=== That_Wiki_Guy is now known as ZachK_ === ogasawara_ is now known as ogasawara === 15SAATXS5 is now known as bandwidthcrunch === sladen_ is now known as sladen [09:35] Will the meeing beiginnow or? [09:42] jussi, I think I fixed the UTC issue with gcalendar. [09:42] jussi, (a little while ago) [09:42] jussi, Can you confirm if its still an issue or not? [09:43] cody-somerville: err, which issue? Im at uds and some whatconcentrating on other stuff. [09:43] * jussi defers to tsimpson [09:44] jussi, /topic [09:44] cody-somerville: ahh, yeah. tsimpson can give you all the info on that. [09:45] tsimpson, :) [09:49] When will new Ubuntu Members be taken up? === fenris-monash is now known as ejat [09:52] jussi: I can? [09:52] Can what? [09:55] !member | halvors [09:55] halvors: Want to become an Ubuntu member? Look at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember [09:55] apw: C [09:56] Yes i have done all this ;) [09:56] Only waiting for the meeting to start ;) [09:57] halvors: which meeting are you waiting for? [09:58] AsiaOceania [09:58] It will begin now [09:58] ;) [09:59] hehe | ubottu [09:59] !none [09:59] 10:00 utc is in an hour [10:01] Ok, the meeting begin 12:00 GMT +1? [10:01] at 11:00 GMT+1 [10:01] UTC is the same time as GMT [10:01] Ooh, so I do get to go home first? Yay! [10:02] My clock is 11 now [10:03] so the meeting have to begin now or have i taken fail? [10:03] halvors, you need to wait for one hour [10:03] ok [10:03] i misunderstand sorry ;) [10:03] halvors: it's 09:03 UTC now [10:04] thanks [10:04] halvors, you can always check UTC time by typign "date -u" in your terminal === Claudinux_ is now known as Claudinux [10:58] Meeting begin? [10:58] halvors: few min [10:59] Ok, a am waiting ;) [10:59] persia: elky: Hi [10:59] how many do we have here? [10:59] amachu, o/ [10:59] hi all [10:59] hi [11:00] freeflying: Hi [11:00] amachu: hey, long time no see :) [11:01] Vantrax: Hello! [11:01] we do have quorum I believe [11:01] Shall we begin? [11:02] yes ;) [11:02] elky: yes [11:02] * elky wonders if she remembers how the bot works... [11:02] * Vantrax is ready [11:02] #startmeeting [11:02] Meeting started at 05:02. The chair is elky. [11:02] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [11:02] :D [11:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania [11:03] is nasirkhan amongst us as a different name [11:03] ? [11:03] elky: persia, takdir, lifeless are missing though [11:03] amachu, quorum is 4 afaik. [11:03] I am here ;) [11:04] also i am Halvor Lyche Strandvoll [11:04] elky: I understand, we shall kick off [11:04] halvors: Please wait [11:04] For? [11:04] nasirkhan is not here [11:04] halvors, the person listed above you to have a chance to show up [11:05] he's also known as saikat says launchpad [11:05] halvors: there is a name before yours, just wanted to ensure he isn't here before considering you [11:05] yes [11:05] 0/ [11:05] yes i understand ;) [11:05] Vantrax: freeflying: We have begun [11:05] amachu: yes [11:06] halvors: yes, go ahead.. [11:06] yes... [11:06] so [11:06] ... [11:06] takdir will be late a bit ... prayer time in ID [11:07] ejat, aha, thank you [11:08] elky : :) [11:09] Halvors, can you tell us a little about yourself and your contribution? [11:10] halvors: are you there? [11:10] I come from Norway, i live in a small city Asker, near Olso. [11:10] Yes i am here ;) [11:11] halvors, you need to explain to us why you deserve membership [11:11] halvors: https://translations.launchpad.net/~halvors/+activity is that all your contributions? [11:11] And i want to be a member of Ubuntu and help transelate Ubuntu into Norwegian, i will transelate primary to NO_nb but maybe to NO_nb too [11:12] Yes, i have been more active here at IRC, in the Ubuntu Server channel [11:13] And i need to be a member og Ubuntu to be a member of Ubuntu Norwegian Transelators. [11:14] Are you there? [11:14] we are [11:14] halvors: you done? [11:15] Yes, if there is no more somone will know... [11:15] halvors: are there people here to support your nomination? [11:15] launchpad is excruciatingly slow for me today [11:16] As said i will be more active if i be a Ubuntu memeber. [11:16] No, i not think. [11:16] halvors .. is it need to be that way? [11:16] halvors: why don't you try to apply from EMEA meeting? since you're living in a Europe timezone [11:16] Becouse it is so long time until [11:17] Here somone said to me that i could use Asia/Oceania instead [11:17] I am curious how you need to be a member of Ubuntu to be a member of Norwegian Translators, I [11:17] er I have never heard of that as a requirement [11:17] Vantrax, yeah, that sounds quite odd [11:17] No, meybe [11:17] maybe sry [11:18] halvors: as amachu asked, do you have anyone here to support you? [11:18] [LINK] https://launchpad.net/~halvors [11:18] I only heard that when i requested to Ubuntu Norwegian Transelators [11:18] LINK received: https://launchpad.net/~halvors [11:18] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/halvors [11:18] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/halvors [11:18] sorry i'm late [11:19] No.. Who should that be? [11:19] Ok, well, i'm sorry but I'm going to vote -1 for you today. It seems we have some issues to discuss with the norwegian translators, but you have not done enough for membership in my opinion. [11:19] halvors, i think you have made a great start in your contributions [11:19] but ubuntu membership is a reward for significant and sustained contributions to ubuntu [11:20] [VOTE] halvors for member [11:20] Please vote on: halvors for member. [11:20] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [11:20] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [11:20] -1 [11:20] -1 received from elky. 0 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1 [11:20] halvors: I can notice contributions from you, but they aren't substantial enough to give a +1 in favour. Good start.. [11:20] -1 for me to since halvors not in the norwegian translator team [11:20] -1 received from ejat. 0 for, 2 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -2 [11:20] -1 [11:20] -1 received from Vantrax. 0 for, 3 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -3 [11:20] _1 [11:20] -1 [11:20] -1 received from freeflying. 0 for, 4 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -4 [11:20] We will work with you to get through this requirement. [11:20] I think we will have to find out about you not being able to join, that seems to be an area of consern [11:21] But right now, we're not going to make you a member just so you can join it. [11:21] It doesn't fix what's broken if we do :) [11:21] I think you are making a great start to your contribution but I would like to see it continue over a longer period [11:21] probably if it is some issue about joining Norweign LoCo, you shall talk to jono [11:22] translation team i think [11:22] Ok, i understand. [11:22] ill find out who is in charge of the team and double check that requirement. It should not be there [11:22] Someone could help me get inside the Ubuntu Norwegian Translators? [11:23] halvors, we will, yes. [11:23] We will halvors [11:23] contact the LoCo contact person [11:23] have you tried? [11:23] halvors: is it a Loco + translation team? [11:23] So should i try to request new membership at Ubuntu Norwegian transelators? [11:23] are you involved in the Norwegian loco? [11:23] loco? [11:24] the local ubuntu club if you prefer [11:24] halvors, could you provide us with links to the launchpad teams you are trying to join? [11:24] I am norwegian and a i am i Norway now [11:24] locos are local user groups that promote and work with ubuntu in their countries/states [11:25] [ENDVOTE] [11:25] Final result is 0 for, 4 against. 0 abstained. Total: -4 [11:25] are you in touch with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hubuntu [11:25] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams?action=show&redirect=LoCo [11:25] elky: I gave +0 [11:25] elky: and appears you have closed voting [11:25] no [11:26] amachu, oh, sorry, i thought we all voted [11:26] ejat: voted in between [11:26] that counted for -4 [11:26] elky: no probs [11:27] halvors: suggest you contact the team, and if you couldn't get a respose contact the loco-contacts list or jono [11:27] Here is the team i try to join: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-no [11:27] halvors, if you get in touch with your loco, and the guys in your local ubuntu channel [11:27] halvors, it's better if there is some testimonial for you at your wiki from ubuntu norwegian translators or your loco team [11:28] halvors, have you ever been in #ubuntu-no ? [11:28] I have waited for membership in norwegian transelators [11:28] anyone from here from ubuntu-no to support u halvors ? [11:28] in 2 mouths [11:28] Nope [11:29] halvors you can definately contribute to translations without being in that team, that group is responsible for reviewing and approving translation submissions [11:29] fine.. [11:29] nasirkhan isn't here.. [11:30] and welcome takdir Vantrax :-) [11:30] o/ [11:30] What should i do for be a member of ubuntu? [11:30] also more [11:30] welcome to both of u :) [11:30] :) [11:30] contribute more, what you have already been doing over a longer period of time [11:31] also get involved in your loco (the people in #ubuntu-no will help) [11:31] ok [11:31] thanks [11:31] halvors, if have blog, you can write your activity for ubuntu and post some pictures [11:31] halvors: there has be some credible proof of sustained contribution for Ubuntu.. [11:31] hope i can be a member for next meeting ;) [11:31] halvors: there has to be some credible proof of sustained contribution for Ubuntu.. [11:31] no problem, i hope to see you back here again in a few months with some testimonials on your wiki and a crowd to cheer you on [11:32] get involved with ubuntu-no activities ... then from there u may see what u can contribute ... [11:32] ;) [11:32] halvors, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NorwegianTeam will be of use to you if you have not already seen it [11:32] anyone else? [11:33] ejat, should we wait around for nasir? [11:34] its up to the board .. [11:34] * ejat open for it .. [11:34] ill wait [11:34] i'll wait too [11:35] :) [11:35] probably for another five minutes [11:35] :-) [11:35] ejat: your wiki page? [11:36] amachu : wiki.ubuntu.com/fenris [11:36] * ejat need to update to latest info .. :( sorry for that .. [11:37] * ejat in ubuntu training at Monash University ... 2 things need to be done at one time .. but its ok [11:38] ok [11:38] lifeless: persia: silent today? Hmm.. strange thing to happen.. [11:39] amachu: persia is at UDS [11:39] possibly in the middle of a session [11:39] and so is lifeless [11:39] owh .. concerntration in session :) [11:39] thanks [11:39] has 5 minute past? [11:40] czajkowski: thanks for the info [11:40] amachu, on the other hand, this is why we now have this many members :) [11:40] elky: I have to leave now, there is quorum without me.. [11:40] * ejat need to learn more from u guys .. [11:40] amachu, that's fine. have fun [11:41] later [11:41] amachu : see u soon .. [11:41] elky: ejat: Vantrax: takdir: all four of you, if you can wait, its fine.. [11:41] else declare the meeting is over.. [11:41] am leaving now.. [11:42] i will wait [11:42] * amachu is away: Gone away for now [11:42] amachu, ok, i'll wait [11:42] i'm leaving as well [11:53] * ejat still waiting ..... [11:54] me too, for another 5 min [11:55] yeah, I think we need to finish so other meetings can happen [11:55] may be nasir will not come [11:55] ejat, have you been talking to nasir? [11:55] elky : no .. [11:58] now is 10.58 UTC :) [11:59] we done [11:59] hes not comin [11:59] elky can you close? [11:59] yup [11:59] i think .. can end the meeting [11:59] #endmeeting [11:59] Meeting finished at 05:59. [12:32] #startmeeting [12:32] Meeting started at 06:32. The chair is halvors. [12:32] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [12:32] #endmeeting [12:32] Meeting finished at 06:32. === juliux_ is now known as juliux === oubiwann is now known as oubiwann_ === oubiwann_ is now known as oubiwann [14:25] does anyone knows where do I find the official cd cover art for download === oubiwann is now known as oubiwann_ === oubiwann_ is now known as oubiwann === vanhoof[nyc] is now known as vanhoof [15:58] * lfaraone waves at geser. [15:58] hello [16:01] o/ [16:03] So, are we going to have a meeting today, or is UDS going to trump it? [16:04] on the wiki, "Next DMB meeting: May 11th, 2010 15:00 UTC" [16:05] may someone else will be a chairman today? [16:05] e.g. persia [16:06] There's a session allocated at UDS for it. [16:06] I have no idea why people aren't in it. [16:06] soren: are you at UDS? [16:06] lfaraone: Yes. [16:06] soren: ring some doorbells? :) [16:07] Hi. Is there a Membership Board meeting now? [16:07] I'm in my room. The conference rooms are far away :) [16:07] CardinalFang: there should be one. === oubiwann is now known as oubiwann_ [16:09] Hey [16:09] * cody-somerville wonders where everyone is too. [16:09] o/ [16:09] cody-somerville: Are you in the room? [16:09] soren, I am. === oubiwann_ is now known as oubiwann [16:09] soren, or I think I'm in the right rom. [16:10] cody-somerville: Rosewood? [16:10] cody-somerville: I'm in my own room, so my not being there is expected :) [16:10] * smoser is present [16:10] 4 DMB members are necessary for meeting right? [16:10] ari-tczew: Yes. [16:10] there are only 2 ? [16:11] maybe kees can join meeting? [16:11] cody-somerville, soren, maybe call persia / geser ? [16:11] hmm [16:11] * smoser goes to try to locate someone [16:12] nixternal, ping [16:13] stgraber, ping [16:13] geser, ping [16:13] persia, ping [16:13] cjwatson said he won't be able to make the first half of the meeting. [16:13] kees, ping [16:14] pongers [16:14] ari-tczew: hello [16:14] kees: can you join this meeting now? we're looking for DMB members [16:14] i pinged persia in hallway [16:15] you mean james bond? [16:15] persia is here [16:15] ari-tczew: I can't, I'm in a another meeting [16:15] :( [16:15] I am guessing persia is probably in "Review and Planning for Distributed Development" [16:15] nevermind, there he is now :) [16:16] :} [16:16] Okay, I think we're set then. [16:16] * lfaraone has to be out by 16h UTC. [16:17] neversfelde_: you around? [16:17] members of Ubuntu Technical Board are members of DMB as well? [16:17] just in case this meeting does go on and we can get enough members [16:17] nixternal, Do you want to chair? stgraber doesn't appear to be around. [16:17] sure, wanna make sure we have enough members first [16:17] geser, ping ping ping [16:17] only with mobile phone atm, I will need 20 min to get to a place with network access [16:18] neversfelde_: groovy, i want to make sure you get your stuff heard today...right now it seems 2, maybe 3 of us are here from the dmb today [16:18] silly uds :) [16:18] mdz, Keybuk ping [16:19] ari-tczew: they aren't DMB members [16:19] ari-tczew: They're not DMB. [16:19] ari-tczew: just saw mdz head into a uds session [16:19] We have four: Cody, Soren, Richard, and myself. [16:19] they are the tech board [16:19] rock on! [16:19] * JamieBennett is here if you get around to him [16:19] #startmeeting [16:19] Meeting started at 10:19. The chair is nixternal. [16:19] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:19] and Colin just showed up [16:20] [TOPIC]Review of previous action items: [16:20] New Topic: Review of previous action items: [16:20] FYI: I am on the agenda and I have to leave at 16h20 UTC [16:20] persia____: updates? [16:20] here [16:20] oh, sorry, ~techboard (Ubuntu Technical Board) is a subteam of DMB, this is confusing [16:21] ari-tczew: that's administrative and doesn't reflect the actual board [16:21] ok, let's start metting [16:21] meeting * [16:21] ari-tczew: we already did, see above. [16:21] I did update the wiki pages. [16:21] persia____: thanks! [16:21] okok [16:21] I didn't create the team yet (please carry that over) but have obviously scheduled this meeting :-) [16:22] * geser is finally there [16:22] haha, I was just going to ask you :) [16:22] sorry, was having lunch [16:22] geser come back! [16:22] I've also spoken to TheMuso: reasons for not commenting for abogani are 1) work not up to quality in intrepid, not closely worked with him since then. [16:22] groovy persia____, thanks! [16:23] stgraber and soren: did you vote on Rodrigos app? I have been busing with job interviews for the past 2 weeks, so I have been a bit afk [16:23] s/busing/busy [16:23] nixternal: I think stgraber coudln't make it. [16:23] still, need to add him to the minutes here [16:23] even though they aren't here, we don't leave them out [16:23] nixternal: I sent my +1's (as I did to the chair on IRC), but they don't seem to have landed in the list archives. [16:24] rock on! thanks soren [16:24] ok... [16:24] [TOPIC]Administrative Matters [16:24] New Topic: Administrative Matters [16:24] heh, I take it we didn't consider changing the ordering just yet? :) [16:24] I have no background on this agenda item [16:24] should we have a vote on doing membership stuff the first hour? [16:24] I added that. [16:25] I do think it seems to take us too long agonising before we get started :-) [16:25] we don't want to be doing 2 hour meetings....i say spend an hour on membership if there are that many, and then use the rest of the time to hit the other agenda items? [16:25] I'll write an e-mail to the list about this. [16:25] cody-somerville: thanks [16:26] I think we should do administrative forst, but then focus on membership quickly. [16:26] [ACTION]Cody to write an e-mail to the list concerning the layout/format of the DMB meeting - membership first [16:26] ACTION received: Cody to write an e-mail to the list concerning the layout/format of the DMB meeting - membership first [16:26] ok, move on to membership stuff right now? [16:26] please [16:26] who had to leave in a few minutes? [16:27] me but I still have 40 minutes [16:27] * lfaraone by 16:10 or so. [16:27] (really 15:50, but i can stretch it another 20 if I need to) [16:27] Hi, my name is Jamie Bennett. I currently work for Canonical on the Mobile team concentrating on ARM hardware. [16:27] Although officially I work on ARM specific stuff, I do development on a wider scale. [16:27] heh [16:28] cut and paste to wrong window, sorry [16:28] [TOPIC] Sylvestre Ledru PPU Application [16:28] New Topic: Sylvestre Ledru PPU Application [16:28] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SylvestreLedru/MyApplication [16:28] I have time, I'm not going out [16:28] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SylvestreLedru/MyApplication [16:28] [LINK] https://launchpad.net/~sylvestre-ledru [16:28] LINK received: https://launchpad.net/~sylvestre-ledru [16:28] So, you want me to introduce myself now ? [16:29] Sylvestre: a quick intro will be fine while we work up some questions for you [16:29] ok [16:29] thx [16:29] My full time work is being a core developer on Scilab and in charge of the Linux / Unix / Mac version of the software. [16:29] I am also a Debian Developer, leader of the Debian Science team and involved in the Debian Java team. [16:29] I maintain Scilab and most of it dependencies (like some pretty borring one like atlas). I also maitain some other packages like guake. [16:30] On the overall, if I apply, it is that I would like to be able to manage directly into Ubuntu the most important packages (Scilab, guake, atlas, blas, lapack) to make sure that Ubuntu is shipped with the right versions of ""my"" packages. [16:30] Sylvestre: just on an administrative note, it would help to have an explicit package list - your DDPO page has packages in a few categories (primary maintainer, sponsored upload, NMU, etc.) and it would be easier to deal with an explicit list [16:30] Sylvestre: are you looking at 42 packages to have PPU for? [16:30] Sylvestre: You're clearly very active in thses packages in Debian. Could you share some of your thoughts on how the Ubuntu release cycle differs from Debian, and how this might affect when or what should be uploaded? [16:30] what do you consider the "right versions"? [16:30] this is a deliberately vague question :-) [16:30] oh, plenty of questions [16:31] about the list, some of my package are not very important (worldwind, some 'useless' libs, etc), I can do a list of what seems important [16:31] I don't know if you have a way to help DD on this subject for the list of packages [16:31] Sylvestre, With regards to the packages you're looking for upload permissions for, do you work closely with the Ubuntu developers who work on those packages in Ubuntu? [16:32] cody-somerville, my concern is that they are not really someone working of these packages [16:32] I'm just asking for an explicit list of the packages you're applying for; I'm not trying to pass judgement on their importance [16:32] Sylvestre, For some of them there definitely is. [16:32] blas, lapack, atlas are critical in the scientific world and AFAIK, they are not really maintained on the ubuntu side [16:32] (because I may have to sit and tell Launchpad about the permission changes on each of those and I'm going to need that to be 'for x in foo bar baz;') [16:33] I agree the atlas stack is at best undermaintained [16:33] of course note that we actually regard it as a feature that packages are synced where possible, although obviously somebody needs to be paying attention to bugs [16:34] persia____, I think that Debian is too exigent for its release, the degree of quality is too high. I am happy with testing but for "normal users", I defintely prefer Ubuntu [16:34] cjwatson, I really like working with team, I'll be happy to work with others on the package I maintain (as long as we agree on a common Vcs) [16:35] Sylvestre: I'm more looking for your thoughts on how things would differ from a developer perspective? What do you think you'd have to do differently, etc. [16:35] Sylvestre, What VCS would that be? [16:36] it looks like all of your packages are being sync'd from Debian->Ubuntu [16:36] Debian-science svn or git for science packages [16:36] I am using torsten werner svn for non java / science packages [16:37] I don't know bzr but I don't mind learning [16:37] Sylvestre, Are you familiar with Ubuntu's model of maintaining packages communally? [16:37] Sylvestre: your LP page doesn't show any sponsored uploads. Was there no need for e.g. sync requests after DIF to pull fixes from Debian to Ubuntu or did someone else those? [16:38] (sorry, I am doing the list) [16:38] the list would be atlas, blas, code-saturne and its dependencies (ecs, libbft, libcgns, libfvm, libmei) Scilab and its dependencies (flexdock, jeuclid, jhdf, libjgraphx-java, libjlatexmath-java, libjogl-java, libjrosetta-java, libmatio,libskinlf-java), [16:39]