[00:00] I have a mythbuntu box built on an asus e1870 p4p 800 sx motherboard. Sadly, a) I need to upgrade to an HDMI video card to work with my new TV, and b) the onboard networking appears broken. [00:01] I'm not terribly interested in recording shows off cable, mainly I'm going to scan in a couple hundred DVDs I have. However, I would like a remote control and I would also like to be able to use another DVR on the same machine. [00:01] Suggestions? [00:03] a remote control? I'd say your local dealer or chinese sites such as dealextreme.com [00:03] [dealextreme.com] DealExtreme: Cool Gadgets at the Right Price - Site-Wide Free Shipping (Page 1) [00:03] or buy a dvb-? card whom includes a remote [00:03] puff, another DVR? [00:03] mceusb remotes are pretty well supported [00:12] I've stopped usin a acctual remote tho [00:12] I use my android phone [00:12] Works like a charm [00:15] jolaren: Hm, good point. [00:15] tgm4883: Any brand you recommend? [00:15] * tgm4883 shrugs [00:15] !mceusb [00:15] Sorry I don't know about mceusb [00:15] !mceusb2 [00:15] http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote [00:15] Any of those should work [00:16] I have the one 3rd from the left [00:16] actually, I have four of them [00:16] tgm4883: Re: another DVR, yeah, the comcast DVR has certs to decrypt thef "premium" content... I don't watch much non-premium content [00:17] you need an hddvr then [00:17] or possibly mythnetvision [00:17] Whuzzat? [00:17] google [00:17] * tgm4883 is working :( [00:17] Ah, okay... [00:17] puff: I can try to find my remote that I've bought of dx [00:18] Well, anything that doesn't have the comcast certs to decrypt isn't going to do me much good. [00:18] puff, does your comcast box have component out? [00:18] tgm4883: Good question, dunno. I can' get a straight answer out of comcast. [00:19] do you have the box? [00:19] tgm4883: Oh wait, you mean does it have red/yellow/white? [00:19] no [00:19] red green blue [00:19] component, not composite [00:19] tgm4883: Are you talking the HD set-top or the comcast DVR? Haven't ordered the DVR yet. [00:19] hd set-top box I guess [00:20] Yeah, I have the HD set-top... [00:20] puff, does it have red/green/blue out? [00:20] (component) [00:21] the HD-PVR records component [00:21] AFAIK, it is the only device that does [00:22] I have a scientific atlantic HD set top, so according to what my notes say comcast said, they would be giving me a sceintific atlantic DVR or a Cisco DVR [00:22] what about your current box? [00:22] you might not need the DVR [00:23] Ah... hang on a few minutes, I'll go down to the TV room. [00:23] if you do go with the DVR route, you won't be getting that into the mythbox [00:23] I wouldn'tmind doing that, but I wasn't expecting to. [00:23] I think foxbuntu has one [00:23] I just figured I should make sure I wouldn't have a problem where I have two devices and only one HDMI port. [00:24] What I'd *really* like would be for comcast to stop encrypting the signal I pay for, but I don't expect them to. [00:25] yea that would be nice [00:25] pipe dreams :( [00:25] Gonnaidle for a bit to move down to the TV room, back in 5 or 10. [00:48] Okay, so looking at the back, yeh, it has both compoent out and video out. [01:37] hi guys, i'm using 10.04, and i have a problem, the apache server doesnt seem to start automatically like it should, so i cant access mythweb and the like [01:37] is there a script or program i could add to the session settings so it starts up automatically? [01:38] the command im currently using to start it manually uses sudo thoug [01:38] *though [01:50] does anyone else have constant problems with the autobuild repos giving 404 (not found) errors for packages? [01:52] Failed to fetch http://us.autobuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu/0.23/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mythtv/mythtv-backend-master_0.23.0+fixes24509-0ubuntu0+mythbuntu1_all.deb 404 Not Found (yet I've done apt-get update several times) [01:52] the mirror appears to have 24542 though [02:22] i am still running 9.04 but would anyone know why i have a 'events/1' taking 11-25% of my cpu? [02:22] how do i track down what that is? [02:25] tgm4883: http://darksleep.com/puff/dvr/ [02:25] [darksleep.com] [03:09] I upgraded from 8.10 to 10.10 and my PVR150 ir reciever is no longer working any one have any info on getting that to work. I am not looking for blaster support I am looking for receiver support. === bogus is now known as Guest64078 [06:09] Anyone able to get lirc_i2c to work? [08:41] does anyone know how I can permantly set things such the video-scan method? and the audio delay ? [08:43] any ideas on how to fix this failed to reinitialize video output i'm running 10.04 btw [08:43] Thanks [14:06] !help [14:06] !help For a complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number]. [14:08] anyone got the ´hophog´ wintv-hvr-1600 to work with mythbuntu straight out of the box? ive tried setting up the backend and scanning channels with cable selected and no channels found. Is there updates to the mythbuntu new release or anything that this card can work? [14:10] also is Scheduling Direct necessary ¨hence 20$/yr¨ ;( or is there some way to get free listings per area? [14:12] munson: SD is, by FAR, the easiest way to get listings in the USA. The amount of trouble for scraping is generally viewed as worth much more than the $20/yr [14:12] oh [14:12] still no go on the channel scanning tho [14:12] I think non-US use xml sources. [14:13] im not sittin next to my tv at the moment but worked on it for hours this morning and nada, wondering if i need to update or d/l somethin to make it work or some dvb-v4l i read about or somethin [14:15] so i closed the backend and updated the machine and rebooted and still not revieving any channels when i know cable works [14:17] You know it works because it works because you either can see some channels without the cable box, or you can get it to work with other programs besides myth? [14:19] i plug coax cable straight to tv i meant the cable works fine but plugging into the cable into the card the analog side or the qam clear side neither pick up any channels or nada...maybe due to video sources settings i not sure [14:20] munson: first step is to get *something* working outside of myth. This lets you know that the drivers are working [14:21] such as what program outside of myth [14:25] munson: I believe there are a number of other programs (vlc, maybe me-tv, and many others). Or even just cat /dev/video_device_name > videofile.mpg and then play the mpg file [14:26] tvtime [14:26] tvtime [14:26] kk iĺl check into that [14:26] munson, http://tvtime.sourceforge.net/ [14:26] [tvtime.sourceforge.net] tvtime: High quality video for Linux [14:27] been readin up on sites and looks like i may have to compile somethin into the kernel for this hvr-1600 [14:28] no clue. There has been a lot of churn on devices and firmware and stuff. We should really have a chart/table on the mythbuntu wiki which shows which cards have been used successfully with each version. [14:29] ya which version lol thatd be nice cuz i noticed on the hardware wiki that this card is supported [14:32] munson, I wouldnt bother tryign to use it on .21 .22 stick with .23 since there is "tons" of fixes in .23 and some nice new features. [14:33] well i d/l the latest from website so i imagine that uses the .23 [14:33] 10.04? [14:34] ya i think it was 10.0? [14:34] .0 somethin [14:34] munson: there are a bunch of bug fixes beyond that, available in auto-builds, which we encourage everyone to enable. Just type !auto-builds [14:34] !auto-builds [14:34] Auto builds contain more recent bug fixes than the normal Ubuntu repository contains. See http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds for more info. [14:34] Not tuner fixes per se, but other mythtv related fixes that you'll want. [14:35] crash fixes. [14:35] iĺl check into that [14:35] its very easy to enable. =) [14:35] ya noticed crashed once while in backend [14:35] ya just enable that in the repos list right [14:35] Yeah, super easy in MCC [14:36] or run the .deb from the webpage. [14:36] pick your poison. ;) [14:38] ya goin thru the mcc i was in remote section and damn didnt see my hoppog 1600 in there ;( [14:38] munson: Please watch your language. [14:38] oops [14:39] heh [14:39] which remote is not my worry right now lol, i have to get the channels in there first [14:40] im takin half day off from school to work on it, just another project im workin on for class project [14:58] munson, my remote isnt listed either....I by-passed the remote setup in the mcc. I am using a modified xbox dvd remote kit. [14:59] oh i never purchased an xbox remote lol [14:59] im reading now that the remote will work with new patch someone has [16:02] howdy folks [16:03] hey. [16:03] hey, i need someone to help me check if my card is working [16:03] i don;t know if i set it up correct [16:04] it gets auto detected [16:04] Have you made sure the card works outside of myth? [16:05] mrand: this is my 2nd out of the box card [16:05] mrand: but to answer your question, no i have not testing in windows [16:06] I mean testing it in Linux, actually. There are a number of other programs (vlc, tvtime, maybe me-tv, and many others). Or even just cat /dev/video_device_name > videofile.mpg and then play the mpg file [16:07] mrand: i have video0 video24 video32 in my /dev/ [16:07] so which one or just try them all [16:08] mrand: how do i stop 'cat /dev/video_device_name > videofile.mpg' from capturing [16:08] just ^c [16:12] yep ^c [16:13] cool [16:14] As for the device name, I have no clue. But that is yet another good reason to do this outside of myth. Much easier and faster to figure it out. Depending on your setup, you may need to manually change the channel. Not sure how, but a bit of googling should turn something up (maybe "command line channel change linux"?) [16:14] mrand: just a sec , am remote 'ing to my mythbuntu from work [16:22] I don't have any experience with it, but you may also need to eventually set up udev rules (I think that's what is called) to nail down tuner names. In some situations, tuners can change names on each bootup. [16:25] mrand: udev?! where can i read about it [16:30] I'd personally start just by searching the mythtv-users mailing list and/or mythbuntu forums for udev+tuner , or something like that. [16:46] mrand: it is working [16:47] using to 'cat /dev/video0 i was able to capture life from my card :) [16:47] no voice yet , i wonder why [16:53] that's probably because you have a v4l card and you need to capture the sound separately. [17:29] chiluk: thats probably why, now my issue is why when i hit "watch TV" my front end display "Please wait..." then goes right back at the menu... [17:30] i also can't watch what i recorded! [17:30] check /var/log/mythtvbackend.log [17:30] or whatever the backend log is. [17:31] that might give you some more info as to what's exactly going on. [17:31] check for what [17:31] an error. [17:31] search "error" [17:31] or ERROR [17:31] if there isn't an error in the backend log look at the frontend lgo. [17:34] all errors [17:45] !pastebin | Mcl0vin [17:45] Mcl0vin: when pasting more than 5 lines of data please use http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com so you don't flood the channel. Then please post the link in the channel. [17:45] post your log [17:50] tgm4883: am trying to pastebinit but its not working for me [17:50] Mcl0vin, what command are you using? [17:51] 'pastebinit -b http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/ < /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log | grep Error [17:52] or should it be 'cat /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log | grep Error | pastebinit -b http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com [17:52] cat /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log | pastebinit -b http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com [17:52] probably that [17:52] don't grep error [17:54] well it's not showing my nick in that site [17:54] sec [17:55] Mcl0vin, did it give you a link? [17:56] tgm4883: 'http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com [17:56] Mcl0vin, no, it should have returned a link to you [17:56] tgm4883: nope [17:56] that is the link that it returns [17:57] thomas@earth:~$ cat test.log | pastebinit [17:57] http://pastebin.com/Fh0fHT6K [17:57] remove the -b part [17:57] just do it straight pastebin [17:57] Mcl0vin, which release are you on? [17:58] does any one on the channel have any experience comcast and mythtv? [17:58] working together [17:58] tgm4883: 9.10 [17:58] Mcl0vin, try using the built in utility [17:59] !mlogg [17:59] Sorry I don't know about mlogg [17:59] !logs [17:59] MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/ You can use mythbuntu-log-grabber from the Applications menu to automatically post the most relevant logs to our pastebin. [17:59] tgm4883: i am ssh to my box from work :) [17:59] Mcl0vin, ah [18:00] cat test.log | pastebinit [18:00] tgm4883: instead of me troubleshooting OC48 am troubleshooting my mythbox [18:00] that works for me [18:00] let me try it [18:01] tgm4883: something wrong here at me end , it does return the main url [18:01] even with pastebinit [18:01] then pastebinit is possibly broke [18:01] copy the file to somewhere you can paste it [18:06] adent: I have Time Warner cable, which was formerly Comcast. I may be able to answer questions, depending on your setup. [18:06] Mcl0vin: cool. I used to design OC-192 and Ethernet over SONET transport gear. Now more focused on IP products. [18:08] mrand: I am in the planing stages, I am trying to figure out the best card to get . one that will work with the new digital format [18:09] adent: Currently there is almost no way around getting a cable box unless you only want local stations. A few areas have a few channels left unencrypted, but for the most part, everything is encrypted (hence the need for a cable box). You can capture the output of the cable box and feed it into Myth (HD-PVR if you're doing HD, or any number of analog capture devices if you're not running HD). [18:10] BTW, local stations are available in better quality over the air - so if that is all you care about, drop comcast. tons of people do just that ;-) [18:12] mrand: now we are in the route to LTE/SAE [18:13] mrand: thanks for the feedback, I would love to drop comcast ..but it is so dam convenient [18:13] adent: I'm in the same boat. [18:13] mrand: yeah i worked on those OC192 as well ....lucent by any chance [18:15] Mcl0vin: nope. Small company making full-featured *tiny* OC-192 ADM's. Base box was 2-RU, complete with 2 OC-192's and 16 OC-48's. [18:17] mrand: nice nice, yeah i work on 5ESS DCS [18:21] Most of our stuff was SONET level cross-connect. We rarely bothered with lower than DS1, although we made one 60G VT1.5 cross connect. [18:27] mrand: you use Tellabs [18:29] use Tellabs? No, we designed equipment, one piece of which Tellabs turned around and OEM'ed. [18:29] for your cross-connect ... [18:30] aha ...i work on Tellabs 532L "old" and the new one 5500 [18:30] We had built in STS and VT level cross connects [18:30] tgm4883: i didn't forget that log, i am fix the paste bin it script [18:32] mrand: i do this on a daily bases [18:36] Yeah, 5500 was decent competition for some of our boxes. [18:37] it is so easy thu once you get the hang of it [18:39] You haven't seen easy until you've seen the GUI we developed. It sadly got discontinued when another (larger) company bought us. [18:41] mrand: metrowatch :) [18:47] here is my log http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/bBnVFDFf [18:47] tgm4883: ^^ [18:50] look link 550 [18:50] *line [18:53] * Mcl0vin I have to see a man about a horse [18:54] Hi, i want to build my first MythTV media center and would like to ask a few questions before buying hardware, could any1 help me? [18:56] my main worry is i have cable TV, so i have a decoder connected to TV using SCART, how can i view the cable TV on the MythTV platform? [19:03] recsa: http://www.baablogic.net/drupal/node/13 [19:03] [www.baablogic.net] My MythTV Setup | www.baablogic.net [19:03] thats my setup, if you want to look at the hardware I'm using and ask any questions [19:05] rhpot1991: im checking it thx [19:10] Im reading your page, but still cant figure how to connect the cable TV deco to the capture card [19:11] i plan on buying HAUPPAUGE 4000HDTV [19:11] and my cable tv deco only has SCART output [19:13] recsa: link to that product? [19:13] I can't seem to find it [19:13] http://www.hauppauge.es/site/products/data_hvr4000.html [19:13] [www.hauppauge.es] Hauppauge Digital : WinTV-HVR-4000 [19:15] ah thats why, non US stuffs [19:15] http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-4000 [19:15] [www.mythtv.org] Hauppauge HVR-4000 - MythTV [19:15] claims it should work [19:19] Mcl0vin, this is your frontend log, we need your backend log [19:19] guess im a total noob, but should i connect the decoder to the capture card or directly the cable to the capture card? [19:20] tgm4883: 1 sec [19:20] recsa: not sure about your neck of the woods, but over here most of the time you have to run through the cable providers STB to get things, and record after that [19:20] antennas, etc are the exception [19:21] recsa: where are you located at? [19:22] tgm4883: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/21yZd9L9 [19:22] Spain [19:24] Its the usual cable tv provider [19:24] so i have a coax cable connected to decoder and decoder connected to tv VIA scart [19:32] * Mcl0vin went to lunch , will be back in 1hr [19:32] recsa: your best bet is to find someone from spain to ask these questions to :) [19:33] you could try the mailing list if no one shows up in here or the forums [19:33] yep i will try that, thx [19:33] one general question [19:34] go on [19:34] that capture card i show you says has quad capture capabilities, do that means i can view one channel while saving on disk another? [19:36] dam rust english skills .... saving on disk = recording :P [19:36] i mean, will i be able to live view and record different channels at same time? [19:37] recsa: the general rule is you can record once per tuner [19:37] and think of live view as recording and watching immediately [19:38] and that Hauppauge_HVR-4000 has more than one tunner? [19:38] I can't seem to figure it out [19:38] I don't see it saying that, but it has multiple inputs [19:39] seems to imply its just a single tuner that can handle those 4 modes [19:39] it says Quad HD TV Tunner [19:39] i guess it can [19:40] if so, do i need 2 sound cards (1 assuming main board has 1) [19:41] "Quad-mode" [19:41] and you should only need one sound card, sound capture should be handled by the tuner and you should only need a sound card for output [19:41] great [19:42] thx a lot for your time [19:42] recsa: sure no problem, good luck [19:54] recsa... make sure the hvr-4000 is supported by the kernel before buying. [19:55] my hvr-2250 is only now getting mainline Ubuntu kernel support... and I've had it for almost 1.5 years. [19:56] chiluk: mmm i havent found it on LinuxTV compatible cards but i had assume that all Hauppage cards were supported :( [19:57] that is a bad assumption. [19:58] it's likely that they all will be supported. [19:58] but that's the nature of open source. [19:58] initially they may not be. [19:58] yep at some point in the future [20:00] in case that card is not fully supported by latest kernel ... what will hapen? [20:00] it won't work. [20:00] I don't even see the hvr-4000 on hauppauge's site. [20:00] recsa, cats and dogs living together...Mass hysteria.... [20:00] =) [20:01] xdddd [20:01] is that a eurpoean card? [20:01] you dont see it because its only europe product [20:02] hah... [20:02] yep [20:02] yeah well if i were you I'd definitely check on the support before purchasing. [20:02] I've been burned too many times by cool hardware that didn't yet have drivers. [20:03] also it looks like it's a quad-mode tuner. [20:04] typically that means that it will do only one of DVB-S2, DVB-S, ATSC, PAL *? at any one point in time. [20:05] well it looks like an old enough card.. it's likely to have drivers. [20:05] I thought it was a follow-on to the american hvr-2250. [20:05] I was mistaken. [20:06] Mcl0vin, couple things [20:06] Channel(/dev/video0) Warning: You have not set an external channel changing [20:06] script for a composite or s-video input. Channel changing will do nothing. [20:06] you had some other errors earlier, but they seem to have cleared up [20:07] tgm4883: what tuner? [20:07] rhpot1991, IDK [20:07] Mcl0vin, ^ [20:08] the prob is my delaer doesnt have old hardware, i will check on local forums for tested hardware available to buy here [20:08] thx a lot for the advice i will definitively not buy that card is not listed anywhere as tested [20:09] recsa: that card may be supported, you should search around and see [20:09] check the mailing list and forums, all you really need to find is one person who is using it to get a good idea [20:09] google has no clue about that card comatibility [20:11] wiki indicates it should work but support may not be built into the kernel by default [20:12] by default ... [20:13] if that means i should compile kernel or something like that ... im a low level linux user [20:15] http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/mythtvnz/293961 [20:15] [www.gossamer-threads.com] Update on HVR 4000 and Linux (and Mythtv) | MythTV | Mythtvnz [20:15] mmm some light on the dark [20:16] yayyyyy It is supported under Linux since kernel 2.6.28. [20:25] tgm4883: sorry i was out, my tunes is WinTV-HVR-1600 [20:25] tgm4883: and what is the external channel [20:26] Mcl0vin, what do you have feeding your HVR-1600? [20:26] coax? composite? svideo? [20:28] tgm4883: ok my setup is like this: [wall -> "coax"] to [cable receiver]...from [cable recevier->s-vide] to my mythbuntu [20:28] Mcl0vin, and you didn't set up an external channel changer? [20:28] That is probably the issue [20:29] tgm4883: what is a channel changer? are you taking about the hvr-1600 remote? because i still couldn't figure out how to set it up [20:30] Mcl0vin, no, it's what changes the channels on the cable box [20:30] how else do you expect mythbuntu to be able to change the channel [20:31] tgm4883: i thought it will change when i setup the tuner remote :( [20:31] Mcl0vin, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Ivtv_Channel_changer [20:31] [www.mythtv.org] Ivtv Channel changer - MythTV [20:31] * Mcl0vin reading the above link [20:35] he is gonna need to blast for that I think [20:35] Mcl0vin: ^ [20:35] Mcl0vin: unless your STB has firewire, you can use that for tuning [20:36] STB? [20:37] set top box, or receiver as you put it [20:38] rhpot1991: recevier...do you mean my OEM cable receiver [20:40] yes [20:48] AKA, STB [20:49] rhpot1991: so i will use the ir-receiver and blaster that came with my wintv-hvr-1600 tuner card! do you have a link on how i can set this up please [20:54] Mcl0vin: no idea, I've never blasted [20:55] so how are you controling your box "mythbuntu" [20:55] i thought you need the tuner remote to control everything [21:02] My cable box has a serial port, so I use serial. It stopped working for a little while, so I tried out blasting and got it working easily... as I recall, I simply used MCC to enable it. [21:04] my remote controls my mythbuntu box [21:04] and that controls the STBs via firewire === dacs is now known as mcl0vin [21:35] am back === Mcl0vin_ is now known as Mcl0vin [21:40] rhpot1991: what cable company are you on? [21:43] comcast [21:47] rhpot1991: you see, reading solves most problems XD, the answers you and tgm gave to Mclovin solves my first question, what i was calling "decoder" is what you call STB, so answering myself, yes i have to connect my STB to the card, guess i will have to use an SCART to s-video cable [21:48] and since my STB has no firewire or seril port i will have to blast it ... what ever it means XDDD [21:49] What's XDDD/ [21:50] mrand: I think its some sort of smiley face [21:50] recsa: blasting is IR blasting, you have a device which emulates a remote control [21:51] You place the IR (infra-red) transmitter right in front of the receiver on the STB. [21:51] Most people tape it to the front of the STB, actually. [21:52] Many tuners come with it. [21:53] tuners comes with IR transmiters? [21:53] guess it will be not too hard to find [21:54] the hard part will be to find my STB IR commands [21:55] Maybe, maybe not. As long as it is not a new one, it's likely been solved by someone else on the Internet. [21:56] my STB is anything but new [21:57] i will check it [21:58] i still think the neat solution would be to trash the STB and plug the coaxial directly to the Mythbuntu [21:58] recsa: forgot the coax... over the air (OTA) has better quality if you are within range. [21:58] recsa: you can do that with an antenna [21:58] jinks [21:59] might be able to do it with freesat or something over there, dunno about your technologies [21:59] cable companies recompress [21:59] i will for DVB, but i have paid TV by cable [21:59] recsa: we also have some unencrytped channels on our cable over here, but only the locals [21:59] many channels that cant be seen by air [21:59] gotcha [21:59] mrand: tell me about it, I have terrible ghosting on my nbc [21:59] and comcast claims its coming right from nbc [22:00] right [22:00] (that was sarcastic) [22:00] heh [22:00] I made a stink about it during my internet connection days [22:00] issues that is [22:01] documented every internet connection and made them still images of the ghosting [22:01] to which I was told "that computer monitor can't display HD TV thats why it looks like that" [22:02] the tech didn't like my response of "do you even know what a LCD TV is then?" [22:04] heh. Next time, just say that it looks like crap when fed directly into your LCD TV. Course, then they'll just blame the TV. [22:04] rhpot1991: any trouble getting a firewire enabled STB? TWC isn't very helpful with that end of things. [22:05] that SiliconDust HDHomeRun Dual Tuner from your setup (BTW amazing one) ... what the hell is? looks like it has 2 tunner inputs and just an ethernet output ... do that means Myth can connect to ethernet stremas as if they were regular video inputs? [22:05] recsa: Please watch your language. [22:07] sorry Zinn XDDD didnt want to be mean [22:07] Hi recsa, something I can help you with today? I am a bot, use !help to see what I can do. [22:08] mrand: yep they blamed the TV, then I said look its on everything, burned a DVD and shipped it to them, they finally admited it was a mpeg compression issue then [22:08] sabhain: nope I just got them, had a heck of a time getting the model I wanted though, they treat you like a terrorist when you ask for a specific model [22:09] recsa: its a dual tuner that sits on your network, not sure if there is a european one available [22:09] myth treats it as 2 tuners [22:09] awesome [22:11] I believe they have an Australian model, dunno that would help you very much [22:12] Yeah, the have DVB-T, but I guess europe is changing to -T2 and -S, which are currently unsupported. [22:13] the have=silicon dust has [22:13] And that is already stretching my knowledge of DVB. [22:17] here in Spain we just closed all analog air transmissions, we can only get OTA DVB now, but no idea if it is -T, -T2 or -XYZ [22:22] yep theres an european version ... i should consider this, so i dont need to look for a main board with many PCI slots [22:25] * sabhain loves his HDHR and hopes they find a way to make the CableCard version myth friendly. [22:25]