[02:31] BLARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH [02:33] What's up, tronyx? [02:33] sitting on my ass [02:33] you? [02:35] hey tronyx [02:35] hi [02:35] tronyx, sup brothah? [02:35] nada [02:35] word [02:35] o.o paul? [02:36] jawohl :) [02:36] change of name my love? [02:36] tronyx, just keeping a low profile sweet thang [02:36] i see mon ami [02:37] tronyx, s'new these days? did you wrap up that course? [02:37] or is that a sore subject [02:37] sore subject [02:37] lol [02:37] aye [02:37] no worries [02:37] but i love you nonetheless [02:37] tronyx, back atcha ;) [02:38] so many people in this channel [02:38] ping ajmorris [02:38] haven't heard from ajmorris in a long time [02:38] yeah [02:38] I saw him a few nights ago [02:39] uh oh [02:39] RAWRRRRRRR [02:39] /part outa here [02:39] =p [02:39] just checking [02:40] :P [02:40] howdy ibuclaw [02:40] jesus i hate being on call [02:40] tronyx, aye mate [02:41] and i still hate the security section of the forums lol [02:41] LOLZ PEN TEST MY NETWORKZ [02:41] tronyx, =P [02:41] <3 ibuclaw [02:41] hayyyyy ibuclaw [02:41] muzha, try using wireshark for that [02:41] the security forum is the epitome of not using the search function [02:42] tronyx, yeah man [02:42] fucking absurd [02:42] trolls, people who don't use the search function, and general....shennanigans [02:42] er, no offense, but maybe this should move to the -team channel? haha [02:42] !language | muzha [02:42] muzha: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [02:42] "THING UBUNTY IS SECURE!? How about this rkhunter log on fresh 19.298 install!!! PWNT WINE IN VIRUSES!!!.@# LINUZ!' [02:42] tronyx, goddamn right [02:43] i love security, we all know this [02:43] muzha: nice to see you too paul [02:43] you too ZachK_ :) [02:43] and if there was ever an original post in that section, i would respond so fast [02:43] but alas, it's always the same [02:43] muzha: what's with the nick? [02:43] ZachK_, keeping a low profile. This is my alias fyi [02:43] * tronyx waves to ZachK_ [02:43] muzha: ah... [02:43] hey tronyx long time no see man! where the hell have you been!?!?! [02:44] oh i am always here in some form or another ;) [02:44] it's like the bat signal, just ping me and i will get back to you, otherwise i just lurk lol [02:44] tronyx: ah..well nice to see you back [02:44] tronyx, yeah [02:44] good to see you as well ZachK_ =D [02:44] tronyx: hey....you like wiki work? [02:44] what do you mean do i like wiki work? [02:44] muzha, as soon as you said 'fscking absurd' your cover was blown ;) [02:44] like wiki markup language? [02:44] ibuclaw, you should know this nick o.O [02:45] like actual wiki work..editing, making pages... [02:45] well, it's marking up languages [02:45] what are you getting at ZachK_ my love? [02:45] muzha, I don't keep track of names and changes. Personalities stick out though. [02:45] tronyx: do you want to do wiki [02:45] ibuclaw, aye, they sure do [02:45] depends ZachK_ [02:45] what do you have in mind? [02:46] tronyx: Summer of Documentation [02:46] i have an erection [02:46] go on [02:46] SoDomy [02:46] just kidding, but you can continue... [02:46] lol [02:46] Iron Man 2 is a good movie btw [02:46] tronyx, what's the hardest thing about killing a 5 year old? [02:47] tronyx, my dick [02:47] Where's the Summer of Documentation? [02:47] oh god [02:47] Laid off with all the other tech writers. [02:47] what do we document ZachK_ ? [02:47] P.S. let's move this to #ubuntu-beginners-team tronyx [02:47] it's a project by the WIki FG/Lead which is targeted at doing a major overhaul of the wiki/help.ubuntu site [03:05] hi [03:06] I met a problem when have upgraded my ubuntu [03:06] the version now is 10.04 [03:06] and i used UNR 9.10 [03:06] it works well [03:07] but something goes wrong under 10.04 [03:07] everytime i start up, many nautilus opens [03:08] as in many nautilus windows open up on every login? [03:08] yes [03:09] too many [03:09] do they all open the same thing? [03:09] i didn't notice. [03:09] they are unvisible [03:09] but i can see them from task list [03:09] on the panel [03:10] and each one just says "Nautilus"? [03:10] they are too many and i cannot see the title [03:10] only the icon [03:11] strange. are you able to click them and bring up a window? [03:11] no,nothing happens after a click [03:11] and computer becomes slow [03:12] whatsmore,my main menu lost the item "Applications" [03:12] just "Applications"? [03:12] Yes [03:13] very odd, the three menus are part of the same applet. well, first off, sorry for the trouble you are having [03:13] x( [03:14] i mean,"Applications" is still there,but it's empty [03:14] and nothing happens after clicking "Edit menus" [03:14] ah, i was just going to ask you to do that, haha [03:15] what could i do..? [03:15] if you run 'top' in a terminal, is nautilus taking up most of the CPU? [03:16] ok,i will have a try. [03:16] back in few minutes [03:19] back [03:19] this time nautilus works well [03:20] and i m confused [03:20] well at least that's improvement =) [03:20] what about Applications? [03:20] still not.. [03:20] does Edit Menus still not work either? [03:21] no.it doesn't [03:21] aluex: aptitude show alacarte is it installed? [03:21] what's that? [03:21] allows you to edit gnome menus [03:22] !info alacarte [03:22] aluex: Sorry, "aptitude show alacarte" is a command for the terminal. [03:22] ...there isn't a bot in here other than the logger, is there [03:22] ? [03:22] aluex: Run it and the State: line will say if it's installed. [03:23] installed [03:23] aluex: OK, try "sudo aptitude reinstall alacarte" [03:23] ok [03:24] if it still doesn't work after that, try running just 'alacarte' in a terminal and see what output you get (should just open the menu editor) [03:24] oh [03:26] still in process... [03:27] when you run 'alacarte'? [03:28] Traceback (most recent call last): [03:28] File "/usr/bin/alacarte", line 36, in [03:28] main() [03:28] File "/usr/bin/alacarte", line 32, in main [03:28] app = MainWindow(datadir, version, sys.argv) [03:28] File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/Alacarte/MainWindow.py", line 48, in __init__ [03:28] self.editor = MenuEditor() [03:28] File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/Alacarte/MenuEditor.py", line 36, in __init__ [03:28] self.__loadMenus() [03:28] File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/Alacarte/MenuEditor.py", line 48, in __loadMenus [03:28] self.applications.dom = xml.dom.minidom.parse(self.applications.path) [03:28] File "/usr/lib/python2.6/xml/dom/minidom.py", line 1918, in parse [03:28] return expatbuilder.parse(file) [03:28] aluex: pastebin long output please [03:28] File "/usr/lib/python2.6/xml/dom/expatbuilder.py", line 924, in parse [03:28] result = builder.parseFile(fp) [03:28] File "/usr/lib/python2.6/xml/dom/expatbuilder.py", line 211, in parseFile [03:28] parser.Parse("", True) [03:28] xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: no element found: line 1, column 0 [03:28] pastebin? [03:29] pastebin.ubuntu.com [03:29] it allows you to put a lot of output into a text field and it gives you a link so we can look at it without the channel being filled with output messages =) [03:30] This is interesting. I installed digiKam, went to applications/graphics to run it, and it isn't listed. I went to edit the menu, and digiKam is listed, along with DNGConverter which is not being displayed in menu either. I checked their properties to see if the command was correct, it was. Back to menu they are listed now. I have to 'edit menu' click on properties before they are shown in menu. Any Ideas? [03:30] oh ,i see. [03:30] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/430333/ [03:30] this is convenient [03:31] yes it is. have you updated through the terminal or with the update manager to make sure you have the most recent versions of packages? [03:31] yes [03:32] bootstrap: not sure. i've had it take a minute for something to show up before, so maybe the timing was a coincidence? [03:32] I checked a bit more, it is only happening with KDE programs. [03:33] Is konqueror installed by default with ubuntu 10.04? [03:35] ddecator, my system is up-to-date [03:37] bootstrap: it is on kubuntu i believe, but not ubuntu [03:37] aluex: let me look for any bug reports a sec [03:37] ok. [03:37] ddecator: yeah it was present after I installed ubuntu though [03:38] bootstrap: a fresh install of ubuntu? [03:38] ddecator: Yes. I did install in a partition next to kde though, but I have never seen this happen before. [03:39] bootstrap: and i've never heard of it happening before.. [03:40] ddecator: I did already have three primary partitions, so I had to install it in the kde partition but... [03:42] ... I don't understand [03:42] aluex: looking at bug 79205, it suggests running 'rm ~/.config/menus/applications.menu' which will reset your applications menu [03:42] if that doesn't work, there is another possibility [03:43] bootstrap: i don't either unfortunately, but that's not exactly my area [03:43] ddecator, ok,i then have a try === muzha is now known as paultag_ [03:53] ddecator, thank you [03:54] it fixed [03:54] bootstrap: Try "aptitude why konqueror" [03:54] aluex: np =) [03:55] but nothing happens after clicking "Edit menus" [03:55] "Applications" is back [03:56] Appl6: i digikam Recommends kipi-plugins [03:56] i A kipi-plugins Recommends konqueror [03:56] Is that why I have konqueror? [03:57] bootstrap: Yes. Package managers have changed to install not just the "depends" packages which are NEEDED, to also installing the "recommends" packages. [03:57] bootstrap: So when you installed digikam it "recommends" installed kipi-plugins, which "recommended" konqueror, and so you got konqueror. [03:58] Appl6: ah, ok, thanks, I was doing ten things at once when it I installed it, wasn't paying attention. Thank you. [03:58] bootstrap: It's an issue because some packages have "recommends" like "I'm a browser and it would be recommended if you had fonts on your computer, but you can just look at the images if you want." [03:58] hello [03:59] i am having trouble with youtube videos. any help? [03:59] they lag when i play them [03:59] bootstrap: And other packages are like "I'm a regular photo editor. It is recommended that you install everything every produced for KDE so you get a KILLER EXPERIENCE." [03:59] Appl6: I see. [03:59] i have tried a couple different things and none have worked [03:59] Appl6: Yeah I have dolphin now too, I just found. [04:00] oh. poor aluex.. [04:00] bootstrap: Yeah, some applications are arguably broken if you don't have their "recommends", and others will pull in like all of KDE. [04:01] I also just switched to ubuntu today and my mic and webcam do not work. i thought it was just internal equipment that got messed up but i plugged in an external mic and it still did not work [04:01] bootstrap: If you install packages from the command line, you can do "apt-get --simulate install PACKAGE", which will show you all the stuff that it would have installed if you did it for real. If it's too much crap, you can do "sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends install PACKAGE" to avoid the recommended packages. [04:02] Appl6: Alright, good to know, thanks very much. [04:03] kidtp: what ubuntu version [04:03] tbh idk [04:03] bootstrap: Sure. [04:03] Zachk: i installed the newest version today. 64 bit [04:03] kidtp: hmm [04:04] kidtp: ask around about your issue..sorry that i can't help atm as i must go fetch some dinner but i shall return k? [04:04] zachk: ok [04:04] zachk: i will most likely be here : ) [04:04] kidtp: System -> About Ubuntu [04:05] kidtp: The first line should tell you what version you're running. [04:05] appl6: thank you. i am using 10.04 [04:06] alacarte still cannot run [04:06] kidtp: So I have neither a webcam nor a microphone, nor have I ever tried to set one up. It would be great if someone would step up now =), but failing that let me take a look on the Internet. [04:07] appl6: tyvm [04:08] kidtp: Have you ever used any Linux distribution before? [04:08] kidtp: As in, before today. [04:09] aluex: Is alacarte giving you the same error you had before? The python backtrace? [04:09] appl6: nope. i was getting aggrivated with windows becasue it doesnt move as fast as i would like so i spent this week researching and then today i installed it (note: i am only 14) [04:09] Appl6, yes [04:10] almost the same [04:11] kidtp: The reason I ask is because Linux has major hardware compatibility issues. Basically, you buy something like a mic or something at the store, and the chances it works on Windows are like 99.999%, and the chances it works on Linux are like 50%. [04:12] Appl6, that was true a few years ago, no so much today. Linux actually supports more hardware than windows does. [04:12] kidtp: The problem is people who make hardware only write drivers for Windows, and not for Linux, so we have to figure out how to use them on our own, and that's difficult and time-consuming. [04:12] Vantrax: Yes, it supports much more old hardware. If you consider only hardware released recently, the picture is much different. graphics cards *cough* [04:13] Appl6, it supports any current graphics card release from the major vendors. [04:13] ATI and Nvidia supply linux drivers [04:13] im using the Nvidia ones on my laptop now [04:13] kidtp:hmm, i foudn someone in another ubuntu channel that is giving me all these command lines to put in [04:13] i just talked to myself... [04:13] kidtp: OK, listen to them! haha [04:14] Vantrax: You can't be serious. People are constantly having serious issues, kernel panic level issues, with buggy proprietary drivers. [04:14] appl6: how do i put a command in? lol [04:14] im using the Nvidia ones installed via envy-ng with not a single problem [04:15] Vantrax: Proof by anecdote, awesome. I don't think this is worth continuing. [04:15] kidtp: Go to Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal [04:15] kidtp: It's an extremely important application; people will give you commands to run all the time. [04:15] Appl6, ok, if you want to go another step, i run a fleet of linux machines with a mix of intel, ati, and nvidia cards [04:15] with no problems at all [04:16] over 700 machines running Linux [04:16] its still proof by anecdote, but the scale is larger, and covering alot of models [04:17] kidtp: You can right click the Terminal and select "Add to panel" if you want it to show up just to the right of the System menu. [04:17] appl6: ok thanx :) now i have to figure out what to do now that the guy stopped helping me [04:18] kidtp, try to get him back by typing using his name in the chat, or open a private chat with /msg [04:18] appl6: it is asking me for a password. would that be my login password? [04:18] yes [04:18] kidtp: By the way, I'm also in #ubuntu, so I can watch from there. [04:19] vantrax: was that yes aimed at me? [04:19] appl6: ok cool [04:20] kidtp: the yes was aimed at you [04:20] kidtp: Yes, use your login password. [04:20] it isnt letting me type anything [04:20] it may not look like it is [04:20] kidtp: It doesn't display it so that people looking over your shoulder can't read your password [04:21] kidtp: It's like the all asterisks thing, except with no asterisks, ha. [04:21] wow lol [04:21] that is kinda silly imo [04:21] and i just typed in this command and dont know what it is doing...is that bad? [04:21] kidtp: What command? [04:21] 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras' [04:22] thats safe [04:22] ok cool [04:22] good one to install [04:22] what does it do? [04:22] i would run sudo jockey-gtk too and check if you have restricted drivers available [04:23] ok thanks [04:23] kidtp, installs a bunch of stuff like flash and java [04:23] ohhhhhhhh [04:23] vid codecs [04:23] vantrax: this should help with my youtube problems i hope [04:23] yes [04:23] once it is done do i close it? [04:24] kidtp: sudo means "run this as administrator (root)". apt-get is what you use to install or uninstall stuff. install means install. ubuntu-restricted-extras is the name of thing you're installing, and it has the stuff Vantrax mentioned. [04:24] kidtp: You probably want to leave it open; you use it for a lot. [04:24] appl6: ok thanks [04:24] its whats called a meta package, it has a ton of smaller packages in it, but is bundled for convenience [04:25] afk a bit for lunch [04:25] Any clue on how to install sound drivers? i have karmic .10 and have been unable to get any sound even after following other forums. [04:25] i was thinking about switching back to windows because of all the problems i encountered but now i realize all linux takes is a little time and effort and it can be better [04:27] kidtp: Most of the problems are encountered the first time you install. After that it should be pretty smooth sailing. The killer is when you find a bug that no one fixes, or where no one knows how to make something work. [04:28] appl6: you have been a lot of help. i still have one more problem tho. actually two but ill take it one at a time :) . the first is with a music streaming website called napster. i get an error message when i try to play a song. any ideas? [04:30] kidtp: Whenever you get an error, you should always put the full text of the error on pastebin.ubuntu.com. [04:30] kidtp: I mean, if you want other people to help you with it. [04:31] appl6: ok, i will try that. my second problem is itunes...i have an ipod touch and obviously i cant sync its apps with any other music program. this is no big deal because i have like 5 other computers which i can put itunes on, but is there anyway to put itunes on linux? [04:33] Appl6, alacarte still cannot run [04:33] aluex: OK, I will get back to you in a few minutes. I know you've been waiting for a while, but I can't find anything on Google, so I've been looking at the source code. [04:34] eh,thank you in advance. [04:34] never mind [04:34] kidtp: There's a program called Wine for Ubuntu that lets you run some Windows programs. A lot of people have used Wine to run iTunes successfully, but I have no experience with Wine. [04:34] appl6: ok i will try it. thanks for all your help [04:35] kidtp: If you want help with the napster error, post it on pastebin and copy the link here. [04:35] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/430352/ [04:35] appl6: like that? [04:36] kidtp: I think so, but that error doesn't tell me much =\. Can you give me a link to the exact napster page you were trying to use? [04:39] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/430353/ [04:39] the only problem is [04:39] i pay to use this site [04:39] so i am not sure if the links will work [04:40] kidtp: Oh, I see. It sounds like a Flash problem, which the ubuntu-restricted-extras may have fixed. In order to use the new Flash though, you have to restart Firefox. [04:42] appl6: ok that code did not help with napster. luckily napster is a minor problem that can be forgot about. you said you have no experience with wine? [04:42] kidtp: I think the second post here should fix it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1142190 [04:45] kidtp: No, I don't have experience with Wine. However, this is Wine's page dedicated to installations of iTunes (because so many people want it): http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1347 [04:47] appl6: Note: you'll need to have the Canonical "partner" repository to get access to the adobe-flashplugin package. this is what it says under the second post and i do not understand :( sorry for being so ignorant [04:48] kidtp: It sounds like iTunes on Wine actually isn't working as well as I thought, ha. Though there are a lot of options for playing music in Linux. You could start with Rhythmbox which comes preinstalled (Applications -> Sound and Video -> Rhythmbox). [04:49] appl6: ok i will move my itunes to a different computer-problem solved :) [04:49] kidtp: Did you run the two commands that the guy mentions? If there is no error, then you don't have to worry about his note. [04:49] kidtp: If there is an error, I'll show you how to do what the note says. [04:49] appl6: sadly, there is always an error. you may begin explaining lol [04:50] kidtp: Haha. [04:50] kidtp: Well, first, what's the error? [04:50] appl6: Package adobe-flashplugin is not available, but is referred to by another package. [04:50] This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or [04:50] is only available from another source [04:50] E: Package adobe-flashplugin has no installation candidate [04:50] kidtp: OK, yeah, note time =). [04:51] appl6: :) [04:51] kidtp: When you install a package (a package is something you install, like an application or codecs), it has to be downloaded from somewhere. [04:52] appl6: yes [04:52] kidtp: The place where it's downloaded from is called a repository. Packages are split into repositories based on certain characteristics, having to do with the licenses on the source code. Licenses are another issue. [04:52] kidtp: mhmmmm [04:53] omg [04:53] kidtp: Go to System -> Administration -> Software Sources [04:53] appl6: im there [04:53] kidtp: You see the "main", "universe", "multiverse", those are different repositories. [04:54] kidtp: Go to the Other Software tab. [04:54] appl6: i do not see those [04:54] appl6: i see main and partners [04:54] kidtp: Ummm... [04:55] kidtp: Press Printscreen to take a screenshot of what you see. Put it on www.imagebin.org [04:56] appl6: lol where is printscreen? [04:56] kidtp: It is usually on the far top right of your keyboard, above and to the right of Backspace. [04:56] kidtp: Called "Prt Sc" or something. [04:58] appl6: ok, on my keyboard it shows home and then under it [prt sc] i dont know how to do the prt sc [04:58] kidtp: Usually you have to hold a Function key (usually Fn, between Ctrl and Alt on the left side) and then press Home. === Phrea is now known as Phrea_ [05:00] appl6: where on imagebin? [05:00] kidtp: At the bottom left, Add your image. [05:01] appl6: ok it is up there under kidtp [05:02] Appl6: It's usually nice if you find it and paste the link here, but it's OK, I found it. [05:03] kidtp: Yikes. [05:03] kidtp: If you look up, I asked you to look for "main", "universe", etc. _before_ switching to the Other Software tab. [05:03] kidtp: So you'll see them if you go back to the Ubuntu Software tab. [05:04] appl6: haha ok yup. now what do i do? lol [05:04] kidtp: Anyway, your sources list looks a little screwy. It's not supposed to have the same item twice, and the 1st and 4th are the same. [05:05] kidtp: So delete the 4th one, and check the 1st one. [05:05] appl6: ok now what [05:05] kidtp: Close. [05:05] kidtp: It should ask to reload, do it. [05:06] Appl6, i m going to get offline. please contact me by email at aluex.cpp@gmail.com if any solutions are found. thank you [05:06] aluex: Alright. [05:06] appl6: mhmmm got that [05:06] kidtp: In the terminal, try "aptitude search adobe-flash" [05:07] appl6: a lot of things came up [05:07] kidtp: Good, is one of them "adobe-flashplugins"? [05:08] kidtp: If yes, then try that guy's two command again. [05:08] appl6: give me a couple minutes [05:08] kidtp: OK. [05:08] appl6: no.... [05:09] kidtp: Can you pastebin the output of the aptitude search command, please? [05:10] p addresses-goodies-for-gnustep - Personal Address Manager for GNUstep (Good [05:10] p apache2-mpm-prefork - Apache HTTP Server - traditional non-threa [05:10] p apache2-prefork-dev - Apache development headers - non-threaded [05:10] p apt-forktracer - a utility for tracking non-official packag [05:10] p asterisk-prompt-fr-proformatiqu - French voice prompts for Asterisk [05:10] appl6: it kicked me out for flood lol [05:11] kidtp: Yeah, that's why we use pastebin. [05:11] appl6: i dont think i did what you asked for [05:11] kidtp: They don't want incredible amounts of crap pasted in the channel, because no one else can keep their conversations going. [05:11] appl6: you use a lot of words that idk and it makes it hard for my tiny brain to comprehend lol [05:12] kidtp: Go to the terminal (should be open from last time), type "aptitude search adobe-flashplugin", and hit enter. [05:12] kidtp: You can actually just copy paste it, without the quotes. [05:13] no results [05:14] kidtp: Argh. Paste the results of the command "grep partner /etc/apt/sources.list" [05:15] ## 'partner' repository. [05:15] # deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu lucid partner [05:16] kidtp: Yay buggy programs. In the terminal, "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list", which should bring up a Notepad-like window (called a text editor). I want you to put this line before the "deb-src" line: [05:16] deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu lucid partner [05:18] appl6: now what? [05:18] kidtp: Save and exit. Then "aptitude search adobe-flashplugin" again (you can get old commands that you typed by pressing the Up and Down arrows). [05:19] appl6: wait, do i do it before everyone or just the first one? [05:19]