[00:01] hey zachk_ [00:01] i was eating dinner [00:03] I freaking love IP tables [00:03] It's how a firewall is supposed to be [00:03] [00:04] does linux need a firewall? [00:04] need... [00:04] nobody needs a firewall [00:05] kidtp: no...ubuntu has no need of any virus software and or firewall [00:05] kidtp: ubuntu is fully firewalled by default [00:05] If you know how to form null flag and craft packets at layer 3 you can do a lot of damage [00:05] its fire wall is what UFW? [00:06] but who would be that bored and mean? [00:06] which runs iptables under the hood :P [00:06] I do write packets, only to layer 3 though [00:06] I use Pascal and don't have a linker for making drivers [00:06] :P [00:06] need C for that [00:07] Plus, you need an older system if you want to do it on Windows [00:07] SP2 drops malformed headers [00:07] SP1 is good for it [00:08] Plus, you need to put 2 months into learning winsock [00:08] minimum [00:08] kidtp: head over to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=510812 to get a feel of how ubuntu & security work [00:09] phillw: thanks ill check it out [00:09] impunity: do you know anything about microphones and skype? [00:10] Not for Ubuntu [00:10] oh ok [00:10] I am a newbie with Linux [00:10] I just use Ubuntu server anyway [00:11] greatest thing since sliced bread [00:11] Impunity: With 10.04 there is a new manual out, head over to http://ubuntu-manual.org/ for more details. (Oh, it's good :-) ) [00:12] Thanks, Phill but I understand most of what I need, now. [00:12] I was here for Linux routing questions, but I already figured it out... [00:13] You guys want an excellent tutorial on iptables? [00:13] are there any commands i should put in right now that are important or nice to use for ubuntu? i already have the flash one [00:13] Makes it really easy to understand. [00:13] learn "find" [00:13] and "grep" [00:13] "ps" [00:14] oh, and "sudo" lol [00:14] Impunity: that guide is there for you, then, if you want specifics of routing then you will need to narrow down on the things you need for your network [00:14] find obviously means find and grep i think means get? i used all but ps yesterday [00:15] well, without wishing to put a dampner on thigs, could i also adise that you read http://ubuntuforums.org/announcement.php?f=336 [00:15] Sadly, it is something you should be aware of it. [00:17] lol the old rm trick? [00:17] forum staff, and those with a few beans can be trusted, but do take note of it. [00:17] phillw: i always post the source of the code if i even put code for use on the forums [00:17] that way it's verifiable [00:18] and other hacks to put in a admin user into your system [00:18] ZachK_: i use http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=57 on my baby forum [00:18] The one snip with all the hex values is quite obvious [00:18] If you go to milworm and metaspolit and spend some time, you can learn a lot [00:18] Impunity: for a n00b? - I beg to differ [00:21] I will give an e-cookie to the first person to find a good tutorial for setting up an ubuntu time server and how to connect clients to it. [00:22] you could probly type in on bing [00:22] idk what "time server" is. [00:22] It's not like I didn't look for it [00:23] I used on on the Ubuntu forums, however, it was pretty short and not welll explained [00:23] I think the issue was the fact the server was only broadcasting [00:24] I was trying to link clients from another subnet....not sure why that would be an issue [00:24] Impunity: you ahve not been to http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=339 ?? [00:24] /s/ahve/have [00:24] Nope, Phill [00:24] Impunity: I can recommend it :-) [00:25] Looking at it now, pimp. [00:25] Actually, this is where I got the NTP setup [00:26] It was like 25 lines and not really clear [00:26] bodhi's thread may be a good one to follow, if you have questions, that is a good place to post questions [00:27] checkin it [00:29] Impunity: well I'm sure that 17,000+ people cannot be wrong ;-) [00:29] give me the link, I could not get the search to turn up his post [00:29] Please, ;P [00:30] what did you do for a search, I used NTP server and used poster bodhi [00:30] What! you mean humans don't have 3 ears? [00:31] Impunity: This looks like it might be helpful: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=862620 [00:32] That's an excellent one App [00:32] thanks, chief [00:33] Impunity: You're quite welcome. If you were interested in improving your google-fu, I searched for "setup ubuntu ntp server", and it was the 3rd hit. [00:43] good people of #ubuntu-beginners, a year ago I did my first serious Linux install and promised myself to stick with it, today, I can announce that I migrated the last windows box I had to Linux, I am from now on 100% Windows free [no dualboot either ! :D ] [00:43] you guys rock ! [00:44] That is great news Phrea [00:44] for me it is indeed, I'm very very happy [00:44] I don't use any native windows programs anymore, so I thought to myself: why the heck not? [00:44] Phrea: Haha, congratulations. [00:45] Phrea: kewl, welome to the 100% club - just converted my Mum to lubuntu couple of days back. :-D [00:45] haha, cool :D [00:45] I wont convert anybody, certainly not my parents tho, no need [00:46] phillw: Lubuntu, when will that officially come out? [00:46] with Meerkat or so? [00:46] my mum uses my old laptop, it was taking 2-3 minutes to boot with XP (anti virus stuff, etc), with lubuntu it is 20 seconds - my Mum is impressed ;-) [00:46] or did you just do an alternate install and chose lxde? [00:47] phillw: my pc does take quite a while to boot tho, going to look into that [00:47] greetings all! [00:48] I think around maybe 40 to 50 seconds, which is WAY too slow for a quad cpu/4gb machine [00:48] Phrea: it will be adopted when canonical and the lubuntu devs are quite happy. with the complete re-write of pcmanfm, there was not a snowball in a hot place chance it would meet the 10.04 [00:48] I am trying to figure out firewall stuff and my syslog showing a TON of dropped packets. Any reason why it's seems to be dropping so many? [00:48] phillw: haha [00:48] Phrea: do a check with ureadahead [00:49] one can use the Alternate cd for such installs too, cant one? [00:49] I'll go and read up again :D [00:50] Phrea: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1434502 cover ureadahead, yes you can use mini-iso if you have less than 160MB of RAM [00:51] I'm looking into that for a server install [I need a gui, even on a server] [00:52] Phrea: join #lubuntu [00:52] maybe when I'm ready, for now I'm very happy with the fact that all my boxes now are dedicated linux machines :D [00:53] I do have a question tho... [00:53] there's a big data disk in this machine, it's of course still NTFS and I want to switch to ext [00:53] one guy is already using it on a thin blade server, requires less than 50% of the RAM per user [00:54] phillw: maybe at a later stage :) [00:54] is there a safe way to convert a FS live? [00:54] or should I go and move stuff around to convert the partitions on that disk? [00:54] Phrea: there is no real need to change it, you may gain some speed advantage, but it should not really be your bottle neck on a system [00:55] phillw: and it's equally stable and usable on a linux system? [00:56] if there's no need, why take risks with data, right :) [00:56] yeah, ntfs is a fairly stable system, chkdsk can recover most errors just as fsck does for linux disk formats [00:56] true enough :) [00:56] thanks [00:56] Phrea: not unless you had backed it up, no. I would advise to stick [00:57] I havent backed it all up no, it's too much [00:57] only backup truely important files, no audio/video etc [00:57] I'll stick with it :) [00:57] then, do not go for doing surgery on your hard drive(s) [00:57] haha, ok :D [00:57] thanks ! [00:58] I'm going to have a celebratory beer :D [00:59] * phillw going for a ciggie [01:00] later :) [01:04] * phillw on #lubuntu === Guest50334 is now known as compiledkernel [04:05] Hi, I am trying to install LUbuntu and it is asking for a username and password? [04:08] Chris____: At what point is it asking for a username and password? [04:08] Chris____: When you're trying to login to the liveCD, or during the install process? [04:08] I am trying to install [04:09] using the live CD but I have see no menus [04:10] Chris____: I don't understand. Have you booted into the liveCD successfully? Can you open Firefox, open a terminal, do you see a desktop? [04:12] No, I see no graphics environment [04:14] I rebooted again - Now I see the ISOLINUX message [04:14] Sup team [04:15] Chris____: OK. So you stay at a terminal and then at some point it asks you for a username? [04:15] Correct [04:17] Chris____: Well, sorry, I've never used lubuntu. But I can give you some things to try. [04:17] Chris____: username: ubuntu, no password [04:18] Chris____: username: liveuser, no password [04:18] Chris____: username: lubuntu, no password [04:18] try no username, no password [04:18] try root, no password [04:18] and #lubuntu [04:19] hey all, looking for some help in diagnosing all these 'dropped' messages in my logs. [04:19] should they be there at all? [04:20] i.e " DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.1.9 DST=192.168.1.255 LEN=209 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=631 DPT=631 LEN=189 " [04:20] !pastebin | dragondon [04:20] dragondon: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com [04:21] It's one line of output, are you really asking for a pastebin for that? [04:22] don't use IRC much, good reminder though. [04:23] http://paste.ubuntu.com/430872/ :) [04:23] dragondon: Sorry, all I can tell you is that those are UDP packets, so it _may_ be a network issue. Dropped packets are a fact of life, but I don't know if those showed up in the logs because they're important. Or maybe you have too many dropped packets. [04:24] thanks Apl6, but it happening every few seconds....anywhere from 1 to 20 seconds these message show up. [04:25] Doh...Appl6 I meant obviously. [04:26] dragondon: Haha it's fine. Which logs were you looking in? [04:27] Apple6: syslog/messages. Being new to Linux, I am trying to understand logs and what should/shouldn't be in them, what is normal/should be concerned about. Seems to be about 5-6 per minute at least. If this is normal, then how to I tell the system to ignore it? [04:28] dragondon: Do you mean /var/log/messages? [04:29] sorry, I meant the syslog and messages. Using the logviewer app. [04:29] dragondon: Oh. [04:29] obviously one is the echoof another [04:31] dragondon: Sorry, Pidgin crashed =\. [04:31] Appl6: s'okay....you dropped more than a few pakcets :P [04:31] dragondon: Hahaha. [04:32] dragondon: Could you paste one line of the errors you were getting, please? [04:32] dragondon: I lost it with the crash. [04:33] http://paste.ubuntu.com/430875/ satisfying the paste-bot :P [04:33] dragondon: Haha, yeah thanks. [04:35] waiting for paste-bot to burb now after being fed :P [04:35] dragondon: Well, I don't have any DROPPED messages in my logs. [04:35] dragondon: Which of course makes you feel better. [04:36] * That_Wiki_Guy burps for pastebot [04:36] Appl6: heh.....my logs are getting kinda biggish with all that info, don't want to be packing 100MB blogs floating around. [04:36] That_Wiki_Guy LOL [04:38] dragondon: Lol [04:39] dragondon: It looks like iptables is logging all of its junk in /var/log/messages. [04:40] dragondon: I haven't been able to find a clean way to redirect iptables messages somewhere else. [04:40] I had tried (Ubuntu, no password) and (root, no password) ("username", "password") - Now I rebooted and after the ISOLINUX, it says loading...boot: and it freezes! [04:40] Appl6: so, no way to smack it around and say 'listen up.....'? [04:41] Chris____: Erh...what are you trying to do exactly? [04:41] Appl6: I suppose I could just filter them but that's only in logviewer... [04:41] dragondon: Here is a webpage that addresses that problem: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/force-iptables-to-log-messages-to-a-different-log-file.html [04:42] I was trying to install LUbuntu to an old Toshiba but I think the CD might have errors even though created with under 10X speed - Thanks anyway [04:42] dragondon: The proposed solution seems pretty hackish though. iptables messages are at a certain priority level, so he just redirects all messages of a certain priority level out of the main logs. But things other than iptables post messages at low priority, so you'll be redirecting random other stuff. [04:44] Appl6: oh, good think you mentioned that....I was just gonna try it but maybe not..... [04:44] dragondon: Yeah, I think I'd just take the 100MB logs =P. [04:45] Appl6: lots of space here......but thanks for the info, it'll at least give me some direction to look into. [04:46] dragondon: You're welcome; good luck. [04:47] Appl6: May the Google be with me :P [04:48] Appl6: Well, I'm sure there is some way to revser the logging option https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo#Logging [04:48] Appl6: Yeah that looks like a pretty good solution. I wonder what was up with the other guy's idea. [04:54] Appl6: found out that it's in my iptables rules to log such crap, now to figure out how to problerly tell it to not bother logging.. [05:00] Appl6: do you know how to properly delete stuff in iptables? Don't want to break it so that I can't ask questions any more :P [05:01] dragondon: Haha. Sorry, I know almost nothing about iptables. I configured one once a long time ago. [05:01] Appl6: yeah, guess I need to find some sorty of #ubuntu-intermedia channel? :) [05:01] intermediate.....ugh... [05:03] dragondon: Ha, I think there's an #ubuntu-server. [05:03] Appl6: that's more like #ubuntu-advanced for me! [05:04] dragondon: Yeah I know nothing about configuring servers and stuff; I'm just a code monkey. But iptables is right down their alley, so I think you'd get better help there. [05:05] Appl6: speaking of code monkey's......you any good with Wordpress PHP? [05:06] Appl6: Ha, no. I've never used wordpress or PHP. If you have a bug in existing code I might be able to puzzle it out, but not writing new code. [05:09] Appl6: (you always talk to yoursel? :P ) actually, looking to modify some code to implement a plugin, or need some way to certain parts of a plugin only to show to registered users. [05:09] dragondon: Hahaha, yes actually, far too often. I feel like a dunce every time, too. [05:09] anyone any idea why I'm getting 'permission denied' for this: sudo iptables-save > /etc/iptables.rules [05:10] Appl6: well, if you are female, you cna use the 'boobs with dunce cap' symple <3 :P [05:10] symbol..... [05:10] dragondon: I think it's because bash is doing "sudo iptables-save" redirected to /etc/iptables.rules. [05:12] dragondon: So I think you have to do "sudo 'iptables-save > /etc/iptables.rules'", maybe. [05:12] Appl6: ?? the command 'iptables-save > /etc/iptables.rules' is supposed to all the iptables to be saved to a file for backup.....when I got denied, I tried sudo and still nothing. checked, thefile isn't there just in case. [05:13] dragondon: What I'm saying is that ">" never made it to sudo. [05:14] Appl6: Oooohhh.....that would be odd wouldn't it? that's just a pipe for the iptables-save output. [05:14] dragondon: Your shell, bash, interprets the ">", so it said "Aha! This guy wants me to run iptables-save as superuser, then I should fall back to regular user, and try to save that in /etc/iptables.rules". [05:15] dragondon: But you need to be superuser to write to /etc like that. You can use single quotes to prevent bash from "messing" with your command. [05:17] Appl6: ok, where should I put the quotes.....if I do the whole thing, I get "bash: sudo iptables-save > /etc/iptables.rules: No such file or directory [05:17] ", if I do everything but sudo, I get "sudo: iptables-save > /etc/iptables.rules: command not found [05:17] " [05:17] ooh, wow....sorry paste bot....will remembe next time..... [05:18] here's a nice pretty link for you http://paste.ubuntu.com/430892/ [05:18] (whew....got that in before he noticed....) [05:18] dragondon: It's fine. If it's just like 2 or 3 lines there's no problem, especially given that no one else is talking. It's a problem if it's a lot of lines, or if other people are trying to talk and you're breaking up their conversations. [05:18] heh [05:20] dragondon: One sec. [05:20] Appl6: well, I'm just gonna give it a shot....if it break I'll just have to fix it.....again.... [05:20] dragondon: Give what a shot? [05:21] Appl6: running this command and hope that it works "iptables -D logdrop2 1" [05:21] dragondon: The easy solution to this is: [05:21] sudo su - [05:21] iptables-save > /etc/iptables.save [05:21] exit [05:21] nothing went' boom.....so I'm good.... [05:23] Appl6: woo-hoo....nothing in the log since "May 10 00:07:33" [05:23] dragondon: Nice. [05:23] Appl6: now to learn how to clear logs......after I sleep :) Thanks for yer help! [05:24] dragondon: You're quite welcome. Good luck with that. === swoody_ is now known as swoody [05:40] welcome Scouris [05:40] hallo [05:40] hey Scouris [05:43] * ZachK_ laughs at Scouris's quit message [05:44] * ddecator didn't get to see it [05:46] (11:42:03 PM) Scouris left the room (quit: Quit: I'll get my revenge on you, Remote Host! One day!). [05:58] heh [05:58] a rare gem that irssi is set to ignore [06:33] hello [06:33] sorry for my bad english [06:33] anyone have ubuntu 10.4 default source list? [06:44] why do people leave if they don't get a response within a few minutes? [06:44] because they have no patience [06:44] ddecator: people come here when they dont get it through google or they still havent googled [06:46] why dont the windows remember the last position they were in? [06:47] Phrea: some do. it's something programmed into each application separately [06:47] depends on whether the developers decided to include that "feature" or not [06:48] ddecator: the window manager should do that [06:48] it still amazes me that Gnome doesnt [06:50] It's always a surprize where my browser will open [06:50] the position in the desktop? [06:50] yes [06:50] I want my apps to remember their place [06:51] [place == position [06:51] ] [06:52] i've seen reports for this get filed upstream for apps, but the upstream developers have decided not to implement them for their own reasons [06:53] I know it can be done via Compiz, but Compiz shouldnt be necassary for Gnome to remember where Apps were closed the last time [06:53] ddecator: it's what users want/need [06:53] not what devvers think users want/need [06:53] grrr [06:54] we all want certain apps to open at a certain position [06:54] unfortunately it's the developers who make the final decisions though. i know some apps do support it (like nautilus) but several don't (like the terminal) [06:54] ddecator: yea [06:55] until then, Compiz seems to be the only answer [06:57] you can file wishlist bugs for individual applications if you want, but i wouldn't expect them to get much attention [06:59] ddecator: I want Gnome to take care of it, but that's apperantly almost a no go [07:12] two kernel installed in my PC [07:12] it shows in GRUB [07:12] I want to remove one [07:12] these are 2.6.32-21 [07:12] and another is 2.6.32.22 [07:12] and another is 2.6.32-22 [07:12] what can I do now? [07:12] due to this it shows a big chart!!! [07:12] in GRUB [07:12] what can I do now? [07:12] ubuntu tweak allows you to remove outdated kernels [07:14] you should not remove the kernel before your current one [07:14] ddecator: sudo apt-get install tweak [07:14] ddecator: I hve to install tweak? [07:14] ddecator: is it? [07:14] older ones, you can remove, but keep at least the next to last one handy [07:14] shahan: it's not in the repos: http://ubuntu-tweak.com/ [07:15] DO NOT delete all but the latest kernel [07:15] good morning team [07:15] you want something to fall back on, like a safety net [07:16] morning Akos [07:16] it does not load, it does not get in your way, and it's only a few MB's [07:16] is it morning? [07:16] it's always morning somewhere =) [07:17] oh no, it is morning ! [07:17] oh it is, 8:15 AM [07:17] Akos: here too [07:17] oh, CET are you? [07:17] apperantly ;) [07:17] yes I am [07:17] (: [07:18] Holland here [07:18] Phrea: send me some banket [07:18] Hungary here (: [07:19] :) [07:19] I think my cleaning lady is coming today.... :O [07:20] ...as in in a couple of hours :X [07:20] ddecator: sorry [07:20] ddecator: internet disconnected [07:21] shahan: that's fine [07:21] ddecator: but not getting it anywhere [07:22] the TWEAK [07:22] shahan: did you install it from the site? [07:22] ddecator: so... I have installed sudo apt-get install tweak [07:22] no [07:22] just from terminal [07:22] sudo apt-get install tweak [07:22] shahan: that won't work, ubuntu tweak isn't in the repositories. you have to get the .deb from their site [07:23] ddecator: ok...lettme check [07:26] http://ubuntu-tweak.com/ [07:26] get it from there [07:26] it doesnt seem too useful to me tho, but my gf thinks it's great [07:27] for those who don't like the terminal, it's useful, and especially windows people who got used to this kind of softwares [07:27] it's great for clearing the cache if you do a lot of testing on the machine (i upgrade at a3 of each release, so i love it) [07:28] ddecator: you mean ubu tweak? [07:28] my gf swears by it [07:28] and I dont get it at all [07:28] Phrea: well, ut and testing, haha [07:28] it's probably me :D [07:28] i only use ut for clearing my cache, config files, and removing extra kernels though [07:28] I just want my computers to work [07:29] dont care about testing, beta stuff, experimenting, etc etc [07:29] my gf lives on that 5h*t :D [07:30] it's a hobby, haha [07:30] indeed, and for me, my pc's just need to be able to do the jobs I ask them to do [07:30] that's it :D [07:32] my gf gets off on alpha's, pre beta's, beta's, rc's and god knows what else [07:32] she got several machines, dedicated to JUST that stuff :D [07:36] when my PC starts a box comes which ask for Keyring Password [07:37] "Enter password for keyring Default to unlock" [07:37] yes shahan, that is something normal (: [07:41] Akos: sorry [07:41] Akos: internet is making disturb [07:41] shahan_: no problem (: [07:42] Akos: so.... Keyring? [07:42] Akos: why it appers [07:42] Akos: ? [07:44] shahan_: because that is a security feature. To connect to a wifi, the password is stored in the keyring encrypted, to read the keyring you need a password, that's the password you're aksed [07:44] tronyx, enlighten me, who the fuck is this ajmorris you keep talking about? [07:44] never heard of him [07:44] Akos: ohhh... I am using WIFI [07:44] ehhh, wrong channel, sorry guys :P [07:44] shahan_: i know, that's why you're asked for the password [07:45] ajmorris_: yeah, i was wondering what's up with that language (: [07:45] Akos: for this its asking? [07:45] yes shahan_, for decryption [07:45] Akos: oooo [07:45] Akos: tnx === ajmorris_ is now known as ajmorris [07:45] you're welcome shahan_ (: [07:46] ddecator: ubuntu-tweak is now installed [07:46] ddecator: where to remover kernel? [07:46] shahan_: if you run it, go to Package Cleaner, then Clean Kernels, you can remove extra kernels [07:51] ddecator: ok... [07:51] ddecator: tnx [07:51] shahan_: no problem =) [07:55] damn!!! [07:56] PROFANITY !!!! [07:57] o wait, I'm actually not on ##club-ubuntu ;) [07:57] !!! [07:57] ohhhhhhh.... why internet is doing so... [07:58] :? [07:58] wireless strenght is excellent (Over 90%) [07:59] ok...? [07:59] am I missing something? [08:04] looking for some awesome ubuntu wallpaper of course high resolution [08:05] google? [08:05] Phrea: in google getting lots... [08:06] lots to chose from then :D [08:06] Phrea: but looking for something special collection [08:06] something you've seen before? [08:07] http://awesomewallpapers.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/ubuntu_matrix-16x10-2-1.png [08:07] that one is kinda epic :D [08:08] what's your resolution? [08:11] phrea: 1400*900 [08:12] http://www.google.com/images?q=ubuntu&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi#q=ubuntu&um=1&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&tbs=isch:1,isz:ex,iszw:1400,iszh:900&source=lnt [08:12] :D [08:13] http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&tbs=isch%3A1%2Cisz%3Aex%2Ciszw%3A1400%2Ciszh%3A900&sa=1&q=linux&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= [08:13] [yes, I'm bored :D ] [08:13] Phrea: tnx [08:14] you got widescreen, so anything will fit as long as it's your resolution or higher [08:14] I like the matrix one :D [08:14] hey nice matrix wallpaper. :) [08:14] boy_granada: indeed :D [08:14] chance hit [08:15] :) [08:16] Phrea: tnx [08:16] thank google :D [08:17] Phrea: I like this one http://keithlilja.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/1400x900-snowboard-wallpaper.jpg [08:17] however... I have to go now [08:17] that's a cool one [08:17]