[00:13] <timrl> Im on KUbuntu 10.04 (Lucid Lynx). When i right click on the KNetWorkManager icon in the system tray i dont find an option for "Connect to other networks"
[00:14] <timrl> the only options i have are 1. Auto eth0 (active) 2. Enable wirless (this is checked) 3. Manage Connections
[00:14] <timrl> what could be the problem ?
[00:15] <timrl> im currently connected over a wired connection
[00:16] <timrl> the icon on which i right click looks like a grey plug with a green header
[00:16] <timrl> is it KNetworkManager ?
[00:51] <Byron> I'm trying to get the desktop effects working on my desktop, but every time I try to resume compositing, it tells me that "Another application suspended desktop effects". Is there a way of finding out the other application that is doing this?
[00:54] <bdizzle__> crap, I just installed lucid and now its not going for the password, wtf
[01:13] <rob0917> I'd like to see a package manager more like ubuntu software center in kubuntu
[01:14] <rob0917> even synaptic would be better than kpackagekit
[01:19] <mase_wk> rob0917: yeh i think alot of people would , so far no one has made one .
[01:20] <mase_wk> rob0917: you can use software center with kde though
[01:21] <Byron> How do I update GRUB2?
[01:22] <rob0917> you can install it? right?
[01:22] <Byron> the grub.cfg file will not update the kernel
[01:22] <mase_wk> update-grub
[01:22] <Byron> mase_wk: Just did that and it didn't update
[01:22] <mase_wk> Byron: what did you change and where did you change it ?
[01:23] <Byron> It is only reporting 2.6.31-14 and I have a 2.6.32-22 (or something similar) that should have been added.
[01:24] <bdizzle__> okay, so I kinda got it working
[01:25] <bdizzle__> I get the following error:
[01:25] <bdizzle__> An error occurred while accessing 87.5 GiB Hard Drive', the system responded: QInotifyFileSystemWatcherEngine::addPaths:inotify_add_watch_failed: No such file or directory
[01:25] <bdizzle__> QFileSystemWatcher: failed to add paths:
[01:25] <bdizzle__> /home/bdizzle/.config/ibus/bus
[01:25] <bdizzle__> Bus::open: Can not get ibus-daemon's address
[01:25] <bdizzle__> IBusInputContext::createInputContext: no connection to ibus-daemon
[01:25] <FloodBotK3> bdizzle__: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:25] <obert> uhmm snv
[01:26] <bdizzle__> srry about that
[01:27] <bdizzle__> okay, so after working with bawww for a while (he's since logged off), I was able to get kubuntu onto a working drive and partition and have partial access to the slave drive
[01:27] <bdizzle__> issue is that I am getting this error for two of the partitions:
[01:27] <bdizzle__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/430812/
[01:28] <obert> tsk ubuntu is a drug.
[01:29] <obert> (first day for me)
[01:30] <quebecliberated>  I wanna find a website for listening streamingg movie... how can I do?
[01:30] <quebecliberated> ''les sept jours du talion''
[01:31] <quebecliberated> in french...
[01:32] <quebecliberated>  I wanna find a website for listening streamingg movie... how can I do?
[01:32] <bdizzle__> google?
[01:32] <quebecliberated> tough.....it's so much bad result
[01:33] <quebecliberated> results*
[01:33] <quebecliberated> I knowed a website with delymotion but it's break the movie after 72 minutes...
[01:36] <Barridus> what java jre "should" i be using?  i notice the sun java 6 package is dependant on gnome-keyring
[01:50] <PeterDrop> hi, is there a psd viewer?
[01:51] <borden> hi , can someone give me the link to ubuntu-server channel ?
[01:52] <sidHart> Iubuntu-server | borden
[01:53] <sidHart> !ubuntu-server
[01:53] <sidHart> borden: see above
[01:53] <borden> okay , thank you !
[02:08] <bdizzle__> is there a way to correct a partition table on a drive without trashing the data?
[02:11] <mase_wk> bdizzle__: something like partedmagic or gparted will do it
[02:11] <mase_wk> reboot
[02:11] <bdizzle__> ok
[02:11] <mase_wk> before doing anything do a forced fsck of your existing partitions
[02:14] <bdizzle__> okay
[02:22] <borden> hi , is there any workaround for this bug on launchpad? : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-dfsg-5.1/+bug/566736
[02:40] <Grillost> Hello for all!
[02:44] <Grillost> When I start session, my Kubuntu request kwallet password, this is normal, but after the distro upgrade its request also kdesudo password 2 times. This device request your password, is the message, anyone can help me to remove this password popups?
[02:44] <K350> Does anyone know how to autolaunch a perlscript placed in .kde/Autostart in konsole?
[03:13] <txwikinger> K350: perl <scriptname>
[03:27] <bdizzle> err, what is busybox and how did I get to it just by trying to boot?
[03:35] <ytoox> i got a microsoft camera with an integrated microphone that's not working
[03:35] <moderndayzero> quick question. anyone know how to make an install disc or an ISO of your current os after it is all configured how you want it?
[03:36] <ytoox> the webcam is fine but the integrate mic is not working. Where do I start to fix this
[03:36] <ytoox> ?
[03:36] <ForgeAus> the reviews on Lucid (specifically Kubuntu in comparison with Ubuntu) are pretty harsh about package management, no Gwibble? app (they obviously missed Choqok), theming, and no GIMP alternative...
[03:37] <bawww> ForgeAus: where is this review from?
[03:38] <ForgeAus> desktop linux reviews...
[03:38] <ForgeAus> (you can find a link on distrowatch)
[03:39] <ForgeAus> (oh I forgot to mention no Ubuntu One)
[03:40] <bawww> first comment: "
[03:40] <bawww> I could be wrong, but I believe Kubuntu is completely a community project and other than the logo and the repos, the project is not driven by Canonical at all.
[03:40] <bawww> Read more: http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2010/05/03/kubuntu-linux-10-04-lts-lucid-lynx/#ixzz0nUTS5Rd7
[03:40] <ForgeAus> my view is more that Ubuntu has gone OSX-Leopard-alike with its Gnome-do being an obvious ripoff of Quicksilver, the desktop background, and a few other touches, its like Ubuntu is the latest Leopard? lol
[03:40] <ytoox> anyone can help e with my problem?
[03:41] <ForgeAus> whats up ytoox?
[03:41] <ytoox> I am trying to figure out why my webcam's integrated mic does not work on ubuntu
[03:41] <bawww> ForgeAus: pretty much
[03:41] <bawww> ForgeAus: Kubuntu has better direction, it's uniquely progressive
[03:42] <bawww> I mean what's the future of Ubuntu, Gnome Shell?
[03:42] <bawww> give me a break
[03:42] <ytoox> gnome shell is a mistake
[03:43] <ytoox> that's more like a developer sort of program not user friendly
[03:43] <ForgeAus> ytoox uh great question, wish I knew, you have tried volume?
[03:43] <ytoox> ForgeAus: yes
[03:43] <DarthFrog> bawww: You've got to be kidding.  What is Kubuntu Lucid but generic KDE 4.4?  None of the Ubuntu specialisations are present.
[03:43] <ytoox> is there a dedicated webcam irc chat?
[03:44] <bawww> DarthFrog: what specializations ?
[03:44] <DarthFrog> I use Kubuntu because I like KDE and I like deb packages.
[03:44] <bawww> Ubuntu One music store?
[03:44] <bawww> purple color
[03:44] <DarthFrog> bawww: That's one.  No "Me Menu".
[03:44] <bawww> and glitter?
[03:44] <ForgeAus> ytoox I doubt it, webcams are mostly different hardware (that does the same function)
[03:45] <bawww> ytoox: try alsamixer
[03:45] <ForgeAus> ytoox unless someone else knows here all I can suggest is that google is your friend
[03:45] <bawww> see if any volumes are muted
[03:45] <bawww> DarthFrog: of course KDE is the backbone of Kubuntu
[03:46] <DarthFrog> bawww: You might say it's the defining feature. :-)
[03:46] <ytoox> baww: yeah I did, but its a microsoft usb webcam
[03:46] <ForgeAus> baww Kubuntu is by far the best integrated KDE desktop I've seen yet
[03:46] <ytoox> video works right but no microphone
[03:46] <DarthFrog> bawww: But there's nothing special about the Kubuntu version of KDE.  Other than the underlying Ubuntu repos.
[03:46] <ForgeAus> it uses pretty much no GTK apps (with the possible exception of Firefox)
[03:46] <ytoox> baww: you havent seen opensuse yet
[03:46] <bawww> well repos are important apt is important
[03:47] <bawww> and kde is very important
[03:47] <DarthFrog> bawww: Agreed. I love the repos and apt.  But you don't even need X running for those.
[03:47] <claydoh> one review is not the same as 'the reviews on Lucid' ;)
[03:47] <DarthFrog> Never mind KDE.
[03:48] <ForgeAus> good point claydoh
[03:48] <bawww> DarthFrog: DE ties everything together
[03:48] <ForgeAus> and it does start out very positive...
[03:48] <ForgeAus> I think its a matter of bad timing in some cases
[03:48] <ForgeAus> like the GIMP alternative is likely to be one of the KOffice gfx apps...
[03:49] <ForgeAus> which isn't really "there" yet... in KDE4 anyway... afaik
[03:49] <bawww> ForgeAus: I don't know if Kubuntu is the best KDE distro
[03:49] <bdizzle_> bawww, I know some of the data is still there at least
[03:49] <bdizzle_> but I'm pretty sure the drive is corrupt and I have to wait until I can get an external drive to transfer things, assuming I can get it up
[03:49] <ForgeAus> and social networking is relatively new for clients, as well as Ubuntu One being in beta itself...
[03:49] <claydoh> Kubuntu never had a default image editor, ever
[03:49] <bawww> ForgeAus: Lucid has really good improvements, the Firefox integration was much needed
[03:50] <ForgeAus> so many of those points weren't fair in that view
[03:50] <ForgeAus> claydoh: true
[03:50] <bawww> Krita isn't that bad of an image editor.
[03:50] <bawww> i've been using it on and off
[03:50] <ForgeAus> Krita is there by default
[03:50] <ForgeAus> ?
[03:50] <claydoh> gwenview/digikam's plugins do well for basic stuff
[03:50] <bawww> there are other applications that Kubuntu repos have, that make Kubuntu worth it like Kdenlive
[03:51] <claydoh> no, krita is not there by default
[03:51] <bawww> Krita, I don't think so. it's part of koffice
[03:51] <ForgeAus> I know Krita is part of Koffice
[03:52] <bawww> there are some other distros that come on KDE pretty heavy
[03:57] <ruben> hi all
[03:57] <ruben> having issues with launching kpackage
[03:58] <Guest59298> i've been trying to launch it and in the 'software management' tab, instead of showing me the search bar to search for software, it says 'this configuration section is already opened in kde control module'
[03:59] <Guest59298> what exactly does that mean?
[03:59] <moderndayzero> on karmic wasnt there a preinstalled program that allowed you to make a backup iso of your OS?
[03:59] <maco> moderndayzero: not from us
[04:00] <maco> dell put that on their machines, but we've never included anything like that
[04:08] <ForgeAus> ruben which version of Kubuntu do you have
[04:08] <ForgeAus> perhaps your looking for kpackagekit
[04:32] <devin> what version of kde is kubuntu 10.04 using?
[04:38] <Byron> Anyone on 10.04 with nVidia driver: How did you enable 3d rendering?
[04:38] <bawww> devin: you can update to the latest stable release
[04:41] <fyn> i mostly like grub2, but then i thought i'd make a backup copy of my partition before upgrading to lucid.  except, oops, forgot to change the uuid.  kinda messy:)   ended up that i upgraded the backup.  that worked.  so i copied it back to my ssd (again with gparted) and this time i set the uuid of the copy and also changed the /etc/fstab to mount that new UUID at /.   update-grub; grub-install now puts entries for both partitions.  but when i go to the new one 
[04:43] <fyn> tl;dr ... i try again!  gparted copied a lucid install.  booted a livecd to change uuid for partition and update its fstab to match.  booted old install to update-grub; grub-install so the new one gets detected.  select the new one from the menu, but it winds up with the old partition as / when booted.  wtf?
[04:44] <Byron> !grub | fyn
[04:44] <fyn> i read the ubuntu wiki grub2 page extensively.
[04:44] <Byron> fyn: Go through the livecd install without formatting any of the partitions. That will get you GRUB installed where you want
[04:44] <fyn> i don't know what you're saying?
[04:45] <fyn> boot the livecd and tell it to install over the partition?
[04:47] <fyn> your advice is scary and even if it works, does not help me understand why changing the uuid and fstab was insufficient.  does anyone else know what else update-grub or etc/grub.d/10_linux is keying on that's causing it to make seperate entries for sda3 and sdc6 but still boot into sdc6 when selecting the sda3 menu entry even though sda3 has a different uuid listed in blkid and when i mount it and check the fstab, yep, that's the uuid i'm mounting to /
[04:48] <Byron> fyn: No. Do NOT install/format the partitions
[04:49] <Byron> If you go through a typical install without any formatting or installing, you're only going to set the GRUB menu
[04:49] <Byron> Follow the instructions outlined in the URL provided to you.
[04:52] <daweed> hello
[04:53] <bawww> hi
[04:54] <ForgeAus> hmm..
[04:54] <daweed> what is Qt 4.6
[04:54] <daweed> ?
[04:55] <daweed> what s for?
[04:55] <ForgeAus> Qt is the toolkit
[04:55] <ForgeAus> that KDE is based on
[04:55] <daweed> tool kit for what?
[04:55] <ForgeAus> ie the widgets you see in your dialog boxes are provided by Qt...
[04:55] <daweed> yes im using ubuntu
[04:55] <ForgeAus> (or something like that)
[04:55] <ForgeAus> ubuntu? ubuntu is gnome, kubuntu is kde
[04:55] <ForgeAus> (gnome uses GTK+ instead of Qt)
[04:56] <daweed> sorry kubuntu
[04:56] <daweed> how can i know if my kubuntu have qt?
[04:57] <DarthFrog> daweed: KDE is based upon Qt.
[04:57] <mase_wk> daweed: it can't not have Qt :)
[04:57] <DarthFrog> Qt provides the buttons, window decorations, etc.
[04:57] <daweed> DarthFrog:  mase_wk ok tnks
[04:57] <fyn> Byron: that guide also uses grub-install and update-grub2 (the man page of which says it's a stub for the update-grub) that i'm using.  so it does not help me understand why that is not working for me as it is essentially the same procedure.  you're saying that running it from the livecd will work differently than from the installed copy, why?   please help me understand, if you know?
[04:59] <daweed> do you know how can i fix the bug +bug/476853 cuz ive reed the page but im looking for a software patch or a code to try in the command line
[05:00] <daweed> i cant install anything from getdeb
[05:00] <bawww> why does Kubuntu need the Message Indicator applet, can't the applications just use KDE's
[05:00] <Byron> fyn: I don't know for a fact how it works. There are instructions on the RestoreGrub URL which will walk you through the process so that you do not lose any content, however, you can restore GRUB2. If you want to give it a go, you can manually try to set it up through a LiveCD manipulation of your HDD. On a similar note, you can try your luck with SGD, but I don't think it works well, if at all, with GRUB2.
[05:00] <ForgeAus> heh getdeb? hmm  linux mint does that by default
[05:00] <daweed> not even with firefox and nighter with konqueror
[05:01] <ForgeAus> neither firefox nor konqueror are installers
[05:01] <daweed> ForgeAus: is the mint version better than kubuntu?
[05:01] <ForgeAus> as with most things about Linux "better" is a matter of opinion
[05:02] <fyn> Byron: I have grub2 installed via those scripts, it's just getting confused by two copies of the same partition, one on my ssd, one one my hd.  I changed the uuid but that made those scripts create a weird grub2 menu where it *looks* like it has an entry for both, but when you use the ssd entry, it still winds up booting the install on the hd.
[05:02] <ForgeAus> mint is based on Kubuntu anyway
[05:02] <fyn> Byron: Thanks though!  The wiki tutorials are quite good and cover most normal situations, I'm just too cautions for making a backup and am apparently being punished for it :)
[05:03] <Byron> fyn: best of luck to you
[05:03] <fyn> AHA!
[05:03] <fyn> I found it.
[05:04] <daweed> is in kubuntu 9.1 a software to unzip or i need to download it too?
[05:04] <fyn>         search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set b69fe6ed-f29c-49d1-b228-a9db767ac888
[05:04] <fyn>         linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-22-generic root=UUID=9148935c-f14d-40d5-982c-91d9fd16c743 ro quiet splash
[05:04] <ForgeAus> daweed ark is the archiver program for kubuntu
[05:04] <ForgeAus> (generally afaik)
[05:04] <fyn> The top UUID is indeed the ssd, but the one passed as a parameter to the kernel is being set to the old one.
[05:05] <ForgeAus> note: I'm not the biggest fan of ark...
[05:05] <daweed> ForgeAus:  and where can i found ark?
[05:05] <ForgeAus> it should be in your kmenu
[05:05] <ForgeAus> (or kickoff)
[05:05] <fyn> Where is it reading the one to pass to the kernel from and why does it get that from a different place than, um, the partition it's trying to set up?  Presumably it has decided to make an entry for this partition based on seeing an inird or kernel image there so I'd imagine it'd also want that to be the corresponding root= !?!?
[05:06] <ForgeAus> probably under utilities or system submenu
[05:09] <phyx> I was torrenting Kubuntu 10.04 but saved it to a location I didn't have write permission. I have int3rnet like 5 kb/s XD. The client is bittorrent. What can I do?
[05:09] <phyx> [CURRENT OS: GENTOO]
[05:10] <daweed> i download something from getdeb in a compressed file and i un zip it and now i want to install the software but i dont know how help! pls
[05:10] <fyn> phyx: if it let you torrent it, it was writing it ... someplace?  maybe it has a temporary place it stores it while it downloads then tries to move it to where you told it after.  try searching your filesystem for the iso's filename?
[05:11] <phyx> sudo find / -type f -name 'kubuntu-10.04-desktop-amd64.iso'
[05:11] <phyx> Right?
[05:12] <phyx> (the command)
[05:12] <daweed> what file sould i try to fing
[05:12] <daweed> find
[05:12] <phyx> The filename
[05:14] <fyn> i'd start with your home dir
[05:14] <phyx> ~/.bittorrent/incomplete ;)
[05:14] <fyn> there you go :)
[05:14] <daweed> what is tar.gz? what it is for?
[05:15] <fyn> daweed: tar is for sticking a bunch of files together into one file and gz is for shrinking one file
[05:15] <phyx> Just a random file name.
[05:15] <phyx> Its not even the corrent file type (iso)
[05:16] <fyn> phyx: oh, so you didn't find it?  :( ... is it the right size?
[05:16] <phyx> Checking the md5sums, but the pages take like ? period of time to load ! :P
[05:17] <fyn> phyx: there's a command called "file" that looks at the first bit of a file to see what type it probably is.  it'll tell you if something is an iso even if it's not called iso
[05:17] <daweed> ive donwnload 3 files to install xvideothief and i cant install it ive download the zip files and i want to install it now
[05:18] <phyx> $ file 54a83342-e45c
[05:18] <phyx> 54a83342-e45c: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'Kubuntu 10.04 LTS amd64        ' (bootable)
[05:18] <phyx> :)
[05:18] <fyn> phyx: niiiice
[05:18] <phyx> so thanks :)
[05:18] <daweed> i have data.tar.gz and control.tar.gz and devian-bynary, now what?
[05:18] <fyn> phyx: you might want to rename it someplace to the right name and try saving the torrent over it again
[05:19] <daweed> does the lucid version has less problems?
[05:19] <fyn> phyx: just in case it didn't get the last bit and if you don't feel like putting the md5s in files and running diff or whatever other means you might try to compare them
[05:20] <fyn> phyx: since it would suck if you have 99% of the iso and get it mostly installed only to have some weirdass problem that takes you a week to hunt down..
[05:20] <phyx> Its complete too
[05:20] <fyn> phyx: tho you're probably good since it *did* try to copy it to the new location and you'd think it wouldn't do that unless it was done
[05:20] <fyn> phyx: yay!
[05:20] <phyx> The md5sum matches. :)
[05:20] <phyx> lol
[05:20] <phyx> Thanks
[05:21] <fyn> Byron: turns out lucid is just dumb and slaps one uuid over everything: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/551790 is what i was running into, in case someone else is getting a similar situation.
[05:22] <daweed> i want to burn files downloaded from youtube and burnit to a dvd what should i do i have the k3d how to combert the files
[05:23] <daweed> kpackagekit i want to useit cuz with get deb i cant install the software frome there
[05:24] <bawww> do you have to use UUID?
[05:24] <daweed> and ive download the kxtodvd but it hangs still on 1%
[05:24] <daweed> bawww: are you telling me?
[05:25] <fyn> bawww: nah, but i prefer to.  i think the update-grub script works on uuid anyhow, regardless of what i have in fstab
[05:25] <maxagaz> is there a video podcast application for kde ?
[05:26] <fyn> daweed: i don't know the answer but i know a keyword that might help you in your googling:  the type of converting you're talking about is called transcoding, so try searching on "kde easy dvd transcode" or something.
[05:27] <daweed> fyn:  tnks
[05:27] <fyn> daweed: tho really that's just the part where you take your h.264 encoded video that youtube tends to use and make it into mpeg2 encoded video, that's not covering the part where you need to set it up as a proper dvd so your tv will eat it.
[05:27] <fyn> daweed: maybe
[05:27] <fyn> daweed: "linux dvd authoring software"
[05:28] <daweed> fyn: what is the last one?
[05:28] <fyn> daweed: they tend to call making a dvd that plays on dvd players "dvd authoring"
[05:29] <fyn> daweed: so that's what you're trying to do.  so knowing what it's called might help you.  i try :)
[05:30] <fyn> daweed: erm, i just realised it might seem like i'm messing with you, i'm not... i really have no idea how since i just have my computer playing the files straight the way i download them--i plug it into my projector rather than bother with dvd players.
[05:32] <daweed> fyn: yeahh i know abouth bother w dvd players but i will make a trip in mexico of like 2 weeks and i have a dvd player in my stereo car and i want to have a lot of dvd videos to watch
[05:32] <daweed> fyn:  what is erm?
[05:33] <ForgeAus> hehe
[05:33] <daweed> fyn:  where do you live? do you know mexico?
[05:33] <fyn> daweed: erm is me typing the noise i would make in that situation.  like er ... umm.  but faster.
[05:34] <fyn> daweed: i'm in canada.  i know where mexico is, but i haven't toured it extensively.  only place i've been there is san luis potosi.
[05:35] <fyn> http://linuxappfinder.com/multimedia/dvdauthoring
[05:35] <daweed> fyn: is it cool? san luis potosi? ill take the car and frome el paso texas straight to zacatecas and later to sanluis potosi, tampico tamaulipas, and then going down to veracruz by the beach road
[05:38] <daweed> fyn: that page that you show me is very cool, but now i only need wich one suport the youttube videos
[05:38] <fyn> fyn: i was there for a mexican buddy's wedding.  it was a neat old city, but if i was just hanging out in mexico i'd prolly spend the time on the beach.  oh, and there was this crazy thing near there i was gonna rent a car and see but didn't get time: http://www.eyeconart.net/mexico/pozas.htm
[05:39] <fyn> haha i'm talkin to myself ;)
[05:40] <fyn> daweed: yah, see, that's what i'm trying to say there are two parts to what you are trying to do.
[05:40] <fyn> daweed: first part: you "transcode" from whatever format you rip out of youtube into mpeg2 which is what dvds use.
[05:41] <fyn> daweed: second part: you "dvd author" yourself a dvd which isn't just a mpeg2 file but some menus 'n shit
[05:41] <fyn> daweed: well, you also have to rip the file off youtube in the first place and once you get a dvd image you need to burn it, but you get the gist?
[05:45] <daweed> the pozas are very cool ill write it down to go and ill show you later the pics just remememberme and ask i start to came to this chanel for some help im good working with linux but is alwais the same and now i want to makeme an upgrade hahaha of the os
[05:45] <daweed> fyn: the pozas are very cool ill write it down to go and ill show you later the pics just remememberme and ask i start to came to this chanel for some help im good working with linux but is alwais the same and now i want to makeme an upgrade hahaha of the os
[05:48] <daweed> fyn:  yeah if i use the k3d i should use mpeg2 that is like avi right?
[05:49] <fyn> daweed: it's all needlessly complicated!  would you believe that avi and mov and mkv and those things are containers that can hold video streams that are encoded in different ways?  so you can have two .avi files and one is h.264  and the other one mpeg2 but they're both avi!?
[05:51] <daweed> fyn:  i think that ill need to have a course
[05:51] <daweed> hahaha
[05:51] <daweed> im not familiar with that
[05:51] <daweed> but ill try to remember its easy
[05:52] <fyn> daweed: well, i think i told you the main pieces of it all, it's just a matter of finding the programs to do it, and i've got nothing
[05:53] <daweed> fyn:  and what is the really  kind of file that i need to encode the mpeg2? if there are flv or h18? then what?
[05:53] <fyn> does anyone know of some nice qt wrapper on stuff where you can just drag some arbitrary video and it'll transcode it then build you a dvd?
[05:54] <fyn> daweed: you can take it from any source that whatever you're using to convert can read.  pretty much, if your mplayer can play it, your mplayer can probably also transcode it (check the mencoder manpage for details!)
[05:57] <daweed> fyn: tnks 4 your help
[05:58] <fyn> daweed: np, best of luck with that...
[06:25] <karsten> So, I've just upgraded to 10.04 and keyboard/mouse are unresponsive in X.  Currently at console.  Thinkpad T61 laptop.
[06:25] <karsten> erm, corry.
[06:26] <karsten> Upgrade from 9.04 to 10.04, keyboard/mouse on my laptop top respond in X, only way out once X has started is to power cycle.  Thinkpad laptop.  Currenlty in console / screen.
[06:41] <bawww> does anyone use twidge?
[06:58] <silv3r_m00n> hi there
[06:58] <silv3r_m00n> in dolphin I can access other partitions and read them but can't write to them
[06:58] <silv3r_m00n> how do I make them writable ?
[07:03] <gottto> silv3r_m00n: you could in konsole do   sudo chmod -Rv a+w /path/to/partition
[07:04] <silv3r_m00n> gottto: do I need to do that everytime
[07:04] <silv3r_m00n> can't it be mounted in a writable manner ?
[07:04] <gottto> silv3r_m00n: should only need it the once
[07:04] <silv3r_m00n> hmm
[07:05] <gottto> silv3r_m00n: do you have a fstb entry for it?
[07:05] <silv3r_m00n> I tried changing permissions of the path directory , but that didn't work
[07:05] <silv3r_m00n> why ?
[07:05] <silv3r_m00n> what does R v a w mean ?
[07:06] <gottto> silv3r_m00n: an entry in /etc/fstab would mount the partition at boot every time and you would set it as writeble there
[07:06] <gottto> R is recursive - does all dirs and files and v is verbose
[07:07] <gottto> ais for all users and w is for write
[07:07] <gottto> s/ais/a is
[07:11] <silv3r_m00n> can't I have 2 panels at bottom
[07:11] <silv3r_m00n> one above the other ?
[07:15] <silv3r_m00n> I have a ext4 partition , what should be the line to mount it as writable , in fstab ?
[07:17] <bdizzle> I found yet another bug in kubuntu 10.04. When I press the usual key sequence to decrease the brightness of my screen (laptop), the graphic comes up to increase / decrease brightness, but the screen doesn't actually change
[07:17] <bdizzle> also, yet again I find knetworkmanager to be annoying beyond belief, but it doesn't remove itself when wicd is installed
[07:19] <gottto> silv3r_m00n: Ijust have   /dev/sda8   /media/sda8   ext4   noatime   0   2   - I must have chmodded it
[07:20] <silv3r_m00n> "I must have chmodded it"  means ?
[07:20] <bdizzle> does anyone know of a fix for the screen brightness issue?
[07:21] <gottto> silv3r_m00n: I did the sudo chmod -Rv   etc thing
[07:22] <silv3r_m00n> which is better chmod or fstab entry ?
[07:24] <gottto> silv3r_m00n: I used both together
[07:25] <silv3r_m00n> why ?
[07:25] <silv3r_m00n> one should work
[07:25] <silv3r_m00n> I mean either
[07:28] <silv3r_m00n> what does noatime means
[07:30] <gottto> it is short for   no access time   meaning it doesn't write the time the file is accessed everytime - speeds things up a little and saves on disk writes
[07:32] <lukefeil> hi
[07:33] <silv3r_m00n> the fstab file has some lines like this >> UUID=8caf44c3-64f0-4938-8bdf-af35c8f1cd76 /               ext4    errors=remount-ro 0       1
[07:33] <silv3r_m00n> I hope the lines I add won't conflict with them
[07:33] <lukefeil> where's the kontact/kdepim bug tracking?
[07:33] <gottto> !uuid | silv3r_m00n
[07:34] <lukefeil> launchpad says that kdepim dont use him for bug tracking
[07:34] <silv3r_m00n> suppose I add a line to fstab and there is alread a corresponding line above using the uuid , will there be a conflict ?
[07:35] <silv3r_m00n> is it fine to do so ?
[07:35] <silv3r_m00n> how do I reload the fstab file without restarting my system?
[07:35] <gottto> silv3r_m00n: you shouldn't mount the same /dev/ twice
[07:35] <silv3r_m00n> that's why I am asking
[07:35] <gottto> silv3r_m00n:    sudo mount -av
[07:35] <karsten> silv3r_m00n: What do you mean?
[07:36] <karsten> silv3r_m00n: You don't "reaload" the fstab file.  You remount / umount / mount filesystems.
[07:37] <silv3r_m00n> ok mount -av did it
[07:37] <silv3r_m00n> but I need to do that again , as I changed an option in fstab
[07:38] <silv3r_m00n> doing again says nothing was mounted
[07:38] <silv3r_m00n> already mounted
[07:49] <silv3r_m00n> I added this line
[07:49] <silv3r_m00n> /dev/sda7   /media/sda7   ext4   noatime,rw   0   0
[07:49] <silv3r_m00n> but still its not writable
[07:49] <silv3r_m00n> why ?
[07:49] <wilsby29> do the ubuntu upgrade instructions apply to the kubuntu desktop too?
[07:49] <FloodBotK3> silv3r_m00n: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:49] <wilsby29> ie: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[07:52] <silv3r_m00n> gottto: there ?
[07:52] <gottto> silv3r_m00n: yep - and I told you you have to chmod it
[07:53] <silv3r_m00n> strange
[07:53] <silv3r_m00n> I have put the rw option
[07:53] <silv3r_m00n> still chmod
[07:53] <wilsby29> how does upgrading from 9.10 to 10.04 affect postgres databases?
[08:07] <avauntage_> silv3r:try this:/dev/sda5 /home/avauntage/DATA ntfs defaults,utf8,uid=1000,gid=1000,dmask=022,fmask=133 0 0
[08:08] <avauntage_> silv3r:try this:/dev/sda5 /home/avauntage/DATA ntfs defaults,utf8,uid=1000,gid=1000,dmask=022,fmask=133 0 0
[08:09] <silv3r_m00n> gottto: chmod worked , I tried it on 1 partition
[08:10] <silv3r_m00n> but it is changing permission of each and every file
[08:10] <silv3r_m00n> another parition has lot of data
[08:10] <silv3r_m00n> is it fine to do this chmod thing there too
[08:15] <gottto> silv3r_m00n: yep - just leave out the v in -Rv if you don't want to see the messages fly by
[08:15] <silv3r_m00n> hmm
[08:15] <silv3r_m00n> gr8
[08:15] <silv3r_m00n> worked fine
[08:16] <silv3r_m00n> I still wonder why it didn't work when I changed the permissions of those directories , and that when I mounted them with rw option
[08:17] <gottto> 'cause you had rw on the partition not the files - linux basics at play
[08:17] <silv3r_m00n> gr8
[08:21] <silv3r_m00n> how do I stop these pidgin notifications ?
[08:22] <silv3r_m00n> they popup eveytime someone logins in out or messages
[08:23]  * starslights great's the chan
[08:26] <eagles0513875> !power
[08:26] <eagles0513875> hey guys whats the package responsible for power management
[08:27] <eagles0513875> !powermanagement
[08:28] <dennister> ack!!! I just lost an 11-page OO doc I've been writing for hours...would it be in any kind of cache perhaps?
[08:28] <eagles0513875> dennister: should have auto recover
[08:29] <dennister> even after I overwrote it?
[08:29] <eagles0513875> overwrote it how
[08:30] <dennister> i meant to simply copy the first paragraph to email, so I highlighted it, then saved it...when I went to open it again, only the 1st paragraph had been saved
[08:30] <dennister> the rest of the 11 pages was gone
[08:30] <eagles0513875> dennister: not that i know of
[08:31] <dennister> so i've lost most of my work?
[08:32] <dennister> eagles0513875: the rest of it isn't somewhere in a cache I don't kow about yet?
[08:33] <eagles0513875> dennister: not sure if there is a cache or not tbh :(
[08:34] <dennister> i'd settle for it being somewhere in a tmp directory :(
[08:36] <eagles0513875> dennister: let me see if there is an open office channel on freenode
[08:37] <eagles0513875> dennister: all im finding is http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ the forums
[08:39] <dennister> eagles0513875: there is an open office channel somewhere, I seem to remember from awhile back...but I'm gonna try a locate first
[08:39] <eagles0513875> ok
[08:39] <eagles0513875> gd luck
[08:40] <eagles0513875> im bout to soon go reinstall as this in stall was way too buggy :(
[08:40] <dennister> eagles0513875: thx...gd luck to you, too
[08:40] <eagles0513875> need it big time got lucid installed in a rather unconventional way
[09:20] <ForgeAus> lol I think they should rename ubuntu to Gnobuntu
[09:21] <muimota> hi!
[09:22] <muimota> [Lucid] pulse audio is not working , I would like to go back to alsa. Any web page suggestion?which packages do I have to install?
[09:24] <ForgeAus> what package is show-desktop plasmoid in?
[09:44] <muimota> someone knows an easy way to disable pulseaudio and go back to ALSA?
[09:46] <Reign1> can anyone explain to me why /usr/include/plasmaclock is not anymore on kdebase-workspace 4:4.4 while it was in 4:4.3?
[09:59] <ahox> Hi, I have my /home on an dmraid and since the update to lucid the raid is not set up anymore at boottime. How do I fix that?
[10:07] <ustadon> hello all
[10:08] <ForgeAus> ahox isn't raid via lvm?
[10:08] <ForgeAus> !lvm
[10:08] <ForgeAus> you might find some info there
[10:08] <ustadon> can someone tell me how to get rid of the nouveau module and use the nvidia propriertary one?
[10:09] <ahox> ForgeAus: I don't know. I don't really remember how I set it up. But now I have to do an dmraid --activate after it bails out at mounting my home
[10:09] <ForgeAus> why ustadon, aren't opensource drivers better?
[10:09] <ustadon> i can't install the modules (either X doesn't start or i get stuck with the nouveau module)
[10:09] <ustadon> ForgeAus can't enable compositing with the open source one ;)
[10:10] <ForgeAus> why not?
[10:10] <ahox> thought lvm2 is not installed... lets try it
[10:10] <ustadon> beats me... the module runs fine but no compositing...
[10:11] <ustadon> compiz (core) - Fatal: Software rendering detected.
[10:11] <ForgeAus> ahox :) always worth a try
[10:13] <ustadon> ForgeAus, fyi glxinfo says direct rendering yes. and the gpu can handle compositing (at least in 9.10 it could)
[10:14] <ForgeAus> ustadon I didn't have to set up this PCLinuxOS box
[10:14] <ForgeAus> but try going here
[10:14] <ForgeAus> !nvidia
[10:14] <ForgeAus> it might help
[10:14] <ustadon> ok thank you
[10:17] <ustadon> ForgeAus, thanks to the guide you pointed me at I discovered that linux restricted modules is missing (not installed, not in the repos) something messed during the upgrade?
[10:20] <ForgeAus> ustadon, possibly all I know is the opensource drivers should work for you
[10:20] <ustadon> thanks again for the effort, seems the problem is deeper than i thought. i have something to focus on now
[10:20] <ForgeAus> as for restricted drivers it might be that you don't have the repository on (it may not be on by default)
[10:21] <ForgeAus> thing is these things change per release at least they did for ATI
[10:23] <ustadon> the upgrade probably messed some things up (since compositing was working prior the upgrade), now some stuff don't work (even video decoding) i thought it was the modules but i think that firstly i should manually change the repositories
[10:25] <ustadon> is there a way to "reset" the repositories to what they should be in the first place?
[10:35] <ForgeAus> hmmm...
[10:35] <ForgeAus> ustadon: I don't know try googling it?
[10:35] <ForgeAus> I can't remember having had to do that before
[10:36] <ForgeAus> what package manager do you have kpackagekit?
[10:36] <ForgeAus> (is there a manage repositories option?)
[10:37] <eagles0513875> ForgeAus: check out kpackage kit and under setting u can check and uncheck repositories
[10:37] <ustadon> i use kpackageit and it looks ok but that thing with the restricted-modules looks strange
[10:38] <ustadon> but i found this http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[10:38] <ustadon> it claims that it generates the sources.lst for apt
[10:38] <human> help!
[10:38] <human> I have a problem
[10:38] <eagles0513875> human: just ask your question and if anyone can help ya they will
[10:39] <ForgeAus> uh you can just manually edit the file
[10:39] <human> Sometimes the letters|symbols in my computer are changing to some another symbols. Sometimes it the letter 'b', sometimes 'd'
[10:39] <human> Sometimes another letter
[10:39] <ForgeAus> with root permissions so kdesudo (or kdesu if that doesn't work) kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:40] <ForgeAus> and add in restricted along with main universe, etc...
[10:40] <ForgeAus> theres also backports
[10:40] <human> The letters can be changed to hieroglyph or digin or cyrillic symbol or to unclassified symbol
[10:40] <dr0id> hey guys, I installed phpmyadmin via synaptic package manager but when I hit the url localhost/phpmyadmin in the browser it shows me this msg -> http://pastie.org/953485
[10:40] <dr0id> why?
[10:40] <human> Now I have the big 't' letter changed to bold 'k'?
[10:40] <human> What can I do to improve that?
[10:41] <human> If I logout and login this disappears
[10:41] <ForgeAus> not sure human sounds like a font issue or localization problem perhaps??
[10:41] <human> No, sometimes it works normally
[10:41] <human> When I just login
[10:41] <human> but after few minutes of work
[10:42] <human> I have this problem
[10:42] <human> Has somebody seen this problem?
[10:42] <human> Gentlemen!
[10:42] <ustadon> not be but does it happen to all users?
[10:43] <human> And the letter, that is changed to another symbol is being changing during work
[10:43] <human> I have searched for the problem in forums.
[10:43] <human> But have not find anything
[10:44] <human> I know another man who has this problem, but I have not seen this problem at another account on my computer
[10:44] <human> It is seems to be X-Server memory leak
[10:45] <human> But I have the latest version from repository
[10:45] <ustadon> if it happens only to your account then it could be something in the kde account settings
[10:45] <ustadon> not X
[10:46] <human> It happens in KDE, and in GNOME too
[10:46] <ustadon> oh, and only to your account?
[10:47] <human> I have not seen that another users of this computer has this problem
[10:47] <human> Sometimes it happens when I run Firefox
[10:47] <human> But I am not sure
[10:47] <human> Maybe it's flash?
[10:47] <insmod> is there a way to disable the plasma destop it bogs the computer down -- i ran an older kde on it and it was great but this thinks and pauses to much even after i maxed out the ram (tried the stable and beta)
[10:48] <human> Does somebody know about this bug?
[10:48] <ustadon> anything interesting in the syslog human?
easy just remove all . files and config (bakup) and replace with skel files
[10:48] <human> I have a kernel error
[10:49] <human> just a moment
[10:51] <ustadon> human, have you changed the keyboard layout to something else?
[10:51] <human> May 10 13:50:29 Talvi kernel: [ 6011.185060] DMA per-cpu:
[10:51] <human> May 10 13:50:29 Talvi kernel: [ 6011.185063] CPU    0: hi:    0, btch:   1 usd:   0
[10:51] <human> May 10 13:50:29 Talvi kernel: [ 6011.185065] Normal per-cpu:
[10:51] <human> May 10 13:50:29 Talvi kernel: [ 6011.185068] CPU    0: hi:  186, btch:  31 usd:   0
[10:51] <human> May 10 13:50:29 Talvi kernel: [ 6011.185073] Active_anon:32488 active_file:16321 inactive_anon:55417
[10:51] <FloodBotK3> human: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:51] <human> May 10 13:50:29 Talvi kernel: [ 6011.185075]  inactive_file:18556 unevictable:0 dirty:108 writeback:65 unstable:0
[10:51] <human> May 10 13:50:29 Talvi kernel: [ 6011.185076]  free:36815 slab:8632 mapped:16815 pagetables:2157 bounce:0
[10:52] <human> I have the problem just now
[10:53] <human> Who can understand my log?
[10:54] <human> It can be videodriver problems?
[10:55] <ustadon> beats me, don't see anything strange, try to change the keyboard layout and check your .xsession-errors
[10:55] <human> May 10 13:50:29 Talvi kernel: [ 6011.184793] Pid: 918, comm: Xorg Not tainted 2.6.31-14-generic #48-Ubuntu
[10:55] <human> May 10 13:50:29 Talvi kernel: [ 6011.184796] Call Trace:
[10:55] <human> May 10 13:50:29 Talvi kernel: [ 6011.184809]  [<c056e41c>] ? printk+0x18/0x1c
[10:55] <human> May 10 13:50:29 Talvi kernel: [ 6011.184819]  [<c01b8310>] __alloc_pages_slowpath+0x340/0x480
[10:55] <human> May 10 13:50:29 Talvi kernel: [ 6011.184825]  [<c01b855f>] __alloc_pages_nodemask+0x10f/0x120
[10:55] <FloodBotK3> human: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:55] <human> May 10 13:50:29 Talvi kernel: [ 6011.184830]  [<c01b85b7>] __get_free_pages+0x17/0x30
[10:55] <human> May 10 13:50:29 Talvi kernel: [ 6011.184835]  [<c01e088f>] __kmalloc+0xdf/0x180
[10:55] <ustadon> don't think it's video module, i haven't seen character specific problems since ISA cards
[10:56] <Necrosporus> I'm trying to set up new bluetooth device, but that master said, my device doesn't support input capability
[10:56] <human> I have a lot of messages in xsession-errors
[10:56] <Necrosporus> I don't need such capabily, I would like to use DUN and file transfer
[10:57] <human> What does "(firefox:3924): Gdk-WARNING **: XID collision, trouble ahead" mean?
[10:57] <human> or "konsole(4093)/kdeui (kdelibs): Attempt to use QAction "change-profile" with KXMLGUIFactory! "
[10:59] <human> Maybe that "X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3
[10:59] <human>   Major opcode: 20 (X_GetProperty)
[10:59] <human>   Resource id:  0x4e3db48
[10:59] <human> X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3
[10:59] <human>   Major opcode: 20 (X_GetProperty)
[10:59] <FloodBotK3> human: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:59] <human>   Resource id:  0x4e3db48
[10:59] <human> kopete(2956)/kdeui (kdelibs): Attempt to use QAction "show_participants_widget" with KXMLGUIFactory! "
[10:59] <human> It seems the X-Server sometimes sends data to wrong window
[10:59] <human> That causes my problems
[10:59] <human> :)
[10:59] <ustadon> human, use a pastebin or something, don't flood here
[10:59] <insmod> anyone use skype that I can try it with see if the config works
[10:59] <human> pastebin?
[11:00] <eagles0513875> !pastebin | human
[11:00] <human> what is that?
[11:00] <eagles0513875> read above human
[11:00] <human> thank you
[11:00] <human> I'll read it after resetting
sounds like bashrc
[11:00] <human> to many letters disappeared((
[11:01] <eagles0513875> !line
[11:01] <insmod> is there a way to disable the plasma destop it bogs the computer down -- i ran an older kde on it and it was great but this thinks and pauses to much even after i maxed out the ram (tried the stable and beta)
[11:01] <eagles0513875> !enter | human
[11:02] <Necrosporus> skype is wrong
it's just to say hi to my old parents
[11:03] <Necrosporus> Why not to use something free software?
[11:03] <Necrosporus> Like ekiga
[11:03] <Necrosporus> Or Jabber client with voice chat capability
they are old and an uncle set it up -- they are 3000 miles away so......
i sujested msn (amsn)
[11:05] <Necrosporus> But  anyway... that kubuntu doesn't seem any better then ubuntu
what one
 i never use any the wife does
[11:06] <Necrosporus> I just trying to set up dual-up networking via bluetooth-enabled mobile phone
[11:06] <Necrosporus> I know, how to do it via standart console way
 blackbox (flux) or windowmaker
[11:07] <Necrosporus> But... kubuntu must be user friendly
 i never use it
[11:07] <Necrosporus> I currently use Slackware 12.1 with KDE 3.5.8
[11:07] <Necrosporus> * 3.5.9
 kde sucks hence the wifes prob
[11:08] <Necrosporus> But trying to set up lates kubuntu
 so does gnome
[11:08] <Necrosporus> KDE 3.5 rules
[11:08] <Necrosporus> KDE 4 sucks as gnome does
 that was what the wife had until this plasma nightmare
[11:10] <insmod> bog
[11:10] <ForgeAus> kde4 is starting to get there slowly
[11:10] <insmod> gah
[11:11] <ForgeAus> is it as good as what kde3 was? its different but I don't think of it as worse any longer
[11:12] <ForgeAus> seems fairly stable and has functionality KDE3 didn't and of course the eyecandy (compositing, etc)...
 my problem is ---is there a way to disable the plasma destop it bogs the computer down -- i ran an older kde on it and it was great but this thinks and pauses to much even after i maxed out the ram (tried the stable and beta)
[11:14] <ForgeAus> uh insmod, perhaps its your system stats? ...
[11:14] <ForgeAus> plasma shouldn't bog your system down that much
 yes it does
 all other kde is fine all other desktops -- fluxbox windowmaker xfce etc work great
[11:15] <ForgeAus> insmod, sounds like some particular quirk or somethin kwin doesthta those other window managers on't
[11:16] <ForgeAus> (grr don't)
 once I use plasma kde (tried on 2 computers ) screan goeas dark and thinks ... waits then works
 sorry tried on 3
 older kde never did that
[11:17] <crashev> !php-doc
[11:17] <crashev> !phpdoc
[11:17] <crashev> anyone knows which package contains php-doc files ?
[11:18] <Reign1> hello, why cant i find /usr/include/plasmaclock in kde 4:4.4? its there on 4:4.3
 i justa want the old dektop with the new features
[11:19] <ForgeAus> insmod :) who doesn't?
 i never use kde i just upgraded the wifes to use the new ipods --- grrrr
 go blackbox
[11:21] <ForgeAus> blackbox? why not fluxbox?
[11:21] <seicherlbob> hi! does anyone know how to manually reinitialize usb (ehci_hcd) in lucid? (Im affected by this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/566149)
 that's it now yes -- but i did code for balck in the day :)
 same thing just the maintainer left
[11:22] <nicio> can someone help me o moun m exernea hdd o accese it
[11:22] <nicio> to*
[11:22] <ForgeAus> awww nicio!
[11:23] <nicio> :(
dmesg | grep hdd & mount /dev/hddx /piont
[11:24] <nicio> i put it as an nfs to mount it on my desktop but cant aceese it so i want to disable it but giving me an eror
umount
[11:25] <nicio> mm not not good at this just install linux
[11:25] <nicio> i just type unmount in the shell window?
df
that lists
then umount drive
eg umount /dev/sda5
[11:26] <Reign1> aptitude show package shows current package, how can i get version of last previous version? (or some previous versions)
[11:27] <nicio> it told me comand not found
use synaptic then pick version
umount
[11:28] <nicio> comand not found
lol :)
 sudo apt-get install mount
[11:29] <nicio> im in a hold version of kubuntu i tink 7.10
[11:29] <seicherlbob> omg
 all the same
[11:30] <moetunes> there's no n after u in umount nicio
[11:30] <nicio> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[11:30] <nicio> that what it give me after install mount
 did i say there was....
 sudo -s
 did i say there was....
[11:32] <moetunes> there was what/
[11:32] <nicio> that brings me to root
 yes type mount
 what did it say
[11:34] <seicherlbob> hi! does anyone know how to manually reinitialize usb (ehci_hcd) in lucid?
rmmod
[11:34] <nicio> http://pastebin.com/XEhvRyjf
[11:34] <nicio> it give me this
[11:35] <seicherlbob> insmod: rmmod ... and what? whats the modulename for core USB support?
 is what u want to unmount listed
[11:36] <frank_> moin
lsmod | more
[11:36] <nicio> yea its listed
then umount that sucker
[11:37] <nicio> lol its sdf3 but what do i type iin the comand complete to unmount
 umount /dev/sdf1 ----- or  umount /media/DellUtility  --- both work
[11:38] <seicherlbob> insmod: xhci?
 just rmmod all that u think it is then when something needs it they use the rite one
[11:40] <nicio> i want to get in the HDD viki but it says i dont have accese rights
sorry  umount /dev/sdf3  or /home/nicio/Desktop/viki ---- but you have to sudo
[11:42] <seicherlbob> insmod: removing and adding xhci or usbhid wont do it. As i read in the bugdescription, ehci_hcd would help, but thats no longer a module in lucid (so they say)
eg sudo
 or sudo -s
[11:42] <nicio> umount /dev/sdf3 = device busy
if it's listed you are using it -- thats listed modules
hence lsmod
then you are using it -- open widow etc (user)...
yoou can force it
[11:44] <seicherlbob> insmod: i know what listed modules are. But ehci_hcd seems to be no longer a module of its own, so i can't reload it.
[11:44] <nicio> im a beginer at this and its not open i dont know
is it under lsmod
[11:44] <nicio> im gona turn it off n back on
[11:44] <seicherlbob> insmod: no
so it was never you just want to load it
[11:45] <seicherlbob> insmod: Module ehci_hcd not found.
sudo -f umount /dev/sdf3
[11:45] <azareth> hi
[11:46] <azareth> my ubuntu hangs on loading "/scripts/init-bottom", but I could find that file/directory on the flash drive, can someone help me?
[11:46] <Tm_T> insmod: please stop that
[11:46] <nicio> :O big daddy lol
[11:47] <ShorTie> natzi's, lol.
[11:48] <ShorTie> off to hide again
?
[11:48] <Tm_T> insmod: see msg, thanks
[11:48] <nicio> mmm i turn off the HDD N back on now it looks like it doesnt exist anymore O_o
fuck off
[11:49] <Tm_T> insmod: please see msg, thanks
[11:49] <nicio> lol
[11:49] <insmod> bog
[11:50] <tsimpson> insmod: stay on topic, don't swear and don't be rude
[11:51] <Walzmyn> !language | insmod
[11:52] <ShorTie> you woke up the natzi's, lol.
[11:52] <insmod> gggggahhhhh and this is why i hate irc and just want to know can i shut off plasma in kde4
who are they
[11:53] <nicio> i just wana acesses my external HDD :'(
[11:53] <Tm_T> insmod: you can, but then you don't have panels, k-menu nor anything else "desktop"
[11:54] <Walzmyn> insmod: plasma runs everything you see, you'd be left with just the libraries
[11:54] <Tm_T> Walzmyn: not everything, just the desktop part
what?
[11:54] <Walzmyn> I was being general
[11:55] <ShorTie> all the op's that hide waiting for someone to say or do something they don't like so they can come out and repramand you
[11:55] <Tm_T> ShorTie: please stop that offtopic
[11:56] <Tm_T> insmod: you can close plasma, but then you don't have wallpaper (unless set by another tool/way), no panels, no systray
look i have coded for linux sin 1996 -- it's a basic solution -- the wife likes kde 3 -- not kde 4 -- i fix it or i kill her
[11:57] <Tm_T> insmod: then use KDE3?
 bye the way the plasma leaks
[11:57] <tsimpson> I suggest you report it to KDE
[11:58] <ForgeAus> wow how's that for back to the classics, A nightmare on Elm street's back!
[11:58] <Tm_T> insmod: indeed, bugs.kde.org will be a good place to report KDE bugs
 she need the new kernel .. and as i us blackbox etc -- it bothers me (kde) but she is my wife so..
[11:58] <ForgeAus> insmod: you just stepped ontto a startrek set or something? Plasm Leaks! rofl
[11:59] <ForgeAus> grr stupid keyboard plasmA
[12:01] <nicio>  just install linux  i tink i put my external HDD it split in 3 sdf1 ,2 and 3 i want to aceses the sdf3 how do i mount it to acceses it?
 sudo mount  /dev/sdf3 /x
[12:02] <nicio> do i type exactly thgat in shell?
[12:02] <nicio> that*
 x is the mount piont
[12:03] <nicio> so sudo mount  /dev/sdf3 /desktop?
 lol
[12:03] <insmod> no
[12:04] <nicio> no?
 no
[12:04] <nicio> mmm :/
 sudo mkdir /vik
[12:04] <nicio> huh??? :s
 sudo mount //dev/sdf3 /vik
 sudo mount /dev/sdf3 /vik
 fuck off
[12:06] <nicio> icio@linux:~$ sudo mount /dev/sdf3 /vik
[12:06] <nicio> mount: mount point /vik does not exist
[12:06] <ForgeAus> normally mounts are in /mnt or /media or fusemounts can be in yuor /home/<username>/whereveryouwant
[12:06] <Walzmy_> nicio: you have to make the dir /vik first - mkdir /vik
[12:06] <nicio> omg u speaking chineys there
[12:06] <Reign1> how to check previous version of the package via synaptics?
[12:06] <ForgeAus> I always wondered if the the chinese say "omg your speaking English there"
[12:06] <nicio> permision denied
[12:07] <ForgeAus> nicio did you use sudo first?
[12:07] <Walzmy_> nicio: permision was denied in your own desktop?
[12:07] <ForgeAus> Walzmy_: yes its a security measure
[12:07] <azareth> my ubuntu hangs on loading "/scripts/init-bottom", but I could find that file/directory on the flash drive, can someone help me?
[12:07] <ShorTie> nicio, in a command window (ie: terminal), you need to, cd /, mkdir x, mount /dev/sdf3 /x, note: 'x' can be any name you want
[12:07] <ForgeAus> ShorTie: perhaps it would be better in ~ than / ?
[12:08] <ForgeAus> (fusemount avoids permission issues at least)
[12:08] <nicio> sudo mkdir /vik = nothing happen
[12:08] <Walzmy_> I just went to my desktop and mkdir test - no issues.
[12:08] <tsimpson> nicio: no error message means there was no error
[12:08] <ShorTie> i run root, screw permissions
[12:08] <nicio> so why did i sudo mkdir /vik for?
[12:08] <ForgeAus> rofl
[12:09] <ForgeAus> nicio to have a place to put the data on your directory tree
[12:09] <ForgeAus> since linux doesn't use drive letters
[12:09] <nicio> lol forg go away if your not helping lol
[12:09] <ForgeAus> you need to make a directory to mount your data to
[12:09] <nicio> ok after sudo mkdir /vik what do i do?
[12:10] <ForgeAus> and here I thought I was being didactic (unless I spelt that incorrectly)
[12:10] <tsimpson> the mount command you did before, it should work now
[12:10] <nicio> witch one?
[12:10] <ForgeAus> the mount command
[12:10] <tsimpson> sudo mount /dev/sdf3 /vik
[12:10] <ForgeAus> sudo mount /dev somethingorother
[12:11] <nicio>  sudo mount /dev/sdf3 /vik?
[12:11] <ForgeAus> try that
[12:11] <nicio> i did it its on the desktop now
[12:11] <ForgeAus> what happens when you open it? (or try to)
[12:11] <nicio> it says i dont have aceses rights
[12:12] <nicio> to the location
[12:12] <ForgeAus> ok  you need to run your file manager with root permissions
[12:12] <nicio> how do i do that?
[12:13] <ForgeAus> wiat you said its on your desktop right?
[12:13] <ForgeAus> ok your in kkubuntu so rightclick your desktop
[12:13] <ForgeAus> then run command
[12:13] <ForgeAus> shoudl give you a small box with a single line to type something
[12:13] <ForgeAus> in there type kdesu dolphin
[12:14] <ForgeAus> (at least I hope its back to kdesu, if that doesn't work try kdesudo instead)
[12:14] <ForgeAus> from there it shoudl ask you your password
[12:14] <ForgeAus> type in that and you shoudl have access to the mounted drive
[12:14] <ForgeAus> note: SHOULD
[12:15] <nicio> comand not found and kdesudo dont work
[12:16] <ForgeAus> kdesu dolphin doesn't work?
[12:16] <Reign1> how can i downgrade package?
[12:16] <ForgeAus> in that case it sounds like something wrong with your kubuntu ???
[12:16] <nicio> it works it seems but comand not fopund
[12:16] <ForgeAus> reign you could try google, I can't remember if I know that or not..
[12:16] <nicio> found*
[12:17] <ForgeAus> nicio I'm not sure how to help you if that didn't work
[12:18] <ForgeAus> (kdesudo was only for in the transitional period with KDE3 & KDE4 it reverted back to kdesu)
[12:19] <nicio> file n disk manager isnt it easyer to moount it and gain acceses from there????
[12:20] <nicio> im in 7.10 i tink
[12:20] <ShorTie> so that makes it so everytime you run dolphin from your desktop, your running it as root?
[12:20] <ForgeAus> instead of dolpin try konqueror then
[12:20] <ForgeAus> oops dolphin
[12:20] <ForgeAus> 7.10 was predolphin I think
[12:22] <MakavianManiac> is there anyway i can install KDE and all the goodies from kubuntu, without having it spam entries into my gnome menu's and vice versa?
[12:23] <ForgeAus> hmmm isoinfo not found
[12:23] <nicio> how do i know if sdf3 is ntfs or fat 32?
[12:24] <ForgeAus> uh normally nicio I could tell you but I'm not sure how you can get that info
[12:24] <ForgeAus> qtparted should tell you but I don't recommend you run that
[12:24] <nicio> lol y?
[12:24] <ForgeAus> (you can do damage to drives etc its a partitioner)
[12:24] <Twey> nicio: fdisk -l /dev/sdf
[12:24] <Twey> Will list the partition types
[12:24] <ForgeAus> Twey, great :)
[12:25] <Twey> That doesn't *necessarily* mean the FS matches, but chances are if it's marked as NTFS then it's NTFS
[12:25] <nicio> fdisk -l /dev/sdf = nothing happen
[12:25] <nicio> :/
[12:25] <tsimpson> nicio: if it's mounted, try typing "mount" and looking there
[12:25] <Twey> nicio: You need to be root to read a patrition
[12:25] <Twey> partition**
[12:26] <Twey> So ‘sudo’ it
[12:26] <nicio> sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdf3 = nothing i tink its anmmmount
[12:26] <nicio> i turn it off and back on
[12:27] <ForgeAus> umnount it before you turn it off
[12:27] <ForgeAus> and once you do turn it off you will need to remount it
[12:27] <Twey> Doesn't matter whether it's mounted or not… you can run it on either, as root.
[12:27] <Twey> Ah
[12:27] <Twey> nicio: It's /dev/sdf, not /dev/sdf3
[12:28] <Twey> You need to run it on the containing disk, not the partition
[12:28] <MakavianManiac> is there a way to keeo KDE apps out of gnome menu's and vice versa?
[12:28] <ForgeAus> Mak no
[12:28] <nicio> sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdf nothing im typing it in shell
[12:28] <ForgeAus> not that I'm aware of
[12:28] <TheFrozenSnow> why would you want to?
[12:28] <Twey> MakavianManiac: The .desktop files don't distinguish
[12:28] <tsimpson> other than editing the menu manually
[12:29] <Twey> nicio: ‘Nothing’ is not an expected result.  You should either get the information, or get an error.
[12:29] <ForgeAus> there used to be a package to organize them
[12:29] <ForgeAus> (a gnome-menu package)
[12:29] <nicio> aaa all this just to acesses my HDD
[12:29] <ForgeAus> I don't think its still around tho
[12:29] <ForgeAus> nicio, this is the hard way
[12:29] <nicio> sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdf DIDNT GIVE ME NOTHING
[12:29] <MakavianManiac> TheFrozenSnow, was that in response ot me?
[12:29] <ForgeAus> nicio thats bad english
[12:30] <ForgeAus> what you actually said is that it gave you something
[12:30] <nicio> im french
[12:30] <ForgeAus> (if nothing was what it did NOT give you then it must have given you something)
[12:30] <TheFrozenSnow> keeping the gnome and kde apps seperate
[12:31] <MakavianManiac> TheFrozenSnow, for every gnome app i currently have isntall by default, KDE will install its alternative, thus doubling the size of my menu's and making them overflow
[12:32] <dao_> hi
[13:30] <abubakar> hi how to revcover the panel in kubuntu10.04
[13:31] <maco> abubakar: right click on the desktop, add wiget
[13:31] <maco> *widget
[13:31] <abubakar> no not like that i want to recover
[13:31] <abubakar> like previous panel
[13:49] <abubakar> hi how to revcover the panel in kubuntu10.04
[14:01] <TheFrozenSnow> i did an update and on reboot to .04 im at bash and it says udev is not configured
[14:02] <vbgunz__> what service is in charge of shortcuts? I have no shortcuts, I cant even launch krunner. how do I restart my shortcuts?
[14:04] <TheFrozenSnow> ctrl+alt+f1 sudo the app
[14:04] <azareth> my ubuntu hangs on loading "/scripts/init-bottom", but I could find that file/directory on the flash drive, can someone help me?
[14:07] <TheFrozenSnow> not sure what your asking
[14:08] <TheFrozenSnow> do you need to mount the flash drive? or do you have it mounted and dont know how to navigate to it?
[14:11] <psi> hi guys, i have a backup-script in /etc/rc0.d but istn executed anymore in 10.04 ??? any hints?
[14:13] <azareth> I have persistent USB pendrive and suddenly(after few power failures) it stopped working
[14:29] <telecentro05> msn
[14:36] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[14:36] <ForgeAus> howdy
[14:55] <progre55> hi people!
[14:55] <progre55> I use Java under linux (k/ubuntu), but I have a couple of DLL libraries that I need to load in order to run a certain project. Is it somehow possible? on windows, I could just include those DLLs on the Path environment variable..
[14:59] <BluesKaj> progre55, if the project uses a java gui , it may be possible to run it in wine
[14:59] <BluesKaj> !wine
[15:00] <progre55> BluesKaj: nope, no gui, and plus, I need to change the code, etc
[15:01] <BluesKaj> yeah, kinda figured that ...DLL's aren't exactly linux friendly afaik
[15:04] <konqui> ANYBODY ON UBUNTUFORUMS WHO WANTS TO GIVE A HAND IN HELPING KUBUNTU BECOME POPULAR PLEASE JOIN http://ubuntuforums.org/group.php?do=viewmembers&groupid=770
[15:05] <timmy> I'm trying to install java6 But it is giving me  this report:/var/cache/apt/archives/sun-java6-jre_6.20dlj-1ubuntu3_all.deb
[15:09] <ubuntu> Hey
[15:11] <dr0id> hey guys, my FF cant render lucida grande, i just upgraded to karmic from jaunty, any idea y?
[15:17] <claudio_> hy
[15:18] <claudio_> where are u from?
[15:18] <claudio_> :D
[15:19] <konqui> http://ubuntuforums.org/group.php?do=viewmembers&groupid=770 PLEASE join to help spread Kubuntu.
[15:19] <tom___> dr0id try to install the font in the systems setting
[15:20] <_6i> hi, i have a problem regarding grub2
[15:20] <_6i> after shutdown and sometimes reboot, too, i dont get to the boot menu, but instead to the grub console - if i do the "set root=...;linux...;initrd...;boot" procedure, i can boot fine, but i would like to get that boot menu... (ubuntu version: lucid, dual-boot with winxp, xp was first, ubuntu wa sinstalled afterwards)
[15:20] <_6i> i've tried to reinstall grub, and the whole os and still the problem remains
[15:20] <FloodBotK3> _6i: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:23] <bbroeksema|offic> moin. Just upgraded to 10.04 and now my graphics config is quite b0rked -> ati using fglrx
[15:24] <bbroeksema|offic> fglrxinfo gives me: Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual!
[15:26] <pookito> I have an external drive, but everytime I try to unmount the drive it says that: "could not unmount the device.  One or more files on this device are open within an application"  I have not done anything but mount the drive.  Any help?
[15:28] <pattieja> morning all
[15:28] <iconmefisto> pookito: are you currently in the mountpoint directory in dolphin or in konsole?
[15:29] <AlexZIon> hi everyone, someone can help me to migrate my e-mails from kmail to thunderbird please
[15:29] <pookito> I use neither, I usually try to unmount the drive from the icon in the system tray.  But the same story happens with the file browsers as well.  Both of them
[15:30] <pookito> morning pattieja.
[15:31] <pattieja> hi pookito
[15:31] <pattieja> I'm currently administering a lab full of Kubuntu workstations, a few of which have internal RAID arrays that are used for storage.
[15:33] <iconmefisto> pookito: try unmounting with: sudo umount -l /mount/point (the -l is "lazy unmount")
[15:33] <pattieja> upon upgrade to 9.10 (I'm planning to upgrade to 10.04, soon), the internal arrays are not mounted and available to the rest of the lab via NFS, especially if the workstations experience a power failure (happens rather too frequently in the building, unfortunately).
[15:34] <pattieja> I found wiki entries that detailed other people's experiences with this issue, but when I added 'bootwait' to the argument list in /etc/fstab, it appears that the machines now fail the fsck on those mounts completely and no longer boot up (Ctrl-D to continue).
[15:35] <pattieja> anybody know a way around this?
[15:35] <pookito> iconmefis: Thanks, I usually pull the plug, but is there a way to do that from the GUI?
[15:36] <pattieja> pookito, what does an 'lsof | grep <mountpoint>' give you? along with an 'fuser /mountpoint'?
[15:37] <pattieja> that should, sometimes, give you a list of processes that are currently holding the mountpoint open
[15:41] <pookito> pattieja: nothing.  When I enter both commands with the proper mount points nothing comes out.
[15:43] <pattieja> pookito, k
[15:43] <pookito> pattieja: so you are trying to say that I might not be in the gruop for mounting or unmounting drives?
[15:44] <c3l> I need some serious help with my display setup, it always resets after reboot, but I can set it to work as I want each boot (two screens next to each other). but now I cant get that to work. first of all kubuntu wants to put all panels etc (default, or first-screen) as the screen I dont want to be first screen, how do I change this?
[15:44] <pattieja> pookito, not sure.  If you are the user that was initially created when Kubuntu was installed, then you should automatically be in those groups
[15:44] <pookito> pattieja: That is what I thought.
[15:45] <c3l> now DVI-1 is the one displayed first in display settings, and DVI-0 below, DVI-1 is treated at the defaul/main screen, I want it to be the other way around
[15:45] <pattieja> pookito, while in dolphin and viewing the contents of the drive in the window, can you right click on the removable media icon that represents your drive (displayed at the root of a crumbtrail at the top of the viewing window) and select "Safely remove this device"?
[15:46] <pookito> pattieja: that is the thing the same message appears.  It says that I can not unmount the drive because there are other process running
[15:47] <pattieja> pookito, you have no other processes open that might be holding the mount point (i.e., a terminal with a shell that has its current working directory at some location in the mountpoint, including possibly the mountpoint)
[15:47] <pattieja> ^?
[15:49] <pookito> pattieja: I do not think so.  But let me check.  nautilus might be running
[15:50] <pookito> pattieja: even when I kill nautilus, the same message appears, and it can not unmount the drive.  :-(
[15:51] <pattieja> can you do a 'ps axuwww | grep <mountpoint>' to see if that shows anything?
[15:52] <pattieja> technically, you should have seen something show up in lsof if it shows up in ps
[15:52] <pattieja> pookito, you might also check /var/log/messages|syslog and dmesg
[15:54] <pookito> pattieja: Thanks dude, I will check on kubuntu forums.  I appreciate your time and dedication. :)
[15:55] <pattieja> pookito, np
[15:59] <c3l> okay, kubuntus displaymanager is very weak. its impossible to configure the screens to work as I want. Can somone help me? all I want is to have 2 screens spread over 1 desktop, and the right screen should be the 'main' screen. seems impossible!
[16:00] <DarthFrog> c3l: I have no help to offer you, sorry, but what do you mean by main screen?
[16:02] <c3l> DarthFrog: as where all panels and so are, and where new applications pop up. but that might be a bad explaination. basically the screens have somewhat swaped places in the computers imagination. Last boot it worked differently. now when im in the display settings DVI-0 is always relative DVI-1 - which is absolute, it was the other way around when it all worked..
[16:03] <c3l> all ive done is installing fglrx
[16:03] <DarthFrog> How about physically switching the monitors position? :-)
[16:03] <progre55> hi people! why isnt filesharing not working? I right-click on a folder > properties > share > "configure file sharing", and nothing happens..
[16:04] <c3l> DarthFrog: I cant get any setup to work where the screens are paralell in ubuntu, they are always clone now
[16:04] <c3l> i could just swap the cabels, ( I want the biger one to the left ;) ) but as I cant get them pararell that wont help
[16:06] <c3l> usually DVI-0 is at the top, and therefore the 'main' screen (dont know how to put it in other words), and DVI-1 below, but now theyre swaped, and I cant get them paralell...
[16:09] <c3l> trying something, rebooting
[16:11] <c3l> at least its booting fast=)
[16:14] <c3l> how do you get the "multiple monitors" settings to work? its complaining over me not running 2 screens over 1 desktop, yeah well, cus I cant!
[16:17] <c3l> noone here knowing something about kubuntus way of handling screens (when theres two of them
[16:21] <crashev> !j2me
[16:30] <Gintulis> hi, wtf, cant start KDM, only with recoveri mode, on boot normal and then manuol start KDM :/
[16:30] <Tm_T> Gintulis: please don't use that acronym
[16:31] <Byron> BluesKaj: I got X server running, but I don't have any 3d going on.
[16:35] <BluesKaj> Byron, glxinfo | grep 3D
[16:37] <BluesKaj> Byron, what's the output?
[16:49] <Byron> BluesKaj: pastebin.com/UcNwNYni
[16:49] <Byron> BluesKaj: http://pastebin.com/UcNwNYni (sorry, now it's a link)
[16:50] <BluesKaj> Byron, install mesa-utils
[16:50] <Byron> BluesKaj: Already installed
[16:51] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: glxinfo is part of the mesa-utils
[16:55] <spAd3> i just installed 10.04
[16:55] <spAd3> but the installer crashed
[16:56] <spAd3> while removing extra packages
[16:56] <BluesKaj> yeah, i just remembered that, Byron :) ..which graphics card and which driver are you running?
[16:56] <Byron> BluesKaj: nVidia GeForce 7600 GS with the -current driver
[16:56] <spAd3> should i reinstall?
[16:58] <Byron> spAd3: (1) Put everything on one line. Easier to read and follow along. (2) If you don't have anything installed, then yes, you probably should reinstall.
[16:58] <spAd3> konqueror empties the text from the field that's why i use multiple lines
[16:59] <BluesKaj> Byron, odd that you don't have 3d or dir ..I find that puzzling, because I had 3d and dir on my 7600gt ,before removing the card and installing it on our media server pc
[16:59] <BluesKaj> with the nvidia-current driver
[17:00] <spAd3> the installation was not completed (removing extra packages), how can i complete this process and what else was the installer supposed to do after this?
[17:02] <Byron> BluesKaj: Right now, I am not using a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. When going through the Hardware Drivers tool, it tells me that it is using the Current Version driver (and is actively in use). When I try to enable compositing, it tells me that it was disabled by another application. It doesn't say which one, but says that something else suspended it.
[17:03] <BluesKaj> Byron, with compiz  or desktop effects?
[17:03] <Byron> BluesKaj: Desktop Effects
[17:05] <Byron> BluesKaj: When I try to do "sudo nvidia-xconfig", it creates the xorg.conf file, but when I reboot, I don't have X anymore.
[17:05] <BluesKaj> Byron, sudo nvidia-xconfig , this will write a new xconf file , but you should do it from the TTY with kdm/X  turned off , sudo service kdm stop
[17:05] <c3l> when Im trying to install the proprietary ATI graphics drivers I get this error: "
[17:05] <c3l> Error: ./default_policy.sh does not support version
[17:05] <c3l> default:v2:x86_64:lib32::none:2.6.32-22-generic; make sure that the version is being
[17:05] <c3l> correctly set by --iscurrentdistro
[17:05] <FloodBotK3> c3l: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:06] <c3l> sorry spammy, but what could the issue be? I dont understand how to fix
[17:06] <Byron> BluesKaj: OK. I was doing it from within X. I'll kill the desktop right now.
[17:08] <Byron> BluesKaj: Just tried it. After trying to start KDM, I'm placed from TTY1 to TTY2
[17:08] <Byron> BluesKaj: Doing "startx" after that fails
[17:15] <Byron> BluesKaj: What about the following packages: libxcb-glx0 libxcb-glx0-dev libglitz-glx1 (should I install those?
[17:16] <BluesKaj> Byron, perhaps , not sure
[17:17] <BluesKaj> Byron, try this in the terminal , you might have some broken package remnants, sudo dpkg --clear-avail
[17:23] <Byron> BluesKaj: OK
[17:23] <Byron> BluesKaj: I installed those packages. I ran the command in Konsole and got no output.
[17:24] <BluesKaj> yeah the last one won't give any output
[17:27] <CartoonCat> hellos
[17:28] <Byron> BluesKaj: Should I try nvidia-xconfig again?
[17:29] <CartoonCat> someone told me about this package that would replace 'make install' with a apt compatible install, i have forgot what it was (it worked great, fixed my wireless module issue but then a recent kernel change blew it out again, now i need to revert to the latest compat-wireless)
[17:29] <BluesKaj> Byron, it's worth a try , from the tty
[17:30] <BluesKaj> CartoonCat, which kubuntu version?
[17:30] <CartoonCat> BluesKaj: 10.04
[17:30] <CartoonCat> or kernel? 2.6.32-22
[17:30] <CartoonCat> from -21
[17:30] <BluesKaj> CartoonCat, the networking app , which one ?
[17:31] <CartoonCat> as it the network manager? i do not use one
[17:32] <Byron> BluesKaj: there is something in the xorg.conf file which it does not like at all
[17:32] <CartoonCat> this is a <driver> level issue, the one that 10.04 ships with has serious issues (times outs, drops, latency scyrocketing, etc)
[17:33] <CartoonCat> compiling compat-wireless works great, gives me back all my toys at the same time. so i just need to figure out how to install it "apt friendly"
[17:33] <BluesKaj> CartoonCat, broadcom ?
[17:34] <CartoonCat> BluesKaj: compat-wireless is for atheros
[17:34] <BluesKaj> Byron, maybe deleting xorg.conf then dropping to a tty and reconfiguring it
[17:34] <CartoonCat> i will NEVER use a broadcom radio again
[17:35] <BluesKaj> CartoonCat, does iwconfig show wlan0 info ?
[17:36] <CartoonCat> >.<
[17:36] <CartoonCat> BluesKaj: i do not need assistance in trouble shooting it, i KNOW what the problem is
[17:37] <CartoonCat> BluesKaj: most AP's i try return with wlan0: direct probe to AP xx:xx:xx timed out
[17:38] <CartoonCat> the ones that work, work like crap
[17:38] <newbee> hello
[17:38] <CartoonCat> I just need to CHANGE the driver, which I am ready to do (already compiled it up)
[17:38] <newbee> I have a very weired problem#
[17:38] <BluesKaj> CartoonCat, well, you haven't explained your problem / what network manager you are using. or the driver , so perhaps you may find a solution elsewhere or with someone else .
[17:38] <CartoonCat> I jsut need to know what that apt friendly install method was
[17:38] <newbee> my kubuntu does not recognize my wlan and lan anymore
[17:38] <CartoonCat> BluesKaj: >.<
[17:38] <newbee> they are not listed under /dev
[17:39] <CartoonCat> I didnt ask for help solvng what I had already solved but thank you
[17:39] <newbee> so I have not netowrk-connection anymore
[17:39] <newbee> what can I do about it?
[17:40] <Byron> BluesKaj: Would you know how I can view two files side by side in vi?
[17:40] <BluesKaj> apt-friendly ? you mean a network manager like wicd, CartoonCat
[17:40] <CartoonCat> BluesKaj: no, im looking for a apt friendly WAY of doing <make install>
[17:40] <CartoonCat> it installs self compile software into apt so that apt can see it, work with it
[17:41] <BluesKaj> make , make install doesn't work with apt afaik
[17:42] <BluesKaj> CartoonCat, you mean an app which compiles from source, not included in the repositories
[17:42] <lucitu> CartoonCat: install checkinstall and then instead of just make do checkinstall make ...
[17:42] <CartoonCat> BluesKaj: exactly, THIS app replaces the 'make install' and DOES work with apt
[17:43] <CartoonCat> lucitu: YES thats it, thank you
[17:43]  * CartoonCat sends himself a email: Topic CHECKINSTALL =)
[17:43] <lucitu> CartoonCat: np..checkinstall will create a deb pkg which you can then install with dpkg
[17:44] <CartoonCat> lucitu: yes it will, i did this a few weeks ago and it worked perfectly, but a kernel upgrade blew it out, now i need to recompile (did) and now do checkinstall
[17:45] <CartoonCat> oooh power bliped
[17:45] <CartoonCat> this storm is going to be weee funs
[17:46] <BluesKaj> CartoonCat, the apt reference confused me , and I haven't used checkinstall much.
[17:56] <njathan> this may sound kinda cheasy.... but how do i find out my screen resolution? mine is a widescreen display.....
[17:58] <oxymoron> njathan: You search on gogole :P
[17:58] <BluesKaj> njathan, kmenu /system settings/display
[17:59] <kleopatra> Hallo , hat einer kurz Zeit mir zu helfen?
[18:00] <Byron> BluesKaj: I have the xorg.conf file which I had prior to the dist-upgrade. Using that one does not work and I've tried to use some of the Module entries with no luck
[18:00] <kleopatra> is it german or english only chat?
[18:01] <Byron> !ru | kleopatra
[18:01] <tsimpson> kleopatra: this is english only, but there is #kubuntu-de for support in german language
[18:01] <tsimpson> Byron: german != russian
[18:01] <kleopatra> no problem, ive got a question: is there any way to find out hostname and domainname using the command ps?
[18:02] <Byron> tsimpson: I didn't know of the -de, so -ru by default.
[18:02] <tsimpson> kleopatra: no, ps just lists all the processes
[18:06] <kleopatra> well i was quite sure that someone of my course did manage that ... we have to look up username, pid, command, hostname and domainame for all running processes. And somehow i need to use many subprocesses (we use java ) to run "id" "hostname" and "domainname" , today i could have a look to the code of somone else and he didnt use so many supproceeses, all he did was to read ps
[18:07] <mouss1974> salut tous le monde
[18:08] <BluesKaj> Byron, sometimes the default which is no xorg.config file , will work best...I didn't have one with my installation.
[18:10] <dlan> salut à vous
[18:10] <Byron> BluesKaj: that seems to be the only way I will have X. I also just installed compiz (which was not installed)
[18:12] <tsimpson> kleopatra: well, ps can give you the username, pid and command of all processes, and because all processes are running on the same system, you only need to lookup the host/domain name once
[18:12] <Byron> BluesKaj: I just changed the composition from OpenGL to Xrender. It will work, but it is sluggish as heck.
[18:12] <BluesKaj> Byron, the kernel source driver for your graphics card provides X  afaik, xorg.conf isn't always necessary
[18:12] <tsimpson> kleopatra: "ps aux" is probably the most verbose output you can get from ps, it includes most of the information you want
[18:13] <kleopatra> well i know , even if i didnt do the best way, i should have used ps -eo pid,user,grou,stime,comm ... instead i used ps aux and parsed it
[18:13] <DarthFrog> ps auxww
[18:13] <Byron> BluesKaj: What is my kernel source package for nvidia-current driver?
[18:13] <lucitu> Byron: why do you need compiz?  the KDE composting is superior imo
[18:14] <Byron> lucitu: I agree, but I'm trying to get something working with my computer. I have X now, but no desktop effects working. I have no 3D.
[18:14] <lucitu> Byron: what is your card make/model?
[18:14] <Byron> lucitu: nVidia 7600 GS
[18:15] <Byron> GeForce
[18:15] <lucitu> Byron: are u trying the NV 195.136.xx from Nvidia?
[18:15] <BluesKaj> Byron, that's it ..the nvidia-current , usually the default is the nouveau driver or nv , but that's just to get you to the desktop til you can install the right driver IMO
[18:16] <Byron> I'm using nvidia-current for the driver, nothing else that I know of
[18:16] <DarthFrog> Byron: Purge the nvidia-current drivers and try an earlier version
[18:16] <lucitu> Byron: 195.36.24?
[18:16] <BluesKaj> anyway , i have to go..stuff to do, BBL
[18:16] <Byron> Thanks for the help, BluesKaj
[18:16] <aalterego> Hey guys, I need some help installing WoW:WotLK.
[18:17] <DarthFrog> Byron: try the nvidia-96 and nvidia-96-glx packages.
[18:17] <Byron> lucitu: How do I check?
[18:17] <Byron> DarthFrog: I was going to try the 180 as I recall that worked last time
[18:17] <Byron> DarthFrog: Maybe it was the 176. do you suggest 96 still?
[18:17] <DarthFrog> Then go for it.  It's obvious that the current drivers aren't working for you.
[18:18] <DarthFrog> I'd suggest you try them all until you find one that works for you.  :-)
[18:18] <Byron> DarthFrog: I'm going with your suggested 96 first
[18:19] <DarthFrog> Byron:  I strongly suggest you purge the ones you currently have.
[18:19] <aalterego> Anyone know how to install World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King?
[18:19] <DarthFrog> That way they're gone and can't get in the way.
[18:20] <lucitu> Byron: I got mine to work by getting the NV drivers directly..got rid of all modaliases* nouve
[18:20] <lucitu> nouve* drives
[18:20] <lucitu> drivers*
[18:21] <DarthFrog> lucitu: the nv driver doesn't do 3D.
[18:22] <DarthFrog> You need the nvidia drivers instead.
[18:22] <lucitu> DarthFrog: the NV 195.36.24
[18:23] <DarthFrog> lucitu: Then you'll have to be more precise in your statements.  There is an open source driver called nv.
[18:23] <lucitu> DarthFrog: i said NV drivers != nv drivers
[18:24] <DarthFrog> lucitu: And you don't think there's any ambiguity there?  :-)
[18:24] <Byron> DarthFrog: 96 did it. THANK YOU \o/
[18:24] <lucitu> DarthFrog: absolutely
[18:24] <DarthFrog> Byron: You're very welcome.
[18:24] <Byron> DarthFrog: But now I don't have Desktop Effects enabled.
[18:24] <Byron> DarthFrog: err, I can't enable them
[18:25] <DarthFrog> Byron: Why not?  (Not that I can help you with that_.
[18:25] <Byron> DarthFrog: Let me get the error message in Pastebin for you
[18:27] <Byron> DarthFrog: http://pastebin.com/V939x84R
[18:28] <Byron> I just noticed that I do not have a "Modules" section in my xorg.conf file
[18:28] <vbgunz> anyone know how to get nvidias powermizer to stay stuck at maximum performance? everytime I reboot, all my other settings stick but this one
[18:28] <DarthFrog> Byron: This is just a wild-ass guess (I have an ATI card, not an nVidia one) but I'd play around with the nvidia-settings tool or whatever they give you to configure the driver.
[18:31] <angelo> hello
[18:32] <Byron> DarthFrog: I'm going to reboot it. It says that GLX is on and I have direct rendering. Something may not have taken effect just yet.
[18:34] <Byron> DarthFrog: No, I sitll can't use OpenGL for Desktop Effects rendering
[18:35] <DarthFrog> Byron: Sorry, I'm of no help to you for that.
[18:37] <elwin> hello
[18:37] <elwin> my dear friend
[18:40] <vbgunz> Byron: you using the binary nvidia driver?
[18:43] <Byron> vbgunz: I'm using nvidia-96 driver
[18:45] <Byron> vbgunz: I have OpenGL running, but I can't get the Desktop Effects to work
[18:49] <angelo> i have a problem with ubuntu software center
[18:49] <angelo> when i click on install, it don't work
[18:50] <vbgunz> Byron: not sure, I once had an issue not having desktop effects with the latest binary driver and I just purged everything nvidia, reinstalled the latest nvidia drivers from repos then installed the latest binary driver from nvidia direct. that worked for me
[18:50] <Taravel> I have a C2D 1,6Ghz 2GbRAM ATI x1600 512Mb but Kubuntu is very slow...I disabled grafical effects and I changed the aria theme...any ideas ?
[18:53] <angelo> i have a problem with audio
[18:53] <Byron> vbgunz: I just installed everything with nvidia-96*
[18:53] <angelo> when i start pc, the audio is always on mute
[18:55] <vbgunz> Byron: this is what I did for myself and in the end I got the effects working http://paste.ubuntu.com/431240/
[18:55] <la_poisse> Hi everybody
[18:55] <vbgunz> Byron: the last line refers to a binary I downloaded from nvidia itself
[18:56] <la_poisse> I have a nice crash when I try to load my session by KDM
[18:57] <vbgunz> Byron: you can try just lines 1 and 2 and then see if effects work out for you. if not, you can try getting the latest binary driver from nvidia and see what happens
[18:57] <la_poisse> x-terminal-emulator fatal IO error : client killed
[18:57] <la_poisse> What is the problem with NVIDIA driver. I ve just correct a problem... with LibGL.so.1
[18:58] <Byron> vbgunz: The driver won't work just yet, it's a known bug. As for the first 2, I didn't have the nvidia-glx packages. Just installed them and I will take a look right now
[18:59] <la_poisse> Look at your .xsession-error
[18:59] <la_poisse> Maybe you have the same problem as me
[18:59] <la_poisse> the link of libGL.so.1
[18:59] <la_poisse> point in the wrong direction
[19:00] <la_poisse> you must remove the libGL.so.1 : rm /usr/lib/libGL.so.1
[19:01] <DarthFrog> Don't do that1
[19:01] <la_poisse> you replace it with : ln -s /usr/lib/nvidia-current/libGL.so.195...
[19:01] <DarthFrog> Don't do that!
[19:01] <la_poisse> you replace it with : ln -s /usr/lib/nvidia-current/libGL.so.195... /usr/lib/libGL.so.1
[19:01] <DarthFrog> i.e. don't remove the libGL.so.1 file.  Rename it instead to something else.  That way you can back out of the fix if it doesn't work.
[19:02] <la_poisse> Two points for you ! but you can go back with the reinstallation of the driver man... But more simple, it  s true
[19:04] <la_poisse> So mine!
[19:05] <la_poisse> x-terminal-emulator fatal IO error : client killed . I m unable to connect via kdm
[19:06] <Rhoxus> :D
[19:06] <la_poisse> Does it tell anything to someone?
[19:11] <la_poisse> vbgunz : Do you succeed to correct your problem?
[19:11] <Byron> Do I need nvidia-common?
[19:12] <la_poisse> yep If you don t do a manual installation
[19:12] <la_poisse> Byron nvidia-current sry
[19:12] <la_poisse> Byron nvidia-current = last drver
[19:13] <Byron> I know about that one, it doesn't work. I am asking about the nvidia-common package
[19:13] <ads> *sweet* installed kubuntu 10.4 in vmware - system hangs during boot.
[19:13] <ads> reproducable
[19:13] <ads> ubuntu 10.4 works fine.
[19:14] <la_poisse> not so fine sry to disapointyou
[19:14] <la_poisse> I have a lot of trouble
[19:15] <vbgunz> la_poisse: sorry, I didn't have the problem. Byron has it. Our drivers are different though, I use 185 and 195 whereas he said he uses the 96*
[19:15] <la_poisse> o|
[19:15] <la_poisse> ok
[19:15] <la_poisse> Byron NVIDIA COMMON is the good one so!
[19:16] <la_poisse> Byron can I see your .xsession-error
[19:18] <Byron> la_poisse: Where is the .xsession-error file?
[19:18] <la_poisse> /home/byron
[19:19] <Byron> http://pastebin.com/5WDQvQAB
[19:20] <Byron> vbgunz: I'm rebooting to try 185's drivers this time
[19:21] <la_poisse> what is your graphic card
[19:21] <Byron> 185 does not let me use my dual monitor setup
[19:21] <Byron> Going down to 180
[19:22] <la_poisse> ok
[19:22] <la_poisse> it seems to be a org.conf problem
[19:22] <K350> shutdown, reboot etc in the kmenu doesn't work. I've to use shutdown in the terminal. How do I solve this?
[19:22] <la_poisse> xorg.conf sry
[19:22] <daweed> hello
[19:22] <daweed> good morning
[19:23] <daweed> my mplayer on kubuntu doesnot work well doesnot show any video what can i do?
[19:23] <la_poisse> because the xsession-error is ok
[19:24] <Byron> 180 failed at giving me X
[19:24] <Byron> I think 96 will be the only option for me
[19:25] <la_poisse> Byron can I see your lspci
[19:25] <la_poisse> result
[19:25] <la_poisse> get me your org.conf, i look at it too
[19:25] <la_poisse> Xorg.conf , i have difficult with X today
[19:26] <SandGorgon> has anybody customized kate to behave like textmate (snippets and all)... could you share your config directory ?
[19:27] <la_poisse> Why is it so difficult to get a simple display system ? sometimes I cry on the easyness of W$ for this
[19:28] <la_poisse> f... XORG
[19:31] <Byron> la_poisse: http://pastebin.com/9PmqYZYT
[19:33] <daweed> my mplayer on kubuntu doesnot work well doesnot show any video what can i do?
[19:34] <alakoo> daweed: you might be lacking codecs
[19:34] <alakoo> make sure you have "ubuntu-restricted-extras" installed
[19:35] <Byron> I'm out for now. BBL
[19:35] <la_poisse> Byron so I see one NVidia card 600 GS Driver : 195.36.24
[19:35] <Pici> The package is 'kubuntu-restricted-extras', if you are using Kubuntu primarily,.
[19:35] <alakoo> it doesn't really make any difference iirc
[19:35] <la_poisse> Byron 7600 GS : try to work with the last driver
[19:37] <starslights> oh bad, a segfault in desktop lucid right now
[19:37] <la_poisse> if only that was a segfault
[19:38] <starslights> hang on it's on create the backtrace
[19:39] <starslights> but it retart the desktop but with a few application up the sceen instead all in taskbar, it's first time i  see this bug
[19:40] <la_poisse> I have a nice one me...
[19:41] <la_poisse> x-terminal-emulator fatal IO error : client killed . I m unable to connect via kdm
[19:41] <la_poisse> starslights does it tell you something
[19:41] <starslights> well it can't install all debug symbol but have 2 stars, i will report and give you the link,
[19:41] <starslights> yes la_poisse
[19:42] <starslights> would you i pastbin ?
[19:42] <starslights> while it will send to KDE only by this way
[19:43] <la_poisse> I cannot pastebin because I need to kill my session
[19:43] <starslights> la_poisse:  http://pastebin.com/psSc4YPS
[19:44] <la_poisse> but this is the only pertinent information ...
[19:44] <starslights> you want anoter host ?
[19:46] <starslights> it's quite enoying, 90 % are restarted on right place and a few disapear
[19:46] <la_poisse> sometimes  another operating system ....
[19:47] <la_poisse> it s too much technical for me ... sry I can t help u ...
[19:49] <starslights> no problem, reported to KDE, it's after 3 days running and first time i have it,
[19:50] <la_poisse> do you ever see mine?
[19:50] <la_poisse> starslights x-terminal-emulator fatal IO error : client killed
[19:50] <la_poisse>  I m unable to connect via kdm
[19:50] <la_poisse> startx is ok
[19:51] <starslights> well don't get what your mean but it's ok, i was able to restart my 2 applications missing at restart
[19:53] <la_poisse> starslights I have that message in xsession-errors when I try to launch a session via kdm. I m asking if you have an idea on how correct it
[19:53] <starslights> look like most karmic are fixed yet , it was my fear , beacause the application who not started mostly crashed the desketop but now work fine
[19:54] <aalterego> Can anyone help me install Wrath of the Lich King? No matter what I try, nothing works...
[19:54] <aalterego> I'm a Linux noob...
[19:54] <starslights> if it's what i has early, i just reinstall , updated and install graphical driver fater that, so it always worked but i had bad surprise and i can't help you , sorry
[19:55] <DarthFrog> !wine | aalterego
[19:56] <aalterego> I'm using WINE and PlayOnLinux
[19:56] <la_poisse> do you try that http://silverpenpub.net/games/how-to-install-wrath-of-the-lich-king-on-linux
[19:56] <starslights> i think their a bug and if graphical driver driver are installed early as all update. it can't boot. but now i never has any problem anymore and be reallyx happy
[19:56] <aalterego> I know POL uses WINE, and so it seems WINE is not working.
[19:56] <aalterego> I've tried multiple walkthroughs for it, none seem to work for me.
[19:56] <DarthFrog> aalterego: Have you checked out Cedega?  http://www.transgaming.org
[19:57] <starslights> nope , i use alternate LVM, and i want more stable as possible while run as server
[19:57] <starslights> brb
[19:57] <la_poisse> starslights It was my idea too. And I have the problem with a LOT of machine. I cry on the easness of W$ sometimes
[19:58] <DarthFrog> aalterego: http://www.cedega.com/gamesdb/games/view.html?game_id=5154
[19:58] <la_poisse> bye
[19:59] <aalterego> Hmm, I'll try all that stuff. If they don't work, I'll be back...heh
[19:59] <aalterego> thanks
[20:03] <BenPA> hi all ... having trouble getting my quickcam to work ... dmesg reconizes the cam but it wont work on camorama or cheese ... says camera not found ... any suggestions
[20:07] <BenPA> hi all ... having trouble getting my quickcam to work ... dmesg reconizes the cam but it wont work on camorama or cheese ... says camera not found ... any suggestions
[20:08] <areichman> hello, I'm looking for some help in getting audio over HDMI working in 10.04. I've found a few sets of instructions online but nothing seems to get it working
[20:09] <Gerrit> Hi, I'm having problems playing wmv (at http://nos.nl/nieuws/live/journaal24/wmv/ ). With xine-plugin, I can play it but I don't know how to make it fullscreen. Without xine-plugin, I get only a black screen. I have w64codecs and mozilla-plugin-vlc and totem-mozilla.
[20:10] <aalterego> cedega costs money...=(
[20:14] <BenPA> hi all ... having trouble getting my quickcam to work ... dmesg reconizes the cam but it wont work on camorama or cheese ... says camera not found ... any suggestions
[20:15] <oxymoron> How da :::::::::::::::::::::....................... is it possible that Dolphin detect a file but when trying to remove or rename it, it says the file cannot be found xD
[20:16] <areichman> oxymoron: sounds like a permissions problem. Maybe you have read access but not write or execute (whichever one is necessary to move the file)
[20:16] <areichman> although I thought it would tell you there was a permissions problem if that was the case... I'm not sure. Maybe try adding the permissions and see if it works then
[20:16] <oxymoron> areichman: No its NOT, the problem is that the name contained the char "”" and some wierd idiot made it convert to utf-8 or something like that with "?" char or something.
[20:17] <Hazamonzo> Hey folks. I need to buy a new graphics card. Ive had no problems with Nvidia but ive heard some people have had problems with ATI in the past. Is it safe to buy ATI cards these days or?
[20:17] <Hazamonzo> Is there something down to support and such?
[20:18] <oxymoron> areichman: Dolphin sees the files but in terminal I can find it with ls -l but cannot do sudo rm or sudo mv
[20:18] <DarthFrog> Hazamonzo: I have an ATI 5770.  Works ferpectly.
[20:18] <Hazamonzo> DarthFrog: Okay. Thats one so far :)
[20:18] <areichman> oxymoron: how odd. I don't know how you would go about fixing that
[20:18] <areichman> maybe start dolphin as root?
[20:19] <DarthFrog> Hazamonzo: My Mythbuntu system has an on-board ATI graphics.  I'm using the HDMI output to feed my TV.
[20:19] <tom___> BenPa is it a quickcam connect?
[20:19] <oxymoron> areichman: I got that freaking problem before but I dont know how to fix because Linux SEEEs the file but I cannot do ANYTHING with it and I have full write and read access to it. It happens when people on Kopete send files containing †„” chracters, seriously ... crappy programmers. Worst is that Kubuntu cannot remove it or anything.
[20:20] <BenPA> tom__:yes
[20:20] <oxymoron> areichman: Well sudo rm s\?tt brev.doc should work but cannot esacpe ? character and its not the one either :S
[20:20] <areichman> oxymoron: did you file a bug report? It'll go a lot further than denigrating other peoples code on irc
[20:20] <tom___> BenPa could you look up via lsusb please? 046d:08d9  is my model (IM/connect)
[20:21] <BenPA> tom__: Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Web
[20:21] <oxymoron> areichman: I dont care who done the bug or code, its still some incompent idiot who made the problem. I think they dont only need curage and support for their good job, they need to know when they suck and cannot do things properly.
[20:22] <areichman> oxymoron: that's what a bug report is for, letting somebody know something they've written may have a problem. Insulting people on irc just makes people upset and not willing to listen to you.
[20:23] <areichman> and then legitimate problems don't get solved, which nobody wants
[20:23] <areichman> so, did you file a bug report?
[20:23] <BenPA> tom__: sorry ... ID 046d:0850 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Web
[20:23] <oxymoron> areichman: Bug report doesnt feel good at all and most of the times nobody even look on the bug report you do. I havent insulted anyone in person, I just say its something that doesnt work and it sukcs
[20:23] <Hazamonzo> Any other ATI success stories / problems?
[20:23] <tom___> BenPa I'm sorry we have different models then, I don't have any experience with your model
[20:25] <BenPA> tom__: did you have to do something special to get yours to work?
[20:25] <oxymoron> areichman: I do a file report this itme, but last time I guess.
[20:25] <areichman> oxymoron: I've contributed code to KDE and I _do_ feel insulted right now. I'm trying to help you but saying things like 'incompentent idiot' and 'crappy programmer' doesn't do anything to help
[20:25] <areichman> oxymoron: link me to the bug report?
[20:26] <tom___> BenPa: with some applications I had to run the following in the terminal: export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib32/libv4l/v4l1compat.so
[20:27] <tom___> BenPa: but I don't think this will work with yours
[20:29] <oxymoron> areichman: Well I am sorry if youre feeling insulted then :/ I am so freaking tired of all important things in Kubuntu or ANY distro on GNU/Linux plattform that should just work and I hate to hear when people put the responsibility on like Adobe and closed source for Flash, thats not an excuse even if Flash is a really complex example. Overall KDE is a REALLY good desktop nad many things work wonderful, but important things that
[20:29] <oxymoron> I use daily doesnt just work as you expect them to do. Windows and Apple is even worse. I dont know if I am able to because I havet knowledge enough, but to design my own OS that WORKS flawless no matter what.
[20:29] <oxymoron> areichman: And yes I link it when created it ;)
[20:29] <aalterego> Okay, well I still need help installing WotLK.
[20:29] <Mamarok> oxymoron: if you want to blame somebody, blame the crappy windos ISO encoding, Rename the file and use UTF-8 systemwide should solve that problem.
[20:29] <areichman> oxymoron: linked it where? I just want to take a look at it and see if I can help
[20:29] <areichman> thank you Mamarok :-)
[20:30] <Mamarok> that is certainly not a KDE problem, but bad Windows encoding style
[20:30] <aalterego> I have the tangible disc in my drive (is missing the installer files, only has Installer.exe and DirectX), as well as a mounted "disc" with all the files in it in my user folder.
[20:31] <BenPA> tom__: yes, did not work
[20:31] <BenPA> tom__: which model do you have?
[20:32] <oxymoron> Mamarok: KDE, WIndows, Kubuntu, Linux Core whatever, it doesnt work.
[20:32] <Mamarok> oxymoron: well,m if you can see the file with ls -la you can also earse it, else I fear for your filesystem
[20:33] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Well alright, I take it here then. What are my options, I jsut want to remove the file, I got it again through Kopete with good name ...
[20:33] <Mamarok> oxymoron: extension?
[20:33] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Thats so strange about this, I can see it but I cannot delete it.
[20:33] <oxymoron> Mamarok: .doc extension xD
[20:33] <BenPA> tom__: which model do you have?
[20:34] <Mamarok> oxymoron: could you please pastebin a screenshot? I might be able to tell you
[20:34] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Yes sure ;) One sec
[20:34] <Mamarok> well, rm *.doc in that particular foilder should do the trick, provided you have the permissions
[20:34] <Mamarok> check there is no read only flag
[20:35] <Mamarok> and no other files with that extension
[20:36] <ofirk_> I don't mind that there is no support for other encodings other than UTF-8, but dolphin should provide a way to rename those files
[20:36] <oxymoron> Mamarok: With ls -l I got this: "-rw-r--r-- 1 oxymoron oxymoron    25600 2010-05-10 12:41 s?tt brev.doc"
[20:37] <Mamarok> you obviously havbe no permissions to remove it
[20:37] <Mamarok> have*
[20:38] <Mamarok> the ? is in a diamond, right?
[20:38] <Mamarok> crappy windows encoding, as I said
[20:38] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Ah well I thought I changed premission on it but I remember that wasnt possible because the file doesnt exist :D
[20:38] <oxymoron> Mamarok: And yes in a diamond ;)
[20:38] <ofirk_> Mamarok: what permission he need in order to remove the file?
[20:38] <oxymoron> I got this problem before but I dont remember how I removed it.
[20:39] <ofirk_> oxymoron: you need the file, or you are willing to remove it?
[20:39] <Mamarok> oxymoron: you can, move all other files starting with s elsewhere, the use tab completion, and of course sudo chown to change the permissions
[20:39] <oxymoron> ofirk_: I just want to remove it, have another "good" copy of it with nice filename ...
[20:39] <Mamarok> tab completion will give you s?tt\ brev.doc probably
[20:39] <Mamarok> with the ' in a diamond
[20:40] <Mamarok> the ?
[20:40] <oxymoron> Well I type rm s and press tab but it cannot find xD
[20:40] <ofirk_> oxymoron: the rm *.doc that Mamarok suggested doesn't work for you?
[20:40] <Mamarok> try renaming it forst, sudo rename s >tab cxompletion>
[20:40] <Mamarok> first*
[20:40] <oxymoron> ofirk_: Well then other files disappear xD
[20:41] <Mamarok> oxymoron: why don't you move the others elsewuhere first, then?
[20:41] <ofirk_> oxymoron: so move them to another folder, rm *.doc, and move them back...
[20:41] <ofirk_> lol
[20:41] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Unfortunatly I have svn folder which starts on s which I dont want to remove xD
[20:41] <oxymoron> ofirk_: LOL :D
[20:41] <ofirk_> but rm *.doc will remove only doc files
[20:42] <oxymoron> hmm now my real file disappeared :(
[20:42] <Mamarok> oxymoron: well, then get a better file organisation first, adding a svn folder in there is maybe a silly idea, downloaded files belond to $HOME/Downloads
[20:42] <Mamarok> and a svn folder certainly not
[20:43] <Mamarok> oxymoron: you must want to try, of course, else don't even start asking for help...
[20:44] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Well sometimes I download files from Kopete to home oflder because its standard path it goes too when downloading from MSN :P
[20:44] <Mamarok> *sigh*
[20:44] <oxymoron> Mamarok: And dont blame my directory structure, I have really good structure on my computer.
[20:45] <oxymoron> I hope youre happy now because my other REAL .doc file disappeared :(
[20:45] <Mamarok> oxymoron: well, you argue it to be too compilated etc. and KDEs fualt, but you made the error in the first place, put your downloads in the correct place to start with, default is never /home
[20:45] <oxymoron> But I succesfully removed the other one now :P
[20:46] <Mamarok> oxymoron: why should I be happy? Just don't balem others for something you did yourself
[20:46] <Mamarok> blame*
[20:46] <oxymoron> Mamarok: I didnt do it? I wasnt renamed it too bad encoding? :S
[20:46] <Mamarok> of course rm *.doc will erase all files called *.doc, that is something you know, you are not such a beginner
[20:47] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Well yes but the file disappeared before that.
[20:47] <oxymoron> It wasnt really important document but still it disappeared like some other folder did before when tryong CVS.
[20:47] <oxymoron> I was needed to manually do grep on my hardrive :S
[20:47] <Mamarok> CVS? What does CVS have to do with that now?
[20:48] <Mamarok> don't you mix up things a bit too much?
[20:48] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Well I isntalled CVS, then I removed CVS folder and then my REAL folder that CVS pointed to was deleted as well :S
[20:48] <oxymoron> Its still about files :P
[20:48] <Mamarok> which has nothing to do with that badly encoded file at all
[20:48] <oxymoron> Anyway its not my fault this time.
[20:49] <Mamarok> make a better file structure in your home, that is a frinedly suggestion
[20:49] <oxymoron> No, but another problem with file handling. What I mean is that file handling doesnt work as it should in Linux.
[20:49]  * Mamarok gives up
[20:50] <Mamarok> oxymoron: which is just not true, don't put the blame on Linux, it does file handling better than many other systems
[20:51] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Well it cannot handle Windows iso encoding properly, is that Windows or Linux fault? :P
[20:52] <Mamarok> that is definitely ISO's and Windows fault, ISO is completely obsolete, and renaming files is a dash in Linux, proviced you download your files to the right place to gain time
[20:52] <oxymoron> I dont say I like iso-8859-1, I hate it when coding websites but it works if its uses good :P
[20:52] <oxymoron> Mamarok: I wish my default folders where correct in Kopete, Firefox, Chromium and so on from the beginning.
[20:53] <Mamarok> it is obsolete by almost 20 years, sadly still widely used because of WIndows inability to switch tu UTF earlier
[20:53] <Mamarok> oxymoron: well, all my downloads go to $HOME/Downloads, and that is easy to put in the settings, most of the above mentioned applications do download to the correct place by default
[20:53] <oxymoron> It always start at ~ folder and I am lazy, dont want to choose folder it should go to right place right away and cannot see any settings for that in Kopete, not found it yet anyway :P
[20:54] <ofirk_> Mamarok: actually, I think that Linux does support other file encodings, but dolphin isn't
[20:55] <oxymoron> ofirk_: So its a KDE issue xD
[20:55] <areichman> Can anybody help me get audio over HDMI working?
[20:55] <ofirk_> it's interesting to check if nautilus knows how to handle these type of files...
[20:55] <Mamarok> oxymoron: no, don't blame a whole desktop for one app
[20:56] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Well one desktop should/could provide a way isolating ONE app so it dont effect others :P
[20:56] <ofirk_> areichman: I will try :)
[20:56] <oxymoron> And then one app affect my experience of my desktop.
[20:56] <areichman> ofirk_: thank you! I've been searching online for almost a week now and can't seem to fix it
[20:56] <oxymoron> Dont misunderstand me though, I like Linux and Kubuntu/KDE mostly.
[20:56] <Mamarok> but then, I would never even think of loading a file over such an insecure media as instant messaging in the first place
[20:57] <areichman> the HDMI device is listed in phonon but when I test it there's no sound output
[20:57] <ofirk_> Mamarok, oxymoron: it is probably a KDE spec or something... but it makes sense since it is a very old file encoding...
[20:57] <Mamarok> oxymoron: then stop blaming others, make sure you are not to blame at all, and then make a friendly bug report.
[20:57] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Well say that to my IM buddies ... Its not me that send documents, photos and so on over IM clients nwtwork :P
[20:57] <Mamarok> ofirk_: I had a few such files and was always able to rename those in the command line, I wouldn't do this with Dolphin anyway, cli is faster
[20:58] <ofirk_> areichman: the HDMI cable goes to speaker or a TV?
[20:58]  * robinr wonders if he really killed nepomuk or if it will come back and haunt hime
[20:58] <biad> HEY how do you adjust resolutions?
[20:58] <Mamarok> oxymoron: whatever... could we go back to support and set the chat to where it belongs?
[20:58] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Theres always someone to blame :P I just cannot tolerate people always point the subject forward always. Then if I WOULD ask the one who made the bug from the begiining, I AM sure he will point it to someone elsee :P
[20:58] <ofirk_> biad: go to System Settings -> Display
[20:59] <areichman> ofirk_: directly to the TV. I have other devices plugged in the same way and audio works
[20:59] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Well sure, I have a list of things I want to make work :P
[20:59] <Mamarok> robinr: disable it in the Systemsettings -ADvanced tab -> Desktop search, that should not come back then
[20:59] <oxymoron> First of all, how do I setup my DV cam for Firewire to work in SKype and ANY IM client? :)
[20:59] <biad> wer is system settings?
[20:59] <biad> *where
[20:59] <Mamarok> oxymoron: not a clue, I don't use those
[20:59] <ofirk_> areichman: so you have a graphic card with an HDMI output?
[21:00] <areichman> ofirk_: it's built in to the motherboard: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family)
[21:00] <Mamarok> biad: in the main menu, there should be an icon with crossed tools
[21:00] <biad> oh found it.. scroll down.
[21:01] <Mamarok> probably second or third from top in the menu
[21:01] <biad> how do you get kubuntu to full screen in viralbox?
[21:01] <Mamarok> biad: viralbox?
[21:01] <biad> *or whatever they call it
[21:01]  * maco pokes Mamarok
[21:01] <biad> virtal matchien
[21:01] <Mamarok> virtualbox you mean?
[21:01] <maco> Mamarok: we have visitors in u-w :)
[21:01] <biad> yaya
[21:02] <robinr> Mamarok: I  hope so
[21:02] <programer-L> hi
[21:02] <biad> how do you get kubuntuto full scren?
[21:02] <programer-L> why i can't send to channel ##c++?
[21:02] <ofirk_> areichman: ok. you said that other devices are connected at the same way and working.
[21:02] <oxymoron> Mamarok: I am able to make it work in Kino but anywhere else :P So I guess Linux Core finds it but V4L or V4L2 cannot forward the signal properly, and I am not sure if VLoopback working as it should, I think its enabled with modprobe.
[21:02] <areichman> ofirk_: yes, a cable box and an AppleTV
[21:02] <areichman> I know the TV is capable of this, it's my computer not outputting it for some reason
[21:02] <oxymoron> "FATAL: Module vloopback not found."
[21:03] <biad> how do you get kubuntuto full scren?
[21:03] <ofirk_> areichman: did you try to enable all channels in KMix?
[21:03] <ofirk_> areichman: ... and turn the volume up
[21:03] <areichman> ofirk_: yes, I went into the settings and showed all of the channels (~15 of them), unmuted all of them and turned them all up
[21:04] <biad> how do you get kubuntuto full scren?
[21:04] <biad> how do you get kubuntuto full scren?
[21:04] <areichman> I also went into phonon in System Settings and preferred HDMI over everything else
[21:05] <Mamarok> biad: please type correctly, it's Kubuntu, and I don't know, I don't use virtualbox
[21:05] <oxymoron> Then I think its a bug I cannot change icons in systray plasmoid for Wine apps :P
[21:05] <ofirk_> areichman: so the problem is not with the TV or the cable, since you know other devices to work with them
[21:06] <oxymoron> Then if I use Cairo-dock video output doesnt work anymore in Phonon based apps xD
[21:06] <biad> Kubnutotu?
[21:06] <areichman> ofirk_: correct. I Just don't know how to get my computer to output audio over HDMI
[21:06] <oxymoron> Most problems are knows long time but nobody have fixed it ...
[21:07] <Mamarok> oxymoron: you are welcome to give a hand, a day has only 24 hours, even for developers...
[21:07] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Where to start? :P
[21:07] <elisionista> good evening.
[21:07] <ofirk_> areichman: can you pastebin the output of aplay -l and aplay -L
[21:07] <Mamarok> oxymoron: well, bug triaging is a goo start, so are junior jobs
[21:08] <Mamarok> oxymoron: kde.org, there is a contribute link on top
[21:08] <biad> Kubnutotu?
[21:08] <elisionista> I'm having a problem with my recently installed kubuntu, the grafic composition does not work
[21:08] <biad> ok kubuntu
[21:08] <biad> :-)
[21:08]  * Mamarok gets some food
[21:08] <biad> *slaps self
[21:08] <oxymoron> Mamarok: :) Then I am curious, how is the communication between protocols, apps, services and so on? I mean does Cairo Dock team communicate with uhm lets say nouveau team or KDE with Gnome? :P
[21:09] <biad> leaves the channel sadly
[21:09] <biad> no helph ere
[21:09] <elisionista> I have installed the proprietary drivers
[21:09] <areichman> ofirk_: http://pastebin.com/zZbAw9sP
[21:10] <elisionista> can anyone help me with that?
[21:10] <puyehue74> hi everybody, I'm having a annoying situation on my Lucid,I can't sort the
[21:10] <puyehue74> list view by clicking on the column header
[21:10] <Mamarok> oxymoron: cairo dock is a KDE app? I don't think so
[21:11] <puyehue74> maybe somebody else have been having the same problem
[21:11] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Depends, but no not native KDE app :P
[21:11] <oxymoron> Mamarok: I just wonder over all if developers communicate over different teams? :)
[21:12] <oxymoron> Because that could explain why things doesnt work sometimes if nvidia drivers is incompatible with lets say Kwin, PLymouth or something like that.
[21:12] <oxymoron> Sorry I meant nouveau drivers.
[21:13] <ofirk_> areichman: try to run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install speaker-test (to install speaker-test)
[21:13] <areichman> ofirk_: speaker-test is already installed. What should I try?
[21:13] <ofirk_> areichman: speaker-test -Dplughw:0,3
[21:13] <ofirk_> areichman: you supposed to hear static noise
[21:14] <areichman> there's no sound output, although lots of statistics display
[21:14] <areichman> ofirk_: are there certain statistics you'd liketo see?
[21:14] <oxymoron> In other words it exist incompatibilty inside the OS and desktop because all apps are isolated and non-communicative with other apps and protocols :P If you use Dragon PLayer and try it and then VLC and try it, its two complete different experiences and hence its the same thing you want to do mostly, watch video.
[21:14] <AnnaZ> hello dudes. my FAT32 partition which has been used on Windows apparently mounts with the wrong codepage.
[21:15] <AnnaZ> how do i fix it?
[21:15] <ofirk_> areichman: just try to hear from your TV some noise
[21:16] <Mamarok> oxymoron: different teams as in?
[21:16] <areichman> ofirk_: there's no noise
[21:17] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Well, Nouveau, ATI, KDevelop, Wine, Amarok and so on ;)
[21:17] <Mamarok> oxymoron: the graphical drivers are usually depending on the X server, not on the desktop you run it with
[21:17] <Mamarok> so I doubt that it would make any difference between the apps
[21:17] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Well then graphical driver developers should talk to X server developers then :)
[21:18] <Mamarok> if there is a bug with a graphical driver it should be reported to the x.org team rather than the individual apps, the apps use what is provided by X
[21:18] <Mamarok> oxymoron: or they to us?
[21:18] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Yes ;)
[21:18] <oxymoron> Communication is A and O
[21:19] <Mamarok> oxymoron: still, you miss the point, the apps use what is provided
[21:19] <Mamarok> oxymoron: and of course there is communication, but not with the desktop apps and X, but rather KWin with X, since we use KWin, not X directly
[21:20] <ofirk_> areichman: can you try this speaker-test -Dhdmi -c2 -r48000 -FS16_LE
[21:20] <ofirk_> areichman: and this speaker-test -Dhdmi -c6 -r192000 -FS32_LE
[21:20] <Mamarok> oxymoron: please do some reading in techbase,kde,org, that might help you understand, especially teh API docs
[21:20] <Mamarok> s/,/./
[21:21] <Mamarok> OK, food time,for real now
[21:21] <areichman> ofirk_: nothing from either command
[21:21] <AnnaZ> duuuuudes -.-
[21:21] <oxymoron> ofirk_, Mamarok: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=237164
[21:21] <AnnaZ> i have a question above -.-
[21:22] <oxymoron> !ask | AnnaZ
[21:22] <jcgs> Hi, My network manager has had a head fit after a filed resume from suspend, now says "network management disabled" . what do i do to get it working again?
[21:22] <AnnaZ> i said it's above. and i suppose the question really is trivial and everyone just ignores me.
[21:23] <jcgs> i managed to get network running my editing /etc/network/interfaces
[21:23] <oxymoron> AnnaZ: Oh I am sorry, I wasnt see your message above :$
[21:23] <AnnaZ> i have kubuntu 10.4 btw
[21:24] <ofirk_> areichman: I am sorry, but I don't know how to continue from here
[21:24] <puyehue74> Somebody else has problems trying to sort a list view by clicking on the column header?
[21:24] <ofirk_> areichman: if you want, you can try to replace alsa as suggested in http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?t=59877 for NVidia card holders
[21:24] <areichman> ofirk_: that's all right, I've spent the last week doing the same things. Thanks for trying
[21:25] <AnnaZ> i could make a manual mountpoint in fstab or so, but i'd be interested in a more general solution, i.e. have kde or whatever is responsible for mounting in session know automatically what codepage windows fat32 partitions are supposed to have.
[21:25] <ofirk_> oxymoron: there is an older bug http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165044
[21:25] <areichman> ofirk_: I don't have an nvidia card, though
[21:25] <ofirk_> oxymoron: and also bug 510018 is talking about the same thing
[21:25] <AnnaZ> areichman: what are you trying to accomplish? hdmi sound?
[21:25] <areichman> AnnaZ: yes. Any thoughts?
[21:26] <AnnaZ> areichman: does it work for you on windows?
[21:26] <areichman> AnnaZ: I don't know, I don't use Windows. I'd imagine it does, though. The card I have supports it
[21:26] <AnnaZ> areichman: what card?
[21:26] <AnnaZ> areichman: have you routed your soundcard's digital output with a wire to your gpu?
[21:27] <areichman> Intel 82801IJ (ICH10 Family)
[21:27] <areichman> AnnaZ: no discrete GPU, all integrated intel
[21:27] <oxymoron> ofirk_: Well even worse then, developers doesnt care about fixing that ... if I understand all comments on that bug report.
[21:27] <AnnaZ> areichman: well then it should probably be wired properly. probably.
[21:28] <ofirk_> oxymoron: just noticed that I reported it... lol
[21:28] <areichman> AnnaZ: I have no idea about the wiring. I just assumed it was all done properly
[21:28] <AnnaZ> areichman:  ok... question from there on is how to make soundchip output spdif sound. perhaps you have to disable some other output for it to work, because routing possibilities within hd audio chips are somehow limited. differently though.
[21:29] <ofirk_> oxymoron: yeah, they say that those encodings are old and therefore shouldn't be supported
[21:29] <oxymoron> ofirk_: Haha :P Well I am not sure but I think I have reported it long time ago. THis happened to me long time ago in KDE 3.5 I think it was. I thought this kind of basic things were fixed by now ...
[21:29] <areichman> AnnaZ: how would I disable other audio outputs?
[21:29] <AnnaZ> areichman: don't be surprised if enabling spdif disables your stereo output.
[21:29] <oxymoron> ofirk_: What, iso8859-1 isnt that old ...
[21:29] <AnnaZ> areichman: i don't know. i don't have a single hda codec in my household.
[21:29] <areichman> AnnaZ: I can live with that, as long as I end up with the hdmi working
[21:30] <AnnaZ> areichman: i'd split testing into two parts. if you can find a soundcard, amplifier, whatever device with spdif input somewhere, first use it to check whether you get spdif output.
[21:30] <AnnaZ> from there whether it gets digested into hdmi-audio by the graphics part of the mainboard.
[21:31] <puyehue74> oxymoron: Hi I'm running lucid 64 and clicking on the column header has no efect on the sort order ( dolphin list view a nd kmail classic view )
[21:31] <areichman> AnnaZ: The same TV I'm trying to get HDMI working with has spdif, I just don't have the cable...
[21:31] <puyehue74> oxymoron: Have you heard about this issue behore?
[21:32] <oxymoron> puyehue74: It works for me with Lucid x64 with clicking on sort columns in dolphins list view
[21:32] <oxymoron> puyehue74: Sorry havent heard about it.
[21:33] <AnnaZ> areichman: does it have a tulip plug spdif or an optical spdif?
[21:33] <AnnaZ> aka rca jack
[21:33] <puyehue74> oxymoron: thanks
[21:34] <areichman> AnnaZ: not an RCA jack, looks a bit like a small phone jack with most of blocked off and the rest glwoing red
[21:34] <AnnaZ> ok it's optical.
[21:34] <jcgs> any joy with my question?
[21:34] <oxymoron> Hmm, full screen in Dragon Player doesnt work, image freezes :P
[21:35] <AnnaZ> areichman:  i suggest looking around it, there is likely to be a single rca digital audio plug near it. it can be yellow or white
[21:35] <oxymoron> Hmm doesnt work in VLC or Kaffeine either :P
[21:36] <areichman> AnnaZ: the only thing that looks like an RCA jack are 6 3.5mm jacks
[21:37] <AnnaZ> areichman: oh i'm sorry and apparently intel's graphic chip does it differently. there might be a separate hdmi endpoint on the hd audio chip, but there seems to be yet another endpoint within the graphics adapter.
[21:38] <AnnaZ> there might not be any connection within those and you would see this graphic chip endpoint as a distinct sound device, IF it were to work.
[21:38] <jcgs> ???
[21:38] <AnnaZ> areichman: i suggest asking in #alsa, they are more likely to know.
[21:38] <areichman> AnnaZ: thank you very much, I'll do that
[21:40] <error_> hy, can you tell where sis mirage 3 3D driver can be found? thx
[21:49] <Byron> la_poisse: hello
[21:49] <la_poisse> hi
[21:49] <Byron> I just noticed that you said something to me as I logged off earlier.
[21:50] <Byron> What about my 7600 GS card?
[21:54] <Alarm>  hello . i freshly installed my ubuntu with no errors at all. the problem i have is that it takes ages until i see the login screen
[21:54] <Reign1> how to downgrade from kdebase-workspace 4:4.4 to 4:4.3?
[21:54] <Alarm>  i removed the splash from the grup.config file but i havent seen any errors .neither in any log file. how can i locate what is increasing that much the boot time  ?
[22:02] <Alarm-> alright, just added bootchart. i saw that udevd and upstart-udev-br start and continue running for over 100sec .
[22:03] <eagles0513875> hey guys how can i get rid of an error in apt where it says faulty segmentation tree
[22:04] <eagles0513875> nm i fixed it
[22:08] <Reign1> how to downgrade from kdebase-workspace 4:4.4 to 4:4.3?
[22:09] <eagles0513875> !downgrade
[22:10] <eagles0513875> Reign1: hehe not what i was expecting hehe :( i usually never downgrade
[22:11] <Reign1> well i have problems with this, as some plasmoids like adjustableclock doesnt work with 4:4.4, its missing /usr/include/plasmaclock
[22:11] <Reign1> etc..
[22:11] <BenPA> identify b3310v3
[22:15] <Mamarok> Reign1: I wonder where you got those 4.4.4 package from... 4.4.3 has only just been released
[22:15] <Mamarok> and only in the backports PPA for Lucid
[22:16] <Reign1> dont remember now
[22:16] <Reign1> question is how do i get back to 4:4.3
[22:19] <oxymoron> How to downgrade from KDe 4.4 to 3.5? :D * Just kidding *
[22:26] <harjot> GUys ever since i upgraded my computer to 10.04, its been runnig very slowly, and is extremely unresponsice
[22:26] <harjot> ve
[22:26] <harjot> Any ideas on whats wrong?
[22:27] <harjot> I was on kubuntu 9.10/9.04 before
[22:27] <AnnaZ> mhmm. i have had the opposite experience.
[22:28] <AnnaZ> but perhaps you'd want to install lshw and post its output through pastebin or so.
[22:32] <harjot> AnnaZ: me?
[22:32] <AnnaZ> well yes.
[22:33] <AnnaZ> there really isn't any hint on why anything could be slower with the information you have given (none)
[22:34] <harjot> I can hear the hard drive strain more now than it did on 9.10, it seems its writing to swap
[22:35] <eagles0513875> !nvidia
[22:35] <eagles0513875> Mamarok: wahts the package name of the latest nvidia driver
[22:37] <harjot> AnnaZ: Is there a reason for why the computer may be writing to swap alot more now?
[22:37] <AnnaZ> harjot: i can't think of any immediately.
[22:38] <AnnaZ> i suggest you look at the virtual size of specific applications e.g. on the kde system activity monitor
[22:38] <AnnaZ> and report here which ones are the top consumers and with what amount.
[22:38] <harjot> firefox takes up 355 mb
[22:38] <harjot> the most
[22:39] <harjot> but its still slow without
[22:39] <AnnaZ> memory or vsize?
[22:39] <harjot> Memory
[22:39] <AnnaZ> vsize is a bit more interesting.
[22:39] <harjot> I did an upgrade, is it worth me doing a full install again?
[22:40] <harjot> Because plasma didnt come with the upgrade so im assuming something mucked up
[22:40] <AnnaZ> how much ram do you have anyway if you're too lazy for lshw?
[22:40] <AnnaZ> yuck.
[22:40] <harjot> about 2gb
[22:41] <AnnaZ> this is more than plenty.
[22:41] <harjot> But I can hear the hard drive
[22:41] <AnnaZ> you should have absolutely 0 swap use.
[22:41] <harjot> So that means ram isnt being used
[22:41] <AnnaZ> post your output of "free"
[22:42] <harjot> ok just a sec
[22:43] <harjot> do i need to pastebin? or can i do it here?
[22:43] <AnnaZ> if it's just 5 lines, i don't think anyone will mind.
[22:44] <harjot>             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[22:44] <harjot> Mem:        957252     598348     358904          0      18216     190884
[22:44] <harjot> -/+ buffers/cache:     389248     568004
[22:44] <harjot> Swap:      2763140     274588    2488552
[22:44] <FloodBotK3> harjot: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:44] <harjot> AnnaZ: the floodbot minded
[22:45] <AnnaZ> you only seem to have 1gb of ram, but its use pattern seems absolutely fine.
[22:45] <AnnaZ> you have a very minor amount of swap use, however it can sound that much heavier if harddisk access became slower for some reason, like loss of dma capability...
[22:46] <harjot> Then why does the hd make so much noise
[22:46] <AnnaZ> however i absolutely cannot see how this can have happened.
[22:46]  * genii sips and thinks about SMART monitoring
[22:46] <harjot> Hmm i think reinstall should fix
[22:47]  * AnnaZ looks at harjot, then peeks meaningfully at genii, then again at harjot
[22:48] <AnnaZ> ((are we in #kubuntu-rp?))
[22:48] <genii> AnnaZ: I have not the energy to dissuade a reinstall if they believe that is what is required.
[22:48] <harjot> lol
[22:48] <harjot> Ive been advised that the upgrade thing doesnt work too well
[22:49] <harjot> i had to install plasma by hand
[22:49] <AnnaZ> well it won't make anything worse, but i kind of prefer to know what the proper source of the problem is.
[22:49] <harjot> To be honest, same with me
[22:50] <AnnaZ> then it's a no reinstall route i suppose.
[22:50] <harjot> But this is just annoying it takes for ever to launch terminal and commands
[22:50] <harjot> to show the info part it doesnt come up instantly
[22:51] <AnnaZ> whip out smartmontools and hdtune and stuff.
[22:51] <harjot> I suppose the upgrade didnt go so well and not eeverything was installed or upgraded
[22:52] <la_poisse> are you here byron
[22:52] <AnnaZ> mhm if there is some distinct problem, it might show up in the logs...
[22:52] <djustice> rawr. my webcam worked this morning. (vlc/kamoso/v4l). but now i went and tried omegle, and now i cant get my webcam back on. -.-
[22:52] <harjot> The logs are taking way to long to load
[22:54] <harjot> this is repeated a few times
[22:54] <harjot> May 10 22:49:49 mandip-desktop avahi-daemon[906]: last message repeated 2 times
[22:54] <harjot> s/pci0000:00/0000:00:13.2/usb1/1-2
[22:54] <harjot> May 10 22:13:21 mandip-desktop kernel: [39739.385649] [drm:radeon_cs_ioctl] *ERROR* Failed to parse relocation -12!
[22:56] <harjot> anyway gtg cya all