[00:00] You can add things to the systray via right click on it. [00:09] shtylman: I figured it out [00:09] open the configuration of the knetworkmanager and click on the checkbox for displaying it in the systray [00:13] Ah, so it was hiding, not stopped. [00:13] ahh [00:20] ScottK: did your reinstall go well? [00:26] my global shortcuts to launch apps don't work... :( [01:25] if i install ubuntu-netbook-edition on top of kubuntu netbook remix can i easily switch betweeen the two? (goal is test unity and see what it looks like) [01:57] ScottK: No it was stopped... there was no network connection until I started it [01:57] but being in the systray, the systray may start it now.. I have no idea [01:58] it's really odd [02:11] * valorie is finding knetworkmanager to be v e r y s l o w to start [02:11] in lucid [02:12] seems like a whole lotta stuff loads first, when since it's web stuff -- should start afterwards [02:12] valorie: yes.. it starts very late [02:12] like my weather widge [02:12] t [02:12] after all the stuff that wants to use the internet [02:12] that seems like a programming error, way deep in the startup stuff [02:17] I think the network should be started by upstart, not the desktop [02:20] I suppose that's ubuntu-stuff, rather than kubuntu level? [02:21] well.. both gnome and kde are doing this network manager stuff [02:21] I guess because of adhoc wireless and it is either to confihg [02:21] configure this on gui than in config files [06:30] Good morning Kubuntu [07:15] imbrandon: like apple obeys standards of others so much :P [07:16] jussi: still downloading ubuntu to see what a memenu is :P [07:16] though I see there is a slot assigned to DX memenu today, probably should check it out [07:16] though I've got math exam at 16:30 [07:17] * apachelogger maybe should be learning [09:41] Riddell: ship.it was extremly fast, got 300 CDs this morning. Thanks a lot! [09:42] give my regards to Maria, she really does a tremendous job :) [09:42] Mamarok: I'm sitting next to him and showed him. [09:42] Mamarok: Check to make sure the CDs are actually Kubuntu and not some other flavor. [09:43] why I did read that as "showered him" ... ): [09:46] the two packs on top are Kubuntu, et's see the two at the bottom [09:46] yep, all Kubuntu 10.04 [09:46] * Mamarok is happy [09:47] \o/ [09:47] apachelogger: don't be afraid, he doesn't bite :) [09:47] who? [09:47] the dictator? [09:47] or Tm_T [09:47] that said [09:48] apachelogger: I'm not dictator? [09:48] Tm_T: mom, you need to see a therapist [09:48] why would ScottK shower Riddell? [09:48] * apachelogger is all confused today [09:49] apachelogger: I ate the therapist [09:49] Oo [09:49] oh dear [09:49] on a positve note [09:49] I did make the movies today [09:49] http://blip.tv/file/get/Apachelogger-InstallAmarokScripts606.ogv [09:56] btw.. amarok works well listening to the UDS streams [09:58] txwikinger: not only for that :) [09:58] apachelogger: nice video :) [09:58] Mamarok: :) [09:59] Mamarok: There was a question about that yesterday [09:59] what question? [10:02] interestingly enough technology fails me again [10:54] Mamarok: if amarok works well with the uds streams [11:09] nixternal: ubuntu one session right now [11:09] #ubuntu-uds-delfino [11:15] apachelogger: ^ [11:15] ooo .. I see you joined [11:17] how do i install a app from a bzr branch? [11:17] bzr-buildpackage is your friend (if possible, that is) [11:18] Tm_T: this builds a deb? [11:18] apachelogger: figure out what the me menu is yet? :D [11:19] ^^ hehe :) [11:20] oh and btw bug 453260 happens with numeric keys as well [11:20] Launchpad bug 453260 in plasma-widget-network-manager "Can not connect using WEP ASCII keys" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/453260 [11:21] shadeslayer: yes it does [11:22] Tm_T: okies.. im building it from bzr branch then :P [11:23] i havent been able to use KDE with my Wifi network for the past 3 days :P [11:26] Tm_T: bah : gpg: skipped "Anthony Mercatante ": secret key not available [11:26] awww [11:26] it fails to sign it.. cant i skip the sign part [11:27] I thought it skipped it [11:27] Tonio_: whats your secret key? :P [11:27] 0x42 [11:27] Tonio_: oohhh i haz debs in build area [11:27] shadeslayer: no, you should have the package below the build area [11:27] so cd ../ [11:28] Tm_T: http://paste.ubuntu.com/431599/ [11:28] shadeslayer: ;) [11:29] shadeslayer: so it didn't do it successfully [11:29] Tonio_: btw i see that you maintain the rekonq package,and i would like to adopt it [11:29] Tonio_: :( [11:29] bah [11:29] Tm_T: ^^ [11:30] Tm_T: im guessing bzr directly imports from svn.... right? [11:30] ( wrt to plasma-widget-networkmanagement ) [11:30] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/plasma-widget-networkmanagement/lucid [11:30] shadeslayer: err, bzr has what has been committed to it, I don't think it does any import [11:31] shadeslayer: adopt ? [11:31] Tonio_: under adopt a upstream [11:32] !adopt [11:32] beh [11:32] Tonio_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Upstream/Adopt [11:33] apachelogger: these is a me menu session today as well iirc [11:33] I was gonna drop by that too [11:34] yeah, 3pm [11:34] cool [11:34] jussi: am I supposed to do a session today? [11:34] * apachelogger got exam at 16:30 [11:34] shadeslayer: ah ! this ;) [11:34] apachelogger: bummer :( [11:35] shadeslayer: I tend to use "standard" words to talk about that :) [11:35] Tonio_: yep... im involved with rekonq upstream [11:35] hehe [11:35] shadeslayer: if you want to take care of the packaging, maintain and so on, please do ;) [11:35] shtylman: yes, last session in ebene [11:36] jussi: gotcha [11:36] title is a bit misnamed ... but we will work with it :) [11:36] Tonio_: oh i already help with the daily git package :) [11:36] shtylman: yeah [11:37] shtylman: we can work it out [11:37] yep.. I also have the working demo [11:37] made sure last night that it still ran and whatnot [11:39] apachelogger: is this your voice in the vid :D [11:41] sure [11:41] :P [11:45] sounds so youthy [11:45] :D [11:45] http://www.brainblog.to/item/2010/05/smartphone-gitarre thats cool guys [12:35] ghostcube: that is because I am young and beautiful, just like every other kubuntu developer [12:35] * ghostcube thinks its a rumor *run* [12:36] :D [12:36] http://paste.ubuntu.com/431625/ [12:36] totally [12:37] ui ubuntuone kde? [12:38] http://paste.ubuntu.com/431627/ [12:38] -.- [12:44] apachelogger: any date for testing the kde version? [12:44] i dont have an account till now [12:44] :D [12:46] ghostcube: end of may possibly [12:56] apachelogger: cool [13:55] apachelogger: you'll be in Randa as well, yes? [13:56] yes [13:56] cool, so we shall meet again [14:14] Sput: that sounds scary :P [14:14] do we actually want a me menu? [14:14] I don't want to clutter the panel too much.. [14:15] maybe if we get rid of other cruft? [14:15] I've not heard any cries that it's a notable missing feature [14:15] shtylman: yeah, like clock and taskmanager [14:15] Riddell: true [14:15] get rid of the systray! [14:15] apachelogger: yes [14:15] shywe can always add a new panel ;) [14:15] I have been trying to rally interest to do that :) [14:16] anyone going to linuxtag berlin? [14:17] hooray [14:17] I am getting a "OtherError" [14:17] debfx: I think it is colliding with something important for me [14:18] oh too bad === rickspencer3_ is now known as rickspencer3 [14:30] spec no 1 https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuMaverickKolab [14:30] wooooo [14:31] wow [14:47] hi ! [14:48] I'm trying various KDE apps under Gnome. and Amarok does not play a music [14:48] I could configure phonon properly to use Pulse Audio [14:48] but clicking on playlist entry failes [14:48] no error message [14:48] I'll trying loading amarok from the terminal [14:50] if Amarok isn't showing that it's playing there's a problem with Amarok (maybe you're playing an MP3 file without support installed?) [14:50] if it's showing that it's playing but there's no sound that's probably an issue with pulseaudio or sound drivers [14:50] maybe that's it [14:51] missing mp3 "driver"? [14:52] install libxine1-ffmpeg [14:55] thanks [14:56] complimentary spec https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ServerMaverickKolab [14:56] some people around me are saying Kubuntu should be called differently and be distinguised further.... [14:59] great to see Kolab project coming to life [15:35] does Kget use aria2c? (multi-sourcing downloads can be useful) === arthur_ is now known as ForgeAus [15:46] If there a Kubuntu person at UDS that can go to https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/permissive-mounts next session? [15:46] It seems like something we should be at.... [15:48] you aren't at uds? [15:48] I am, but I need to go to a different session then. [15:48] ahh, thought you were [15:48] well, i made it to part 2 of the interview ScottK, mr. watson is next to interview me :D === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse === AzureDragon is now known as cogsvert [16:38] ScottK: Riddell and I are there [16:39] I'm in the UDD session. [16:39] jontheechidna: Great. [16:40] Most of the proposed solutions seem so far to be fairly low-level [16:44] Hello [16:45] I using Kubuntu 10.04 [16:45] And with my A4 Tech mouse the sorting when I click head of the column does not work [16:45] but another mouse it works [16:46] Tested this on system monitor and dolphin. [16:46] *with another mouse it works [16:47] It work on Kubuntu 9.10 [16:49] Is there some way to debug what happens when I click head of a column [16:57] Hi, sorting items in the dolphin and kmail list view works fine with my touchpad, but it doesnt with my A4tech mouse. Is there a way how to check whats happening? Sorting the quassel channel list works ok with both [16:58] ArGGu^^: that's not an issue I've heard of and it sounds very strange (assuming the mouse clicks work in every other use) [16:58] ArGGu^^: it would need a small application to check if qt is recieving the mouse clicks or not [16:58] puyehue74: ^^ [16:59] So it jus easier to get new mouse :S [16:59] *just [16:59] phew, now that was one exhausting exam alright [16:59] though before I left I was able to do a full oauth exchange with one.ubuntu.com using my Qt code! [17:00] apachelogger: shouldn't you have been revising before you left?! [17:02] * apachelogger gets anxious from that [17:11] Riddell: excuse me, but what does "^^" mean? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:16] * apachelogger is wondering how long it takes neversfelde to get is MOTO application done :P [17:24] party [17:24] neversfelde is moto now! [17:24] hehe [17:25] apachelogger: and I am the only moto, I guess === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: UDS | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-M/RemoteParticipation | http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/ | http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/05/10/uds-for-amarok/ | Congratulations to neversfelde for making MOTO \o \o o/ o/ \o/ \o/ [17:25] yeah [17:25] totally alienated yourself there :P [17:26] neversfelde: congrats! [17:26] there is a security problem with kget [17:26] maco: thank you [17:26] puyehue74: it's an emoticon. like when in anime they draw the eyes as little upside down U's because the people are all grinning/smiling and cheery [17:27] * apachelogger thinks neversfelde will fix a security issue using his fancy new moto powers and asking one of those nice sponsors do to the sponsoring [17:28] apachelogger: I must admit, I do not know what to do :) [17:28] !security-update [17:28] maco: thanks [17:28] * apachelogger hates when the bot queries him [17:28] is it the same process for security fixes as for SRUs? [17:28] tsimpson: that is a total design fault IMHO :P [17:29] neversfelde: mostly [17:29] neversfelde: it is documented somewhere in teh wiki I am sure [17:29] ok, I will start working on it, after a small break [17:29] * apachelogger notes that it's been ages since he did a security update himself [17:30] @channel plugins.Encyclopedia.privateNotFound False [17:30] The operation succeeded. [17:30] \o/ [17:30] !apachelogger-factoid [17:30] Sorry, I don't know anything about apachelogger-factoid [17:31] ideally it'd be a "user option", but that'd require everyone on IRC to be registered with ubottu [17:31] * maco got a call from Red Hat today [17:31] maco: do they want to get you for rhel? [17:31] or do they want to sue you for talking badly about rhel? [17:32] apachelogger: trying to convince me to pay munnies for training before i take the rhct exasm [17:32] *exam [17:32] ahhh [17:32] I knew it was about money [17:33] omg [17:33] * apachelogger needs to go to hooters soonish Oo [17:34] has anyone some spare time to review a very small (non-kde) package which I've already tried to get into lucid? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/clamz [17:34] * apachelogger just lol'd about that picture [17:34] it's a downloader for the amazon mp3 store [17:35] what is the .debian.tar.gz? [17:36] the new 3.0 (quilt) source package format [17:36] replacement for the .diff.gz [17:36] ah yes, 3.0, I remember now [17:37] apachelogger: er.... "omg" and "need" .... about hooters.... why? [17:38] oh good im not the only one still flailing about going "thsi file! its one i never heard of! oh dear ive forgotten how to package!" [17:38] gotta acompany some friends who happen to have insight in the exercise for my c++ course ;) [17:43] also I need to get wasted and celebrate that I implemented a http daemon in Qt and did oauth to u1 [17:43] but that is a different story [17:45] * apachelogger wanted to do something fancy with his authhandler but eventually forgot while he was looking for documentation [17:45] debfx: there are a few lintian errors [17:45] debfx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/431773/ [17:54] tsimpson: what build environment do you use? [17:54] when I build the package it doesn't contain those files [17:54] debfx: at the moment I'm on karmic [17:54] I haven't had the time to upgrade [17:57] tsimpson: could you please give me the build log? [17:57] debfx: I see calls to update-desktop-database and update-mime-database in the install [17:57] one sec [17:58] debfx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/431778/ [17:58] ok it doesn't generate those cache files for me as the update-* tools don't exist in my pbuilder environment [17:59] I just rand debuild, maybe that's it [17:59] if pbuilder doesn't run the tools, it should be ok === amik is now known as amichair [18:21] tsimpson: should be fixed now [18:23] tsimpson: thanks, I wouldn't have spotted this as I basically only build with pbuilder [18:24] everything else looks ok to me [18:39] I am trying to change my preferences at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UserPreferences, but when I hit Save it says "This email already belongs to somebody else." and doesn't save my selection [18:39] does anyone know something about this error? [19:17] ofirk: UserPreferences working ok for me [19:19] Riddell: so it is probably a problem with my account... who I need to contact in order to fix this? [19:20] ofirk: our ever responsive canonical sysadmins [19:21] Riddell: they are more responsive when you talk them face to face? [19:26] ofirk: I don't know, I haven't seen one to talk to them :( [19:27] Riddell: how is at the UDS? (I never been at one) [19:29] ofirk: did you change your email address on lp maybe? [19:29] or your username? [19:29] I think not [19:29] somene else mentioned the same problem recently when they did one of those [19:30] but maybe... I can't remember [19:30] and he found a solution? [19:31] sent them to #canonical-sysadmin [19:31] ofirk: good waffles and good beer in this country [19:31] belgian waffles? [19:31] maco: already sent [19:31] Riddell: I love belgian waffles! [19:31] jjesse: chocolate belgian waffles. nuff said I think [19:31] you win :) [19:32] they are fantastic (although I never ate a real belgian waffles :) [19:32] ofirk: you should come to UDS :) [19:32] then you can hunt down sysadmins [19:33] Riddell: only if I could stop everything here :) [19:33] and bribe them with chocolate waffles [19:33] oh, this is good to know how bribe powerful men ;) [19:33] *how to [19:46] mmmm.... waffles.... [20:16] I just noticed that there is a mistake in the folder properties dialog [20:16] It doesn't calculate remaining space accurately... [20:16] http://imagebin.ca/view/5PhcI5.html [20:16] =916.6-37.7 [20:17] =878.9 [20:17] and not 832 [20:19] GiB vs GB error? [20:19] so what is true? [20:19] but both of them are in GiB [20:20] the difference is that GB is 1000MB and GiB is 1024MiB? [20:20] maybe one lies and is actually in GB? [20:21] maybe :| [20:23] ofirk: other way round [20:23] ah, no [20:23] sry, still getting confused by people trying to apply logics to math [20:24] so what is true :? [20:24] (meaning, it's totally stupid to apply the denary system to an architecture based on 2s) [20:24] indeed === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [20:41] so how is the uds going thus far for us? been kind of hard for me to follow along, as i wake up for the last 2...hoping to catch some of the earlier ones in the next couple of nights though [20:42] nixternal: ah finally! [20:42] just watched a video on dev workflow that i wish i was part of....wondering how low of a barrier they want for developers...i know i wouldn't want it low enough that my brother could become a developer [20:42] nixternal: i want to make a plymouth theme... [20:42] shadeslayer: yeah, i tried to answer you yesterday but you disconnected [20:42] shadeslayer: the plymouth theme is part of kubuntu-default-settings under the /lib directory [20:43] floss dev workflow? [20:43] all of the artwork is there [20:43] jjesse: ubuntu dev workflow [20:43] nixternal: heres the wallpaper : http://ubuntuone.com/p/3JB/ [20:43] nixternal: ah ok [20:43] oh, that is f'n sexy dude [20:43] holy shit, that is truly hot! [20:44] nixternal: yeah.. [20:44] did you do that wallpaper? [20:44] slow loading [20:44] nixternal: nope [20:44] nixternal: http://ubuntuone.com/p/3JD/ [20:44] damn, that wallpaper alone would make me use gnome i think :) [20:44] just the wallpaper [20:44] nixternal: lol.... [20:44] i can't get the whole page to load [20:44] hehe [20:45] jjesse: try a refresh [20:45] i played softball on mother's day, and i have muscles that haven't been used in years letting me know, "You shouldn't have done that fat ass!" [20:45] nixternal: i think thats a awesome wallpaper for plymouth [20:45] those using nvidia would shit a brick with that though :D [20:45] nixternal: hah! i have a workaround [20:46] orly? what's that [20:46] firefox on windows 7 throws me an error on the page "Image cannot be displayed because it contains errors" [20:46] nixternal: http://paste.ubuntu.com/431856/ [20:47] video=vesafb would fix that? [20:47] nixternal: and your res... also you need to insert the uvesafb module into the initrd [20:48] nixternal: http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Fix-the-Big-and-Ugly-Plymouth-Logo-in-Ubuntu-10-04-140810.shtml [20:48] oh nice...good find there [20:48] nixternal: i edited the boot options a bit though [20:50] nixternal: wheres the background stored exactly? [20:51] oh i think we cant change the background image.. right> [20:51] shadeslayer: it is hex colors divided by 255 :) [20:52] i thought so :( [20:52] there is no image, it is just a top and bottom color code, plymouth takes care of the rest [20:52] have to go do something...bbiab [20:53] nixternal: bye === shadeslayer is now known as shadeslayer_ [21:01] Riddell has a new Prime Minister.. not sure who it is yet though... could be Scotland just declared independence ;) [21:02] jjesse: firefox on windows 7 works fine to see that image for me [21:03] txwikinger: missed our chance :( [21:03] Riddell: I just stated somewhere else that Scots and Canadians have a lot in common [21:04] both don't like the neighbors to their South ;) [21:04] I knew I should have been in London tonight, could have slipped into Buckingham palace after Gordon left and put myself forward for the empty position [21:05] i would've voted for Riddell and i'm not even eligble :) [21:05] lol [21:57] ScottK: How did you and agateau make out for dinner? [21:57] hmm, I see that that was a pretty poorly-worded question [21:57] What were the results of your search for dinner? [22:03] ROFL!!!! [22:03] holy shit jontheechidna, i just wet myself on that one [22:04] silly hu-mans [22:20] nixternal: :P [22:27] nixternal: It seems very easy to rattle you ;) [22:27] how are the hawks doin btw [22:31] one more game to go against san jose [22:31] * nixternal is out...food then cycling [22:33] ScottK: For the "Universe is translatable" spec tomorrow, do you think you could attend? I'd really like to attend dantti's printer-tools presentation, but we really need somebody from stopping this from happening. [22:34] Way, way, way too much overhead would be required for every single KDE package in universe [22:35] Taking the .desktop files for example. pkgtranslationmangler strips all the translations out of those, so we have to set a template name in debian/rules, and then add a script to kde-l10n-* to fetch the .desktop translations from kde svn. [22:35] This is somewhat doable with the monolithic KDE packages, with some problems [22:35] that sounds like a horrible, horrible hack [22:36] well, yes. but only because rosetta/pkgtranslationmangler is very good at deleting these translations from the .desktop files, but not at extracting them [22:36] since gnome doesn't put their translations in a .desktop file in the first place, nobody must, the reasoning probably goes [22:37] Anyways, this is totally unfeasible for universe. Most apps aren't even in kde svn receiving .translation support. Once pkgtranslationmangler does it's thing, the translations have poofed, never to be seen again [22:37] ugh? [22:37] I know several packages shipping translations in .desktop files [22:39] so then, it's not just KDE that will be affected if pkgbinarymangler (or pkgtranslationmangler in particular) starts munging on universe [22:39] at the very least, translating universe must not strip translations from .desktop files [22:41] But that aside, making translations from KDE's core modules is too much work already. I can't imagine that we'll have any measure of success trying to add every KDE universe app to that list... [22:42] It just shouldn't happen, or at least should leave KDE alone [22:43] I'm hitting the hay now. See you all tomorrow. [23:04] * txwikinger wonders if they don't have beds in Belgium [23:24] hmmm... clicking on the karmic->lucid upgrade notification icon shows Ubuntu release notes, with no mention of Kubuntu [23:36] and in the middle of the upgrade (downloading...) a KPackageKit notification just popped up telling me there are 36 updates available, and that lucid is out and offering me to start upgrading [23:49] neversfelde: Congratulations. [23:51] amichair: Those release notes are for the Ubuntu project as a whole, not just Ubuntu desktop. [23:52] ScottK: I see. Still would be nice to have a link or two to kubuntu, not all links to ubuntu. [23:53] Generally they have one I thought. [23:53] Perhaps it was neglected this time. [23:53] (I haven't looked) [23:53] could be. And probably too late now :-) [23:53] neversfelde: congrats :) I knew MOTU, what does MOTO stand for? [23:55] Master of the Universe [23:55] nah, that's MOTU, he talks about MOTO >- [23:55] Ah, no idea then. [23:56] I suspect it means apachelogger can't spell. [23:56] likely... [23:56] apachelogger: how did your Math test go?