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* ccheney will be arriving in brussels at either 4:55pm or 6:40pm Sunday, not sure yet how delayed my flight will be00:24
Laneyccheney: approx the same :)00:39
Laney1850 here00:39
ccheneyLaney: continental claims my flight will arrive in frankfurt at 2:51pm but flighttrack pro claims 3:31pm, so maybe i will make the 4:05pm connecting flight or else get on the next one two hours later :-\00:59
JontheEchidna1445 on monday here :(00:59
ccheneyJontheEchidna: it should be clear by then hopefully01:00
JontheEchidnahopefully01:01
Laney:(01:01
Laneylooking forward to the next week though :)01:03
JontheEchidna:)01:03
* ccheney hopes not to get stuck in Europe for the summer01:13
* ccheney read somewhere that this volcano erupted for a year straight long ago, doing that now would cause some major flight problems01:13
lee_doesn't very many people talk on her01:22
lee_here*01:22
imbrandonlee_: its the weekend, and a day prior to UDS, so yea it will be quiet in here01:26
lee_UDS?01:30
lee_um, I've been here before and I gotta say it's not exactly the most talkative part of ubuntu01:30
ionYour single-digit sample size convinced us.01:31
lee_...01:33
lee_I hope you didn't just call me stupid01:33
lee_...01:34
macocrimsun just called and said his plane to uds /broke down/01:34
virtualdmaco: like before it got off the ground?01:35
macolike during take off01:35
virtualdoh shit?01:35
lee_that's bad01:35
macoit got a flat tire01:35
virtualdo.o01:36
macotook off anyway, got to the coast... then they were told they couldnt cross the atlantic with a flat tire and they had to fly back to dc01:36
ionWow01:36
maco(yes im laughing right now at "his plane got a flat")01:36
ccheneylmao01:36
lee_hahahahahaha01:37
virtuald:>01:37
* ccheney hopes crimsun can make it on a later flight01:37
macoits nearly 2100 here01:37
lee_no it's not it's 201001:37
lee_you got the one and zero mixed up01:38
macoer, its 838pm where i am01:38
macooh. year :P01:38
lee_738 where I'm at01:38
macono no im talking about time :P01:38
ccheneymaco: my flight here doesn't leave until 9:40 i think but that isn't a usual flight time, so yea he may be stuck until tomorrow01:38
lee_7:38pm01:38
ccheneyunless they land fix the flat and take back off01:38
ccheneythey should have a can of that stuff onboard ;-)01:39
lee_(I knew he was talking about time)01:39
ccheneyhttp://www.fixaflat.com/01:39
macohe?01:39
macoccheney: the tire blew01:39
maconot just deflated01:39
ccheneymaco: ah ok01:39
macolee_: he who?01:40
lee_wow, what happen? it ran over a 1 foot nail?01:40
macodunno01:40
lee_(maco)01:40
macohe me? me she.01:40
lee_ah, me sorry01:41
lee_me got confused01:41
macoheh01:41
ionshklee01:42
virtualdccheney: i read somewhere that some products like that have made tires explode because they used flammable gas01:42
lee_wow, what happen then someone droped a cigarrett on the tire that just "happen" to have a hole in ti01:43
lee_it*01:43
lee_I'd like to see the face on the pilot01:43
ccheneyvirtuald: ah maybe thats what they did then, fixaflat then it blew up ;-)01:44
virtuald:>01:44
ccheneymy flight seems to now be consistent getting to frankfurt at 2:51pm hopefully i can make it to BRU at 4:55 then01:44
ccheneywhich means boarding should be RSN01:45
lee_k01:46
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macohah yeah they're going to sit there for an hour and replace the tires01:51
ccheneylol01:51
ccheneywell thats better than having to rebook for tomorrow01:52
lee_o.o01:52
macocrimsun estimates itll actually take 2 because you know how airline estimates work01:52
lee_I would love to see the jack that had to pick that thing up01:52
ccheneybrb, going to find a flight board to see when my flight is really leaving01:52
* ccheney back02:02
ccheneyheh the desk claimed the 9:00 leave time was ambitious and likely wouldn't even start boarding until then02:03
ccheneyheh they bumped the time to 9:30 again02:04
ccheneyat least the plane is actually on the ground now so hopefully the time will stabilize02:04
ccheneyseems they like to update the estimate every few minutes, they seem to not really have any idea when it will leave02:13
anon^_^hi, I realize this question should probably be asked in #ubuntu, but it's of a more technical nature concerning the Ubuntu installer, and placement of grub on the MBR02:14
anon^_^in the final stages of the ubuntu installer, you're asked if you want to install grub to the MBR of the first device02:14
anon^_^What happens if the first device is not the install device?02:16
anon^_^I had an issue where Ubuntu recognized a hardware raid controller and built array as /dev/sda02:16
anon^_^and the OS install device as /dev/sdb02:17
anon^_^I'm trynig to find out if any damage was done to the raid array on /dev/sda (GPT)02:17
* ccheney see you guys at UDS, headed to my flight02:21
crimsunmaco: yeah, actually they deplaned us using the people movers, so we're all sitting around waiting to see if they can book 350 people onto another flight; otherwise, about four of us won't be at UDS on Monday03:38
macocrimsun: ick. i thought you said they were just changing the tire? (in which case i agree with whoever said theyd like to see the jack)03:39
crimsunmaco: the rear right of the four in the assembly on the right gear exploded and shredded two other tires03:39
macowow03:40
macohow the heck did you land?03:40
crimsunhappily?03:40
akgranerI was going to say less than smoothly03:40
macolet me rephrase: how are you still alive?03:40
macoi thought planes without landing gear acted like firesteel03:40
crimsunwell, a busted landing gear isn't going to knock out an entire plane, generally03:41
akgranercrimsun, that's awful!03:41
maco(or whatever you call those things you use to light a campfire ... or a torch)03:41
imbrandoncrimsun: ouch03:41
crimsuneh, plenty of bugs to fix in the meantime. :)03:41
maco(metal...rub hard...and it sparks? one of those)03:41
imbrandonhum , how long from the time a package is published until the buildd "see" it ?03:42
maco3-5 minutes?03:42
macooh wait published03:43
macoi was thinkig upload til it shows in the queue03:43
imbrandonoh no, its built and published to the universe pocket, but my other package is dep-wait on it still03:43
imbrandonhrm , actualy ...03:44
crimsunakgraner: did you have an opportunity to test the workaround on the macbook air?03:44
imbrandondoh, its in binary new, thats why :(03:44
akgranernope - my parents weren't comfortable doing the testing  - they are out on the west coast on vacation and they are using the MacAir atm - they don't share my passion in working on it :-(03:46
imbrandonanyone not in transit that can pop something outa bin-new for me ?03:46
crimsunakgraner: are they comfortable booting from a live cd/usb?03:49
imbrandoncrimsun: macbook-air != optical media, and mac's cant boot from usb03:50
imbrandonnot to speak for them though03:50
akgranercrimsun, no CD drive either03:51
macoakgraner: howd you get linux on it to start with?03:52
imbrandonmaco: you can use pxe or usb cdrom03:52
akgranermaco, I have an external drive03:52
macooh so usb works but not usb flash drive03:52
imbrandonright03:53
akgranerbut my parents didn't take it with them on vacation03:53
macomy laptops are like that. usb hard drive is fine, but no usb flash drive03:53
imbrandonwont boot of flash or hdd form usb, only firewire03:53
macooh now thats just evil03:53
nigelbabuthats unfriendly03:53
nigelbabuevil sums it up though ;)03:53
imbrandonhehe its how mac's have always been, the air is just the first without optical media03:53
imbrandonbuilt in03:54
macobut firewire enclosures cost like double what usb ones do03:54
nigelbabuthey must have a deal with fireware folks or the patent on it :/03:54
imbrandonheh but at the time the spec for their firmware was introduced there was only usb 1.0, much slower than firewire03:54
imbrandonnigelbabu: and yes iirc apple was a big part of the 1394 firewire spec03:55
nigelbabuimbrandon: aha, makes sense overall03:56
imbrandonfunny thing is if you have a retail 10.{2,3,4} ( not 5 or 6 ) dvd to boot from you can trick it to then chainload the usb drive, but at that point you have optical media03:57
imbrandonthe only time that helps is if you have an older osx installed on a drive that was later put into a usb enclosure and you REALLY want to boot to it03:57
imbrandoninstead of just reading the data or putting it in a firewire enclosure03:58
Sarvattcrimsun: wow, I was just saying earlier I wish I took the direct flight you were on too since i've been shuffled around 3 times now.. UA950?04:26
macocrimsun: so does that mean you're coming home or are you staying at the airport?05:08
YokoZarWelp, my plan to fly to Paris and train in instead didn't work either due to cancellation05:23
Sarvatt:(05:55
SarvattYokoZar: o'hare - paris got canceled?05:56
YokoZarSarvatt: Dallas->Paris got cancelled05:56
YokoZarSarvatt: how about you where are you at?05:56
Sarvattamerican airlines too?05:57
Sarvatti'm still booked for o'hare - brussels tomorrow05:57
Sarvattsame flight that got canceled today05:57
Sarvattwell yesterday now I guess :D05:58
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LucidFoxI wonder - I know that there is an intention to push the application indicators to GNOME, KDE and fd.o as a standard, but what about the messaging menu?10:36
ScottKslangasek: Thanks (boost-defaults)11:20
* cjwatson attempts an autosync for maverick to see what happens11:48
bigonpitti: hi could you please copy my smart-notifier upload to maverick?12:07
imbrandoncjwatson: good luck :)12:16
benhhi folks !12:54
benhif I find that a package doesn't work due to what seems to be a gcc miscompile12:54
benhshould I file a bug against the package or gcc ?12:54
benhie, cdebootstrap doesn't work on lucid x86_64 (hangs), and I seem to have tracked it down to gcc incorrectly removing a call to a function marked attribute((noreturn))12:55
benh(internal_di_exec never actually calls internal_di_exec_child when returning from fork with pid=0, removing the attribute fixes it)12:55
cjwatsonbenh: probably both ...12:57
cjwatson(one bug, two tasks)12:57
cjwatsonbenh: that said, why on earth are you using cdebootstrap? :-)12:57
benhcjwatson: making up a small debian nfs root for an embedded box I'm hacking on :-)13:06
benhcjwatson: ok, I'll file both then13:07
azeem14:06 < waldi> hmm13:07
cjwatsonbenh: debootstrap should work perfectly fine13:12
benhcjwatson: and yet it doesn't :-)13:13
benhcjwatson: lucid x86_6413:13
cjwatsonhow does debootstrap break?13:14
benhcjwatson: hangs as soon as it tries to fork/exec a child process (like wget)13:14
cjwatsonnote: debootstrap != cdebootstrap13:14
benhcjwatson: gets into an infinite poll() loop13:14
cjwatsonthat sounds like the bug you described above in cdebootstrap.  debootstrap is a different program.13:14
benhyeas, sorry, it's cdebootstrap13:14
benhyeah, used cdb bcs I'm used to ? :-)13:14
benhanyways13:14
benhthe problem seems to be a gcc bug which is more of a concern than just cdb not working13:15
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cjwatsonoh I agree, just saying debootstrap is generally better maintained AFAIK and I normally encourage people to use it instead13:15
benhI don't have time tonight to try to create a smaller repro-case, so I'm filing things as-is13:16
benhand we'll see if I get a chance to look further13:16
benhah yes, possibly, as I said, I used cdb out of a (bad) habit13:16
benhfor some reason I tend to use db for same arch bootstraps and cdb for "foreign" archs13:17
LucidFoxWhen filing SRUs, if I'm not a member of the SRU team, am I supposed to upload the package to -proposed myself, or attach a debdiff and let the SRU team do the upload?13:17
cjwatsonupload yourself13:18
azeembenh: db is just as good for foreign bootstraps as cdb these days AFAIK13:19
benhazeem: quite possibly, I'll use it next time13:19
benh:-)13:20
benhbut heh, at least that's one gcc bug found, always nice :-)13:20
benhcjwatson: btw, OT, but should I use arm or armel nowadays ?13:23
benhcjwatson: for --arch that is13:23
benhcjwatson: or there's no difference anymore ?13:23
benhcjwatson: it's just a little d-link NAS box I'm fixing the kernel (vendor one is shit and upstream doesn't quite deal with the latest HW rev so I'm fixing it)13:24
cjwatsonbenh: I don't think the arm architecture exists any more in Debian13:31
Laneyyay for autosync15:20
cjwatsonpitti: the autosync flush is in the middle of 'p'16:51
roaksoaxSarvatt: ping?16:56
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cjwatsonslangasek: is bug 576717 a winbind bug?  I can't quite make out from the stacktrace who corrupted memory17:15
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: list index out of range (https://launchpad.net/bugs/576717)17:15
bdrungimbrandon: you were to fast with syncing xmms2.18:44
bdrungi wanted xmms2 for working on the syncpackage script ;)18:44
imbrandonbdrung: lol sorry, i was bored last night so i did some syncs/merges19:29
bdrungimbrandon: i was astonished why the package was newer than i thought.19:31
bdrungit doesn't happen often that someone else does my work ;)19:31
mannyvanyone know what package provides the partitioner on the install cd?20:05
Laneybdrung: I have a sync if you want to test your script on it20:21
bdrungLaney: yes20:21
Laneybdrung: magic-haskell20:21
Laneyyou should test build it first though20:22
imbrandonbdrung: btw are you making the one in the u-d-t source use anon api ?20:22
bdrungimbrandon: i'am tweaking syncpackage in the u-d-t package. anon api?20:23
imbrandonbdrung: right now it requires lp-credentials, it shouldent20:23
imbrandonimho20:23
bdrungi am using getDebianSrcPkg, getUbuntuSrcPkg from ubuntutools.requestsync.lp20:23
bdrungand this:20:24
bdrunglaunchpad = get_launchpad("ubuntu-dev-tools")20:24
bdrungoptions.release = launchpad.distributions["ubuntu"].current_series.name20:24
bdrungimbrandon: we probably have to tweak it20:24
imbrandon:)20:24
imbrandonyea i fell back to the old one pitti made and ScottK patched for the moment20:24
imbrandone.g. the madison way20:25
Viper550artwork channel is dead right now it seems20:46
hyperairthere's an artwork channel?20:47
hyperairi never knew20:47
Viper550yea, #ubuntu-artwork20:48
hyperair=O20:48
hyperairthere's still quite a number of people in the channel.20:49
Viper550yeah, they're not saying much though20:49
imbrandonits monthers day in the US and the day before UDS, gonna be quite everywhere20:50
JanCit's mother's day over here too20:50
imbrandonahh20:51
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ccheneyslangasek: if the crash in impress is immediate i don't see it on my machine with compiz21:13
ccheneyslangasek: i may need a document to test with21:13
* ccheney headed to bed, need more sleep21:22
cjwatsonOK, first autosync pass done21:25
cjwatsonmerges.ubuntu.com should catch up in a bit - currently unpacking something in the middle of r21:25
cjwatson(assuming it doesn't run out of disk, but looks like it should make it)21:26
imbrandonawesom21:34
Viper550the Lubuntu project could use some help21:37
Aquinawhat help?21:38
Viper550I made a proposal to have a GTK-based user manager coded for LXDE, one that doesn't have any dependencies on gnome libraries21:38
Viper550https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lxde/+spec/user-manager21:41
Aquinaill chck that, Viper21:59
crypt-0what would be the most simple way to compile a kernel module into an installer CD (the server install CD does not have XTS)23:56

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