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=== jussi changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Official Ubuntu Maverick Meerkat support/discussion | IRC Guidelines: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines | Thanks to you all for testing Lucid and making it a great release | Lucid support in #ubuntu | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule
topyliis it out yet?12:32
topyli:)12:32
kklimondamm.. dzieƄ dobry to all.. good to be back ;)12:41
yofelhey kklimonda12:42
* yofel just sent a ident.ca message to bugabundo, so he should be here soon too12:43
kklimondaso, who, beside bugabundo, is already running maverick? ;)12:43
yofelhaha, not yet, I want to repartition my HD here so I have lucid as a backup this time, lucid pre-alpha was a mess12:44
kklimondaheh, I do an upgrade around alpha2 anyway - and I'm considering running lucid at least until beta release this time12:46
Ian_CorneAha :)13:25
Ian_CorneAnyone know the time when I'll be able to update via update-manager -d?13:28
yofelIan_Corne: alpha113:28
Ian_CorneGah13:29
Ian_CorneThe dillemas13:29
hifikklimonda: I do13:37
BluesKajhowdy15:49
Timo_howdy16:03
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BUGabundoMAMA I'M BACK!!19:12
Ian_CorneWelcome back!19:13
Ian_CorneGot any machine on maverick yet?19:13
BUGabundomine19:17
BUGabundosince day 119:17
BUGabundo:)19:17
BUGabundoIan_Corne: do you really think I would wait?19:17
charlie-tcaBUGabundo: You made it!19:18
BUGabundoI did charlie-tca :)19:18
BUGabundothanks to yofel for the heads up :)19:18
yofelhey19:19
charlie-tcaI saw the changes message in announcements19:19
BUGabundowhich changes?19:20
Ian_CorneI'm not going to upgrade till monday :(19:20
Ian_Cornelimited bandwith at home19:20
charlie-tcaThey have already opened the maverick changes mailing list19:20
charlie-tcahttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/maverick-changes19:21
BUGabundoahh19:21
BUGabundoI stop tracking that in 7.0419:21
charlie-tcaheh19:21
charlie-tcaapparently, I don't get enough email yet19:22
BUGabundoI don't read any more ML mail19:22
BUGabundoand even bug mail... only once a week19:23
charlie-tcaI couldn't read it all just once a week. The backlog would be too high19:23
BUGabundo  deja-dup: Depends: gconf2 (>= 2.28.1-2) but 2.28.1-0ubuntu1 is installed.19:24
BUGabundothere we go... deps conflits: start.now();19:24
yofelI look at mails every day, but sort the ML mails in different folders19:24
BUGabundoI have diff emails accounts :)19:24
yofelnot scalable if anything gets into the inbox...19:24
BUGabundoeach ML goes to each own folder :)19:25
knittlhi. when can i dist-upgrade? :D19:39
BUGabundoyou can already19:40
BUGabundojust need to sed sources19:40
alex_mayorgaknittl: june 3rd it seems19:40
knittlhiiii BUGabundo :)19:40
BUGabundono stuff for UM at this time19:40
knittlum?19:40
BUGabundothat would be around alpha119:40
alex_mayorgaBUGabundo: what is there worthy in Meerkat as of now?19:40
knittlthe joy of testing19:41
BUGabundowhat he said :)19:41
knittlBUGabundo: so, sed -i 's/lucid/maverick/g'? ;)19:41
BUGabundoNO19:41
BUGabundoattention to PPAs19:41
BUGabundoand I would keep security repos for lucid, for now19:41
knittli do not have any ppas19:42
BUGabundothey should be build faster  then regular maverick19:42
BUGabundoyou don't have ppa???????19:42
knittlhow do you mean security repo?19:42
knittlno, i am happy with the default repos19:42
yofellucid-security19:42
yofeland do you mean 'own ppa' or 'use ppa' ?19:42
knittli don't use ppas19:43
yofelwow...19:43
knittlhm what's the big fuss about not using ppas? oO19:44
Ian_CorneIt provides certain unavailble or more up to date packages :)19:44
yofelI'm using 7 right now, my own ones not counted19:44
knittlbut nobody forces me to use 'em19:44
Ian_Corneobviously :p19:44
knittlso i can replace lucid with maverick and should be good to go to do a dist-upgrade?19:45
* jpds doesn't use PPAs either.19:45
yofelknittl: pretty much19:46
yofelI had ~70 packaged that were updated when I upgraded an hour ago :D19:46
BUGabundoyofel: that what I said : wow :)19:46
yofelheh19:46
BUGabundoknittl: aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade19:46
alex_mayorgahave the goals for meerkat been set?19:46
* BUGabundo goes count ppas19:47
jpdsalex_mayorga: No, we're doing that next week.19:47
knittl62 packages upgraded, 1 new :)19:47
BUGabundo$ grep ppa /etc/apt/sources.list | wc -l19:47
BUGabundo2019:47
alex_mayorgajpds: got a link on how to get involved?19:47
alex_mayorgajpds: or maybe just watch?19:47
knittlyay, updating19:47
BUGabundorepos: $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list | wc -l 4519:47
jpdsalex_mayorga: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-M/RemoteParticipation19:48
alex_mayorgajpds: thanks!19:48
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BUGabundo_DrWhowooo wooo Darlek time :)19:48
patdk-wkhehe19:56
patdk-wkmeerkat manor?19:57
knittlyay, upgraded :>19:58
kklimondaBUGabundo_DrWho: Daleks? you are behind the schedule! it's time for Venice20:22
jpdsThat was 2 hours ago.20:22
BUGabundo_DrWhoI know20:23
BUGabundo_DrWhosome how I never download them :)20:23
BUGabundo_DrWhoso back on S05E0320:23
MaximLevitskyI am worried about gnome-shell20:55
MaximLevitskyHow much will it be forced on us?20:56
yofelisn't is supposed to be the default in 11.04? (not sure about maverick)20:57
yofels/is/it/20:57
MaximLevitskyyofel: I can live with 'default'20:58
MaximLevitskybut compiz, will it still be supported?20:58
BUGabundo_DrWhoyofel: you are in an hurry20:58
BUGabundo_DrWho[OT] in case anyone wants to give me an early gift... I want one of this http://micgadget.com/3381/ipad-knockoff-upgraded-with-android-2-1-and-larger-display/20:59
MaximLevitskybear in mind that compiz does a release soon, and from that point will get many new featurws20:59
yofelnot much, but I am interested in how gnome3 will look like, can't get myself to like gnome-shell 2.28 though :/20:59
kklimondaMaximLevitsky: it's getting features of bling? ;)21:04
kklimondaor*21:04
MaximLevitskykklimonda: probably will get MPX support21:04
MaximLevitskykklimonda: as you know compiz always got 50:50 of that21:05
ubuntujenkinsMaximLevitsky: I read that gnomesheel will not be default in mavrick but will be installable as a package21:12
ubuntujenkins*shell21:12
MaximLevitskyubuntujenkins: this is great21:12
ubuntujenkinsMaximLevitsky: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/mark-shuttleworth-no-gnome-shell-in.html thats where i read it21:13
yofelit already is installable in lucid, not quite up-to-date though21:18
bruce89hello BUGabundo_DrWho21:22
BUGabundo_DrWhohey bruce8921:22
BUGabundo_DrWhowelcome back dear friend21:22
BUGabundo_DrWhoeven if you are still on "the other side"21:23
bruce89heh, I'll behave mysel21:23
BUGabundo_DrWhoknow that many of us , share the same point of view as you do21:23
BUGabundo_DrWhojust not the _balls_ to change :)21:23
bruce89heh21:23
patdk-wkother side?21:27
bruce89the F word21:27
BUGabundo_DrWhohe abandoned *buntu21:27
BUGabundo_DrWhocause he didn't agree with many of canonical policies21:27
patdk-wkah21:27
bruce89don't worry, I'm here to just be nice21:27
patdk-wkI don't agree with many policies21:28
patdk-wkand I use the hell out of rhel521:28
patdk-wkbut don't like it21:28
patdk-wkmy one attempt at f* was a big failure21:28
patdk-wkprobably due to my slackware background21:28
BUGabundo_DrWhowell I still like ubuntu21:33
BUGabundo_DrWhoand admit some of this changes will be good in the mid term21:33
BUGabundo_DrWhobut it will run over many users21:33
BUGabundo_DrWhoand they either endur or move..21:33
BUGabundo_DrWho.... like our bud bruce89 did21:34
* yofel moved next door to Kubuntu and is happy :P21:34
BUGabundo_DrWhoahah21:34
charlie-tcaI agree. Of course, I use Xubuntu instead, which doesn't really have those changes.21:34
ddecatorwhoa, it's open again21:35
* patdk-wk doesn't like kde at all21:35
bruce89I was finding myself being more GNOMEy anyway21:35
yofelkde and gnome go pretty much in the exact opposite direction when it comes to philosophy, depends on fits you better21:36
yofel*what fits21:37
yofelhey ddecator, welcome ;)21:37
ddecatorthanks yofel =)21:37
* patdk-wk notes he has a dirty mind21:37
ddecatorwon't be on maverick until a3, but i'll chill in here and see what happens21:38
bruce89I very much like gnome-shell21:38
* BUGabundo_DrWho hugs ddecator till he run out of air21:39
* ddecator passes out21:39
BUGabundo_DrWhoddecator: don't! join us NOW21:40
ddecatorBUGabundo_DrWho: i would, but i kinda need my comp to do homework, haha. i'll use testdrive here and there to test things out before a321:40
BUGabundo_DrWhodo it from grub2 and daily isos21:41
BUGabundo_DrWhothat's what I do21:41
ddecatordo it from grub2?21:42
* patdk-wk is alittle paranoid21:42
patdk-wkI can't remember if it was the intrepid or karmic 64bit install cd21:42
MaximLevitskyThe thing that really stinks about gnome-shell is that it forces windows manager on us21:42
patdk-wkbut one of them had a bad wifi driver for my intel card, that kept corrupting ext321:43
patdk-wkI disabled the wifi card the bios and all was good21:43
BUGabundo_DrWhoddecator: I have it on my blog  p.bugabundo.net21:44
ddecatorBUGabundo_DrWho: looks like you have a little bit of everything on there, haha21:45
BUGabundo_DrWhotag grub221:45
ddecator...i just noticed that your nick says DrWho, and you are amazing for that21:45
BUGabundo_DrWholol21:46
BUGabundo_DrWhoyour torrent is downloading21:46
BUGabundo_DrWho34.78 MB / 49.01 MB cached - 70.9%21:46
BUGabundo_DrWho196 KB/s - 1 mins left21:46
BUGabundo_DrWhooopss21:46
BUGabundo_DrWhowrong tab21:46
BUGabundo_DrWhothat's legal, btw :) cyanogenmod rom for my android21:46
ddecatorhaha21:47
ddecatorBUGabundo_DrWho: thanks, i'll have to check that out once i get out of school and have the time to experiment more with my comp21:47
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bruce89the magic of British democracy22:38
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BUGabundo_NCISyofel: wrong account :(22:46
BUGabundo_NCISsend "unsub bugabundo" a few times till you remove all22:47
yofelI'm getting confused, identi.ca unsubcribed me from all...22:47
BUGabundo_NCISand then resub with "sub bugabundo@brainbird.net"22:47
BUGabundo_NCISyofel: you mean you lost everyone you were subbed to?22:48
yofelnot everyone, I just noticed that I didn't get any messages from you anymore after I left the 'ubuntu' and 'linux' groups a few days ago, now I saw that I got unsubscribed from you too somehow22:49
yofeland didn't quite know which one to subscribe again ^^22:49
yofelright acc. now?22:49
BUGabundo_NCISI got it22:50
BUGabundo_NCIStesting22:50
yofelI meant I didn't recieve any of your usual posts, @ still worked fine obviously22:51
BUGabundo_NCISgot it yofel?22:52
yofelI did, thanks :)22:52
BUGabundo_NCISI bet your timeline got quiet.... with me on it :)22:52
BUGabundo_NCISyou *only* lost 20~40 notices per day :)22:52
yofelwell, I left ubuntu and linux as it was too much, but now it got too quiet ^^22:53
BUGabundo_NCISI noticed that when I moved to OMB, now OStatus22:54
BUGabundo_NCISand could not sub to groups22:54
sebsebsebHi22:58
bruce89hello22:58
BUGabundo_NCIShey hey sebsebseb23:00
sebsebsebyeah hi BUGabundo_NCIS23:00
bruce89one way to change that sebsebseb23:02
sebsebsebbruce89: you made it sound like something interesting was going on in here, but nope23:03
bruce89there is, I'm here23:03
BUGabundo_NCIShahah23:04
* BUGabundo_NCIS smacks bruce89 in the head23:04
bruce89fair enough23:05
bruce89hello malnilion23:07
malnilionHello.23:08
bruce89or mattgirv even, I'm going to have to shoot myself now23:08
malnilionlol23:08
mattgirvbruce89: Hoho, hello :)23:08
bruce89it'll be bloody tories in No10 next23:08
bruce89oh wait23:08
mattgirvbruce89: They'll arrange the shooting for you, no doubt.23:08
sebsebsebthis channel gets logged by the way guys23:09
mattgirvsebsebseb: Sounds nice.23:09
bruce89hello insomniacs!23:09
bruce89incidentally, I think the Tories are lovely people who are going to be very good for this country23:15
bruce89when they get forced out in 2 months time...23:15
mattgirvbruce89: I heard David Cameron uses Ubuntu?23:16
sebsebsebmattgirv: I doubt it23:16
bruce89don't get me started23:17
patdk-wkwhy do people care about david cameron?23:25
patdk-wkgates uses windows, so I should too!23:25
mattgirvWho said anyone cared?23:25
bruce89does he really use it?23:27
mattgirvNo23:28
bruce89aw23:28
jpds!politics23:30
ubottuPlease take political discussion to ##politics. Thank you!23:30
bruce89apparently John Beattie uses Ubuntu23:32
bruce89if John reads that, sorry23:37
aciculais there sort of a test framework/sequence to go through to test new ubuntu? have a kvm or virtualbox instance to test the new release in23:39
jpds!info testdrive23:40
aciculai know of testdrive, thats just to facilitate running it23:40
ubottutestdrive (source: testdrive): run the daily Ubuntu ISO in a virtual machine. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.38-0ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 21 kB, installed size 104 kB23:40
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