[00:14] <elky> Pfft, it's not like he should be jetlagged or anything
[01:59] <txwikinger> maybe not him, but a lot of other people are
[02:08] <h00k> jussi: tell everyone h00k from the Internet says hi!
[02:10] <funkyHat> Liar, you're not from the internet
[02:11] <h00k> funkyHat: well, maybe they'll be more accepting from a stranger that claims that, anyway.
[03:15] <Flannel> IRC mailing list brings up some good points.  We should just move all lucid support to -lucid, so the releases with buttons on the right (the bulk of them) can still get support without any overhead.
[03:16] <genii> the LTS thread?
[03:16] <Flannel> genii: Yeah
[03:20] <IdleOne> i don't think #ubuntu can handle more redirecting. it will turn into a waiting room of sorts. User: long well thought out question Helper: oh wait you need to join -lucid
[03:20] <maco> for when an LTS becomes the *previous* LTS i think it makes sense
[03:21] <Flannel> IdleOne: That was sarcasm.  I don't think we need one for -lts either, I've seen plenty of LTS support (hardy, dapper) in #ubuntu, as well as all the other releases.
[03:21] <maco> like lucid is the current one so whatever keep it in #ubuntu, but hardy... pffft um... that one had er...it maybe had a FUSA? or maybe not? and um it had policykit...i think? and er...no software center...
[03:21] <Flannel> Yeah, stuff changes, there's plenty of resources out there for the helpers to refresh their memory when needed.
[03:21] <IdleOne> Flannel: oh hehe, didn't catch the sarcasm :)
[03:22] <Flannel> Just like *I* google for things when I don't know them while helping someone.  Just because I don
[03:22] <Flannel> blah
[03:22] <Flannel> Just like *I* google for things when I don't know them while helping someone.  Just because I don't know foo doesn't mean I can't help with it.  Likewise, just because I didn't use foo-in-hardy doesn't mean I can't help with it.
[03:24] <Flannel> maco: With regard to internals that may be more difficult to find on your own, you can always ask the helpee questions that help the helper help.
[03:25] <maco> though im actually odd on this one. i cant help people using anything more recent than hardy as it was the last gnome release i used
[03:25] <maco> and im pretty sure that yes to fusa and policykit
[03:25] <maco> i often end up going "bah! it was there last time i used this ....where did they go and move it...grrr..."
[03:39] <IdleOne> can we add the alias !drugs to !sex factoid please
[03:42] <Flannel> !drugs
[03:42] <Flannel> IdleOne: for the record, that's an alias, so you don't need to type it all out ;)
[03:42] <IdleOne> :P
[03:43] <IdleOne> I used the magic of ctrl-c and ctrl-v
[03:43] <IdleOne> :P
[03:43] <IdleOne> and thank you for adding it
[04:06]  * myrl will be right back.
[04:08]  * myrl is back.
[04:10] <Flannel> myrl: Do you know why you were banned in -ot?
[04:10] <myrl> i think i do
[04:10] <myrl> i was saying random stuff
[04:11] <myrl> but i didnt know it was bad...
[04:11] <Flannel> Thats more or less accurate.
[04:12] <myrl> yes.....
[04:12] <Flannel> myrl: Why didn't the assortment of people asking you to stop inform you that it was frowned upon?
[04:12] <myrl> well i dont really know....
[04:12] <myrl> but ive learned my lesson now
[04:13] <myrl> ive been banned for about a month and now i plead to be unbanned
[04:13] <Flannel> myrl: Alright.  You understand that we don't have these channels so that you can make noise, right?  They're for actual conversations and participation and stuff.
[04:13] <myrl> yes
[04:14] <Flannel> myrl: Good.  Will you please take some time now and read our IRC guidelines, that way we won't have any of these misunderstandings in the future.
[04:14] <myrl> sure
[04:14] <Flannel> It shouldn't take very long: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines
[04:14] <myrl> ok thanks
[04:15] <Flannel> myrl: Let me know when you're finished and you understand them, take as long as you'd like.  And feel free to ask questions if you have any points of confusion or need clarification
[04:15] <myrl> :) sure
[04:17] <myrl> ok ive read them. they seem pretty simple: dont do annoying things ;)
[04:17] <IdleOne> on top of be polite, don't discuss illegal activities and try not to be a jerk.
[04:17] <IdleOne> :)
[04:18] <myrl> :) yea
[04:18] <myrl> of course
[04:19] <Flannel> myrl: Sounds good.  I've removed your ban in -ot, please join and speak so I can verify that I've done it properly.  I look forward to having you as a member of that channel.
[04:20] <myrl> :) thank you so much
[04:20] <myrl> um it says that i still cannot join
[04:20] <Flannel> #ubuntu-offtopic?
[04:20] <Flannel> alright, let me look
[04:20] <myrl> yes
[04:21] <Flannel> myrl: Alright, try again.
[04:21] <myrl> ;)
[04:21] <myrl> cool now i can
[04:22] <IdleOne> what one little letter can do
[04:22] <Flannel> myrl: Right, I forgot a letter previously.
[04:22] <Flannel> IdleOne: I'm not sure how copy/paste meant I lost a letter, but whatever.
[04:22] <myrl> lol
[04:22] <Flannel> myrl: Is there anything else I can do for you tonight?
[04:22] <IdleOne> Flannel: happens
[04:22] <myrl> no im fine
[04:22] <myrl> thanks!!
[04:22] <myrl> bye
[04:22] <Flannel> Bye myrl
[04:23]  * myrl waves
[04:34] <h00k> I don't find this very friendly: AllYourBases (soulforge@my.nuts.weigh.40oz.co.uk)
[04:36] <IdleOne> maybe they sell nuts for a living?
[05:57] <mneptok> dark stellar matter would use like .00000000000003 of a molecule to weigh 40oz.
[05:57] <mneptok> so the vanity domain really tells us nothing except "you should probably wear a truss."
[08:17] <Flannel> I'm curious as to why he came back as Jamz
[08:17] <Flannel> (over webchat)
[10:32] <jetienne> the bot "!controls" suggest a kludge in a corner to get back the theme. while installing a real theme seems much cleaner and possible "http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9204643" here describe how to do it. could you modify the bot command to point to a doc on theme installation instead ?
[10:39] <ikonia> lets see
[10:39] <ikonia> !controls
[10:42] <ikonia> sorry that forum post is just how to install a theme
[10:42] <ikonia> I don't see how that's a fix, that's just installing a different theme
[10:44] <jetienne_> ikonia: still cleaner that gconf right ?
[10:45] <jetienne_> ikonia: and modifying the line in the bot, is no work at all
[10:56] <jetienne_> ikonia: ?
[10:57] <ikonia> no
[10:57] <ikonia> it's not cleaner
[10:57] <ikonia> its just applying a different theme
[10:57] <ikonia> the gconf tweak actually changes the configuration correctly
[10:58] <jetienne_> ikonia: what about adding the link as opssible alternative in the bot message ?
[10:59] <ikonia> because it's not an alternative or fix
[10:59] <ikonia> it's just installing a theme, which is well covered in many other factoids to do with look and feel
[10:59] <jetienne_> ikonia: well this is what #ubuntu helper are giving to the user.
[11:00] <jetienne_> ikonia: this is just a few charateres in a string
[11:00] <ikonia> what is ?
[11:00] <jetienne_> ikonia: pointing the users to a solution which provide a alternative which may satisfy them
[11:00] <jetienne_> ikonia: it is all about user satisfactions, no ?
[11:00] <ikonia> it's not an alternative
[11:01] <ikonia> it's just installing a theme
[11:01] <ikonia> installing any theme you want is covered in the look and feel documentation, this is not a fix, this is telling someone to install a specific theme to fix something that is not a bug
[11:01] <jetienne_> an alternative theme
[11:01] <ikonia> installing themes is covered in the look and feel information
[11:01] <ikonia> !themes
[11:02] <Tm_T> jetienne_: alternative theme has nothing to do with windo controls
[11:02] <jetienne_> ikonia: but this is not what #ubuntu user are given
[11:02] <ikonia> jetienne_: then correct them
[11:02] <ikonia> offer better advice
[11:02] <jetienne_> ikonia: oh i got a possibility. what about adding " if you wish to change the theme, use the !themes command" ?
[11:03] <ikonia> no
[11:03] <jetienne_> ikonia: this is pointing to the proper documentation
[11:03] <ikonia> there is no need
[11:03] <ikonia> !themes points at the proper documentation
[11:03] <ikonia> oops
[11:03] <jetienne_> ikonia: yep but not the #ubuntu users
[11:03] <ikonia> then you point them at it
[11:03] <jetienne_> im trying to now
[11:04] <ikonia> you offer the better advice
[11:04] <ikonia> ok, it's simple "!themes | usersname"
[11:04] <ikonia> then tell them why, however, I don't feel installing themes is a "fix" for this at all
[11:05] <jetienne_> ikonia: lets not argue on the words. lets say "action which satisfy users" instead
[11:05] <Tm_T> jetienne_: you forget that ikonia is also an user (:
[11:05] <jetienne_> Tm_T: not the only one tho
[11:05] <Tm_T> sure
[11:05] <Tm_T> but I have to agree with him, changing theme has nothing to do with controls arrangement
[11:06] <Tm_T> they are two separate issues, and has to be dealt accordingly
[11:06] <jetienne_> Tm_T: yep but #ubuntu helpers got the bad habit to provide !controls to people willing to change back the themes
[11:06] <jetienne_> Tm_T: just trying to make it easy for ubuntu users to be satisfied
[11:06] <ikonia> "!controls" is the correct advice to give
[11:07] <ikonia> or use !themes to tell them to change the theme
[11:07] <jetienne_> ikonia: im just trying to make it easy to satisfy ubuntu user
[11:07] <Tm_T> jetienne_: then it's their mistake and has to be corrected, changing factoid for their bad habits just makes factoids to be something else than FACT-oids (:
[11:07] <ikonia> it's already easy
[11:08] <ikonia> there are two factoids for different uses, call the correct factoid depending on the users needs
[11:08] <jetienne_> Tm_T: adding "(if you wish to change the theme use !themes)" is a fact and a didactic one.
[11:08] <ikonia> changing the theme is not a fix
[11:08] <ikonia> so you're miss-leading pepole
[11:08] <ikonia> people
[11:08] <ikonia> offer the correct factoid depending on peoples needs
[11:08] <jetienne_> Tm_T: teaching user is important too
[11:08] <Tm_T> jetienne_: sure, but also irrelevant, as changing theme shouldn't affect the control arrangement
[11:08] <jetienne_> ikonia: i dont talk about fix but user satisfaction
[11:09] <ikonia> jetienne_: then you are wrong - you are miss-leading users information
[11:09] <ikonia> Tm_T: some do, as you can hardcode it into a theme
[11:09] <ikonia> Tm_T: but you're right - they shouldn't as it's not reall complient
[11:09] <Tm_T> ikonia: ...and that's also baad baad habit which shouldn't be supported
[11:09] <ikonia> Tm_T: agreed
[11:13] <jetienne__> and as you can imagine, i considere changing an habit of 20y for no apparent reason, is ... i dunno ... madness ? i dont get it. before it was large, easy to click button on the right, and now this is small, hard to click button on the left. I think at least reason should be given.marc "because we may add stuff on the right later" is not convincing to say the least.
[11:13] <jetienne__> sorry to repeat if you already got it. This was "for the record". and once again. thanks for listening to me
[11:14] <Tm_T> jetienne__: thank you for taking care of factoids, appreciate it
[11:17] <ikonia> input is always welcome
[12:57] <Tm_T> hi kikim, how can we help you?
[13:32] <Tm_T> jrib: you silly
[13:32] <jrib> Tm_T: I know, what did I do now?
[13:33] <Tm_T> jrib: in -meta
[13:46] <Tm_T> !ubotu
[13:48] <Tm_T> !msn
[13:48] <Tm_T> that's outdated ^
[13:48] <Pici> then fix it :P
[13:49] <Tm_T> I don't know about empathy
[13:50] <IdleOne> So this ubuntu video that is going around is this some sort of official 10.10 launch video?
[13:50] <IdleOne> s/launch/introduction
[13:55] <Mamarok> IdleOne: what video?
[13:56] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: do you have a link?
[13:56] <IdleOne> Mamarok: there is a video featuring a few people who have Ubuntu tattoos and a whole bunch of *buntu logos and such
[13:56] <IdleOne> gnomefreak: don't have a link I did save it to my computer though
[13:57] <IdleOne> let me see if I can post it somewhere real quick
[13:57] <gnomefreak> thanks
[14:00] <IdleOne> gonna take a little bit of time to upload
[14:03] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: take your time
[14:03] <h00k> NO GO NOW
[14:04] <IdleOne> err it looks like, ugh on youtube
[15:25] <jussi> IdleOne: its from Marks keynote
[15:25] <IdleOne> really
[15:25] <IdleOne> wow
[15:25] <IdleOne> cool
[15:25] <jussi> yup
[15:25] <IdleOne> i didn't see it
[15:26] <IdleOne> I mean I saw the video but WOW I got featured at UDS :) so I guess I did attend
[15:26] <IdleOne> the keynote I haven't seen that is
[15:29] <jussi> IdleOne: :D
[15:30] <IdleOne> man flash is acting stupid for me
[15:30] <IdleOne> not man flash
[15:30] <IdleOne> but oh, man :(
[15:34]  * IdleOne feels like a superstar
[17:23] <h00k> I don't find this appropriate:( 11:23 ::: signoff/#ubuntu tPl0ch (Quit: My balls are itching, need a wash...)
[17:24] <gnomefreak> its not
[17:33] <IdleOne> and way tmi
[17:33] <maco> ew
[18:45] <Newb`s> bonjour
[18:45] <Newb`s> je voudrais me plaindre concernant l'agissement d'un utilisateur
[18:45] <Newb`s> qui s'est amusé à balancer des données personnelles me concernant sur offtopic
[18:46] <Newb`s> de 19:30 à 19:35/38 environ, son pseudonyme est nosco
[18:47] <Newb`s> oops, sorry, forgot the -fr in the channel name
[18:47] <Newb`s> :(
[18:47] <Pici> behind me?!
[21:05] <erUSUL> nevermind that last thing. brain fart in my part. sorry for the noise.
[23:27] <erUSUL> can someone take a look to shuttleworth in #ubuntu ....
[23:27] <erUSUL> anyone*
[23:29] <h00k> sure
[23:30] <erUSUL> tyvm
[23:30] <erUSUL> night all
[23:30] <h00k> aaand too late.