[14:17] <rlameiro> hey scott-work :D
[14:18] <scott-work> hi rlameiro :)
[14:19] <rlameiro> scott-work: i was thinking on this yesterday, maybe we should integrate the calendar stuff on the website, maybe on the dev section, or maybe add a option to anyone interest to add his/her email to be warned/paged when meetings are comming
[14:22] <scott-work> i tried it briefly yesterday but the code didn't work correctly (well, at all actually)
[14:22] <scott-work> but maybe i did something wrong, why don't you try it also
[14:22] <scott-work> i tried it on wiki.ubuntu.com.  maybe it might work on help.ubuntu.com
[14:23] <rlameiro> hummm i think you would need to bypass the wiki parser thing
[14:23] <rlameiro> i dont know if that is allowed on ubuntu's wikis
[14:24] <rlameiro> that could do a lot of harm, or be used for malicious purposes
[14:37] <scott-work> when the website is updated we can always include the google calendar into it
[14:37] <scott-work> rlameiro: what do you teach at your university?
[14:38] <scott-work> aren't you working on a masters or doctorate also?
[14:38] <rlameiro> finishing master on teaching music
[14:39] <rlameiro> i am thinking on aplying next year for PhD on music
[14:39] <scott-work> don't you use pure data at school?
[14:39] <rlameiro> investigating someting related with opensource/libre technologies for the use on music and show arts
[14:41] <scott-work> studying the effects of open source/libre software in the university (benefits to students and university) would be a great meta-research paper :)
[14:41] <scott-work> rlameiro: take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ReleasePlanning
[14:42] <rlameiro> well, if i make, will be on a performance perspective, and how would it be used or if it can be usefull for a musical show performance
[14:42] <scott-work> i would like to explore developing some new, additional audiences which would include univeristy audio labs as we have discussed previously
[14:42] <rlameiro> also, maybe develop, my own tools for it
[14:42] <scott-work> i'm hoping that you, stochastic and I can research their needs
[14:42] <rlameiro> scott-work: yeap, its a long run, but a worthy one
[14:44] <rlameiro> scott-work: i am thinking on creating a kind of debate group about this
[14:44] <rlameiro> i know ubuntu has edubuntu, but there are big differences on what we want to acomplish, and implement on a university
[14:44] <rlameiro> there is a lot of things to address on this point
[14:45] <rlameiro> technically speaking and philosophically
[14:46] <rlameiro> scott-work: so, maybe a working group could be made to address this
[14:47] <rlameiro> there are a number of persons useing puredata on universities and a lot of them use it on ubuntu/ubuntustudio
[14:47] <rlameiro> we could group with software groups to ask what they would expect for a media distro on a college enviroment
[14:48] <rlameiro> and maybe we can "develop" a speciffic metapackage that address the speciffical needs
[14:49] <rlameiro> for instance, ubuntustudio doesnt come out of the box with super collider/ clam libs etc
[14:49] <rlameiro> faust and some other more in depth tools that are used on composition college courses
[14:52] <rlameiro> going away now
[14:52] <rlameiro> tests time
[15:07] <scott-work> rlameiro: technically speaking, i believe if a application (or suite of applications) is in the ubuntu archives then it could be included in a default installation with a few caveats
[15:07] <scott-work> one of those caveats might be restricted items, such as mp3 codecs
[15:08] <scott-work> but my larger point is that we, as the Ubuntu Studio team, have latitude to include the applications that we feel serve the needs of our audiences
[15:08] <astraljava> I like the idea of using tasks for that. Not perhaps in the default installation, but that should be discussed. I believe it is anyhow for this cycle?
[15:10] <scott-work> we could use tasksel during the alternate installation to choose these things as well (heh, i think this might be what astraljava just said)
[15:11] <scott-work> astraljava: i'm not sure i understand your comment about this cycle?
[15:11] <astraljava> Exactly. :)
[15:11] <astraljava> scott-work: Well I assume that US is supposed to take a closer look at what it's trying to deliver, and most importantly, to whom.
[15:11] <astraljava> ...or that's anyway what I understood of the little talk a while back with Troy et al.
[15:12] <scott-work> i was hoping that this cycle we could explore who are current audience is, what their needs are, and how are we addressing those needs :)
[15:13] <astraljava> I think that's exactly what I was trying to say, but poorly. :D
[15:13]  * astraljava isn't a native English-speaker, so doesn't always make his point clear.
[15:13] <scott-work> towards the end of this cycle i was hoping that we might start exploring other additional audiences, just identifying them and what we think their charactersitics are and maybe decide which ones to research
[15:14] <scott-work> astraljava:  i don't think unclear points are limited to non-native English speakers due to this medium (IRC), there are several native English speakers that i routinely misunderstand ;)
[15:15] <astraljava> Hehe. :) I guess you have a point there.
[15:18] <scott-work> i'm wondering if we could use tasksel to allow the users to select items not included on the ISO to install as well, i'm thinking specifically of mp3 codecs?  would it download say, ubuntu-restricted-extras and install it?
[15:18] <scott-work> this would be a potential way around "not shipping on the ISO" although a bit dodgy admittedly
[15:22] <astraljava> If the network gets configured before that, I don't see why not. Something to think about, anyway.
[15:22] <astraljava> Off to a baseball game, see ya later. :)
[15:23] <detrate-> scott-work: have you read shuttleworths post about ubuntu light?
[15:24] <scott-work> i have detrate- , it seemed to address notebooks quite a bit (and interestingly freedesktop and kubuntu)
[15:24] <scott-work> oh, and 7 sec internet
[15:24] <detrate-> well for 10.10 it's strongly aimed towards netbooks but they have a desktop version planned
[15:25] <detrate-> btw, wordpress 3.0 is set to release this month
[15:25] <detrate-> and it makes some moves towards being more of a CMS
[15:26] <scott-work> i fear that eventually Shuttleworth, et all, are going to implement something so horribly invasive it's going to change Ubuntu Studio (re: changes in 10.10)
[15:26] <scott-work> good news about wordpress 3.0 (unless it's horribly buggy)
[15:26] <detrate-> well, ubuntu netbook remix already starts LOCKING things down
[15:27] <detrate-> you cannot edit the main panel
[15:27] <detrate-> they call this a 'feature'
[15:27] <detrate-> because it's really a cheap workaround to stop conflicts if you change to "desktop mode"
[15:27] <detrate-> but I do not like the idea of being locked out of an open-system, feels very OS X like
[15:33] <detrate-> also scott-work, I think I've found someone to do the design of the new website
[15:34] <detrate-> which frees up more of my time to do the technical parts
[15:37] <rlameiro> scott-work: well, the software/tools i talked about are on the ubuntu repos, no restricted things, so it could be "easy" to make a specific metapackge that address that
[15:38] <rlameiro> also we can "advertise" that on the upstream channels of each software/tool and look at the feedback
[15:39] <rlameiro> I think we should keep with ubuntu, but we cant forget mainstream, we are to little, and niche distro to only look at ubuntu as a "example"
[15:40] <rlameiro> we need to listen users, and needs, and i think we also have an moral obligation in the implementations of techonological things like jack2/lv2/pulseaudio/ etc
[15:40] <rlameiro> and making pressing on development circles to port software from OSS to ALSA/pulseaudio
[15:41] <rlameiro> or to support natively jack and etc
[15:41] <rlameiro> this will never be made by ubuntu, because we have the niche needs that ubuntu vanilla doesnt have
[15:49] <scott-work> detrate-: hey, that's some good news!
[15:50] <scott-work> keep in mind i will certainly be available do make copy, content, etc for the new website as well
[15:51] <scott-work> rlameiro:  all that you said sound good :)
[15:52]  * scott-work is going to one of my weekly meetings :(
[17:09] <rexbron> detrate-: To play devils advocate for a moment, the main reason that Shuttleworth is 'locking' things down like that is for the OEMs (which ubuntu Light is only available for irrc)  and the audience it is ment to serve
[17:19]  * scott-work is back from meeting
[18:14] <detrate-> rexbron: NBR isn't ubuntu light
[18:18] <scott-work> abogani: ping
[18:18] <abogani> scott-work: pong
[18:19] <scott-work> we were discussing -rt kernel earlier and i got distracted, just to make sure i understand (sorry if i'm being dense or obtuse) a 2.6.32 -rt kenerl does *NOT* exist for either i386 or amd64?
[18:21] <abogani> scott-work: rt for 2.6.32 never exist neither for Ubuntu nor for any others.
[18:21] <abogani> scott-work: Don't worry feel free to request as you needs.
[18:22] <detrate-> is it safe to use ext4 for /boot these days?
[18:24] <abogani> detrate-: Yes safe for me at least.
[18:24] <abogani> little doubt: "I suggest to you" or "I suggest you" ?
[18:25] <detrate-> :-P I'll be a risk taker, whatever
[18:25] <detrate-> I haven't had any problems using it as / or /home for the past few months
[18:25] <abogani> jussi: I think than we should evaluate an "exit strategy" for rt kernel into Studio/
[18:27] <scott-work> abogani: how is your PPU application proceeding?
[18:27] <abogani> detrate-: The best is place /boot on a different partition with a simple fs like ext2 and use it ro.
[18:29] <abogani> scott-work: My application was the only one rejected.
[18:29] <abogani> scott-work: little doubt: "I suggest to you" or "I suggest you" ?
[18:30] <detrate-> yeah, I've been using ext3 for my /boot
[18:30] <detrate-> but I figured I'd give ext4 a shot
[18:31] <scott-work> abogani: i'm really, really sorry to hear that about your application :(
[18:33] <abogani> scott-work: And I don't found a job yet. :-(
[18:34] <abogani> scott-work: What is the right: "I suggest to you" or "I suggest you" ?
[18:35] <scott-work> depends on context really, it could be "I suggest you jump off a building" or "I suggest that you consult a medical professional"
[18:36] <scott-work> you could also say "I would suggest to you that she is the reason it is wrong"
[18:37] <abogani> scott-work: Ok. Thanks.
[18:39] <scott-work> abogani: glad to help.  anytime you need help just let me know
[18:39] <abogani> scott-work: Thanks your kindness.
[18:44] <abogani> scott-work: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-users/2010-May/006243.html
[18:57] <scott-work> lol abogani, you responded to the email that reminded me of our conversation
[18:57] <abogani> scott-work: :-)
[18:58] <abogani> scott-work: If you notice (now and in the future) some big errors let me know, please!
[18:59] <scott-work> abogani: i thought your email response was quite fitting and well stated
[19:00] <abogani> scott-work: By the way (and last thing) Is there a Lead for UbuntuStudio?
[19:04] <scott-work> abogani: I have requested to be lead
[19:04] <abogani> scott-work: Could you give me 15 min?
[19:04] <scott-work> certainly
[19:04] <abogani> scott-work: Ok :-)
[19:30] <scott-work> okay
[19:33] <abogani> scott-work: Please go ahead!
[19:34] <scott-work> oh, okay :)
[19:37] <scott-work> so far several people have given me encourangment and their support
[19:37] <scott-work> but i haven't really made a formal declaration either about my intent
[19:37] <scott-work> but of course since this a logged channel i suppose i have now :P
[19:39] <scott-work> quadrispro: when I was working on the zynjacku package i noticed that two binaries were built: zynjacu and lv2rack
[19:40] <scott-work> from the debian bug report i didn't notice any mention of lv2rack, is it included still?
[19:41] <scott-work> abogani: i'm sorry if that seems anticlimatic after possible buildup derived from the delay
[19:43] <quadrispro> ehy scott-work, I'm leaving right now, however I don't know, i will see later
[19:44] <scott-work> quadrispro: okay, no rush, i was just curious
[19:44] <abogani> scott-work: Sorry Scott but I'm not sure to have well understand what are you trying to say me. 
[19:44] <astraljava> scott-work: Yeah you can't back down now. :)
[19:46] <scott-work> lol astraljava
[19:46] <quadrispro> scott-work, lv2rack is powerful jack rack for lv2 plugins 
[19:46] <quadrispro> and yep, it's included
[19:48] <scott-work> quadrispro: i had built and submitted zynjacku for REVU but persia slayed me with comments :P
[19:48] <scott-work> all deserved i'm sure as it was my first reall attempt at packaging
[19:49] <scott-work> but yes, i agree about lv2rack, which why i was so concered ;)
[19:49] <scott-work> and thanks for looking so quickly
[19:51] <quadrispro> you're welcome, we still have a lot of work to do
[19:52] <quadrispro> scott-work, now I'm working together with Jaromir, that guy demonstrates everyday his great packaging skills
[19:53] <quadrispro> scott-work, many packages are arrving through NEW queue :)
[19:54] <quadrispro> guys, see you later
[20:01] <abogani> scott-work: :-?
[20:12] <scott-work> abogani: is that question in response to my "anticlimatic" statement?
[20:13] <abogani> scott-work: No. Simply I don't understand your statement. And FIY I never heard "anticlimatic" word. :-)
[20:14] <abogani> *FYI
[20:14] <abogani> scott-work: Don't worry to be polite with me :-)
[20:14] <rlameiro> lol
[20:14] <abogani> scott-work: but please be simple to understand for stupid person like me ;)
[20:16] <abogani> scott-work: If you think that your statement is simply too rough for channel you can send it via private message.
[20:23] <scott-work> abogani: a climax (can be sexual) but also a dramatic point in a movie involving suspence...it usually builds up to quick, sharp resolution, that resolution is a climax
[20:24] <scott-work> i thought perhaps you had left the channel to get a drink and some popcorn waiting for a good story or intrigue and felt like my explanation of the lead situation was rather meager
[20:28] <abogani> No way I don't understand at all...
[20:28]  * abogani run to read all back logs
[20:28] <abogani> Ahhhhhhhhh
[20:29]  * abogani missed _totally_ that: "scott-work: abogani: I have requested to be lead"
[20:30] <abogani> scott-work: Sorry without that sentence there isn't a chance for me to understand all follow statements  :-)
[20:30]  * abogani is stupid
[20:31] <rlameiro> abogani: you are to hard with yourself...
[20:32]  * abogani surprised he ever supposed that stochastic became lead and Scott follow him as "right arm".
[20:33] <abogani> "Right arm" is comprehensible for you?
[20:33] <abogani> rlameiro: Never enough
[20:35] <rlameiro> hehe, well Right arm is also a portuguese expression, i do get it
[20:36] <abogani> rlameiro: :-)
[20:36] <abogani> rlameiro: Portuguese du Brasil?
[20:36] <rlameiro> no, from Portugal
[20:37] <abogani> rlameiro: Beautiful 
[20:37] <rlameiro> IIRC you are from Milan, aren't you?
[20:37] <abogani> rlameiro: No. I'm live in Prato at 17 km near Florence in the middle of Italy.
[20:38] <rlameiro> hummm Florence :D are you a Fiorentina fan?
[20:38] <abogani> rlameiro: No I don't like "calcio" (football soccer) at all :-)
[20:38] <abogani> rlameiro: Coimbra?
[20:39] <rlameiro> abogani: i am teaching here at Coimbra, but I live in Porto, and i am from Aveiro
[20:39] <rlameiro> did you checked my IP?
[20:39] <abogani> rlameiro: No I prefer request directly.
[20:40] <rlameiro> abogani: i thought you checked my ip GEO, because i am in Coimbra :D
[20:40] <abogani> rlameiro: I force myself from use whois or other trace tools.
[20:41] <abogani> rlameiro: No simply it is my favorite city in Portugal ;-)
[20:41] <rlameiro> abogani: its tempting, isnt it :D
[20:41] <rlameiro> yea, really beautifull, but there are others too
[20:41] <abogani> rlameiro: For example?
[20:42] <rlameiro> Evora, Braga, Some parts of Porto and Lisbon, Aveiro, and some more small cities/places
[20:43] <rlameiro> abogani: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89vora
[20:45] <abogani> rlameiro: I'm prefer Coimbra over Braga. About Porto and Lisboa beautiful cities but I don't like "metropolis". Evora I missed it.
[20:46] <abogani> scott-work: In any case I'm very happy to know that you'll became new Leader. I regret that probably I don't see the result of you work. Good luck for all! :-)
[20:46] <rlameiro> abogani: yea, thats the reason i mentioned parts of it :D, Aveiro its also beatyfull, people call it the portuguese venice
[20:46] <rlameiro> well need to go
[20:52] <scott-work> abogani:  i was hoping stochastic would transition into the lead position also, and as you say I was expected to support him as much as i could (ala "right arm")
[20:52] <scott-work> but it appeared to no one was assuming the leadership role
[20:52] <scott-work> s/to/that
[20:53] <scott-work> ubuntu studio is too important to me so i am happy to fill the position as i best can
[20:56] <scott-work> abogani: why do you say you probably will not see the result of the work?
[21:00] <abogani> scott-work: Simply because I sell my things and the next are: ADSL, laptop and car. 
[21:01] <abogani> s/sell/'m selling
[21:06] <abogani> scott-work: Accept an suggestion: please be essential. Don't do too much things and don't let yourself overwhelmed by Studio needs.
[21:08] <scott-work> abogani: i didn't realize that your situation was that dire!  that is upsetting to hear
[21:09] <abogani> scott-work: Unfortunately life isn't easy without a job. :-)
[23:27] <andyzweb> is there anything about the 10.04 ubuntustudio i386 ISO that I should know about before doing a fresh install