[00:00] <akgraner> about a minute :-) and we can start
[00:01] <akgraner> #startmeeting
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[00:01] <akgraner> hi all  - just a quick meeting to go over a couple things that are coming up within the next few weeks
[00:01] <akgraner> who is here for the meeting?
[00:01] <akgraner> 0/
[00:01] <cjohnston> o/
[00:01] <tyche> +1
[00:02] <scott_ev> +1
[00:02] <myrtlebeachbums> +1
[00:02] <akgraner> awesome!
[00:02] <johnc4510> and me
[00:02] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Meetings/20100506
[00:03] <akgraner> is the short agenda - I'll make a better more formal one before the next meeting
[00:03] <akgraner> so UDS is next week  - who from the News team will be there
[00:03] <akgraner> 0/
[00:03] <cjohnston> o/
[00:03] <johnc4510> :(
[00:03] <scott_ev> :(
[00:04] <akgraner> Fridge editors count too as part of news team
[00:04] <akgraner> any fridge folks going pleia2 you are right?
[00:05] <cjohnston> she is
[00:05] <pleia2> oops, the meeting is here
[00:05] <johnc4510> hey pleia2
[00:05] <pleia2> yep
[00:05] <akgraner> anyone else - I'm asking b/c there will be interviews from UDS and I was hoping to know who was available and stuff on site
[00:06] <cjohnston> I'll volunteer Hope
[00:06] <akgraner> cjohnston, :-)   thanks
[00:06] <cjohnston> lol
[00:06] <akgraner> [topic] UDS  - Interviews
[00:06] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  UDS  - Interviews
[00:06] <akgraner> guess I should have done that a minute ago  - sigh
[00:07]  * nhandler won't be there
[00:07] <akgraner> so Popey and I will be handling some streaming and video interviews on site at UDS
[00:07] <akgraner> humphreybc will be videoing as well
[00:07] <johnc4510> we should link that in this wks issue if you know where your putting it
[00:08] <akgraner> johnc4510, not a def on the location until we get to UDS
[00:08] <akgraner> :-(
[00:08] <johnc4510> k
[00:08] <akgraner> but it's a little bit closer to being locked it
[00:09] <akgraner> so I wanted everyone to know about that
[00:09] <akgraner> [Topic] - Fridge Blueprint
[00:09] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  - Fridge Blueprint
[00:09] <akgraner> Joey registered a Fridge Blueprint for UDS
[00:10] <akgraner> [link] - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fridge/+spec/community-m-fridge-and-news-team
[00:10] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fridge/+spec/community-m-fridge-and-news-team
[00:10] <popey> i might be streaming some
[00:11] <akgraner> popey, can you email url to where they can go to see them
[00:11] <popey> akgraner: yes, i will use an online service, which i need to test
[00:11] <akgraner> if you know that in advance that way we can tell people in this weeks UWN where to check
[00:11] <popey> will probably test on saturday
[00:12] <popey> i dont want to pre-tell people the url because I might not be able to
[00:12] <popey> if wifi reception is bad for example
[00:12] <akgraner> great if you know before say Sunday 1900 UTC that would be great
[00:12] <popey> or if lighting isnt good enough
[00:12] <johnc4510> we can also post it to the fridge closer to time if we don't know by sunday for the issue
[00:13] <akgraner> *nods*
[00:13] <popey> I'll post to planet and/or fridge if that helps
[00:13] <johnc4510> so popey just email us the link anytime to the -news-team list and we'll post it then
[00:13] <akgraner> and I won't know url's to other stream until Sunday as well
[00:13] <johnc4510> popey: cool
[00:13] <popey> but i dont want to pre-announce just in case
[00:13] <johnc4510> nods
[00:13] <akgraner> *nods*
[00:13] <popey> wouldn't want peoples expectations set too high
[00:14] <akgraner> popey, set them low then dazzle :-)
[00:14] <popey> :D
[00:14] <johnc4510> lol
[00:14] <akgraner> so Fridge Blue Print - anyone not hear that the Fridge is moving to WP
[00:15] <akgraner> getting a new theme and all that good stuff
[00:15] <nhandler> Who is going to be driving this transition? joey ?
[00:15] <akgraner> nhandler, yes - joey
[00:15] <johnc4510> i'm so happy, nick and i tried to get it changed for a long time
[00:15] <nhandler> I think jono was pushing for this a while ago as well
[00:16] <akgraner> woo hoo - nick said the same thing :-)
[00:16] <popey> yeah, jono set up a demo site at the last uds
[00:16] <johnc4510> nhandler: that's probably what got it thru
[00:17] <akgraner> so joey went over the information radiator concept with me and I think mentioned it in here a few times as well
[00:17] <akgraner> http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?InformationRadiator
[00:17] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?InformationRadiator
[00:17] <akgraner> http://theagileexecutive.com/2010/03/15/how-to-construct-a-great-information-radiator/
[00:17] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  http://theagileexecutive.com/2010/03/15/how-to-construct-a-great-information-radiator/
[00:18] <akgraner> those are the links joey had sent me to read about  - as that is what he mentioned the original purpose vision of the fridge was based on
[00:19] <johnc4510> ? are those for statistics ?
[00:19] <akgraner> since I can now access the blueprint
[00:19] <akgraner> does anyone have ideas for it
[00:19] <akgraner> so I can add them to the blueprint
[00:20] <johnc4510> well we could set up something like a roadmap for the news team for the coming releases ???
[00:20] <akgraner> johnc4510, he meant it as we are the temperature gage so to speak of the community
[00:20] <akgraner> yep :-)
[00:20] <tyche> Why restrict it to releases?  There are other things going on in the Ubuntu community.
[00:20] <akgraner> to attach to the blueprint
[00:20] <johnc4510> nods
[00:21] <akgraner> well each cycle teams have roadmaps and goals for that cycle
[00:21] <tyche> What one might call "Ubuntu Community at a Glance"
[00:22] <akgraner> tyche - yeah I think the Fridge Team is already doing a great job of that btw
[00:22] <akgraner> but we needed to get some more imput for the blueprint and ideas to go over at UDS
[00:22] <tyche> I'm talking about white-boarding it, like your link showed.
[00:22] <johnc4510> akgraner: agreed, i was thinking more of setting it up in community form...what the dev teams are doing, loco teams...etc....toward the release
[00:23] <akgraner> yes, but everything on the whiteboard is usually on a wiki as well
[00:23] <akgraner> :-)
[00:23] <johnc4510> maybe i'm not thinking right here
[00:23] <johnc4510> i think i need a better explaination maybe
[00:23] <akgraner> setting the Fridge up that way?
[00:23] <akgraner> or blueprint
[00:23] <akgraner> johnc4510, you have confused me now
[00:23] <johnc4510> lol
[00:23] <tyche> What I'm talking about is a semi-graphic showing a title, a status indicator, and holding a link for more information.
[00:24] <akgraner> ahh  - that was one example joey gave me
[00:24] <tyche> Great minds, etc.  :-)
[00:24] <johnc4510> lol
[00:24] <akgraner> so anyone have ideas for the blueprint?
[00:25] <akgraner> I'll put up a wiki after the meeting - I am so new to the Fridge part - you all know better than me
[00:25] <akgraner> so I am deferring to you all for all that in put
[00:25] <johnc4510> are you asking what the new fridge set up should and shouldn't provide to us?
[00:26] <akgraner> yep :-)
[00:26] <akgraner> what do you think it was missing
[00:26] <akgraner> what worked
[00:26] <johnc4510> we need to be able to embed images and video
[00:26] <akgraner> what hasn't
[00:26] <tyche> Mostly, organization.  Everything was on the front page.
[00:26] <nhandler> The link to the forum is a pita
[00:26] <akgraner> do you want peer reviewed material written as original content for the Fridge people can submit
[00:27] <johnc4510> we also need a way for non-team members to post to the quay for approval by us
[00:27] <akgraner> then x number of news team members review and ack or nack it
[00:27] <pleia2> yeah, that'd be great
[00:27] <nhandler> johnc4510: I think joey said that non-team members will be able to save stories as a draft somehow but not publish (don't quote me on that)
[00:27] <nhandler> akgraner: If x == 1, then yes
[00:28] <akgraner> Should there be a separate Calendar added for LoCo teams
[00:28] <akgraner> so those meetings can be seen by community
[00:28] <akgraner> easily
[00:28] <nhandler> akgraner: I think we can use the events feed from the LD for that
[00:28] <johnc4510> well, we can't really post all the loco team events to the fridge calendar
[00:28] <johnc4510> it would be a mess
[00:28] <akgraner> right so should there be a LoCo Calendar
[00:29] <johnc4510> nods...at least i think so
[00:29] <akgraner> people have complained  - that they can't access that stuff in one place easily
[00:29] <akgraner> what if they don't want to sign into LP
[00:29] <akgraner> etc
[00:29] <akgraner> should there be the Calendar for the Classroom events as well
[00:29] <nhandler> akgraner: The LD should handle the LoCo stuff. We can then pull from the LD if we want to display certain info
[00:30] <johnc4510> classroom event i think can still go on the fridge calendar
[00:30] <johnc4510> but
[00:30] <nhandler> johnc4510: ClassRoom already has its own calendar
[00:31] <johnc4510> each event that is all day type should only be listed once
[00:31] <johnc4510> with a link to the agenda
[00:31] <johnc4510> k
[00:31] <akgraner> nhandler, I just now learning what all LD is and is not for  - but was told by mhall that the events calendar was not for LoCo Team meetings so I guess I need to understand what is for
[00:31] <nhandler> akgraner: I guess that depends on what "meeting" means
[00:31] <nhandler> akgraner: For instance, I consider a release party a type of LoCo meeting
[00:31] <akgraner> team meetings
[00:31] <akgraner> like this
[00:31] <tyche> One thing you will HAVE to do (based on my own experience) is convince people that they NEED to include a location and agenda.
[00:32] <nhandler> akgraner: You mean *IRC* team meetings
[00:32] <akgraner> nhandler, yes
[00:32] <akgraner> :-)
[00:32] <johnc4510> nods
[00:32] <nhandler> akgraner: I don't think we need to include that stuff. The IRC meetings will usually only matter to the people in that LoCo
[00:32] <akgraner> hehe  - I gotta get y'all a crystalball to read my mind :-)
[00:32] <nhandler> They usually have their own calendars for that
[00:33] <akgraner> nhandler, with the move to cross-collaborate
[00:33] <cjohnston> I still want to make a LD that is only for IRC meetings.. in which you can rsvp
[00:33] <tyche> If you look through the last few UWN's, you'll see a lot of "not listed as of publication" in those slots.
[00:33] <akgraner> and invite projects to talk to loco teams and stuff there is no easy way to see when teams are doing what
[00:33] <nhandler> tyche: I know when I've helped people add events, I link them to the wiki page and make sure they include that info
[00:34] <tyche> I know.  But there's still a lot of them who just haven't bothered to read how to do it, and don't ask for help.
[00:34] <akgraner> other loco teams are also curious as to how x team or another conducts their meetings
[00:35] <akgraner> and with searching their wiki pages etc still no easy way to located that information  - but that amy be just me
[00:35] <tyche> I know that, at one time, it was all filtered through one poor person (me) to add the information, and I used to go crazy tracking down people to get information.
[00:35] <johnc4510> nods
[00:35] <nhandler> akgraner: I don't know, I still find that if I want to know when a certain team has there next meeting, it is easier to go to the wiki. I like a calendar to know what events are going on today
[00:35] <johnc4510> nods
[00:36] <johnc4510> i just drop into their channel and ask when the next meeting is
[00:36] <akgraner> one central calendar also paints a create picture in one stop to gage the activity of the LoCo Teams as a whole
[00:36] <akgraner> I guess I am looking both locally and globally
[00:36] <nhandler> I guess the question is, would the community want this?
[00:37] <nhandler> Maybe send an email to loco-contacts to find out
[00:37] <akgraner> we can do that
[00:37] <akgraner> I was just asking the question
[00:37] <akgraner> and I also see no harm in trying and if it's not received well then you take it down
[00:37] <akgraner> no harm
[00:37] <pleia2> fwiw, changing the "It is used for #ubuntu-meeting." on our /calendar page might help a bit if we want to keep it as a general meetings calendar (everyone is confused about whether it should really be -meeting only or not, since it SAYS its only for -meeting but people tell them otherwise, and some don't bother with location...)
[00:37] <johnc4510> nods
[00:38] <nhandler> akgraner: It would be a pain to setup, as you would need to hunt down each loco to add their meetings
[00:38] <akgraner> why can't the contacts add themselves?
[00:39] <cjohnston> I think if we are going to do a LoCo meeting calendar, it needs to be seperate than the fridge calendar... otherwise its gonna be so overrun, you wont be able to read it
[00:39] <akgraner> I'll send an email
[00:39] <johnc4510> well, it's not strickly -meeting...for instance if it an event, like bug day, it might not be in -meeting
[00:39] <nhandler> akgraner: They can, but it will take time for them to do it
[00:39] <akgraner> cjohnston, yes - no one is disagreeing
[00:39]  * johnc4510 agrees with cjohnston 
[00:39] <pleia2> johnc4510: right, but that's not what it says on the page, look at the text on fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar
[00:39] <pleia2> johnc4510: that's my point :)
[00:39] <johnc4510> pleia2: oh, i agree
[00:40] <akgraner> that was never an issue - the questions was can we have a separate link to a LoCo Calendar
[00:40] <nhandler> akgraner: links are easy enough to add
[00:40] <akgraner> that's all :-)
[00:40] <johnc4510> i say yes....then if they don't use it we can scrap it, or if they do...great
[00:40] <tyche> The flip side of that is what do you include in the UWN.
[00:40] <akgraner> and how the Calendar is populated we can work out
[00:41] <akgraner> tyche, we aren't there yet - still blueprint for UDS
[00:41] <akgraner> :-)
[00:41] <johnc4510> yeah we can make that decission later...
[00:41] <tyche> Right now, Teams are adding their LoCo meetings to the calendar in order to have them published in the UWN.
[00:42] <akgraner> *nods*
[00:42] <johnc4510> thus this discussion
[00:42] <akgraner> That was another issue for another day
[00:42] <nhandler> tyche: How many LoCos are doing that?
[00:42] <akgraner> about UWN
[00:42] <johnc4510> brb
[00:42] <tyche> Sorry, I tend to take a holistic approach to things
[00:42] <akgraner> tyche, if you don't know off the top of your head we can figure it out this weekend
[00:43] <tyche> There are at least 5 that I can think of, right off hand.
[00:43] <tyche> But I couldn't name them, easily.
[00:43] <akgraner> so I think there are some great ideas here for the blueprint - I'll work on getting that written up and out to everyone
[00:43] <johnc4510> back
[00:43] <akgraner> so you all can tweak before UDS
[00:43] <akgraner> :-)
[00:43] <johnc4510> k
[00:44] <akgraner> sound like a plan?
[00:44] <johnc4510> nods
[00:44] <nhandler> Yep
[00:44] <nhandler> I think the new fridge will develop more once we have a physical wp installation to play with
[00:44] <cjohnston> DC, cameroonian atleast
[00:44] <akgraner> [action] akgraner to add ideas from meeting to blueprint then sent to mailing list
[00:44] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  akgraner to add ideas from meeting to blueprint then sent to mailing list
[00:44] <tyche> May I suggest that instructions for adding events to the calendar(s) be put on the page(s)?
[00:45] <akgraner> tyche, good idea!
[00:45] <nhandler> +1 tyche
[00:45] <tyche> INCLUDING:  Times are listed in UTC
[00:45] <akgraner> *nods*
[00:45] <nhandler> tyche: Listed in UTC, but added in localtime
[00:46] <johnc4510> with link to agenda's if they have one
[00:46] <akgraner> [topic] publishing UWN for May 9 (this Sunday) and May 16th (next Sunday)
[00:46] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  publishing UWN for May 9 (this Sunday) and May 16th (next Sunday)
[00:47] <akgraner> so UWN is normally published on Sunday's  - I'll be traveling both the 8th and the 15th - and Should providing there are no travel issues or wifi problems be able to publish from Brussels on Sunday
[00:48] <akgraner> and the same goes for the return trip the following weekend as I get back home on the night of he 15th
[00:48] <johnc4510> have a sprout for me
[00:48] <johnc4510> :)
[00:48] <akgraner> I should have almost all the content ready (at least links) for this issue late tomorrow
[00:48] <tyche> >>BAD PUN<<
[00:48] <johnc4510> :)
[00:49] <johnc4510> akgraner: np...we'll get it done
[00:49] <akgraner> in the event I am unable to help get it out the door - who besides out regular crew can be on stand by to lend a hand should johnc4510 need it?
[00:49] <akgraner> basically summarizing some articles
[00:50] <tyche> I will be here on the 9th
[00:50] <akgraner> cjohnston, will pull the stats on Sunday before he leaves so that is covered
[00:50] <akgraner> tyche, thanks
[00:50] <johnc4510> this wks. issue will be full again i think...the second one will taper off some
[00:50] <cjohnston> and on the google docs page incase someone messes with it
[00:50] <akgraner> Pen said she would copy my google doc and do some stuff off line as well
[00:51] <akgraner> johnc4510, tyche scott_ev will you be available as well this weekend?
[00:51] <johnc4510> akgraner: you need to give me the link to the google docs page just in case please
[00:51] <akgraner> myrtlebeachbums, I need to give you the links as well
[00:51] <johnc4510> i will...as always
[00:51] <akgraner> johnc4510, I think you have it
[00:51] <myrtlebeachbums> k
[00:51] <akgraner> :-) but I'll send it again
[00:52] <johnc4510> kk
[00:52] <akgraner> it anyone else wants to help out just let me know and I'll give ya a section of the newsletter to help with
[00:52] <johnc4510> i haven't bookmarked it so please resend it
[00:52] <MTecknology> I'd love to find the time to help out :(
[00:52] <akgraner> We will also be adding content nightly at UDS - and by we I guess I mean me and whomever wants to help from there
[00:53] <johnc4510> MTecknology: just jump in HEE HEE
[00:53] <akgraner> ok one last thing
[00:53]  * imbrandon got the UTC time wrong :(
[00:53] <MTecknology> johnc4510: I've done that in too many places :(
[00:53] <johnc4510> :)
[00:53] <akgraner> [topic] - 200th ISSUE
[00:53] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  - 200th ISSUE
[00:53] <akgraner> woo hoo
[00:53] <MTecknology> party :)
[00:53] <johnc4510> w00t!!!
[00:53] <akgraner> the 200th Issue will be publish July 4th Weekend
[00:54] <akgraner> so it is approaching fast
[00:54] <akgraner> some of the interviews we will conduct at UDS will be for this issue
[00:55] <akgraner> and not that we want  hide or not be transparent - but some of that we want to be a surprise for readers on that weekend
[00:55] <tyche> akgraner: Do you have someone who can do transcription?
[00:55] <johnc4510> i hope you have mark, jane and jono at the top of the list
[00:55] <akgraner> yes and couple people have said they would help
[00:55] <akgraner> johnc4510, yep they are on the list
[00:56] <johnc4510> akgraner: so, these are video interviews??
[00:56] <akgraner> yes about UDS
[00:56] <akgraner> like last time
[00:56] <akgraner> but the 200th issue one - will be print
[00:56] <akgraner> email  - however you want to say it
[00:57] <akgraner> but I can see if we can get short video clips from them about UWN as well
[00:57] <akgraner> Here is the link to the 100th Issue
[00:57] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue100
[00:58] <akgraner> over the next week if you have suggestions for this issue  - I'll have a wiki page up for you to add to
[00:58] <johnc4510> good, we need to get the outline started
[00:58] <akgraner> is there anyone who wants to suggested anything now?
[00:58] <johnc4510> time is running
[00:59] <akgraner> that maybe wasn't included in the 100th that you were like - dang we should have done x
[00:59] <akgraner> we have about a minute - I didn't intend to keep everyone this long sorry
[01:00] <johnc4510> the thing that is changing in some cases are the different people
[01:00] <akgraner> anything else before I close the meeting
[01:00] <johnc4510> nope
[01:00] <johnc4510> just that we need to get started on this...outline especially
[01:00] <akgraner> thank you every one !  Any objections to monthly news meetings?
[01:00] <johnc4510> no
[01:00] <nhandler> Nope
[01:01] <nhandler> Just get them on the fridge
[01:01] <akgraner> nhandler, :-)
[01:01] <MTecknology> I liked the email announce too
[01:01] <imbrandon> nope, great idea, i just need to pay better attention to the clock, and i think -meeting would be better
[01:01]  * johnc4510 says...if that's it....later all
[01:01]  * nhandler can't remember the reasoning for using -news instead of -meeting
[01:01] <imbrandon> nhandler: there was another meeting in there at 2300
[01:02] <imbrandon> but not 22 or 24 ;)
[01:02] <akgraner> -meeting is not always going to be available
[01:02] <johnc4510> as we get further along on the 200th issue planning we don't want everyone knowing what's going to be in it
[01:02] <akgraner> and -meeting does not have Mootbot-UK
[01:02] <akgraner> :-)
[01:02] <johnc4510> it is suppose to be news lol
[01:02] <akgraner> so  - anyone want to chair the meeting next time
[01:03] <cjohnston> when is it
[01:03] <johnc4510> i can if you or someone else doesn't want to
[01:03] <akgraner> I sent out a survey  - Thursday 2300 was the most popular time
[01:03] <cjohnston> which thursday
[01:03] <akgraner> any thursday
[01:04] <imbrandon> first thursday's of the month seem good, since this is
[01:04] <akgraner> I think everyone who wants to should have a turn at leading meetings
[01:04] <akgraner> so since cjohnston volunteered -
[01:04] <cjohnston> so thursday the third?
[01:04] <cjohnston> i what?
[01:04] <johnc4510> i did, not cjohnston
[01:04] <johnc4510> lol
[01:04] <johnc4510> cjohnston: lol
[01:05] <akgraner> How does June 3rd, 2010 - 2300 sound
[01:05] <cjohnston> as long as its not a work day i can
[01:05] <cjohnston> im good with it
[01:05] <imbrandon> sounds good to me
[01:05] <johnc4510> k
[01:05] <akgraner> [action] next news team meeting - June 3rd, 2010 - 2300 in ubuntu-news - cjohnston to chair
[01:05] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  next news team meeting - June 3rd, 2010 - 2300 in ubuntu-news - cjohnston to chair
[01:05] <akgraner> #endmeeting
[01:05] <Mootbot-UK> Meeting finished at 00:05.
[01:06] <akgraner> thanks everyone
[01:06] <imbrandon> who's doing the minutes since i seems to have been late by ~50 miunutes
[01:06] <cjohnston> yay.. now to my next meeting
[01:06] <akgraner> imbrandon, I am
[01:06] <imbrandon> akgraner: /me hugs
[01:06] <akgraner> I'll get them up in just a few
[01:06] <imbrandon> ty ty
[01:07] <akgraner> I've been online all day  - I need to step away for a few but I'll send every thing to the list and drop a link in here
[01:08] <imbrandon> sure thing, yes, please take a break, cant have ya burned out
[01:08] <imbrandon> :)
[13:06] <joey> great meeting guys
[13:07] <joey> sorry I had trouble getting on IRC here in Belgium
[13:07] <joey> ports are blocked except in the conference center
[13:07] <joey> akgraner: you did a great job
[13:08] <akgraner> joey, ahh - I'll have the logs up in a little while - I was exhausted last night
[13:09] <akgraner> and I saw I could add to the blueprint now - so I'll work on that as well
[13:09] <joey> superb
[13:09] <joey> thanks very much for your leadership and help
[13:50] <akgraner> joey, thanks!
[21:19] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Meetings  Logs from meeting