[00:27] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, what do you mean they added klingon language support?
[00:32] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: http://rbtcollins.wordpress.com/2010/02/06/adding-new-languages-to-ubuntu/
[00:34] <bjsnider> um
[00:35] <bjsnider> at least they're not wasting time creating solutions-in-search-of-problems
[05:33] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: it would be nice if you managed to persuade him either to maintain the package or drop the changes :)
[05:48] <Bernardo> hi
[08:51] <lucazade> hi
[09:05] <bryceh> Sarvatt, you around?
[09:14] <lucazade> Bernardo ping
[09:52] <outlaw45> hi...
[09:55] <outlaw45> anyone still working on GMA500?
[10:00] <lucazade> hi
[10:02] <lucazade> outlaw45
[10:04] <outlaw45> hi
[10:04] <outlaw45> I'm at work at the moment, so reacting might be at bit slow now and then ;)
[10:05] <lucazade> me too.. so np
[10:06] <lucazade> have you seen bugs report on google code?
[10:07] <lucazade> there are all the remaining bugs
[10:10] <lucazade> brb
[10:10] <outlaw45> added a workaround to the forum for buf 17
[10:10] <outlaw45> bug..
[10:10] <outlaw45> just added a link to the bug report
[10:25] <outlaw45> @lucazade: added a workaround to the forum for bug 17, also linked it in the bug report
[10:26] <outlaw45> I believe we have to concentrate on bug 16, if we fix that we can check if the other bugs still exists
[10:29] <lucazade1> outlaw45... you are right.. we should fix that bug although it's a pain in the ass
[10:30] <outlaw45> the backtrace you added to the report, is that the same I posted here a few days ago?
[10:31] <outlaw45> I think we need the expertice from the people on this channel to debug this..
[10:31] <lucazade1> similar but not the same... some rows missing like "miDoCopy" 
[10:31] <outlaw45> I read something from bernardo about gdb (?) but I'm not familiar with it...
[10:32] <outlaw45> ok.. I'll try to look at it tonight
[10:32] <lucazade1> neither do i
[10:33] <lucazade1> btw let's try to fix what we know like blacklisting modules (vga16fb, i915) and adding indicator to deb packages
[10:35] <lucazade1> also investigate on acpi errors that break battery status and brightness hotkeys
[10:35] <outlaw45> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Xorg/Debugging, at the section about KMS-related issues
[10:35] <lucazade1> dkms is broken as well
[10:35] <outlaw45> they mention the boot parameter 'drm.debug=15'
[10:36] <outlaw45> if you reinstall the kernel module?
[10:36] <outlaw45> it installed fine at my system yesterday, but that was a fresh install
[10:36] <lucazade1> on a kernel upgrade the kernel module is not be compiled
[10:42] <outlaw45> owh ok..
[10:43] <outlaw45> I'll first updated the kernel and then ran the script :p
[10:43] <outlaw45> gladly..
[10:51] <lucazade1> brb
[12:17] <outlaw45> have to go to a meeting
[12:18] <outlaw45> be back when I can ;)
[12:30] <Pelo> morning folks , anyone around ?
[12:31] <Pelo> I'M running ubuntu 10-04 on a  intel core i5 650 with an integrated gpu (clarksdale)
[12:32] <Pelo> I can't use compiz and video playback is choppy when I move other windows around regardless of the quality of the video 
[12:32] <Pelo> oddly enough, I have none of these problem if I run 10.04 as a live session ( from the cd ) 
[12:33] <Pelo> compiz works fine , and video works great 
[12:33] <Pelo> ... 
[12:33] <Pelo> how can I install the driver from the live cd and use that instead of what I'm guessing is the intel driver 
[12:43] <Pelo> back later 
 I'M running ubuntu 10-04 on a  intel core i5 650 with an integrated gpu (clarksdale)
 I can't use compiz and video playback is choppy when I move other windows around regardless of the quality of the video 
 oddly enough, I have none of these problem if I run 10.04 as a live session ( from the cd ) 
 compiz works fine , and video works great 
 how can I install the driver from the live cd and use that instead of what I'm guessing is the intel driver 
[13:08] <jcristau> Pelo: the live cd uses the same software.
[13:09] <Pelo> jcristau, then explain why I can use compiz and non choppy vid on the live cd but not once i've installed 
[13:10] <jcristau> i forgot my crystal ball at home this morning, sorry
[13:11] <Pelo> you have to admit it's damn odd 
[13:12] <Pelo> I'm gonna clean install again later and see what is up 
[13:12] <tjaalton> did you happen to install nvidia/fglrx on it?
[13:12] <jcristau> hey timo
[13:12] <Pelo> tjaalton, not that I know of, this is a bran new computer 
[13:12] <tjaalton> hi jcristau, long time no see
[13:13] <Pelo> I had to over write a i386 install in order to install amd64 
[13:14] <tjaalton> Pelo: /var/log/Xorg.0.log would confirm, or 'glxinfo |grep vendor'
[13:14] <Pelo> server glx vendor string: SGI
[13:14] <Pelo> client glx vendor string: Mesa Project and SGI
[13:14] <Pelo> OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc
[13:14] <tjaalton> ok, so it's probably using vesa
[13:14] <tjaalton> the logfile then
[13:15] <tjaalton> use pastebin
[13:15] <Pelo> looking in synaptic I havd fglrx-modaliases installed and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 
[13:16] <tjaalton> those are harmless
[13:16] <Pelo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/431642/
[13:17] <Pelo> I also made a copy of the xorg.0.log file from the live cd session if you are interested 
[13:18] <Pelo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/431645/
[13:18] <tjaalton> eh
[13:19] <tjaalton> X.Org X Server 1.8.0.902 (1.8.1 RC 2)
[13:19] <Pelo> yes ?
[13:19] <tjaalton> where did you get that from?
[13:19] <tjaalton> oh, xorg-edgers of course
[13:19] <Pelo> got the 2.6.34 .... rc7 kernel and the xorg-edger stuff
[13:20] <Pelo> trying to fix the issue 
[13:20] <jcristau> lolz
[13:20] <tjaalton> well it's hard to debug
[13:20] <tjaalton> since it's not what you installed from the cd
[13:20] <jcristau> "i installed random packages from random stuff, and now stuff doesn't work"
[13:20] <jcristau> s/stuff/places/
[13:21] <Pelo> jcristau, didn't work to start with, if it had I would have had no reason to install the random stuff
[13:21] <Pelo> like I said earlier, I'll clean install and compare
[13:23] <Pelo> I'll be back when I have a clean install to compare to ,  thanks 
[15:24] <tseliot> Sarvatt: did you have a look at mandriva's psb packages?
[15:24] <tseliot> they renamed libdrm
[15:26] <tjaalton> and now they are for sale.. coincidence? :)
[15:27] <tseliot> hehehe
[15:27] <tseliot> the poulsbo curse
[15:27] <Dr_Jakob> That is actually a bit scary you know.
[16:12] <Sarvatt> tseliot: yeah - https://edge.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/psb/+packages
[16:14] <tseliot> Sarvatt: ah, so there are no diversions, right?
[16:14] <Sarvatt> yup installs alongside libdrm fine
[16:14] <tseliot> Sarvatt: what's left to do?
[16:14] <Sarvatt> xpsb-glx
[16:14] <Sarvatt> why did you have it build mesa?
[16:15] <tseliot> ah, those blobs
[16:15] <tseliot> I did what?
[16:16] <Sarvatt> yeah, it's building libGL for some reason I can't understand
[16:16] <Sarvatt> in the changelog you had it start building mesa in the latest update back in jaunty
[16:17] <tseliot> in the log of xpsb-glx?
[16:17] <Sarvatt> yeah
[16:17] <tseliot> weird, is this from my PPA?
[16:18] <Sarvatt> it works fine with the system mesa from what I can see when I messed with someone elses system, I dont know why its building its own mesa and not sure if I should just drop it because converting it over to alternatives is a lot more work
[16:18] <tseliot> * debian/rules:     - Build libGl.so*
[16:18] <tseliot> hmm...
[16:19] <tseliot> I guess my brain removed that part of my life from memory
[16:19] <excalibas> Hello, I have a very strange problem, I have an evil VIA k8m890ce/k8n890ce (onboard) card that have lots of problems (mouse pointer is a square of pixels and openoffice menu dont show). Now I plugged an Nvidia card but still use the onboard vga plug and the picture looks nice
[16:19] <Sarvatt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/431722/
[16:20] <excalibas> Can someone explain why this happens please and how can I do this widouth the nvidia card (I have 2 more computers like this and only one nvidia...)
[16:21] <tseliot> excalibas: it's hard to tell without your /var/log/Xorg.0.log . Maybe you're using nouveau
[16:22] <tseliot> Sarvatt: I'm getting the code to see what I did
[16:25] <tseliot> Sarvatt: ok, I guess the answer is I don't know why I did it but it's definitely wrong. That package should just install the blobs
[16:25] <tseliot> also adding support for alternatives would be very easy to do
[16:30] <excalibas> tseliot, http://pastebin.com/cBLNV7cF my /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[16:31] <tseliot> excalibas: you're still using chrome
[16:31] <excalibas> tseliot, Is there a way to make this settings withouth the nvidia card?
[16:32] <excalibas> tseliot, I just pulgged the nvidia on the pci-e didnt install drivers 
[16:32] <tseliot> do you have a log without the nvidia card? (also dmesg would be useful)
[16:35] <excalibas> tseliot, I will give you this in a minute, dmesg is the output of dmesg right?
[16:35] <tseliot> yep
[16:40] <excalibas> http://silva.pastebin.com/GdJLuxH2
[16:40] <Sarvatt> ack they uploaded 2.6.34 to maverick now
[16:40] <Sarvatt> we need to update libdrm/nouveau ASAP since everyone using nouveau is broken now then...
[16:41] <excalibas> dmesg http://silva.pastebin.com/w1BCmz0F
[16:42] <Sarvatt> plus the blob doesn't work with 2.6.34 without patches so people on nvidia cards are really screwed :)
[16:43] <excalibas> tseliot, this is without nvidia
[16:46] <tseliot> ok
[16:46] <tseliot> oh 2.6.34
[16:48] <tseliot> Sarvatt: alternatives should be used in libdrm-poulsbo though, as they do in mandriva: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/431735/
[16:50] <Sarvatt> tseliot: I went the fedora route with libdrm-poulsbo because I do not see how relevant making alternatives for xserver's loaders in libdrm are
[16:50] <Sarvatt> they aren't making alternatives for libdrm, just xserver's files..
[16:51] <excalibas> I have tried Ubuntu 9.04 9.10 10.04 xubuntu, puredyne, fedora, mandriva and always have the same problem with the graphics (or worse) 
[16:51] <excalibas> tseliot, any idea what I can do?
[16:52] <ricotz> Sarvatt, hi, i am currently building 2.6.34-1.6 for lucid in my ppa. i will copy it to edgers when it's ready
[16:52] <Sarvatt> ricotz: no need, i'm copying it straight from maverick..
[16:53] <ricotz> Sarvatt, ok
[16:54] <tseliot> excalibas: I don't see any errors in the logs. Maybe the vga arbiter is doing something right when 2 cards are available but I'm just guessing here. I don't know the chrome driver
[16:55] <Sarvatt> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+copy-packages?field.name_filter=linux&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=maverick -- can copy packages straight on launchpad
[16:56] <tseliot> Sarvatt: right, their update-alternatives can create links even if the files don't exist yet
[16:56] <Sarvatt> tseliot: why do you need to create the links though?
[16:57] <excalibas> what if I put the nvidia card, genetate a xorg.conf and then remove the card, could it help?
[16:57] <Sarvatt> we already install the libs to /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/standard/
[16:58] <Sarvatt> err no we dont, we used to
[16:58] <Sarvatt> it uses the standard libdri/libglx though i dont see why it needs to do that
[17:00] <excalibas> we have 3 computers with this evil card. I try to convert ppl to Linux but then the mouse is a big square and I say "Oh its just a bug next updade will be cool" I say this for more than one year now and ppl still use winblows slow as hell but works...
[17:00] <tseliot> Sarvatt: I guess it doesn't need that then. An empty alternative file would be fine (as in the case of mesa)
[17:02] <tseliot> excalibas: I don't think a xorg.conf would help. I can understand your frustration but upstream (i.e. whoever maintains the openchrome driver) should deal with this bug
[17:04] <tseliot> Sarvatt: or no alternative file at all would be fine too ;)
[17:05] <tseliot> actually better, as mesa already provides one
[17:05] <Sarvatt> ricotz: ok launchpad is still oopsing trying to copy packages so go ahead and copy yours :)
[17:06] <Sarvatt> i'm going to have to rebuild the world in edgers manually at this rate to get maverick set up :(
[17:06] <ricotz> Sarvatt, i will try when the build is ready
[17:07] <ricotz> i will copy it with the binaries, hopefully it didnt oops then
[17:08] <ricotz> Sarvatt, what right do one need to copy packages from the main repos to a ppa?
[17:08] <Sarvatt> none
[17:08] <excalibas> Very sorry, you don't have to deal with my frustrations and I know you try to help.
[17:08] <Sarvatt> just rights to upload to that PPA, 
[17:09] <Sarvatt> excalibas: reporting the problem here would be your best bet since its not ubuntu specific and its a really weird problem that people more familiar with the hardware would know how to fix better - http://openchrome.org/
[17:10] <ricotz> Sarvatt, yeah, but i dont see a option to copy a package from like here "https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/linux/2.6.34-1.6" to a ppa of mine
[17:10] <Sarvatt> oh you have to do it through the link i did up there, it doesn't show up on the packages page
[17:10] <bigjools> hi folks
[17:10] <bigjools> package copying is rather broken
[17:11] <bigjools> we're putting a fix out tomorrow
[17:11] <Sarvatt> \o/ thanks for the heads up bigjools!
[17:11] <ricotz> Sarvatt, ah ok, i overread that
[17:12] <ricotz> bigjools, i just tried to copy a small package and it worked
[17:12] <bigjools> Sarvatt: the guy who's fixing it was out sick for a while today but is back on it again now
[17:12] <bigjools> ricotz: there are some situations where it won't, it's pot luck
[17:13] <ricotz> bigjools, i have been there, i was surprised that it work
[17:14] <excalibas> Sarvatt, The thing is the problem is so strange I don't really know what to write on the bug report, but I will try
[17:15] <bigjools> the bug is https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/575426
[18:25] <lucazade> Bernardo: psb-kernel-headers and psb-kernel-modules should be no longer needed, am i wrong? because they are still present in bernardo-debs
[18:25] <Bernardo> hi
[18:25] <Bernardo> lucazade: yes, forgot to remove those
[18:25] <lucazade> hi
[18:25] <lucazade> ok ok
[18:25] <lucazade> haven't tried new debs yet
[18:27] <lucazade> we got lot of feedback on forum and wiki
[18:27] <lucazade> :)
[18:27] <Bernardo> I saw
[18:27] <Bernardo> :)
[18:27] <Bernardo> Sarvatt, tseliot: I cleaned somewhat the debs today
[18:28] <Bernardo> lucazade: did you try building them?
[18:28] <lucazade> no because i haven't got time
[18:29] <Bernardo> Sarvatt: I've tried a few times to download your git repo, but it times out
[18:29] <lucazade> i'll try tonight because i'm going out now
[18:29] <Bernardo> lucazade: it should build now. I found a stupid error I had made with quilt on xserver-xorg-video-psb
[18:29] <Bernardo> Anyway, I cleaned my lucid install, and did all from scratch
[18:30] <lucazade> perfect.. i'll rebuild everything just for the sake of
[18:30] <Bernardo> found a error in libdrm-poulsbo, and that one in xserver
[18:30] <Bernardo> also removed mesa from xpsb-glx, right now it only installs the binary blobs and removes existing redirections
[18:30] <lucazade> do you have composite disabled?
[18:30] <Bernardo> no
[18:30] <Bernardo> it works well on my 1101ha
[18:31] <lucazade> after a clean installation i had to enable it
[18:31] <lucazade> don't know what is different
[18:31] <lucazade> :|
[18:31] <lucazade> is the installation script right? right packages?
[18:31] <Bernardo> yours is a acer 751h?
[18:32] <lucazade> yes
[18:32] <Bernardo> I didn't test the installation script - and I've just renamed almost all packages....
[18:32] <lucazade> but at the beginning it was working with composite
[18:32] <lucazade> i saw
[18:32] <lucazade> great
[18:33] <Bernardo> I added the suffix 1004um* to those that didn't have it
[18:33] <lucazade> is getting my crazy
[18:33] <Bernardo> lol
[18:33] <Bernardo> sorry about that...
[18:33] <lucazade> heheh lol
[18:33] <lucazade> i can live with
[18:33] <Bernardo> I also added the blacklist entries to poulsbo.conf, are you sure we don't need to blacklist i915?
[18:33] <lucazade> i removed it.. it works
[18:34] <lucazade> don't know why
[18:34] <Bernardo> well, it seems now the problem is with vga16fb
[18:34] <lucazade> really?
[18:34] <lucazade> ah ok
[18:35] <lucazade> don't you want to blacklist?
[18:35] <Bernardo> I blacklisted that one also
[18:35] <Bernardo> :)
[18:35] <lucazade> about opengl? 
[18:36] <lucazade> *sabdfl help us*
[18:40] <Bernardo> opengl? first we'll need to fix 3d + video... :(
[18:40] <jcristau> why would you need to blacklist i915?
[18:42] <Bernardo> It used to conflict with the psb module, afaik
[18:42] <lucazade> was needed for karmic
[18:42] <jcristau> it won't be loaded on psb anyhow
[18:43] <Bernardo> no
[18:43] <Bernardo> I'll take it out of our blacklist
[18:43] <Bernardo> now the only conflict seems to be with vga16fb
[18:44] <Bernardo> if I don't blacklist it, when loading the psb module in fb mode the screen gets badly corrupted
[18:45] <lucazade> Bernardo an ubuntu user send me a modified script: http://gist.github.com/397582 
[18:45] <lucazade> it seems nice..
[18:46] <Bernardo> yes
[18:46] <lucazade> everyone want to contribute.. cool
[18:46] <Bernardo> but the edition of poulsbo.conf, xorg.conf, and calling initramfs is redundant, we do that in poulsbo-config
[18:46] <lucazade> yes i know
[18:47] <lucazade> the script was useful just to get in some new tester
[18:47] <Bernardo> Also, the battery status isn't needed for the 1101 or for kde - at least here I get battery information without problems
[18:47] <lucazade> ;)
[18:47] <Bernardo> but we should recruit that guy to clean up our scripts... :)
[18:48] <lucazade> heheh
[18:48] <lucazade> of course
[18:48] <lucazade> i've to go.. i'll pm if i build the packages
[18:48] <Bernardo> ok
[18:48] <lucazade> bye
[18:48] <Bernardo> give that guy access to the repo and ask him to start with poulsbo-config, if you have time
[18:48] <Bernardo> bye
[18:49] <lucazade> nice idea..i'll ask him
[22:30] <bryceh> tormod, would you mind adding Chase Douglas to xorg-edgers?
[22:30] <tormod> will do
[22:31] <bryceh> tormod, thanks
[22:31] <bryceh> tormod, also while you're at it, mind creating a wayland ppa?  I'm working on updating my packages and probably would be best having them more generally accessible
[22:31] <bryceh> btw, did you see now you can delete ppas finally?  :-)
[22:38] <tormod> wayland, cool
[22:38] <tormod> I am trying to get myself to BRU tomorrow evening
[22:39] <bryceh> sweet
[22:39] <bryceh> the wayland session is tomorrow morning at 10
[22:40] <bryceh> thursday will be several good X sessions
[23:08] <tormod> https://edge.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/wayland
[23:51] <bryceh> tormod, thanks