[00:00] <TheSheep> GiZy: do you have the /tmp directory with proper rights etc.?
[00:00] <Xorgproblem> TheSheep:  stopped gdm service, executed Xorg -configure command, then execute the testcommand thats displayed after
[00:00] <GiZy> hmmm.... /dev/sda1 free 428G
[00:00] <GiZy> jrhers 878Mb
[00:00] <GiZy> o*
[00:01] <TheSheep> still plenty
[00:01] <TheSheep> I wonder why it failed to setup ICE auth
[00:01] <Xorgproblem> GiZy: u can always try to remove all preferences by deleting user data (/home/.*) right ?
[00:01] <TheSheep> Xorgproblem: never do that command
[00:01] <TheSheep> Xorgproblem: .* matches ..
[00:02] <Xorgproblem> lol i meant .(all folders and files) sorry :(
[00:02] <GiZy> Xorgproblem: yep
[00:02] <TheSheep> Xorgproblem: I was bitten by it a couple of times
[00:03] <TheSheep> GiZy: you can also just create a new user and try if it works
[00:03] <GiZy> but i have onlu 2 users, root and admin))
[00:03] <GiZy> so i think my choice is new user
[00:03] <TheSheep> useradd -m mynewawesomeuser
[00:04] <GiZy> xDDD
[00:04] <GiZy> nice name)))
[00:04] <TheSheep> then passwd mynewawesomeuser to set his password
[00:04] <GiZy> this stage i know)
[00:05] <GiZy> 'cuz i had some problems with root passwd
[00:06] <Xorgproblem> TheSheep: now how do i get gdm? :) since the Xorg will not start
[00:06] <TheSheep> Xorgproblem: start gdm
[00:06] <GiZy> stupid russians -___-
[00:06] <TheSheep> GiZy: hey!
[00:06] <GiZy> i about myself*
[00:06] <GiZy> опа))
[00:07] <TheSheep> GiZy: you don't have to be representative ;)
[00:07] <GiZy> whait a minute
[00:07] <GiZy> i'll change encoding =DD
[00:07] <TheSheep> cyrillic passwords may be a problem
[00:07] <Xorgproblem> u mean startx?
[00:08] <TheSheep> Xorgproblem: no, I mean 'sudo start gdm'
[00:08] <GiZy> now))) i mean irc client encoding
[00:08] <GiZy> no*
[00:08] <GiZy> i'll be back
[00:09] <GiZy> i'm here
[00:09] <GiZy> thanks for help ^_^
[00:10] <TheSheep> so it works?
[00:10] <Xorgproblem> well i did startx in another Ctrl Alt F* and im in gdm
[00:10] <GiZy> yep))
[00:10] <GiZy> it works)))
[00:10] <TheSheep> GiZy: it would be nice to know why it broke though
[00:11] <GiZy> TheSheep: yes, it would be nice
[00:12] <GiZy> it was after i login xfce and switch window them
[00:12] <GiZy> i mean xfce session, not xubuntu
[00:13] <TheSheep> I gotta go, good luck
[00:13] <GiZy> bb
[00:13] <Xorgproblem> bb
[00:13] <Xorgproblem> /quit
[01:50] <neozen> how can one post a bounty to get http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6230 fixed
[01:50] <neozen> ?
[01:51] <_Techie_> neozen, i dont think you can post a bounty
[01:52] <neozen> oh but I would
[01:52] <neozen> must've hit it ~20 times today
[01:52] <_Techie_> neozen, i have no doubt you would
[01:53] <_Techie_> purchasing paid support may help, but i cant gaurantee any results as ive never used this service and never plan to
[01:53] <_Techie_> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/services
[01:53] <neozen> its almost enough to make me try to grok C again
[01:53] <_Techie_> hang in there
[01:53] <_Techie_> ive seen bugs come and go
[01:54] <neozen> I'm really surprised this one made it into a release.....
[01:54] <neozen> do people actually use icon view? :P
[01:55] <_Techie_> im not sure
[01:55] <_Techie_> i myself use gnome on a standard ubuntu install
[01:55] <_Techie_> but i choose to provide help for xubuntu users
[01:55]  * neozen nods
[01:55] <neozen> still the same base
[01:56] <neozen> a few different default apps
[01:56] <_Techie_> yes, which is why i can provide support for most things
[02:56] <skochty> hi
[03:05] <om3n5150> Simple question, anyone to answer?
[03:06] <neozen> ............is that a ping?
[03:06] <neozen> if yes.... pong
[03:07] <om3n5150> Lol... I guess it kinda was.
[03:07] <neozen> !anyone
[03:07] <om3n5150> Pfft I'm new >.>
[03:07] <neozen> no worries
[03:07] <neozen> its just a bot
[03:08] <neozen> and some hard-coded boilerplate
[03:08] <neozen> so... what's your question
[03:08] <om3n5150> So, I'm looking for a lightweight media player that supports ffmpeg. I was using MPC in Windows... I liked that. Can I use it now?
[03:08] <neozen> I tend to use mplayer
[03:08] <om3n5150> Brand new to the whole linux thing... learning quickly though
[03:08] <neozen> I haven't found much that it doesn't support
[03:09] <om3n5150> sounds good to me, thanks
[03:10] <om3n5150> Wrong button...
[03:10] <neozen> .....?
[03:11] <neozen> be advised.... all input to mplayer is keyboard
[03:11] <om3n5150> sorry, lol. used to a tray... anything near that in ubuntu?
[03:11] <om3n5150> no gui?
[03:11] <neozen> if buttons are more your style... use one of the frontends: gmplayer or kmplayer
[03:12] <neozen> gnome and kde-based respectively
[03:12] <neozen> gmplayer should pull in less
[03:12] <neozen> package for gmplayer is mplayer-gui
[03:12] <om3n5150> gmplayer isn't showing up in synaptic?
[03:12] <om3n5150> oh
[03:12] <om3n5150> thanks
[03:12] <neozen> no problem
[03:13] <neozen> (had to look it up myself)
[03:14] <om3n5150> so for programs, I use this synaptic thing, rather than google for them myself, right? any sort of sources I should add to my source list for packages?
[03:14] <neozen> !medibuntu
[03:14] <neozen> eg.... libdvdcss
[03:15] <neozen> (useful if you want to watch dvds)
[03:15] <om3n5150> ah, I added that one
[03:15] <om3n5150> so libdvdcss, any other useful things I would want?
[03:15] <neozen> you'll discover as you go
[03:16] <neozen> I've built up a list of packages I install on a clean machine over the years
[03:16] <om3n5150> i found a libdvdcss2, is that what i'm looking for?
[03:16]  * neozen nods
[03:16] <om3n5150> kk
[03:16] <neozen> vlc is more useful for dvds then mplayer I've found
[03:16] <neozen> but that's based on a few years of bias
[03:16] <neozen> they might've fixed the things which irked me by now
[03:17] <om3n5150> alrighty
[03:18] <om3n5150> is there any way to add a custom list of programs(packages?) to my top bar?
[03:18] <om3n5150> Like... Under applications, my own subfolder of selected apps
[03:18] <neozen> ahhh
[03:18] <neozen> I usually just put launchers on the panel
[03:19] <neozen> or set keyboard shortcuts for the really frequent ones
[03:19] <neozen> right click on panel.... "Add new items..."
[03:20] <neozen> pick Launcher" then give it an icon and a command to run
[03:20] <neozen> sound acceptable?
[03:20] <om3n5150> oh awesome, thanks
[03:20] <om3n5150> just got it
[03:20] <neozen> the menu (as I understand it) is a pain in the arse to mess w/
[03:21] <neozen> though its getting standardized
[03:21] <om3n5150> I like organization, so trying to find what I want in a list every time is annoying.
[03:22] <neozen> there's also xfce4-appfinder
[03:23] <neozen> it crawls the menus... so you don't have to
[03:23] <om3n5150> crawl... new term
[03:23] <_Techie_> whats wrong with mplayer-nogui?
[03:23] <neozen> he's used to a gui
[03:23] <_Techie_> lol
[03:23] <om3n5150> i'm still learning text commands
[03:23] <_Techie_> use yor keybaord, its easy
[03:24] <neozen> space still = pause
[03:24] <om3n5150> i just switch from windows... all this text is scary @_@
[03:24] <neozen> eheh
[03:24] <om3n5150> switched*
[03:24] <_Techie_> righ = skip ahead 10 secs, left = rewind 10 secs, up = skip ahead 1 min, down = rewind 1 min
[03:24] <neozen> it grows on you
[03:24] <_Techie_> page up = skip ahead 10 mins, page down = rewind 10 mins
[03:25] <neozen> the ability to get what you want QUICKLY w/o having to find the right gui button to push or menu item to click
[03:25] <om3n5150> now I can't get the ffmpeg codec i just installed to show up in mplayer video preferences
[03:25] <_Techie_> space = pause, [ + ] = play sped control, f = fullscreen, shift+t = stay on top
[03:25] <neozen> ....... what codec?
[03:25] <om3n5150> ffmpeg
[03:25] <_Techie_> mplayer has its own codecs
[03:25] <neozen> exactly
[03:26] <_Techie_> http://www.mplayerhq.hu/
[03:26] <neozen> try playing what you're trying to watch in mplayer first
[03:26] <neozen> unlike totem (the default player) it WON'T pull down more codecs on demand
[03:26] <om3n5150> i just need to be able to upconvert
[03:26] <neozen> upconvert?
[03:26] <_Techie_> om3n5150, aah, i see
[03:27] <_Techie_> hes trying to do what i do in windows
[03:27] <_Techie_> use ffmpeg to upscale his audio, if im not mistaken
[03:27] <om3n5150> video, but yes
[03:27] <om3n5150> makes a sharper image on my display
[03:27] <_Techie_> soo
[03:27] <_Techie_> oh
[03:27] <_Techie_> post processing filters
[03:27] <_Techie_> fun stuff
[03:28] <_Techie_> for post processing you may wish to use vlc
[03:28] <om3n5150> i know how to make it work with ffmpeg and MPC
[03:28] <om3n5150> but i dont think you can get MPC on ubuntu eh?
[03:28] <_Techie_> good ol' mpc
[03:28] <neozen> om3n5150: well... there's wine
[03:28] <_Techie_> no mpc-hc doesnt exist for linux, its purely win32 only
[03:28] <neozen> but there's a better way
[03:28] <_Techie_> i would just use VLC
[03:29]  * neozen nods
[03:29] <_Techie_> theres post processing filter built in
[03:29] <_Techie_> very cool stuff
[03:30] <om3n5150> alright, another very simple question.
[03:30] <_Techie_> however, it doesnt quite do the trick for me, as i use ffdshow codecs to upscale all my mp3's and video from 2.0 audio to 5.1 audio
[03:30] <om3n5150> how do i delete packages?
[03:30] <neozen> sudo apt-get remove <packagename>
[03:30] <_Techie_> sudo apt-get remove packagename
[03:30] <om3n5150> why thank you lol
[03:30] <om3n5150> maybe i'm getting ffmpeg and ffdshow mixed up
[03:31] <neozen> yeah... you remove using a program that has "get" in the name
[03:31] <neozen> now that I think of it..... not really all that intuitive... but ::shrugs::
[03:31] <om3n5150> so what does the apt-get part mean?
[03:31] <neozen> also... you were saying you're using synaptic to get / install things
[03:31] <_Techie_> while the naming doesnt make sense in some aspects, from a program point of view it does
[03:31] <om3n5150> yes
[03:32] <neozen> apt-get is a command line interface to the same package management system
[03:32] <neozen> (apt)
[03:32] <_Techie_> aptitude if you wanna say the whole thing
[03:32] <neozen> well... aptitude is ANOTHER frontend
[03:32] <_Techie_> a good one
[03:32] <neozen> (more complicated then apt-get)
[03:32] <om3n5150> xD frontend is...
[03:33] <neozen> ........::ponders for a good analogy::
[03:33] <_Techie_> frontend is a GUI that allows you to use a basic program or application easily
[03:33] <om3n5150> oh okay, like the frontend of mplayer was the gui controls
[03:33]  * neozen nods
[03:33] <neozen> yeah
[03:33] <_Techie_> eg mplayer, is a command line media player, but you can get frontends which give it a easy to use interface
[03:34] <neozen> ....."easy to use" is a relative thing
[03:34] <_Techie_> haha
[03:34] <om3n5150> alright, so does mplayer work with ffdshow?
[03:34] <_Techie_> no
[03:34] <neozen> no
[03:34] <om3n5150> or vlc?
[03:34] <_Techie_> VLC doesnt work with ffdshow as per say
[03:34] <neozen> ffdshow is a windows thing as I understand it
[03:34] <_Techie_> but it does have its own built in post processing filters
[03:34] <_Techie_> !vlc
[03:34] <om3n5150> alright, time to play in those...
[03:34] <_Techie_> well, thats useful
[03:35] <om3n5150> !codecs
[03:35] <_Techie_> ignore that stuff
[03:35] <om3n5150> links, bleh. too much reading that i'm in the mood for
[03:35] <_Techie_> with VLC it doesnt actually mean jack
[03:35] <_Techie_> VLC has its own built in codecs, like mplayer does
[03:35] <_Techie_> so really, that is a very misleading factoid
[03:35]  * neozen nods
[03:36]  * neozen whacks ubotu with a bit of a stick
[03:36] <_Techie_> neozen, if you catch a moderator around can you request that be removed from triggering on VLC
[03:36] <_Techie_> i gotta go
[03:36] <_Techie_> !mplayer
[03:36] <om3n5150> alright, well thanks for the info =]
[03:36] <_Techie_> cool, !mplayer is fine
[03:37] <_Techie_> anyway, catcha
[03:37] <om3n5150> so the post processing filters in vlc, what am i looking for in the menu?
[03:37] <om3n5150> i have it up
[03:37] <_Techie_> om3n5150, if you see me lurking in here feel free to ask for help, if im at my computer ill help ya out
[03:37] <neozen> 1sec
[03:37] <_Techie_> umm
[03:37] <om3n5150> alright thanks =]
[03:37] <_Techie_> neozen, you seem to have a handle on this
[03:37] <_Techie_> cya
[03:37] <om3n5150> later
[03:38] <neozen> (just installed lynx so vlc hasn't been installed yet)
[03:38] <_Techie_> [ _Techie_ ] is away, rollerblading into town
[03:38] <neozen> basically haven't needed it yet :P
[03:38] <neozen> generally use the ps3 for dvds these days
[03:38]  * neozen fires up vlc
[03:39] <om3n5150> lol, I have a library of movies on my other HDD, so ill need it soon
[03:39] <neozen> open a movie
[03:39] <om3n5150> wtb a 2.5in 1tb
[03:39] <om3n5150> or a 2.5in 32gb SSD
[03:39] <om3n5150> either would be nice =]
[03:39] <neozen> under Video menu... many things under Post processing
[03:40] <neozen> play around and find a setting you like
[03:40] <om3n5150> i dont see post processing...
[03:40] <om3n5150> nvm... simple menu ftl
[03:40] <neozen> .... on bottom of video menu in my case (though its grayed out since I'm not playing anything)
[03:42] <neozen> any other questions about vlc?
[03:42] <neozen> before I remove it?
[03:42] <om3n5150> naw, lol, thanks
[03:43] <arthurjohnson> Xubuntu is like 1.8 gigs installed right?
[03:43] <neozen> sounds heavy.... but these days... yeah .. probably
[03:43] <neozen> it's been getting fatter
[03:43] <arthurjohnson> Well, Ubuntu Netbook Remix is almost 3 gigs.
[03:43] <om3n5150> i have to go for a while, thanks for the help neozen, ill probably be on later scratching my head at all this new stuff.
[03:43] <om3n5150> have fun =]
[03:43] <neozen> np om3n5150
[03:44] <arthurjohnson> On an Eee 901A, with a 4 gig SSD, thats like everything.
[03:44] <neozen> have fun
[03:44] <neozen> arthurjohnson: no doubt
[03:45] <neozen> arthurjohnson: http://lxde.org/
[03:45] <neozen> can always start from command-line only install and add only what you know you'll use
[03:46] <arthurjohnson> My daughter keeps running out of space.  She has an Eee 901A with a 4gig SSD
[03:46] <arthurjohnson> neozen: That method works great for people who know what they are doing, but she is only 10. Can't expect her to run a package manager all day every day just to get her desktop usable.
[03:46] <neozen> splitting off /home onto its own partition helps keep large files in userspace from filling up / too
[03:46] <neozen> arthurjohnson: heh... its true
[03:47] <neozen> http://lxde.org/
[03:47] <neozen> arthurjohnson: they claim to be lighter these days... perhaps it'll work better for your needs
[03:48] <arthurjohnson> neozen: I didn't care for Lubuntu.  It was okay, but lacked for me.
[03:48] <neozen> arthurjohnson: same here
[03:48] <arthurjohnson> Felt like Xfce4 4.0
[03:48] <neozen> arthurjohnson: but if space is a concern... you have to sacrifice something to get lighter
[03:48] <neozen> command-line installs are VERY light
[03:48] <neozen> but.... they're command-line only
[03:49] <neozen> its tradeoffs all the way down
[03:49] <arthurjohnson> neozen: Oh, I know.  Check it:  http://leanubuntu.blogspot.com
[03:49] <arthurjohnson> <--- Thats me
[03:49] <neozen> nice
[03:49] <arthurjohnson> So your preaching to the choir ;)
[03:49] <arthurjohnson> I have several machines that I run from cli + just what I need.
[03:50] <arthurjohnson> Compaq Presario 700 (500 mhz and 256 megs ram) and it boots in under 40 seconds
[03:50] <neozen> heh
[03:51] <neozen> but again... as you said.... some want it small AND simple
[03:51] <neozen> and that's...... hard
[03:51] <neozen> s/simple/easy to use for beginners/
[03:51] <arthurjohnson> But I don't want to stick my daughter, who is still learning the craft, with a cli only system.  It would work great for me, but I want my baby to have a full desktop.
[03:51]  * neozen nods
[03:51] <arthurjohnson> I mean cli+xfce4+whatever
[03:51] <arthurjohnson> You know I won't get everything she needs.
[03:52] <neozen> nope
[03:52] <arthurjohnson> "Hey, where's the PDF reader"
[03:52] <arthurjohnson> and so on.
[03:52] <neozen> running out of space on / the first few times is part of running on a small machine :P
[03:52] <arthurjohnson> Indeed!
[03:53] <neozen> and where, as I see it, valuable bugs can be filed
[03:53] <arthurjohnson> Still, Ubuntu Netbook Remix should have an option for a leaner install.
[03:53] <neozen> b/c if I EVER fill up a production linux server.... I expect it to be graceful and let me un-bork it
[03:55] <arthurjohnson> I had that problem with Ensim + Clamav EOL
[03:55] <neozen> arthurjohnson: good blog.... consider yourself watched :P
[03:55] <arthurjohnson> Hard drives filled up on about 30 machines.  Spent 18 hours fixint it.
[03:55] <arthurjohnson> neozen: Thanks ;)
[03:56] <neozen> I run xu on older machines but nothing actually in its target area (ie... I have a gb of ram and a 1.4ghz processor)
[03:57] <neozen> all this means for me is when MY machine runs/boots xu slowly... something is REALLY messed up
[03:58] <arthurjohnson> I'm running Xubuntu 10.04 on a Core2Duo 2.8 with 2 gigs of RAM.  It screams.
[03:58]  * neozen nods
[03:58] <arthurjohnson> At one point I was running a cli+xfce4 on it.  It was stupid fast!
[03:59] <neozen> well... yeah
[04:02] <neozen> well... time to head out for the night
[04:02] <neozen> l8r
[04:02] <arthurjohnson> L8r
[04:06] <lucas-arg> hey guys, im on an ubuntu installation, ive installed xubuntu-desktop, but i cant get xubuntus theme for the gdm nor for xfce
[04:07] <lucas-arg> any help
[04:12] <lucas-arg> hello, ive installed xubuntu-desktop, but i cant get xubuntus theme in gdm nor in xfce, how can i reconfigure them?
[06:19] <om3n5150> is there an *on connect* script area?
[06:19] <om3n5150> in xchat*
[06:21] <moetunes> afauk no om3n5150 but you might try in #xchat
[06:21] <moetunes> afaik*
[06:22] <om3n5150> alright thanks
[06:28] <NoradIV> hello
[06:28] <moetunes> om3n5150: sorted?
[06:29] <moetunes> hello NoradIV :]
[06:30] <NoradIV> How are you?
[06:30] <moetunes> NoradIV: the weekend is here- how could I be anything but great :]
[06:31] <NoradIV> heh! happy to hear that!
[06:31] <moetunes> yorself?
[06:31] <_Techie_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRkgH7Uu-hA
[06:31] <moetunes> yourself even :]
[06:31] <NoradIV> a bit tired, since its about 1.30 AM here
[06:31] <moetunes> 3.30 pm and i have my first beer in my hand :]
[06:32] <NoradIV> whoa! starting early boy XD
[06:32] <NoradIV> eum, as you probably already figured out, I'm here because I have a problem :-(
[06:33] <moetunes> that's ok :]
[06:33] <moetunes> it's what the channel is for norad
[06:33] <moetunes> IV
[06:33] <NoradIV> As many, I'm trying to recycle an old crappy laptop
[06:33] <NoradIV> Its an Toshiba portg 3490CT
[06:33] <om3n5150> yessir, thanks =]
[06:34] <NoradIV> and the problem is that it wont boot on CD
[06:34] <NoradIV> I tried Debian, and it install (probably because the nogui install) but id wont work with Xubuntu 9.10 CD
[06:34] <_Techie_> NoradIV, does it support booting from CD?
[06:35] <NoradIV> I suppose not
[06:35] <_Techie_> i mean USB*
[06:35] <NoradIV> no
[06:35] <_Techie_> hrmm
[06:35] <_Techie_> netboot?
[06:35] <NoradIV> not either
[06:35] <_Techie_> hrmm
[06:35] <moetunes> http://yellowsub.wordpress.com/2007/07/28/i-did-it-i-installed-ubuntu-linux-onto-the-toshiba-portege-3490ct/
[06:36] <moetunes> might help...
[06:37] <NoradIV> Here i see 2 problems,
[06:37] <_Techie_> !netboot
[06:37] <NoradIV> there is the fact that my laptop have only debian core installed, and I have an Xircom PCMCIA network card only
[06:38] <NoradIV> oh ho
[06:38] <NoradIV> i like this
[06:38] <NoradIV> Can read from CD-ROM but  will not boot
[06:38] <_Techie_> hrmm
[06:38] <NoradIV> but here is another problem
[06:38] <NoradIV> i dont have a floppy either XD
[06:38] <om3n5150> hey, so techie, i'm still confused on what exactly i need to upscale video quality. i googled around and found that mplayer can do it, but all i found was some script info, which doesn't really tell me much. any ideas?
[06:39] <_Techie_> om3n5150, well, as far as upscaling goes, by definition its impossible
[06:39] <NoradIV> tell me when you are back to me
[06:39] <_Techie_> the only thing you can do is add filters
[06:39] <_Techie_> which you still want to use VLC for
[06:40] <om3n5150> alright, well go ahead and help NoradIV, ill wait =]
[06:40] <NoradIV> there is no hurry man, you were here before me!
[06:40] <om3n5150> i've been here half the day ;D
[06:40] <_Techie_> !names
[06:40] <NoradIV> oh... lol
[06:40] <NoradIV> well
[06:40] <_Techie_> okay, not the faction i was after
[06:41] <_Techie_> factiod*
[06:41] <NoradIV> what about the alternate CD
[06:41] <om3n5150> lols
[06:41] <om3n5150> goodwill has floppy drives for under $1 =D
[06:41]  * om3n5150 whistles
[06:42] <NoradIV> but there is no place tu put it XD this laptop is so tiny
[06:42] <om3n5150> usb
[06:42] <NoradIV> dont work
[06:42] <NoradIV> its a P3 733
[06:42] <om3n5150> oh, cant get drivers huh
[06:42] <NoradIV> with the crappyest bios i ever saw
[06:42] <NoradIV> toshiba ones
[06:42] <om3n5150> p3 733.... old i suppose?
[06:43] <NoradIV> came with a win2k key
[06:43] <om3n5150> that's not TOO bad...
[06:43] <NoradIV> lol
[06:43] <NoradIV> I wish I wasent anymore a student, so I may have money, and I may have a proper EEPC
[06:44] <NoradIV> or an ASUS
[06:44] <om3n5150> the most practical use would be a paperweight... or give it to a son or daughter to take to elemtary school. it will increase their popularity tenfold.
[06:44] <NoradIV> well, I intent to make an Starcraft Console with it
[06:44] <om3n5150> ehhhh, i've heard asus mobos are junk
[06:44] <NoradIV> plait-il?
[06:45] <moetunes> seems the only option for the portege 3490ct is the pxe boot
[06:45] <NoradIV> thoses are the best price/product i-ve seen
[06:45] <NoradIV> pxe?
[06:45] <moetunes> !pxe
[06:45] <NoradIV> vas ist das?
[06:46] <om3n5150> There are several ways computers can boot over a network, but the one mandated by PC99 is called PXE. PXE is a kind of DHCP extension, so all you need is an up-to-date DHCP server and a TFTP server.
[06:46]  * om3n5150 wanted to sound smart too
[06:46] <NoradIV> that was i thought XD
[06:47] <NoradIV> there is an brain fart over there XD
[06:47] <om3n5150> i much prefer this channel over #ubuntu... even though i'm not even running xubuntu.
[06:47] <NoradIV> I have an PFSence router, thats probably ok
[06:47] <NoradIV> i guess
[06:48] <NoradIV> so how i do that?
[06:48] <moetunes> http://yellowsub.wordpress.com/2008/01/13/successfully-installed-ubuntu-on-another-toshiba-portege-3490ct/
[06:49] <om3n5150> alright, well moetunes has norad, so techie, about vlc options
[06:49] <moetunes> lots of links today from me - google.com/linux ftw
[06:50] <NoradIV> ok
[06:50] <NoradIV> i get it
[06:50] <NoradIV> I have to Install the core of ubuntu
[06:50] <NoradIV> then
[06:50] <NoradIV> install the Xserver
[06:50] <NoradIV> right?
[06:51] <NoradIV> I feel soooooo stupid since I tried Linux
[06:52] <moetunes> NoradIV: I didn't read the links just copy/pasted them mate - I don't have that lappy...
[06:52] <NoradIV> I'm kinda hot with windows
[06:52] <om3n5150> hmm?
[06:52] <om3n5150> dude me too
[06:52] <NoradIV> but
[06:52] <om3n5150> i'm trying to broaden my horizons"""
[06:52] <NoradIV> same
[06:52] <moetunes> one min and I'll have a read
[06:53] <NoradIV> and I grow tired of all those Close Too Expensive I'm A Badass Software And You Have No Control On What You Do
[06:53] <NoradIV> like
[06:53] <moetunes> NoradIV: you need a comp on the lan running windows - do you have one?
[06:53] <om3n5150> lol, i just like playing on a different OS
[06:53] <NoradIV> yes
[06:54] <NoradIV> when I saw Win7 at 400 buck, I grew so insulted
[06:54] <NoradIV> that I said that there is other possibility
[06:55] <moetunes> NoradIV: I'm following this link - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=327597 - does your lappy have pxe boot capabilities(it should have since this link is about that lappy - the bios should tell)
[06:55] <om3n5150> _Techie_, did you get off?
[06:55] <_Techie_> huh?
[06:56] <om3n5150> nevermind then ;D
[06:56] <om3n5150> just was wondering if you could help with the vlc settings, if you arent busy
[06:56] <NoradIV> its just written LAN
[06:56] <_Techie_> well, im gonna be leaving to go dancing then heading to a party in about 5 minutes
[06:56] <NoradIV> there is a ooops there
[06:57] <NoradIV> i have an PCMCIA network card
[06:57] <NoradIV> nevermind
[06:57] <NoradIV> i have the extension
[06:58] <om3n5150> alright, well have fun, lol
[06:58] <NoradIV> I'll try that
[06:59] <NoradIV> then I'll come back tommorow if it dosent work, ok?
[06:59] <moetunes> NoradIV: you need to install    http://tftpd32.jounin.net/    on the windows comp
[06:59] <moetunes> k
[07:06] <NoradIV> well
[07:06] <NoradIV> I'm trying the alternate install CD
[07:06] <NoradIV> and its working
[07:06] <NoradIV> so
[07:06] <NoradIV> sorry for wasting your time
[07:07] <moetunes> NoradIV: glad you found a way :]
[07:18] <om3n5150> NoradIV, yay you win!
[07:18] <NoradIV> well
[07:18] <NoradIV> its installing now
[07:19] <NoradIV> its not over, until its over
[07:19] <om3n5150> well, i have to go for now.
[07:19] <om3n5150> good luck NoradIV =]
[07:19] <NoradIV> thanks
[07:19] <NoradIV> you too man
[07:19] <om3n5150> laters =]
[09:01] <eLBati> ciao
[09:01] <eLBati> can't login to xubuntu 10.04 live
[09:02] <eLBati> user ubuntu with blank pass doesn't work
[09:03] <moetunes> you shouldn't get that screen - did you do the cd chack?
[09:03] <moetunes> or check even
[09:03] <eLBati> what is the cd chack?
[09:04] <psycho_oreos> he meant check
[09:04] <eLBati> downloaded xubuntu 10.04 , burned , started live
[09:04] <psycho_oreos> where did you get that copy of 10.04 from?
[09:04] <moetunes> at the boot you have the option to do a cd check - it is a good idea
[09:05] <eLBati> psycho_oreos, http://xubuntu.org/getubuntu
[09:05] <moetunes> it checks the burn - burners are sooo cheap I think they cut corners
[09:05] <eLBati> I'll check cd
[09:06] <moetunes> that'swhat normally gives that error
[09:06] <moetunes> here's the  I forgot
[09:06] <psycho_oreos> eLBati, weird
[09:07] <eLBati> ;-)
[09:09] <moetunes> eLBati: always do the cd write at the slowest speed too - 4x is best from my experience
[09:11] <eLBati> moetunes, maybe I have  a ramshackle cd reader
[09:12] <eLBati> it's old
[09:12] <moetunes> eLBati: more than likely the writer is to blame
[09:12] <moetunes> but some readers don't like cd's written on other drives
[09:13] <moetunes> hard to say from here :]
[09:14] <eLBati> moetunes, ;-)
[09:19] <eLBati> moetunes, just tried on another pc. xubuntu live works (without login screen)
[09:19] <eLBati> cd reader deceased
[09:20] <moetunes> eLBati: well there you go then - sorry for you mate
[09:20] <eLBati> :-)
[09:21] <psycho_oreos> at least you solved that issue :)
[09:30] <PrebenR> anybody here have problem with that thunar doesn't show usb devices? I have this behavior now on 3 different computers amd64,i386, eee all after going to 10.04
[09:32] <moetunes> PrebenR: thunar has some probs in 10.04 apparently - only seen issues in passing - never seen the usb one tho
[09:33] <PrebenR> seems that this is a issue many have
[09:33] <PrebenR> but it seems to be ubuntu
[09:33] <PrebenR> I mean seems people also see it in gnome desktop
[09:33] <mr_pouit> it's a known bug of hal in lucid
[09:34] <psycho_oreos> wasn't lucid supposed to be hal-free?
[09:34] <mr_pouit> no
[09:34] <psycho_oreos> hmm ok my bad
[09:34] <mr_pouit> (not for xubuntu)
[09:35] <mr_pouit> PrebenR: Bug #546992
[09:37] <PrebenR> ok will test what is suggested
[09:37] <PrebenR> rebooting
[09:52] <gr8m8> it seems my post wasn't worded right or was misconstrued - I am a fluxbox user because I am a fluxbox fan - I tried openbox because so many posts lauded it yet it fell so far short of flux - hence my question "is it marketing"
[09:52] <gr8m8> oops wrong channel
[11:30] <nikolam> Still no LTS update in update manager..
[11:40] <nikolam> did someone updated from ext3 to ext4 directly, with all ext4 new things inside?
[12:03] <slow-motion> hi
[12:10] <dreamer> hello
[12:11] <dreamer> can I set how many colors for the screen ?
[12:11] <psycho_oreos> screen as in the actual `screen' program itself?
[12:12] <dreamer> I don't understand
[12:12] <dreamer> I'm root
[12:12] <dreamer> I want to set low color
[12:12] <psycho_oreos> I don't understand what you mean by screen in this context, you mean in GUI?
[12:13] <dreamer> in X
[12:13] <psycho_oreos> ahh ok, not sure, I think 16bpp is the lowest palette
[12:13] <psycho_oreos> bleh scratch that
[12:13] <dreamer> 16bpp is 16'000'000 ?
[12:14] <dreamer> 16 bit per pixel ?
[12:14] <dreamer> where can I set it
[12:14] <psycho_oreos> yeah but that could be just resolution (i.e. screen size, which I could be mistaken)
[12:14] <psycho_oreos> why not just use vesa driver instead?
[12:15] <dreamer> I use a pc for linux media center
[12:15] <dreamer> I need proprietary driver of nvidia
[12:15] <dreamer> but I want to use not a true color
[12:16] <dreamer> my tv not have hd
[12:17] <psycho_oreos> well if you installed the proprietary nvidia driver, you should get nvidia x server settings appearing under system menu
[12:20] <dreamer> yes
[12:20] <dreamer> but it don't work
[12:20] <dreamer> I try to write a configuration manually to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:20] <psycho_oreos> well if nvidia x server settings doesn't work, you're probably not using nvidia driver
[12:20] <dreamer> lol
[12:21] <dreamer> I use a nvidia driver, but the nvidia server setting can't wrtite a configuration to xorg.conf
[12:21] <dreamer> probably it must be run as root
[12:22] <dreamer> I think
[12:22] <dreamer> (or with sudo)
[12:22] <psycho_oreos> probably better with gksu/gksudo :p
[12:22] <dreamer> yes
[12:23] <dreamer> also the setting to autostart must be run with gksudo
[12:24] <dreamer> becouse if I can to add program by user it can't write a configuration
[12:24] <psycho_oreos> normally it should ask for user password
[12:25] <psycho_oreos> personally I have not encountered such issues installing proprietary drivers via jockey
[13:09] <ocs> hi, I insalled 10.04 some days ago. I'm noting that this version is full of bugs and problems which are not present in 9.10. Is there a feedback for that?
[13:11] <ocs> for example... thunar is really instable!
[13:15] <arthurjohnson> ocs: I'm running Xubuntu on six workstations, I've not noticed any major bugs other than Hald on my upgrade machines.
[13:15] <arthurjohnson> Did you look at http://www.launchpad.net
[13:16] <ocs> arthurjohnson: what's hald?
[13:16] <arthurjohnson> Its what thunar needs to manage volumes like removable drives.
[13:18] <ocs> arthurjohnson: I don't understand if you experienced my same problem
[13:20] <ocs> arthurjohnson: I see that there are too many bugs... I wonder if someone else experienced that and switched to 9.10
[13:28] <arthurjohnson> ocs: Like I said, I have it running on six radicaly different workstations.  I'm not seeing excessive instability.
[13:29] <arthurjohnson> ocs: Why don't you take each problem your having, and lets tackle them one at a time.
[13:29] <arthurjohnson> ocs: As in, take one problem, state the symptoms, and we will do our best to assist you in repairing it.
[13:30] <ocs> arthurjohnson: I would do that if problems are few.
[13:30] <ocs> since there's a sea of problems, I can't do that
[13:31] <arthurjohnson> Well, your unique.  I'm not experiencing a sea of problems.
[13:31] <arthurjohnson> Xubuntu couldn't be better for me
[13:33] <arthurjohnson> Also, this is a support channel, not the complaint department.  All comments and complaints should be directed at the #xubuntu-offtopic channel.
[13:33] <arthurjohnson> Our goal here is to assist people with specific problems in relation to Xubuntu
[13:38] <ocs> arthurjohnson: xubuntu is excellent for me too (the old version). please understand that I'm not here in order to complain: I noted so much problems that it seemed strange for me. therefore I asked a feedback. For example, thunar many times opens but doesn't allow to open subdirs! In addition panels often cover windows corners and so on
[13:39] <ocs> arthurjohnson: note that I use (k/x)ubuntu since a lot of time... and It's the first time that I see so much instability in the newest stable version
[16:32] <Prajwal> join #fedora-india
[18:55] <lucas-arg> hello, how can i share and see samba shares in xubuntu?
[18:55] <charlie-tca> gigolo
[18:55] <charlie-tca> in Applications - system menu
[18:55] <charlie-tca> or if not on lucid - remote file systems
[18:56] <lucas-arg> charlie-tca: with that i can see and share? or just see?
[18:56] <charlie-tca> should be both see and share
[18:57] <charlie-tca> in #ubuntu-classroom in 4 minutes, How to participate remotely at an Ubuntu Developer Summit
[18:57] <lucas-arg> charlie-tca: i dont see any option to share...
[18:58] <lucas-arg> charlie-tca: do i need to install samba?
[18:58] <charlie-tca> I believe so, but I don't use samba or gigolo myself
[18:58] <charlie-tca> !gigolo
[18:58] <charlie-tca> !share
[18:59] <lucas-arg> !samba
[18:59] <]Spectre[> hi,I'm having troubles with the lastest xubuntu live cd,after the boot up,when I push on "install xubuntu on hard-drive" I get a pop up windows that tell me "live-install",and nothing more
[18:59] <]Spectre[> Any suggestion ? thanks
[18:59] <charlie-tca> try installing from the desktop, then?
[19:00] <charlie-tca> no, sorry
[19:00] <]Spectre[> I have also tried to run the live-cd,but I get the same problem,a pop-up with a message,and nothing more
[19:01] <charlie-tca> Try installing using a terminal, 'ubiquity --debug'
[19:01] <]Spectre[> my pc is an athlon 1400 plus 1gb of ram
[19:01] <]Spectre[> thanks,I'll try it
[19:29] <George_E> What length of time would be considered excessive for a Xubuntu boot?
[19:29] <George_E> Cuz I'm at about 20-25 minutes so far.
[19:29] <George_E> * boot from the CD, of course
[19:29] <charlie-tca> 30 minutes? Depends on the machine. I have one that takes about 8 minutes to show anything, and a full 22 minutes to gdm
[19:30] <George_E> Oh, okay.
[19:30] <George_E> It's quite old... I assume a HD install would make it quicker?
[19:30] <arthurjohnson> George_E: I would recommend the alt installer
[19:30] <George_E> Alt installer?
[19:30] <arthurjohnson> George_E: What are your specs?
[19:30] <charlie-tca> yes, George_E, it does
[19:31] <charlie-tca> same machine after installing boots in about 3 minutes
[19:31] <George_E> Pentium MMX ~200 MHz
[19:31] <George_E> 160 MB RAM
[19:31] <arthurjohnson> George_E: Yes, there is a text based installer.
[19:31] <arthurjohnson> George_E: ouch, thats not going to run Xubuntu very well at all
[19:31] <George_E> ATI Radeon 9600 Video Card w/ 128 onboard RAM
[19:31] <charlie-tca> 160MB won't allow the desktop installer to work. It will freeze up
[19:31] <arthurjohnson> George_E: Check out my blog:  http://leanubuntu.blogspot.com/
[19:32] <arthurjohnson> George_E: your going to need to do a Command Line install and then add just what you need.
[19:32] <George_E> I'm looking at the desktop right now... sort of.
[19:32] <George_E> All I see is a blue tree and the cursor is an X
[19:32] <charlie-tca> should be able to use the alternate installer, but the desktop is going to be really slowwwwww
[19:32] <George_E> A command line install?
[19:32] <George_E> I just want to try it.
[19:32] <arthurjohnson> George_E: Check out the blog link.  It explains it pretty well
[19:33] <George_E> Without installing.
[19:33] <arthurjohnson> George_E: Those specifications are not enough to try Xubuntu.  You might want to try Lubuntu.
[19:33] <George_E> The Gnome panel appeared! Hooray!
[19:33] <George_E> Man, it's slow.
[19:33] <charlie-tca> ahem..., that's xfce panel in xubuntu
[19:33] <George_E> arthurjohnson: Lubuntu?
[19:34] <George_E> charlie: Oh yeah.
[19:34] <arthurjohnson> George_E: http://lubuntu.net/
[19:35] <charlie-tca> I was able to see the livecd desktop with 128MB ram, so be patient
[19:35] <arthurjohnson> charlie-tca: How long did it take to start Firefox on that beast?
[19:35] <charlie-tca> I could even run an application at a time. (one)
[19:35] <charlie-tca> we don't like to talk about that
[19:35] <George_E> It probably didn't help that I used a CD-RW to burn the ISO to.
[19:36] <charlie-tca> ouch
[19:36] <George_E> The icons appeared!
[19:36]  * charlie-tca thinks George_E is braver than himself
[19:36]  * George_E is not brave - just determined
[19:36] <charlie-tca> It only takes a few minutes to get firefox to start (5-10)
[19:36] <arthurjohnson> I threw out all my Pentium stuff five years ago.
[19:37] <George_E> I'm not even going to try Firefox :)
[19:37] <charlie-tca> that's what I got
[19:37] <charlie-tca> P2, p3, p4
[19:38] <arthurjohnson> I only have Duron's and Pentium D machines in my house any more.
[19:38] <charlie-tca> P4's are fast here
[19:38] <George_E> So, I see that Lubuntu is using x11.
[19:39] <charlie-tca> The P2 is to find the minumums for Xubuntu. That's the one I try with 64MB, 128MB, 160MB, 256MB ram
[19:39] <slow-motion> hi
[19:40] <George_E> 64 MB RAM :O
[19:40] <charlie-tca> Got to know if it will work
[19:40] <charlie-tca> ;-)
[19:40] <George_E> Did it?
[19:41] <George_E> Is there a screenshot of Lubuntu in action? Just curious...
[19:42] <arthurjohnson> George_E: I would try their website.  It was just a suggestion, I don't use nor support Lubuntu.
[19:42] <George_E> Hey, I found a glitch, I think - the display is off-center slightly and I have to manually correct it with my LCD controls.
[19:42] <arthurjohnson> George_E: I know their suggested minimum requirements are PII and 128 megs of ram.
[19:42] <charlie-tca> no :-(
[19:43] <charlie-tca> George_E: yes, it depends on the actual video card
[19:43] <George_E> This happens with all the other linux distros I use, though - common problem I guess.
[19:43] <arthurjohnson> charlie-tca: I don't even think a cli+xfce4 would work on 64 megs of ram, at least not well.
[19:43] <charlie-tca> Not well
[19:44] <charlie-tca> Pretty much kills any gui
[19:44] <arthurjohnson> George_E: Thats the fault of the monitor.  Most LCD's have an autoadjust button, I have to hit mine usually.
[19:44] <arthurjohnson> George_E: On Win or Lin
[19:44] <George_E> Ya - I have another really small distro that runs nicely on the machine.
[19:44] <George_E> I think it uses xvesa.
[19:45] <charlie-tca> Try it with my 4mb stb riva128 card... ;-)
[19:45] <George_E> No thanks.
[19:46] <charlie-tca> It does still work, though.
[19:46] <George_E> Maybe text mode isn't so bad :) I need the GUI, though... it's not really for me anyway.
[20:19] <MantelisB> Hello
[20:20] <MantelisB> If I will start Installing Xubunt in my PC over Linux (When I put CD I saw that I can do that) so it will automaticaly takes space from my Windows, creates new disk and install it?
[20:20] <MantelisB> Or it will install just in Windows, like Virtual Machine?
[20:21] <MantelisB> Sorry s/over Linux/over Windows
[20:22] <charlie-tca> You have a choice between installing in windows or installing separately from windows
[20:23] <MantelisB> Hmm, ok. Going to try.
[20:23] <charlie-tca> You can have it install in a separate partition along side of windows and dual boot to either one
[20:24] <charlie-tca> Make sure you have a backup of windows first
[20:26] <MantelisB> charlie-tca, maybe you know or Xubuntu is friendly with USB Wireless adapter?
[20:27] <charlie-tca> Some work, some don't.
[20:28] <charlie-tca> MantelisB: I don't use one, so it is hard for me to say for sure
[20:28] <MantelisB> Ok, I understand. Anyway, I buy Adapter which was (writed on documents) friendly with Linux.
[20:28] <MantelisB> So, hope so Linux will be friendly too :)
[20:29] <charlie-tca> should be
[20:29] <charlie-tca> Most are working now
[20:32] <MantelisB> charlie-tca, I not really understand which I have to choice:
[20:32] <MantelisB> Try demo or install Full /or/ install inside windows
[20:32] <MantelisB> ?
[20:33] <MantelisB> To either is writed almost same things.. :/
[20:33] <charlie-tca> try first, make sure it works. Install can be inside windows or you can replace windows or you partition the hard drive and have both windows and Xubuntu
[20:36] <charlie-tca> Install inside windows is easiest. It is just like installing anything else in windows, then.
[20:39] <lucas-arg1> hello... im missing some icons in ubuntu software center... is it fixable?
[20:42] <lucas-arg1> !missing icons
[20:42] <Sysi> what kinda icons and where?
[20:43] <Sysi> do you use default icon set?
[20:43] <lucas-arg1> Sysi: in Ubuntu Software Center
[20:44] <lucas-arg1> if i click in any category sub-categories icons does not show
[20:47] <lucas-arg1> Sysi: http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/3608/capturadepantalla.jpg
[20:48] <Sysi> interesting.. it works for me
[20:48] <Sysi> is it always like that?
[20:49] <lucas-arg1> Sysi: its a clean installation of xubuntu, could it be because its in spanish?
[20:49] <Sysi> i guess not
[20:50] <lucas-arg1> then im lost
[20:50] <lucas-arg1> ill try changing language and see what happens, synaptic doesnt work in spanish either
[20:50] <lucas-arg1> i mean, search with search button and try to apply changes, it gives errors... first time i have problems with language so i guessed that could be the problem
[20:57] <lucas-arg> tried changing language, but didint resolve it
[20:57] <lucas-arg> i think its a bug
[22:25] <MantelisB> Mmmm
[22:25] <MantelisB> I installed my Xubuntu, but I don't know my root password.
[22:25] <MantelisB> Maybe it's set by default?
[22:26] <Sysi> use sudo
[22:26] <Sysi> !sudo
[22:26] <knome> MantelisB, your "root" password is the same as your first account pw
[22:26] <MantelisB> Login to root with "su", yes?
[22:26] <knome> MantelisB, you should not "login" to root in ubuntu
[22:27] <Sysi> sudo -i
[22:28] <MantelisB> knome, why? :)
[22:30] <knome> MantelisB, that's how ubuntu is built. if you need to run something as root, use sudo
[22:30] <knome> MantelisB, not logging in as root is safer for your computer
[23:03] <MantelisB> knome, I know, but I need it.
[23:04] <MantelisB> Because now I can't configure my bluetooth.. I need make file in /etc/bluetooth/pin
[23:04] <MantelisB> And I can't do that with sudo..
[23:04] <knome> why not?
[23:04] <MantelisB> And When I try in console: "su" and write my user password it fails.
[23:04] <MantelisB> :/
[23:04] <MantelisB> I don't know, no permission.
[23:04] <knome> 'sudo nano /etc/bluetooth/pin' ?
[23:05] <MantelisB> I tried 'sudo echo "1234" > /etc/bluetooth/pin"
[23:05] <MantelisB> But I will try your way too
[23:07] <MantelisB> Thanks, your way is working.
[23:07] <MantelisB> But why "vi" is not working ? :/
[23:08] <MantelisB> Maybe I should add some permissions?
[23:09] <Sysi> you may need to install it
[23:09] <knome> 'sudo vi /etc/bluetooth/pin' ;)
[23:25] <ksos> hi there
[23:25] <ksos> xubuntu is it take less space ?
[23:26] <charlie-tca> less space than what?
[23:27] <ksos> kubuntu
[23:27] <ksos> ubuntu ?
[23:27] <charlie-tca> yes, it does take between 30-50% less disk space than those
[23:29] <ksos> how to install xubuntu ?
[23:29] <charlie-tca> down from http://xubuntu.org/get
[23:32] <ksos>  no i don't want to download and install as normaly
[23:32] <ksos>  i want to do different install
[23:32] <ksos> how to install via terminal ?
[23:32] <charlie-tca> You would google that and see if it is possible
[23:33] <charlie-tca> We don't support such a method
[23:33] <Sysi> alternate installer is text-based
[23:33] <ksos>  
[23:33] <ksos> no i just only want to install via terminal
[23:33] <knome> ksos, do you have a ubuntu system already installed?
[23:34] <ksos> yes
[23:34] <knome> 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop' will install everything you would get with a normal xubuntu installation
[23:35] <knome> !purexfce | ksos, to remove other packages, see:
[23:35] <ksos> ok thanks knome
[23:35] <ksos> i try that
[23:35] <ksos> bye
[23:35] <knome> no problem
[23:42] <xubuntu072> Hi folks. Xubunto n00b here. Anyone awake?
[23:42] <xubuntu072> Anyone?
[23:43] <xubuntu072> Yes? No?
[23:44] <_Techie_> yeah
[23:44] <xubuntu072> I'm installing Xubuntu at this very moment, and have a question or three.
[23:44] <_Techie_> fire away
[23:44] <xubuntu072> OK, thank you.
[23:45] <xubuntu072> Now... problem(s) I've had are: hmm... how to explain?
[23:46] <xubuntu072> I'd start by installing Ubuntu, then (using Synaptic) would install Xfce and all.
[23:46] <xubuntu072> Gnome would disappear.
[23:46] <_Techie_> what version>
[23:46] <xubuntu072> Anyone know why? 'Cuz I kinda like having both.
[23:47] <xubuntu072> Version? 10.04
[23:47] <xubuntu072> It did the same thing with 9.10 though.
[23:47] <charlie-tca> When you login, at the bottom should be a tab labeled 'session'. You don't have Ǵnome in there?
[23:48] <xubuntu072> Initially I'd see Gnome and xterm. After rebooting I'd see Xfce, KDE and xterm.
[23:48] <xubuntu072> And sometimes I wouldn't even see that. Just xterm.
[23:49] <charlie-tca> In lucid, you should have xubuntu, xfce, xterm, gnome
[23:49] <xubuntu072> Even worse, sometimes when I'd enter my password it wouldn't go to a desktop at all, just kept reloading the login screen.
[23:50] <charlie-tca> 10.04 uses a session called 'xubuntu' to set the desktop up. If you installed xfce and nothing else, you don't have all the dependencies satisfied.
[23:51] <xubuntu072> I went and downloaded the Xubuntu ISO and am installing it right now. I'm hoping it'll be less problematic and give me what I'm after from the get-go.
[23:52] <xubuntu072> I kinda like KDE 'cuz it's quite Windows-like.
[23:53] <xubuntu072> Which would be perfect for guests on my computer.
[23:53] <xubuntu072> But I can't figure out how to make it activate the wireless adapter.
[23:53] <xubuntu072> brb
[23:53] <charlie-tca> Then you probably should be installing Kubuntu.
[23:54] <Sysi> use gnome's network manager if kde's own fail
[23:55] <Sysi> it's commonly known bad
[23:55] <_Techie_> or you can use wicd
[23:55] <_Techie_> !wicd
[23:55] <_Techie_> grrr, ubbottu
[23:55] <Sysi> if "windows-like" means panel at the bottom, it's easy to set up in all three
[23:55] <charlie-tca> !info wicd