[00:04] <praz> hi can someone show me where the setting for screen time out is in Lucid Lynx?
[00:05] <Chesamo> System > Preferences > Screen Saver
[00:06] <starcraftman> Chesamo: I really wish they'd put that in the power settings, it's confused me some times. There should be a shut off all power features button.
[00:06] <Chesamo> starcraftman: I agree, but I'm not a dev so I don't know how it works :P
[00:08] <praz> Chesamo: Thanks
[00:08] <Chesamo> Praz: No problem! Glad to help.
[00:25] <starcraftman> hi again bootstrap, how goes?
[00:26] <bootstrap> Hello, goes pretty well
[00:26] <bootstrap> ubuntu has really progressed since my last use
[00:27] <bootstrap> I do have a question, is it possible to change the default empathy to pidgin for all the new social managers
[00:27] <starcraftman> bootstrap: good to hear your enjoying it. Not bothered by left buttons?
[00:28] <bootstrap> eh, left buttons, right buttons, they all work for me
[00:28] <starcraftman> bootstrap: by social managers you mean the status thing on the panel in top right? I think the applets coded specifically for empathy.
[00:29] <bootstrap> Yeah, that's what I mean.
[00:29] <starcraftman> bootstrap: I'll have a quick look.
[00:31] <starcraftman> bootstrap: apart from that any other problems?
[00:32] <bootstrap> All is good, nvidia and wireless drivers no problem, that was my biggest fear
[00:36] <bootstrap> more specifically for the empathy pidgin thing, I mean when I click on the mail icon and then chat it uses empathy, id rather use pidgin
[00:37] <starcraftman> bootstrap: the one to the left of the callendar right? Investigating, i'm more of a kde user.
[00:38] <bootstrap> yes to the left of the calendar
[00:39] <bootstrap> bbs
[00:41] <starcraftman> bootstrap: hmmm, after I installed pidgin it appears at bottom of the indicator applet your talking about.
[00:41] <Chesamo> Did you try uninstalling Empathy?
[00:42] <starcraftman> Chesamo: don't think I'd recommend that, I'm pretty sure it's now tied into the main ubuntu packages (GNOME that is).
[00:43] <Chesamo> I'm pretty sure it isn't, since I'm the head of a project that originally started to have an Ubuntu without Empathy ;)
[00:44] <starcraftman> Chesamo: hehe, well alright, mr head-o-project :)
[00:44] <Chesamo> :P
[00:46] <starcraftman> Chesamo: ok, your right, empathy is only recomends status on ubuntu-desktop.
[00:47]  * starcraftman grumbles.
[00:47] <Chesamo> Starcraftman: I don't think Empathy is mature enough to be required for Ubuntu yet.
[00:49] <starcraftman> Chesamo: I guess, though lots of devs were talking up all its promising back end features. ah well.
[00:49] <Chesamo> Haven't delivered, yet, though. It's promising, but not there yet.
[00:49] <pedro3005> suppppppppp starcraftman
[00:50] <starcraftman> pedro3005: !
[00:50] <Chesamo> I mean, now that it's got the attention it'll get there
[00:50] <pedro3005> beware for bad jokes, pedro3005 is in the area!
[00:51]  * starcraftman ducks for cover and heads to -team.
[00:51] <starcraftman> should prolly continue any insanity over there too anyway.
[00:51]  * phillw just ducks :-D
[00:51] <Chesamo> Bad jokes are the best jokes
[00:52] <bodhi_zazen> factoid of the day ?
[00:52] <bodhi_zazen> !ssh -doh!
[00:52] <Votebot> ALWAYS allow ssh FIRST when configuring iptables over ssh on a remote server
[01:04] <bootstrap> starcraftman, I too get pidgin at the bottom after install, but when I receive messages, it goes to both pidgin and empathy.
[01:04] <bootstrap> So.. is it safe to uninstall empathy?
[01:04] <Chesamo> Yes.
[01:04] <starcraftman> bootstrap: it appears so, try from the apt-get command line. Only abort if it tries to uninstall any main packages from the system, like nautilus.
[01:05] <bootstrap> right right, ok
[01:12] <bootstrap> empathy removed fine, 'chat' in the menu now does nothing. Is there anyway I can point that to pidgin?
[01:13] <Chesamo> Try uninstalling and reinstalling pidgin
[01:13] <bootstrap> alright
[01:19] <bootstrap> uninstalling and installing pidgin did nothing
[01:20] <Chesamo> Interesting.
[01:22] <bootstrap> I just wanted the envelope to turn green when I receive a new pidgin IM.  It's really no big deal though.
[01:23] <starcraftman> hmmm, bootstrap does removing the indicator aplet and readding it do anything?
[01:23] <starcraftman> Other than that, it appears empathy was somehow tied into that applet.
[01:23] <bootstrap> actually now pidgin is missing from there, let me try removing and readding
[01:24] <bootstrap> nope, nothing
[01:24] <bodhi_zazen> bootstrap: edit your menu =)
[01:24] <bodhi_zazen> System -> pref -> main menu I think
[01:25] <bodhi_zazen> Or if it is an applet, preferances ?
[01:25] <bootstrap> bodhi_zazen, I don't know what you are referring to
[01:26] <bodhi_zazen> bootstrap: bootstrap>	empathy removed fine, 'chat' in the menu now does nothing. Is there anyway I can point that to pidgin?
[01:27] <bootstrap> 'chat' under the envelope icon in panel, sorry not menu
[01:27] <bodhi_zazen> First, log out and back in , you may loose the applet
[01:28] <bodhi_zazen> Second, if there are no preferences, remove the applet and make a launcher
[01:28] <bodhi_zazen> point launcher @ pidgin
[01:29] <bootstrap> I don't need a launcher
[01:29] <bodhi_zazen> what do you want ?
[01:29] <bodhi_zazen> The empathy applet may not be customizable, IDK
[01:30] <bootstrap> i'm not using the empathy applet, I'll figure it out thanks
[01:32] <ZachK_> bootstrap: What are you trying to do
[01:34] <bodhi_zazen> He is trying to s/empathy/pidgin and is trying to customize a gnome applet
[01:34] <bootstrap> The envelope icon 'chat' pointed to empathy, I installed pidgin.  Pidgin was placed at the bottom when clicking on the envelope icon. When I received messages, both empathy and pidgin were responding to them, I removed empathy, now the envelope icon has neither in it.  I wanted the envelope to notify me, by turning green, as it did with empathy, for pidgin.
[01:34] <bodhi_zazen> apparently there is not a preferences dialog to point to pidgin, so either bug report or write an applet ;P
[01:34] <Chesamo> Um,
[01:35] <Chesamo> Pidgin has its own Dock icon
[01:35] <Chesamo> tray icon*
[01:35] <bodhi_zazen> but bootstrap does not want a differnet applet, lol
[01:35] <Chesamo> It's not a separate applet
[01:35] <Chesamo> It
[01:35] <Chesamo> it's a part of Pidgin*
[01:36] <bodhi_zazen> He wants the existing applet, the one with an envelope icon, to point to pidgin
[01:36] <Chesamo> What else is his using with that applet?
[01:36] <Chesamo> is he*
[01:36] <bodhi_zazen> he does not want a laucher of some kind or the pidgin notification icon, so he may be SOL
[01:36] <bodhi_zazen> empathy , lol
[01:36] <bootstrap> ha
[01:37] <bodhi_zazen> I am not familiar enough w/ gnome to know and I can not look until later
[01:37] <Chesamo> Don't want the Pidtin notifier icon?
[01:37] <Chesamo> Why not? That fulfills the need you have
[01:37] <Chesamo> Pidgin* I'm so bad at typing today
[01:38] <bootstrap> I liked the idea of having IM and Mail under the same icon, as with empathy and evolution.
[01:38] <bootstrap> It really isn't a problem though, I'll figure it out.
[01:39] <Chesamo> Heh. I use neither of those programs :P
[01:39] <Jon_Monreal> bootstrap: I would try reinstalling Pidgin
[01:39] <bootstrap> I've done this
[01:39] <Jon_Monreal> bootstrap: And it's not there anymore?
[01:39] <bootstrap> Nope
[01:42] <bodhi_zazen> Jon_Monreal: I suggested he log out an back in, see if the applet changes ...
[01:42] <Jon_Monreal> bodhi_zazen: Seems like a good idea
[01:42] <Jon_Monreal> bodhi_zazen: I'm just checking for bugs or any similar situations
[01:44] <bootstrap> after yet another restart, pidgin is back under the envelope
[01:44] <Jon_Monreal> bootstrap: Awesomeness
[01:45] <bootstrap> almost, Now I just have to make this envelope turn green on new messages, haha
[01:45] <Jon_Monreal> bootstrap: It doesn't on IRC
[01:45] <bootstrap> No, for pidgin
[01:45] <Jon_Monreal> Only IM
[01:46] <bootstrap> Works with empathy, not pidgin
[01:46] <Jon_Monreal> bootstrap: Also, it only tuns green if you don't have the window open.
[01:46] <bootstrap> I'm aware
[01:46] <Jon_Monreal> bootstrap: I can confirm that it's supposed to turn green with Pidgin
[01:47] <Chesamo> We know what it's /supposed/ to do.
[01:47] <Jon_Monreal> bootstrap: You've tested it then?
[01:47] <bootstrap> Yes.
[01:49] <Jon_Monreal> Chesamo: Sorry about that. I didn't know if he knew that it's supposed to work in the first place
[01:49] <Chesamo> He wouldn't be trying to troubleshoot it if he weren't, would he? ;-)
[01:51] <Jon_Monreal> I've seen plenty of "I want to do"s in the forums where it isn't a feature, but it makes sense, yes
[01:52] <bootstrap> would someone like to send an IM (aim) to sevenapples, my friend who I was testing with had to go.
[01:52] <Jon_Monreal> Sure
[01:52] <bootstrap> wait, i'm sorry
[01:52] <bootstrap> sevenapples is my gmail
[01:53] <Jon_Monreal> Okay
[01:53] <bootstrap> fragrant caliber
[01:53] <bootstrap> that's aim
[01:53] <Jon_Monreal> Sending
[01:54] <Jon_Monreal> Did it work?
[01:54] <bootstrap> thanks, still no go
[01:54] <Jon_Monreal> Perhaps you could try restarting Pidgin
[01:55] <bootstrap> I've done this, I've killed processes,  I've restarted, intalled/reinstalled, all the simple things
[01:55] <Jon_Monreal> I see
[01:56] <Jon_Monreal> You could file a bug report against memenu
[01:57] <bootstrap> eh, I guess, I'll play around a bit more
[01:59] <Jon_Monreal> I'll be back in a couple
[02:56] <ZachK_> !welcome | Appl6
[02:56] <Votebot> Appl6: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-beginners! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines . Enjoy your stay!
[03:10] <edlik> kj
[03:11] <edlik> I just updated to 10.04, now I have no gui desktop. Is this a common problem with this update?
[03:13] <malev_> edlik, well, don't think is a common problem
[03:13] <malev_> are you on the command line?¡
[03:13] <ZachK_> edlik: Personally I wouldn't know but upgrading install of a full re-install is usually not recommended
[03:14] <pedro3005> why does ubuntu even have an upgrading method if we're going to (rightfully) advise against it at all costs?
[03:15] <Appl6> edlik: Did you install all of the regular updates to 9.10 before trying to upgrade to 10.04?  I didn't, and the upgrade process hosed my package database and attempted to uninstall ubuntu-desktop (this may have happened to you).
[03:15] <ZachK_> pedro3005: I have know Idea dude
[03:17] <Chesamo> Hm.
[03:18] <Chesamo> I upgraded to 10.04 on three different machines and didn't suffer a loss of graphical environment
[03:18] <edlik> I have command line. Appl6, no I did not install the regular updates prior to updating os.
[03:19] <Appl6> edlik: Yeah I tried to cheat my way out of burning yet another CD for 10.04.  Bad idea =P.
[03:19] <Chesamo> edlik, is re-installing Ubuntu out of the question? Because I may have a solution if it is.
[03:20] <edlik> Chesamo, I would love to hear any suggestions you have. I would not want to do a complete reinstall, what is your suggestion?
[03:21] <Appl6> edlik: When Chesamo's done, I have a few ideas, too (unless of course he's suggesting the same thing I am =).
[03:21] <Chesamo> I have a script designed to take a command-line install and drop a graphical environment on top of it. Want to give it a shot?
[03:21] <Chesamo> Unless Appl6's suggestions are less obtrusive.
[03:22] <Appl6> Yeah, I'd like to look at something first.
[03:23] <edlik> Chesamo, I will give it a try.
[03:23] <Appl6> Can you try "aptitude show ubuntu-desktop" and tell me if it's installed?  It should be the second line or so
[03:23] <ZachK_> Hey Chesamo
[03:23] <Chesamo> edlik, listen to Appl6 first
[03:23] <Chesamo> Hello, ZackK_
[03:26] <edlik> says state: installed, automatically installed: no (these are the 2nd and 3rd lines)
[03:28] <Appl6> edlik: Oh, well then I guess you didn't have the same problem I did.  What happens if you try: "startx &"
[03:29] <Chesamo> Wouldn't he have to be root to startx? Unless that's changed since the last time I tried it (8.10)
[03:30] <edlik> fatal server error: server is already active for display 0
[03:30] <Appl6> edlik: What if you hit Alt-F7 ?
[03:30] <Chesamo> ....now THAT'S interesting.
[03:30] <edlik> alt F7 shuts off my monitor
[03:31] <Appl6> edlik: Wait what?!
[03:31] <Chesamo> Are you thinking Fn+F7?
[03:31] <Appl6> edlik: You mean you can't see anything on the screen, right?
[03:32] <edlik> Alt-F7 hibernates my monitor
[03:33] <edlik> Ctrl + Alt F5 to get it back
[03:33] <ZachK_> Sounds lime something bad happened
[03:34] <edlik> LOL
[03:34] <Appl6> edlik: I see.  If you need more terminals then Alt+F1 through Alt+F6 should give you some.  Then Alt+F7 takes you to where your desktop should be.
[03:34] <Ms_Angel_D> Hello Everyone
[03:34] <Appl6> edlik: Try:
[03:34] <Appl6> grep '(EE)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log               (that is, Xorg.ZERO.log)
[03:36] <ZachK_> Ms_Angel_D: hey stranger
[03:37] <Ms_Angel_D> Hi ZachK_
[03:37] <Ms_Angel_D> ZachK_: yes I've been quite busy
[03:38] <ZachK_> Ms_Angel_D: Join #ubuntu-beginners-wiki
[03:40] <edlik> Appl6, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (???) unknown
[03:40] <Appl6> edlik: OK, that's good.  If there were any lines besides that they would have been X errors.
[03:42] <Appl6> edlik: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[03:44] <Appl6> edlik: And show me the contents of ~/.xinitrc .  If it doesn't exist, then make a new one with the following two lines:
[03:45] <Appl6> xterm &
[03:45] <Appl6> exec gnome-session
[03:45] <Appl6> edlik: Then:
[03:45] <Appl6> sudo killall Xorg ; startx
[03:46] <Appl6> Sorry, that should have been:
[03:46] <Appl6> sudo killall Xorg
[03:46] <Appl6> startx
[03:47] <Chesamo> or sudo killall && startx
[03:50] <Appl6> sudo killall wouldn't be too helpful =P
[03:51] <Chesamo> RIGHT. SHHH.
[03:51]  * Chesamo inserts "Xorg" in there. YOU SAW NOTHING.
[03:52] <Appl6> haha
[03:55] <edlik> Appl6, xterm xt error cant open display
[03:55] <edlik> display is not set
[03:56] <Appl6> edlik: OK, but how about alt-f7?
[03:56] <edlik> wow, lots of lines of stuff
[03:56] <Appl6> edlik: Ha, that sounds bad =P.
[03:57] <Appl6> edlik: Oh wait, lots of lines of stuff on your terminal?  What about alt-f7?
[04:01] <Appl6> Chesamo: Can I see what your script does?
[04:03] <Chesamo> Here's the Ubuntu Forums thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1350592&page=2
[04:03] <Chesamo> The code is in there
[04:04] <edlik> Appl6, on Alt-F7, udevd[371]: sysfs {}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR {}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device, in /lib/udev/rules.d/40-libchipcard-tools.rules:36
[04:05] <Appl6> edlik: OK, that's way out of my league, haha.  Sorry =P.
[04:05] <edlik> Appl6 thanks anyways :)
[04:05] <Appl6> edlik: Yep, sure, no problem.
[04:06] <Chesamo> Well, I'm not too sure how effective my script will be now
[04:06] <Chesamo> Since it only installs, and you clearly have Xorg already installed
[04:07] <Chesamo> You could try re-installing it with... sudo apt-get purge Xorg && sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo apt-get install Xorg
[04:08] <Appl6> Eek, that's dangerous.  It might ask to uninstall the house to meet dependencies =\.
[04:09] <Appl6> Maybe, unless you know that it doesn't.
[04:09] <Chesamo> I don't, that's why I'm hesitant to suggest that.
[04:13] <Appl6> edlik: Do you have an ATI card, and have you installed fglrx drivers?
[04:30] <TJ_D> Hi all
[04:30] <Chesamo> Hello
[04:31] <TJ_D> Quick question - I have a .patch file I want to apply to a program, I'm new to all the terminal commands and such...I assume I move it into the program directory, and use a command from terminal to install it?
[04:32] <Chesamo> Oh, that's out of my hands. Sorry :C
[04:37] <Appl6> TJ_D: The patch command is what you want to use.  It's usually just  patch < PATCHFILE, but there's an issue...
[04:39] <Appl6> TJ_D: The .patch file usually has paths to files inside of it, if those are absolute paths (like /src/foo.c) then you'll need "patch -p1 < PATCHFILE", but if they're relative (src/foo.c) then "patch -p0 < PATCHFILE".
[04:46] <TJ_D> http://paste.ubuntu.com/429841/
[04:46] <Appl6> TJ_D: Keep in mind that .patch files usually apply to source code, so it's likely that you'll have to build the program yourself after you apply the patch.  If you're willing to share the program, and why you need the patch, I might be able to help you some more.
[04:47] <TJ_D> That's a portion of the code, which is tf-50b7-log-timestamp+ansi, a patch to allow ansi logging in TinyFugue
[04:47] <TJ_D> It's not a lot of code, I can share it all if you want
[04:48] <Appl6> TJ_D: No, that's OK, the patch file is enough.  But you do realize that you'll have to compile this program after you apply the patch, right?
[04:49] <TJ_D> Yes
[04:49] <TJ_D> Should just have to go to the program and make? Or make clean?
[04:49] <Chesamo> Well, you'll want to do make clean anyway
[04:49] <TJ_D> I'm real new to Linux, heh
[04:50] <Appl6> TJ_D: From what I can see on the TinyFugue webpage, the author wants you to take a look at the README file for instructions on how to compile it.
[04:50] <Appl6> TJ_D: So it may not be just "make".
[04:53] <Appl6> TJ_D: It looks like this webpage has the instructions you're looking for: http://www.ingwar.eu.org/en/tf/instrukcja.php
[04:54] <TJ_D> yeah, reading those now thanks
[04:55] <Appl6> I'm not sure why the ANSI timestamp patch is important, but you may want to consider the TinyFugue client available in the Ubuntu package manager (search for the name tf).
[04:58] <TJ_D> That's what I currently have
[04:58] <TJ_D> The patch should work the same, it's only a slight version change away from b7
[04:59] <Appl6> There's also tf5 in the repos, in case you want to try that out.  I don't really do any MUDding, so I'm not sure.
[04:59] <TJ_D> And TF is used for a MUD that has a very intricate combat system that requires the player to code a full system for a great variety of situations, ansi logging is helpful for reviewing exactly what's happening in logs after
[05:00] <TJ_D> Or, that's what it's used for by me I meant
[05:00] <TJ_D> Thanks for your help though, it pointed me where I needed to look
[05:02] <Appl6> TJ_D: You're welcome.
[05:03] <rossnixon> Anyone want to help with networking (LAN)?
[05:06] <Appl6> rossnixon: You should try to ask a more specific question, and people will answer it if they have the knowledge.
[05:06] <rossnixon> I can see the windows shares on my network, but it times out opening them. It used to work, I'm on 9.04.
[05:07] <rossnixon> "Failed to retrieve share list from server" is what I get after about 20 seconds.
[05:08] <rossnixon> Well, message starts "Unable to mount location", then the "failed to retrieve......."
[05:10] <Appl6> Yeah, that could be a million things.  You could start by checking "sudo iptables -L" and "findsmb".
[05:11] <rossnixon> Thanks, will try that
[05:12] <rossnixon> iptables has INPUT FORWARD OUTPUT headings, but nothing listed under them.
[05:13] <rossnixon> findsmb gives 192.168.1.4     NIXON-DESKTOP +[HOME] [Unix] [Samba 3.3.2]
[05:14] <Appl6> I assume that's the only one you want to access?
[05:14] <rossnixon> The HOME netork is the Windows one. When I open it, I see the computer share names, but they won't open.
[05:15] <Appl6> Try "smbclient -L NIXON-DESKTOP"
[05:18] <rossnixon> NIXON-DESKTOP is a share on my Ubuntu - the command returned info on my printers and Disk.
[05:19] <Appl6> Oh, I see.
[05:20] <Appl6> Well, there are way too many things that could be going wrong, sorry.
[05:20] <rossnixon> I have XP running in Virtual Box, and I can ping myself.
[05:21] <Appl6> Google has returned tons of hits, but since the error message is so uninformative, it could be anything.
[05:21] <rossnixon> Oh well, thanks for trying. maybe I'll have to remove smb or samba. Yeah, I'll do a search. Thanks.
[05:22] <Appl6> Sorry I couldn't help; good luck.
[05:35] <TJ_D> I notice some of the programs I use I can just type say, 'tf5' into terminal to open, but others I have to navigate to...is there a way to define a shortcut for those applications?
[05:44] <Appl6> TJ_D: When you just type 'tf5' into the terminal, it looks in all the directories in your PATH variable to find it.  For example, "echo $PATH" might return "/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin", which means that if you type 'tf5', it will look for /usr/bin/tf5, if that's not there then /usr/local/bin/tf5, if not that then /usr/sbin/tf5, and if not that then it says "command not found" or something.
[05:46] <Appl6> TJ_D: If you want to avoid this, probably the best solution is this: "ln -s /absolute/path/to/tf5 /usr/local/bin/tf5".  Then you should be able to type tf5.
[05:46] <Appl6> The command ln is ELL ENN.
[05:52] <flames> hi everyone
[06:32] <TJ_D> Are Xbox360 controllers supported by Ubuntu 10.04? I see on google people having no problem with plug n play, but I can't seem to find any way to test or check on the device
[06:32] <TJ_D> by that I mean people having no problems in prior ubuntu versions
[06:39] <ddecator> i think corded use works, but i'm not sure about wireless
[06:42] <TJ_D> do you know how I can see if it's installed/working? I haven't put any games on this box yet, but when I do xinput list it doesn't show up
[06:42] <TJ_D> It's wired
[06:43] <ddecator> i'm not sure if you need to install anything extra or not. however, it depends on what game you are playing. many games won't recognize a controller being attached. i only have wireless controllers, so i haven't been able to test this..
[06:47] <TJ_D> The light comes on when I plug it in, but any program that configures/tests it, such as joy2key, says 'must specify a target' and I'm not sure how to find if/where the device is
[06:49] <ddecator> ah: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Xbox360Controller
[06:50] <ddecator> not exactly "just works"...
[08:15] <AJH101> Hello - I am having a problem logging into a fresh install of Lucid. I enter the password I know is correct and, although I get no failure message I am continually asked to log in again. This is despite having turned off the requirement to log in just after I installed. I am told this may be a bug with Plymoth? I confess I have no idea how to proceed. Can anyone help?
[08:15] <AJH101> At the moment I am running on LiveCD
[08:16] <ddecator> the plymouth issue was causing people who were logged in to sometimes be logged out, and that was fixed a while ago. what exactly happens when you try to log in?
[08:17] <AJH101> The screen goes blank (some code does flash up briefly) and I am then asked to choose a user to enter my password.
[08:18] <AJH101> I did run an update before I logged out too
[08:18] <AJH101> (after my initial install)
[08:18] <hobgoblin> AJH101: so it allowed you to login the first time?
[08:19] <AJH101> After my initial install? Yes
[08:19] <ddecator> sounds like it tries to login, but x crashes immediately and gdm reloads
[08:19] <AJH101> What do I do about it?! lol
[08:19] <ddecator> can you login if you boot into recovery mode?
[08:20] <AJH101> Haven't been able to :-(
[08:20] <ddecator> same issue?
[08:20] <AJH101> yes
[08:21] <ddecator> hm, i know when you boot into recovery mode, you can get to a cli so you can update the system without having a graphic interface. can't remember how to get into that though.
[08:21] <hobgoblin> netroot at the recovery menu
[08:21] <ddecator> yah, that's it
[08:21] <hobgoblin> assuming you have ethernet
[08:22] <AJH101> i am wireless at the moment but could find a cable
[08:22] <AJH101> do i need that to proceed?
[08:22] <ddecator> AJH101: if you have ethernet, you can choose netroot in the recovery menu then run 'sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' and see if an update is available that fixes the issue
[08:22] <hobgoblin> AJH101: so you were originally set to autologin but that now fails?
[08:22] <hobgoblin> no need for sudo in the root shell
[08:22] <ddecator> ah, right
[08:22] <hobgoblin> I would try to remove the autologin first - see if that helps
[08:23] <ddecator> i haven't had to do that in a while, haha
[08:23] <AJH101> when i installed for the seccond time i turned login off but it reset it seems
[08:23] <ddecator> is there a way to disable that from cli?
[08:24] <hobgoblin> yes - edit /etc/gdm/custom.conf
[08:25] <AJH101> ok have opened that file - now what?
[08:25] <AJH101> autologin=true
[08:25] <AJH101> !!!
[08:26] <AJH101> timedloginena[daemon]
[08:26] <AJH101> AutomaticLoginEnable=true
[08:26] <AJH101> AutomaticLogin=ubuntu
[08:26] <AJH101> TimedLoginEnable=true
[08:26] <AJH101> TimedLogin=ubuntu
[08:26] <AJH101> TimedLoginDelay=10
[08:27] <hobgoblin> try setting it to =false
[08:27] <AJH101> which bit?! lol
[08:27] <hobgoblin> AutomaticLoginEnable=false
[08:27] <AJH101> then restart?
[08:27] <hobgoblin> actually 2 secs
[08:27] <hobgoblin> I will change mine and have a quick look
[08:28] <AJH101> ok thanks
[08:28] <hobgoblin> yep - just change that line
[08:29] <AJH101> ok will now restart - fingers crossed...
[08:41] <hobgoblin> ddecator: I'm off for a bit - when AJH comes back if all is not well I would get them to add a user in the recovery shell and try logging in with that one
[08:42] <hobgoblin> also - what plymouth issue are they talking about?
[08:42] <ddecator> hobgoblin: not sure how to do that tbh, never had to work with this stuff from cli before. i'm actually about to get off too since i have to get up in under 6 hours
[08:43] <ddecator> the plymouth issue was with nvidia. certain things caused people to log out. the worst was hitting <enter> haha
[08:43] <ddecator> that was way back in alpha though
[08:44] <hobgoblin|afk> ddecator: adduser <username>  add them to groups with adduser <username> <groupname> you can get a list of what groups someone is in with groups <username>
[08:45] <hobgoblin|afk> cya later
[08:46] <ddecator> hobgoblin|afk: thanks, cya
[08:54] <AJH101> Now my pc wants to start in low graphics mode!
[08:55] <ddecator> ouch..were you able to log in?
[08:56] <AJH101> didnt get that far - just seemed to run some code then hang
[08:56] <ddecator> at what point in the boot process did it hang?
[08:59] <AJH101> before i got to any login page or desktop
[09:00] <ddecator> was there any text on the screen when it hung?
[09:09] <AJH101>  it was waiting for cups driver (?) i think but do not know if that was what made it hang
[09:09] <ddecator> odd...but when it hung, the screen was blank?
[09:10] <AJH101> i think it was loading drivers etc
[09:11] <AJH101> another fresh install?!
[09:12] <ddecator> if there was text on the screen, then telling us what it said may help us determine what the cause could be, and we could help you to get it booting by making some adjustments in recovery mode
[09:13] <AJH101> except i could not login in rec mode! lol
[09:13] <ddecator> however, i need to get up in just over 5 hours, so need to go to bed. sorry, but others will be waking up and getting on soon, so good luck and i hope someone will help you figure out the cause of this =)
[09:13] <ddecator> right, but you can access a cli, which you can use to hopefully fix the problem
[09:13] <AJH101> download a newer iso?
[09:15] <ddecator> if you downloaded the iso for the official lucid release, then you shouldn't have any issues (shouldn't being the key part...from the sounds of things, an update may have broken something)
[09:16] <AJH101> ok thanks - now go and sleep :-)
[09:16] <ddecator> will do. sorry for the issues you're experiencing. i promise ubuntu is usually very stable =)
[09:20] <Appl6> AJH101: I haven't been following; what issues are you having?
[09:21] <AJH101> continuous login loop on frsh install of lucid
[09:21] <AJH101> have been told it may be a plymouth bug?
[09:22] <Appl6> AJH101: To verify, fresh install means not an upgrade from 9.10?
[09:22] <AJH101> yes
[09:23] <Appl6> AJH101: The login loop, is it just the graphical login?  Can you login from a vterm?
[09:23] <AJH101> gui - yes
[09:24] <Appl6> AJH101: The second part was whether you can login from a virtual terminal, like by pressing Ctrl-Alt-F1 at the graphical login screen.
[09:24] <AJH101> cannot log with gui - can with term
[09:25] <Appl6> AJH101: Did you check for updates from the terminal?
[09:26] <AJH101> have tried so many things i do not know what state my system is in now - another fresh install and start again?!
[09:27] <Appl6> AJH101: If you tried a fresh install recently and had the exact same problem, I'm not sure that will help.
[09:27] <Appl6> AJH101: But I wanted to know if you have checked for updates, sudo aptitude full-upgrade from the command line.
[09:28] <AJH101> no but i can start solutions with a 'clean slate'?!
[09:28] <AJH101> can i try that from my live cd running now?
[09:29] <Appl6> AJH101: Is that your only computer?  In the sense that you can't just try stuff because you have to reboot?
[09:29] <AJH101> only one running ubuntu
[09:31] <Appl6> AJH101: You have only one computer, or you have only one computer that runs ubuntu?
[09:31] <AJH101> only 1 with ubuntu
[09:31] <Appl6> AJH101: So you can use the other to chat?
[09:33] <AJH101> oic - will have to continue this later but good idea! thanks
[09:45] <TJ_D> Hello
[14:09] <Gyro54> Can anyone help with 10.04 upgrade caused low resolution on my Nvidia GT216 card?
[14:11] <Gyro54> Do you think a clean install would recognise the card and work correctly?
[14:11] <Gyro54> A Live Fedora12 install has correct res and works fine.
[14:12] <starcraft> Gyro54: try just reinstalling the driver? I guess it got disabled on upgrade. You can re-enable if so by the hardware-drivers menu.
[14:13] <Gyro54> I tried that several times but it has not worked.
[14:13] <Gyro54> I have installed Fedora but would prefer Ubuntu
[14:18] <Gyro54> I have been trying to fix the 10.04 upgrade for a week and gave up today and installed Fedora - looks nice but not as nice as Ubuntu to use.
[14:19] <starcraft> Gyro54: hmmm, I think I know the problem, nouveau driver needs to be blacklisted I think. It's been added to lucid and I believe it conflicts.
[14:20] <Gyro54> starcraft: I did that but I got lost in the maize of information for Nvidia problems. There is so much info to go through.
[14:22] <Gyro54> starcraft: I think I tried a different fix each night and finally stuffed up the whole upgrade.
[14:23] <starcraft> Gyro54: well maybe you ought simply try a clean install? Have a seperate home partition? Then all your settings will be there after.
[14:23] <starcraft> I know hardwaredrivers worked fine to enable my nvidia 260 on a clean.
[14:24] <Gyro54> starcraft: Thats great I was worried that I had a difficult card to setup. Thanks for your help.
[15:17] <th5th> afternoon all
[15:35] <th5th> can anyone help me get my wifi set up on samsung nb30
[15:35] <th5th> driver shows up in lshw but as DISABLED :(
[15:40] <ZachK_> th5th: Hmmm...what ubuntu version
[15:40] <ZachK_> !welcome | bilalakhtar
[15:40] <Votebot> bilalakhtar: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-beginners! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines . Enjoy your stay!
[15:40] <th5th> lucid
[15:41] <ZachK_> Ok...pardon my forgetfullness but what is the version number for lucid again?
[15:41] <mohi1> ZachK_, hes always remaining here. he just rejoined =]
[15:41] <bilalakhtar> ZachK_: There is no need to say that. I am not a beginner in any way. using ubuntu since 2 years and you better know about !botabuse
[15:41] <th5th> 10.04 newest release
[15:42] <bilalakhtar> !botabuse > ZachK_
[15:42] <ZachK_> Well look at you mohi1! Long time no see pal
[15:42] <ZachK_> th5th: Hmm...so the drive is "there" just not enabled?
[15:42] <mohi1> ya ZachK_ you've been busy nah
[15:43] <ZachK_> mohi1: What with college? And three wiki projects yes I'm very busy
[15:43] <mohi1> ok
[15:44] <th5th> Zachk_, as far as i can tell. when i run lshw -C network it shows *-network DISABLED but in the configure line driver=rtl819xE
[15:44] <ZachK_> th5th: Hmmm. Did you do a full install or an upgrade
[15:45] <th5th> full. using mini.iso
[15:45] <ZachK_> mohi1: You got any ideas on th5th 's issue?
[15:46] <mohi1> sorry i was away. lemme see it
[15:46] <th5th> on the forums people say that using ndiswrapper works, but it seems like it's almost working without ndiswrapper...
[15:52] <th5th> although i did just find this... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1460038
[15:52] <mohi1> th5th, tried this?? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9203922#post9203922 #136
[15:53] <mohi1> th5th, yours is of similar kind?
[15:54] <mohi1> duanedesign, there??
[15:54] <duanedesign> hello
[15:55] <mohi1> can you help th5th
[15:55] <th5th> no i think the asus netbooks use atheros or ralink chips. mine is rtl8192e
[15:56] <mohi1> ok
[15:57] <duanedesign> th5th: mine shows up as disabled if I dont have 'enable wireless' selected in the Network Manager applet menu. Or if the hardware switch is enabled
[16:04] <th5th> duanedesign: thanks i will look into it...
[16:06] <duanedesign> th5th: looks like a few others on the forum have had the same problem
[16:07] <th5th> duanedesign: yeah i am going to try one of the solutions posted. seems its a firmware upgrade http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1460038
[16:11] <th5th> ok rebooting let's see if it works :O
[16:15] <th5th> woop success
[16:15] <th5th> duanedesign ZachK_ thanks a lot :D
[16:16] <ZachK_> th5th: No prob
[16:18] <th5th> ok, i will probably be back... ;)
[16:19] <ZachK_> th5th: Cool...definitely come back dude...let us know how it turned out
[16:19] <th5th> exit
[16:19] <th5th> lol
[18:58] <AJH101> Hi is this the right channel for u1?
[19:05] <edlik> please help.. I upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04 and now have no gui. On reboot I see the kubuntu splash screen, when it gets done my monitor shuts off, I can turn it on with ctrl+alt+F5 but only to have command line.
[19:08] <arundracula> I re installed Grub2. But Windows loader showing error: no such device :xxxxxxx(uuid of my Linux partition)
[19:08] <arundracula> But I can enter into my Ubuntu
[19:09] <arundracula> Help pls
[19:15] <phillw> hi arundracula
[19:16] <phillw> which version of windows are you using?
[19:19] <arundracula> Windows 7
[19:22] <arundracula> And now in ubuntu I typed sudo update-grub2 and the windows loader option is not there..
[19:22] <arundracula> My windows is in sda1 and Ubuntu is in sda8
[19:23] <Chesamo> arunracula: try sudo update-grub, not sudo update-grub2
[19:23] <Chesamo> arundracula*
[19:23] <arundracula> My ubuntu is 9.10 and it contains grub2, right?
[19:24] <Chesamo> update-grub2 updates the GRUB program
[19:24] <arundracula> what if I run update-grub in my 9.10?
[19:25] <Chesamo> It'll update the GRUB configuration, as expected.
[19:28] <pedro3005> edlik, might be dumb but have you tried 'startx'?
[19:31]  * phillw hi folks, have a quick look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1477102
[19:31] <edlik> Yes, but gives "Fatal server error: Server is already active for display 0"
[19:31] <arundracula> Update-grub shows this
[19:31] <arundracula> ls: cannot access /media/BC8CFA4F8CFA0424/boot Boot: No such file or directory
[19:32] <pedro3005> edlik, CTRL ATL F7?
[19:32] <phillw> post #3 has a solution
[19:32] <Chesamo> arundracula: sudo?
[19:33] <phillw> arundracula: and Chesamo http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1477102 - take a look at it
[19:33] <arundracula> yes
[19:34] <bootstrap> Is there a version of virtualbox for 10.04?
[19:34] <phillw> post #3 has a solution, just follow it carefully, kansassnoob is a really good guy & his instructions work.
[19:35] <pedro3005> bootstrap, have you tried installing it from the repositories?
[19:35] <bootstrap> No, in the past the repositories did not have the newest version.
[19:36] <Chesamo> bootstrap: the website should have one
[19:37] <bootstrap> the website only has up to 9.10 listed, will that work?
[19:37] <Chesamo> bootstrap: I believe (not confirmed) that the 9.10 should work.
[19:37] <Chesamo> bootstrap: I can try it on my VM if you want.
[19:37] <bootstrap> Sure, if you want.
[19:38] <edlik> pedro3005: Ctrl Alt F7 brings up another screen with "(process:290): GLib-WARNING **: getpwuid_r(): failed due to unknown user id (0)"
[19:39] <pedro3005> edlik, have you tried updating your packages?
[19:40] <pedro3005> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:43] <Chesamo> .....durp
[19:43] <Chesamo> bootstrap: I just realized that VBox won't compile under VBox... I'll go get my laptop and see if it'll install there
[19:44] <bootstrap> Chesamo: Ok, thanks.
[19:44] <Chesamo> bootstrap: On second thought... it's running, let me see if the VM will run
[19:45] <Chesamo> Oh, duh. I don't have GCC installed on this machine :B
[19:45] <AJH101> Hi is this the right channel for u1?
[19:46] <pedro3005> AJH101, what is u1?
[19:46] <Chesamo> ubuntu onw
[19:46] <Chesamo> one*
[19:46] <bootstrap> Chesamo: Alright, don't worry about it, thank though, I'll give the 9.10 version a try
[19:46] <AJH101> Ubuntu One :-)
[19:47] <Chesamo> bootstrap: Nah, I just got it working. It seems to work fine.
[19:47] <bootstrap> Chesamo: Oh, great, thanks.
[19:47] <Chesamo> bootstrap: No problem.
[19:48] <pedro3005> AJH101, well, there is #ubuntuone
[19:48] <AJH101> How do I connect my machine automatically to Ubuntu One please?
[19:48] <AJH101> ah! Thanks
[19:49] <edlik> pedro3005: yep, did all of that
[19:51] <new_user> Hello?
[19:51] <pedro3005> edlik, do this? sudo apt-get install nscd
[19:51] <pedro3005> hello new_user
[19:51] <pedro3005> edlik, do this: *
[19:51] <Chesamo> Heya, new_user
[19:52] <new_user> Thanks.
[19:52] <new_user> Just wondering if I could get a little help on a problem I've never ran into with Ubuntu 9 Live CD.
[19:52] <new_user> Just downloaded 10 and a small problem arose.
[19:53] <Chesamo> I assume you mean 10.04
[19:53] <new_user> Yes.
[19:53] <Chesamo> (the numbers are significant)
[19:53] <Chesamo> what seems to be the problem?
[19:56] <new_user1> child-rip is in the string.
[19:58] <new_user1> This is annoying
[19:58] <Chesamo> "child-rip is in the string"? Can you elaborate on that?
[19:59] <new_user1> Any idea of why it wound hang on that one string and not continue booting into the CD so I can install 10.04?
[19:59] <Chesamo> Did you do a disc check?
[20:00] <new_user1> The strings that scroll down the screen as the CD is getting ready to launch.  Disc Check?  No.  The CD will not launch.  I've burned two CDs of two ISO files and both do this at the same point.
[20:00] <new_user1> No matter how long I let it sit there, it does nothing.
[20:00] <Chesamo> By "strings" I guess you mean stdout logging. Did you try burning the disc at the lowest possible speed? Did you do a consstency (MD5) check on the ISO?
[20:02] <new_user1> Don't know how to check the ISO. I tried to do from USB, but it still launches Windows instead of the USB.  Is there a special way to apply the installer to the USB thumb drive.  I just copied and pasted.  lol
[20:02] <new_user1> Ignorance here.
[20:02] <Chesamo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick  This is old, but still applies to 10.04
[20:03] <new_user1> Thanks.
[20:04] <Chesamo> No problem.
[20:04] <Chesamo> Let me know if you need anything else.
[20:05] <new_user1> Which USB Creator works on WIndows?
[20:06] <new_user1> If I use a USB to install it, then it shouldn't corrupt as easy?  My theory...
[20:07] <new_user1> Sorry.
[20:07] <new_user1> Should have kept reading.  Void that question!
[20:07] <Chesamo> Oh, there's a program I used a while ago..... what was it called....
[20:07] <ZachK_> new_user1: try Wubi
[20:07] <Chesamo> Hah. Sorry, one of my alt nicks is "Void" and you accidentally highlighted me.
[20:08] <ZachK_> new_user1: http://wubi-installer.org/
[20:08] <new_user1> Didn't read down far enough for the Windows info.  I would do Wubi, but I want a dedicated install for Ubuntu.
[20:08] <new_user1> I want to really get into this OS full time and learn it.
[20:08] <new_user1> And I want to dualboot
[20:09] <ZachK_> new_user1: ah dual boot eh?
[20:09] <ZachK_> new_user1: i wrote a page on that
[20:09] <new_user1> Yup.  Windows 7 and Ubuntu 10.04.
[20:09] <new_user1> Pass the link...
[20:09] <new_user1> Be more than happy to read.  :-)
[20:10] <ZachK_> new_user1: it was written using Vista and 9.10 ubuntu but it might still apply
[20:10] <ZachK_> http://gwos.org/udsf/doku.php/core:dualbooting:ubuntu
[20:13] <ZachK_> and here is one i found on the ubuntu help site... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
[20:13] <new_user1> I believe a lot of the information is still relevant in your article.
[20:14] <ZachK_> cool
[20:14] <new_user1> I didn't know to defrag and then split it using windows.  I was going to use the supplied one on the disc.  Is it very important to defrag first?  I'm beginning to think it is.
[20:15] <ZachK_> new_user1: it may not be like, SUPER Priority but I'd definitely recommend it
[20:15] <Chesamo> Yes, because when you resize paritions it doesn't necessarily do it nondestructively
[20:15] <ZachK_> +1 Chesamo
[20:15] <Chesamo> Unless you use GParted. GParted nondestructively resizes partitions. It's pretty neat.
[20:16]  * ZachK_ once again will agree with Chesamo
[20:16]  * ZachK_ has used GParted many times....awesome program
[20:16] <new_user1> On the disc or what?
[20:16] <new_user1> I think it would be faster.
[20:17] <new_user1> Sorry I keep asking questions when there is Google for the simple stuff.  lol
[20:18] <Chesamo> GParted has its own boot disc.... I personally use RiP, because it boots faster
[20:18] <new_user1> Now it's not seeming faster.  lol
[20:19] <new_user1> I'm glad this chat is here because it seems as if I've stepped off into something I thought I knew the just about, but knew very little.
[20:19] <Chesamo> That's what we
[20:19] <Chesamo> we're here for*
[20:20] <new_user1> What are you talking about, RiP?
[20:21] <new_user1> Just started a Defrag, and will partition tomorrow maybe.
[20:21] <Chesamo> RiP, Recovery is Possible. It's a boot disc with several helpful utilities on it. GParted is one of the apps I use the most on it. http://rip.7bf.de/current/
[20:21] <new_user1> I think I might do it through Windows to repartition.  Bad idea?
[20:21] <new_user1> after the defrag.
[20:21]  * ZachK_ is stepping away for a minute
[20:22] <Chesamo> I don't know, I've never used the Windows utility.
[20:23] <new_user1> So, I went to the link for RiP.  Which one do I want to download exactly?
[20:23] <new_user1> I would like to be able to boot it from USB is possible.
[20:25] <Chesamo> There used to be a utility... let's see if I can find it
[20:26] <Chesamo> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/install-rip-linux-to-usb-from-windows/
[20:29] <new_user1> So, with this RiP LinuX 9.3 on my USB I should not have to defrag?
[20:29] <new_user1> I will do it anyway, since this download will take a minute or two.
[20:29] <Chesamo> In theory, yes.
[20:29] <new_user1> Okay.
[20:30] <Chesamo> Defragmentation will take much, MUCH longer than a minute or two.
[20:30] <new_user1> I know.  ;-)
[20:30] <new_user1> Been around Windows for a long time, just not Linux.
[20:30]  * Chesamo nods
[20:31] <new_user1> I just want to venture out and see all about this and gain some more knowledge.
[20:31] <new_user1> Love to become a power user one day.
[20:32] <new_user1> I have the two sites and all the instructions.  I think I will turn in for the night and let this computer keep going.
[20:32] <new_user1> Anything I need to be aware of before jumping off into this that the site doesn't really cover?
[20:33] <Chesamo> Not that I can see
[20:33] <new_user1> Cool.  Thank you so much for helping me.  lol
[20:33] <new_user1> Learning a lot just now and am better for it.
[20:35] <Chesamo> Indeed.
[20:35] <ZachK_> Chesamo: well that proved to be interesting did it not?
[20:35] <Chesamo> Mmhm.
[20:39] <Chesamo> Connection issues, oppl_?
[20:40] <oppl_> not really, thanks ... was just a vpn-connection that disconnected me.
[22:03] <pointydrip> does anyone have any experience with install Dell bios drivers?
[22:05] <pointydrip> I am  looking for the appropriate .hdrs on dell's site http://linux.dell.com/repo/software/bios-hdrs/
[22:05] <pointydrip> my system id does not appear in their list...
[22:07] <pointydrip> the system id when I run getSystemId is 0x02F4
[22:10] <malev_> pointydrip, no, I don't. but, didn't know I could update the system bios from linux?
[22:10] <pointydrip> im following these instructions: http://www.ubuntu-unleashed.com/2007/09/howto-easily-upgrade-dell-bios-in.html
[22:12] <pointydrip> it looks solid, but I can't match up the id's which I feel is crucial
[22:14] <malev_> yes, that is crucial
[22:15] <malev_> pointydrip, and Why don't you ask at Dells support center?
[22:16] <pointydrip> ...I'll try that thanks
[22:21] <pointydrip> ...right it's a netbook, Dell doesn't provide tech support for netbooks apparrently
[22:21] <Chesamo> Really? That sounds odd
[22:21] <pointydrip> at least not in canada
[22:21] <pointydrip> I tried the chat and calling
[22:21] <malev_> that is impossible! Are U sure?
[22:22] <malev_> I thought Dell has one of the best customer supports
[22:22] <pointydrip> positive, go to: http://www.ubuntu-unleashed.com/2007/09/howto-easily-upgrade-dell-bios-in.html
[22:22] <malev_> that why I bought one
[22:22] <pointydrip> type in cq4w5k1
[22:24] <pointydrip> sorry wrong link: http://support.dell.com/support/topics/global.aspx/support/chat/hardware_chat?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
[22:30] <pointydrip> ...apparently tech support is easily tricked by supplying a different service tag
[22:45] <pointydrip> FYI dell has a direct line for ubuntu support: 1 866 622 1947
[22:48] <pointydrip> ...which has dropped my call 4 times
[22:51] <pointydrip> I guess I'll try during the week...