[00:42] <funkyHat> Is rtkit to be default in Maverick? It's showing up as recommends for pulseaudio now
[00:42] <funkyHat> It's possible it was before and I missed ti
[00:42] <funkyHat> s/ti/it/
[01:29] <kklimonda> funkyHat: it's recommended in lucid too so you have probably just missed it
[03:51] <z3r0-c001> does anyone know the adobe url that i have to use to adjust cam and mic settings
[03:52] <z3r0-c001> #ubuntu
[12:24] <BUGabundo> morning
[12:24] <BUGabundo> so, I got this e-sata disk that keeps asking for GKSUDO whenever I plug it
[12:25] <BUGabundo> I'll add "/dev/sdb1	/media/wdtvdisk ext2 " to fstab
[12:25] <BUGabundo> but I'm missing something
[12:25] <BUGabundo> should I do "auto" too, like cdrom?
[12:26] <penguin42> BUGabundo: /dev/sdb2 /media/wdtvdisk ext2 defaults 0 0     should work
[12:26] <penguin42> (the 0 0 means no fsck)
[12:26] <penguin42> are you sure you mean 2 ?
[12:29]  * penguin42 hasn't seen a definition of what stuff requires perms and what isn't - usb sticks seem to be automounted; esata will be a bit different because it probably can't tell it's any different from an onboard
[12:30] <BUGabundo> penguin42: yeah... it's a movie disk on WDTV
[12:30] <BUGabundo> penguin42: usb pendrives in vfat, ntfs, or ext4 have no prob
[12:31] <BUGabundo> but any vfat or extfs disk I plug via e-sata will not automount
[12:31] <BUGabundo> and when I do mount it, it asks for ROOT
[12:31] <BUGabundo> even if then the device is mounted for my user
[12:31] <BUGabundo> as been like this since alpha2 or beta (aka alpha3) lucid
[12:31] <BUGabundo> I did file a bug back then, but I never moved
[12:36] <penguin42> I think it's probably actually the right behaviour - the system has no way of knowing it isn't just an inbuilt disk and it wouldn't let normal users screw with those
[12:37] <penguin42> BUGabundo: If instead of defaults you put something like user   I think it might let you do it as you
[12:38] <Ian_Corne> penguin42: but by contrast, I'm allowed to mount my other sata disks, without password
[12:38] <penguin42> you are? OK I give up - I don't understand what the rules are at all
[12:38] <penguin42> (which is frankly a bit worrying from a security point of view)
[12:39] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo: are you in plugdev?
[12:39] <Ian_Corne> the group
[12:39] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: should I ?
[12:39] <Ian_Corne> Yes
[12:39] <Ian_Corne> to mount such drives I think
[12:39] <BUGabundo> last I heard Pitty said we should not be in any groups
[12:39] <BUGabundo> and udev would take care of everthing
[12:39] <BUGabundo> even to bring breakfast to bed
[12:40] <Ian_Corne> in the gui for user thingies, i've got "Access external storage devices automaticly" marked
[12:40] <BUGabundo> let me check
[12:40] <BUGabundo> bugabundo adm dialout fax cdrom floppy tape audio dip video plugdev fuse lpadmin netdev admin sambashare
[12:41] <Ian_Corne> icorne adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare
[12:41] <BUGabundo> I'm in plugdev
[12:41] <BUGabundo> so that's not it
[12:41] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[12:41] <Ian_Corne> I have no idea
[12:41] <Ian_Corne> I don't haven an E-sata disk tho to try it with
[12:42] <Ian_Corne> because the system COULD make a difference between hotplugged drives and pre-plugged ones
[12:42] <Ian_Corne> it can see if it's an e-sata disk
[12:42] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Try /dev/sdb1 /wherever ext2 user,noauto,relatime 0 0
[12:42] <penguin42> BUGabundo: That should let a user mount it but not auto mount it at boot
[12:43] <Ian_Corne> but that's nasty
[12:43] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: I don't disagree
[12:43] <Ian_Corne> ok :)
[12:43] <Ian_Corne> do uuid's ever change?
[12:44]  * penguin42 finds it surprising there doesn't seem to be any settings dialog on a per-partition basis so I can set things like what to do when a usb drive is hot plugged
[12:44] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: They shouldn't
[12:45] <penguin42> hmm breakfast time
[12:46] <BUGabundo> enjoy
[12:55]  * BUGabundo light bulbs
[12:55] <BUGabundo> I wonder if my e-sata _bug_ is from me umounting it *everytime* before unplug
[13:01] <Ian_Corne> you should always unmount, no?
[13:03] <BUGabundo> I usually do
[13:03] <BUGabundo> but I remember that could be the cause
[13:03] <BUGabundo> I do $ sync
[13:03] <BUGabundo> so I'm usually safe from bad flashes
[13:13] <penguin42> sync isn't enough to guarentee it
[13:15] <BUGabundo> ok
[13:15] <BUGabundo> then ill keep on doing unmout
[13:26] <yofel> Ian_Corne: UUIDs are set when you format a partition, so they should never change uness you reformat it
[13:27] <Ian_Corne> then he should probably use the uuid to mount that disk to that spot, I guess
[13:28] <Ian_Corne> altho any new disks won't be able to user mount
[13:29] <penguin42> yeh, and with modern kernels you have to be a little careful because the order of sd* isn't necessarily consistent from one boot to the next
[13:31] <z3r0-c001> other than interface whatis the diffrence between remix and desktop
[14:07] <BluesKaj> hey folks
[14:08] <Ian_Corne> Hello
[14:11] <BUGabundo_lunch> hey BluesKaj... you are up early
[14:16] <BluesKaj> nope, just here early , BUGabundo_lunch :)
[14:16] <BUGabundo_DrWho> or that
[14:36] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo_DrWho, what's the point of this chat ...isn't it a bit too soon to put it back up ?
[14:38] <BUGabundo_DrWho> of course not
[14:38] <BluesKaj> heh
[14:39] <BluesKaj> we can use it as another offtopic room
[14:40] <BUGabundo_DrWho> naaa
[14:40] <BUGabundo_DrWho> our OPs don't like that much
[14:40] <yofel> hey, we *could* discuss our uds topics
[14:41] <BUGabundo_DrWho> plus I'm running maverick
[14:41] <yofel> but I would rather have it stop raining here -.-
[14:41] <BUGabundo_DrWho> so I'll be here ranting about the UI changes
[14:41] <BUGabundo_DrWho> and broken stuff for the next 6 months
[14:41] <yofel> heh
[14:41] <BUGabundo_DrWho> yofel: +1
[14:45] <BUGabundo_DrWho> maco: can you invite "Yutaka" to #ubuntu-woman? thanks
[14:46] <BluesKaj> so you devs are alreadyon the maverick wagon/
[14:46] <BUGabundo_DrWho> I'm no dev!
[14:47]  * yofel is honored to be counted as a dev even though he isn't ^^
[14:47] <BUGabundo_DrWho> I'm the least dev of you all
[14:47] <BUGabundo_DrWho> I don't even have a ppa :)
[14:47] <BUGabundo_DrWho> unlike the abusive yofel :)
[14:47] <yofel> :P
[14:47] <Timo_> Hey do you blokes know why it is that canonical keeps changing the layout of Ubuntu each release?
[14:48] <BUGabundo_DrWho> heeh
[14:48] <BUGabundo_DrWho> to make it less
[14:48] <BUGabundo_DrWho> what ever that is
[14:48] <BluesKaj> so where's maverick available then?
[14:48] <BUGabundo_DrWho> repos
[14:48] <BUGabundo_DrWho> serveral mirrors, actually
[14:48] <BUGabundo_DrWho> no UM -d yet
[14:48] <Timo_> I'm using the great Linux Mint now, which stays on a same layout and it works pretty well, I'm comfortable with it and a new release just handed me out the newest software with some other improvements
[14:49] <BUGabundo_DrWho> good for you
[14:49] <BUGabundo_DrWho> Freedom :)
[14:49] <BUGabundo_DrWho> .... its overated... or not
[14:49] <Timo_> Yes, well I was running 9.10 for quite a long time and I loved it. 10.04, have been on it for about an hour and hated it already :P
[14:50] <BUGabundo_DrWho> lol
[14:51] <BluesKaj> interesting Timo_ , my experience is exactly opposite of yours , karmic wasn't my cuppa tea at all
[14:51] <Timo_> That's funny :>
[14:52] <Timo_> Well I actually liked all releases except fro 10.04
[14:52] <Timo_> well the new theme, it's experimenting, and that should be supported, that's true :D
[14:54] <BUGabundo_DrWho> well I liked 9.10
[14:54] <BUGabundo_DrWho> lucid hasn't all that smooth
[14:54] <BUGabundo_DrWho> let see how will maverick does
[14:54] <BUGabundo_DrWho> and they need to get shorter names
[14:54] <Ian_Corne> Hmm, i've noticed less people with problems compared to 9.10 after release tho
[14:54] <BUGabundo_DrWho> they are getting bigger and bigger .... too much to type
[14:54] <Ian_Corne> except the eee people
[14:54] <yofel> I liked ubuntu until they invented notify-osd, and it's a mess since 9.10 (upstart, and now plymouth, ...)
[14:55] <BUGabundo_DrWho> yofel: again, +1
[14:55] <BUGabundo_DrWho> so you mean 9.04 alpha 4 ? :D /rant
[14:55] <Trewas> 10.04 has one very obvious bug to everyone, I was surprised the window controls were broken even when not using the previous default theme in 9.10... otherwise it has been quite ok
[14:56] <yofel> BUGabundo_DrWho: no, I won't continue the rants from back then, I do remeber them as if it was yesterday though :P
[14:56] <BUGabundo_DrWho> ahaaha
[14:56] <BUGabundo_DrWho> I still get bug mail from UM changes :(
[14:56] <BUGabundo_DrWho> and the the new change to remove tooltips
[14:56] <BUGabundo_DrWho> even got a reply from Mark
[14:57] <yofel> I unsubscribed from the UM bug, still subscribed on the tooltips rant though
[14:59] <JoshuaL> i miss the tooltips
[14:59] <JoshuaL> they where giving some good information, like what song was playing in rhythmbox etc.
[15:00] <yofel> I agree with his argument that people are abusing them, but I did like the battery information
[15:00] <JoshuaL> + that
[15:01] <JoshuaL> furthermore im happy with ubuntu, cant live without it ;-)
[15:02] <yofel> oh, Psi has a great tooltip here... hover on the systray icon and a tooltip opens saying... 'Psi'
[15:02] <yofel> very useful
[15:02] <Ian_Corne> the weather tooltip is handy tho
[15:03] <JoshuaL> nm-applet still gives an tooltip
[15:09] <JoshuaL> Is there a list of features to be expected in maverick?
[15:11] <BUGabundo_DrWho> not yet
[15:11] <BUGabundo_DrWho> only after UDS
[16:10] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo_TrueBl, got a mirror for maverick , maybe I'll try it on my desktop pc.
[16:10] <BUGabundo_TrueBl> main ?
[16:10] <BUGabundo_TrueBl> I have two in portugal
[16:10] <BUGabundo_TrueBl> I guess one of your local mirrors has it too
[16:10] <BUGabundo_TrueBl> just check it out
[16:11] <BluesKaj> i got the main
[16:32] <mxe5> I just downloaded the latest Lucid i86 ver. ISO - Is this version any different than the one I downloaded right after the Final release was out ? ?
[16:32] <holstein> it shouldnt be
[16:34] <mxe5> holstein; Thanks just wondering - Have a lappy I acquired going to install on.
[16:34] <holstein> i have a server install
[16:34] <holstein> i updated before the final
[16:34] <holstein> a few days
[16:34] <holstein> and theres no security updates since then
[16:35] <holstein> i think if something really funky got in
[16:35] <holstein> they would roll a new one
[16:35] <mxe5> holstein; Why did you go with the server install - Sharing files, etc. ?
[16:35] <BluesKaj> holstein, there have been a few updates since , mostly language
[16:36] <holstein> mxe5: i got an icecast server
[16:36] <holstein> running on a laptop
[16:37] <holstein> thats all it does really
[16:37] <holstein> right now at least
[16:38] <holstein> BluesKaj: yeah, if i see a security update, i'll do it
[16:38] <holstein> otherwise, if it aint broke...
[16:38] <mxe5> holstein: Are you streaming radio or something?
[16:39] <holstein> im a musician
[16:39] <holstein> and i stream gigs sometimes
[16:39] <mxe5> cool
[16:39] <holstein> and i can stream my piano
[16:40] <holstein> for teaching purposes
[16:40] <mxe5> sweet
[16:40] <holstein> icecast works great
[16:41] <holstein> im in a channel #opensourcemusicians
[16:41] <holstein> and we stream content for each other
[16:41] <holstein> live gigs
[16:41] <holstein> podcasts
[16:41] <mxe5> I think only reason I reason I would use Server ed. is to setup something for sharing files across my network.
[16:42] <holstein> everyone contributes with what they do
[16:42] <holstein> mxe5: have you looked at http://www.turnkeylinux.org/
[16:43] <holstein> i built a webserver
[16:43] <holstein> on a hardy PPC install
[16:43] <mxe5> yup - Personally I think some of the help I've gotten in these IRC channels is leagues ahead of Msoft support or Dell or whatever......
[16:43] <holstein> to learn
[16:43] <holstein> and since then, i just grab these
[16:44] <holstein> mxe5: i moved my audio studio over to linux
[16:44] <holstein> and i would not have been able to get it up and running without the help i have found here
[16:44] <holstein> and ive made some great friends
[16:45] <mxe5> yup - that turnkey - is it virtyual box or what exactly
[16:45] <holstein> iso's
[16:45] <mxe5> ah
[16:45] <holstein> too easy
[16:46] <holstein> web based admin
[16:46] <holstein> all kinds of different set-ups
[16:47] <holstein> ive tried the drupal, joomla, and wordpress ones
[16:47] <holstein> and i suggested the file-sharing one
[16:47] <mxe5> will definitely check out later - have it bookmarked\
[16:47] <holstein> and heard good things
[16:47] <holstein> ive used them in virtual box too
[16:47] <holstein> for testing
[16:48] <holstein> if you can get Vbox to route the network properly, your good to go
[16:49] <mxe5> how long is this lucid irc channel going to go
[16:50] <mxe5> yea virtualbox is pretty nice for testing - getting usb to be seen doesn't always work good
[16:51] <Ian_Corne> mxe5: this isn't a lucid channel anymore
[16:51] <Ian_Corne> this is a maverick channel now
[16:52] <mxe5> I
[16:53] <mxe5> Ah - I still had ubuntu+1 still listed in my channels and thought that was what this was.
[16:53] <holstein> it was
[16:53] <holstein> but now +1 is maverick
[16:53] <guntbert> mxe5: it is #ubuntu+1
[16:53] <holstein> 10.10
[16:53] <BUGabundo_TrueBl> eheh
[16:53] <mxe5> okie dokie
[16:55] <mxe5> so i was under the impression the ubuntu+1 channel was for specific questions, etc pertaining to lucid release
[16:55] <holstein> nah
[16:55] <mxe5> oh ok
[16:55] <holstein> its for questions pertaining to the next release
[16:56] <holstein> whatever release is being developed and tested
[16:56] <Volkodav> what kernel will they start with ?
[16:56] <mxe5> ah - that would be maverick - is that part of the name
[16:56] <holstein> hmmm
[16:56] <holstein> Volkodav: i forget where that is
[16:57] <BUGabundo_TrueBl> Linux BluBUG 2.6.32-21-generic #32-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 16 08:09:38 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[16:57] <holstein> theres a page about the goals somewhere
[16:57] <BUGabundo_TrueBl> Volkodav: ^^^^^
[16:57] <holstein> ah BUGabundo_TrueBl :)
[16:57] <Volkodav> volkodav@Lynx-64:~$ uname -a
[16:57] <Volkodav> Linux Lynx-64 2.6.34-020634rc5-generic #020634rc5 SMP Tue Apr 20 09:07:31 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[16:59] <BUGabundo_TrueBl> daily kernels are not supported oficially
[17:00] <Volkodav> works fine for me - I need 33 and up for TRIM support
[17:02] <BUGabundo_TrueBl> I guess
[17:03] <mxe5> holstein: I saw the Zen virtual at the bottom of the Turnkey site you posted - have you used that yet - looks pretty good?
[17:03] <holstein> i havent tried that one
[17:04] <holstein> i bet its great
[17:04] <JoshuaL> i wonder if +1 will get better SSD support
[17:05] <holstein> JoshuaL: do you do any flags in fstab?
[17:05] <Volkodav> JoshuaL: I expect btrfs to be an option for install
[17:05] <Volkodav> it has SSD mode
[17:06] <JoshuaL> i dont have a ssd yet, but did some research since i am considering to buy a ssd. i dont wont to change stuff manually in order to get the best out of it :)
[17:06] <Volkodav> I have one and there is not much to change
[17:06] <mxe5> holstein: I see the server edition is 64bit - is that the only version - my lappy is older i86 model?
[17:06] <holstein> hmmm
[17:07] <Volkodav> I changed the fstab to enable TRIM "discard" and swapiness
[17:07] <Volkodav> that's pretty much it
[17:07] <holstein> mxe5: your looking for a lucid server x86 iso?
[17:07] <Volkodav> and put the logs in ram to tmpfs
[17:08] <mxe5> holstein: Is that version you installed on your laptop? Yes x86 version would work fine.
[17:08] <holstein> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/
[17:08] <holstein> i think that should do you right
[17:09] <holstein> the top one
[17:09] <mxe5> holstein: Ah ok Thanks - You got me thinking about using this version - I might test it out as a sharing place for music etc.
[17:10] <holstein> i run ssh on it
[17:10] <mxe5> yup
[17:11] <holstein> works great
[17:11] <mxe5> Think I will go with the i386 version this l;
[17:11] <mxe5> * this lappy has intel chipset
[17:12] <holstein> im running it on a P3
[17:12] <holstein> 900 or so
[17:13] <mxe5> that's cool - still using a good ol P-III that's great!
[17:14] <mxe5> I remember when I first used my i486 It was a hotrod compared to the very 1st Pentium setups.
[17:15] <mxe5> I'm dating myself - but I remember when I paid over $200 for 4mb's ram he heh
[17:15] <holstein> ;)
[17:15] <mxe5> gotta run - thanks for tip on turnkey - will check it out
[17:16] <holstein> later
[17:16] <mxe5> late
[17:24] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo_TrueBl, installed maverick on the desktop pc ...seems ok so far
[17:24] <BUGabundo_TrueBl> cool
[17:24] <BUGabundo_TrueBl> wb
[17:25] <BluesKaj> gonna stick with lucid on the laptop tho...for stability
[17:27] <BluesKaj> the desktop is my labrat pc :)
[17:27] <Ian_Corne> For me it's the other way round :)
[17:27] <BUGabundo_TrueBl> I only have this laptop for me
[17:27] <yofel> for me too, my desktop has the backups ^^
[17:28] <BluesKaj> getting a bit old ...single amd venice cpu and crappy ati onboard graphics and audio
[17:28]  * JoshuaL has only a laptop
[17:28] <JoshuaL> intel core i5 in it, so im good for the next few years :P
[17:29] <BluesKaj> cool , i can still ssh into the desktop from he lappy, even after the upgrade
[17:30] <BluesKaj> now if I could just install lucid on wife's pc , all would be good :)
[17:31] <BUGabundo_TrueBl> ahah
[17:31] <BUGabundo_TrueBl> who's the boss at home?
[17:31] <BUGabundo_TrueBl> :)
[17:33] <BluesKaj> heh, I made the mistake of buying her a new pc with dual cores 2.8ghz amd cpu etc , but we're using it as our media server in the tv room . running spdif/digital out to the HK for audio and dvi-hdmi to the tv for the video portion
[17:34] <BluesKaj> works well as a second source for media
[17:37] <BluesKaj> the nvidia geforce 7600 gt could barely handle the immense data requirements of "Avatar" or so it seemed , a few buffer freezes now and then with that video
[17:39] <BluesKaj> the HD version I mean , the std dvd version was fine
[18:05] <mxe5> holstein: Did you go with the Sever or Cloud version?
[18:05] <mxe5> *Server
[18:07] <holstein> i just did plain old server mxe5
[18:09] <mxe5> ok - thx - got it downloaded & burned - doing a check of disk now
[18:46] <sebsebseb> Hi
[20:43] <aboSamoor> Hi, can anyone help to understand why fsck is called every time I boot ubuntu ?
[20:46] <SwedeMike> aboSamoor: are you sure you want to ask that in #ubuntu+1 and not in #ubuntu ?
[20:47] <aboSamoor> SwedeMike: #ubuntu is so crowded and usually you do not get help for advanced problems
[20:47] <SwedeMike> good luck then.
[20:48] <BlackOtaku> Hey yall. I'm upgrading a fresh Lucid install to Maverick; updating the update-notifier package in Synaptic requires the removal of the ubuntu-desktop package. Is this safe to remove?
[20:53] <BlackOtaku> It's my assumption that since ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage that depends on most of the things found in a default install, it wouldn't be safe to remove... am I correct in this assumption?
[20:54] <yofel> well, if you *just* remove ubuntu-desktop nothing will be broken, but that it even wants to remove ubuntu-desktop is an indication that you might not want to apply the update at this point
[20:54] <arand> BlackOtaku: It is safe to remove, however it convenient for organisatory purposes
[20:55] <BlackOtaku> Alright, then I think I'll go ahead and update it then... wish me luck
[20:55] <arand> For example, if you choose to get rid of evlolution from a default install, then ubuntu-desktop would have to go as well...
[20:55] <BlackOtaku> Ahh ok I see.
[20:56] <arand> BlackOtaku: If an update wants to remove it, the update is likely bd
[20:56] <arand> *bad
[20:57] <BlackOtaku> You're probably right, it's telling me that it couldn't resolve a dependency... Alright, then I'll leave that alone.
[20:57] <arand> But if you actively want to remove something which comes in the default install, then often ubuntu-desktop has to go...
[20:58] <BlackOtaku> Alright, all of the updates have been installed and I'm rebooting my Maverick VM
[20:59] <BlackOtaku> It's booted up fine, thanks again :)
[20:59]  * arand needs to get onto maverick at some point... bluh.
[21:25] <aboSamoor> SwedeMike, thanks for the wish, it seems nowadays so hard to get help for ubuntu any where, I am trying IRC and forums and no luck till now !
[21:40] <acicula> if it does that the most likely culprit would be the shutdown sequenec failing to unmount the disk?
[21:58] <meowbuntu> hi what is the latest full final release of ubuntu
[21:58] <SwedeMike> 10.04
[21:58] <SwedeMike> as advertised on www.ubuntu.com
[22:00] <meowbuntu> is that final now
[22:00] <meowbuntu> so atm this channel is not needed
[22:00] <yofel> it sure is, maverick development has started
[22:01] <yofel> but lucid is released, support in #ubuntu
[22:01] <meowbuntu> lucid any better than 9.10
[22:02] <meowbuntu> 9.10 performed like crap on my old p4 atm am using ubuntu8.04 and no problems
[22:02] <meowbuntu> 8.04 is the most stable on older computers that is y i am not putting my hopes on lucid
[22:04] <SwedeMike> what was the problem with 9.10 ?
[22:04] <SwedeMike> I have 10.04 working on a thinkpad T40, seems just fine, and that's quite old.
[22:29] <meowbuntu> SwedeMike, well it had quite alot of problems sound would not work at all, cpu was peaking lots even with bare minimal apps running. was quite unstable, etc
[22:30] <meowbuntu> others had this problems to
[22:30] <meowbuntu> so i reverted back to the stable consistent 8.04 and now my computer i thought was stuffed is actually working again
[22:36] <yofel> LeonardDi: o.O?
[22:37] <LeonardDi> joking on another #
[22:37] <yofel> heh
[22:37] <LeonardDi> I keep forgetting this goes *everywhere*
[22:37] <LeonardDi> one of this days.....
[22:39] <Ian_Corne> meowbuntu: for support for lucid -> #ubuntu
[22:40] <meowbuntu> Ian_Corne, not using lucid as i have clearly said
[22:42] <Ian_Corne> are you using maverick?
[22:43] <Ian_Corne> did your comment have anything to do with the upcomming release of ubuntu?
[22:44] <Gumby> looking at the release schedule its pretty darn early in the release cycle to be testing huh
[22:44] <Ian_Corne> It is :)
[22:44] <Gumby> hehe, I wont put it on my daily laptop just yet then  ;)
[22:44] <BluesKaj> so far so good here , on my old desktop
[22:45] <BluesKaj> but i won't put it on the laptop yet
[22:46] <Ian_Corne> Well, it's not at the point of really breaking things yet I think
[22:46] <Ian_Corne> altho I can't launch a terminal via the shortcut anymore :p
[22:47] <BUGabundo> Gumby: are you trying to insult us, maverick users?
[22:48] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: theres a shortcut??
[22:48] <Gumby> BUGabundo: lol, hardly
[22:48] <BUGabundo> I always user gnome do
[22:48] <BUGabundo> and I have a gnome-terminal on startup apps :)
[22:48] <Ian_Corne> I use ctrl + alt + t
[22:55]  * arand thinks ctrl+alt+t is the horriblest kbd shortcut ever, still happy there's at least something per default.
[22:56] <Ian_Corne> arand: why's that?
[22:57] <Ian_Corne> it's doable with one hand
[22:57] <Ian_Corne> and doesn't get pushed by accident
[22:57] <Ian_Corne> i got ctrl + alt + r for irssi :)
[22:58] <arand> ...barely, I find it immensely uncomfy.
[22:59] <Ian_Corne> :)
[23:00] <Ian_Corne> guess to each his own
[23:29] <blerk> someone here told me howto get the volume controls back to verical instead of the new horizontal default, but i forgot how :(
[23:38] <yofel> blerk: if you're using lucid then please ask in #ubuntu, this is maverick support now
[23:39] <blerk> :(
[23:40] <blerk> the traffic goes too quickly and nobody answered, but it seems the old volume control applet has been removed from both ubuntu and the repos
[23:40] <blerk> so too bad for me :D
[23:43] <yofel> well, most of the folks that were here a few weeks ago are gone now that lucid is out and at least I can't help you as I don't use gnome
[23:43] <blerk> no worries, thanks