[00:00] <ScottK> You can add things to the systray via right click on it.
[00:09] <txwikinger> shtylman: I figured it out
[00:09] <txwikinger> open the configuration of the knetworkmanager and click on the checkbox for displaying it in the systray
[00:13] <ScottK> Ah, so it was hiding, not stopped.
[00:13] <shtylman> ahh
[00:20] <shtylman> ScottK: did your reinstall go well?
[00:26] <shtylman> my global shortcuts to launch apps don't work... :(
[01:25] <jjesse> if i install ubuntu-netbook-edition on top of kubuntu netbook remix can i easily switch betweeen the two? (goal is test  unity and see what it looks like)
[01:57] <txwikinger> ScottK: No it was stopped... there was no network connection until I started it
[01:57] <txwikinger> but being in the systray, the systray may start it now.. I have no idea
[01:58] <txwikinger> it's really odd
[02:11]  * valorie is finding knetworkmanager to be v e r y  s l o w to start
[02:11] <valorie> in lucid
[02:12] <valorie> seems like a whole lotta stuff loads first, when since it's web stuff -- should start afterwards
[02:12] <txwikinger> valorie: yes.. it starts very late
[02:12] <valorie> like my weather widge
[02:12] <valorie> t
[02:12] <txwikinger> after all the stuff that wants to use the internet
[02:12] <valorie> that seems like a programming error, way deep in the startup stuff
[02:17] <txwikinger> I think the network should be started by upstart, not the desktop
[02:20] <valorie> I suppose that's ubuntu-stuff, rather than kubuntu level?
[02:21] <txwikinger> well.. both gnome and kde are doing this network manager stuff
[02:21] <txwikinger> I guess because of adhoc wireless and it is either to confihg
[02:21] <txwikinger> configure this on gui than in config files
[06:30] <jontheechidna> Good morning Kubuntu
[07:15] <apachelogger> imbrandon: like apple obeys standards of others so much :P
[07:16] <apachelogger> jussi: still downloading ubuntu to see what a memenu is :P
[07:16] <apachelogger> though I see there is a slot assigned to DX memenu today, probably should check it out
[07:16] <apachelogger> though I've got math exam at 16:30
[07:17]  * apachelogger maybe should be learning
[09:41] <Mamarok> Riddell: ship.it was extremly fast, got 300 CDs this morning. Thanks a lot!
[09:42] <Mamarok> give my regards to Maria, she really does a tremendous job :)
[09:42] <ScottK> Mamarok: I'm sitting next to him and showed him.
[09:42] <ScottK> Mamarok: Check to make sure the CDs are actually Kubuntu and not some other flavor.
[09:43] <Tm_T> why I did read that as "showered him" ... ):
[09:46] <Mamarok> the two packs on top are Kubuntu, et's see the two at the bottom
[09:46] <Mamarok> yep, all Kubuntu 10.04
[09:46]  * Mamarok is happy
[09:47] <apachelogger> \o/
[09:47] <Mamarok> apachelogger: don't be afraid, he doesn't bite :)
[09:47] <apachelogger> who?
[09:47] <apachelogger> the dictator?
[09:47] <apachelogger> or Tm_T
[09:47] <apachelogger> that said
[09:48] <Tm_T> apachelogger: I'm not dictator?
[09:48] <apachelogger> Tm_T: mom, you need to see a therapist
[09:48] <apachelogger> why would ScottK shower Riddell?
[09:48]  * apachelogger is all confused today
[09:49] <Tm_T> apachelogger: I ate the therapist
[09:49] <apachelogger> Oo
[09:49] <apachelogger> oh dear
[09:49] <apachelogger> on a positve note
[09:49] <apachelogger> I did make the movies today
[09:49] <apachelogger> http://blip.tv/file/get/Apachelogger-InstallAmarokScripts606.ogv
[09:56] <txwikinger> btw.. amarok works well listening to the UDS streams
[09:58] <Mamarok> txwikinger: not only for that :)
[09:58] <Mamarok> apachelogger: nice video :)
[09:58] <txwikinger> Mamarok: :)
[09:59] <txwikinger> Mamarok: There was a question about that yesterday
[09:59] <Mamarok> what question?
[10:02] <apachelogger> interestingly enough technology fails me again
[10:54] <txwikinger> Mamarok: if amarok works well with the uds streams
[11:09] <shtylman> nixternal: ubuntu one session right now
[11:09] <shtylman> #ubuntu-uds-delfino
[11:15] <shtylman> apachelogger: ^
[11:15] <shtylman> ooo .. I see you joined
[11:17] <shadeslayer> how do i install a app from a bzr branch?
[11:17] <Tm_T> bzr-buildpackage is your friend (if possible, that is)
[11:18] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: this builds a deb?
[11:18] <jussi> apachelogger: figure out what the me menu is yet? :D
[11:19] <shadeslayer> ^^ hehe :)
[11:20] <shadeslayer> oh and btw bug 453260 happens with numeric keys as well
[11:21] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: yes it does
[11:22] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: okies.. im building it from bzr branch then :P
[11:23] <shadeslayer> i havent been able to use KDE with my Wifi network for the past 3 days :P
[11:26] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: bah : gpg: skipped "Anthony Mercatante <tonio@ubuntu.com>": secret key not available
[11:26] <Tm_T> awww
[11:26] <shadeslayer> it fails to sign it.. cant i skip the sign part
[11:27] <Tm_T> I thought it skipped it
[11:27] <shadeslayer> Tonio_: whats your secret key? :P
[11:27] <crimsun> 0x42
[11:27] <shadeslayer> Tonio_: oohhh i haz debs in build area
[11:27] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: no, you should have the package below the build area
[11:27] <Tm_T> so cd ../
[11:28] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: http://paste.ubuntu.com/431599/
[11:28] <Tonio_> shadeslayer: ;)
[11:29] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: so it didn't do it successfully
[11:29] <shadeslayer> Tonio_: btw i see that you maintain the rekonq package,and i would like to adopt it
[11:29] <shadeslayer> Tonio_: :(
[11:29] <shadeslayer> bah
[11:29] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: ^^
[11:30] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: im guessing bzr directly imports from svn.... right?
[11:30] <shadeslayer> ( wrt to plasma-widget-networkmanagement )
[11:30] <shadeslayer> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/plasma-widget-networkmanagement/lucid 
[11:30] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: err, bzr has what has been committed to it, I don't think it does any import
[11:31] <Tonio_> shadeslayer: adopt ?
[11:31] <shadeslayer> Tonio_: under adopt a upstream
[11:32] <shadeslayer> !adopt
[11:32] <shadeslayer> beh
[11:32] <shadeslayer> Tonio_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Upstream/Adopt
[11:33] <shtylman> apachelogger: these is a me menu session today as well iirc
[11:33] <shtylman> I was gonna drop by that too
[11:34] <jussi> yeah, 3pm
[11:34] <shtylman> cool
[11:34] <shtylman> jussi: am I supposed to do a session today?
[11:34]  * apachelogger got exam at 16:30
[11:34] <Tonio_> shadeslayer: ah ! this ;)
[11:34] <shtylman> apachelogger: bummer :(
[11:35] <Tonio_> shadeslayer: I tend to use "standard" words to talk about that :)
[11:35] <shadeslayer> Tonio_: yep... im involved with rekonq upstream
[11:35] <shadeslayer> hehe
[11:35] <Tonio_> shadeslayer: if you want to take care of the packaging, maintain and so on, please do ;)
[11:35] <jussi> shtylman: yes, last session in ebene
[11:36] <shtylman> jussi: gotcha
[11:36] <shtylman> title is a bit misnamed ... but we will work with it :)
[11:36] <shadeslayer> Tonio_: oh i already help with the daily git package :)
[11:36] <jussi> shtylman: yeah
[11:37] <jussi> shtylman: we can work it out
[11:37] <shtylman> yep.. I also have the working demo
[11:37] <shtylman> made sure last night that it still ran and whatnot
[11:39] <ghostcube> apachelogger: is this your voice in the vid :D
[11:41] <apachelogger> sure
[11:41] <apachelogger> :P
[11:45] <ghostcube> sounds so youthy
[11:45] <ghostcube> :D
[11:45] <ghostcube> http://www.brainblog.to/item/2010/05/smartphone-gitarre   thats cool guys
[12:35] <apachelogger> ghostcube: that is because I am young and beautiful, just like every other kubuntu developer
[12:35]  * ghostcube thinks its a rumor *run*
[12:36] <ghostcube> :D
[12:36] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/431625/
[12:36] <apachelogger> totally
[12:37] <ghostcube> ui ubuntuone kde?
[12:38] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/431627/
[12:38] <ghostcube> -.-
[12:44] <ghostcube> apachelogger: any date for testing the kde version?
[12:44] <ghostcube> i dont have an account till now
[12:44] <ghostcube> :D
[12:46] <apachelogger> ghostcube: end of may possibly
[12:56] <ghostcube> apachelogger: cool
[13:55] <Sput> apachelogger: you'll be in Randa as well, yes?
[13:56] <apachelogger> yes
[13:56] <Sput> cool, so we shall meet again
[14:14] <apachelogger> Sput: that sounds scary :P
[14:14] <shtylman> do we actually want a me menu?
[14:14] <shtylman> I don't want to clutter the panel too much..
[14:15] <shtylman> maybe if we get rid of other cruft?
[14:15] <Riddell> I've not heard any cries that it's a notable missing feature
[14:15] <Tm_T> shtylman: yeah, like clock and taskmanager
[14:15] <shtylman> Riddell: true
[14:15] <apachelogger> get rid of the systray!
[14:15] <shtylman> apachelogger: yes
[14:15] <apachelogger> shywe can always add a new panel ;)
[14:15] <shtylman> I have been trying to rally interest to do that :)
[14:16] <debfx> anyone going to linuxtag berlin?
[14:17] <apachelogger> hooray
[14:17] <apachelogger> I am getting a "OtherError"
[14:17] <apachelogger> debfx: I think it is colliding with something important for me
[14:18] <debfx> oh too bad
[14:30] <Riddell> spec no 1 https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuMaverickKolab  
[14:30] <shtylman> wooooo
[14:31] <jjesse> wow
[14:47] <somekool> hi ! 
[14:48] <somekool> I'm trying various KDE apps under Gnome. and Amarok does not play a music
[14:48] <somekool> I could configure phonon properly to use Pulse Audio
[14:48] <somekool> but clicking on playlist entry failes
[14:48] <somekool> no error message
[14:48] <somekool> I'll trying loading amarok from the terminal
[14:50] <Riddell> if Amarok isn't showing that it's playing there's a problem with Amarok (maybe you're playing an MP3 file without support installed?)
[14:50] <Riddell> if it's showing that it's playing but there's no sound that's probably an issue with pulseaudio or sound drivers
[14:50] <somekool> maybe that's it 
[14:51] <somekool> missing mp3 "driver"? 
[14:52] <Riddell> install libxine1-ffmpeg
[14:55] <somekool> thanks
[14:56] <Riddell> complimentary spec https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ServerMaverickKolab
[14:56] <somekool> some people around me are saying Kubuntu should be called differently and be distinguised further....
[14:59] <somekool> great to see Kolab project coming to life
[15:35] <ForgeAus> does Kget use aria2c? (multi-sourcing downloads can be useful)
[15:46] <ScottK> If there a Kubuntu person at UDS that can go to https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/permissive-mounts next session?
[15:46] <ScottK> It seems like something we should be at....
[15:48] <nixternal> you aren't at uds?
[15:48] <ScottK> I am, but I need to go to a different session then.
[15:48] <nixternal> ahh, thought you were
[15:48] <nixternal> well, i made it to part 2 of the interview ScottK, mr. watson is next to interview me :D
[16:38] <jontheechidna> ScottK: Riddell and I are there
[16:39] <ScottK> I'm in the UDD session.
[16:39] <ScottK> jontheechidna: Great.
[16:40] <jontheechidna> Most of the proposed solutions seem so far to be fairly low-level
[16:44] <ArGGu^^> Hello
[16:45] <ArGGu^^> I using Kubuntu 10.04
[16:45] <ArGGu^^> And with my A4 Tech mouse the sorting when I click head of the column does not work
[16:45] <ArGGu^^> but another mouse it works
[16:46] <ArGGu^^> Tested this on system monitor and dolphin.
[16:46] <ArGGu^^> *with another mouse it works
[16:47] <ArGGu^^> It work on Kubuntu 9.10
[16:49] <ArGGu^^> Is there some way to debug what happens when I click head of a column
[16:57] <puyehue74> Hi, sorting items in the dolphin and kmail list view works fine with my touchpad, but it doesnt with my A4tech mouse. Is there a way how to check whats happening? Sorting the quassel channel list works ok with both
[16:58] <Riddell> ArGGu^^: that's not an issue I've heard of and it sounds very strange (assuming the mouse clicks work in every other use)
[16:58] <Riddell> ArGGu^^: it would need a small application to check if qt is recieving the mouse clicks or not
[16:58] <Riddell> puyehue74: ^^
[16:59] <ArGGu^^> So it jus easier to get new mouse :S
[16:59] <ArGGu^^> *just
[16:59] <apachelogger> phew, now that was one exhausting exam alright
[16:59] <apachelogger> though before I left I was able to do a full oauth exchange with one.ubuntu.com using my Qt code!
[17:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: shouldn't you have been revising before you left?!
[17:02]  * apachelogger gets anxious from that
[17:11] <puyehue74> Riddell: excuse me, but what does "^^" mean?
[17:16]  * apachelogger is wondering how long it takes neversfelde to get is MOTO application done :P
[17:24] <apachelogger> party
[17:24] <apachelogger> neversfelde is moto now!
[17:24] <neversfelde> hehe
[17:25] <neversfelde> apachelogger: and I am the only moto, I guess
[17:25] <apachelogger> yeah
[17:25] <apachelogger> totally alienated yourself there :P
[17:26] <maco> neversfelde: congrats!
[17:26] <neversfelde> there is a security problem with kget
[17:26] <neversfelde> maco: thank you
[17:26] <maco> puyehue74: it's an emoticon. like when in anime they draw the eyes as little upside down U's because the people are all grinning/smiling and cheery
[17:27]  * apachelogger thinks neversfelde will fix a security issue using his fancy new moto powers and asking one of those nice sponsors do to the sponsoring
[17:28] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I must admit, I do not know what to do :)
[17:28] <apachelogger> !security-update
[17:28] <puyehue74> maco: thanks
[17:28]  * apachelogger hates when the bot queries him
[17:28] <neversfelde> is it the same process for security fixes as for SRUs?
[17:28] <apachelogger> tsimpson: that is a total design fault IMHO :P
[17:29] <apachelogger> neversfelde: mostly
[17:29] <apachelogger> neversfelde: it is documented somewhere in teh wiki I am sure
[17:29] <neversfelde> ok, I will start working on it, after a small break 
[17:29]  * apachelogger notes that it's been ages since he did a security update himself
[17:30] <tsimpson> @channel plugins.Encyclopedia.privateNotFound False
[17:30] <apachelogger> \o/
[17:30] <tsimpson> !apachelogger-factoid
[17:31] <tsimpson> ideally it'd be a "user option", but that'd require everyone on IRC to be registered with ubottu
[17:31]  * maco got a call from Red Hat today
[17:31] <apachelogger> maco: do they want to get you for rhel?
[17:31] <apachelogger> or do they want to sue you for talking badly about rhel?
[17:32] <maco> apachelogger: trying to convince me to pay munnies for training before i take the rhct exasm
[17:32] <maco> *exam
[17:32] <apachelogger> ahhh
[17:32] <apachelogger> I knew it was about money
[17:33] <apachelogger> omg
[17:33]  * apachelogger needs to go to hooters soonish Oo
[17:34] <debfx> has anyone some spare time to review a very small (non-kde) package which I've already tried to get into lucid? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/clamz
[17:34]  * apachelogger just lol'd about that picture
[17:34] <debfx> it's a downloader for the amazon mp3 store
[17:35] <tsimpson> what is the .debian.tar.gz?
[17:36] <debfx> the new 3.0 (quilt) source package format
[17:36] <debfx> replacement for the .diff.gz
[17:36] <tsimpson> ah yes, 3.0, I remember now
[17:37] <maco> apachelogger: er.... "omg" and "need" .... about hooters.... why?
[17:38] <maco> oh good im not the only one still flailing about going "thsi file! its one i never heard of! oh dear ive forgotten how to package!"
[17:38] <apachelogger> gotta acompany some friends who happen to have insight in the exercise for my c++ course ;)
[17:43] <apachelogger> also I need to get wasted and celebrate that I implemented a http daemon in Qt and did oauth to u1
[17:43] <apachelogger> but that is a different story
[17:45]  * apachelogger wanted to do something fancy with his authhandler but eventually forgot while he was looking for documentation
[17:45] <tsimpson> debfx: there are a few lintian errors
[17:45] <tsimpson> debfx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/431773/
[17:54] <debfx> tsimpson: what build environment do you use?
[17:54] <debfx> when I build the package it doesn't contain those files
[17:54] <tsimpson> debfx: at the moment I'm on karmic
[17:54] <tsimpson> I haven't had the time to upgrade
[17:57] <debfx> tsimpson: could you please give me the build log?
[17:57] <tsimpson> debfx: I see calls to update-desktop-database and update-mime-database in the install
[17:57] <tsimpson> one sec
[17:58] <tsimpson> debfx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/431778/
[17:58] <debfx> ok it doesn't generate those cache files for me as the update-* tools don't exist in my pbuilder environment
[17:59] <tsimpson> I just rand debuild, maybe that's it
[17:59] <tsimpson> if pbuilder doesn't run the tools, it should be ok
[18:21] <debfx> tsimpson: should be fixed now
[18:23] <debfx> tsimpson: thanks, I wouldn't have spotted this as I basically only build with pbuilder
[18:24] <tsimpson> everything else looks ok to me
[18:39] <ofirk> I am trying to change my preferences at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UserPreferences, but when I hit Save it says "This email already belongs to somebody else." and doesn't save my selection
[18:39] <ofirk> does anyone know something about this error?
[19:17] <Riddell> ofirk: UserPreferences working ok for me
[19:19] <ofirk> Riddell: so it is probably a problem with my account... who I need to contact in order to fix this?
[19:20] <Riddell> ofirk: our ever responsive canonical sysadmins
[19:21] <ofirk> Riddell: they are more responsive when you talk them face to face?
[19:26] <Riddell> ofirk: I don't know, I haven't seen one to talk to them :(
[19:27] <ofirk> Riddell: how is at the UDS? (I never been at one)
[19:29] <maco> ofirk: did you change your email address on lp maybe?
[19:29] <maco> or your username?
[19:29] <ofirk> I think not
[19:29] <maco> somene else mentioned the same problem recently when they did one of those
[19:30] <ofirk> but maybe... I can't remember 
[19:30] <ofirk> and he found a solution?
[19:31] <maco> sent them to #canonical-sysadmin
[19:31] <Riddell> ofirk: good waffles and good beer in this country
[19:31] <jjesse> belgian waffles?
[19:31] <ofirk> maco: already sent
[19:31] <ofirk> Riddell: I love belgian waffles!
[19:31] <Riddell> jjesse: chocolate belgian waffles.  nuff said I think
[19:31] <jjesse> you win :)
[19:32] <ofirk> they are fantastic (although I never ate a real  belgian waffles :)
[19:32] <Riddell> ofirk: you should come to UDS :)
[19:32] <Riddell> then you can hunt down sysadmins 
[19:33] <ofirk> Riddell: only if I could stop everything here :)
[19:33] <Riddell> and bribe them with chocolate waffles
[19:33] <ofirk> oh, this is good to know how bribe powerful men ;)
[19:33] <ofirk> *how to
[19:46] <amichair> mmmm.... waffles....
[20:16] <ofirk> I just noticed that there is a mistake in the folder properties dialog
[20:16] <ofirk> It doesn't calculate remaining space accurately...
[20:16] <ofirk> http://imagebin.ca/view/5PhcI5.html
[20:16] <ofirk> =916.6-37.7
[20:17] <ofirk> =878.9
[20:17] <ofirk> and not 832
[20:19] <Riddell> GiB vs GB error?
[20:19] <ofirk> so what is true?
[20:19] <ofirk> but both of them are in GiB
[20:20] <ofirk> the difference is that GB is 1000MB and GiB is 1024MiB?
[20:20] <Riddell> maybe one lies and is actually in GB?
[20:21] <ofirk> maybe :|
[20:23] <Sput> ofirk: other way round
[20:23] <Sput> ah, no
[20:23] <Sput> sry, still getting confused by people trying to apply logics to math
[20:24] <ofirk> so what is true :?
[20:24] <Sput> (meaning, it's totally stupid to apply the denary system to an architecture based on 2s)
[20:24] <ofirk> indeed
[20:41] <nixternal> so how is the uds going thus far for us? been kind of hard for me to follow along, as i wake up for the last 2...hoping to catch some of the earlier ones in the next couple of nights though
[20:42] <shadeslayer> nixternal: ah finally!
[20:42] <nixternal> just watched a video on dev workflow that i wish i was part of....wondering how low of a barrier they want for developers...i know i wouldn't want it low enough that my brother could become a developer
[20:42] <shadeslayer> nixternal: i want to make a plymouth theme...
[20:42] <nixternal> shadeslayer: yeah, i tried to answer you yesterday but you disconnected
[20:42] <nixternal> shadeslayer: the plymouth theme is part of kubuntu-default-settings under the /lib directory
[20:43] <jjesse> floss dev workflow?
[20:43] <nixternal> all of the artwork is there
[20:43] <nixternal> jjesse: ubuntu dev workflow
[20:43] <shadeslayer> nixternal: heres the wallpaper : http://ubuntuone.com/p/3JB/
[20:43] <shadeslayer> nixternal: ah ok
[20:43] <nixternal> oh, that is f'n sexy dude
[20:43] <nixternal> holy shit, that is truly hot!
[20:44] <shadeslayer> nixternal: yeah..
[20:44] <nixternal> did you do that wallpaper?
[20:44] <jjesse> slow loading
[20:44] <shadeslayer> nixternal: nope
[20:44] <shadeslayer> nixternal: http://ubuntuone.com/p/3JD/
[20:44] <nixternal> damn, that wallpaper alone would make me use gnome i think :)
[20:44] <shadeslayer> just the wallpaper
[20:44] <shadeslayer> nixternal: lol....
[20:44] <jjesse> i can't get the whole page to load
[20:44] <nixternal> hehe
[20:45] <shadeslayer> jjesse: try a refresh
[20:45] <nixternal> i played softball on mother's day, and i have muscles that haven't been used in years letting me know, "You shouldn't have done that fat ass!"
[20:45] <shadeslayer> nixternal: i think thats a awesome wallpaper for plymouth
[20:45] <nixternal> those using nvidia would shit a brick with that though :D
[20:45] <shadeslayer> nixternal: hah! i have a workaround
[20:46] <nixternal> orly? what's that
[20:46] <jjesse> firefox on windows 7 throws me an error on the page "Image cannot be displayed because it contains errors"
[20:46] <shadeslayer> nixternal: http://paste.ubuntu.com/431856/
[20:47] <nixternal> video=vesafb would fix that?
[20:47] <shadeslayer> nixternal: and your res... also you need to insert the uvesafb module into the initrd
[20:48] <shadeslayer> nixternal: http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Fix-the-Big-and-Ugly-Plymouth-Logo-in-Ubuntu-10-04-140810.shtml 
[20:48] <nixternal> oh nice...good find there
[20:48] <shadeslayer> nixternal: i edited the boot options a bit though
[20:50] <shadeslayer> nixternal: wheres the background stored exactly?
[20:51] <shadeslayer> oh i think we cant change the background image.. right>
[20:51] <nixternal> shadeslayer: it is hex colors divided by 255 :)
[20:52] <shadeslayer> i thought so :(
[20:52] <nixternal> there is no image, it is just a top and bottom color code, plymouth takes care of the rest
[20:52] <nixternal> have to go do something...bbiab
[20:53] <shadeslayer> nixternal: bye
[21:01] <txwikinger> Riddell has a new Prime Minister.. not sure who it is yet though... could be Scotland just declared independence ;)
[21:02] <maco> jjesse: firefox on windows 7 works fine to see that image for me
[21:03] <Riddell> txwikinger: missed our chance :(
[21:03] <txwikinger> Riddell: I just stated somewhere else that Scots and Canadians have a lot in common
[21:04] <txwikinger> both don't like the neighbors to their South ;)
[21:04] <Riddell> I knew I should have been in London tonight, could have slipped into Buckingham palace after Gordon left and put myself forward for the empty position
[21:05] <jjesse> i would've voted for Riddell and i'm not even eligble :)
[21:05] <neversfelde> lol
[21:57] <jontheechidna> ScottK: How did you and agateau make out for dinner?
[21:57] <jontheechidna> hmm, I see that that was a pretty poorly-worded question
[21:57] <jontheechidna> What were the results of your search for dinner?
[22:03] <nixternal> ROFL!!!!
[22:03] <nixternal> holy shit jontheechidna, i just wet myself on that one
[22:04] <Tm_T> silly hu-mans
[22:20] <jontheechidna> nixternal: :P
[22:27] <txwikinger> nixternal: It seems very easy to rattle you ;)
[22:27] <txwikinger> how are the hawks doin btw
[22:31] <nixternal> one more game to go against san jose
[22:31]  * nixternal is out...food then cycling
[22:33] <jontheechidna> ScottK: For the "Universe is translatable" spec tomorrow, do you think you could attend? I'd really like to attend dantti's printer-tools presentation, but we really need somebody from stopping this from happening.
[22:34] <jontheechidna> Way, way, way too much overhead would be required for every single KDE package in universe
[22:35] <jontheechidna> Taking the .desktop files for example. pkgtranslationmangler strips all the translations out of those, so we have to set a template name in debian/rules, and then add a script to kde-l10n-* to fetch the .desktop translations from kde svn.
[22:35] <jontheechidna> This is somewhat doable with the monolithic KDE packages, with some problems
[22:35] <crimsun> that sounds like a horrible, horrible hack
[22:36] <jontheechidna> well, yes. but only because rosetta/pkgtranslationmangler is very good at deleting these translations from the .desktop files, but not at extracting them
[22:36] <jontheechidna> since gnome doesn't put their translations in a .desktop file in the first place, nobody must, the reasoning probably goes
[22:37] <jontheechidna> Anyways, this is totally unfeasible for universe. Most apps aren't even in kde svn receiving .translation support. Once pkgtranslationmangler does it's thing, the translations have poofed, never to be seen again
[22:37] <crimsun> ugh?
[22:37] <crimsun> I know several packages shipping translations in .desktop files
[22:39] <jontheechidna> so then, it's not just KDE that will be affected if pkgbinarymangler (or pkgtranslationmangler in particular) starts munging on universe
[22:39] <jontheechidna> at the very least, translating universe must not strip translations from .desktop files
[22:41] <jontheechidna> But that aside, making translations from KDE's core modules is too much work already. I can't imagine that we'll have any measure of success trying to add every KDE universe app to that list...
[22:42] <jontheechidna> It just shouldn't happen, or at least should leave KDE alone
[22:43] <jontheechidna> I'm hitting the hay now. See you all tomorrow.
[23:04]  * txwikinger wonders if they don't have beds in Belgium
[23:24] <amichair> hmmm... clicking on the karmic->lucid upgrade notification icon shows Ubuntu release notes, with no mention of Kubuntu
[23:36] <amichair> and in the middle of the upgrade (downloading...) a KPackageKit notification just popped up telling me there are 36 updates available, and that lucid is out and offering me to start upgrading
[23:49] <ScottK> neversfelde: Congratulations.
[23:51] <ScottK> amichair: Those release notes are for the Ubuntu project as a whole, not just Ubuntu desktop.
[23:52] <amichair> ScottK: I see. Still would be nice to have a link or two to kubuntu, not all links to ubuntu.
[23:53] <ScottK> Generally they have one I thought.
[23:53] <ScottK> Perhaps it was neglected this time.
[23:53] <ScottK> (I haven't looked)
[23:53] <amichair> could be. And probably too late now :-)
[23:53] <Mamarok> neversfelde: congrats :) I knew MOTU, what does MOTO stand for?
[23:55] <ScottK> Master of the Universe
[23:55] <Mamarok> nah, that's MOTU, he talks about MOTO >-
[23:55] <ScottK> Ah, no idea then.
[23:56] <ScottK> I suspect it means apachelogger can't spell.
[23:56] <Mamarok> likely...
[23:56] <Mamarok> apachelogger: how did your Math test go?