [00:25] I'll put up a wiki after the meeting - I am so new to the Fridge part - you all know better than me [00:25] so I am deferring to you all for all that in put [00:25] are you asking what the new fridge set up should and shouldn't provide to us? [00:26] yep :-) [00:26] what do you think it was missing [00:26] what worked [00:26] we need to be able to embed images and video [00:26] what hasn't [00:26] Mostly, organization. Everything was on the front page. [00:26] The link to the forum is a pita [00:26] do you want peer reviewed material written as original content for the Fridge people can submit [00:27] we also need a way for non-team members to post to the quay for approval by us [00:27] then x number of news team members review and ack or nack it [00:27] yeah, that'd be great [00:27] johnc4510: I think joey said that non-team members will be able to save stories as a draft somehow but not publish (don't quote me on that) [00:27] akgraner: If x == 1, then yes [00:28] Should there be a separate Calendar added for LoCo teams [00:28] so those meetings can be seen by community [00:28] easily [00:28] akgraner: I think we can use the events feed from the LD for that [00:28] well, we can't really post all the loco team events to the fridge calendar [00:28] it would be a mess [00:28] right so should there be a LoCo Calendar [00:29] nods...at least i think so [00:29] people have complained - that they can't access that stuff in one place easily [00:29] what if they don't want to sign into LP [00:29] etc [00:29] should there be the Calendar for the Classroom events as well [00:29] akgraner: The LD should handle the LoCo stuff. We can then pull from the LD if we want to display certain info [00:30] classroom event i think can still go on the fridge calendar [00:30] but [00:30] johnc4510: ClassRoom already has its own calendar [00:31] each event that is all day type should only be listed once [00:31] with a link to the agenda [00:31] k [00:31] nhandler, I just now learning what all LD is and is not for - but was told by mhall that the events calendar was not for LoCo Team meetings so I guess I need to understand what is for [00:31] akgraner: I guess that depends on what "meeting" means [00:31] akgraner: For instance, I consider a release party a type of LoCo meeting [00:31] team meetings [00:31] like this [00:31] One thing you will HAVE to do (based on my own experience) is convince people that they NEED to include a location and agenda. [00:32] akgraner: You mean *IRC* team meetings [00:32] nhandler, yes [00:32] :-) [00:32] nods [00:32] akgraner: I don't think we need to include that stuff. The IRC meetings will usually only matter to the people in that LoCo [00:32] hehe - I gotta get y'all a crystalball to read my mind :-) [00:32] They usually have their own calendars for that [00:33] nhandler, with the move to cross-collaborate [00:33] I still want to make a LD that is only for IRC meetings.. in which you can rsvp [00:33] If you look through the last few UWN's, you'll see a lot of "not listed as of publication" in those slots. [00:33] and invite projects to talk to loco teams and stuff there is no easy way to see when teams are doing what [00:33] tyche: I know when I've helped people add events, I link them to the wiki page and make sure they include that info [00:34] I know. But there's still a lot of them who just haven't bothered to read how to do it, and don't ask for help. [00:34] other loco teams are also curious as to how x team or another conducts their meetings [00:35] and with searching their wiki pages etc still no easy way to located that information - but that amy be just me [00:35] I know that, at one time, it was all filtered through one poor person (me) to add the information, and I used to go crazy tracking down people to get information. [00:35] nods [00:35] akgraner: I don't know, I still find that if I want to know when a certain team has there next meeting, it is easier to go to the wiki. I like a calendar to know what events are going on today [00:35] nods [00:36] i just drop into their channel and ask when the next meeting is [00:36] one central calendar also paints a create picture in one stop to gage the activity of the LoCo Teams as a whole [00:36] I guess I am looking both locally and globally [00:36] I guess the question is, would the community want this? [00:37] Maybe send an email to loco-contacts to find out [00:37] we can do that [00:37] I was just asking the question [00:37] and I also see no harm in trying and if it's not received well then you take it down [00:37] no harm [00:37] fwiw, changing the "It is used for #ubuntu-meeting." on our /calendar page might help a bit if we want to keep it as a general meetings calendar (everyone is confused about whether it should really be -meeting only or not, since it SAYS its only for -meeting but people tell them otherwise, and some don't bother with location...) [00:37] nods [00:38] akgraner: It would be a pain to setup, as you would need to hunt down each loco to add their meetings [00:38] why can't the contacts add themselves? [00:39] I think if we are going to do a LoCo meeting calendar, it needs to be seperate than the fridge calendar... otherwise its gonna be so overrun, you wont be able to read it [00:39] I'll send an email [00:39] well, it's not strickly -meeting...for instance if it an event, like bug day, it might not be in -meeting [00:39] akgraner: They can, but it will take time for them to do it [00:39] cjohnston, yes - no one is disagreeing [00:39] * johnc4510 agrees with cjohnston [00:39] johnc4510: right, but that's not what it says on the page, look at the text on fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar [00:39] johnc4510: that's my point :) [00:39] pleia2: oh, i agree [00:40] that was never an issue - the questions was can we have a separate link to a LoCo Calendar [00:40] akgraner: links are easy enough to add [00:40] that's all :-) [00:40] i say yes....then if they don't use it we can scrap it, or if they do...great [00:40] The flip side of that is what do you include in the UWN. [00:40] and how the Calendar is populated we can work out [00:41] tyche, we aren't there yet - still blueprint for UDS [00:41] :-) [00:41] yeah we can make that decission later... [00:41] Right now, Teams are adding their LoCo meetings to the calendar in order to have them published in the UWN. [00:42] *nods* [00:42] thus this discussion [00:42] That was another issue for another day [00:42] tyche: How many LoCos are doing that? [00:42] about UWN [00:42] brb [00:42] Sorry, I tend to take a holistic approach to things [00:42] tyche, if you don't know off the top of your head we can figure it out this weekend [00:43] There are at least 5 that I can think of, right off hand. [00:43] But I couldn't name them, easily. [00:43] so I think there are some great ideas here for the blueprint - I'll work on getting that written up and out to everyone [00:43] back [00:43] so you all can tweak before UDS [00:43] :-) [00:43] k [00:44] sound like a plan? [00:44] nods [00:44] Yep [00:44] I think the new fridge will develop more once we have a physical wp installation to play with [00:44] DC, cameroonian atleast [00:44] [action] akgraner to add ideas from meeting to blueprint then sent to mailing list [00:44] ACTION received: akgraner to add ideas from meeting to blueprint then sent to mailing list [00:44] May I suggest that instructions for adding events to the calendar(s) be put on the page(s)? [00:45] tyche, good idea! [00:45] +1 tyche [00:45] INCLUDING: Times are listed in UTC [00:45] *nods* [00:45] tyche: Listed in UTC, but added in localtime [00:46] with link to agenda's if they have one [00:46] [topic] publishing UWN for May 9 (this Sunday) and May 16th (next Sunday) [00:46] New Topic: publishing UWN for May 9 (this Sunday) and May 16th (next Sunday) [00:47] so UWN is normally published on Sunday's - I'll be traveling both the 8th and the 15th - and Should providing there are no travel issues or wifi problems be able to publish from Brussels on Sunday [00:48] and the same goes for the return trip the following weekend as I get back home on the night of he 15th [00:48] have a sprout for me [00:48] :) [00:48] I should have almost all the content ready (at least links) for this issue late tomorrow [00:48] >>BAD PUN<< [00:48] :) [00:49] akgraner: np...we'll get it done [00:49] in the event I am unable to help get it out the door - who besides out regular crew can be on stand by to lend a hand should johnc4510 need it? [00:49] basically summarizing some articles [00:50] I will be here on the 9th [00:50] cjohnston, will pull the stats on Sunday before he leaves so that is covered [00:50] tyche, thanks [00:50] this wks. issue will be full again i think...the second one will taper off some [00:50] and on the google docs page incase someone messes with it [00:50] Pen said she would copy my google doc and do some stuff off line as well [00:51] johnc4510, tyche scott_ev will you be available as well this weekend? [00:51] akgraner: you need to give me the link to the google docs page just in case please [00:51] myrtlebeachbums, I need to give you the links as well [00:51] i will...as always [00:51] johnc4510, I think you have it [00:51] k [00:51] :-) but I'll send it again [00:52] kk [00:52] it anyone else wants to help out just let me know and I'll give ya a section of the newsletter to help with [00:52] i haven't bookmarked it so please resend it [00:52] I'd love to find the time to help out :( [00:52] We will also be adding content nightly at UDS - and by we I guess I mean me and whomever wants to help from there [00:53] MTecknology: just jump in HEE HEE [00:53] ok one last thing [00:53] * imbrandon got the UTC time wrong :( [00:53] johnc4510: I've done that in too many places :( [00:53] :) [00:53] [topic] - 200th ISSUE [00:53] New Topic: - 200th ISSUE [00:53] woo hoo [00:53] party :) [00:53] w00t!!! [00:53] the 200th Issue will be publish July 4th Weekend [00:54] so it is approaching fast [00:54] some of the interviews we will conduct at UDS will be for this issue [00:55] and not that we want hide or not be transparent - but some of that we want to be a surprise for readers on that weekend [00:55] akgraner: Do you have someone who can do transcription? [00:55] i hope you have mark, jane and jono at the top of the list [00:55] yes and couple people have said they would help [00:55] johnc4510, yep they are on the list [00:56] akgraner: so, these are video interviews?? [00:56] yes about UDS [00:56] like last time [00:56] but the 200th issue one - will be print [00:56] email - however you want to say it [00:57] but I can see if we can get short video clips from them about UWN as well [00:57] Here is the link to the 100th Issue [00:57] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue100 [00:58] over the next week if you have suggestions for this issue - I'll have a wiki page up for you to add to [00:58] good, we need to get the outline started [00:58] is there anyone who wants to suggested anything now? [00:58] time is running [00:59] that maybe wasn't included in the 100th that you were like - dang we should have done x [00:59] we have about a minute - I didn't intend to keep everyone this long sorry [01:00] the thing that is changing in some cases are the different people [01:00] anything else before I close the meeting [01:00] nope [01:00] just that we need to get started on this...outline especially [01:00] thank you every one ! Any objections to monthly news meetings? [01:00] no [01:00] Nope [01:01] Just get them on the fridge [01:01] nhandler, :-) [01:01] I liked the email announce too [01:01] nope, great idea, i just need to pay better attention to the clock, and i think -meeting would be better [01:01] * johnc4510 says...if that's it....later all [01:01] * nhandler can't remember the reasoning for using -news instead of -meeting [01:01] nhandler: there was another meeting in there at 2300 [01:02] but not 22 or 24 ;) [01:02] -meeting is not always going to be available [01:02] as we get further along on the 200th issue planning we don't want everyone knowing what's going to be in it [01:02] and -meeting does not have Mootbot-UK [01:02] :-) [01:02] it is suppose to be news lol [01:02] so - anyone want to chair the meeting next time [01:03] when is it [01:03] i can if you or someone else doesn't want to [01:03] I sent out a survey - Thursday 2300 was the most popular time [01:03] which thursday [01:03] any thursday [01:04] first thursday's of the month seem good, since this is [01:04] I think everyone who wants to should have a turn at leading meetings [01:04] so since cjohnston volunteered - [01:04] so thursday the third? [01:04] i what? [01:04] i did, not cjohnston [01:04] lol [01:04] cjohnston: lol [01:05] How does June 3rd, 2010 - 2300 sound [01:05] as long as its not a work day i can [01:05] im good with it [01:05] sounds good to me [01:05] k [01:05] [action] next news team meeting - June 3rd, 2010 - 2300 in ubuntu-news - cjohnston to chair [01:05] ACTION received: next news team meeting - June 3rd, 2010 - 2300 in ubuntu-news - cjohnston to chair [01:05] #endmeeting [01:05] Meeting finished at 00:05. [01:06] thanks everyone [01:06] who's doing the minutes since i seems to have been late by ~50 miunutes [01:06] yay.. now to my next meeting [01:06] imbrandon, I am [01:06] akgraner: /me hugs [01:06] I'll get them up in just a few [01:06] ty ty [01:07] I've been online all day - I need to step away for a few but I'll send every thing to the list and drop a link in here [01:08] sure thing, yes, please take a break, cant have ya burned out [01:08] :) [13:06] great meeting guys [13:07] sorry I had trouble getting on IRC here in Belgium [13:07] ports are blocked except in the conference center [13:07] akgraner: you did a great job [13:08] joey, ahh - I'll have the logs up in a little while - I was exhausted last night [13:09] and I saw I could add to the blueprint now - so I'll work on that as well [13:09] superb [13:09] thanks very much for your leadership and help [13:50] joey, thanks! [21:19] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Meetings Logs from meeting