/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/05/11/#kubuntu-devel.txt

ScottKYou can add things to the systray via right click on it.00:00
txwikingershtylman: I figured it out00:09
txwikingeropen the configuration of the knetworkmanager and click on the checkbox for displaying it in the systray00:09
ScottKAh, so it was hiding, not stopped.00:13
shtylmanahh00:13
shtylmanScottK: did your reinstall go well?00:20
shtylmanmy global shortcuts to launch apps don't work... :(00:26
jjesseif i install ubuntu-netbook-edition on top of kubuntu netbook remix can i easily switch betweeen the two? (goal is test  unity and see what it looks like)01:25
txwikingerScottK: No it was stopped... there was no network connection until I started it01:57
txwikingerbut being in the systray, the systray may start it now.. I have no idea01:57
txwikingerit's really odd01:58
* valorie is finding knetworkmanager to be v e r y s l o w to start02:11
valoriein lucid02:11
valorieseems like a whole lotta stuff loads first, when since it's web stuff -- should start afterwards02:12
txwikingervalorie: yes.. it starts very late02:12
valorielike my weather widge02:12
valoriet02:12
txwikingerafter all the stuff that wants to use the internet02:12
valoriethat seems like a programming error, way deep in the startup stuff02:12
txwikingerI think the network should be started by upstart, not the desktop02:17
valorieI suppose that's ubuntu-stuff, rather than kubuntu level?02:20
txwikingerwell.. both gnome and kde are doing this network manager stuff02:21
txwikingerI guess because of adhoc wireless and it is either to confihg02:21
txwikingerconfigure this on gui than in config files02:21
jontheechidnaGood morning Kubuntu06:30
apacheloggerimbrandon: like apple obeys standards of others so much :P07:15
apacheloggerjussi: still downloading ubuntu to see what a memenu is :P07:16
apacheloggerthough I see there is a slot assigned to DX memenu today, probably should check it out07:16
apacheloggerthough I've got math exam at 16:3007:16
* apachelogger maybe should be learning07:17
MamarokRiddell: ship.it was extremly fast, got 300 CDs this morning. Thanks a lot!09:41
Mamarokgive my regards to Maria, she really does a tremendous job :)09:42
ScottKMamarok: I'm sitting next to him and showed him.09:42
ScottKMamarok: Check to make sure the CDs are actually Kubuntu and not some other flavor.09:42
Tm_Twhy I did read that as "showered him" ... ):09:43
Mamarokthe two packs on top are Kubuntu, et's see the two at the bottom09:46
Mamarokyep, all Kubuntu 10.0409:46
* Mamarok is happy09:46
apachelogger\o/09:47
Mamarokapachelogger: don't be afraid, he doesn't bite :)09:47
apacheloggerwho?09:47
apacheloggerthe dictator?09:47
apacheloggeror Tm_T09:47
apacheloggerthat said09:47
Tm_Tapachelogger: I'm not dictator?09:48
apacheloggerTm_T: mom, you need to see a therapist09:48
apacheloggerwhy would ScottK shower Riddell?09:48
* apachelogger is all confused today09:48
Tm_Tapachelogger: I ate the therapist09:49
apacheloggerOo09:49
apacheloggeroh dear09:49
apacheloggeron a positve note09:49
apacheloggerI did make the movies today09:49
apacheloggerhttp://blip.tv/file/get/Apachelogger-InstallAmarokScripts606.ogv09:49
txwikingerbtw.. amarok works well listening to the UDS streams09:56
Mamaroktxwikinger: not only for that :)09:58
Mamarokapachelogger: nice video :)09:58
txwikingerMamarok: :)09:58
txwikingerMamarok: There was a question about that yesterday09:59
Mamarokwhat question?09:59
apacheloggerinterestingly enough technology fails me again10:02
txwikingerMamarok: if amarok works well with the uds streams10:54
shtylmannixternal: ubuntu one session right now11:09
shtylman#ubuntu-uds-delfino11:09
shtylmanapachelogger: ^11:15
shtylmanooo .. I see you joined11:15
shadeslayerhow do i install a app from a bzr branch?11:17
Tm_Tbzr-buildpackage is your friend (if possible, that is)11:17
shadeslayerTm_T: this builds a deb?11:18
jussiapachelogger: figure out what the me menu is yet? :D11:18
shadeslayer^^ hehe :)11:19
shadeslayeroh and btw bug 453260 happens with numeric keys as well11:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 453260 in plasma-widget-network-manager "Can not connect using WEP ASCII keys" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45326011:20
Tm_Tshadeslayer: yes it does11:21
shadeslayerTm_T: okies.. im building it from bzr branch then :P11:22
shadeslayeri havent been able to use KDE with my Wifi network for the past 3 days :P11:23
shadeslayerTm_T: bah : gpg: skipped "Anthony Mercatante <tonio@ubuntu.com>": secret key not available11:26
Tm_Tawww11:26
shadeslayerit fails to sign it.. cant i skip the sign part11:26
Tm_TI thought it skipped it11:27
shadeslayerTonio_: whats your secret key? :P11:27
crimsun0x4211:27
shadeslayerTonio_: oohhh i haz debs in build area11:27
Tm_Tshadeslayer: no, you should have the package below the build area11:27
Tm_Tso cd ../11:27
shadeslayerTm_T: http://paste.ubuntu.com/431599/11:28
Tonio_shadeslayer: ;)11:28
Tm_Tshadeslayer: so it didn't do it successfully11:29
shadeslayerTonio_: btw i see that you maintain the rekonq package,and i would like to adopt it11:29
shadeslayerTonio_: :(11:29
shadeslayerbah11:29
shadeslayerTm_T: ^^11:29
shadeslayerTm_T: im guessing bzr directly imports from svn.... right?11:30
shadeslayer( wrt to plasma-widget-networkmanagement )11:30
shadeslayerhttps://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/plasma-widget-networkmanagement/lucid 11:30
Tm_Tshadeslayer: err, bzr has what has been committed to it, I don't think it does any import11:30
Tonio_shadeslayer: adopt ?11:31
shadeslayerTonio_: under adopt a upstream11:31
shadeslayer!adopt11:32
shadeslayerbeh11:32
shadeslayerTonio_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Upstream/Adopt11:32
shtylmanapachelogger: these is a me menu session today as well iirc11:33
shtylmanI was gonna drop by that too11:33
jussiyeah, 3pm11:34
shtylmancool11:34
shtylmanjussi: am I supposed to do a session today?11:34
* apachelogger got exam at 16:3011:34
Tonio_shadeslayer: ah ! this ;)11:34
shtylmanapachelogger: bummer :(11:34
Tonio_shadeslayer: I tend to use "standard" words to talk about that :)11:35
shadeslayerTonio_: yep... im involved with rekonq upstream11:35
shadeslayerhehe11:35
Tonio_shadeslayer: if you want to take care of the packaging, maintain and so on, please do ;)11:35
jussishtylman: yes, last session in ebene11:35
shtylmanjussi: gotcha11:36
shtylmantitle is a bit misnamed ... but we will work with it :)11:36
shadeslayerTonio_: oh i already help with the daily git package :)11:36
jussishtylman: yeah11:36
jussishtylman: we can work it out11:37
shtylmanyep.. I also have the working demo11:37
shtylmanmade sure last night that it still ran and whatnot11:37
ghostcubeapachelogger: is this your voice in the vid :D11:39
apacheloggersure11:41
apachelogger:P11:41
ghostcubesounds so youthy11:45
ghostcube:D11:45
ghostcubehttp://www.brainblog.to/item/2010/05/smartphone-gitarre   thats cool guys11:45
apacheloggerghostcube: that is because I am young and beautiful, just like every other kubuntu developer12:35
* ghostcube thinks its a rumor *run*12:35
ghostcube:D12:36
apacheloggerhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/431625/12:36
apacheloggertotally12:36
ghostcubeui ubuntuone kde?12:37
apacheloggerhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/431627/12:38
ghostcube-.-12:38
ghostcubeapachelogger: any date for testing the kde version?12:44
ghostcubei dont have an account till now12:44
ghostcube:D12:44
apacheloggerghostcube: end of may possibly12:46
ghostcubeapachelogger: cool12:56
Sputapachelogger: you'll be in Randa as well, yes?13:55
apacheloggeryes13:56
Sputcool, so we shall meet again13:56
apacheloggerSput: that sounds scary :P14:14
shtylmando we actually want a me menu?14:14
shtylmanI don't want to clutter the panel too much..14:14
shtylmanmaybe if we get rid of other cruft?14:15
RiddellI've not heard any cries that it's a notable missing feature14:15
Tm_Tshtylman: yeah, like clock and taskmanager14:15
shtylmanRiddell: true14:15
apacheloggerget rid of the systray!14:15
shtylmanapachelogger: yes14:15
apacheloggershywe can always add a new panel ;)14:15
shtylmanI have been trying to rally interest to do that :)14:15
debfxanyone going to linuxtag berlin?14:16
apacheloggerhooray14:17
apacheloggerI am getting a "OtherError"14:17
apacheloggerdebfx: I think it is colliding with something important for me14:17
debfxoh too bad14:18
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Riddellspec no 1 https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuMaverickKolab  14:30
shtylmanwooooo14:30
jjessewow14:31
somekoolhi ! 14:47
somekoolI'm trying various KDE apps under Gnome. and Amarok does not play a music14:48
somekoolI could configure phonon properly to use Pulse Audio14:48
somekoolbut clicking on playlist entry failes14:48
somekoolno error message14:48
somekoolI'll trying loading amarok from the terminal14:48
Riddellif Amarok isn't showing that it's playing there's a problem with Amarok (maybe you're playing an MP3 file without support installed?)14:50
Riddellif it's showing that it's playing but there's no sound that's probably an issue with pulseaudio or sound drivers14:50
somekoolmaybe that's it 14:50
somekoolmissing mp3 "driver"? 14:51
Riddellinstall libxine1-ffmpeg14:52
somekoolthanks14:55
Riddellcomplimentary spec https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ServerMaverickKolab14:56
somekoolsome people around me are saying Kubuntu should be called differently and be distinguised further....14:56
somekoolgreat to see Kolab project coming to life14:59
ForgeAusdoes Kget use aria2c? (multi-sourcing downloads can be useful)15:35
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ScottKIf there a Kubuntu person at UDS that can go to https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/permissive-mounts next session?15:46
ScottKIt seems like something we should be at....15:46
nixternalyou aren't at uds?15:48
ScottKI am, but I need to go to a different session then.15:48
nixternalahh, thought you were15:48
nixternalwell, i made it to part 2 of the interview ScottK, mr. watson is next to interview me :D15:48
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=== AzureDragon is now known as cogsvert
jontheechidnaScottK: Riddell and I are there16:38
ScottKI'm in the UDD session.16:39
ScottKjontheechidna: Great.16:39
jontheechidnaMost of the proposed solutions seem so far to be fairly low-level16:40
ArGGu^^Hello16:44
ArGGu^^I using Kubuntu 10.0416:45
ArGGu^^And with my A4 Tech mouse the sorting when I click head of the column does not work16:45
ArGGu^^but another mouse it works16:45
ArGGu^^Tested this on system monitor and dolphin.16:46
ArGGu^^*with another mouse it works16:46
ArGGu^^It work on Kubuntu 9.1016:47
ArGGu^^Is there some way to debug what happens when I click head of a column16:49
puyehue74Hi, sorting items in the dolphin and kmail list view works fine with my touchpad, but it doesnt with my A4tech mouse. Is there a way how to check whats happening? Sorting the quassel channel list works ok with both16:57
RiddellArGGu^^: that's not an issue I've heard of and it sounds very strange (assuming the mouse clicks work in every other use)16:58
RiddellArGGu^^: it would need a small application to check if qt is recieving the mouse clicks or not16:58
Riddellpuyehue74: ^^16:58
ArGGu^^So it jus easier to get new mouse :S16:59
ArGGu^^*just16:59
apacheloggerphew, now that was one exhausting exam alright16:59
apacheloggerthough before I left I was able to do a full oauth exchange with one.ubuntu.com using my Qt code!16:59
Riddellapachelogger: shouldn't you have been revising before you left?!17:00
* apachelogger gets anxious from that17:02
puyehue74Riddell: excuse me, but what does "^^" mean?17:11
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* apachelogger is wondering how long it takes neversfelde to get is MOTO application done :P17:16
apacheloggerparty17:24
apacheloggerneversfelde is moto now!17:24
neversfeldehehe17:24
neversfeldeapachelogger: and I am the only moto, I guess17:25
=== apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: UDS | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-M/RemoteParticipation | http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/ | http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/05/10/uds-for-amarok/ | Congratulations to neversfelde for making MOTO \o \o o/ o/ \o/ \o/
apacheloggeryeah17:25
apacheloggertotally alienated yourself there :P17:25
maconeversfelde: congrats!17:26
neversfeldethere is a security problem with kget17:26
neversfeldemaco: thank you17:26
macopuyehue74: it's an emoticon. like when in anime they draw the eyes as little upside down U's because the people are all grinning/smiling and cheery17:26
* apachelogger thinks neversfelde will fix a security issue using his fancy new moto powers and asking one of those nice sponsors do to the sponsoring17:27
neversfeldeapachelogger: I must admit, I do not know what to do :)17:28
apachelogger!security-update17:28
puyehue74maco: thanks17:28
* apachelogger hates when the bot queries him17:28
neversfeldeis it the same process for security fixes as for SRUs?17:28
apacheloggertsimpson: that is a total design fault IMHO :P17:28
apacheloggerneversfelde: mostly17:29
apacheloggerneversfelde: it is documented somewhere in teh wiki I am sure17:29
neversfeldeok, I will start working on it, after a small break 17:29
* apachelogger notes that it's been ages since he did a security update himself17:29
tsimpson@channel plugins.Encyclopedia.privateNotFound False17:30
ubottuThe operation succeeded.17:30
apachelogger\o/17:30
tsimpson!apachelogger-factoid17:30
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about apachelogger-factoid17:30
tsimpsonideally it'd be a "user option", but that'd require everyone on IRC to be registered with ubottu17:31
* maco got a call from Red Hat today17:31
apacheloggermaco: do they want to get you for rhel?17:31
apacheloggeror do they want to sue you for talking badly about rhel?17:31
macoapachelogger: trying to convince me to pay munnies for training before i take the rhct exasm17:32
maco*exam17:32
apacheloggerahhh17:32
apacheloggerI knew it was about money17:32
apacheloggeromg17:33
* apachelogger needs to go to hooters soonish Oo17:33
debfxhas anyone some spare time to review a very small (non-kde) package which I've already tried to get into lucid? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/clamz17:34
* apachelogger just lol'd about that picture17:34
debfxit's a downloader for the amazon mp3 store17:34
tsimpsonwhat is the .debian.tar.gz?17:35
debfxthe new 3.0 (quilt) source package format17:36
debfxreplacement for the .diff.gz17:36
tsimpsonah yes, 3.0, I remember now17:36
macoapachelogger: er.... "omg" and "need" .... about hooters.... why?17:37
macooh good im not the only one still flailing about going "thsi file! its one i never heard of! oh dear ive forgotten how to package!"17:38
apacheloggergotta acompany some friends who happen to have insight in the exercise for my c++ course ;)17:38
apacheloggeralso I need to get wasted and celebrate that I implemented a http daemon in Qt and did oauth to u117:43
apacheloggerbut that is a different story17:43
* apachelogger wanted to do something fancy with his authhandler but eventually forgot while he was looking for documentation17:45
tsimpsondebfx: there are a few lintian errors17:45
tsimpsondebfx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/431773/17:45
debfxtsimpson: what build environment do you use?17:54
debfxwhen I build the package it doesn't contain those files17:54
tsimpsondebfx: at the moment I'm on karmic17:54
tsimpsonI haven't had the time to upgrade17:54
debfxtsimpson: could you please give me the build log?17:57
tsimpsondebfx: I see calls to update-desktop-database and update-mime-database in the install17:57
tsimpsonone sec17:57
tsimpsondebfx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/431778/17:58
debfxok it doesn't generate those cache files for me as the update-* tools don't exist in my pbuilder environment17:58
tsimpsonI just rand debuild, maybe that's it17:59
tsimpsonif pbuilder doesn't run the tools, it should be ok17:59
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debfxtsimpson: should be fixed now18:21
debfxtsimpson: thanks, I wouldn't have spotted this as I basically only build with pbuilder18:23
tsimpsoneverything else looks ok to me18:24
ofirkI am trying to change my preferences at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UserPreferences, but when I hit Save it says "This email already belongs to somebody else." and doesn't save my selection18:39
ofirkdoes anyone know something about this error?18:39
Riddellofirk: UserPreferences working ok for me19:17
ofirkRiddell: so it is probably a problem with my account... who I need to contact in order to fix this?19:19
Riddellofirk: our ever responsive canonical sysadmins19:20
ofirkRiddell: they are more responsive when you talk them face to face?19:21
Riddellofirk: I don't know, I haven't seen one to talk to them :(19:26
ofirkRiddell: how is at the UDS? (I never been at one)19:27
macoofirk: did you change your email address on lp maybe?19:29
macoor your username?19:29
ofirkI think not19:29
macosomene else mentioned the same problem recently when they did one of those19:29
ofirkbut maybe... I can't remember 19:30
ofirkand he found a solution?19:30
macosent them to #canonical-sysadmin19:31
Riddellofirk: good waffles and good beer in this country19:31
jjessebelgian waffles?19:31
ofirkmaco: already sent19:31
ofirkRiddell: I love belgian waffles!19:31
Riddelljjesse: chocolate belgian waffles.  nuff said I think19:31
jjesseyou win :)19:31
ofirkthey are fantastic (although I never ate a real  belgian waffles :)19:32
Riddellofirk: you should come to UDS :)19:32
Riddellthen you can hunt down sysadmins 19:32
ofirkRiddell: only if I could stop everything here :)19:33
Riddelland bribe them with chocolate waffles19:33
ofirkoh, this is good to know how bribe powerful men ;)19:33
ofirk*how to19:33
amichairmmmm.... waffles....19:46
ofirkI just noticed that there is a mistake in the folder properties dialog20:16
ofirkIt doesn't calculate remaining space accurately...20:16
ofirkhttp://imagebin.ca/view/5PhcI5.html20:16
ofirk=916.6-37.720:16
ofirk=878.920:17
ofirkand not 83220:17
RiddellGiB vs GB error?20:19
ofirkso what is true?20:19
ofirkbut both of them are in GiB20:19
ofirkthe difference is that GB is 1000MB and GiB is 1024MiB?20:20
Riddellmaybe one lies and is actually in GB?20:20
ofirkmaybe :|20:21
Sputofirk: other way round20:23
Sputah, no20:23
Sputsry, still getting confused by people trying to apply logics to math20:23
ofirkso what is true :?20:24
Sput(meaning, it's totally stupid to apply the denary system to an architecture based on 2s)20:24
ofirkindeed20:24
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nixternalso how is the uds going thus far for us? been kind of hard for me to follow along, as i wake up for the last 2...hoping to catch some of the earlier ones in the next couple of nights though20:41
shadeslayernixternal: ah finally!20:42
nixternaljust watched a video on dev workflow that i wish i was part of....wondering how low of a barrier they want for developers...i know i wouldn't want it low enough that my brother could become a developer20:42
shadeslayernixternal: i want to make a plymouth theme...20:42
nixternalshadeslayer: yeah, i tried to answer you yesterday but you disconnected20:42
nixternalshadeslayer: the plymouth theme is part of kubuntu-default-settings under the /lib directory20:42
jjessefloss dev workflow?20:43
nixternalall of the artwork is there20:43
nixternaljjesse: ubuntu dev workflow20:43
shadeslayernixternal: heres the wallpaper : http://ubuntuone.com/p/3JB/20:43
shadeslayernixternal: ah ok20:43
nixternaloh, that is f'n sexy dude20:43
nixternalholy shit, that is truly hot!20:43
shadeslayernixternal: yeah..20:44
nixternaldid you do that wallpaper?20:44
jjesseslow loading20:44
shadeslayernixternal: nope20:44
shadeslayernixternal: http://ubuntuone.com/p/3JD/20:44
nixternaldamn, that wallpaper alone would make me use gnome i think :)20:44
shadeslayerjust the wallpaper20:44
shadeslayernixternal: lol....20:44
jjessei can't get the whole page to load20:44
nixternalhehe20:44
shadeslayerjjesse: try a refresh20:45
nixternali played softball on mother's day, and i have muscles that haven't been used in years letting me know, "You shouldn't have done that fat ass!"20:45
shadeslayernixternal: i think thats a awesome wallpaper for plymouth20:45
nixternalthose using nvidia would shit a brick with that though :D20:45
shadeslayernixternal: hah! i have a workaround20:45
nixternalorly? what's that20:46
jjessefirefox on windows 7 throws me an error on the page "Image cannot be displayed because it contains errors"20:46
shadeslayernixternal: http://paste.ubuntu.com/431856/20:46
nixternalvideo=vesafb would fix that?20:47
shadeslayernixternal: and your res... also you need to insert the uvesafb module into the initrd20:47
shadeslayernixternal: http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Fix-the-Big-and-Ugly-Plymouth-Logo-in-Ubuntu-10-04-140810.shtml 20:48
nixternaloh nice...good find there20:48
shadeslayernixternal: i edited the boot options a bit though20:48
shadeslayernixternal: wheres the background stored exactly?20:50
shadeslayeroh i think we cant change the background image.. right>20:51
nixternalshadeslayer: it is hex colors divided by 255 :)20:51
shadeslayeri thought so :(20:52
nixternalthere is no image, it is just a top and bottom color code, plymouth takes care of the rest20:52
nixternalhave to go do something...bbiab20:52
shadeslayernixternal: bye20:53
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txwikingerRiddell has a new Prime Minister.. not sure who it is yet though... could be Scotland just declared independence ;)21:01
macojjesse: firefox on windows 7 works fine to see that image for me21:02
Riddelltxwikinger: missed our chance :(21:03
txwikingerRiddell: I just stated somewhere else that Scots and Canadians have a lot in common21:03
txwikingerboth don't like the neighbors to their South ;)21:04
RiddellI knew I should have been in London tonight, could have slipped into Buckingham palace after Gordon left and put myself forward for the empty position21:04
jjessei would've voted for Riddell and i'm not even eligble :)21:05
neversfeldelol21:05
jontheechidnaScottK: How did you and agateau make out for dinner?21:57
jontheechidnahmm, I see that that was a pretty poorly-worded question21:57
jontheechidnaWhat were the results of your search for dinner?21:57
nixternalROFL!!!!22:03
nixternalholy shit jontheechidna, i just wet myself on that one22:03
Tm_Tsilly hu-mans22:04
jontheechidnanixternal: :P22:20
txwikingernixternal: It seems very easy to rattle you ;)22:27
txwikingerhow are the hawks doin btw22:27
nixternalone more game to go against san jose22:31
* nixternal is out...food then cycling22:31
jontheechidnaScottK: For the "Universe is translatable" spec tomorrow, do you think you could attend? I'd really like to attend dantti's printer-tools presentation, but we really need somebody from stopping this from happening.22:33
jontheechidnaWay, way, way too much overhead would be required for every single KDE package in universe22:34
jontheechidnaTaking the .desktop files for example. pkgtranslationmangler strips all the translations out of those, so we have to set a template name in debian/rules, and then add a script to kde-l10n-* to fetch the .desktop translations from kde svn.22:35
jontheechidnaThis is somewhat doable with the monolithic KDE packages, with some problems22:35
crimsunthat sounds like a horrible, horrible hack22:35
jontheechidnawell, yes. but only because rosetta/pkgtranslationmangler is very good at deleting these translations from the .desktop files, but not at extracting them22:36
jontheechidnasince gnome doesn't put their translations in a .desktop file in the first place, nobody must, the reasoning probably goes22:36
jontheechidnaAnyways, this is totally unfeasible for universe. Most apps aren't even in kde svn receiving .translation support. Once pkgtranslationmangler does it's thing, the translations have poofed, never to be seen again22:37
crimsunugh?22:37
crimsunI know several packages shipping translations in .desktop files22:37
jontheechidnaso then, it's not just KDE that will be affected if pkgbinarymangler (or pkgtranslationmangler in particular) starts munging on universe22:39
jontheechidnaat the very least, translating universe must not strip translations from .desktop files22:39
jontheechidnaBut that aside, making translations from KDE's core modules is too much work already. I can't imagine that we'll have any measure of success trying to add every KDE universe app to that list...22:41
jontheechidnaIt just shouldn't happen, or at least should leave KDE alone22:42
jontheechidnaI'm hitting the hay now. See you all tomorrow.22:43
* txwikinger wonders if they don't have beds in Belgium23:04
amichairhmmm... clicking on the karmic->lucid upgrade notification icon shows Ubuntu release notes, with no mention of Kubuntu23:24
amichairand in the middle of the upgrade (downloading...) a KPackageKit notification just popped up telling me there are 36 updates available, and that lucid is out and offering me to start upgrading23:36
ScottKneversfelde: Congratulations.23:49
ScottKamichair: Those release notes are for the Ubuntu project as a whole, not just Ubuntu desktop.23:51
amichairScottK: I see. Still would be nice to have a link or two to kubuntu, not all links to ubuntu.23:52
ScottKGenerally they have one I thought.23:53
ScottKPerhaps it was neglected this time.23:53
ScottK(I haven't looked)23:53
amichaircould be. And probably too late now :-)23:53
Mamarokneversfelde: congrats :) I knew MOTU, what does MOTO stand for?23:53
ScottKMaster of the Universe23:55
Mamaroknah, that's MOTU, he talks about MOTO >-23:55
ScottKAh, no idea then.23:55
ScottKI suspect it means apachelogger can't spell.23:56
Mamaroklikely...23:56
Mamarokapachelogger: how did your Math test go?23:56

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