[00:01] <kidtp> hey zachk_
[00:01] <kidtp> i was eating dinner
[00:03] <Impunity> I freaking love IP tables
[00:03] <Impunity> It's how a firewall is supposed to be
[00:03] <Impunity> <open for debate>
[00:04] <kidtp> does linux need a firewall?
[00:04] <Impunity> need...
[00:04] <Impunity> nobody needs a firewall
[00:05] <ZachK_> kidtp: no...ubuntu has no need of any virus software and or firewall
[00:05] <phillw> kidtp: ubuntu is fully firewalled by default
[00:05] <Impunity> If you know how to form null flag and craft packets at layer 3 you can do a lot of damage
[00:05] <Impunity> its fire wall is what UFW?
[00:06] <kidtp> but who would be that bored and mean?
[00:06] <Impunity> which runs iptables under the hood :P
[00:06] <Impunity> I do write packets, only to layer 3 though
[00:06] <Impunity> I use Pascal and don't have a linker for making drivers
[00:06] <Impunity> :P
[00:06] <Impunity> need C for that
[00:07] <Impunity> Plus, you need an older system if you want to do it on Windows
[00:07] <Impunity> SP2 drops malformed headers
[00:07] <Impunity> SP1 is good for it
[00:08] <Impunity> Plus, you need to put 2 months into learning winsock
[00:08] <Impunity> minimum
[00:08] <phillw> kidtp: head over to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=510812 to get a feel of how ubuntu & security work
[00:09] <kidtp> phillw: thanks ill check it out
[00:09] <kidtp> impunity: do you know anything about microphones and skype?
[00:10] <Impunity> Not for Ubuntu
[00:10] <kidtp> oh ok
[00:10] <Impunity> I am a newbie with Linux
[00:10] <Impunity> I just use Ubuntu server anyway
[00:11] <Impunity> greatest thing since sliced bread
[00:11] <phillw> Impunity: With 10.04 there is a new manual out, head over to http://ubuntu-manual.org/ for more details. (Oh, it's good :-) )
[00:12] <Impunity> Thanks, Phill but I understand most of what I need, now.
[00:12] <Impunity> I was here for Linux routing questions, but I already figured it out...
[00:13] <Impunity> You guys want an excellent tutorial on iptables?
[00:13] <kidtp> are there any commands i should put in right now that are important or nice to use for ubuntu? i already have the flash one
[00:13] <Impunity> Makes it really easy to understand.
[00:13] <Impunity> learn "find"
[00:13] <Impunity> and "grep"
[00:13] <Impunity> "ps"
[00:14] <Impunity> oh, and "sudo" lol
[00:14] <phillw> Impunity: that guide is there for you, then, if you want specifics of routing then you will need to narrow down on the things you need for your network
[00:14] <kidtp> find obviously means find and grep i think means get? i used all but ps yesterday
[00:15] <phillw> well, without wishing to put a dampner on thigs, could i also adise that you read http://ubuntuforums.org/announcement.php?f=336
[00:15] <phillw> Sadly, it is something you should be aware of it.
[00:17] <Impunity> lol the old rm trick?
[00:17] <phillw> forum staff, and those with a few beans can be trusted, but do take note of it.
[00:17] <ZachK_> phillw: i always post the source of the code if i even put code for use on the forums
[00:17] <ZachK_> that way it's verifiable
[00:18] <phillw> and other hacks to put in a admin user into your system
[00:18] <phillw> ZachK_: i use http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=57 on my baby forum
[00:18] <Impunity> The one snip with all the hex values is quite obvious
[00:18] <Impunity> If you go to milworm and metaspolit and spend some time, you can learn a lot
[00:18] <phillw> Impunity: for a n00b? - I beg to differ
[00:21] <Impunity> I will give an e-cookie to the first person to find a good tutorial for setting up an ubuntu time server and how to connect clients to it.
[00:22] <kidtp> you could probly type in on bing
[00:22] <phillw> idk what "time server" is.
[00:22] <Impunity> It's not like I didn't look for it
[00:23] <Impunity> I used on on the Ubuntu forums, however, it was pretty short and not welll explained
[00:23] <Impunity> I think the issue was the fact the server was only broadcasting
[00:24] <Impunity> I was trying to link clients from another subnet....not sure why that would be an issue
[00:24] <phillw> Impunity: you ahve not been to http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=339 ??
[00:24] <phillw> /s/ahve/have
[00:24] <Impunity> Nope, Phill
[00:24] <phillw> Impunity: I can recommend it :-)
[00:25] <Impunity> Looking at it now, pimp.
[00:25] <Impunity> Actually, this is where I got the NTP setup
[00:26] <Impunity> It was like 25 lines and not really clear
[00:26] <phillw> bodhi's thread may be a good one to follow, if you have questions, that is a good place to post questions
[00:27] <Impunity> checkin it
[00:29] <phillw> Impunity: well I'm sure that 17,000+ people cannot be wrong ;-)
[00:29] <Impunity> give me the link, I could not get the search to turn up his post
[00:29] <Impunity> Please, ;P
[00:30] <Impunity> what did you do for a search, I used NTP server and used poster bodhi
[00:30] <Impunity> What! you mean humans don't have 3 ears?
[00:31] <Appl6> Impunity: This looks like it might be helpful: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=862620
[00:32] <Impunity> That's an excellent one App
[00:32] <Impunity> thanks, chief
[00:33] <Appl6> Impunity: You're quite welcome.  If you were interested in improving your google-fu, I searched for "setup ubuntu ntp server", and it was the 3rd hit.
[00:43] <Phrea> good people of #ubuntu-beginners, a year ago I did my first serious Linux install and promised myself to stick with it, today,  I can announce that I migrated the last windows box I had to Linux, I am from now on 100% Windows free [no dualboot either ! :D ]
[00:43] <Phrea> you guys rock !
[00:44] <nhandler> That is great news Phrea
[00:44] <Phrea> for me it is indeed, I'm very very happy
[00:44] <Phrea> I don't use any native windows programs anymore, so I thought to myself: why the heck not?
[00:44] <Appl6> Phrea: Haha, congratulations.
[00:45] <phillw> Phrea: kewl, welome to the 100% club - just converted my Mum to lubuntu couple of days back. :-D
[00:45] <Phrea> haha, cool :D
[00:45] <Phrea> I wont convert anybody, certainly not my parents tho, no need
[00:46] <Phrea> phillw: Lubuntu, when will that officially come out?
[00:46] <Phrea> with Meerkat or so?
[00:46] <phillw> my mum uses my old laptop, it was taking 2-3 minutes to boot with XP (anti virus stuff, etc), with lubuntu it is 20 seconds - my Mum is impressed ;-)
[00:46] <Phrea> or did you just do an alternate install and chose lxde?
[00:47] <Phrea> phillw: my pc does take quite a while to boot tho, going to look into that
[00:47] <dragondon> greetings all!
[00:48] <Phrea> I think around maybe 40 to 50 seconds, which is WAY too slow for a quad cpu/4gb machine
[00:48] <phillw> Phrea: it will be adopted when canonical and the lubuntu devs are quite happy. with the complete re-write of pcmanfm, there was not a snowball in a hot place chance it would meet the 10.04
[00:48] <dragondon> I am trying to figure out firewall stuff and my syslog showing a TON of dropped packets.  Any reason why it's seems to be dropping so many?
[00:48] <Phrea> phillw: haha
[00:48] <phillw> Phrea: do a check with ureadahead
[00:49] <Phrea> one can use the Alternate cd for such installs too, cant one?
[00:49] <Phrea> I'll go and read up again :D
[00:50] <phillw> Phrea: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1434502 cover ureadahead, yes you can use mini-iso if you have less than 160MB of RAM
[00:51] <Phrea> I'm looking into that for a server install [I need a gui, even on a server]
[00:52] <phillw> Phrea: join #lubuntu
[00:52] <Phrea> maybe when I'm ready, for now I'm very happy with the fact that all my boxes now are dedicated linux machines :D
[00:53] <Phrea> I do have a question tho...
[00:53] <Phrea> there's a big data disk in this machine, it's of course still NTFS and I want to switch to ext
[00:53] <phillw> one guy is already using it on a thin blade server, requires less than 50% of the RAM per user
[00:54] <Phrea> phillw: maybe at a later stage :)
[00:54] <Phrea> is there a safe way to convert a FS live?
[00:54] <Phrea> or should I go and move stuff around to convert the partitions on that disk?
[00:54] <phillw> Phrea: there is no real need to change it, you may gain some speed advantage, but it should not really be your bottle neck on a system
[00:55] <Phrea> phillw: and it's equally stable and usable on a linux system?
[00:56] <Phrea> if there's no need, why take risks with data, right :)
[00:56] <phillw> yeah, ntfs is a fairly stable system, chkdsk can recover most errors just as fsck does for linux disk formats
[00:56] <Phrea> true enough :)
[00:56] <Phrea> thanks
[00:56] <phillw> Phrea: not unless you had backed it up, no. I would advise to stick
[00:57] <Phrea> I havent backed it all up no, it's too much
[00:57] <Phrea> only backup truely important files, no audio/video etc
[00:57] <Phrea> I'll stick with it :)
[00:57] <phillw> then, do not go for doing surgery on your hard drive(s)
[00:57] <Phrea> haha, ok :D
[00:57] <Phrea> thanks !
[00:58] <Phrea> I'm going to have a celebratory beer :D
[00:59]  * phillw going for a ciggie
[01:00] <Phrea> later :)
[01:04]  * phillw on #lubuntu
[04:05] <Chris____> Hi, I am trying to install LUbuntu and it is asking for a username and password?
[04:08] <Appl6> Chris____: At what point is it asking for a username and password?
[04:08] <Appl6> Chris____: When you're trying to login to the liveCD, or during the install process?
[04:08] <Chris____> I am trying to install
[04:09] <Chris____> using the live CD but I have see no menus
[04:10] <Appl6> Chris____: I don't understand.  Have you booted into the liveCD successfully?  Can you open Firefox, open a terminal, do you see a desktop?
[04:12] <Chris____> No, I see no graphics environment
[04:14] <Chris____> I rebooted again - Now I see the ISOLINUX message
[04:14] <That_Wiki_Guy> Sup team
[04:15] <Appl6> Chris____: OK.  So you stay at a terminal and then at some point it asks you for a username?
[04:15] <Chris____> Correct
[04:17] <Appl6> Chris____: Well, sorry, I've never used lubuntu.  But I can give you some things to try.
[04:17] <Appl6> Chris____: username: ubuntu, no password
[04:18] <Appl6> Chris____: username: liveuser, no password
[04:18] <Appl6> Chris____: username: lubuntu, no password
[04:18] <pedro3005> try no username, no password
[04:18] <pedro3005> try root, no password
[04:18] <pedro3005> and #lubuntu
[04:19] <dragondon> hey all, looking for some help in diagnosing all these 'dropped' messages in my logs.
[04:19] <dragondon> should they be there at all?
[04:20] <dragondon> i.e " DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.1.9 DST=192.168.1.255 LEN=209 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=631 DPT=631 LEN=189 "
[04:20] <That_Wiki_Guy> !pastebin | dragondon
[04:20] <Votebot> dragondon: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com
[04:21] <Appl6> It's one line of output, are you really asking for a pastebin for that?
 don't use IRC much, good reminder though.
[04:23] <dragondon> http://paste.ubuntu.com/430872/  :)
[04:23] <Appl6> dragondon: Sorry, all I can tell you is that those are UDP packets, so it _may_ be a network issue.  Dropped packets are a fact of life, but I don't know if those showed up in the logs because they're important.  Or maybe you have too many dropped packets.
[04:24] <dragondon> thanks Apl6, but it happening every few seconds....anywhere from 1 to 20 seconds these message show up.
[04:25] <dragondon> Doh...Appl6 I meant obviously.
[04:26] <Appl6> dragondon: Haha it's fine.  Which logs were you looking in?
[04:27] <dragondon> Apple6:  syslog/messages.  Being new to Linux, I am trying to understand logs and what should/shouldn't be in them, what is normal/should be concerned about.  Seems to be about 5-6 per minute at least.  If this is normal, then how to I tell the system to ignore it?
[04:28] <Appl6> dragondon: Do you mean /var/log/messages?
[04:29] <dragondon> sorry, I meant the syslog and messages.  Using the logviewer app.
[04:29] <Appl6> dragondon: Oh.
[04:29] <dragondon> obviously one is the echoof another
[04:31] <Appl6> dragondon: Sorry, Pidgin crashed =\.
[04:31] <dragondon> Appl6:  s'okay....you dropped more than a few pakcets :P
[04:31] <Appl6> dragondon: Hahaha.
[04:32] <Appl6> dragondon: Could you paste one line of the errors you were getting, please?
[04:32] <Appl6> dragondon: I lost it with the crash.
[04:33] <dragondon> http://paste.ubuntu.com/430875/  satisfying the paste-bot :P
[04:33] <Appl6> dragondon: Haha, yeah thanks.
[04:35] <dragondon> waiting for paste-bot to burb now after being fed :P
[04:35] <Appl6> dragondon: Well, I don't have any DROPPED messages in my logs.
[04:35] <Appl6> dragondon: Which of course makes you feel better.
[04:36]  * That_Wiki_Guy burps for pastebot
[04:36] <dragondon> Appl6:  heh.....my logs are getting kinda biggish with all that info, don't want to be packing 100MB blogs floating around.
[04:36] <dragondon> That_Wiki_Guy LOL
[04:38] <That_Wiki_Guy> dragondon: Lol
[04:39] <Appl6> dragondon: It looks like iptables is logging all of its junk in /var/log/messages.
[04:40] <Appl6> dragondon: I haven't been able to find a clean way to redirect iptables messages somewhere else.
[04:40] <Chris____> I had tried (Ubuntu, no password) and (root, no password) ("username", "password")  - Now I rebooted and after the ISOLINUX, it says loading...boot: and it freezes!
[04:40] <dragondon> Appl6: so, no way to smack it around and say 'listen up.....'?
[04:41] <That_Wiki_Guy> Chris____: Erh...what are you trying to do exactly?
[04:41] <dragondon> Appl6: I suppose I could just filter them but that's only in logviewer...
[04:41] <Appl6> dragondon: Here is a webpage that addresses that problem: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/force-iptables-to-log-messages-to-a-different-log-file.html
[04:42] <Chris____> I was trying to install LUbuntu to an old Toshiba but I think the CD might have errors even though created with under 10X speed - Thanks anyway
[04:42] <Appl6> dragondon: The proposed solution seems pretty hackish though.  iptables messages are at a certain priority level, so he just redirects all messages of a certain priority level out of the main logs.  But things other than iptables post messages at low priority, so you'll be redirecting random other stuff.
[04:44] <dragondon> Appl6: oh, good think you mentioned that....I was just gonna try it but maybe not.....
[04:44] <Appl6> dragondon: Yeah, I think I'd just take the 100MB logs =P.
[04:45] <dragondon> Appl6: lots of space here......but thanks for the info, it'll at least give me some direction to look into.
[04:46] <Appl6> dragondon: You're welcome; good luck.
[04:47] <dragondon> Appl6: May the Google be with me :P
[04:48] <dragondon> Appl6: Well, I'm sure there is some way to revser the logging option  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo#Logging
[04:48] <Appl6> Appl6: Yeah that looks like a pretty good solution.  I wonder what was up with the other guy's idea.
[04:54] <dragondon> Appl6: found out that it's in my iptables rules to log such crap, now to figure out how to problerly tell it to not bother logging..
[05:00] <dragondon> Appl6: do you know how to properly delete stuff in iptables?  Don't want to break it so that I can't ask questions any more :P
[05:01] <Appl6> dragondon: Haha.  Sorry, I know almost nothing about iptables.  I configured one once a long time ago.
[05:01] <dragondon> Appl6: yeah, guess I need to find some sorty of #ubuntu-intermedia channel?  :)
[05:01] <dragondon> intermediate.....ugh...
[05:03] <Appl6> dragondon: Ha, I think there's an #ubuntu-server.
[05:03] <dragondon> Appl6: that's more like #ubuntu-advanced for me!
[05:04] <Appl6> dragondon: Yeah I know nothing about configuring servers and stuff; I'm just a code monkey.  But iptables is right down their alley, so I think you'd get better help there.
[05:05] <dragondon> Appl6: speaking of code monkey's......you any good with Wordpress PHP?
[05:06] <Appl6> Appl6: Ha, no.  I've never used wordpress or PHP.  If you have a bug in existing code I might be able to puzzle it out, but not writing new code.
[05:09] <dragondon> Appl6: (you always talk to yoursel? :P  )  actually, looking to modify some code to implement a plugin, or need some way to certain parts of a plugin only to show to registered users.
[05:09] <Appl6> dragondon: Hahaha, yes actually, far too often.  I feel like a dunce every time, too.
[05:09] <dragondon> anyone any idea why I'm getting 'permission denied' for this: sudo iptables-save > /etc/iptables.rules
[05:10] <dragondon> Appl6: well, if you are female, you cna use the 'boobs with dunce cap' symple <3  :P
[05:10] <dragondon> symbol.....
[05:10] <Appl6> dragondon: I think it's because bash is doing "sudo iptables-save" redirected to /etc/iptables.rules.
[05:12] <Appl6> dragondon: So I think you have to do "sudo 'iptables-save > /etc/iptables.rules'", maybe.
[05:12] <dragondon> Appl6: ??  the command 'iptables-save > /etc/iptables.rules' is supposed to all the iptables to be saved to a file for backup.....when I got denied, I tried sudo and still nothing.  checked, thefile isn't there just in case.
[05:13] <Appl6> dragondon: What I'm saying is that ">" never made it to sudo.
[05:14] <dragondon> Appl6: Oooohhh.....that would be odd wouldn't it?  that's just a pipe for the iptables-save output.
[05:14] <Appl6> dragondon: Your shell, bash, interprets the ">", so it said "Aha!  This guy wants me to run iptables-save as superuser, then I should fall back to regular user, and try to save that in /etc/iptables.rules".
[05:15] <Appl6> dragondon: But you need to be superuser to write to /etc like that.  You can use single quotes to prevent bash from "messing" with your command.
[05:17] <dragondon> Appl6: ok, where should I put the quotes.....if I do the whole thing, I get "bash: sudo iptables-save > /etc/iptables.rules: No such file or directory
[05:17] <dragondon> ", if I do everything but sudo, I get "sudo: iptables-save > /etc/iptables.rules: command not found
[05:17] <dragondon> "
[05:17] <dragondon> ooh, wow....sorry paste bot....will remembe next time.....
[05:18] <dragondon> here's a nice pretty link for you  http://paste.ubuntu.com/430892/
[05:18] <dragondon> (whew....got that in before he noticed....)
[05:18] <Appl6> dragondon: It's fine.  If it's just like 2 or 3 lines there's no problem, especially given that no one else is talking.  It's a problem if it's a lot of lines, or if other people are trying to talk and you're breaking up their conversations.
[05:18] <dragondon> heh
[05:20] <Appl6> dragondon: One sec.
[05:20] <dragondon> Appl6: well, I'm just gonna give it a shot....if it break<shrug> I'll just have to fix it.....again....
[05:20] <Appl6> dragondon: Give what a shot?
[05:21] <dragondon> Appl6: running this command and hope that it works "iptables -D logdrop2 1"
[05:21] <Appl6> dragondon: The easy solution to this is:
[05:21] <Appl6> sudo su -
[05:21] <Appl6> iptables-save > /etc/iptables.save
[05:21] <Appl6> exit
[05:21] <dragondon> nothing went' boom.....so I'm good....
[05:23] <dragondon> Appl6: woo-hoo....nothing in the log since "May 10 00:07:33"
[05:23] <Appl6> dragondon: Nice.
[05:23] <dragondon> Appl6: now to learn how to clear logs......after I sleep :)  Thanks for yer help!
[05:24] <Appl6> dragondon: You're quite welcome.  Good luck with that.
[05:40] <ZachK_> welcome Scouris
[05:40] <Scouris> hallo
[05:40] <ddecator> hey Scouris
[05:43]  * ZachK_ laughs at Scouris's quit message
[05:44]  * ddecator didn't get to see it
[05:46] <ZachK_> (11:42:03 PM) Scouris left the room (quit: Quit: I'll get my revenge on you, Remote Host! One day!).
[05:58] <ddecator> heh
[05:58] <ddecator> a rare gem that irssi is set to ignore
[06:33] <sipsep> hello
[06:33] <sipsep> sorry for my bad english
[06:33] <sipsep> anyone have ubuntu 10.4 default source list?
[06:44] <ddecator> why do people leave if they don't get a response within a few minutes?
[06:44] <mysteriousdarren> because they have no patience
[06:44] <nigelbabu> ddecator: people come here when they dont get it through google or they still havent googled
[06:46] <Phrea> why dont the windows remember the last position they were in?
[06:47] <ddecator> Phrea: some do. it's something programmed into each application separately
[06:47] <ddecator> depends on whether the developers decided to include that "feature" or not
[06:48] <Phrea> ddecator: the window manager should do that
[06:48] <Phrea> it still amazes me that Gnome doesnt
[06:50] <Phrea> It's always a surprize where my browser will open
[06:50] <boy_granada> the position in the desktop?
[06:50] <Phrea> yes
[06:50] <Phrea> I want my apps to remember their place
[06:51] <Phrea> [place == position
[06:51] <Phrea> ]
[06:52] <ddecator> i've seen reports for this get filed upstream for apps, but the upstream developers have decided not to implement them for their own reasons
[06:53] <Phrea> I know it can be done via Compiz, but Compiz shouldnt be necassary for Gnome to remember where Apps were closed the last time
[06:53] <Phrea> ddecator: it's what users want/need
[06:53] <Phrea> not what devvers think users want/need
[06:53] <Phrea> grrr
[06:54] <Phrea> we all want certain apps to open at a certain position
[06:54] <ddecator> unfortunately it's the developers who make the final decisions though. i know some apps do support it (like nautilus) but several don't (like the terminal)
[06:54] <Phrea> ddecator: yea
[06:55] <Phrea> until then, Compiz seems to be the only answer
[06:57] <ddecator> you can file wishlist bugs for individual applications if you want, but i wouldn't expect them to get much attention
[06:59] <Phrea> ddecator: I want Gnome to take care of it, but that's apperantly almost a no go
[07:12] <shahan> two kernel installed in my PC
[07:12] <shahan> it shows in GRUB
[07:12] <shahan> I want to remove one
[07:12] <shahan> these are 2.6.32-21
[07:12] <shahan> and another is 2.6.32.22
[07:12] <shahan> and another is 2.6.32-22
[07:12] <shahan> what can I do now?
[07:12] <shahan> due to this it shows a big chart!!!
[07:12] <shahan> in GRUB
[07:12] <shahan> what can I do now?
[07:12] <ddecator> ubuntu tweak allows you to remove outdated kernels
[07:14] <Phrea> you should not remove the kernel before your current one
[07:14] <shahan> ddecator: sudo apt-get install tweak
[07:14] <shahan> ddecator: I hve to install tweak?
[07:14] <shahan> ddecator: is it?
[07:14] <Phrea> older ones, you can remove, but keep at least the next to last one handy
[07:14] <ddecator> shahan: it's not in the repos: http://ubuntu-tweak.com/
[07:15] <Phrea> DO NOT delete all but the latest kernel
[07:15] <Akos> good morning team
[07:15] <Phrea> you want something to fall back on, like a safety net
[07:16] <ddecator> morning Akos
[07:16] <Phrea> it does not load, it does not get in your way, and it's only a few MB's
[07:16] <Phrea> is it morning?
[07:16] <ddecator> it's always morning somewhere =)
[07:17] <Phrea> oh no, it is morning !
[07:17] <Akos> oh it is, 8:15 AM
[07:17] <Phrea> Akos: here too
[07:17] <Akos> oh, CET are you?
[07:17] <Phrea> apperantly ;)
[07:17] <Phrea> yes I am
[07:17] <Akos> (:
[07:18] <Phrea> Holland here
[07:18] <ddecator> Phrea: send me some banket
[07:18] <Akos> Hungary here (:
[07:19] <Phrea> :)
[07:19] <Phrea> I think my cleaning lady is coming today.... :O
[07:20] <Phrea> ...as in in a couple of hours :X
[07:20] <shahan> ddecator: sorry
[07:20] <shahan> ddecator: internet disconnected
[07:21] <ddecator> shahan: that's fine
[07:21] <shahan> ddecator: but not getting it anywhere
[07:22] <shahan> the TWEAK
[07:22] <ddecator> shahan: did you install it from the site?
[07:22] <shahan> ddecator: so... I have installed sudo apt-get install tweak
[07:22] <shahan> no
[07:22] <shahan> just from terminal
[07:22] <shahan> sudo apt-get install tweak
[07:22] <ddecator> shahan: that won't work, ubuntu tweak isn't in the repositories. you have to get the .deb from their site
[07:23] <shahan> ddecator: ok...lettme check
[07:26] <Phrea> http://ubuntu-tweak.com/
[07:26] <Phrea> get it from there
[07:26] <Phrea> it doesnt seem too useful to me tho, but my gf thinks it's great
[07:27] <Akos> for those who don't like the terminal, it's useful, and especially windows people who got used to this kind of softwares
[07:27] <ddecator> it's great for clearing the cache if you do a lot of testing on the machine (i upgrade at a3 of each release, so i love it)
[07:28] <Phrea> ddecator: you mean ubu tweak?
[07:28] <Phrea> my gf swears by it
[07:28] <Phrea> and I dont get it at all
[07:28] <ddecator> Phrea: well, ut and testing, haha
[07:28] <Phrea> it's probably me :D
[07:28] <ddecator> i only use ut for clearing my cache, config files, and removing extra kernels though
[07:28] <Phrea> I just want my computers to work
[07:29] <Phrea> dont care about testing, beta stuff, experimenting, etc etc
[07:29] <Phrea> my gf lives on that 5h*t :D
[07:30] <ddecator> it's a hobby, haha
[07:30] <Phrea> indeed, and for me, my pc's just need to be able to do the jobs I ask them to do
[07:30] <Phrea> that's it :D
[07:32] <Phrea> my gf gets off on alpha's, pre beta's, beta's, rc's and god knows what else
[07:32] <Phrea> she got several machines, dedicated to JUST that stuff :D
[07:36] <shahan> when my PC starts a box comes which ask for Keyring Password
[07:37] <shahan> "Enter password for keyring Default to unlock"
[07:37] <Akos> yes shahan, that is something normal (:
[07:41] <shahan_> Akos: sorry
[07:41] <shahan_> Akos: internet is making disturb
[07:41] <Akos> shahan_: no problem (:
[07:42] <shahan_> Akos: so.... Keyring?
[07:42] <shahan_> Akos: why it appers
[07:42] <shahan_> Akos: ?
[07:44] <Akos> shahan_: because that is a security feature. To connect to a wifi, the password is stored in the keyring encrypted, to read the keyring you need a password, that's the password you're aksed
[07:44] <ajmorris_> tronyx, enlighten me, who the fuck is this ajmorris you keep talking about?
[07:44] <ajmorris_> never heard of him
[07:44] <shahan_> Akos: ohhh... I am using WIFI
[07:44] <ajmorris_> ehhh, wrong channel, sorry guys :P
[07:44] <Akos> shahan_: i know, that's why you're asked for the password
[07:45] <Akos> ajmorris_: yeah, i was wondering what's up with that language (:
[07:45] <shahan_> Akos: for this its asking?
[07:45] <Akos> yes shahan_, for decryption
[07:45] <shahan_> Akos: oooo
[07:45] <shahan_> Akos: tnx
[07:45] <Akos> you're welcome shahan_ (:
[07:46] <shahan_> ddecator: ubuntu-tweak is now installed
[07:46] <shahan_> ddecator: where to remover kernel?
[07:46] <ddecator> shahan_: if you run it, go to Package Cleaner, then Clean Kernels, you can remove extra kernels
[07:51] <shahan_> ddecator: ok...
[07:51] <shahan_> ddecator: tnx
[07:51] <ddecator> shahan_: no problem =)
[07:55] <shahan_> damn!!!
[07:56] <Phrea> PROFANITY !!!!
[07:57] <Phrea> o wait, I'm actually not on ##club-ubuntu ;)
[07:57] <shahan_> !!!
[07:57] <shahan_> ohhhhhhh.... why internet is doing so...
[07:58] <Phrea> :?
[07:58] <shahan_> wireless strenght is excellent (Over 90%)
[07:59] <Phrea> ok...?
[07:59] <Phrea> am I missing something?
[08:04] <shahan_> looking for some awesome ubuntu wallpaper of course high resolution
[08:05] <Phrea> google?
[08:05] <shahan_> Phrea: in google getting lots...
[08:06] <Phrea> lots to chose from then :D
[08:06] <shahan_> Phrea: but looking for something special collection
[08:06] <Phrea> something you've seen before?
[08:07] <Phrea> http://awesomewallpapers.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/ubuntu_matrix-16x10-2-1.png
[08:07] <Phrea> that one is kinda epic :D
[08:08] <Phrea> what's your resolution?
[08:11] <shahan_> phrea: 1400*900
[08:12] <Phrea> http://www.google.com/images?q=ubuntu&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi#q=ubuntu&um=1&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&tbs=isch:1,isz:ex,iszw:1400,iszh:900&source=lnt
[08:12] <Phrea> :D
[08:13] <Phrea> http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&tbs=isch%3A1%2Cisz%3Aex%2Ciszw%3A1400%2Ciszh%3A900&sa=1&q=linux&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
[08:13] <Phrea> [yes, I'm bored :D ]
[08:13] <shahan_> Phrea: tnx
[08:14] <Phrea> you got widescreen, so anything will fit as long as it's your resolution or higher
[08:14] <Phrea> I like the matrix one :D
[08:14] <boy_granada> hey nice matrix wallpaper. :)
[08:14] <Phrea> boy_granada: indeed :D
[08:14] <Phrea> chance hit
[08:15] <Phrea> :)
[08:16] <shahan_> Phrea: tnx
[08:16] <Phrea> thank google :D
[08:17] <shahan_> Phrea: I like this one http://keithlilja.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/1400x900-snowboard-wallpaper.jpg
[08:17] <shahan_> however... I have to go now
[08:17] <Phrea> that's a cool one
[08:17] <Phrea> ok dude, have a good one :)
[08:17] <shahan_> see u agian
[08:17] <shahan_> bey
[08:19] <Phrea> now, if you good people will direct me to a good wallpaper for a dualmonitor setup, [1280x1024] I'd be most grateful :P
[08:20] <Phrea> [2560x1024 for the wallpaper, for those of us who forgot how to count]
[08:29] <nigelbabu> wohooo UDS!
[08:30] <ddecator> i know right?!
[08:31]  * nigelbabu is so excited
[09:52] <Lady_Madonna> Hey komputes_ubuntu
[09:54] <komputes_ubuntu> hi Lady_Madonna
[09:55] <Lady_Madonna> Hello komputes_ubuntu =]
[11:13] <ibuclaw> Haiku FTW!
[11:14] <Appl6> ibuclaw: Oh wow, I forgot about that.  Are you using it?
[11:14] <ibuclaw> Appl6: yessir indeedy
[11:16] <Appl6> ibuclaw: I think I'll wait for it to be more stable.  I used to be a bleeding edge Gentoo, Arch person, but that person is long gone =).
[11:17] <ibuclaw> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9272450#post9272450
[11:17] <ibuclaw> Appl6: indeed, I am limiting it to pendrive testing, but works on my Netbook flawlessly
[11:18] <ibuclaw> flawlessly, as in I haven't done enough to break it yet =)
[11:18] <ibuclaw> afaik, WPA wireless isn't supported. But that is not needed where I currently am.
[11:19] <ibuclaw> wireless is working perfectly A-OK in this open wifi spot
[11:19] <Appl6> ibuclaw: Sounds cool; I remember I was watching it before you could even test without major internal knowledge.
[11:20] <Appl6> ibuclaw: Then I got kinda sick of the incessant breakage and reconfiguration required for the ever-changing software on Linux.
[11:20] <Appl6> ibuclaw: Which makes the Haiku approach sound pretty excellent, but once they get out of alphas I'll probably give it a shot.
[11:23]  * ibuclaw is gonna have a look round for their gcc toolchain - got to see if gdc will build and compile in it.
[11:24] <Appl6> ibuclaw: Ha, another thing I was meaning to check out, D.
[11:24] <Appl6> ibuclaw: Anything else you wanted to remind me of? XD
[11:26] <ibuclaw> Appl6: you forgot to check the electric meter this morning.
[11:28] <ibuclaw> Appl6: I think you have just had the misfortune of bumping into a Haiku loving, GDC Maintainer for Debian/Ubuntu today. ;)
[11:29] <Appl6> ibuclaw: Haha.
[11:30] <ibuclaw> I'm also a Staffer of the Ubuntu forums, and a Council Member of this team.
[11:30] <ibuclaw> I think that is all my credentials layed out ...
[11:36] <Lady_Madonna> Isn't it still an alpha ibuclaw  ?
[11:36] <ibuclaw> Yepo
[11:37] <Lady_Madonna> Thought so
[11:37] <ibuclaw> doesn't stop me from running it.
[11:37] <Lady_Madonna> Is it compatibile with  BeOS?
[11:37] <ibuclaw> come to think of it, nothing has really stopped me from running it
[11:37] <ibuclaw> Yepo
[11:37] <Lady_Madonna> Nice
[11:37] <ibuclaw> (*it* being an alias for anything you can think of)
[11:40] <Lady_Madonna> Is the OS aimed at desktop or netbook market?  Or is it both ?
[11:40] <ibuclaw> Lady_Madonna: dunno
[11:40] <ibuclaw> It's lightweight (can run well on a PII)
[11:40] <Lady_Madonna> Yes,  I am just looking at the website
[11:41] <ibuclaw> haven't honestly looked too much into their future goals
[11:42] <ibuclaw> ReactOS I know a little more about, but only enough to say they are aiming for the ARM / Thin Client market.
[11:42] <Lady_Madonna> I should probably email the site developers
[11:42] <Lady_Madonna> The font is awful
[11:42] <ibuclaw> heh
[11:42] <Lady_Madonna> http://www.haiku-os.org/about
[11:54] <Appl6> ibuclaw: Wait, this is a team channel?  Should I leave?
[11:54] <Lady_Madonna> You are welcome to stay Appl6  =]
[11:56] <Akos> oh Lady_Madonna :D Nice to see you back *hugs*
[11:56] <Lady_Madonna> Thank you
[12:23] <Appl6> linux fics
[14:11] <rraj_be> hello lukjad86
[15:32] <Lady_Madonna> Back later
[15:57] <EnSou> hi, i'm installing ubuntu-restricted-extras and it's stuck at flashplayer-installer process. it says archive.canonical.com cannot be reached. is there any other way to obtain flash plugin from anywhere else ?
[16:03] <leoquant> hi EnSou did you install other stuff via ubuntu restr. without errors?
[16:04] <EnSou> there were no other errors that i saw
[16:04] <EnSou> just flashplugin-installer
[16:05] <leoquant> norm. an archive cannot be reached error is a server error
[16:05] <leoquant> 404
[16:05] <leoquant> so you got sun java without errors?
[16:06] <EnSou> no errors on java or fonts
[16:06] <leoquant> you did sign the jaca license?
[16:06] <leoquant> v
[16:06] <EnSou> nor on gstreamer codecs
[16:07] <leoquant> some forget to do so, it breaks apt
[16:08] <EnSou> the dpkg tried reaching archive.canonical.com 10 times and then it gave up
[16:08] <EnSou> that was it
[16:08] <leoquant> EnSou run a sudo apt-get update/upgrade are there errors?
[16:11] <EnSou> error upon retrieving from http://archive.canonical.com:80 - (110: Connection timed out)
[16:11] <EnSou> just this error
[16:11] <EnSou> the upgrade seems to be fine, no error reported
[16:11] <leoquant> then just wait a while, or change the server via softwaresources
[16:12] <leoquant> ok?
[16:12]  * EnSou switches from his local server to main server
[16:14] <EnSou> ah... it failed on the same timeout
[16:14] <EnSou> i guess i'll have to wait for the server to be up and running again
[16:15] <leoquant> yes
[16:16] <EnSou> thanks a lot leoquant, you've just killed my anxiety
[16:17] <leoquant> :)
[16:17] <leoquant> back later
[16:42] <LzrdKing> how can i save the size, position and layer (always on top) of an xterm running a shellscript in openbox so i don't have to keep setting it up everytime i launch X?
[16:55]  * meindian523 idles
[17:28] <Chesamo> ...well. The conventional method of /away for returning from away seems to have failed me.
[17:28] <Chesamo> And, there it goes.
[18:11] <Chesamo> uhuh
[19:14] <malev_> hi asterismo!
[19:27] <cormey> i'm running ubuntu 9.10 on a dual boot system (WinXP is other OS). is there any way i can access my linux ext4 filesystem from windows xp? i tried linux reader, but it would not work (i'm guessing it doesn't support ext4)
[19:35] <geirha> I don't think there's any ext4 driver for windows yet :/
[19:36] <cormey> geirha: didn't think so, i read that an ext2 driver can work, but i don't want to risk it
[19:37] <cormey> geirha: thnx 4 the response though
[20:40] <kidtp> hello.....i just turned on my laptop and when i went to mess with my sound settings they show that i have no hardware for sound. then i thought it was stupid so i tried playing music and it was right. it did not show my speakers
[20:41] <kidtp> any suggestions?
[22:53] <ZachK_> hello running_rabbit07
[22:57] <ZachK_> hi itsa
[22:57] <itsa> hi ZachK_
[23:02] <itsa> It's seem no problem with my 10.04 installation. But when I do a cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep WW there are some warning exist. Here's the print: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/vXcw8LDX any advices? sorry for my English :D
[23:04] <Burky> Having some issues with a wireless card.  Anyone interested?
[23:04] <Lady_Madonna> itsa,  What model is your graphics card?
[23:06] <itsa> Lady_Madonna, Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 10)
[23:10] <Lady_Madonna> itsa,  I would try installing xfonts-base
[23:10] <Lady_Madonna> itsa,  This command in terminal:  sudo apt-get install xfonts-base
[23:12] <Burky> I have a likksys wireless card model #wpc54gx ver.2. The power light blinks like it is powered on, butit will not connect to a network.
[23:12] <Lady_Madonna> Does it see other networks Burky ?
[23:13] <itsa> Lady_Madonna, I am not in superuser account, i have to switch first
[23:14] <itsa> i logout and will back after that sudo
[23:14] <ZachK_> itsa: you don't need to logout to use superuser
[23:14] <ZachK_> itsa: really you shouldn't do that to begin with
[23:14] <itsa> how?
[23:15] <ZachK_> when you type a command in the terminal say, "apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird" you would put "sudo" in front of the command. that gives temporary root access to the current user
[23:15] <Burky> Not sure, I don't have anything to tell me if there are any.  I do belive both my neighbors have wireless networks, but can't find them
[23:16] <Burky> As long as you have the right password for the sudo command
[23:17] <Lady_Madonna> Burky,  Have you had a look at this howto?  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=484359
[23:17] <ZachK_> Burky: the sudo password is your user password which you set up during installation
[23:18] <itsa> ZachK_, the account that I use this time is non sudo privilege, oh poor English mine :D
[23:18] <Lady_Madonna> itsa,  Your english is fine :)
[23:18] <itsa> :D
[23:19] <itsa> thx
[23:20] <ZachK_> lol
[23:20] <itsa> so I have to Logout first, into mu another account which has sudo privilege. A moment please ..
[23:21] <itsa> my*
[23:21] <ZachK_> itsa: no you don't
[23:21] <ZachK_> connection issues Scunizi?
[23:21] <Scunizi> ZachK_: nope.. just installed the nvidia binary driver
[23:21] <itsa> ZachK_?
[23:22] <Scunizi> had to stop kdm to do it.. then restart
[23:22] <ZachK_> itsa: to get super-user privileges just put "sudo" infront of the command that Lady_Madonna told you to run
[23:22] <FlyingTortoise> Hello everyone. Are there any complications with backing up data that's been encrypted using LUKS and LVM via the guided full disk encryption with the alternate CD? i.e. is it possible to use back up software and do incremental back ups, and recover the data, etc.?
[23:22] <FlyingTortoise> Does just encrypting the home directory work better for back ups or same?
[23:22] <FlyingTortoise> Thank you, trying to figure out which encryption method to use for new install.
[23:23] <ZachK_> FlyingTortoise: ubuntu version?
[23:23] <FlyingTortoise> 10.04
[23:23] <ZachK_> FlyingTortoise: one minute
 Ok, I'll try
[23:23] <FlyingTortoise> Thank you.
[23:24] <Scunizi> Aaahhh.. nice to have the binary driver working and dual monitor setup again.
[23:24] <ZachK_> FlyingTortoise: take a look at this... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory
[23:24] <ZachK_> Scunizi: good
[23:25] <ZachK_> FlyingTortoise: and this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem/SimpleBackupSuite
[23:26] <Scunizi> so does anyone know about the policy auth demon in ubuntu chewing 50%+ of the cpu constantly and progressively eating memory as the minutes go by?
 I hope u understand what I mean: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/K9D799Mc :D
[23:27] <Lady_Madonna> That user does not have sudo privileges itsa
 that's why I try to explain to ZachK_ :D. I have to lout first and go to my another account with the privileges :D
[23:29] <itsa> log out*
[23:29] <ZachK_> itsa: are you typing in your password where it says [sudo] password: password yada
[23:29] <itsa> yess
[23:30] <ZachK_> ok
[23:30] <ZachK_> just making sure
[23:30] <ZachK_> log out and try the other account then
[23:30] <Scunizi> make sure your user that is not working is part of the Admin group
[23:30] <Lady_Madonna> ZachK_,  is is not in the sudoers file.
[23:30] <ZachK_> Lady_Madonna: yes i can see that
[23:30] <FlyingTortoise> ZachK_: Thank you for the helpful links.  I know that the encrypted home drive uses a different type of encryption than if you do the full drive encryption via the alternate CD.  I've read the encrypted home drive works well with incremental backups, etc., but do you know if the full drive encryption works well with incremental backups?
[23:31] <FlyingTortoise> ZachK_: Thank you for the helpful links.  I know that the encrypted home drive uses a different type of encryption than if you do the full drive encryption via the alternate CD.  I've read the encrypted home drive works well with incremental backups, etc., but do you know if the full drive encryption works well with incremental backups?
[23:31] <ZachK_> FlyingTortoise: not sure as i've never done it myself
[23:31] <Scunizi> and the "adm" group if they are not the same.
[23:31] <itsa> brb
[23:33] <FlyingTortoise> ZachK_:  I guess there's only one way to find out.  :-)
[23:34] <ZachK_> FlyingTortoise: I'd do some major googling first though
[23:34] <ZachK_> or ask arouund
[23:38] <FlyingTortoise> is the another ubuntu channel more geared towards security?
[23:40] <Lady_Madonna> FlyingTortoise,  #ubuntu-security
[23:40] <Lady_Madonna> It will redirect to #ubuntu-hardened
 Thank you.
[23:41] <Burky> Lady madonna thanks for the tip on the How to.  I get to the auto install for the ndiswrapper command, and get an error message
[23:42] <Lady_Madonna> What is the error message Burky  ?
 I have done the sudo apt-get install xfonts-base. here is the result: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/LvPatPBj
[23:42] <Lady_Madonna> Hmm.
[23:43] <Burky> Installation of the ndiswrapper-source source failed
[23:45] <Burky> Under that it says Ignoring this package.  Maybe yo need to add something to sources.list , maybe the contrib and non-free archiver
[23:45] <Burky> You not yo, sp.
[23:50] <Burky> <lady madonna>Installation of the ndiswrapper-source source failed
[23:51] <Burky> Under that it says Ignoring this package.  Maybe you need to add something to sources.list , maybe the contrib and non-free archives
[23:54] <Lady_Madonna> Burky,  A few things to try:  http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/ndiswrapper-install-under-debian-4-0-a-688547/
[23:54] <Burky> k will try thanks
[23:56] <Lady_Madonna> itsa,  Can you post the output of:  cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep WW
[23:56] <itsa> ok
 please see here: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/raw.php?i=hgQ5JJeV