[00:00] <arand> And now meerkat is not even a good fallback, before ther was at least ibex that was short and sweet... But anyways, I'm probably the only one obsessiong about it, so nevermind
[00:01] <BUGabundo> yeah
[00:01] <BUGabundo> I said that yesterday
[00:01] <BUGabundo> names are tooo big
[00:01] <poutine> I think the furry names need to go away
[00:01] <poutine> it's completely unprofessional
[00:01] <poutine> like the porn wallpaper a few releases back
[00:01] <BUGabundo> LOL
[00:01] <BUGabundo> use the numbers
[00:03] <kklimonda> hey, those wallpapers were the best!
[00:03] <BUGabundo> humm
[00:03] <BUGabundo> did I miss something ????
[00:03] <BUGabundo> pr0n?
[00:04] <zekoZeko> anyone here good at packaging? It's actually on debian testing that i have a problem, package compiles with libdb4.8 but links against libdb4.7.
[00:04] <kklimonda> nothing like a good looking lass when you login into your system
[00:05] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: oh, you know - the wallpapers from older releases where nice looking ladies were smiling..
[00:08] <BUGabundo> don't recall that
[00:19] <arand> zekoZeko: If not here, maybe #ubuntu-motu, or #ubuntu-packaging, but then again, uds busies a lot of the regulars nowatimes
[00:21] <zekoZeko> arand: nevermind, i think i got it, rebuilding the package now.
[00:21] <zekoZeko> or not :(
[00:43] <BUGabundo> To the bed sheets , Mi Lord!
[00:57] <DanaG> bummer... plymouth doesn't get along well with uvesafb.
[01:02] <DanaG> also weird: xorg-edgers plus savage gives abi mismatch.
[01:02] <DanaG> (EE) module ABI major version (6) doesn't match the server's version (7)
[01:29] <h00k> I'm trying out Unity...this is really neat.
[05:23] <BPower> So what is Ubuntu Maverick?
[05:24] <ChogyDan> the next release, eh?
[05:27] <h00k> !mm
[05:27] <BPower> Really? They just released Lucid and they're going to release a new release in 6 months?
[05:27] <h00k> !maverick
[05:27] <h00k> !release | BPower
[05:27] <BPower> What is Lucid?
[05:27] <BPower> 10.__
[05:28] <BPower> !lucid
[05:28] <BPower> So 10.04 will be supported for 5 years and 10.10 will be supported for 18 months.
[05:28] <BPower> right?
[05:29] <h00k> 5 years on the server, 3 on the desktop
[05:29] <h00k> and 10.10 is not an LTS
[05:29] <h00k> !lts | BPower
[05:29] <BPower> ya i know LTS, I should have just said that.
[05:29] <BPower> haha
[05:30] <BPower> Interesting.
[05:31] <BPower> Thanks all :) Peace
[05:35] <ddecator> so testdrive doesn't work for maverick yet?
[05:38] <nishanth> can someone help me with a flash player full screen issue?
[05:39] <ddecator> what's the issue?
[05:39] <nishanth> well when i click the full screen icon it video freezes and does not work in full screen
[05:41] <ddecator> can't say i've ever run into that...
[05:44] <nishanth> anyone else know to solve the flash full screen problem?
[05:49] <nishanth> someone alive here?????////
[05:54] <ddecator> heh, a lot of people are at UDS, so most of the official channels will be slow this week
[05:56] <nishanth> do you know how to install flash player on lucid?
[06:01] <ddecator> ubuntu-restricted-extras
[07:10] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/437429 -- interesting.  setting /apps/gdm/simple-greeter/settings-manager-plugins/media-keys/active to true works.
[07:12] <ddecator> there wasn't?
[07:14] <DanaG> I'm not sure what the state is now... but I do know that the hotkeys don't work at gdm.
[07:14] <DanaG> Volume, mute, and brightness.
[07:14] <DanaG> Setting that gconf key makes them work.
[07:15] <ddecator> is this for maverick?
[07:16] <DanaG> hmm, it's not maverick-specific, but I suppose they could fix it in maverick.
[07:16] <DanaG> !blueprints
[07:16]  * DanaG goes to google.
[07:17] <DanaG> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat
[07:18] <DanaG> I read that thing from Shuttleworth about app indicators... interesting idea, but could be messy.
[07:19] <DanaG> I'm using some gnome-panel addins that put the window title and buttons (on the right) in the top menu bar.
[07:19] <ddecator> the windicators?
[07:19] <DanaG> er, panel.
[07:19] <DanaG> http://gnome-look.org/content/mycontent.php?PHPSESSID=76536a773d74a9d34800a80dfd480b68
[07:25] <cwillu> dead link
[07:25] <cwillu> I'm not going to register an account just to look at a gnome-look.org screenshot :p
[07:25] <ddecator> cwillu: heh, that was my thought exactly when i clicked the link
[07:26] <ddecator> even if they do accept openid..
[07:26] <DanaG> stupid gnome-look.
[07:26] <DanaG> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=103732
[07:28] <ddecator> ah, but windicators won't include that many indicators (most likely), looks like they just took the panel and moved it to the title bar in that pic
[07:28] <cwillu> yep
[07:29] <DanaG> This is the other way around.... the title bar joins the panel.
[07:29] <ddecator> that's what they'll do for netbooks
[07:29] <DanaG> Though, the title applet isn't draggable -- and if you set it to DejaVu Sans 8.5, returning to the preferences dialog tends to do very bad things.
[07:29] <DanaG> That is, it shows font name as uninitialized memory.
[07:30] <DanaG> I actually use that thing even on my 1920x1200 laptop.
[07:30] <ddecator> except winidicators will be next to panel indicators which seems confusing since they'll look the same (at least for the screenshots i've seen)
[07:30] <DanaG> And by "very bad things", here's an example: on my netbook, one time it made the preferences window 5 screens wide... exceeded maximum texture size (and so killed compiz)... and then locked up the intel GPU.
[07:31] <DanaG> And on fglrx, it once brought down the entire kernel -- hard-lock with heartbeat dead.
[07:33] <cwillu> news flash:  closed source video driver causes crash;  details at 11:00 :p
[07:37] <ddecator> i am relatively impressed with nvidia drivers though; i've had little trouble with them (much less than those with ati, haha)
[07:38] <DanaG> ddecator: try that applet on for size.
[07:38] <DanaG> I'm curious to see how nvidia will handle it.
[07:38] <ddecator> which one?
[07:38] <DanaG> The title one that killed stuff. =þ
[07:40] <ddecator> heh, i'd rather not rish killing everything =p
[07:42] <ddecator> risk...
[07:43]  * ddecator can't type tonight
[08:36] <nishanth> E: flashplugin-installer: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2  anyone know what the heck is this msg?
[08:39] <ddecator> is there more to it?
[08:40] <nishanth> no just that much
[08:41] <ddecator> hard to tell without more of a context as to what the problem it ran into was
[08:42] <nishanth> well this came up when i tried to remove flashplugin player
[08:42] <ddecator> oh, you tried to remove it? did you remove flashplugin-nonfree? just removing the installed doesn't remove flash
[08:42] <ddecator> installer*
[08:42] <nishanth> well i dont have nonfree installed
[08:43] <nishanth> just installer
[08:43] <nishanth> i actually installed openjdk-6 to fix smthng in flsah but then had to remove it
[08:43] <nishanth> after which my flash does not work
[08:44] <nishanth> so i am trying to remove and reinstall it
[08:44] <ddecator> ah, then try installing flashplugin-nonfree
[08:44] <nishanth> tried it did not work
[08:45] <ddecator> what happens when you try to load a flash video?
[08:45] <nishanth> E: flashplugin-installer: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[08:45] <nishanth> E: flashplugin-nonfree: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[08:45] <nishanth> this is the msg when i tried to install nonfree
[08:45] <ddecator> huh, i wonder what the dependency problem is..
[08:47] <nishanth> if this doesnot work i have to reinstall ubuntu once again
[08:48] <ddecator> how are you trying to install it?
[08:48] <nishanth> tried both synaptic and terminal
[08:48] <ddecator> and synaptic doesn't say anything about the dependencies before you try to install it?
[08:49] <nishanth> both give me this error msg
[08:50] <nishanth> i guess i will reinstall
[08:50] <ddecator> what if you use synaptic to mark the installer for reinstallation?
[08:50] <nishanth> same thing
[08:51] <ddecator> odd. i know there is a command to resolve dependency issues, but i can't remember what it is
[08:51] <nishanth> E: flashplugin-installer: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[08:51] <nishanth> E: flashplugin-nonfree: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[08:51] <nishanth> any clues or ideas?
[08:52] <ddecator> if you can resolve the dependency issue, then it should work
[08:52] <nishanth> but i dont know what dependency issue it is having
[08:53] <nishanth> i screwed up so much stuff
[08:53] <ddecator> right, i'm trying to find the command that automatically resolves dependencies
[08:53] <ddecator> try running 'sudo apt-get check'
[08:53] <nishanth> went to flashplugin-player / and removed libflashplayer.so
[08:53] <ddecator> that will tell if you there are unmet dependencies
[08:54] <nishanth> nishanth@nishanth-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get check
[08:54] <nishanth> [sudo] password for nishanth:
[08:54] <nishanth> Reading package lists... Done
[08:54] <nishanth> Building dependency tree
[08:54] <nishanth> Reading state information... Done
[08:55] <ddecator> dang
[08:55] <ddecator> alright, lets see what the dependencies are...
[08:55] <nishanth> as i said i might have screwed so many things
[08:56] <BUGabundo_remote> Strap your Pony, and bedazzle
[08:56] <nishanth> how can i see that?
[08:56] <ddecator> nishanth: just to make sure, when you try to install flashplugin-nonfree, you're not marking to change flashplugin-installer, are you?
[08:56] <ddecator> hey BUGabundo_remote
[08:57] <nishanth> there is no such thing as marking to change
[08:58] <ddecator> well i mean marking it uninstall or anything
[08:58] <nishanth> you mean to remove
[08:58] <ddecator> right
[08:58] <nishanth> or remove completely?
[08:59] <ddecator> either
[08:59] <nishanth> yes idid that earlier
[09:00] <nishanth> nonfree is removed but installer is not being removed
[09:00] <ddecator> but when you try to install flashplugin-nonfree, you're not marking flashplugin-installer for removal at the same time?
[09:00] <nishanth> nope
[09:00] <ddecator> ok good
[09:01] <ddecator> you can check to see if these are installed: nspluginwrapper, ia32-libs, debconf, wget, fontconfig
[09:01] <ddecator> those are the depends for flashplugin-installer. flashplugin-nonfree only depends on flashplugin-installer
[09:02] <nishanth> nspluginwrapper ....check
[09:02] <nishanth> ia32-libs...check
[09:03] <nishanth> debconf...check
[09:03] <nishanth> wget..check
[09:03] <nishanth> fontconfig...check
[09:03] <nishanth> yup all exist
[09:04] <ddecator> hm, then idk why flashplugin-nonfree won't install. you can get flash from the adobe site if you don't want to do a reinstall (unless someone else has any other ideas on how to resolve the issue)
[09:04] <nishanth> no one actually has any
[09:06] <ddecator> well this is a slow time of day. you can try asking in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-beginners for help since those are more support-oriented
[09:06] <nishanth> thanx anyway
[09:52] <cwillu> what does it actually hang with during the install?
[09:52] <cwillu> or crash, or whatever?
[09:52] <cwillu> flashplugin-installer: post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[09:53] <cwillu> what returns 2 in /var/lib/dpkg/info/flashplugin-installer.postinst
[09:54] <cwillu> changing set -e to set -xe in that file and reconfiguring may give you a clue
[09:54] <cwillu> nis^^^
[09:54] <cwillu> bah, gone
[11:55] <alex88> well..to start testing maverick, we need to wait alpha1?
[11:56] <BUGabundo_angry> no
[11:56] <BUGabundo_angry> I'm already on MM
[11:56] <alex88> oh...are there some updates? do you advice a clean setup or an upgrade from luci?
[11:56] <alex88> *lucid
[11:57] <BUGabundo_angry> upgraded
[11:59] <alex88> thanks..last thing.. just editing sources.list?
[12:00] <BUGabundo_angry> yep
[12:04] <alex88> thanks.. :)
[12:15] <alex88> mmhhh..what was that app to jail ssh users? that created jailed folder for all users?
[17:23] <dstansby> If a package in a dev release of ubuntu won't install because of conflicts, should I raise a bug on launchpad or just wait for it to be fixed?
[17:24] <gnomefreak> dstansby: depends on the pacakge but normally good to wait
[17:25] <gnomefreak> dstansby: all it is is its missing a depends being built (race to the finish line) type thing
[17:25] <dstansby> And I'd happily read the topic, but there's a bug in empathy that stops me from doing so :(
[17:26] <gnomefreak> sorry dont have it installed but when you try to install it do you get "it wanting to remove packages" or "broken packages"
[17:27] <yofel> dstansby: the topic should be displayed by typing '/topic' too
[17:28] <yofel> and I have a dozen packages or so with borken depends right now, so I doubt that it's a bug
[17:28] <dstansby> Usage: /topic <topic>: set the topic of the current conversation
[17:28] <dstansby> :(
[17:28] <dstansby> That's what I got from /topic
[17:28] <arand> dstansby: And another general advice is to find a better irc client than empathy
[17:29] <yofel> nod
[17:29] <arand> dstansby: Even freenode webchat is preferrable :(
[17:30]  * gnomefreak more concerned about why you expected it to work
[17:30] <dstansby> gnomefreak: Maverick or Empathy?
[17:30] <gnomefreak> Empathy in Maveric
[17:31] <dstansby> I'd expect it to be able to show me whole topic!
[17:31] <gnomefreak> dstansby: did it work in Lucid?
[17:32] <dstansby> gnomefreak: No
[17:32] <monkey_dust> hi all -- about DynDNS -- i have a fix IP address linked to an URL, but am unable to use either -- http finds my remote server, using the current DHCP WAN IP address, ok -- so how do I use DynDNS -- i have no easier way to put it
[17:32] <dstansby> The fix is upstream
[17:32] <gnomefreak> than file a bug on it or before you do that find out what it is set to use. did you try just /t
[17:33] <Pici> monkey_dust: This channel is for Maverick discussion/support only, if you're asking about Lucid, please use #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server
[17:33] <gnomefreak> monkey_dust: for general questions please join #ubuntu. this is only for Maverick devel
[17:33] <dstansby> gnomefreak: I've ubuntu-bugged it, found an existing bugreport and changed the status of it from fix released to fix committed
[17:34] <dstansby> aah, my window is expanding as I type
[17:34] <dstansby>  I really do need a new irc client
[17:34] <gnomefreak> we have plenty to choose from
[17:34] <monkey_dust> tnx gnomefreak
[17:34] <gnomefreak> np
[17:35]  * gnomefreak smoke
[17:36] <yofel> dstansby1: erm, which bug #?
[17:36] <dstansby1> Back in pidgin
[17:36] <dstansby1> With a different username for some reason
[17:38] <dstansby> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/392512
[17:55] <gnomefreak> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[17:57] <BUGabundo_remote> booooo
[18:25] <Ken8521> i have a laptop cooler pad on my laptop(USB) why would it be constantly shutting off and on?  Also, I notice the laser on my optical mouse, is constantly going dim/bright/dim/bright.. but appears tobe functional all the time
[18:25] <Ken8521> i have a laptop cooler pad on my laptop(USB) why would it be constantly shutting off and on?  Also, I notice the laser on my optical mouse, is constantly going dim/bright/dim/bright.. but appears tobe functional all the time
[18:26] <patdk-wk> your running maverik?
[18:27] <patdk-wk> optical mice are suppost to go dim/bright/dim/bright
[18:27] <Ken8521> no, thought i was un #ubuntu.. running 10.04...
[18:27] <Ken8521> they are?.. i've never noticed it before
[18:27] <patdk-wk> ya, only when they are being moved, do they stay bright
[18:27] <patdk-wk> otherwise they stay dim
[18:28] <patdk-wk> so normal usage would keep going back and forth
[18:28] <Ken8521> hm
[18:28] <Ken8521> ok
[18:28] <Ken8521> so why would my laptop cooling pad constantly shut off and on/(i thought the problems might be related, apparently not)
[18:29] <patdk-wk> it might not be your issue, cause the laptop cooler points to other issues :)
[18:29] <patdk-wk> it could only be two things I would think of
[18:29] <patdk-wk> not enough power on your usb ports
[18:29] <Nitsuga> is it possible to start using Maverick right now or i have to wait until June?
[18:29] <patdk-wk> or it doesn't id itself on the usb bus, so linux keeps shutting of that usb port
[18:29] <patdk-wk> I thought people where already using it :)
[18:30] <Ken8521> patdk-wk, #2 seems the most likely, because it works fine under XP
[18:33] <Nitsuga> patdk-wk, it is ok to sed s/lucid/maverick/g < /etc/apt/sources.list > /etc/apt/sources.list ? Because update-manager -c -d doesn't say that there's a new Ubuntu release...
[18:37] <Ken8521> patdk-wk, so any idea how to change that?
[18:41] <ratcheer> nitsuga: I was told to update sources.list the way you said for my testing installation, then do apt-get update, then spt-get dist-upgrade. It worked for me.
[18:41] <ratcheer> apt-get, not spt-get
[19:01] <Sweet> Hi, I'm having a problem that really needs to be fixed... I have no input from my mic on my Intel HDA sound card using coded Realtek ALC275, G45 DEVIBX
[19:01] <Sweet> I've tried everything and I'm looking for a workaround, anything will do...
[19:03] <Sweet> I'm running latest build of ubuntu lucid on a Sony Vaio VPC11X9E btw
[19:04] <arand> Sweet: Lucid support is in #ubuntu, this is for Maverick development support.
[19:05] <Sweet> arand: sry my mistake
[19:05] <arand> Sweet: General advice is to start alsamixer and muck about trying to find a good mic setting
[19:05] <Sweet> arand: been there
[19:05] <Sweet> arand: didn't work
[19:15] <Sweet> arand: could you help me out anyway? cause I have no luck on the #ubuntu channel...
[19:16] <Nitsuga> Sweet, something that happened to me abut this is that by some reason the imput was set in digitl mode instad of analogical
[19:16] <Nitsuga> sound preferences -> hardware -> Profile
[19:16] <arand> Sweet: That's about as much help as I can give, I don't have much experience with it either. Always useful to use the forums etc. as well, if you get no luck on irc
[19:17] <Sweet> Nitsuga: It says Analog Stereo Duplex
[19:18] <Nitsuga> Sweet, mine was in Digital stereo input (IEC958) + Analgo Stereo outut, put it in analog stereo duplex and worked
[19:18] <Nitsuga> but it seems it is ok for you
[19:19] <Nitsuga> Sweet, also check "connector" in the Input tab
[19:19] <Sweet> Nitsuga: yup, I'm farely sure it has something to do with my Intel HDA sounds card which uses Realtek ALC275 and G45 DEVIBX
[19:20] <Sweet> Nitsuga: Input tab says: Internal Audio Analog Stereo
[19:21] <Nitsuga> Sweet, Sound problems have always benn a mystery for me :P. Try different configurations and it may work.
[19:22] <Sweet> Nitsuga: OK thank you for your time
[19:23] <Sweet> Looking for an ALSA expert... ^^
[19:26] <Trewas> weird, rhythmbox stopped supporting multimedia keys (in lucid) and it started auto-opening when I plug in my cell-phone in mass-storage mode... so I removed and changed to banshee and all is good </enough about lucid> :)
[20:53] <BUGabundo> time to try unity
[20:53] <BUGabundo> wish me luck
[20:54] <zniavre> we got french word for that ...  :o)
[20:54] <shadeslayer> BUGabundo: dont
[20:54] <BUGabundo> bah
[20:54] <arand> Well, unity makes a whole lot of sense, but at the same time, donotwant.
[20:54] <shadeslayer> BUGabundo: it wont start.. just a white screen
[20:55] <BUGabundo> won't let me open a new accoutn for my user
[20:55] <BUGabundo> shadeslayer: I'm on MM
[20:55] <BUGabundo> not lucid
[20:55] <shadeslayer> oh
[20:55] <BUGabundo> grrr
[20:55] <BUGabundo> now how do I set GDM to allow multi logins !?!?
[20:55] <BUGabundo> it used to be easy
[20:55] <arand> Tried it on a virtualbox, slow as sirup, so much for light :>
[20:56] <BUGabundo> where's the darn setting to allow mutli logins!?!??!
[20:57] <BUGabundo> [daemon]
[20:57] <BUGabundo> AutomaticLoginEnable=true
[20:57] <BUGabundo> AutomaticLogin=bugabundo
[20:57] <BUGabundo> TimedLoginEnable=false
[20:57] <BUGabundo> TimedLogin=bugabundo
[20:57] <BUGabundo> TimedLoginDelay=10
[20:57] <BUGabundo> DefaultSession=gnome
[20:57] <shadeslayer_> ow..
[20:57] <shadeslayer_> BUGabundo: tried googling?
[20:58] <BUGabundo> hehe
[20:58] <BUGabundo> I'm in a room filled with "experts"
[20:58]  * shadeslayer_ thinks whether he should upgrade to maveric
[20:59] <shadeslayer_> BUGabundo: whats the kernel version?
[20:59] <BUGabundo> again??
[20:59] <BUGabundo> you keep asking that
[20:59] <BUGabundo> !info linux
[20:59] <shadeslayer_> BUGabundo: uh.. no i didnt..
[20:59] <shadeslayer_> BUGabundo: this is the first time i asked that i think :P
[20:59] <BUGabundo> Linux BluBUG 2.6.32-21-generic #32-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 16 08:09:38 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:59] <BUGabundo> darn
[21:00] <BUGabundo> ill have to loout
[21:00] <BUGabundo> back in a few min
[21:00] <shadeslayer_> so hows maverick atm?
[21:01] <BUGabundo> wow the bot is slowwww
[21:01] <BUGabundo> and why don't I have .22 ?????
[21:03] <arand> shadeslayer_: Not much to look at, really, some syncs, but nothing major at all...
[21:03] <shadeslayer_> ok
[21:03] <arand> shadeslayer_: fsck works though, as opposed to lucid :)
[21:04] <shadeslayer_> arand: yeah,fsck halts at 70 % in lucid
[21:05] <Ian_Corne> shadeslayer_: it doesn't halt
[21:06] <Ian_Corne> it goes uber slow
[21:06] <Ian_Corne> I've sat through it :p
[21:06] <shadeslayer_> Ian_Corne: me too :P
[21:06] <shadeslayer_> heh.. after just 2 days,i have a additional 200 MB to download :P
[21:07] <shadeslayer_> 2 days ago,lucid -> maverick == 100 MB,now its 300 :P
[21:08] <shadeslayer_> oh wth.. ill upgrade :)
[21:08] <shadeslayer_> safe-upgrade or dist-upgrade?
[21:09] <arand> shadeslayer_: shadeslayer_ well, the mountall fix is in proposed at least...
[21:10] <arand> shadeslayer_: sed -i 's/lucid/maverick/' /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade" afaik.
[21:11] <BUGabundo> I admit: great work
[21:11] <BUGabundo> its snappier, looks good, and is really fast
[21:11] <BUGabundo> needs some work with apps
[21:11] <BUGabundo> but I guess its not meant to have so many of them
[21:12] <BUGabundo> I still can't find how to add more stuff to the Dock
[21:12] <BUGabundo> if Super+Tab worked, I could just use this WM
[21:12] <zniavre> what is the name of the search-applet?
[21:14] <shadeslayer_> arand: what if i have extra ppa's enabled?
[21:14] <shadeslayer_> do i replace them with maverick too?
[21:14] <BUGabundo> no
[21:14] <BUGabundo> you have to be sure there's a ppa version for MM
[21:15] <BUGabundo> either comment it out until there is one
[21:15] <BUGabundo> or live lucid, if that works fine
[21:15] <shadeslayer_> hehe..
[21:15] <BUGabundo> I NEED GNOME DO
[21:15] <shadeslayer_> well some of the PPA's do have maverick.. and some done
[21:15] <BUGabundo> why aint it working !?
[21:15] <shadeslayer_> BUGabundo: docky ftw
[21:15] <BUGabundo> not in Unity
[21:15] <BUGabundo> ahah
[21:16] <BUGabundo> ok it looks good
[21:16] <BUGabundo> now back to where I have what I need/want
[21:16] <BUGabundo> brb
[21:16] <shadeslayer_> arand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/431867/
[21:18] <BUGabundo> back
[21:18] <Ian_Corne> zniavre: it's not an applet
[21:18] <zniavre> what is it ?
[21:19] <shadeslayer_> arand: so should i go ahead? or is something not right?
[21:19] <arand> shadeslayer_: Wut!? you got ppas in sources.list? and btw, you probably shouldn't remove libboost, I would assume...
[21:20] <shadeslayer_> yeah i have some extra ppa.. not in sources.list though
[21:20] <arand> Err http://ppa.launchpad.net maverick/main Packages   seems to suggest it... hm?
[21:21] <shadeslayer_> arand: http://pastebin.com/PUnuuyfi
[21:22] <shadeslayer_> ah right
[21:22] <shadeslayer_> kubuntu ppa..
[21:22] <arand> shadeslayer_: I'm not sure, and I'm not sure I want to really advice further...
[21:22] <shadeslayer_> arand: ok
[21:22] <shadeslayer_> anyways ive gtg..
[21:22] <shadeslayer_> bye
[21:23] <arand> Dang, ppas in sources.list messes things up badly :(
[21:37] <Nitsuga> I was thinking that there should be a "dev" version which is a symlink t the lestest development release. That way we don't have to change  our /etc/apt twice a year :P
[21:37] <Nitsuga> the real benefit is that the PPAs would have inmediate support for the lastest dev release if they want to.
[21:38] <Nitsuga> and we would have a rolling release-like version
[21:56] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo_Chuck: You're running an old kernel btw
[21:56] <Ian_Corne> lucid has -22
[21:56] <Ian_Corne> and gnome do does work
[21:56] <Ian_Corne> just not the shortcut
[21:56] <BUGabundo_Chuck> $ apt-cache policy linux
[21:56] <BUGabundo_Chuck>   Installed: 2.6.32.21.22
[21:56] <BUGabundo_Chuck>   Candidate: 2.6.32.21.22
[21:56] <Ian_Corne> oh
[21:56] <BUGabundo_Chuck> lucid???
[21:56] <BUGabundo_Chuck> lolol
[21:56] <BUGabundo_Chuck> you need to keep up with times
[21:56] <BUGabundo_Chuck> guess I need a reboot
[21:56] <Ian_Corne> $ apt-cache policy linux
[21:56] <Ian_Corne> linux:
[21:56] <Ian_Corne>   Installed: (none)
[21:56] <Ian_Corne>   Candidate: 2.6.32.22.23
[21:56] <Ian_Corne> yes
[21:56] <Ian_Corne> but if lucid has a newer version
[21:57] <Ian_Corne> you're just not uptodate :p
[21:57] <BUGabundo_Chuck>  *** 2.6.32.21.22 0
[21:57] <BUGabundo_Chuck>         500 http://mirrors.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu/ maverick/main Packages
[21:57] <BUGabundo_Chuck>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main Packages
[21:57] <Ian_Corne> clearely out of date! :p
[21:58]  * BUGabundo_Chuck aptitude updates
[21:58] <Ian_Corne> I don't think there's enough work being done on maverick yet to make all changes in lucid also happen in maverick
[21:58] <ajmitch> especially as that's just pointing to the default version
[21:58] <BUGabundo_Chuck> says the same
[21:59] <BUGabundo_Chuck> weird as heck
[21:59] <ajmitch> maverick has 2.6.34, but linux-meta doesn't point to it as default yet
[22:00] <ajmitch> lucid-updates has the version that Ian_Corne is seeing
[22:01] <BUGabundo_Chuck> ajmitch: but I'm in MM
[22:01] <ajmitch> yes, and? :)
[22:01] <BUGabundo_Chuck> shouldn't MM have what ever goes to -update/-proposed?
[22:02] <ajmitch> not necessarily
[22:02] <BUGabundo_Chuck> shrug
[22:02] <ajmitch> the kernel is a special case, especially
[22:02] <BUGabundo_Chuck> ah
[22:02] <ajmitch> because there's the kernel itself, and the package that points to the default version
[22:07] <Ian_Corne> anyone else have the "No terminal command has been defined" when launching a terminal via global shortcut
[22:09]  * ajmitch isn't (brave|silly) enough to upgrade to maverick yet :)
[22:09] <Nitsuga> ajmitch, in fact you will notice nothing :P
[22:09] <Nitsuga> at least I didn't
[22:10] <Ian_Corne> irb/ruby is breaking dependencies :p
[22:10] <ajmitch> Nitsuga: I'm sure I would, there are a few changes landed already, and I think autosyncs starting soon
[22:11] <yofel> maverick has 2.6.32-21 currently 2.6.34-1.6 failed to build on i386 amd64 armel and powerpc https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.34-1.6
[22:11] <BUGabundo_Chuck> ajmitch: some one has to :)
[22:12] <ajmitch> BUGabundo_Chuck: I used to upgrade before UDS started & when everything was chaos
[22:12] <BUGabundo_Chuck> naaa
[22:12] <BUGabundo_Chuck> until alpha 4 its usually good
[22:12] <BUGabundo_Chuck> only after FF everything messes up
[22:13] <yofel> nod
[22:13] <BUGabundo_Chuck> *if* we never went to FF , we would be cool in +1 all year long
[22:13] <BUGabundo_Chuck> oh wait... rolling release
[22:13] <BUGabundo_Chuck> :)
[22:14] <ajmitch> the only reason that happens is that FF is a time for shiny new crack to land
[22:14] <BUGabundo_Chuck> ajmitch: see why I already jumped ? Lucid went stable ... for 3 weeks
[22:14] <ajmitch> rolling releases means breakage all year round
[22:14] <BUGabundo_Chuck> ajmitch: I run this laptop on +1 (since 7.04)
[22:14] <BUGabundo_Chuck> and office PC with debian unstable
[22:15] <BUGabundo_Chuck> still surviving
[22:15] <ajmitch> and I ran on development releases since 5.04 & sid for a few years before that too :P
[22:15] <BUGabundo_Chuck> felling old, are we ? :D
[22:16] <ajmitch> quite
[22:16] <BUGabundo_Chuck> add a few daily ppa's and whisles
[22:16] <BUGabundo_Chuck> :)
[22:16] <ajmitch> we were reminiscing in #ubuntu-motu the other day
[22:16] <BUGabundo_Chuck> ajmitch: I understand
[22:17] <ajmitch> ppas are this new thing anyway, I remember hearing about this novel idea at UDS from LP developers :)
[22:17] <BUGabundo_Chuck> ahaha
[22:17] <BUGabundo_Chuck> we don't even have debian _yet_
[22:17] <Ian_Corne> motu?
[22:17] <ajmitch> !motu
[22:17] <Ian_Corne> aha :)
[22:17] <BUGabundo_Chuck> he knows
[22:17] <BUGabundo_Chuck> he better know that
[22:18] <BUGabundo_Chuck> or I'll kick him out :)
[22:18] <Ian_Corne> I know now.
[22:18] <BUGabundo_Chuck> WHATi??
[22:18]  * BUGabundo_Chuck kicks Ian_Corne arse
[22:18] <BUGabundo_Chuck> Ian_Corne: I've seen you here for how long now ?
[22:19] <BUGabundo_Chuck> two cicles or so ?
[22:19] <BUGabundo_Chuck> its sad we have ~200 nicks in here.... and only 10 or so, speak their minds
[22:20] <ajmitch> that's usual
[22:20] <BUGabundo_Chuck> I know
[22:20]  * ajmitch doesn't talk in every channel he's in :)
[22:20] <BUGabundo_Chuck> I idle around several servers and #s
[22:20] <BUGabundo_Chuck> I do :)
[22:20] <BUGabundo_Chuck> every morning :)
[22:20] <yofel> at least it's quiet and you get a high quality discussion all the time... or most... well sometimes...
[22:21] <Ian_Corne> I've been on +1's since gutsy I think
[22:21] <Ian_Corne> installed feisty, didn't like it enough and upgraded to gutsy at alpha 4 or something
[22:21] <yofel> longer than me then, I started around intrepid
[22:21] <BUGabundoDrHouse> and you didn't know what MOTU is ??
[22:21] <BUGabundoDrHouse> man, you need to spend a cycle in ubuntu-users MLs
[22:22] <BUGabundoDrHouse> I started here in 7.04
[22:22] <ajmitch> not a chance
[22:22]  * BUGabundoDrHouse check logs
[22:22]  * ajmitch would never get anything done
[22:23] <BUGabundoDrHouse> ajmitch: mew... I know :|
[22:23] <Ian_Corne> well yofel I didn't do much yet, only started reporting bugs since a few releases ago
[22:23] <BUGabundoDrHouse> humm ext4 doesn't like dirs with over 1k files :(
[22:23] <BUGabundoDrHouse> 2007-11-06.161054+0000WET
[22:23] <BUGabundoDrHouse> humm
[22:23] <BUGabundoDrHouse> make that 8.04 :(
[22:23] <BUGabundoDrHouse> I though it was earlier
[22:25] <ajmitch> Wed Feb 9 06:40:09 CST 2005
[22:26] <BUGabundoDrHouse> haahaah
[22:26] <BUGabundoDrHouse> we are suckers for logs :)
[22:26] <ajmitch> that's when I got into ubuntu-motu
[22:26] <BUGabundoDrHouse> I used to have *all* my logs since 1994
[22:26] <ajmitch> this was from the ubuntu-devel mailing list
[22:26] <BUGabundoDrHouse> until a stupid win app decided to delete all *.logs
[22:26] <ajmitch> too long ago, too little done since then by me
[22:27] <BUGabundoDrHouse> once I turn pidgin ON, I can't do anything else :(
[22:27] <BUGabundoDrHouse> damn it I'm to adicted to Social Networking
[22:27] <Ian_Corne> is /var/log the place to find the oldest files?
[22:27] <ajmitch> logrotate will be cycling through them & possibly culling them
[22:28] <BluesKaj> konversation works fine on maverick here
[22:29]  * BluesKaj doesn't understand using IMs for IRC
 longer than me then, I started around intrepid <-- i started using Ubuntu around intrepid :!. In fact I installed the Intrepid last beta, without knowng even what sudo was.
[22:30] <Nitsuga> *even knowing
[22:30] <yofel> heh
[22:30] <Ian_Corne> I wonder how much of my ubuntu life will change when I graduate
[22:31] <BUGabundoDrHouse> BluesKaj: *one* single app
[22:32]  * BluesKaj one size fits all is always a compromise
[22:32] <BUGabundoDrHouse> yep
[22:32] <BUGabundoDrHouse> single point of failure
[22:32] <BUGabundoDrHouse> but I can control ALL my world with ctrl+tab
[22:33] <BluesKaj> well, have fun :)
[22:33] <BUGabundoDrHouse> I've been using Ubuntu (or better kubuntu) since 5.10
[22:33] <BUGabundoDrHouse> on dual boot, coming from Kurumim
[22:33] <BUGabundoDrHouse> around 6.06 I was like 70% win, 30% Kubuntu
[22:34] <BUGabundoDrHouse> upgraded to 6.10 beta 1
[22:34] <BluesKaj> yeah , same here , but it was of and on at first , tried a bunch of other distros before settling on kubuntu. KDE has always been my fav tho
[22:34] <BUGabundoDrHouse> trashed it :) reinstall beta1 , and windows... windows went bo bo... so I didn't use it for a while
[22:34] <BUGabundoDrHouse> ended up I didn't need it :)
[22:35] <BluesKaj> gnome never did much for me
[22:35] <BUGabundoDrHouse> I used, red hat, knopix, kurumim, and who knows what
[22:36] <BUGabundoDrHouse> kurumim was the long lasted of them all
[22:37] <BUGabundoDrHouse> http://img.funtasticus.com/2008/nov/051110tech_tats/tech_tats_10.jpg  we need some of this
[22:38] <BluesKaj> knoppix.redhat,suse,mandrake, mandriva,fedora and debian , kubuntu was so familiar after using debian for 6mos that I stuck with it.
[22:40] <Nitsuga> BUGabundoDrHouse, in fact we have, but it is not work-safe :P
[22:40] <BUGabundoDrHouse> never did fedora
[22:44] <BluesKaj> fedora is just another rpm distro IMO...crappy packaging and install system
[22:45] <z0rt|work> heh
[22:49] <arand> I want to like fedora, rpm says no.