[00:08] <ScottK> slangasek: That fixed it.
[00:09] <ScottK> StevenK: Soyuz seems to be somewhat reluctant to dispatch builds today, particularly on ia64 and sparc.  Any idea what's up?
[00:20] <elleuca> could someone confirm this issue? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-messages/+bug/577226
[00:21] <ion> Worksforme™
[00:22] <ion> Which might mean that the negative plugin is broken for me by the conflict. :-)
[00:22] <elleuca> ion, or the zoom plugin ;)
[00:23] <jtimberman> is launchpad borked? I'm trying to copy packages in my ppa and get:  (Error ID: OOPS-1588M2210)
[00:24] <elleuca> ion, you could try swiching to guest session, it should use default settings
[00:26] <xnox> jtimberman, join #launchpad
[00:28] <ion> elleuca: Indeed, Super-M negates the screen instead of opening indicator-messages menu in a guest session.
[00:30] <elleuca> ion, thanks (may I update status to confirmed, or I've to wait for maintainers?)
[00:31] <ScottK> You can.  Just copy/paste this conversation in to the bug to explain why.
[00:31] <elleuca> ScottK, thanks, I'll do
[00:33] <jtimberman> xnox: no response there
[00:33] <xnox> =(
[00:33] <jtimberman> nonne in#ubuntu either
[00:39] <xnox> jtimberman, well it's weekend and only LOSA's can help with oopses =)
[00:39] <xnox> jtimberman, download and reupload dsc?
[00:58] <jtimberman> i'm trying to copy from lucid to karmic
[01:04] <xnox> jtimberman, each package must have a different version number within ppa & different from any version number in official archives
[01:04] <xnox> jtimberman, you will have to download, change debian/changelog version number and release target, create new source package, sign, upload
[01:04] <jtimberman> xnox: erm, i've been doing this w/ copy for the last ~5 releases in my ppa..
[01:05] <jtimberman> https://launchpad.net/~jtimberman/+archive/opschef/+packages
[01:05] <ScottK> jtimberman: It generally works better to build on the oldest release you want and copy forward.
[01:06] <xnox> !!!!! since when launchpad allows this?
[01:06] <jtimberman> xnox: i don't know, i've been doing it in this ppa for a month or two ;)
[01:07] <xnox> jtimberman, this is *really* bad idea =) you see the package build in one distro might not be binary compatible with the other distro.
[01:07] <jtimberman> its okay
[01:07] <xnox> jtimberman, it looks like most of your packages are arch _all
[01:07] <jtimberman> they are.
[01:08] <wgrant> xnox: It's been possible for a couple of years.
[01:08] <wgrant> xnox: And it's often fine to copy forward -- most Ubuntu packages are copied that way.
[01:08] <xnox> wgrant, it never let me do it =) I always get rejects "package with this version already exists"
[01:08] <wgrant> xnox: You need to copy the binaries too.
[01:09] <xnox> is it because I do dput instead of copying in the lp?
[01:09] <jtimberman> xnox: i dput to lucid
[01:09] <jtimberman> xnox: then copy to karmic
[01:09] <wgrant> xnox: Yes. dput != copy
[01:09] <xnox> jtimberman, well do it the other way around =) dput to oldest & copy up
[01:10] <jtimberman> heh
[01:10] <jtimberman> well
[01:10] <jtimberman> this is temporary anyway
[01:10] <jtimberman> until i copy to my own apt repo
[01:14] <xnox> wgrant, i still think it's dangerous i've had enough weird dependencies with xulrunner on my packages so I'd rather rebuild against each distro's xulrunner then rely on broken xulrunner magic glue ;-)
[01:15] <wgrant> xnox: It depends on the package.
[01:15] <jtimberman> mine's fine going lucid -> karmic (until today w/ this error :))
[01:16] <wgrant> You should generally copy from the bottom up, but OK.
[01:19] <jtimberman> so this doesn't actually fix my problem though
[01:19] <jtimberman> should i put karmic in the changelog, rebuild the source package and dput?
[01:19] <wgrant> Copying is known to be broken. It should be fixed in the next day or two.
[01:21] <jtimberman> is there a bug i can follow?
[01:22] <wgrant> It could be one of a couple. Bug #575450 or bug #575426.
[01:24] <jtimberman> k, thanks
[02:04] <ScottK> doko_: It looks to me like binutils was the same problem I had with boost1.42.  I just hit retry, so we'll see.
[02:08] <ScottK> Yep.  Sure was.
[02:08] <wgrant> Great, so Maverick is unbroken now?
[02:08] <ScottK> At least that bit of it.
[02:09] <ScottK> Now if soyuz would build stuff ...
[02:09] <wgrant> Yeah, not sure what's going on with that, and it's a bit hard to troubleshoot from out here...
[02:13] <ScottK> slangasek: Assuming boost1.42 succeeds on armel (it already did on amd64 and i386), my recommendation would be to go ahead and get it out of binNew and synce boost-defaults.  Worst case from there is we have to do some retries on ports, but we should be safe from misbuilds and get the benefit of Debian's boost transition on the first sync.
[03:00] <StevenK> ScottK: None, sorry. And I'm out of time to look, since I'm leaving for the airport quite soon.
[04:10] <ScottK> doko_: It looks like maverick is still somewhat confused about what gcc should be default: http://paste.debian.net/72494/
[06:17] <Drakeson> was there a plan for gathering the shortcut keys in one place, or somethign like that? currently System > Keyboard Shortcuts misses many shortcuts...
[07:08] <xnox> Are we gonna have gcc 4.4 or 4.5 default in maverick?
[07:08] <Necrosporus> Can I ask user question, but related to development?
[07:09] <Necrosporus> I tried to make ubuntu usb stick with 10.04 and it doesn't boot
[07:10] <Necrosporus> spamming my terminal with message /init: line 7: can't open /dev/sr0: No medium found
[07:10] <Necrosporus> when I pressed escape
[07:11] <Necrosporus> I used standart way: mkdosfs /dev/sdb; mount /dev/sdb /mnt/sdb; cp -a ubuntu-iso/* /mnt/sdb; cd /mnt/sdb; mv isolinux syslinux; cd syslinux; mv isolinux.cfg syslinux.cfg; umount /dev/sdb; syslinux /dev/sdb
[07:12] <Necrosporus> Now I trying to disassemble initrd.lz to see, what happened
[07:13] <Necrosporus> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/500822 looks similar, so it is not probably problem of my way
[07:14] <Necrosporus> How to fix it?
[07:14] <Necrosporus> There I can't see the solution
[07:15] <Necrosporus> My host OS is Slackware, if it can help
[07:40] <imbrandon> i think you need to do more than copy the OS , iirc something with casper
[07:40] <imbrandon> look how usb-creator does it
[07:42] <Necrosporus> imbrandon, there is bug report about usb creator
[07:43] <Necrosporus> Users report same error
[07:43] <Necrosporus> With sticks created with creator
[07:43] <ebroder> Any ubuntu-sru around to laugh at bug #577305?
[07:45] <Necrosporus> ed is best text editor
[07:55] <wgrant> xnox: GCC 4.5.
[07:56] <xnox> wgrant, well then maverick should have been opened before lucid's release.... my cowbuilder is still getting gcc-4.4 i'll upgrade / redoit again against archive.ubuntu.com
[07:56] <pitti> ScottK: prmoted the gcc 4.5 bits
[07:57] <xnox> wgrant, this is delaying me =((((( for toolchain related bits I'd love to get into maverick universe
[07:57] <wgrant> xnox: Lucid's only been out a week.
[07:57] <wgrant> But the toolchain should be done now.
[07:57] <wgrant> It was broken last night, but pitti probably just fixed it.
[07:57] <pitti> yes, see http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt
[07:58] <pitti> I promoted the whole gcc-4.5 lot
[07:58] <wgrant> Great.
[08:00] <kirkland> \o/
[08:01] <wgrant> Half the ports buildds seem to be broken :/
[08:05] <pitti> wgrant: 4.5 isn't the default gcc yet, though
[08:06] <wgrant> pitti: Isn't it? Then why did build-essential break when 4.5 wasn't available?
[08:06] <pitti> wgrant: which package did it break on?
[08:07] <wgrant> pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/429514/
[08:07] <wgrant> Broke all !universe builds last night.
[08:07] <pitti> ah, gcc-4.5-base, yes
[08:07]  * pitti -> back to conference; will read scrollback later on
[08:22] <xnox> pitti, wgrant, kirkland gcc-defaults hasn't been uploaded by doko to actually pull in gcc-4.5. The current g++ & gcc in maverick is still the same "dummy" package as in lucid pulling in gcc-4.4 toolchain instead of gcc-4.5 =(
[08:36] <SandGorgon> a random question - would it make sense to build an Ubuntu service/init framework out of erlang. Erlang was specifically designed for failure recovery and long running services (and can be stripped down to 3mb)
[09:04] <sladen> SandGorgon: 3 Megabit is a heck of a lot of flash.  Never mind 3 Megabyte
[09:05] <SandGorgon> sladen, probably i did'nt word it right. I was thinking more on terms of an upstart-erlang
[09:13] <sladen> SandGorgon: the one thing to do is to try it.  If it works, people may ultimately use it
[09:19] <SandGorgon> sladen, heh.. right. Just wanted to throw the idea out there, so I may know why it _wont_ work
[09:50] <arand> Is this strace output of any use to debug a stalled plymouth/mountall, or simply genericly uninteresting: http://imagebin.org/96083 ?
[11:36] <fbond> dZilla
[13:05] <cjwatson> nigelbabu: moderated
[13:17] <YokoZar> bah, my flight just got cancelled
[13:17] <YokoZar> Won't get in till Tuesday
[13:23] <hyperair> flights cancelled? what now, more volcanic ash?
[13:24] <DktrKranz> yeah
[13:25] <Laney> from where?
[13:27] <DktrKranz> souther europe, mainly
[13:27] <DktrKranz> spain, mediterranean french coast, italy
[13:35] <YokoZar> Mine from Chicago to Brussels was cancelled
[13:35] <Sarvatt> i woke up to a voicemail that my itinerary had been completely changed too at the last minute, fun stuff
[13:35] <YokoZar> Like 8 of us were on it
[13:35] <Sarvatt> YokoZar: oh shoot, thats the same flight I'm on
[13:35] <sebner> Laney: I'm fiXX0ring the muine ftbfs for you since DktrKranz asked me *so* nicely ;)
[13:35] <Sarvatt> they just switched me over to that, AA88?
[13:35] <YokoZar> Sarvatt: I'm calling them right now to try to get a flight to a nearby airport
[13:36] <Laney> sebner: ajmitch was doing that
[13:36] <YokoZar> Sarvatt: well I'm pretty sure it was the Chicago->Brussels leg of the trip that was cancelled since there's about a million ways to get to Chicago
[13:36] <Laney> the fix is upstream and you can just backport the change
[13:36] <sebner> Laney: in Debian?
[13:36] <Laney> if he didn't do it already
[13:36] <Laney> yes of course
[13:36] <Laney> is there any other way?
[13:37] <sebner> Laney: he hasn't done it, and I fixed it myself, just 2 lines to replace (old GTK calls)
[13:37] <Laney> well it's upstream
[13:37]  * Laney shrugs
[13:37]  * sebner doesn't care about upstream :P /me cares about Debian/Ubuntu \o/
[13:38] <Sarvatt> they switched me from DC-JFK-Brussels to DC-O'hare-Brussels about an hour ago, but that sucks if thats canceled too
[13:38] <Laney> err
[13:47] <YokoZar> Sarvatt: ok so I'm flying to Paris today instead and training in
[13:48] <YokoZar> Sarvatt: the system booked me on a flight that arrives tuesday morning, she could have rebooked me on one that arraives monday morning, but it's possible that one will be cancelled too due to ash
[14:19] <nigelbabu> cjwatson: thank you
[14:34] <bigon> if I upload a pkg to lucid-proposed it's possible to copy it to mavrick?
[14:34] <cjwatson> yes
[14:36] <bigon> great
[14:39] <ScottK> cjwatson: On the off chance you have time for a bit of archive admin work, would you please accept boost1.42 into Main from binary New and then sync boost-defaults from Debian?
[15:01] <cjwatson> ScottK: do I need to wait an archive cycle between the first and second?  I've done the first
[15:02] <cjwatson> actually it seems clear that I don't need to wait
[15:02] <cjwatson> ScottK: done
[15:02] <ScottK> Thanks.
[15:02] <ScottK> Worst case I hit retry when I have a moment anyway..
[15:06] <Sarvatt> YokoZar: phew, they booked me on flight 88 *tomorrow* not today when my JFK flight was cancelled, thats why I didn't get the cancellation notice
[15:06] <Sarvatt> YokoZar: thanks a ton for the heads up though
[15:11] <YokoZar> Sarvatt: if the ash cloud continues that flight has a chance of getting canceled too, methinks
[15:16] <doko> ScottK: please could you make sure that boost1.42 is buildable with gcc-4.5?
[15:16] <ScottK> doko: It built with whatever is default right now.  I'm just about to leave for the airport, so not immediately.
[15:17] <doko> ScottK: not urgent ...
[15:26]  * \sh is really lucky to be travelling by train to brussels ;)
[15:28] <stgraber> I've been flying from Canada two weeks ago ;) Just need to fly from Zurich to Brussels and if that fails for whatever reason, I can still fallback to using the train ;)
[15:48] <dupondje> what is going to happen in brussels ? :p
[15:49] <jpds> dupondje: Not much.
[15:49] <lee_> hmm
[15:59] <JanC> dupondje: will you come to UDS?
[15:59] <psusi> yay, maverick is open!
[16:00] <dupondje> JanC: no idea :) have to work in the evening, so eventually i can come :)
[16:01] <JanC> dupondje: maybe on Thursday or Friday?  ☺
[16:03] <dupondje> why then ? :)
[16:19] <psusi> oh dear... bit torrenting the dvd image seems to cause ext4 to go stupid....  the physical blocks appear to be rather contiguous but they are described with tons of extents that should have been merged due to their being contiguous but aren't...
[16:23] <SwedeMike> psusi: I'm seeing much worse performance on xfs when using bittorrent (rtorrent) than when doing same speed linear downloading, so I think files on disk look quite different. Havent seen what xfs does though, xfs_fsr doesn't do that much with the files as far as I can see though
[16:23] <psusi> the weird thing is that the block allocator IS doing a great job keeping it not fragmented, but the extent tree that describes it is all fubar
[16:24] <psusi> there also seem to be holes in the file that were never written by bit torrent, but they have blocks reserved for them as uninitialized segments so that they will be kept contiguous when that area IS written
[16:34] <psusi> well that was odd... I was wondering why parts of the file were uninitialized... kicked transmission to reverify and it finished downloading the missing bits
[16:42] <alexbligh> I am building a custom kernel package (new flavour) for lucid using "fakeroot debian/rules binary-FLAVOUR" etc.; I want the resultant kernel image's initrd to modprobe some modules irrespective of the target system's /etc/initramfs-tools/modules. How do I achieve this?
[17:14] <ScottK> cjwatson: If you're still around, boost-defaults needs binary New and then we should be set on boost for Maverick.
[17:14] <ScottK> or maybe slangasek....
[17:16] <sheldon__> hi, how can i reconstruct the debian directory of a source package using .diff file?
[17:16] <sheldon__> have i to "mkdir debian / cd debian / patch < file.diff" ?
[17:17] <azeem_> sheldon__: dpkg-source does this for you
[17:17] <sheldon__> wow thanks azeem
[17:17] <sheldon__> azeem_:  thanks
[17:17] <azeem_> dpkg-source -x foo.dsc
[17:32] <ccheney> ugh my flight appears delayed by 2.5hr :-\
[17:35] <ScottK> delayed > cancelled
[17:35] <ccheney> yea have to determine what to do about the second leg
[17:37] <ccheney> luckily there is a 4:00-4:55 flight from frankfurt to brussels
[17:40] <RoAkSoAx> ccheney, where you flying from?
[17:40] <RoAkSoAx> oh ok
[17:48] <ccheney> RoAkSoAx: Houston to Frankfurt to Brussels
[17:49] <ccheney> RoAkSoAx: the plane is from Amsterdam and is delayed coming in apparently
[17:49] <RoAkSoAx> ccheney, I'm stuck in MIA, my flight from Chicago to BRU was cancelled
[17:50] <ccheney> RoAkSoAx: it is about 6.5hr late which throws my flight off by 2.5hr apparently
[17:50] <ccheney> RoAkSoAx: oh
[17:50] <ccheney> RoAkSoAx: is there a really bad weather issue over there?
[17:51] <RoAkSoAx> ccheney, It is because of the ash cloud, the flight from Chicago to BRU got cancelled
[18:01] <ccheney> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8669610.stm  <- more fun ash cloud mess
[18:05] <Necrosporus> I have installed mobile phone as bluetooth device and have installed connection for my provider within network manager
[18:05] <Necrosporus> But how can I start connection using such connection settings with phone as modem?
[18:26] <Viper550> Okay, this is more of a Lubuntu question, but - I'm having a intriguing argument about GTK engines
[18:27] <Viper550> Would GTK engines that use Cairo extensively (clearlooks, etc) degrade performance on older computers?
[18:27] <hyperair> it might
[18:28] <hyperair> but it really depends how old we're talking about
[18:28] <hyperair> a pentium 100MHz might feel a little sluggish.
[18:29] <hyperair> i imagine anything with any semblence of a GPU should handle a cairo-based engine just fine
[18:29] <Viper550> yeah. I'm trying to think of a theme idea for Lubuntu, and they seem to be aiming around that kind of hardware (it's LXDE based)
[18:30] <hyperair> yes, i know, i was quite within the loop of lubuntu things since its inception =\
[18:30] <Viper550> I've seen this other distro that uses LXDE, its BLAZING fast. They have it in only a 30MB ISO, and yet its got a decent array of applications (including midori, a small webkit-based browser)
[18:31] <Viper550> althouigh I heard Chrome may be juggled around for Lubuntu
[18:31] <hyperair> chromium has memory issues.
[18:31] <hyperair> try marathoning manga.
[18:31] <hyperair> i did the other day, it blew my 2G of RAM away.
[18:31] <Viper550> midori is gtk-based
[18:31] <hyperair> i had to close the tab, copy the url to a new tab, and then my memory came back
[18:32] <hyperair> i think i knew that.
[18:32] <hyperair> midori's quite a minimal browser though, which is why i haven't bothered to give it a good look.
[18:33] <Viper550> chrome is pretty minimal too to be honest
[18:34] <hyperair> less minimal than the other minimals
[18:38] <sebner> hyperair: epiphany !
[18:47] <ccheney> i got my connecting flight rebooked so i should be good to go :)
[18:51] <LucidFox> Bah... I hate autotools
[18:54] <LucidFox> Trying to add a patch that adds a .c file and an .h file and a library, and it's a pain
[19:00] <hyperair> LucidFox: really? i don't really find it that hard.
[19:00] <LucidFox> Added a huge patch for autoreconf, which makes the build run on my machine and fail in PPA.
[19:00] <hyperair> LucidFox: drop the autoreconf patch, and just autoreconf in debian/rules.
[19:00] <LucidFox> I tried
[19:00] <hyperair> find -name Makefile.in -delete after
[19:02] <LucidFox> hyperair> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/48063944/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.liferea_1.7.4-2~llfsyncfix1%2Bsikon1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[19:07] <hyperair> i've seen something like that before.
[19:07] <LucidFox> Any ideas what that is?
[19:07] <hyperair> pass --disable-maintainer-mode to configure
[19:08] <hyperair> the timestamps got screwed.
[19:08] <hyperair> you're also missing libtool
[19:08] <hyperair> see the autoconf call.
[19:08] <hyperair> Can't exec "libtoolize": No such file or directory at /usr/bin/autoreconf line 189.
[19:10] <hyperair> this is why you should use dh7, or cdbs. they pass all the extra useful flags that make all this really easy.
[19:54] <LucidFox> hyperair> It worked!
[19:54] <hyperair> =)
[19:55] <hyperair> LucidFox: i spent a whole day on that back when i first encountered that issue =p
[19:55] <hyperair> i was processing the ftbfs list
[20:20] <LucidFox> And there we go. http://lucidfox.org/posts/view/573
[20:20] <hyperair> whoa!
[20:20] <hyperair> off i go to the PPA
[20:23] <\sh> LucidFox, looks nice :)
[20:33] <hyperair> LucidFox: say, it seems you got thunderbird into the messaging indicator! how?
[20:34] <LucidFox> Experimental bzr version of the libnotify-mozilla extension
[20:34] <bluefoxicy> so something's been bugging me for 3 or 4 releases.
[20:34] <LucidFox> (which also adds notify-osd notifications for mail arrival)
[20:34] <bluefoxicy> which I'm unsure of how exactly to file a bug for, if anyone can guess the core issue?
[20:35] <bluefoxicy> Removing linux-backports-modules-2.6.28-14-generic ...
[20:35] <bluefoxicy> Purging configuration files for linux-backports-modules-2.6.28-14-generic ...
[20:35] <bluefoxicy> FATAL: Could not open '/boot/System.map-2.6.28-14-generic': No such file or directory
[20:35] <bluefoxicy> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-14-generic
[20:35] <bluefoxicy> Cannot find /lib/modules/2.6.28-14-generic
[20:35] <bluefoxicy> update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-14-generic
[20:36] <bluefoxicy> ^^^ This completely fails, dpkg complains, and the package won't remove.
[20:36] <bluefoxicy> The package no longer even exists.  software-store is also lingering
[20:36] <hyperair> LucidFox: okay, that is totally awesome. i'll go give it a go
[20:37] <LucidFox> And that's actually the Xfce panel, with the indicator applet running via XfApplet. Wish Xfce will get native support sometime...
[20:38] <hyperair> interesting
[20:40] <mr_pouit> LucidFox: http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-indicator-plugin
[20:40] <LucidFox> Tried it. Didn't build -_-
[20:40] <mr_pouit> but it's outdated and doesn't build anymore I guess (the api changed too much)
[20:40] <mr_pouit> yeah
[20:50] <jdong> psusi: do you have your post defrag png's handy?
[20:54] <ebroder> Hey jdong - can I get you to look at, and then probably mock me for, bug #577305?
[20:55] <jdong> ebroder: sure, lemme see
[20:56] <jdong> ebroder: ACKed. I do think the better one is "better" ;-)
[20:57] <ebroder> jdong: texlive-binaries has a lot of dependencies, so I jumped to the longest line in the control file :)
[20:57] <jdong> ebroder: ah :) yay heuristics!
[20:58] <jdong> for a moment there I thought you were trying a are-you-awake test on me ;-)
[20:59] <ebroder> Heh. Well, thanks. I'll subscribe sponsors
[20:59] <jdong> sure thing
[21:11] <ari-tczew> jdong: got a time for SRU review?
[21:18] <jdong> ari-tczew: kind of, give me bug number please
[21:20] <ari-tczew> jdong: bug 574262
[21:30] <jdong> ari-tczew: ACKEd
[21:32] <ari-tczew> jdong: ok thanks, so I'm going to pass remit to sponsors
[21:53] <psusi> jdong, not the ones I posted before... I've redone it... still holding at 13.xx seconds
[22:25] <psusi> anyone know of transmission uses fallocate() to preallocate space for a file?
[22:42] <bdrung> hi. i want to do a SRU. should i upload only the SRU package to lucid and let it copy to maverick or should i upload the package to maverick and a SRU one to lucid?
[22:49] <elleuca> hi, silly question: is the 10.04 netbook edition a LTS release or not? on www.ubuntu.com only desktop and server are marked as LTS :|
[22:51] <jdong> bdrung: the fix should be in Maverick before SRU'ed to lucid-proposed.
[22:51] <bdrung> jdong: yes, but if the fix and the version in maverick would be identical (= containing only the SRU fix)?
[22:54] <kklimonda> psusi: it does
[22:55] <psusi> kklimonda, that makes sense then... because the dvd image I downloaded with it has uninitialized extents... now I just need to get defrag to handle those..
[23:00]  * psusi smacks defrag around a bit to work with uninitialized extents
[23:00] <jdong> bdrung: it's still meant for lucid-proposed to be a independent series of maverick
[23:00] <jdong> bdrung: so two uploads -- one to maverick, and a differently versioned one to lucid-proposed using SRU version numbers
[23:49] <slangasek> ScottK: accepted