[09:35] <halvors> Will the meeing beiginnow or?
[09:42] <cody-somerville> jussi, I think I fixed the UTC issue with gcalendar.
[09:42] <cody-somerville> jussi, (a little while ago)
[09:42] <cody-somerville> jussi, Can you confirm if its still an issue or not?
[09:43] <jussi> cody-somerville: err, which issue? Im at uds and some whatconcentrating on other stuff.
[09:43]  * jussi defers to tsimpson
[09:44] <cody-somerville> jussi, /topic
[09:44] <jussi> cody-somerville: ahh, yeah. tsimpson can give you all the info on that.
[09:45] <cody-somerville> tsimpson, :)
[09:49] <halvors> When will new Ubuntu Members be taken up?
[09:52] <tsimpson> jussi: I can?
[09:52] <halvors> Can what?
[09:55] <tsimpson> !member | halvors
[09:55] <jussi> apw:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                C
[09:56] <halvors> Yes i have done all this ;)
[09:56] <halvors> Only waiting for the meeting to start ;)
[09:57] <tsimpson> halvors: which meeting are you waiting for?
[09:58] <halvors> AsiaOceania
[09:58] <halvors> It will begin now
[09:58] <halvors> ;)
[09:59] <halvors> hehe | ubottu
[09:59] <halvors> !none
[09:59] <tsimpson> 10:00 utc is in an hour
[10:01] <halvors> Ok, the meeting begin 12:00 GMT +1?
[10:01] <tsimpson> at 11:00 GMT+1
[10:01] <tsimpson> UTC is the same time as GMT
[10:01] <elky> Ooh, so I do get to go home first? Yay!
[10:02] <halvors> My clock is 11 now
[10:03] <halvors> so the meeting have to begin now or have i taken fail?
[10:03] <elky> halvors, you need to wait for one hour
[10:03] <halvors> ok
[10:03] <halvors> i misunderstand sorry ;)
[10:03] <tsimpson> halvors: it's 09:03 UTC now
[10:04] <halvors> thanks
[10:04] <elky> halvors, you can always check UTC time by typign "date -u" in your terminal
[10:58] <halvors> Meeting begin?
[10:58] <amachu> halvors: few min
[10:59] <halvors> Ok, a am waiting ;)
[10:59] <amachu> persia: elky: Hi
[10:59] <Vantrax> how many do we have here?
[10:59] <elky> amachu, o/
[10:59] <freeflying> hi all
[10:59] <halvors> hi
[11:00] <amachu> freeflying: Hi
[11:00] <freeflying> amachu: hey, long time no see :)
[11:01] <amachu> Vantrax: Hello!
[11:01] <elky> we do have quorum I believe
[11:01] <elky> Shall we begin?
[11:02] <halvors> yes ;)
[11:02] <amachu> elky: yes
[11:02]  * elky wonders if she remembers how the bot works...
[11:02]  * Vantrax is ready
[11:02] <elky> #startmeeting
[11:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 05:02. The chair is elky.
[11:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[11:02] <elky> :D
[11:02] <amachu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania
[11:03] <elky> is nasirkhan amongst us as a different name
[11:03] <elky> ?
[11:03] <amachu> elky: persia, takdir, lifeless are missing though
[11:03] <elky> amachu, quorum is 4 afaik.
[11:03] <halvors> I am here ;)
[11:04] <halvors> also i am Halvor Lyche Strandvoll
[11:04] <amachu> elky: I understand, we shall kick off
[11:04] <amachu> halvors: Please wait
[11:04] <halvors> For?
[11:04] <amachu> nasirkhan is not here
[11:04] <elky> halvors, the person listed above you to have a chance to show up
[11:05] <elky> he's also known as saikat says launchpad
[11:05] <amachu> halvors: there is a name before yours, just wanted to ensure he isn't here before considering you
[11:05] <ejat> yes
[11:05] <ejat> 0/
[11:05] <halvors> yes i understand ;)
[11:05] <amachu> Vantrax: freeflying: We have begun
[11:05] <freeflying> amachu: yes
[11:06] <amachu> halvors: yes, go ahead..
[11:06] <halvors> yes...
[11:06] <halvors> so
[11:06] <halvors> ...
[11:06] <ejat> takdir will be late a bit ... prayer time in ID
[11:07] <elky> ejat, aha, thank you
[11:08] <ejat> elky : :)
[11:09] <Vantrax> Halvors, can you tell us a little about yourself and your contribution?
[11:10] <amachu> halvors: are you there?
[11:10] <halvors> I come from Norway, i live in a small city Asker, near Olso.
[11:10] <halvors> Yes i am here ;)
[11:11] <elky> halvors, you need to explain to us why you deserve membership
[11:11] <amachu> halvors: https://translations.launchpad.net/~halvors/+activity is that all your contributions?
[11:11] <halvors> And i want to be a member of Ubuntu and help transelate Ubuntu into Norwegian, i will transelate primary to NO_nb but maybe to NO_nb too
[11:12] <halvors> Yes, i have been more active here at IRC, in the Ubuntu Server channel
[11:13] <halvors> And i need to be a member og Ubuntu to be a member of Ubuntu Norwegian Transelators.
[11:14] <halvors> Are you there?
[11:14] <Vantrax> we are
[11:14] <freeflying> halvors: you done?
[11:15] <halvors> Yes, if there is no more somone will know...
[11:15] <amachu> halvors: are there people here to support your nomination?
[11:15] <elky> launchpad is excruciatingly slow for me today
[11:16] <halvors> As said i will be more active if i be a Ubuntu memeber.
[11:16] <halvors> No, i not think.
[11:16] <ejat> halvors .. is it need to be that way?
[11:16] <freeflying> halvors: why don't you try to apply from EMEA meeting? since you're living in a Europe timezone
[11:16] <halvors> Becouse it is so long time until
[11:17] <halvors> Here somone said to me that i could use Asia/Oceania instead
[11:17] <Vantrax> I am curious how you need to be a member of Ubuntu to be a member of Norwegian Translators, I
[11:17] <Vantrax> er I have never heard of that as a requirement
[11:17] <elky> Vantrax, yeah, that sounds quite odd
[11:17] <halvors> No, meybe
[11:17] <halvors> maybe sry
[11:18] <freeflying> halvors: as amachu asked, do you have anyone here to support you?
[11:18] <elky> [LINK] https://launchpad.net/~halvors
[11:18] <halvors> I only heard that when i requested to Ubuntu Norwegian Transelators
[11:18] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://launchpad.net/~halvors
[11:18] <elky> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/halvors
[11:18] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/halvors
[11:18] <takdir> sorry i'm late
[11:19] <halvors> No.. Who should that be?
[11:19] <elky> Ok, well, i'm sorry but I'm going to vote -1 for you today. It seems we have some issues to discuss with the norwegian translators, but you have not done enough for membership in my opinion.
[11:19] <Vantrax> halvors, i think you have made a great start in your contributions
[11:19] <Vantrax> but ubuntu membership is a reward for significant and sustained contributions to ubuntu
[11:20] <elky> [VOTE] halvors for member
[11:20] <MootBot> Please vote on:  halvors for member.
[11:20] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[11:20] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[11:20] <elky> -1
[11:20] <MootBot> -1 received from elky. 0 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1
[11:20] <amachu> halvors: I can notice contributions from you, but they aren't substantial enough to give a +1 in favour. Good start..
[11:20] <ejat> -1 for me to since halvors not in the norwegian translator team
[11:20] <MootBot> -1 received from ejat. 0 for, 2 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -2
[11:20] <Vantrax> -1
[11:20] <MootBot> -1 received from Vantrax. 0 for, 3 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -3
[11:20] <freeflying> _1
[11:20] <freeflying> -1
[11:20] <MootBot> -1 received from freeflying. 0 for, 4 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -4
[11:20] <elky> We will work with you to get through this requirement.
[11:20] <Vantrax> I think we will have to find out about you not being able to join, that seems to be an area of consern
[11:21] <elky> But right now, we're not going to make you a member just so you can join it.
[11:21] <elky> It doesn't fix what's broken if we do :)
[11:21] <Vantrax> I think you are making a great start to your contribution but I would like to see it continue over a longer period
[11:21] <amachu> probably if it is some issue about joining Norweign LoCo, you shall talk to jono
[11:22] <Vantrax> translation team i think
[11:22] <halvors> Ok, i understand.
[11:22] <Vantrax> ill find out who is in charge of the team and double check that requirement. It should not be there
[11:22] <halvors> Someone could help me get inside the Ubuntu Norwegian Translators?
[11:23] <elky> halvors, we will, yes.
[11:23] <Vantrax> We will halvors
[11:23] <amachu> contact the LoCo contact person
[11:23] <amachu> have you tried?
[11:23] <amachu> halvors: is it a Loco + translation team?
[11:23] <halvors> So should i try to request new membership at Ubuntu Norwegian transelators?
[11:23] <Vantrax> are you involved in the Norwegian loco?
[11:23] <halvors> loco?
[11:24] <Vantrax> the local ubuntu club if you prefer
[11:24] <elky> halvors, could you provide us with links to the launchpad teams you are trying to join?
[11:24] <halvors> I am norwegian and a i am i Norway now
[11:24] <Vantrax> locos are local user groups that promote and work with ubuntu in their countries/states
[11:25] <elky> [ENDVOTE]
[11:25] <MootBot> Final result is 0 for, 4 against. 0 abstained. Total: -4
[11:25] <amachu> are you in touch with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hubuntu
[11:25] <Vantrax> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams?action=show&redirect=LoCo
[11:25] <amachu> elky: I gave +0
[11:25] <amachu> elky: and appears you have closed voting
[11:25] <halvors> no
[11:26] <elky> amachu, oh, sorry, i thought we all voted
[11:26] <amachu> ejat: voted in between
[11:26] <amachu> that counted for -4
[11:26] <amachu> elky: no probs
[11:27] <amachu> halvors: suggest you contact the team, and if you couldn't get a respose contact the loco-contacts list or jono
[11:27] <halvors> Here is the team i try to join: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-no
[11:27] <Vantrax> halvors, if you get in touch with your loco, and the guys in your local ubuntu channel
[11:27] <takdir> halvors, it's better if there is some testimonial for you at your wiki from ubuntu norwegian translators or your loco team
[11:28] <elky> halvors, have you ever been in #ubuntu-no ?
[11:28] <halvors> I have waited for membership in norwegian transelators
[11:28] <ejat> anyone from here from ubuntu-no to support u halvors ?
[11:28] <halvors> in 2 mouths
[11:28] <halvors> Nope
[11:29] <Vantrax> halvors you can definately contribute to translations without being in that team, that group is responsible for reviewing and approving translation submissions
[11:29] <amachu> fine..
[11:29] <amachu> nasirkhan isn't here..
[11:30] <amachu> and welcome takdir Vantrax :-)
[11:30] <Vantrax> o/
[11:30] <halvors> What should i do for be a member of ubuntu?
[11:30] <halvors> also more
[11:30] <ejat> welcome to both of u :)
[11:30] <takdir> :)
[11:30] <Vantrax> contribute more, what you have already been doing over a longer period of time
[11:31] <Vantrax> also get involved in your loco (the people in #ubuntu-no will help)
[11:31] <halvors> ok
[11:31] <halvors> thanks
[11:31] <takdir> halvors, if have blog, you can write your activity for ubuntu and post some pictures
[11:31] <amachu> halvors: there has be some credible proof of sustained contribution for Ubuntu..
[11:31] <halvors> hope i can be a member for next meeting ;)
[11:31] <amachu> halvors: there has to be some credible proof of sustained contribution for Ubuntu..
[11:31] <Vantrax> no problem, i hope to see you back here again in a few months with some testimonials on your wiki and a crowd to cheer you on
[11:32] <ejat> get involved with ubuntu-no activities ... then from there u may see what u can contribute ...
[11:32] <halvors> ;)
[11:32] <elky> halvors, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NorwegianTeam will be of use to you if you have not already seen it
[11:32] <Vantrax> anyone else?
[11:33] <elky> ejat, should we wait around for nasir?
[11:34] <ejat> its up to the board ..
[11:34]  * ejat open for it .. 
[11:34] <Vantrax> ill wait
[11:34] <elky> i'll wait too
[11:35] <ejat> :)
[11:35] <amachu> probably for another five minutes
[11:35] <amachu> :-)
[11:35] <amachu> ejat: your wiki page?
[11:36] <ejat> amachu : wiki.ubuntu.com/fenris
[11:36]  * ejat need to update to latest info .. :( sorry for that .. 
[11:37]  * ejat in ubuntu training at Monash University ...  2 things need to be done at one time .. but its ok 
[11:38] <amachu> ok
[11:38] <amachu> lifeless: persia: silent today? Hmm.. strange thing to happen..
[11:39] <czajkowski> amachu: persia is at UDS
[11:39] <czajkowski> possibly in the middle of a session
[11:39] <elky> and so is lifeless
[11:39] <ejat> owh .. concerntration in session :)
[11:39] <halvors> thanks
[11:39] <ejat> has 5 minute past?
[11:40] <amachu> czajkowski: thanks for the info
[11:40] <elky> amachu, on the other hand, this is why we now have this many members :)
[11:40] <amachu> elky: I have to leave now,  there is quorum without me..
[11:40]  * ejat need to learn more from u guys .. 
[11:40] <elky> amachu, that's fine. have fun
[11:41] <Vantrax> later
[11:41] <ejat> amachu : see u soon ..
[11:41] <amachu> elky: ejat: Vantrax: takdir: all four of you, if you can wait, its fine..
[11:41] <amachu> else declare the meeting is over..
[11:41] <amachu> am leaving now..
[11:42] <Vantrax> i will wait
[11:42]  * amachu is away: Gone away for now
[11:42] <takdir> amachu, ok, i'll wait
[11:42] <freeflying> i'm leaving as well
[11:53]  * ejat still waiting ..... 
[11:54] <Vantrax> me too, for another 5 min
[11:55] <elky> yeah, I think we need to finish so other meetings can happen
[11:55] <takdir> may be nasir will not come
[11:55] <elky> ejat, have you been talking to nasir?
[11:55] <ejat> elky : no ..
[11:58] <takdir> now is 10.58 UTC :)
[11:59] <Vantrax> we done
[11:59] <Vantrax> hes not comin
[11:59] <Vantrax> elky can you close?
[11:59] <takdir> yup
[11:59] <ejat> i think .. can end the meeting
[11:59] <elky> #endmeeting
[11:59] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 05:59.
[12:32] <halvors> #startmeeting
[12:32] <MootBot> Meeting started at 06:32. The chair is halvors.
[12:32] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[12:32] <halvors> #endmeeting
[12:32] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 06:32.
[14:25] <Pretto> does anyone knows where do I find the official cd cover art for download
[15:58]  * lfaraone waves at geser.
[15:58] <ari-tczew> hello
[16:01] <soren> o/
[16:03] <lfaraone> So, are we going to have a meeting today, or is UDS going to trump it?
[16:04] <Sylvestre> on the wiki, "Next DMB meeting: May 11th, 2010 15:00 UTC"
[16:05] <ari-tczew> may someone else will be a chairman today?
[16:05] <ari-tczew> e.g. persia
[16:06] <soren> There's a session allocated at UDS for it.
[16:06] <soren> I have no idea why people aren't in it.
[16:06] <lfaraone> soren: are you at UDS?
[16:06] <soren> lfaraone: Yes.
[16:06] <lfaraone> soren: ring some doorbells? :)
[16:07] <CardinalFang> Hi.  Is there a Membership Board meeting now?
[16:07] <soren> I'm in my room. The conference rooms are far away :)
[16:07] <lfaraone> CardinalFang: there should be one.
[16:09] <cody-somerville> Hey
[16:09]  * cody-somerville wonders where everyone is too.
[16:09] <soren> o/
[16:09] <soren> cody-somerville: Are you in the room?
[16:09] <cody-somerville> soren, I am.
[16:09] <cody-somerville> soren, or I think I'm in the right rom.
[16:10] <soren> cody-somerville: Rosewood?
[16:10] <soren> cody-somerville: I'm in my own room, so my not being there is expected :)
[16:10]  * smoser is present
[16:10] <ari-tczew> 4 DMB members are necessary for meeting right?
[16:10] <lfaraone> ari-tczew: Yes.
[16:10] <ari-tczew> there are only 2 ?
[16:11] <ari-tczew> maybe kees can join meeting?
[16:11] <lfaraone> cody-somerville, soren, maybe call persia / geser ?
[16:11] <dobey> hmm
[16:11]  * smoser goes to try to locate someone
[16:12] <cody-somerville> nixternal, ping
[16:13] <cody-somerville> stgraber, ping
[16:13] <cody-somerville> geser, ping
[16:13] <cody-somerville> persia, ping
[16:13] <cody-somerville> cjwatson said he won't be able to make the first half of the meeting.
[16:13] <ari-tczew> kees, ping
[16:14] <nixternal> pongers
[16:14] <kees> ari-tczew: hello
[16:14] <ari-tczew> kees: can you join this meeting now? we're looking for DMB members
[16:14] <smoser> i pinged persia in hallway
[16:15] <nixternal> you mean james bond?
[16:15] <dobey> persia is here
[16:15] <kees> ari-tczew: I can't, I'm in a another meeting
[16:15] <ari-tczew> :(
[16:15] <nixternal> I am guessing persia is probably in "Review and Planning for Distributed Development"
[16:15] <nixternal> nevermind, there he is now :)
[16:16] <cody-somerville> :}
[16:16] <lfaraone> Okay, I think we're set then.
[16:16]  * lfaraone has to be out by 16h UTC.
[16:17] <nixternal> neversfelde_: you around?
[16:17] <ari-tczew> members of Ubuntu Technical Board are members of DMB as well?
[16:17] <nixternal> just in case this meeting does go on and we can get enough members
[16:17] <cody-somerville> nixternal, Do you want to chair? stgraber doesn't appear to be around.
[16:17] <nixternal> sure, wanna make sure we have enough members first
[16:17] <cody-somerville> geser, ping ping ping
[16:17] <neversfelde_> only with mobile phone atm, I will need 20 min to get to a place with network access
[16:18] <nixternal> neversfelde_: groovy, i want to make sure you get your stuff heard today...right now it seems 2, maybe 3 of us are here from the dmb today
[16:18] <nixternal> silly uds :)
[16:18] <ari-tczew> mdz, Keybuk ping
[16:19] <nixternal> ari-tczew: they aren't DMB members
[16:19] <soren> ari-tczew: They're not DMB.
[16:19] <czajkowski> ari-tczew: just saw mdz head into a uds session
[16:19] <persia____> We have four: Cody, Soren, Richard, and myself.
[16:19] <nixternal> they are the tech board
[16:19] <nixternal> rock on!
[16:19]  * JamieBennett is here if you get around to him
[16:19] <nixternal> #startmeeting
[16:19] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:19. The chair is nixternal.
[16:19] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:19] <cody-somerville> and Colin just showed up
[16:20] <nixternal> [TOPIC]Review of previous action items:
[16:20] <MootBot> New Topic: Review of previous action items:
[16:20] <Sylvestre> FYI: I am on the agenda and I have to leave at 16h20 UTC
[16:20] <nixternal> persia____: updates?
[16:20] <cjwatson> here
[16:20] <ari-tczew> oh, sorry, ~techboard (Ubuntu Technical Board) is a subteam of DMB, this is confusing
[16:21] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: that's administrative and doesn't reflect the actual board
[16:21] <ari-tczew> ok, let's start metting
[16:21] <ari-tczew> meeting *
[16:21] <lfaraone> ari-tczew: we already did, see above.
[16:21] <persia____> I did update the wiki pages.
[16:21] <nixternal> persia____: thanks!
[16:21] <ari-tczew> okok
[16:21] <cjwatson> I didn't create the team yet (please carry that over) but have obviously scheduled this meeting :-)
[16:22]  * geser is finally there
[16:22] <nixternal> haha, I was just going to ask you :)
[16:22] <geser> sorry, was having lunch
[16:22] <ari-tczew> geser come back!
[16:22] <persia____> I've also spoken to TheMuso: reasons for not commenting for abogani are 1) work not up to quality in intrepid, not closely worked with him since then.
[16:22] <nixternal> groovy persia____, thanks!
[16:23] <nixternal> stgraber and soren: did you vote on Rodrigos app? I have been busing with job interviews for the past 2 weeks, so I have been a bit afk
[16:23] <nixternal> s/busing/busy
[16:23] <lfaraone> nixternal: I think stgraber coudln't make it.
[16:23] <nixternal> still, need to add him to the minutes here
[16:23] <nixternal> even though they aren't here, we don't leave them out
[16:23] <soren> nixternal: I sent my +1's (as I did to the chair on IRC), but they don't seem to have landed in the list archives.
[16:24] <nixternal> rock on! thanks soren
[16:24] <nixternal> ok...
[16:24] <nixternal> [TOPIC]Administrative Matters
[16:24] <MootBot> New Topic: Administrative Matters
[16:24] <nixternal> heh, I take it we didn't consider changing the ordering just yet? :)
[16:24] <cjwatson> I have no background on this agenda item
[16:24] <nixternal> should we have a vote on doing membership stuff the first hour?
[16:24] <cody-somerville> I added that.
[16:25] <cjwatson> I do think it seems to take us too long agonising before we get started :-)
[16:25] <nixternal> we don't want to be doing 2 hour meetings....i say spend an hour on membership if there are that many, and then use the rest of the time to hit the other agenda items?
[16:25] <cody-somerville> I'll write an e-mail to the list about this.
[16:25] <nixternal> cody-somerville: thanks
[16:26] <persia____> I think we should do administrative forst, but then focus on membership quickly.
[16:26] <nixternal> [ACTION]Cody to write an e-mail to the list concerning the layout/format of the DMB meeting - membership first
[16:26] <MootBot> ACTION received: Cody to write an e-mail to the list concerning the layout/format of the DMB meeting - membership first
[16:26] <nixternal> ok, move on to membership stuff right now?
[16:26] <cjwatson> please
[16:26] <nixternal> who had to leave in a few minutes?
[16:27] <Sylvestre> me but I still have 40 minutes
[16:27]  * lfaraone by 16:10 or so.
[16:27] <lfaraone> (really 15:50, but i can stretch it another 20 if I need to)
[16:27] <JamieBennett> Hi, my name is Jamie Bennett. I currently work for Canonical on the Mobile team concentrating on ARM hardware.
[16:27] <JamieBennett> Although officially I work on ARM specific stuff, I do development on a wider scale.
[16:27] <JamieBennett> heh
[16:28] <JamieBennett> cut and paste to wrong window, sorry
[16:28] <nixternal> [TOPIC] Sylvestre Ledru PPU Application
[16:28] <MootBot> New Topic:  Sylvestre Ledru PPU Application
[16:28] <nixternal> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SylvestreLedru/MyApplication
[16:28] <ari-tczew> I have time, I'm not going out
[16:28] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SylvestreLedru/MyApplication
[16:28] <nixternal> [LINK] https://launchpad.net/~sylvestre-ledru
[16:28] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://launchpad.net/~sylvestre-ledru
[16:28] <Sylvestre> So, you want me to introduce myself now ?
[16:29] <nixternal> Sylvestre: a quick intro will be fine while we work up some questions for you
[16:29] <Sylvestre> ok
[16:29] <Sylvestre> thx
[16:29] <Sylvestre> My full time work is being a core developer on Scilab and in charge of the Linux / Unix / Mac version of the software.
[16:29] <Sylvestre> I am also a Debian Developer, leader of the Debian Science team and involved in the Debian Java team.
[16:29] <Sylvestre> I maintain Scilab and most of it dependencies (like some pretty borring one like atlas). I also maitain some other packages like guake.
[16:30] <Sylvestre> On the overall, if I apply, it is that I would like to be able to manage directly into Ubuntu the most important packages (Scilab, guake, atlas, blas, lapack) to make sure that Ubuntu is shipped with the right versions of ""my"" packages.
[16:30] <cjwatson> Sylvestre: just on an administrative note, it would help to have an explicit package list - your DDPO page has packages in a few categories (primary maintainer, sponsored upload, NMU, etc.) and it would be easier to deal with an explicit list
[16:30] <nixternal> Sylvestre: are you looking at 42 packages to have PPU for?
[16:30] <persia____> Sylvestre: You're clearly very active in thses packages in Debian.  Could you share some of your thoughts on how the Ubuntu release cycle differs from Debian, and how this might affect when or what should be uploaded?
[16:30] <cjwatson> what do you consider the "right versions"?
[16:30] <cjwatson> this is a deliberately vague question :-)
[16:30] <Sylvestre> oh, plenty of questions
[16:31] <Sylvestre> about the list, some of my package are not very important (worldwind, some 'useless' libs, etc), I can do a list of what seems important
[16:31] <Sylvestre> I don't know if you have a way to help DD on this subject for the list of packages
[16:31] <cody-somerville> Sylvestre, With regards to the packages you're looking for upload permissions for, do you work closely with the Ubuntu developers who work on those packages in Ubuntu?
[16:32] <Sylvestre> cody-somerville, my concern is that they are not really someone working of these packages
[16:32] <cjwatson> I'm just asking for an explicit list of the packages you're applying for; I'm not trying to pass judgement on their importance
[16:32] <cody-somerville> Sylvestre, For some of them there definitely is.
[16:32] <Sylvestre> blas, lapack, atlas are critical in the scientific world and AFAIK, they are not really maintained on the ubuntu side
[16:32] <cjwatson> (because I may have to sit and tell Launchpad about the permission changes on each of those and I'm going to need that to be 'for x in foo bar baz;')
[16:33] <cjwatson> I agree the atlas stack is at best undermaintained
[16:33] <cjwatson> of course note that we actually regard it as a feature that packages are synced where possible, although obviously somebody needs to be paying attention to bugs
[16:34] <Sylvestre> persia____, I think that Debian is too exigent for its release, the degree of quality is too high. I am happy with testing but for "normal users", I defintely prefer Ubuntu
[16:34] <Sylvestre> cjwatson, I really like working with team, I'll be happy to work with others on the package I maintain (as long as we agree on a common Vcs)
[16:35] <persia____> Sylvestre: I'm more looking for your thoughts on how things would differ from a developer perspective?  What do you think you'd have to do differently, etc.
[16:35] <cody-somerville> Sylvestre, What VCS would that be?
[16:36] <nixternal> it looks like all of your packages are being sync'd from Debian->Ubuntu
[16:36] <Sylvestre> Debian-science svn or git for science packages
[16:36] <Sylvestre> I am using torsten werner svn for non java / science packages
[16:37] <Sylvestre> I don't know bzr but I don't mind learning
[16:37] <cody-somerville> Sylvestre, Are you familiar with Ubuntu's model of maintaining packages communally?
[16:37] <geser> Sylvestre: your LP page doesn't show any sponsored uploads. Was there no need for e.g. sync requests after DIF to pull fixes from Debian to Ubuntu or did someone else those?
[16:38] <Sylvestre> (sorry, I am doing the list)
[16:38] <Sylvestre> the list would be atlas, blas, code-saturne and its dependencies (ecs, libbft, libcgns, libfvm, libmei) Scilab and its dependencies (flexdock, jeuclid, jhdf, libjgraphx-java, libjlatexmath-java, libjogl-java, libjrosetta-java, libmatio,libskinlf-java),
[16:39] <Sylvestre> I can also maintain guake and fwbuilder since they seems pretty used in Ubuntu
[16:39] <cjwatson> that seems like a reasonable list, thanks
[16:39] <Sylvestre> cody-somerville, not sure to understand exactly your question
[16:39] <nixternal> Sylvestre: you are already maintaining them, though upstream, they are all being sync'd to ubuntu from what I could see :)
[16:39] <Sylvestre> geser, indeed, I have been waiting for the automatic sync
[16:39] <nixternal> which is a good thing btw
[16:40] <Sylvestre> nixternal, yes, I just liked to be able to sync when I want (and when ubuntu is not freeze)
[16:41] <Sylvestre> especially since I deeply changed the blas/lapack/atlas stuff (which is a dependency of more than 300 packages)
[16:42] <Sylvestre> http://bit.ly/bcibeF
[16:42] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://bit.ly/bcibeF
[16:42] <nixternal> I am fairly certain though that PPU/MOTU/Core-Dev doesn't give you anymore of an advantage of synching than a typical user/contributor...you still request a sync the same way right?
[16:42] <cjwatson> um
[16:42] <cjwatson> if someone who can upload a package requests a sync, we will execute it without question (assuming that we're not in freeze, whatever)
[16:42] <nixternal> at least that's how I always did it...don't tell me there was an easier way that I never looked at persuing :)
[16:43] <cjwatson> they could upload it directly anyway
[16:43] <nixternal> cjwatson: ahh, yeah...
[16:43] <cjwatson> if somebody who can't upload a package requests a sync, we will make them get sponsorship
[16:43] <cjwatson> in future, people with upload permissions will be able to sync directly by pressing a button in LP
[16:43] <nixternal> right...
[16:43] <geser> Sylvestre: in your "What I like least in Ubuntu" section, you mention the missing "feedback" from Ubuntu to Debian. Have you some ideas on how we can improve that?
[16:43] <nixternal> cjwatson: "future" :D
[16:43] <cjwatson> therefore it is perfectly reasonable for people to apply for upload privileges on the basis that they want more convenient syncs
[16:43] <cjwatson> nixternal: near future
[16:43] <Sylvestre> Well, I don't really want to fill many requests and check on them if they have been done or not
[16:43] <nixternal> rock on!
[16:44] <nixternal> no way I am doubting Sylvestre experience anyways, he has more Debian packages than I do :)
[16:44] <Sylvestre> geser, for example, it would be great to have an option in Launchpad to say "OK, I am a DD and I would like to be informed of any upload from Ubuntu, any bug reports on 'my' packages"
[16:45]  * lfaraone also would like that feature. *goes off to file a request*
[16:45] <Sylvestre> Zack is going to talk about that at UDS
[16:45] <cjwatson> I think that would get support as long as people can figure out how to design it
[16:45] <persia____> Sylvestre: So, some sort of subscribe-all-the-packages-where-I'm-listed-as -maintainer button?
[16:46] <Sylvestre> exactly
[16:46] <nixternal> that would be a nice feature, instead of going to every package and subscribing manually
[16:46] <nixternal> ok, everyone ready to vote? anymore questions?
[16:46] <Sylvestre> I did that once but I have to do it for each new package :/
[16:46] <cody-somerville> Sylvestre, If a Ubuntu developer upload a change to a package you maintain in Debian that you disagree with, what would you do?
[16:46] <nixternal> ooh good q? there
[16:47] <cody-somerville> I'd still like to hear thoughts on how behaviours may differ in preparing uploads for Debian and Ubuntu.
[16:47] <Sylvestre> Depends on the kind of changes, if it is an icon, I won't mind (or I will detect ubuntu or debian and switch it)
[16:48] <Sylvestre> if it is a bigger issue, I usually like to ask on a mailing list if my solution is crap or not
[16:48] <Sylvestre> I really don't care being wrong (as long as I hear good arguments)
[16:48] <Sylvestre> (btw, most of my packages are team maintained)
[16:49] <Sylvestre> I don't believe in the "one package = one maintainer" approch
[16:49]  * cjwatson nods
[16:49] <cjwatson> nixternal: no more questions from me
[16:49] <nixternal> geser, persia____, cody-somerville? no more from me either
[16:50] <cody-somerville> no more from me
[16:50] <geser> no more for me either
[16:51] <nixternal> persia____: ?
[16:51]  * soren has no more questions either.
[16:52] <persia____> I can vote.
[16:52] <nixternal> oops, forgot about you :D
[16:52] <nixternal> [VOTE] Sylvestre Ledru PPU Application
[16:52] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Sylvestre Ledru PPU Application.
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[16:52] <cjwatson> +1
[16:52] <MootBot> +1 received from cjwatson. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[16:52] <nixternal> +1
[16:52] <soren> +1
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[16:52] <MootBot> +1 received from soren. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[16:52] <persia____> +1
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[16:52] <cody-somerville> +1
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[16:52] <geser> +1
[16:52] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[16:52] <nixternal> [ENDVOTE]
[16:52] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6
[16:52] <nixternal> congrats Sylvestre!
[16:52] <nixternal> cjwatson: you going to process all of those packages? :)
[16:52] <Sylvestre> oh, many thanks :)
[16:53] <lfaraone> nixternal: now, I have to leave RSN, I was wondering if I could go next.
[16:53] <nixternal> lfaraone: yes, one sec
[16:53] <cjwatson> after the meeting
[16:53] <nixternal> [ACTION] cjwatson to process all of Sylvestre's packages for PPU
[16:53] <MootBot> ACTION received:  cjwatson to process all of Sylvestre's packages for PPU
[16:53] <nixternal> :)
[16:54] <nixternal> [TOPIC] Luke Faraone MOTU Application
[16:54] <MootBot> New Topic:  Luke Faraone MOTU Application
[16:54] <lfaraone> Hi, my name is Luke Faraone. I have been working on Ubuntu since 2007. I am a Debian Maintainer, and am currently going through the Debian New Maintainer process.
[16:54] <lfaraone> My interest in Ubuntu MOTU work is twofold: fixing low-hanging fruit when I can find it, and handling sponsorship / syncing RC bugs fixes from Debian. I'm not one to come up with brilliant solutions to problems, so I prefer to leave that to others and handle the more straightforward, but potentially less interesting work myself.
[16:54] <nixternal> [LINK]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukeFaraone/MOTUApp
[16:54] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukeFaraone/MOTUApp
[16:54] <lfaraone> This summer I will be working full time on application development for Ubuntu.
[16:54] <nixternal> [LINK]https://launchpad.net/~lfaraone
[16:54] <MootBot> LINK received: https://launchpad.net/~lfaraone
[16:55] <lfaraone> In Ubuntu, I've worked on a variety of packages reviewing the RCBugs list. A lot of my uploads were syncs, but they involved carefully checking the changelog during freezes and testing to ensure these packages built and installed in Lucid.
[16:56] <lfaraone> (EOF)
[16:57] <nixternal> lfaraone: in the 'what you like least' section, i take you are talking about how KDE apps look in GNOME? In KDE, GNOME apps are looking more and more native now, can't even tell the difference unless the underlying subsystem crashes, then it goes all 1980 looking on you :)
[16:57] <lfaraone> nixternal: well, I hadn't tried Lucid on my main system when I wrote that :)
[16:58] <geser> lfaraone: your sponsors mention that you should do some more checks before "uploads". Could you give some examples of what you have missed in the past?
[16:58] <lfaraone> geser: I've forgotten to update the maintainer, for example. (during actual uploads, that is)
[16:59] <lfaraone> geser: And occasionally I forget the suite. I've been combating that recently by triple-checking everything that I usually miss before submitting it to sponsors.
[16:59] <lfaraone> *the correct suite; such as "karmic" instead of "karmic-updates"
[17:00] <cjwatson> yeah, I've evolved a pretty paranoid set of wetware checks myself over time
[17:00] <nixternal> if i don't update maintainer, debuild tells me about it and bombs out
[17:01] <lfaraone> nixternal: as soon as I figure out how to do that, I'll implement that in an instant :)
[17:01] <nixternal> i thought that was a default action, because I have never modified debuild to do it
[17:01] <geser> that happens when you use your @ubuntu.com email address for the changelog
[17:01] <lfaraone> nixternal: it's a warning, I think I've seen it on occasion, but it's not fatal IIRC.
[17:02] <nixternal> geser: ahhhhhhh
[17:02] <lfaraone> geser: ah, I use my personal email :)
[17:02] <cjwatson> yeah, it's a slightly crudely odd check
[17:02] <cjwatson> or oddly crude, or something
[17:02] <nixternal> lol
[17:03] <lfaraone> I'll put that on my to-investigate list.
[17:03] <nixternal> i like that check, because maintainer for some reason is in the back of my head..but i always using my @ubuntu.com addy
[17:03] <cody-somerville> lfaraone, Do you find making small mistakes is frequently a problem for you?
[17:03] <cody-somerville> *is still
[17:03] <cjwatson> I'm glad somebody is gardening the RC-fixes-not-in-Ubuntu list.  Is there anything we could do to improve handling of that?
[17:03] <lfaraone> cody-somerville: No. I've been working very hard recently to ensure that doesn't happen.
[17:03] <cjwatson> apart from just more people looking at it
[17:04] <lfaraone> cjwatson: I'm not sure. It'd be nice to get more information in the UI itself, rather than having to reference several pages manually, but that's a task for someone with AJAX skills :)
[17:05] <nixternal> lfaraone: something I did when I was doing the whole MOTU thing was I had a checklist....when I got MOTU, I was whicked anal retentive and would check not once, but twice, or three times...I even have a nack for testing building, installing and testing in a chroot, and installing it live on my system and running it to test for regressions...yeah, that means I am not putting it out whicked fast, but I am at least trying to get it out th
[17:05] <cjwatson> mm, if somebody has a "simple guide to applying ajax to noddy web pages" I'd be interested ...
[17:05] <nixternal> I broke kubuntu-docs in main enough times to learn quickly :)
[17:06] <lfaraone> nixternal: yeah, I've since written one that I use. I'll publish it when I finish finals :)
[17:06] <nixternal> hehe, nice
[17:06] <nixternal> I have no more questions and am ready to vote, everyone else?
[17:06] <cjwatson> likewise
[17:06] <cody-somerville> I'm good.
[17:06]  * geser too
[17:06]  * persia____ is ready to vote
[17:06] <nixternal> [VOTE]Luke Faraone MOTU Application
[17:06] <MootBot> Please vote on: Luke Faraone MOTU Application.
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[17:06] <nixternal> +1
[17:06] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[17:06] <persia____> +1
[17:06] <geser> +1
[17:06] <MootBot> +1 received from persia____. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[17:06] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[17:07] <cody-somerville> +0
[17:07] <MootBot> Abstention received from cody-somerville. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
[17:08] <cjwatson> +1
[17:08] <MootBot> +1 received from cjwatson. 4 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 4
[17:08] <nixternal> soren: ?
[17:09] <nixternal> 3
[17:09] <nixternal> 2
[17:09] <nixternal> 1
[17:09] <nixternal> [ENDVOTE]
[17:09] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 4
[17:09] <nixternal> :)
[17:09] <lfaraone> Thank you. I have to go, but I greatly appreciate the trust you are putting in me.
[17:09] <nixternal> lfaraone: groovy, congrats!
[17:09] <nigelbabu> lfaraone: congrats
[17:10] <nixternal> neversfelde: you here yet?
[17:10] <lfaraone> (and with that, I'm out, to celebrate later!)
[17:10] <neversfelde> yes
[17:10] <nixternal> groovy
[17:10] <nixternal> [TOPIC] Christian Mangold MOTU Application
[17:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Christian Mangold MOTU Application
[17:10] <neversfelde> Hello, my name is Christian I am 30 years old and I currently live in Wuppertal, Germany.
[17:10] <neversfelde> I'm contributing to Ubuntu for several years now and I mostly work with the Kubuntu team. I started packaging back at the beginning of the Karmic cycle and I want to take the next step now and become a MOTU.
[17:10] <neversfelde> Details about my work are im my application https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChristianMangold/MOTUDeveloperApplication
[17:10] <neversfelde> My personal wiki page is here http://wiki.kubuntu.org/ChristianMangold and my Launchpad profile here https://launchpad.net/~neversfelde
[17:10] <nixternal> [LINK]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChristianMangold/MOTUDeveloperApplication
[17:10] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChristianMangold/MOTUDeveloperApplication
[17:10] <nixternal> [LINK]https://edge.launchpad.net/~neversfelde
[17:10] <MootBot> LINK received: https://edge.launchpad.net/~neversfelde
[17:10] <neversfelde> Last meeting the question came up, why I want to be a MOTU and not a kubuntu-dev. Turns out that it seems to be necessary to be a MOTU and a kubuntu-dev to handle the over 100 KDE packages in universe.
[17:11] <neversfelde> Beneath that I believe that Ubuntu is one distribution and so I am not limited to packages which have a K in it, although I did not package a GNOME app or something else in the past.
[17:11] <neversfelde> I think it is quite normal, that I focus on KDE applications, because it is the desktop I use, but I also want to help in a general way.
[17:11] <cjwatson> yeah, the kubuntu unseeded packages stuff is complicated and I'd prefer not to block applicants on it
[17:11] <cjwatson> though there has been some discussion on it
[17:12] <nixternal> hehe, I look at build failures, and of course it was kdebindings... fyi dmb, ignore those, as there has yet to be a single upload w/o a failure :)
[17:13] <neversfelde> kdebindings is a beast
[17:13] <nixternal> i uploaded it enough times to realize i don't want to upload it anymore :)  though i do depend on it quite heavily...maybe it is time to work on it again...nah :)
[17:14] <geser> neversfelde: I live not that far away from you (Dortmund) :)
[17:14] <cjwatson> comment about debian/copyright from apachelogger in your application; have you looked at the DEP-5 copyright format stuff?
[17:14] <nixternal> neversfelde: there you go, now you can go to geser's house and get him using Kubuntu :)
[17:15] <neversfelde> geser: than you should ignore my preferences in soccer :)
[17:15] <neversfelde> nixternal: I will do that, once I have some Lucid CDs
[17:16]  * geser upgrades to maverick before that :)
[17:16] <neversfelde> hehe
[17:17] <cjwatson> we seem to have a bit of a dearth of questions to ask ...?
[17:17] <nixternal> lol
[17:18] <cody-somerville> neversfelde, Do you feel you have a good understanding of Ubuntu development policies and development cycle? Do you see any room for improvement in either?
[17:18] <nixternal> kind of hard for me to come up with anything as i have worked with neversfelde now for quite some time on kubuntu.....sponsored a package here or there back in the day
[17:18] <geser> neversfelde: as you used REVU to review packages. Does the process still work or should it get improved and how?
[17:19] <neversfelde> cjwatson: yes, I am working more careful on this
[17:20] <neversfelde> cody-somerville: I think I have after beeing part of the team for two cycles now. There are always some things to learn, though
[17:20] <cjwatson> that was to cody I guess
[17:20] <nixternal> no, i think that was for you debian/copyright question
[17:21] <cody-somerville> I'm ready to vote.
[17:21] <neversfelde> geser: it works, but it is far away from beeing perfect, for example it does not work with source format 3.0
[17:21] <nixternal> i am ready to vote as well
[17:21] <neversfelde> cjwatson: yes, it was for your question
[17:21] <persia____> Fixing REVU for format 3.0 needs a working sparc kernel, mostly :)
[17:22] <neversfelde> I am sorry, I  have a bad connection here, everything is very slow
[17:22] <nixternal> [VOTE] Christian Mangold MOTU Application
[17:22] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Christian Mangold MOTU Application.
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[17:22] <nixternal> +1
[17:22] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[17:23] <persia____> +1 : 2 cycles as productive ninja with wide universe scope
[17:23] <MootBot> +1 received from persia____. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[17:23] <geser> +1
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[17:23] <apachelogger> persia____: revu is running sparc? scary...
[17:23] <apachelogger> explains a lot :P
[17:24] <cjwatson> +1
[17:24] <MootBot> +1 received from cjwatson. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[17:24] <cody-somerville> +1
[17:24] <MootBot> +1 received from cody-somerville. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[17:24] <soren> +1
[17:24] <MootBot> +1 received from soren. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[17:24] <nixternal> [ENDVOTE]
[17:24] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6
[17:24] <nixternal> congrats and welcome neversfelde
[17:24] <neversfelde> Thank you all
[17:24] <apachelogger> neversfelde: congrats
[17:24] <nixternal> [TOPIC]Scott Moser PPU Application
[17:24] <MootBot> New Topic: Scott Moser PPU Application
[17:24] <nixternal> [LINK]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScottMoser/DeveloperApplicationPPU
[17:24] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScottMoser/DeveloperApplicationPPU
[17:24] <nixternal> [LINK]https://edge.launchpad.net/~smoser
[17:24] <MootBot> LINK received: https://edge.launchpad.net/~smoser
[17:25] <smoser> Hi, My name is Scott Moser (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScottMoser/DeveloperApplicationPPU).  I'm a member of the Ubuntu Server team, and have ben active fixing bugs and maintaining some of the "cloud" packages in ubuntu, and have done bug fixes and some new packaging on general server packages.  I'm in charge of producing our EC2/UEC images.  Hopefully, if someone is using "Ubuntu" on EC2, they're using these images or s
[17:25] <smoser> tarting from them.
[17:25] <smoser> I'm applying for PPU access to cloud-init, cloud-utils, ec2-ami-tools, ec2-api-tools, euca2ools, eucalyptus, python-boto, vm-builder.  For each of these packages I have support from the ubuntu maintainer for this application, and am the primary 'upstream' developer of native-ish packages cloud-init and cloud-utils.
[17:27]  * smoser hears crickets
[17:27] <smoser> EOF
[17:28] <soren> Heh :)
[17:28] <nixternal> heh, trying to dig up a question :)
[17:28] <soren> I'm just ready to vote :)
[17:29] <nixternal> smoser: seems you and I have that same 'proctrastination' bug as we are used to longer dev cycles elsewhere...have you done anything to fix that?
[17:29] <smoser> been whacked on the head
[17:29] <persia____> smoser: From your experience coordingating AMI image release, what parts of the release process did you find most awkward?
[17:29] <smoser> i guess that the work item tracker has probabply helped a bit
[17:30] <nixternal> ie. i started using some GTD methods to help, I use task by taskwarrior.org and share the backend files via dropbox for all machines, including my droid...that helps me a lot now
[17:30] <nixternal> task is cli and is the greatest GTD app in the world!
[17:30] <smoser> nixternal, the work item tracker is gtd-ish tool.  i havent adopted anything else.
[17:30] <geser> smoser: should the "server edition" have a different (longer) release schedule than the "desktop"?
[17:31] <smoser> persia____, regardin the release... the thing i dislike the most is not having a consistent set of packages across all releases (isos or images).
[17:31] <cody-somerville> I'm ready to vote.
[17:31] <nixternal> lol, me too cody-somerville :)
[17:32] <cjwatson> smoser: not having a consistent set of packages - expand?
[17:32] <smoser> it would seem ideal to me if there was a snapshot point in time for all releases, rather than the kind of rolling snapshot that we end up with (as some isos have bugs found, others do not, we do not re-spin all to pick up fixes and re-test)
[17:32] <cjwatson> oh I see, right
[17:32] <cjwatson> yeah, nasty compromises
[17:33] <smoser> geser, i dont think server should have longer release schedule
[17:33] <smoser> i think 6 month releases are one of the major reasons why people come to ubuntu
[17:33] <smoser> at least it was for me.
[17:33] <persia____> smoser: Heh.  You pick one where there's so many people working on ways to resolve it that I can't usefully pinck your brain :)
[17:33]  * persia____ has no other questions
[17:34] <cjwatson> me neither
[17:34] <nixternal> [VOTE] Scott Moser PPU Application
[17:34] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Scott Moser PPU Application.
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[17:34] <nixternal> +1
[17:34] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[17:34] <smoser> i very much like the dream of "make all archive" being reproducible at any given point in time.
[17:34] <soren> +1
[17:34] <MootBot> +1 received from soren. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[17:34] <geser> +1
[17:34] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[17:34] <cjwatson> smoser: I would love to have archive snapshots in LP - been on the wishlist for a long time, that
[17:34] <cjwatson> +1
[17:34] <MootBot> +1 received from cjwatson. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[17:35] <cody-somerville> +1
[17:35] <MootBot> +1 received from cody-somerville. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[17:35] <nixternal> persia____:?
[17:35] <persia____> +1
[17:35] <MootBot> +1 received from persia____. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[17:35] <nixternal> [ENDVOTE]
[17:35] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6
[17:36] <nixternal> congrats smoser !!!
[17:36] <smoser> woohoo, now to brussels. thank you all.
[17:36] <cjwatson> again, will implement after meeting
[17:36] <nixternal> dobey: you around?
[17:36] <dobey> yep
[17:36] <nixternal> [TOPIC] Rodney Dawes PPU Application
[17:36] <MootBot> New Topic:  Rodney Dawes PPU Application
[17:36] <nixternal> [LINK]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RodneyDawes/DeveloperApplication
[17:36] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RodneyDawes/DeveloperApplication
[17:37] <cjwatson> (the other two PPU candidates are in the room here at UDS)
[17:37] <nixternal> [LINK]https://edge.launchpad.net/~dobey
[17:37] <MootBot> LINK received: https://edge.launchpad.net/~dobey
[17:38] <cjwatson> I'm curious whether our art teams make use of icontol
[17:38] <cjwatson> icontool
[17:38] <cjwatson> and if so whether it ought to be in main?
[17:39] <dobey> it is used by ubuntuone-client
[17:39]  * soren has to leave in a little bit
[17:39] <cjwatson> in the upstream release prep process or something?
[17:39] <dobey> i'd like to get more artists using the tools and improving them as well though
[17:40] <dobey> yes, to generate the PNG icons from the SVG
[17:40] <cjwatson> ok, then I think we should get it into main; but this is probably a side issue from your app ...
[17:40] <dobey> i am fine with that :)
[17:41] <cjwatson> ... any substantive questions?
[17:41] <persia____> dobey: You seem also active upstream for a couple of these packages.  Could you share your experiences with the Ubuntu freeze cycles and how that affects work planning?
[17:42] <nixternal> i am waiting for ubuntuone to work with a) Kubuntu (this release hopefully right apachelogger?) and b) android...and having a bit more than 2GB of storage for me would be helpful, as I am up to 6GB with dropbox and invites :)
[17:42] <cjwatson> we probably shouldn't hold dobey responsible for commercial aspects of u1
[17:42] <dobey> sure. the karmic cycle was a bit difficult as the lp milestones don't reflect the actual freeze dates, but the milestones instead
[17:42] <nixternal> hehe
[17:43] <cjwatson> oh, that's an interesting point about milestones
[17:43] <cjwatson> I wonder if we should change that
[17:43] <geser> dobey: as you mentioned not much experience with packaging, how complicated are the packages you want PPU upload rights and how comfortable do you feel yourself to understand with what's going on behind the scenes?
[17:43] <nixternal> dobey: are you planning on extending out from u1 in the future or are you happy with just uploading it for now?
[17:43] <cjwatson> (this is the first time I've seen that mentioned - I'm usually the one who creates the milestones since I'm typically the release team member who's still awake the day after release)
[17:43] <dobey> geser: i have lots of experience with packaging, that was pitti's comment about debian packaging
[17:44] <cjwatson> dobey: if you could send me a mail about that as a reminder, I'd appreciate it
[17:44] <dobey> geser: i am plenty confident though
[17:44] <dobey> cjwatson: will do
[17:44] <cody-somerville> I'm ready to vote.
[17:44]  * nixternal too
[17:44] <dobey> nixternal: yeah, i will work on others in the future, and apply approrpriately
[17:45]  * persia____ is ready
[17:45]  * soren has to leave right around now
[17:45] <nixternal> [VOTE] Rodney Dawes PPU Application
[17:45] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Rodney Dawes PPU Application.
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[17:45] <nixternal> +1
[17:45] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[17:45] <cody-somerville> +1
[17:45] <MootBot> +1 received from cody-somerville. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[17:45] <geser> +1
[17:45] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[17:46] <persia____> +1
[17:46] <MootBot> +1 received from persia____. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[17:46] <cjwatson> +1
[17:46] <MootBot> +1 received from cjwatson. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[17:46] <soren> 01
[17:46] <soren> er
[17:46] <soren> +1
[17:46] <MootBot> +1 received from soren. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[17:46] <nixternal> [ENDVOTE]
[17:46] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6
[17:46] <nixternal> haha
[17:46] <nixternal> congrats dobey !!!
[17:46] <dobey> thanks all!
[17:46] <geser> not bad, voting done in 20 sec :)
[17:46] <nixternal> chad miller here?
[17:46] <CardinalFang> Yes.  <- CHad
[17:46] <nixternal> ahh, you are hiding :)
[17:46] <apachelogger> nixternal: I'll resign if I do not get u1-kde done
[17:47] <CardinalFang> Old Freenode nick.  Sorry.
[17:47] <cjwatson> "with(=against) KenVanDine" - *grin*, but can you expand on that?
[17:47] <nixternal> [TOPIC] Chad Miller PPU Application
[17:47] <MootBot> New Topic:  Chad Miller PPU Application
[17:47] <nixternal> [LINK]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChadMiller/DeveloperApplication
[17:47] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChadMiller/DeveloperApplication
[17:47] <apachelogger> nixternal: and apply for a job at the local apple reseller
[17:47] <nixternal> [LINK]https://edge.launchpad.net/~cmiller
[17:47] <MootBot> LINK received: https://edge.launchpad.net/~cmiller
[17:47] <CardinalFang> cjohnston, I'm only joking.  I bothered him too often about uploading, while he was busy with other things.  This is a reason I'm applying.
[17:47] <nixternal> apachelogger: you better! get it done that is, you already work for apple i thought :p
[17:48] <apachelogger> !
[17:48] <apachelogger> you mustn't talk about this in the public
[17:48] <cjwatson> yeah, I heard quite a bit of "we're completely reliant on Ken to get things in" from online services a while back
[17:48] <cody-somerville> CardinalFang, Did you ask Ken to endorse your application?
[17:49] <CardinalFang> cody-somerville, I did ping him on IRC twice, but got no response.
[17:49] <CardinalFang> A process question:  I may be interested in maintaining 'python-keyring' later, which is currently in Universe and I will soon request be pulled into Main.  Do I come back here, or do something else?
[17:49]  * cjwatson attempts to prod ken on irc
[17:49] <cjwatson> the former
[17:50] <geser> CardinalFang: just curious: why did you retire from DD?
[17:50] <cjwatson> sometimes we establish something like "you have permissions for all the printing stuff" and in that case we can add packages freely, but those seem a bit too disconnected for that
[17:50] <nixternal> cuz canonical paid more silly :p
[17:50] <cjwatson> last I checked Canonical didn't mind us being DDs ;-)
[17:50] <CardinalFang> geser, I was not active.  I thought it best to give up my keyring-access to upload than let it sit and be a security problem.
[17:51] <cody-somerville> CardinalFang, Is there anybody else that you've worked with on these packages that could have endorsed your application?
[17:51] <nixternal> "I like Python and long walks on the beach" - that is just wrong on so many levels! I am willing to bet you have that on your Dating profile as well :D
[17:51]  * cjwatson goes to hunt down diffs
[17:52] <CardinalFang> cody-somerville, Hrm.  Not recently.  I worked with james_w with some of the early source-package branch of desktopcouch, but none of that since late last year.
[17:53] <CardinalFang> And I'm sure it wasn't memorable for him.
[17:54] <nixternal> CardinalFang: has a lot changed in your eyes in regards to packaging since you retired from DD? if so, have you kept up with it even though you weren't doing the whole packaging thing?
[17:54] <cjwatson> the lack of endorsements is a bit irregular, but I've looked over the uploaded diffs and personally I'd have sponsored any of those without qualms (well, except that I'd probably have suggested the use of patch tagging; relatively minor)
[17:56] <cjwatson> CardinalFang: desktopcouch 0.6.4-0ubuntu1 looks like it was relatively late in the release process, just before final freeze; can you go into the reasons for that?
[17:56] <CardinalFang> I didn't keep up with debhelper and some of the other tools have evolved a bit, but I'm not surprised by anything.  I especially like some of the recipes in CDBS.
[17:56] <persia____> I'm a bit more concerned about the lack of *any* comments or endorsements, given the fairly short timeframe of activity, and in comparison to decisions taken at last meeting in similar circumstances.
[17:56] <cjwatson> (not an intrinsic criticism, just interested in the reasoning)
[17:56] <nixternal> yeah, i became a cdbs junky, but the new debhelper is a bit sexy
[17:57] <cjwatson> http://people.debian.org/~cjwatson/dhstats.png - I know which adoption curve I want to be on
[17:57] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.debian.org/~cjwatson/dhstats.png - I know which adoption curve I want to be on
[17:57]  * cjwatson rings the off-topic bell at himself
[17:57] <nixternal> hahaha
[17:58] <cody-somerville> I'm ready to vote.
[17:58] <CardinalFang> cjwatson, there were several bugs that I couldn't reproduce that hit something like 3% of machines.  Usually netbooks.  It was some timing/race bug, I am pretty sure, with more than one start-request of couchdb.
[17:58] <cjwatson> ah, the thread->process change?
[17:59] <cjwatson> certainly no fan of multithreading here ...
[17:59] <CardinalFang> Oh gods, don't bring that up.  No, I refer to something else.
[17:59] <CardinalFang> I *think* that two processes would try to start couchdb at session start, and one would fail.
[17:59] <CardinalFang> In any case, a retry fixed it.
[18:00]  * nixternal is ready to vote
[18:00] <CardinalFang> cjwatson, I didn't look up that version, so I'm working from my memory of the late upload to desktopcouch.
[18:00]  * cjwatson tries not to get sucked into reading bug 530541
[18:00] <cjwatson> ok
[18:01] <cjwatson> ready
[18:01] <persia____> ready
[18:01] <nixternal> [VOTE] Chad Miller PPU Application
[18:01] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Chad Miller PPU Application.
[18:01] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[18:01] <nixternal> +1
[18:01] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[18:01] <persia____> +0 : not enough history or comments/endorsements to be sure
[18:01] <MootBot> Abstention received from persia____. 1 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1
[18:02] <cjwatson> +1 - I wish Ken had responded, and normally that would make me +0, but in this particular case I had the time and opportunity to read through patches and convince myself of their sanity and such
[18:02] <MootBot> +1 received from cjwatson. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2
[18:02] <cody-somerville> -1 No endorsements
[18:02] <MootBot> -1 received from cody-somerville. 2 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1
[18:02] <geser> +0 :  the same as persia
[18:02] <MootBot> Abstention received from geser. 2 for, 1 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 1
[18:02] <nixternal> [ENDVOTE]
[18:02] <MootBot> Final result is 2 for, 1 against. 2 abstained. Total: 1
[18:02] <nixternal> we need to take this to the list for stgraber and soren to vote on?
[18:03] <persia____> No.  At +1, two more votes can't reach threshold.
[18:03] <nixternal> ahh, good point
[18:04] <CardinalFang> Dang.  Okay.
[18:04] <nixternal> CardinalFang: in 2 weeks we will have another meeting...get ken and anyone else to comment on your app and come back...you might be down right now but you are far from out
[18:04] <cjwatson> four more votes could reach threshold given the two non-present folks, right?
[18:04] <cjwatson> or am I confused?
[18:04] <cody-somerville> CardinalFang, See if you can get endorsements from the folks who have a history maintaining those packages. Once you get that, I'm sure you'll have no trouble.
[18:05] <cjwatson> never mind, I was thinking there were nine board members
[18:05] <cjwatson> doh
[18:05] <CardinalFang> Will do, cody-somerville.
[18:05] <nixternal> JamieBennett: you here?
[18:05] <JamieBennett> yes
[18:05] <cjwatson> it doesn't look as if anyone had substantive comments; I would not anticipate problems if you can get Ken to pull his finger out and comment :-)
[18:05] <nixternal> [TOPIC] Jamie Bennett Contributing Developer Application
[18:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Jamie Bennett Contributing Developer Application
[18:05] <cjwatson> hang on
[18:05] <nixternal> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JamieBennett/UniverseContributorApplication
[18:05] <cjwatson> we're running into dinnertime here I'm afraid
[18:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JamieBennett/UniverseContributorApplication
[18:06] <nixternal> [LINK] https://edge.launchpad.net/~jamiebennett
[18:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://edge.launchpad.net/~jamiebennett
[18:06] <cjwatson> and it's been two hours
[18:06] <nixternal> this should be a quick easy one then we will adjourn?
[18:06] <JamieBennett> Hi, my name is Jamie Bennett. I'm currently a member of the Ubuntu Mobile team concentrating on the ARM architecture.
[18:06] <JamieBennett> Although officially I work on ARM specific stuff, I do development on a wider scale.
[18:07]  * persia____ is happy to chair next time
[18:07] <JamieBennett> I was responsible for the web office solution currently in Lucid (webservice-office-zoho) which is in main and is the default office solution on our ARM images.
[18:07] <JamieBennett> I also worked on the live-cd improvements which resulted in a ~35% boot speed-up (improving casper). Along with this I was responsible for pushing the netbook-launcher-efl interface into the images which is the default UI on ARM desktop.
[18:07] <JamieBennett> I concentrate on ARM enablement, optimizations, FTBFS fixes, testing and bug reporting/fixing.
[18:07] <JamieBennett> [EOF]
[18:10] <nixternal> i am trying to dig for a question here :)
[18:10] <cody-somerville> JamieBennett, You seems to have quite the Canonical fan club :P
[18:10] <JamieBennett> :)
[18:10] <JamieBennett> I try to talk to alot of people
[18:11] <ari-tczew> what happens? meeting pause?
[18:12] <ari-tczew> due to dinner?
[18:12] <nixternal> there is seriously nothing that blatently screams, "Hey pick on this here, it needs work, let's see if we can get him there..."
[18:12] <JamieBennett> nixternal: good ;)
[18:13] <nixternal> i seriously don't have any questions for this app, anyone else? I am ready to vote
[18:14] <cody-somerville> lets vote
[18:14] <cody-somerville> I'm hungry and want to go eat.
[18:14] <nixternal> cody-somerville: are you at uds?
[18:15] <nixternal> dumb question, i know you are
[18:15] <nixternal> nevermind that
[18:15] <nixternal> [VOTE] Jamie Bennett Contributing Developer Application
[18:15] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Jamie Bennett Contributing Developer Application.
[18:15] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[18:15] <nixternal> +1
[18:15] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[18:15] <cody-somerville> +0
[18:15] <MootBot> Abstention received from cody-somerville. 1 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1
[18:15] <persia____> +1
[18:15] <MootBot> +1 received from persia____. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2
[18:15] <geser> +1
[18:15] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
[18:16] <cjwatson> +1 - after a bit of thought, keep on uploading stuff so that the decision is easier in future! :-)
[18:16] <MootBot> +1 received from cjwatson. 4 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 4
[18:16] <nixternal> [ENDVOTE]
[18:16] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 4
[18:18] <nixternal> do we need to send to the ml for more votes?
[18:19] <nixternal> or is this a congrats? did everyone leave who is at UDS?
[18:19] <cjwatson> I don't think so, persia reckons 4 is the threshold
[18:19] <nixternal> so that is a congrats then?
[18:19] <persia____> I think so.
[18:19] <nixternal> congrats! :)
[18:19]  * persia____ heads for food
[18:19] <cjwatson> we are still here but dying to shovel in some food
[18:19] <JamieBennett> \o/
[18:19] <JamieBennett> thanks
[18:19] <nixternal> [TOPIC] Other Business
[18:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Other Business
[18:19] <nixternal> [ACTION] persia to chair next meeting
[18:19] <MootBot> ACTION received:  persia to chair next meeting
[18:20] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: I think, regrettably, at this point we have just run out of steam and need to pause; would like to give your app proper consideration
[18:20] <nixternal> [ACTION] nixternal to do minutes
[18:20] <MootBot> ACTION received:  nixternal to do minutes
[18:20] <geser> nixternal: don't let those at UDS die from hunger, we still need them :)
[18:20] <cjwatson> I'm sorry that that means it's just you remaining - please don't take that the wrong way
[18:20] <ari-tczew> pause for some minutes?
[18:20] <ari-tczew> I'm waiting for 2 hours
[18:20] <ari-tczew> ...
[18:20] <nixternal> ari-tczew: they are at UDS, it is 7PM there, they will eat then get drunk
[18:21] <cjwatson> up to the chair, but I'm not expecting to be online again this evening; I don't know about anyone else
[18:21] <cjwatson> nixternal: some maybe :) I'm ill and likely to go to bed early
[18:21] <nixternal> aww, that sucks
[18:21]  * ari-tczew thinks that this is unfair
[18:21] <cjwatson> persia has already left
[18:21] <cjwatson> oh wait, he's back
[18:23] <nixternal> ari-tczew: i would love to get your app complete, but those at uds have to go eat and may not be back online tonight...if that is the case, then it would be just me to interview you, and then send your app to the mailing list, where it will get debated and questions asked...it will take the same amount of time than coming back at the next meeting...
[18:23] <nixternal> nothing i can really do, and I apologize for that
[18:23] <ari-tczew> I Dałem pierwszeństwo osobom niemającym czasu, a sam zostałem na lodzie.
[18:23] <nixternal> it may seem a bit unfair, but i think a bit of patience would be greatly appreciated, plus if you were to get MOTU today, nothing much for you to do right now anyways
[18:23] <ari-tczew> sorry, translate
[18:23] <ari-tczew> I gave priority to people not having time, and he was on the ice.
[18:23] <cjwatson> I'm fine with working on the mailing list
[18:24] <nixternal> ari-tczew: you would have still be last no matter who went first
[18:24]  * cjwatson looks at the agenda order - quite
[18:24] <cody-somerville> nixternal, Can you add an item to the agenda for next meeting for the DMB to establish a time limit or max # of applicants we'll process in a single meeting?
[18:25] <cjwatson> oh god, I still need to add PPUs to Launchpad as well
[18:25] <nixternal> cody-somerville: yeah, I would like to modify the way people are adding themselves for membership and maybe do the cutoff like we did for the RMB
[18:25] <ari-tczew> I wasted 2 hours, but this week I'm very busy and this time is necessary for me. thanks a lot!
[18:25] <nixternal> ari-tczew: yeah, that isn't helping your cause, especially when one of the things on your app that says you need work with is patience
[18:25] <nixternal> #endmeeting
[18:25] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:25.
[18:25] <nixternal> ok, i will do the team report, wiki page, and minutes email
[18:26] <nixternal> have a great evening those of you at uds, and have a great rest of the day or whatever to everyone else! thanks!
[18:26] <ari-tczew> this is frivolously
[18:27] <ari-tczew> when will be next meeting?
[18:29] <cjwatson> 25th May
[18:29] <ari-tczew> time?
[18:29] <cjwatson> we could process an e-mail discussion more quickly than that though
[18:29] <cjwatson> same time
[18:31] <ari-tczew> I want to got priority for me next meeting
[18:31] <cjwatson> I see no reason why you would not be first on the list
[18:32] <cjwatson> I'll confirm this with persia (next chair) at dinner
[18:32] <ari-tczew> some people add themselve applications after me
[18:33] <ari-tczew> ehh...
[18:48] <geser> ari-tczew: we should add some sorting into the applications that those who applied first get handled first and not pushed back to the end of the agenda (or even the next meeting) because they apply for MOTU and core-dev and not for PPU or UUC
[18:51] <ari-tczew> geser: so please sorting, because what you did today is due to disesteem people time (today me)
[18:52] <zanzibar1982> hi everyone
[18:54] <ari-tczew> hi
[18:54] <geser> ari-tczew: we got lucky till now that we had only few applicants per meeting which could all be handled in one meeting (one hour). But unfortunately we had in the last two meetings more applicants than we could handle in even a 2 hour meeting :(
[18:59] <ari-tczew> geser: I don't care about it, you are a DMB member not me. you moved me at end of queue and then kick my ass saying "sorry man, we're going eat and then relax, f|_|ck off". I feel disrespect me.
[23:48] <DrKenobi> Ubuntu Beginners Team Meeting today? 23 UTC?
[23:48] <Silver_Fox_> Yes.
[23:48] <DrKenobi> 12 minutes for the meeting? I am a little bit confused with UTC
[23:48] <man0riaX> 12:48am here. <:
[23:49] <Silver_Fox_> DrKenobi,  Open a terminal and enter the following command:  date -u
[23:49] <DrKenobi> ok
[23:49] <Silver_Fox_> It will tell you the current date and time in UTC format
[23:49] <DrKenobi> great! thanks Silver_Fox_
[23:50] <Silver_Fox_> Pleasure..
[23:50] <man0riaX> Oh, really cool command. Thank you
[23:50] <Silver_Fox_> Pleasure.
[23:56] <bodhi_zazen> lol
[23:57] <man0riaX> Hi bodhi_zazen
[23:57] <man0riaX> <: