[00:42] Is rtkit to be default in Maverick? It's showing up as recommends for pulseaudio now [00:42] It's possible it was before and I missed ti [00:42] s/ti/it/ === BUGabundo_NCIS is now known as BUGabundo_SGU [01:29] funkyHat: it's recommended in lucid too so you have probably just missed it === FFForever is now known as FFForever-Away === FFForever-Away is now known as FFForever [03:51] does anyone know the adobe url that i have to use to adjust cam and mic settings === skyjumpe1 is now known as skyjumper [03:52] #ubuntu === GerritTrain is now known as Gerrit === JanC_ is now known as JanC [12:24] morning [12:24] so, I got this e-sata disk that keeps asking for GKSUDO whenever I plug it [12:25] I'll add "/dev/sdb1 /media/wdtvdisk ext2 " to fstab [12:25] but I'm missing something [12:25] should I do "auto" too, like cdrom? [12:26] BUGabundo: /dev/sdb2 /media/wdtvdisk ext2 defaults 0 0 should work [12:26] (the 0 0 means no fsck) [12:26] are you sure you mean 2 ? [12:29] * penguin42 hasn't seen a definition of what stuff requires perms and what isn't - usb sticks seem to be automounted; esata will be a bit different because it probably can't tell it's any different from an onboard [12:30] penguin42: yeah... it's a movie disk on WDTV [12:30] penguin42: usb pendrives in vfat, ntfs, or ext4 have no prob [12:31] but any vfat or extfs disk I plug via e-sata will not automount [12:31] and when I do mount it, it asks for ROOT [12:31] even if then the device is mounted for my user [12:31] as been like this since alpha2 or beta (aka alpha3) lucid [12:31] I did file a bug back then, but I never moved [12:36] I think it's probably actually the right behaviour - the system has no way of knowing it isn't just an inbuilt disk and it wouldn't let normal users screw with those [12:37] BUGabundo: If instead of defaults you put something like user I think it might let you do it as you [12:38] penguin42: but by contrast, I'm allowed to mount my other sata disks, without password [12:38] you are? OK I give up - I don't understand what the rules are at all [12:38] (which is frankly a bit worrying from a security point of view) [12:39] BUGabundo: are you in plugdev? [12:39] the group [12:39] Ian_Corne: should I ? [12:39] Yes [12:39] to mount such drives I think [12:39] last I heard Pitty said we should not be in any groups [12:39] and udev would take care of everthing [12:39] even to bring breakfast to bed [12:40] in the gui for user thingies, i've got "Access external storage devices automaticly" marked [12:40] let me check [12:40] bugabundo adm dialout fax cdrom floppy tape audio dip video plugdev fuse lpadmin netdev admin sambashare [12:41] icorne adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare [12:41] I'm in plugdev [12:41] so that's not it [12:41] hmm [12:41] I have no idea [12:41] I don't haven an E-sata disk tho to try it with [12:42] because the system COULD make a difference between hotplugged drives and pre-plugged ones [12:42] it can see if it's an e-sata disk [12:42] BUGabundo: Try /dev/sdb1 /wherever ext2 user,noauto,relatime 0 0 [12:42] BUGabundo: That should let a user mount it but not auto mount it at boot [12:43] but that's nasty [12:43] Ian_Corne: I don't disagree [12:43] ok :) [12:43] do uuid's ever change? [12:44] * penguin42 finds it surprising there doesn't seem to be any settings dialog on a per-partition basis so I can set things like what to do when a usb drive is hot plugged [12:44] Ian_Corne: They shouldn't [12:45] hmm breakfast time [12:46] enjoy [12:55] * BUGabundo light bulbs [12:55] I wonder if my e-sata _bug_ is from me umounting it *everytime* before unplug [13:01] you should always unmount, no? [13:03] I usually do [13:03] but I remember that could be the cause [13:03] I do $ sync [13:03] so I'm usually safe from bad flashes [13:13] sync isn't enough to guarentee it [13:15] ok [13:15] then ill keep on doing unmout === BUGabundo is now known as BUGabundo_lunch [13:26] Ian_Corne: UUIDs are set when you format a partition, so they should never change uness you reformat it [13:27] then he should probably use the uuid to mount that disk to that spot, I guess [13:28] altho any new disks won't be able to user mount [13:29] yeh, and with modern kernels you have to be a little careful because the order of sd* isn't necessarily consistent from one boot to the next [13:31] other than interface whatis the diffrence between remix and desktop [14:07] hey folks [14:08] Hello [14:11] hey BluesKaj... you are up early [14:16] nope, just here early , BUGabundo_lunch :) === BUGabundo_lunch is now known as BUGabundo_DrWho [14:16] or that [14:36] BUGabundo_DrWho, what's the point of this chat ...isn't it a bit too soon to put it back up ? [14:38] of course not [14:38] heh [14:39] we can use it as another offtopic room [14:40] naaa [14:40] our OPs don't like that much [14:40] hey, we *could* discuss our uds topics [14:41] plus I'm running maverick [14:41] but I would rather have it stop raining here -.- [14:41] so I'll be here ranting about the UI changes [14:41] and broken stuff for the next 6 months [14:41] heh [14:41] yofel: +1 [14:45] maco: can you invite "Yutaka" to #ubuntu-woman? thanks [14:46] so you devs are alreadyon the maverick wagon/ [14:46] I'm no dev! [14:47] * yofel is honored to be counted as a dev even though he isn't ^^ [14:47] I'm the least dev of you all [14:47] I don't even have a ppa :) [14:47] unlike the abusive yofel :) [14:47] :P [14:47] Hey do you blokes know why it is that canonical keeps changing the layout of Ubuntu each release? [14:48] heeh [14:48] to make it less [14:48] what ever that is [14:48] so where's maverick available then? [14:48] repos [14:48] serveral mirrors, actually [14:48] no UM -d yet [14:48] I'm using the great Linux Mint now, which stays on a same layout and it works pretty well, I'm comfortable with it and a new release just handed me out the newest software with some other improvements [14:49] good for you [14:49] Freedom :) [14:49] .... its overated... or not [14:49] Yes, well I was running 9.10 for quite a long time and I loved it. 10.04, have been on it for about an hour and hated it already :P [14:50] lol [14:51] interesting Timo_ , my experience is exactly opposite of yours , karmic wasn't my cuppa tea at all [14:51] That's funny :> [14:52] Well I actually liked all releases except fro 10.04 [14:52] well the new theme, it's experimenting, and that should be supported, that's true :D [14:54] well I liked 9.10 [14:54] lucid hasn't all that smooth [14:54] let see how will maverick does [14:54] and they need to get shorter names [14:54] Hmm, i've noticed less people with problems compared to 9.10 after release tho [14:54] they are getting bigger and bigger .... too much to type [14:54] except the eee people [14:54] I liked ubuntu until they invented notify-osd, and it's a mess since 9.10 (upstart, and now plymouth, ...) [14:55] yofel: again, +1 [14:55] so you mean 9.04 alpha 4 ? :D /rant [14:55] 10.04 has one very obvious bug to everyone, I was surprised the window controls were broken even when not using the previous default theme in 9.10... otherwise it has been quite ok [14:56] BUGabundo_DrWho: no, I won't continue the rants from back then, I do remeber them as if it was yesterday though :P [14:56] ahaaha [14:56] I still get bug mail from UM changes :( [14:56] and the the new change to remove tooltips [14:56] even got a reply from Mark [14:57] I unsubscribed from the UM bug, still subscribed on the tooltips rant though [14:59] i miss the tooltips [14:59] they where giving some good information, like what song was playing in rhythmbox etc. [15:00] I agree with his argument that people are abusing them, but I did like the battery information [15:00] + that [15:01] furthermore im happy with ubuntu, cant live without it ;-) [15:02] oh, Psi has a great tooltip here... hover on the systray icon and a tooltip opens saying... 'Psi' [15:02] very useful [15:02] the weather tooltip is handy tho [15:03] nm-applet still gives an tooltip [15:09] Is there a list of features to be expected in maverick? [15:11] not yet [15:11] only after UDS === BUGabundo_DrWho is now known as BUGabundo_SGU === BUGabundo_SGU is now known as BUGabundo_TrueBl [16:10] BUGabundo_TrueBl, got a mirror for maverick , maybe I'll try it on my desktop pc. [16:10] main ? [16:10] I have two in portugal [16:10] I guess one of your local mirrors has it too [16:10] just check it out [16:11] i got the main [16:32] I just downloaded the latest Lucid i86 ver. ISO - Is this version any different than the one I downloaded right after the Final release was out ? ? [16:32] it shouldnt be [16:34] holstein; Thanks just wondering - Have a lappy I acquired going to install on. [16:34] i have a server install [16:34] i updated before the final [16:34] a few days [16:34] and theres no security updates since then [16:35] i think if something really funky got in [16:35] they would roll a new one [16:35] holstein; Why did you go with the server install - Sharing files, etc. ? [16:35] holstein, there have been a few updates since , mostly language [16:36] mxe5: i got an icecast server [16:36] running on a laptop [16:37] thats all it does really [16:37] right now at least [16:38] BluesKaj: yeah, if i see a security update, i'll do it [16:38] otherwise, if it aint broke... [16:38] holstein: Are you streaming radio or something? [16:39] im a musician [16:39] and i stream gigs sometimes [16:39] cool [16:39] and i can stream my piano [16:40] for teaching purposes [16:40] sweet [16:40] icecast works great [16:41] im in a channel #opensourcemusicians [16:41] and we stream content for each other [16:41] live gigs [16:41] podcasts [16:41] I think only reason I reason I would use Server ed. is to setup something for sharing files across my network. [16:42] everyone contributes with what they do [16:42] mxe5: have you looked at http://www.turnkeylinux.org/ [16:43] i built a webserver [16:43] on a hardy PPC install [16:43] yup - Personally I think some of the help I've gotten in these IRC channels is leagues ahead of Msoft support or Dell or whatever...... [16:43] to learn [16:43] and since then, i just grab these [16:44] mxe5: i moved my audio studio over to linux [16:44] and i would not have been able to get it up and running without the help i have found here [16:44] and ive made some great friends [16:45] yup - that turnkey - is it virtyual box or what exactly [16:45] iso's [16:45] ah [16:45] too easy [16:46] web based admin [16:46] all kinds of different set-ups [16:47] ive tried the drupal, joomla, and wordpress ones [16:47] and i suggested the file-sharing one [16:47] will definitely check out later - have it bookmarked\ [16:47] and heard good things [16:47] ive used them in virtual box too [16:47] for testing [16:48] if you can get Vbox to route the network properly, your good to go [16:49] how long is this lucid irc channel going to go [16:50] yea virtualbox is pretty nice for testing - getting usb to be seen doesn't always work good [16:51] mxe5: this isn't a lucid channel anymore [16:51] this is a maverick channel now [16:52] I [16:53] Ah - I still had ubuntu+1 still listed in my channels and thought that was what this was. [16:53] it was [16:53] but now +1 is maverick [16:53] mxe5: it is #ubuntu+1 [16:53] 10.10 [16:53] eheh [16:53] okie dokie [16:55] so i was under the impression the ubuntu+1 channel was for specific questions, etc pertaining to lucid release [16:55] nah [16:55] oh ok [16:55] its for questions pertaining to the next release [16:56] whatever release is being developed and tested [16:56] what kernel will they start with ? [16:56] ah - that would be maverick - is that part of the name [16:56] hmmm [16:56] Volkodav: i forget where that is [16:57] Linux BluBUG 2.6.32-21-generic #32-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 16 08:09:38 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux [16:57] theres a page about the goals somewhere [16:57] Volkodav: ^^^^^ [16:57] ah BUGabundo_TrueBl :) [16:57] volkodav@Lynx-64:~$ uname -a [16:57] Linux Lynx-64 2.6.34-020634rc5-generic #020634rc5 SMP Tue Apr 20 09:07:31 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux [16:59] daily kernels are not supported oficially [17:00] works fine for me - I need 33 and up for TRIM support [17:02] I guess [17:03] holstein: I saw the Zen virtual at the bottom of the Turnkey site you posted - have you used that yet - looks pretty good? [17:03] i havent tried that one [17:04] i bet its great [17:04] i wonder if +1 will get better SSD support [17:05] JoshuaL: do you do any flags in fstab? [17:05] JoshuaL: I expect btrfs to be an option for install [17:05] it has SSD mode [17:06] i dont have a ssd yet, but did some research since i am considering to buy a ssd. i dont wont to change stuff manually in order to get the best out of it :) [17:06] I have one and there is not much to change [17:06] holstein: I see the server edition is 64bit - is that the only version - my lappy is older i86 model? [17:06] hmmm [17:07] I changed the fstab to enable TRIM "discard" and swapiness [17:07] that's pretty much it [17:07] mxe5: your looking for a lucid server x86 iso? [17:07] and put the logs in ram to tmpfs [17:08] holstein: Is that version you installed on your laptop? Yes x86 version would work fine. [17:08] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/ [17:08] i think that should do you right [17:09] the top one [17:09] holstein: Ah ok Thanks - You got me thinking about using this version - I might test it out as a sharing place for music etc. [17:10] i run ssh on it [17:10] yup [17:11] works great [17:11] Think I will go with the i386 version this l; [17:11] * this lappy has intel chipset [17:12] im running it on a P3 [17:12] 900 or so [17:13] that's cool - still using a good ol P-III that's great! === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:14] I remember when I first used my i486 It was a hotrod compared to the very 1st Pentium setups. [17:15] I'm dating myself - but I remember when I paid over $200 for 4mb's ram he heh [17:15] ;) [17:15] gotta run - thanks for tip on turnkey - will check it out [17:16] later [17:16] late [17:24] BUGabundo_TrueBl, installed maverick on the desktop pc ...seems ok so far [17:24] cool [17:24] wb [17:25] gonna stick with lucid on the laptop tho...for stability [17:27] the desktop is my labrat pc :) [17:27] For me it's the other way round :) [17:27] I only have this laptop for me [17:27] for me too, my desktop has the backups ^^ [17:28] getting a bit old ...single amd venice cpu and crappy ati onboard graphics and audio [17:28] * JoshuaL has only a laptop [17:28] intel core i5 in it, so im good for the next few years :P [17:29] cool , i can still ssh into the desktop from he lappy, even after the upgrade [17:30] now if I could just install lucid on wife's pc , all would be good :) [17:31] ahah [17:31] who's the boss at home? [17:31] :) [17:33] heh, I made the mistake of buying her a new pc with dual cores 2.8ghz amd cpu etc , but we're using it as our media server in the tv room . running spdif/digital out to the HK for audio and dvi-hdmi to the tv for the video portion [17:34] works well as a second source for media [17:37] the nvidia geforce 7600 gt could barely handle the immense data requirements of "Avatar" or so it seemed , a few buffer freezes now and then with that video [17:39] the HD version I mean , the std dvd version was fine [18:05] holstein: Did you go with the Sever or Cloud version? [18:05] *Server [18:07] i just did plain old server mxe5 [18:09] ok - thx - got it downloaded & burned - doing a check of disk now [18:46] Hi === BUGabundo_TrueBl is now known as BUGabundo_S32A === BUGabundo_S32A is now known as PsychoI3oy_g1 === PsychoI3oy_g1 is now known as BUGabundo [20:43] Hi, can anyone help to understand why fsck is called every time I boot ubuntu ? [20:46] aboSamoor: are you sure you want to ask that in #ubuntu+1 and not in #ubuntu ? [20:47] SwedeMike: #ubuntu is so crowded and usually you do not get help for advanced problems [20:47] good luck then. [20:48] Hey yall. I'm upgrading a fresh Lucid install to Maverick; updating the update-notifier package in Synaptic requires the removal of the ubuntu-desktop package. Is this safe to remove? [20:53] It's my assumption that since ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage that depends on most of the things found in a default install, it wouldn't be safe to remove... am I correct in this assumption? [20:54] well, if you *just* remove ubuntu-desktop nothing will be broken, but that it even wants to remove ubuntu-desktop is an indication that you might not want to apply the update at this point [20:54] BlackOtaku: It is safe to remove, however it convenient for organisatory purposes [20:55] Alright, then I think I'll go ahead and update it then... wish me luck [20:55] For example, if you choose to get rid of evlolution from a default install, then ubuntu-desktop would have to go as well... [20:55] Ahh ok I see. [20:56] BlackOtaku: If an update wants to remove it, the update is likely bd [20:56] *bad [20:57] You're probably right, it's telling me that it couldn't resolve a dependency... Alright, then I'll leave that alone. [20:57] But if you actively want to remove something which comes in the default install, then often ubuntu-desktop has to go... [20:58] Alright, all of the updates have been installed and I'm rebooting my Maverick VM [20:59] It's booted up fine, thanks again :) [20:59] * arand needs to get onto maverick at some point... bluh. [21:25] SwedeMike, thanks for the wish, it seems nowadays so hard to get help for ubuntu any where, I am trying IRC and forums and no luck till now ! [21:40] if it does that the most likely culprit would be the shutdown sequenec failing to unmount the disk? [21:58] hi what is the latest full final release of ubuntu [21:58] 10.04 [21:58] as advertised on www.ubuntu.com [22:00] is that final now [22:00] so atm this channel is not needed [22:00] it sure is, maverick development has started [22:01] but lucid is released, support in #ubuntu [22:01] lucid any better than 9.10 [22:02] 9.10 performed like crap on my old p4 atm am using ubuntu8.04 and no problems [22:02] 8.04 is the most stable on older computers that is y i am not putting my hopes on lucid [22:04] what was the problem with 9.10 ? [22:04] I have 10.04 working on a thinkpad T40, seems just fine, and that's quite old. [22:29] SwedeMike, well it had quite alot of problems sound would not work at all, cpu was peaking lots even with bare minimal apps running. was quite unstable, etc [22:30] others had this problems to [22:30] so i reverted back to the stable consistent 8.04 and now my computer i thought was stuffed is actually working again === BUGabundo is now known as LeonardDi [22:36] LeonardDi: o.O? [22:37] joking on another # [22:37] heh [22:37] I keep forgetting this goes *everywhere* [22:37] one of this days..... === LeonardDi is now known as BUGabundo [22:39] meowbuntu: for support for lucid -> #ubuntu [22:40] Ian_Corne, not using lucid as i have clearly said [22:42] are you using maverick? [22:43] did your comment have anything to do with the upcomming release of ubuntu? [22:44] looking at the release schedule its pretty darn early in the release cycle to be testing huh [22:44] It is :) [22:44] hehe, I wont put it on my daily laptop just yet then ;) [22:44] so far so good here , on my old desktop [22:45] but i won't put it on the laptop yet [22:46] Well, it's not at the point of really breaking things yet I think [22:46] altho I can't launch a terminal via the shortcut anymore :p [22:47] Gumby: are you trying to insult us, maverick users? [22:48] Ian_Corne: theres a shortcut?? [22:48] BUGabundo: lol, hardly [22:48] I always user gnome do [22:48] and I have a gnome-terminal on startup apps :) [22:48] I use ctrl + alt + t [22:55] * arand thinks ctrl+alt+t is the horriblest kbd shortcut ever, still happy there's at least something per default. [22:56] arand: why's that? [22:57] it's doable with one hand [22:57] and doesn't get pushed by accident [22:57] i got ctrl + alt + r for irssi :) [22:58] ...barely, I find it immensely uncomfy. [22:59] :) [23:00] guess to each his own [23:29] someone here told me howto get the volume controls back to verical instead of the new horizontal default, but i forgot how :( [23:38] blerk: if you're using lucid then please ask in #ubuntu, this is maverick support now [23:39] :( [23:40] the traffic goes too quickly and nobody answered, but it seems the old volume control applet has been removed from both ubuntu and the repos [23:40] so too bad for me :D [23:43] well, most of the folks that were here a few weeks ago are gone now that lucid is out and at least I can't help you as I don't use gnome [23:43] no worries, thanks