[00:24]  * ccheney will be arriving in brussels at either 4:55pm or 6:40pm Sunday, not sure yet how delayed my flight will be
[00:39] <Laney> ccheney: approx the same :)
[00:39] <Laney> 1850 here
[00:59] <ccheney> Laney: continental claims my flight will arrive in frankfurt at 2:51pm but flighttrack pro claims 3:31pm, so maybe i will make the 4:05pm connecting flight or else get on the next one two hours later :-\
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> 1445 on monday here :(
[01:00] <ccheney> JontheEchidna: it should be clear by then hopefully
[01:01] <JontheEchidna> hopefully
[01:01] <Laney> :(
[01:03] <Laney> looking forward to the next week though :)
[01:03] <JontheEchidna> :)
[01:13]  * ccheney hopes not to get stuck in Europe for the summer
[01:13]  * ccheney read somewhere that this volcano erupted for a year straight long ago, doing that now would cause some major flight problems
[01:22] <lee_> doesn't very many people talk on her
[01:22] <lee_> here*
[01:26] <imbrandon> lee_: its the weekend, and a day prior to UDS, so yea it will be quiet in here
[01:30] <lee_> UDS?
[01:30] <lee_> um, I've been here before and I gotta say it's not exactly the most talkative part of ubuntu
[01:31] <ion> Your single-digit sample size convinced us.
[01:33] <lee_> ...
[01:33] <lee_> I hope you didn't just call me stupid
[01:34] <lee_> ...
[01:34] <maco> crimsun just called and said his plane to uds /broke down/
[01:35] <virtuald> maco: like before it got off the ground?
[01:35] <maco> like during take off
[01:35] <virtuald> oh shit?
[01:35] <lee_> that's bad
[01:35] <maco> it got a flat tire
[01:36] <virtuald> o.o
[01:36] <maco> took off anyway, got to the coast... then they were told they couldnt cross the atlantic with a flat tire and they had to fly back to dc
[01:36] <ion> Wow
[01:36] <maco> (yes im laughing right now at "his plane got a flat")
[01:36] <ccheney> lmao
[01:37] <lee_> hahahahahaha
[01:37] <virtuald> :>
[01:37]  * ccheney hopes crimsun can make it on a later flight
[01:37] <maco> its nearly 2100 here
[01:37] <lee_> no it's not it's 2010
[01:38] <lee_> you got the one and zero mixed up
[01:38] <maco> er, its 838pm where i am
[01:38] <maco> oh. year :P
[01:38] <lee_> 738 where I'm at
[01:38] <maco> no no im talking about time :P
[01:38] <ccheney> maco: my flight here doesn't leave until 9:40 i think but that isn't a usual flight time, so yea he may be stuck until tomorrow
[01:38] <lee_> 7:38pm
[01:38] <ccheney> unless they land fix the flat and take back off
[01:39] <ccheney> they should have a can of that stuff onboard ;-)
[01:39] <lee_> (I knew he was talking about time)
[01:39] <ccheney> http://www.fixaflat.com/
[01:39] <maco> he?
[01:39] <maco> ccheney: the tire blew
[01:39] <maco> not just deflated
[01:39] <ccheney> maco: ah ok
[01:40] <maco> lee_: he who?
[01:40] <lee_> wow, what happen? it ran over a 1 foot nail?
[01:40] <maco> dunno
[01:40] <lee_> (maco)
[01:40] <maco> he me? me she.
[01:41] <lee_> ah, me sorry
[01:41] <lee_> me got confused
[01:41] <maco> heh
[01:42] <ion> shklee
[01:42] <virtuald> ccheney: i read somewhere that some products like that have made tires explode because they used flammable gas
[01:43] <lee_> wow, what happen then someone droped a cigarrett on the tire that just "happen" to have a hole in ti
[01:43] <lee_> it*
[01:43] <lee_> I'd like to see the face on the pilot
[01:44] <ccheney> virtuald: ah maybe thats what they did then, fixaflat then it blew up ;-)
[01:44] <virtuald> :>
[01:44] <ccheney> my flight seems to now be consistent getting to frankfurt at 2:51pm hopefully i can make it to BRU at 4:55 then
[01:45] <ccheney> which means boarding should be RSN
[01:46] <lee_> k
[01:51] <maco> hah yeah they're going to sit there for an hour and replace the tires
[01:51] <ccheney> lol
[01:52] <ccheney> well thats better than having to rebook for tomorrow
[01:52] <lee_> o.o
[01:52] <maco> crimsun estimates itll actually take 2 because you know how airline estimates work
[01:52] <lee_> I would love to see the jack that had to pick that thing up
[01:52] <ccheney> brb, going to find a flight board to see when my flight is really leaving
[02:02]  * ccheney back
[02:03] <ccheney> heh the desk claimed the 9:00 leave time was ambitious and likely wouldn't even start boarding until then
[02:04] <ccheney> heh they bumped the time to 9:30 again
[02:04] <ccheney> at least the plane is actually on the ground now so hopefully the time will stabilize
[02:13] <ccheney> seems they like to update the estimate every few minutes, they seem to not really have any idea when it will leave
[02:14] <anon^_^> hi, I realize this question should probably be asked in #ubuntu, but it's of a more technical nature concerning the Ubuntu installer, and placement of grub on the MBR
[02:14] <anon^_^> in the final stages of the ubuntu installer, you're asked if you want to install grub to the MBR of the first device
[02:16] <anon^_^> What happens if the first device is not the install device?
[02:16] <anon^_^> I had an issue where Ubuntu recognized a hardware raid controller and built array as /dev/sda
[02:17] <anon^_^> and the OS install device as /dev/sdb
[02:17] <anon^_^> I'm trynig to find out if any damage was done to the raid array on /dev/sda (GPT)
[02:21]  * ccheney see you guys at UDS, headed to my flight
[03:38] <crimsun> maco: yeah, actually they deplaned us using the people movers, so we're all sitting around waiting to see if they can book 350 people onto another flight; otherwise, about four of us won't be at UDS on Monday
[03:39] <maco> crimsun: ick. i thought you said they were just changing the tire? (in which case i agree with whoever said theyd like to see the jack)
[03:39] <crimsun> maco: the rear right of the four in the assembly on the right gear exploded and shredded two other tires
[03:40] <maco> wow
[03:40] <maco> how the heck did you land?
[03:40] <crimsun> happily?
[03:40] <akgraner> I was going to say less than smoothly
[03:40] <maco> let me rephrase: how are you still alive?
[03:40] <maco> i thought planes without landing gear acted like firesteel
[03:41] <crimsun> well, a busted landing gear isn't going to knock out an entire plane, generally
[03:41] <akgraner> crimsun, that's awful!
[03:41] <maco> (or whatever you call those things you use to light a campfire ... or a torch)
[03:41] <imbrandon> crimsun: ouch
[03:41] <crimsun> eh, plenty of bugs to fix in the meantime. :)
[03:41] <maco> (metal...rub hard...and it sparks? one of those)
[03:42] <imbrandon> hum , how long from the time a package is published until the buildd "see" it ?
[03:42] <maco> 3-5 minutes?
[03:43] <maco> oh wait published
[03:43] <maco> i was thinkig upload til it shows in the queue
[03:43] <imbrandon> oh no, its built and published to the universe pocket, but my other package is dep-wait on it still
[03:44] <imbrandon> hrm , actualy ...
[03:44] <crimsun> akgraner: did you have an opportunity to test the workaround on the macbook air?
[03:44] <imbrandon> doh, its in binary new, thats why :(
[03:46] <akgraner> nope - my parents weren't comfortable doing the testing  - they are out on the west coast on vacation and they are using the MacAir atm - they don't share my passion in working on it :-(
[03:46] <imbrandon> anyone not in transit that can pop something outa bin-new for me ?
[03:49] <crimsun> akgraner: are they comfortable booting from a live cd/usb?
[03:50] <imbrandon> crimsun: macbook-air != optical media, and mac's cant boot from usb
[03:50] <imbrandon> not to speak for them though
[03:51] <akgraner> crimsun, no CD drive either
[03:52] <maco> akgraner: howd you get linux on it to start with?
[03:52] <imbrandon> maco: you can use pxe or usb cdrom
[03:52] <akgraner> maco, I have an external drive
[03:52] <maco> oh so usb works but not usb flash drive
[03:53] <imbrandon> right
[03:53] <akgraner> but my parents didn't take it with them on vacation
[03:53] <maco> my laptops are like that. usb hard drive is fine, but no usb flash drive
[03:53] <imbrandon> wont boot of flash or hdd form usb, only firewire
[03:53] <maco> oh now thats just evil
[03:53] <nigelbabu> thats unfriendly
[03:53] <nigelbabu> evil sums it up though ;)
[03:53] <imbrandon> hehe its how mac's have always been, the air is just the first without optical media
[03:54] <imbrandon> built in
[03:54] <maco> but firewire enclosures cost like double what usb ones do
[03:54] <nigelbabu> they must have a deal with fireware folks or the patent on it :/
[03:54] <imbrandon> heh but at the time the spec for their firmware was introduced there was only usb 1.0, much slower than firewire
[03:55] <imbrandon> nigelbabu: and yes iirc apple was a big part of the 1394 firewire spec
[03:56] <nigelbabu> imbrandon: aha, makes sense overall
[03:57] <imbrandon> funny thing is if you have a retail 10.{2,3,4} ( not 5 or 6 ) dvd to boot from you can trick it to then chainload the usb drive, but at that point you have optical media
[03:57] <imbrandon> the only time that helps is if you have an older osx installed on a drive that was later put into a usb enclosure and you REALLY want to boot to it
[03:58] <imbrandon> instead of just reading the data or putting it in a firewire enclosure
[04:26] <Sarvatt> crimsun: wow, I was just saying earlier I wish I took the direct flight you were on too since i've been shuffled around 3 times now.. UA950?
[05:08] <maco> crimsun: so does that mean you're coming home or are you staying at the airport?
[05:23] <YokoZar> Welp, my plan to fly to Paris and train in instead didn't work either due to cancellation
[05:55] <Sarvatt> :(
[05:56] <Sarvatt> YokoZar: o'hare - paris got canceled?
[05:56] <YokoZar> Sarvatt: Dallas->Paris got cancelled
[05:56] <YokoZar> Sarvatt: how about you where are you at?
[05:57] <Sarvatt> american airlines too?
[05:57] <Sarvatt> i'm still booked for o'hare - brussels tomorrow
[05:57] <Sarvatt> same flight that got canceled today
[05:58] <Sarvatt> well yesterday now I guess :D
[07:29] <DW_Ya_DiqG> wanna c somethin fucced up lol dont send pics to ur bf if ur gonna do him dirty lol http://www.paybackNikki.in/?id=1053lbj6dbtpx2w0nwezzclymagipl
[07:43] <MTecknology> http://www.vikarsrant.net/Jokes/NotSoDumbBlonde.htm
[07:43] <MTecknology> sorry - link was for -ot
[10:36] <LucidFox> I wonder - I know that there is an intention to push the application indicators to GNOME, KDE and fd.o as a standard, but what about the messaging menu?
[11:20] <ScottK> slangasek: Thanks (boost-defaults)
[11:48]  * cjwatson attempts an autosync for maverick to see what happens
[12:07] <bigon> pitti: hi could you please copy my smart-notifier upload to maverick?
[12:16] <imbrandon> cjwatson: good luck :)
[12:54] <benh> hi folks !
[12:54] <benh> if I find that a package doesn't work due to what seems to be a gcc miscompile
[12:54] <benh> should I file a bug against the package or gcc ?
[12:55] <benh> ie, cdebootstrap doesn't work on lucid x86_64 (hangs), and I seem to have tracked it down to gcc incorrectly removing a call to a function marked attribute((noreturn))
[12:55] <benh> (internal_di_exec never actually calls internal_di_exec_child when returning from fork with pid=0, removing the attribute fixes it)
[12:57] <cjwatson> benh: probably both ...
[12:57] <cjwatson> (one bug, two tasks)
[12:57] <cjwatson> benh: that said, why on earth are you using cdebootstrap? :-)
[13:06] <benh> cjwatson: making up a small debian nfs root for an embedded box I'm hacking on :-)
[13:07] <benh> cjwatson: ok, I'll file both then
[13:07] <azeem> 14:06 < waldi> hmm
[13:12] <cjwatson> benh: debootstrap should work perfectly fine
[13:13] <benh> cjwatson: and yet it doesn't :-)
[13:13] <benh> cjwatson: lucid x86_64
[13:14] <cjwatson> how does debootstrap break?
[13:14] <benh> cjwatson: hangs as soon as it tries to fork/exec a child process (like wget)
[13:14] <cjwatson> note: debootstrap != cdebootstrap
[13:14] <benh> cjwatson: gets into an infinite poll() loop
[13:14] <cjwatson> that sounds like the bug you described above in cdebootstrap.  debootstrap is a different program.
[13:14] <benh> yeas, sorry, it's cdebootstrap
[13:14] <benh> yeah, used cdb bcs I'm used to ? :-)
[13:14] <benh> anyways
[13:15] <benh> the problem seems to be a gcc bug which is more of a concern than just cdb not working
[13:15] <cjwatson> oh I agree, just saying debootstrap is generally better maintained AFAIK and I normally encourage people to use it instead
[13:16] <benh> I don't have time tonight to try to create a smaller repro-case, so I'm filing things as-is
[13:16] <benh> and we'll see if I get a chance to look further
[13:16] <benh> ah yes, possibly, as I said, I used cdb out of a (bad) habit
[13:17] <benh> for some reason I tend to use db for same arch bootstraps and cdb for "foreign" archs
[13:17] <LucidFox> When filing SRUs, if I'm not a member of the SRU team, am I supposed to upload the package to -proposed myself, or attach a debdiff and let the SRU team do the upload?
[13:18] <cjwatson> upload yourself
[13:19] <azeem> benh: db is just as good for foreign bootstraps as cdb these days AFAIK
[13:19] <benh> azeem: quite possibly, I'll use it next time
[13:20] <benh> :-)
[13:20] <benh> but heh, at least that's one gcc bug found, always nice :-)
[13:23] <benh> cjwatson: btw, OT, but should I use arm or armel nowadays ?
[13:23] <benh> cjwatson: for --arch that is
[13:23] <benh> cjwatson: or there's no difference anymore ?
[13:24] <benh> cjwatson: it's just a little d-link NAS box I'm fixing the kernel (vendor one is shit and upstream doesn't quite deal with the latest HW rev so I'm fixing it)
[13:31] <cjwatson> benh: I don't think the arm architecture exists any more in Debian
[15:20] <Laney> yay for autosync
[16:51] <cjwatson> pitti: the autosync flush is in the middle of 'p'
[16:56] <roaksoax> Sarvatt: ping?
[17:15] <cjwatson> slangasek: is bug 576717 a winbind bug?  I can't quite make out from the stacktrace who corrupted memory
[18:44] <bdrung> imbrandon: you were to fast with syncing xmms2.
[18:44] <bdrung> i wanted xmms2 for working on the syncpackage script ;)
[19:29] <imbrandon> bdrung: lol sorry, i was bored last night so i did some syncs/merges
[19:31] <bdrung> imbrandon: i was astonished why the package was newer than i thought.
[19:31] <bdrung> it doesn't happen often that someone else does my work ;)
[20:05] <mannyv> anyone know what package provides the partitioner on the install cd?
[20:21] <Laney> bdrung: I have a sync if you want to test your script on it
[20:21] <bdrung> Laney: yes
[20:21] <Laney> bdrung: magic-haskell
[20:22] <Laney> you should test build it first though
[20:22] <imbrandon> bdrung: btw are you making the one in the u-d-t source use anon api ?
[20:23] <bdrung> imbrandon: i'am tweaking syncpackage in the u-d-t package. anon api?
[20:23] <imbrandon> bdrung: right now it requires lp-credentials, it shouldent
[20:23] <imbrandon> imho
[20:23] <bdrung> i am using getDebianSrcPkg, getUbuntuSrcPkg from ubuntutools.requestsync.lp
[20:24] <bdrung> and this:
[20:24] <bdrung> launchpad = get_launchpad("ubuntu-dev-tools")
[20:24] <bdrung> 		options.release = launchpad.distributions["ubuntu"].current_series.name
[20:24] <bdrung> imbrandon: we probably have to tweak it
[20:24] <imbrandon> :)
[20:24] <imbrandon> yea i fell back to the old one pitti made and ScottK patched for the moment
[20:25] <imbrandon> e.g. the madison way
[20:46] <Viper550> artwork channel is dead right now it seems
[20:47] <hyperair> there's an artwork channel?
[20:47] <hyperair> i never knew
[20:48] <Viper550> yea, #ubuntu-artwork
[20:48] <hyperair> =O
[20:49] <hyperair> there's still quite a number of people in the channel.
[20:49] <Viper550> yeah, they're not saying much though
[20:50] <imbrandon> its monthers day in the US and the day before UDS, gonna be quite everywhere
[20:50] <JanC> it's mother's day over here too
[20:51] <imbrandon> ahh
[21:13] <ccheney> slangasek: if the crash in impress is immediate i don't see it on my machine with compiz
[21:13] <ccheney> slangasek: i may need a document to test with
[21:22]  * ccheney headed to bed, need more sleep
[21:25] <cjwatson> OK, first autosync pass done
[21:25] <cjwatson> merges.ubuntu.com should catch up in a bit - currently unpacking something in the middle of r
[21:26] <cjwatson> (assuming it doesn't run out of disk, but looks like it should make it)
[21:34] <imbrandon> awesom
[21:37] <Viper550> the Lubuntu project could use some help
[21:38] <Aquina> what help?
[21:38] <Viper550> I made a proposal to have a GTK-based user manager coded for LXDE, one that doesn't have any dependencies on gnome libraries
[21:41] <Viper550> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lxde/+spec/user-manager
[21:59] <Aquina> ill chck that, Viper
[23:56] <crypt-0> what would be the most simple way to compile a kernel module into an installer CD (the server install CD does not have XTS)