=== BUGabundo is now known as MrBoobs === MrBoobs is now known as BUGaboobs === BUGaboobs is now known as BUGabundo === exigraff_ is now known as exigraff [04:54] How do I install 10.10? [04:56] How do I install Ubuntu 10.10 and upgrade from 10.04? [05:09] Where can I find Ambiance's folder/places icons? [07:13] Hello, I keep two installs of Ubuntu going at the same time to help me in triaging bugs, but now that lucid is final they are both the same. How do I upgrade this partition to maverick? [07:15] bbordwell: There's no update tool yet, so change /etc/apt/sources.list to point to Maverick sources, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. [07:15] caveat: I don't know whether maverick is actually a sane idea right now, but if it is, that's how you'd do it [07:16] rww, haha yes I know, It is on a seperate partition for testing purposes only [07:17] rww, so just change everywhere it says lucid to maverick? [07:18] bbordwell: yup. if you have PPAs or other third-party repositories, or your mirror is out of date, they may not work yet. [07:18] has anything really even changed yet? [07:18] doesn't seem like much would change before UDS [07:18] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/maverick-changes/2010-May/thread.html [07:19] touche [07:19] rww, thank you [08:46] yes,yes, Sleep is overrated [09:21] rt @popey: Mark proposes that 10.10 is released on Sunday 10th October 2010. Where 101010 = 42 = Meaning of Life / Universe / Everything! [09:21] heck aint that a bit early for gnome cycle? [09:21] Oh wow! [09:21] #ubuntu+1 opens again! [09:22] In before endless complains about proprietary drives. [09:22] drivers ** [09:22] BUGabundo_remote: when's GNOME coming out this time? [09:22] Quickly! BUG, hand me the Maverick! ^_^ [09:26] * BUGabundo_remote passes along an updated sources.list to red2kic [09:29] :) === komputes_ubuntu is now known as komputes [11:27] eheh Light... boot in 7 secs... browsing the web in 10... [11:27] heck I can't make FF open in under 10 secs :) [11:29] unity would work for me [11:30] BUGabundo_remote: With great power there must also come — great responsibility! [11:30] all I use 98% of the time on my laptop is chromium and pidgin [11:30] and music.... too...via stream [11:32] no, really [11:32] this is why I want a tablet running andoid on it [11:32] so I can have _instant_ ON [11:33] with my apps, right there [11:33] can't see this with a netbook ubuntu tablet :( [11:34] * BUGabundo_remote slaps the room [11:34] you guys are toooo quiet today [11:34] It's loud in #ubuntu [11:36] too load for my brain [11:37] Some are never happy it seems... Anyhow, are there any current gotchas will hopping over to mm? [11:37] Apart from the obvious? [11:41] arand: mm? [11:42] MaverickMerkaat, anyone? :þ [11:42] ahhhhhhh [11:43] * BUGabundo_remote is on slowwwww morning [11:43] I do like the 10.10 on 10.10.10. :D [11:43] * BUGabundo_remote waits for binary joke [11:44] but I do wonder if canonical team can make the real fast boot [11:44] and work with some OEM to provide a tablet [11:44] hi [11:44] that would be awesome [11:44] ola joaopinto [11:44] bom dia BUGabundo_remote [11:44] hoy [11:44] but is coming late [11:44] should have been here 6 months ago [11:44] BUGabundo_remote, looking for an ipad clone :P ? [11:45] and with ARM business under atack [11:45] I'm not sure what CPUs will be available for this kind of devices [11:45] joaopinto: alread seen one [11:45] http://p.bugabundo.net/ipad-knockoff-upgraded-with-android-21-and-la [11:46] * arand makes a new install and instantly wants to kick whomever came up with system bell response in terminal, especially the ubuntu replacement, brrr... [11:47] lol [11:50] Well I guess it's at lest better than before when pcspkr blaste full volume through headphones, some laptop manufacturers must not think like normal people.. [12:04] one of the things that makes me confusion [12:04] and I hope someone on the design team eventually gets [12:04] left sided menus/bars instead of top/bottom makes me move my mouse much more === nikolam_ is now known as nikolam [12:40] !wacom === eltoro_w is now known as storola [13:14] kicking me out of #ubuntu+1 like that... :p [13:20] hey hey hey... welcome back cwillu_at_work akgraner [13:21] * cwillu_at_work huggles [13:21] how are you both, my precious friends [13:21] ? [13:21] I'm exhausted [13:21] but I've found new bugs :) [13:22] cups-pdf will cause all sorts of hilarity if you point it at /tmp, for instance [13:22] * yofel sighs [13:23] and it mishandles its pathnames internally, and so nearly-silently fails to set permissions and ownership on the files and folders it creates if the path contains spaces or other characters that are normally quoted on the shell [13:23] not more bugs... [13:23] I'm planning on patching those two myself, the moment I have a couple hours to sleep :p [13:23] those aren't maverick specific though [13:23] I wanted to do some bugsquad work before but already lost my motivation after looking at 2 bugs without packages... [13:24] ya, I'm going to try to spend more time filing bugs with fixes attached this time around [13:24] seems like it'd be a better use of my time [13:24] heh, I'm not talking about your bugs :P, everyone in here knows how to file high quality bugs [13:24] :p [13:24] where do I file to get ride of my bugs? [13:24] what get's exhausting are all those bugs that tell nothing... [13:25] I know, but even then, a bug isn't a fix :) [13:25] they are all over my kitchen :( [13:25] lol [13:25] patdk-wk, file it upstream [13:25] rofl [13:25] hehe [13:26] okay, so how do I read a diff again? [13:27] the +'s are the code that I want, but which is broken [13:27] and the -'s are the code I don't want, but works fine [13:27] right? [13:27] + means added - removed [13:28] you hear that sound? that's the sound of patdk-wk's bugs. Now, do you hear that faint whistling behind the buzzing of his bugs? _That's_ the sound of my joke flying over your head :D [13:29] sorry, I get grumpy when I haven't slept in a while [13:31] Speaking of diffs, is there an easy way to look at what changed _insid_ a line, when you've got +somelongline -somelongsline is there an easy way to single out the "s" in there, from a diff? [13:32] arand, I think so, but I can't think of the name offhand [13:32] bit of a special purpose thing === gnomefreak76 is now known as gnomefreak [13:54] "bugs without packages..." [13:54] yofel: you day dreaming ? [13:55] well, I meant http://u.nu/5rgh9 - but the way I said it does sound like day draming ^^ [13:56] cwillu_at_work: overworking again? [13:56] *dreaming [13:56] grumble grumble :p [13:56] doing another batch of 72h straight? [13:56] no, just 20 hours right now [13:56] bah [13:56] but I've got a bad feeling that my boss will want to bring me along on this site visit [13:57] him: "... and this is our genius programmer" me: "grwahh?" customer: "!!??" [13:58] LOL [13:58] "genius" [13:59] are you sure he was refering to you ? [13:59] yes. [13:59] however [13:59] up until a year ago, they advertised "programming and application development", thinking that that referred to the configuration of their hardware [13:59] as opposed to, you know, writing programs [14:01] made for some interesting conversations :p [14:01] LOLOL [14:01] I bet [14:02] * cwillu_at_work kicks off a new rootfs image build [14:02] in other news, zippy2 expansions boards make beagles even more fun to play with :) [14:09] * cwillu_at_work cancels the image build, pushes the updated libraries to the build-server's git repo, and starts the image build again, muttering the whole time [14:36] Howdy [14:37] boot window :) [16:03] "Given the requirement to customise the Light versions for specific hardware, there won’t be a general-purpose downloadable image of Ubuntu Light on ubuntu.com." [16:03] booo [16:05] anyone knows how safe, or how incredibly stupid would be to put unity PPA onto my laptop? [16:06] https://edge.launchpad.net/~canonical-dx-team/+archive/une [16:06] BUGabundo_remote: ive tried it [16:06] BUGabundo_remote: all i get is a white screen in lucid [16:06] and? [16:06] ahah [16:06] lol [16:06] after logging in... but i can start unity from gnome [16:06] we will have to ping didrocks for it then [16:06] :) [16:07] BUGabundo_remote: we have a nice discussion going on this at omgubuntu.com [16:07] its not only me,alot of people have it [16:07] BUGabundo_remote: i've got it running on maverick [16:07] works good [16:07] ohhh [16:07] so it workS? [16:08] yes [16:08] BUGabundo_remote: not on lucid though [16:08] is it like ebox-standalone? [16:08] don't attach a 2nd screen tho ;-) [16:08] I couldn't care less abourt lucid, my mna [16:08] :D [16:08] hehe :) [16:08] and there's only lucid ppa [16:08] not ebox... the media center thingy [16:09] FAIL :) [16:09] Ian_Corne: oh its in the official mav archives? [16:09] maybe LP is still no open to MM repo [16:09] ni [16:09] i just use the ludic ppa shadeslayer :p [16:09] Ian_Corne: oh :) [16:09] Ian_Corne: so you just start it over gnome? [16:09] or does it replace metacity ? [16:09] BUGabundo_remote: it doesnt :( [16:10] i still get the gnome panel and stuff [16:10] BUGabundo_remote: I start it from gdm [16:10] select that as the current session [16:10] Ian_Corne: i get a white screen when i do that [16:10] :P [16:10] on maverick? [16:10] lucid [16:11] shadeslayer: Lucid support is in #ubuntu [16:11] let me update the repos [16:11] and install it [16:11] :p [16:11] Pici: you got him wrong [16:11] BUGabundo_remote: perhaps [16:11] It looks great on my netbook tho [16:11] we are talking about unity [16:11] Pici: you just took that out of context :P [16:11] shadeslayer: yep :) [16:11] but the left bar could use some preference options [16:11] to scale it and such [16:11] sahaa [16:11] Ian_Corne: seriously [16:11] pici still on auto bot :) [16:11] hahaha [16:12] Ian_Corne: what's the meta package I need? [16:12] unity? [16:12] BUGabundo_remote: unity [16:12] I'm not used to seeing this channel this active right after it opens :) [16:12] yep [16:12] Pici: hehe.. [16:12] Pici: and it took TOOOO long to open [16:12] should have been a week sooner [16:13] BUGabundo_remote: tell that to the toolchain for failing to build so many times. [16:13] * patdk-wk spanks the toolchain [16:13] ive never really understood what a toolchain is [16:14] gcc, ld, .... all the stuff you need to build x, y, and z :) [16:14] ah... so basically build-essential [16:14] ya [16:15] btw does ubuntu sync new packages with debian till we hit archive freeze? [16:15] http://identi.ca/group/unity [16:15] there :) [16:16] now I need an avatar [16:17] what is it with everyone needing blue people these days? [16:18] blue? [16:18] the movie :) [16:19] I saw it [16:19] but I don't follow your reasoning [16:19] now I need an avatar (a blue person from pandora) [16:19] * patdk-wk thinks he is running this into the ground [16:20] is there a graphical way to check how much ill have to download as upgrades? [16:20] shadeslayer: yes update-manager informs you of that [16:21] Ian_Corne: and it depends on my mirror? [16:22] The following NEW packages will be installed: [16:22] indicator-datetime{a} libclutk-0.3-0{a} libdbusmodel0{a} libgee2{a} libgirepository1.0-0{a} liblauncher-0.3-0{a} libmutter-private0{a} libunity-misc0{a} libwncksync0{a} mutter{a} mutter-common{a} [16:22] ubuntu-netbook-unity-default-settings{a} unity unity-asset-pool{a} wncksyncdaemon{a} [16:22] 0 packages upgraded, 15 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded. [16:22] Need to get 3,063kB of archives. After unpacking 13.0MB will be used. [16:22] shadeslayer, only what packages need upgrading are controlled by the mirror [16:22] depending on how up-to-date the mirror is [16:22] gah.... my mirror is one week behind \o. [16:23] \o/ [16:23] lol [16:23] that's why I have 2 or 3 mirrors in my sources.list [16:23] including MAIN in the last option [16:23] NOOOOOOOOOOOOO. [16:23] * BUGabundo_remote RUNSSSSS [16:24] * BUGabundo_remote runs FASTER [16:24] * BUGabundo_remote looks around for jpds [16:24] what did I do wrong this time!? [16:24] $ pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list http://paste.ubuntu.com/431165/ [16:25] shadeslayer: Which mirror are you using? [16:25] BUGabundo_remote: The fact that you're still using the main ones. [16:25] jpds: official indian mirror [16:26] jpds: which is this one : https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/ubuntuarchive.hnsdc.com-archive [16:26] i'm using gaosu [16:26] * patdk-wk just uses us.archive.ubuntu.com [16:26] gaosu is an awesome mirror! [16:26] jpds: I *always* used main ! [16:26] shadeslayer: Oh my god, they are a week behing. [16:26] BUGabundo_remote: i switched from fearing bandwidth problems with it [16:26] jpds: yeah :( [16:26] which one should I ? [16:27] let the tool select it? [16:27] or gaosu.rave.org [16:27] which tool? [16:27] which is just awesome! [16:27] Ian_Corne: You at UDS? [16:27] I do it by hand in sources.list [16:27] jpds: no, I didn't have time for it this week :( [16:28] BUGabundo_remote: software sources in System -> Admin -> [16:28] Ian_Corne: Oh, that's a shame. [16:28] GUI??? ewwwww [16:28] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/infogroep-archive [16:29] jpds: I recalled asking if they were being taped [16:29] Ian_Corne: Some sessions are videos. [16:29] videod* [16:30] you just invented a word [16:30] weird that 32 bit is more behind then 64 bit :p [16:31] comon Jeeves_ ! :p [16:36] jpds: heh.. 66 MB of updates [16:44] be cafeful upgrading dist* will remove some helpful packages [16:45] but i also dont advise you upgrade anyway its safer to run a chroot. i have ~6 installs so 1 down dont hurt me [16:47] 0_o [16:51] weird... i have hal in 10.04.... thats like a bug :P [16:58] shadesla1er: no it isnt === shadesla1er is now known as shadeslayer [16:58] try removing it :) [16:58] gnomefreak: really? [16:58] i thought some things werent de halified [16:58] mmm [16:59] remove it see what it does. i dont want to screw up more than i already did yet [16:59] gnomefreak: did you try removing it? [16:59] i have only one machine :P [17:00] shadeslayer: no i havent but i can in a minute or 2 [17:00] gnomefreak: http://paste.ubuntu.com/431186/ [17:01] now you see why. but i dont have *-desktop packages anymore and i cant fix it yet [17:02] thoggen wants to leave too [17:02] :P [17:02] i would wait for UDS to end since its not urgent [17:03] yeah :) [17:03] shadeslayer: might i suggest finishing your upgrade :) [17:03] hehe.. yeah im upgrading right now :) [17:03] 10 more mins [17:03] update-notifier has screwed me up and i dont even want it :( [17:04] gnomefreak: heh..weird thing is removing hal doesnt remove libhal :P [17:05] shadeslayer: some apps still use hal. not sure why but i havent tried since i need it atm maybe we can drop it this cycle [17:06] gnomefreak: yeah probably.. 10.10 will probably not have hal by default [17:07] shadeslayer: this is why it hasnt been dropped yet http://paste.ubuntu.com/431188/ [17:07] hehe :) [17:07] Some people have complained that Ubuntu fails to boot fully if they remove HAL. [17:07] it was removed from ubuntu-desktop, everyone else is moving slow [17:08] gnomefreak: kubuntu-desktop still has a dep on it [17:08] laptop-mode-tools would be a good reason [17:08] shadeslayer: all *-desktop does except ubuntu-desktop [17:08] atleast the major ones [17:09] Pici: the laptop and the gnome-power-manager could caus ethat [17:09] jpds: will you contact the mirror admin or should i? [17:11] shadeslayer: It would be better if you as an affected user did, or he'll think I'm nagging him. ;) [17:11] :P [17:12] jpds: but you are paid to nag [17:12] BUGabundo_remote: No. [17:12] so any major isssues w/ Maverick yet? [17:13] none [17:13] other then the usual broken depencices [17:13] I've got irb and ruby atm being broken :p [17:14] beh.. do-release-upgrade --devel-release --check-dist-upgrade-only [17:14] does nothing [17:15] upgrades will be enabled after alpha1 is released [17:15] kklimonda: :( [17:15] till then you can just change sources.list entries and do aptitude dist-upgrade [17:15] kklimonda: so i have to manually replace sources? [17:15] ohk [17:15] shadeslayer: sed your sources [17:16] or just use mine :) [17:16] $ pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list http://paste.ubuntu.com/431165/ [17:16] what's this "new feature" tats n the right side, where the buttons used to be? [17:16] im replacing :P [17:18] Ken8521: Unity [17:19] BUGabundo_remote, whats that? [17:20] Ken8521: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/383 [17:24] gnn [17:24] ?? [17:24] cnn? [17:24] *hmm...lol [17:24] :P [17:25] theres a OS in a bollywood pic called unity :P [17:25] you can run software from debian,suse,win,mac.. etc all at once [17:27] http://paste.ubuntu.com/431197/ [17:29] BUGabundo_remote, they let me go home! \o/ [17:30] \W/ [17:33] and my new expensive sd card hasn't blown up after seventy thousand writes to the same file :) [17:33] (with a sync after each write) [17:33] (none of this caching-invalidating-my-tests nonsense) [17:35] where can I find good documentation on which graphics cards have good open source drivers? [17:37] eheh [17:37] good luck [17:37] the closest I came to, was to ask in #ubuntu-x which drivers weree known to support what [17:38] I _tried_ to make a wiki page [17:38] but then realized how volatil that info is during a devel release === shadeslayer is now known as shadeslayer_ === shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer === shadeslayer is now known as shadeslayer_ [17:40] BUGabundo_remote ok thanks [17:42] metalf88011, ati and intel are the best bets; generally support only improves with time [17:43] if you don't need 3d support, nouveaux (open nvidia driver) is becoming usable [17:43] http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ATIRadeon is generally fairly up to date [17:44] and we track it fairly closely; even though our default drivers don't get massively updated during the lifetime of a release, there's a couple different ppa's which have more recent builds from upstream, right up to a nightly build [17:46] * patdk-wk has liked the intel ones [17:46] little annoying sometimes to get the res you want, but generally works good [17:46] res hasn't been an issue since xrandr 1.2, aside from some detection issues [17:46] nothing like the old days where you needed to hack the bios to set a non-standard res :) [17:47] cwillu thank you I'll check that out [17:57] hi guys...maybe not the right room, but let's give it a go. I installed Kubuntu alongside Gnome recently, but didnt like it. I uninstalled Kubuntu completely, but it's left my pointer themes looks VERY bad...is there anyway I can reinstall the pointer themes [18:02] $home.i(go); [18:15] mikebeecham, not the right room, #ubuntu for support [18:16] joaopinto: thanks === yofel_ is now known as yofel [18:31] Hi, everybody. I just got my testing partition upgraded to 10.10. For now, I am sticking with the nouveau driver. Man, MM boots and gets the desktop up fast! [18:35] MM ended up with three broken packages and aptitude removed them. Two of them were gnome-desktop and tomboy, I don't remember the other one. But, everything seems to work fine. [18:40] update-notifier? [19:06] when will be the best time to upgrade to Maverick? Alpha1? [19:13] mandara: I would not upgrade my main system that I use until at least RC. Upgrade into a testing partition if you just want to play around or test MM. [19:13] And don't share /home [19:17] ratcheer, I am ok with occasionaly crashing. broke my system few times with nvidia driver but always managed to fix it somehow [19:17] well, there's not much new atm [19:18] just the regular dependecy problems [19:18] of course I always make backup before. [19:18] mandara: Ok,whatever floats your boat. Just be warned. [19:20] Ian_Corne, yup, nothing new. Will wait probably for Alpha1 [19:20] If you're eager to help, you can enable lucid-proposed I think [19:21] and that'll help the current fixed [19:21] have that enabled already [19:22] ok :) === gnomefreak76 is now known as gnomefreak [20:24] are there daily live iso's yet? current still points to 10.04 lts release iso's of 29th april. testdrive fetches nonexisting maverick daily live's [20:31] acicula: no not yet most liklely not until after UDS [20:45] ah ok, thanx === Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk === EdgEy_ is now known as EdgEy [23:24] (2010-05-10 23:23:28) fta: the dailies will build for maverick starting from now [23:24] WOOT [23:36] (2010-05-10 23:28:59) Sarvatt: this X mess in maverick is going to take awhile to clean up, I was merging libx11 since it has the silly klingon change but there are a ton of libs waiting to go through NEW that have to be done one at a time with the udeb changes [23:36] (2010-05-10 23:30:02) Sarvatt: not to mention all the drivers were synced and require xserver-xorg-dev (>= 2:1.7.6.901) that needs merging too [23:38] heh, welcome to the new cyclr [23:39] i think you read into what I said a bit much, nothings published so its not going to break anything man :D [23:39] great [23:39] Sarvatt: hey, new development cycle is all about breaking stuff :) [23:39] Sarvatt: if you don't break anything then you make BUGabundo sad ;) [23:40] :( [23:43] ooh, the channel is open already. [23:43] Meerkat.... reminds me of "Hakuna Matata". [23:47] welcome back DanaG [23:47] we missed your ranting :) [23:48] Always bothers me when they choose three-syllable nicknames. [23:49] Anyway, any rants about nvidia 96 will be gone now... that beast's been shipped off to the opposite coast. =þ [23:55] arand: who does? [23:58] BUGabundo: who what? chooses nicknames? sabdfl I guess? (I'm talking about Maverick being 3-syllable and generally uncomfortable as a mascot name, as was intrepid...) [23:59] aahh