[12:32] <topyli> is it out yet?
[12:32] <topyli> :)
[12:41] <kklimonda> mm.. dzień dobry to all.. good to be back ;)
[12:42] <yofel> hey kklimonda
[12:43]  * yofel just sent a ident.ca message to bugabundo, so he should be here soon too
[12:43] <kklimonda> so, who, beside bugabundo, is already running maverick? ;)
[12:44] <yofel> haha, not yet, I want to repartition my HD here so I have lucid as a backup this time, lucid pre-alpha was a mess
[12:46] <kklimonda> heh, I do an upgrade around alpha2 anyway - and I'm considering running lucid at least until beta release this time
[13:25] <Ian_Corne> Aha :)
[13:28] <Ian_Corne> Anyone know the time when I'll be able to update via update-manager -d?
[13:28] <yofel> Ian_Corne: alpha1
[13:29] <Ian_Corne> Gah
[13:29] <Ian_Corne> The dillemas
[13:37] <hifi> kklimonda: I do
[15:49] <BluesKaj> howdy
[16:03] <Timo_> howdy
[19:12] <BUGabundo> MAMA I'M BACK!!
[19:13] <Ian_Corne> Welcome back!
[19:13] <Ian_Corne> Got any machine on maverick yet?
[19:17] <BUGabundo> mine
[19:17] <BUGabundo> since day 1
[19:17] <BUGabundo> :)
[19:17] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: do you really think I would wait?
[19:18] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: You made it!
[19:18] <BUGabundo> I did charlie-tca :)
[19:18] <BUGabundo> thanks to yofel for the heads up :)
[19:19] <yofel> hey
[19:19] <charlie-tca> I saw the changes message in announcements
[19:20] <BUGabundo> which changes?
[19:20] <Ian_Corne> I'm not going to upgrade till monday :(
[19:20] <Ian_Corne> limited bandwith at home
[19:20] <charlie-tca> They have already opened the maverick changes mailing list
[19:21] <charlie-tca> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/maverick-changes
[19:21] <BUGabundo> ahh
[19:21] <BUGabundo> I stop tracking that in 7.04
[19:21] <charlie-tca> heh
[19:22] <charlie-tca> apparently, I don't get enough email yet
[19:22] <BUGabundo> I don't read any more ML mail
[19:23] <BUGabundo> and even bug mail... only once a week
[19:23] <charlie-tca> I couldn't read it all just once a week. The backlog would be too high
[19:24] <BUGabundo>   deja-dup: Depends: gconf2 (>= 2.28.1-2) but 2.28.1-0ubuntu1 is installed.
[19:24] <BUGabundo> there we go... deps conflits: start.now();
[19:24] <yofel> I look at mails every day, but sort the ML mails in different folders
[19:24] <BUGabundo> I have diff emails accounts :)
[19:24] <yofel> not scalable if anything gets into the inbox...
[19:25] <BUGabundo> each ML goes to each own folder :)
[19:39] <knittl> hi. when can i dist-upgrade? :D
[19:40] <BUGabundo> you can already
[19:40] <BUGabundo> just need to sed sources
[19:40] <alex_mayorga> knittl: june 3rd it seems
[19:40] <knittl> hiiii BUGabundo :)
[19:40] <BUGabundo> no stuff for UM at this time
[19:40] <knittl> um?
[19:40] <BUGabundo> that would be around alpha1
[19:40] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo: what is there worthy in Meerkat as of now?
[19:41] <knittl> the joy of testing
[19:41] <BUGabundo> what he said :)
[19:41] <knittl> BUGabundo: so, sed -i 's/lucid/maverick/g'? ;)
[19:41] <BUGabundo> NO
[19:41] <BUGabundo> attention to PPAs
[19:41] <BUGabundo> and I would keep security repos for lucid, for now
[19:42] <knittl> i do not have any ppas
[19:42] <BUGabundo> they should be build faster  then regular maverick
[19:42] <BUGabundo> you don't have ppa???????
[19:42] <knittl> how do you mean security repo?
[19:42] <knittl> no, i am happy with the default repos
[19:42] <yofel> lucid-security
[19:42] <yofel> and do you mean 'own ppa' or 'use ppa' ?
[19:43] <knittl> i don't use ppas
[19:43] <yofel> wow...
[19:44] <knittl> hm what's the big fuss about not using ppas? oO
[19:44] <Ian_Corne> It provides certain unavailble or more up to date packages :)
[19:44] <yofel> I'm using 7 right now, my own ones not counted
[19:44] <knittl> but nobody forces me to use 'em
[19:44] <Ian_Corne> obviously :p
[19:45] <knittl> so i can replace lucid with maverick and should be good to go to do a dist-upgrade?
[19:45]  * jpds doesn't use PPAs either.
[19:46] <yofel> knittl: pretty much
[19:46] <yofel> I had ~70 packaged that were updated when I upgraded an hour ago :D
[19:46] <BUGabundo> yofel: that what I said : wow :)
[19:46] <yofel> heh
[19:46] <BUGabundo> knittl: aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade
[19:46] <alex_mayorga> have the goals for meerkat been set?
[19:47]  * BUGabundo goes count ppas
[19:47] <jpds> alex_mayorga: No, we're doing that next week.
[19:47] <knittl> 62 packages upgraded, 1 new :)
[19:47] <BUGabundo> $ grep ppa /etc/apt/sources.list | wc -l
[19:47] <BUGabundo> 20
[19:47] <alex_mayorga> jpds: got a link on how to get involved?
[19:47] <alex_mayorga> jpds: or maybe just watch?
[19:47] <knittl> yay, updating
[19:47] <BUGabundo> repos: $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list | wc -l 45
[19:48] <jpds> alex_mayorga: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-M/RemoteParticipation
[19:48] <alex_mayorga> jpds: thanks!
[19:48] <BUGabundo_DrWho> wooo wooo Darlek time :)
[19:56] <patdk-wk> hehe
[19:57] <patdk-wk> meerkat manor?
[19:58] <knittl> yay, upgraded :>
[20:22] <kklimonda> BUGabundo_DrWho: Daleks? you are behind the schedule! it's time for Venice
[20:22] <jpds> That was 2 hours ago.
[20:23] <BUGabundo_DrWho> I know
[20:23] <BUGabundo_DrWho> some how I never download them :)
[20:23] <BUGabundo_DrWho> so back on S05E03
[20:55] <MaximLevitsky> I am worried about gnome-shell
[20:56] <MaximLevitsky> How much will it be forced on us?
[20:57] <yofel> isn't is supposed to be the default in 11.04? (not sure about maverick)
[20:57] <yofel> s/is/it/
[20:58] <MaximLevitsky> yofel: I can live with 'default'
[20:58] <MaximLevitsky> but compiz, will it still be supported?
[20:58] <BUGabundo_DrWho> yofel: you are in an hurry
[20:59] <BUGabundo_DrWho> [OT] in case anyone wants to give me an early gift... I want one of this http://micgadget.com/3381/ipad-knockoff-upgraded-with-android-2-1-and-larger-display/
[20:59] <MaximLevitsky> bear in mind that compiz does a release soon, and from that point will get many new featurws
[20:59] <yofel> not much, but I am interested in how gnome3 will look like, can't get myself to like gnome-shell 2.28 though :/
[21:04] <kklimonda> MaximLevitsky: it's getting features of bling? ;)
[21:04] <kklimonda> or*
[21:04] <MaximLevitsky> kklimonda: probably will get MPX support
[21:05] <MaximLevitsky> kklimonda: as you know compiz always got 50:50 of that
[21:12] <ubuntujenkins> MaximLevitsky: I read that gnomesheel will not be default in mavrick but will be installable as a package
[21:12] <ubuntujenkins> *shell
[21:12] <MaximLevitsky> ubuntujenkins: this is great
[21:13] <ubuntujenkins> MaximLevitsky: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/mark-shuttleworth-no-gnome-shell-in.html thats where i read it
[21:18] <yofel> it already is installable in lucid, not quite up-to-date though
[21:22] <bruce89> hello BUGabundo_DrWho
[21:22] <BUGabundo_DrWho> hey bruce89
[21:22] <BUGabundo_DrWho> welcome back dear friend
[21:23] <BUGabundo_DrWho> even if you are still on "the other side"
[21:23] <bruce89> heh, I'll behave mysel
[21:23] <BUGabundo_DrWho> know that many of us , share the same point of view as you do
[21:23] <BUGabundo_DrWho> just not the _balls_ to change :)
[21:23] <bruce89> heh
[21:27] <patdk-wk> other side?
[21:27] <bruce89> the F word
[21:27] <BUGabundo_DrWho> he abandoned *buntu
[21:27] <BUGabundo_DrWho> cause he didn't agree with many of canonical policies
[21:27] <patdk-wk> ah
[21:27] <bruce89> don't worry, I'm here to just be nice
[21:28] <patdk-wk> I don't agree with many policies
[21:28] <patdk-wk> and I use the hell out of rhel5
[21:28] <patdk-wk> but don't like it
[21:28] <patdk-wk> my one attempt at f* was a big failure
[21:28] <patdk-wk> probably due to my slackware background
[21:33] <BUGabundo_DrWho> well I still like ubuntu
[21:33] <BUGabundo_DrWho> and admit some of this changes will be good in the mid term
[21:33] <BUGabundo_DrWho> but it will run over many users
[21:33] <BUGabundo_DrWho> and they either endur or move..
[21:34] <BUGabundo_DrWho> .... like our bud bruce89 did
[21:34]  * yofel moved next door to Kubuntu and is happy :P
[21:34] <BUGabundo_DrWho> ahah
[21:34] <charlie-tca> I agree. Of course, I use Xubuntu instead, which doesn't really have those changes.
[21:35] <ddecator> whoa, it's open again
[21:35]  * patdk-wk doesn't like kde at all
[21:35] <bruce89> I was finding myself being more GNOMEy anyway
[21:36] <yofel> kde and gnome go pretty much in the exact opposite direction when it comes to philosophy, depends on fits you better
[21:37] <yofel> *what fits
[21:37] <yofel> hey ddecator, welcome ;)
[21:37] <ddecator> thanks yofel =)
[21:37]  * patdk-wk notes he has a dirty mind
[21:38] <ddecator> won't be on maverick until a3, but i'll chill in here and see what happens
[21:38] <bruce89> I very much like gnome-shell
[21:39]  * BUGabundo_DrWho hugs ddecator till he run out of air
[21:39]  * ddecator passes out
[21:40] <BUGabundo_DrWho> ddecator: don't! join us NOW
[21:40] <ddecator> BUGabundo_DrWho: i would, but i kinda need my comp to do homework, haha. i'll use testdrive here and there to test things out before a3
[21:41] <BUGabundo_DrWho> do it from grub2 and daily isos
[21:41] <BUGabundo_DrWho> that's what I do
[21:42] <ddecator> do it from grub2?
[21:42]  * patdk-wk is alittle paranoid
[21:42] <patdk-wk> I can't remember if it was the intrepid or karmic 64bit install cd
[21:42] <MaximLevitsky> The thing that really stinks about gnome-shell is that it forces windows manager on us
[21:43] <patdk-wk> but one of them had a bad wifi driver for my intel card, that kept corrupting ext3
[21:43] <patdk-wk> I disabled the wifi card the bios and all was good
[21:44] <BUGabundo_DrWho> ddecator: I have it on my blog  p.bugabundo.net
[21:45] <ddecator> BUGabundo_DrWho: looks like you have a little bit of everything on there, haha
[21:45] <BUGabundo_DrWho> tag grub2
[21:45] <ddecator> ...i just noticed that your nick says DrWho, and you are amazing for that
[21:46] <BUGabundo_DrWho> lol
[21:46] <BUGabundo_DrWho> your torrent is downloading
[21:46] <BUGabundo_DrWho> 34.78 MB / 49.01 MB cached - 70.9%
[21:46] <BUGabundo_DrWho> 196 KB/s - 1 mins left
[21:46] <BUGabundo_DrWho> oopss
[21:46] <BUGabundo_DrWho> wrong tab
[21:46] <BUGabundo_DrWho> that's legal, btw :) cyanogenmod rom for my android
[21:47] <ddecator> haha
[21:47] <ddecator> BUGabundo_DrWho: thanks, i'll have to check that out once i get out of school and have the time to experiment more with my comp
[22:38] <bruce89> the magic of British democracy
[22:46] <BUGabundo_NCIS> yofel: wrong account :(
[22:47] <BUGabundo_NCIS> send "unsub bugabundo" a few times till you remove all
[22:47] <yofel> I'm getting confused, identi.ca unsubcribed me from all...
[22:47] <BUGabundo_NCIS> and then resub with "sub bugabundo@brainbird.net"
[22:48] <BUGabundo_NCIS> yofel: you mean you lost everyone you were subbed to?
[22:49] <yofel> not everyone, I just noticed that I didn't get any messages from you anymore after I left the 'ubuntu' and 'linux' groups a few days ago, now I saw that I got unsubscribed from you too somehow
[22:49] <yofel> and didn't quite know which one to subscribe again ^^
[22:49] <yofel> right acc. now?
[22:50] <BUGabundo_NCIS> I got it
[22:50] <BUGabundo_NCIS> testing
[22:51] <yofel> I meant I didn't recieve any of your usual posts, @ still worked fine obviously
[22:52] <BUGabundo_NCIS> got it yofel?
[22:52] <yofel> I did, thanks :)
[22:52] <BUGabundo_NCIS> I bet your timeline got quiet.... with me on it :)
[22:52] <BUGabundo_NCIS> you *only* lost 20~40 notices per day :)
[22:53] <yofel> well, I left ubuntu and linux as it was too much, but now it got too quiet ^^
[22:54] <BUGabundo_NCIS> I noticed that when I moved to OMB, now OStatus
[22:54] <BUGabundo_NCIS> and could not sub to groups
[22:58] <sebsebseb> Hi
[22:58] <bruce89> hello
[23:00] <BUGabundo_NCIS> hey hey sebsebseb
[23:00] <sebsebseb> yeah hi BUGabundo_NCIS
[23:02] <bruce89> one way to change that sebsebseb
[23:03] <sebsebseb> bruce89: you made it sound like something interesting was going on in here, but nope
[23:03] <bruce89> there is, I'm here
[23:04] <BUGabundo_NCIS> hahah
[23:04]  * BUGabundo_NCIS smacks bruce89 in the head
[23:05] <bruce89> fair enough
[23:07] <bruce89> hello malnilion
[23:08] <malnilion> Hello.
[23:08] <bruce89> or mattgirv even, I'm going to have to shoot myself now
[23:08] <malnilion> lol
[23:08] <mattgirv> bruce89: Hoho, hello :)
[23:08] <bruce89> it'll be bloody tories in No10 next
[23:08] <bruce89> oh wait
[23:08] <mattgirv> bruce89: They'll arrange the shooting for you, no doubt.
[23:09] <sebsebseb> this channel gets logged by the way guys
[23:09] <mattgirv> sebsebseb: Sounds nice.
[23:09] <bruce89> hello insomniacs!
[23:15] <bruce89> incidentally, I think the Tories are lovely people who are going to be very good for this country
[23:15] <bruce89> when they get forced out in 2 months time...
[23:16] <mattgirv> bruce89: I heard David Cameron uses Ubuntu?
[23:16] <sebsebseb> mattgirv: I doubt it
[23:17] <bruce89> don't get me started
[23:25] <patdk-wk> why do people care about david cameron?
[23:25] <patdk-wk> gates uses windows, so I should too!
[23:25] <mattgirv> Who said anyone cared?
[23:27] <bruce89> does he really use it?
[23:28] <mattgirv> No
[23:28] <bruce89> aw
[23:30] <jpds> !politics
[23:32] <bruce89> apparently John Beattie uses Ubuntu
[23:37] <bruce89> if John reads that, sorry
[23:39] <acicula> is there sort of a test framework/sequence to go through to test new ubuntu? have a kvm or virtualbox instance to test the new release in
[23:40] <jpds> !info testdrive
[23:40] <acicula> i know of testdrive, thats just to facilitate running it