| ryan22 | hey | 00:34 |
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| ryan22 | i was just wondering how many developers ubuntu has who specialize in accessibility | 00:34 |
| neil_d | hi, I am installing ltsp on ubuntu 10.4 but the dnsmasq isn't running (according to netstat) :( how do I get it to start? | 06:58 |
| alkisg | neil_d: sudo invoke-rc.d dnsmasq start | 07:13 |
| alkisg | Do you also have dhcp3-server installed? | 07:14 |
| neil_d | alkisg: dhcp3-server is installed. | 07:16 |
| alkisg | neil_d: you can't have 2 dhcp servers on the same machine. Which one do you want to use? | 07:17 |
| alkisg | Are you following some guide? Why do you want dnsmasq? | 07:18 |
| neil_d | alkisg: 'invoke-rc.d dnsmasq start' = '... /etc/init.d/dnsmasq not found' | 07:18 |
| alkisg | Then you don't have dnsmasq installed | 07:19 |
| alkisg | The default installation doesn't use dnsmasq. Are you sure you need to use it? | 07:19 |
| neil_d | alkisg: I installed 'ltsp-server-standalone' I didn't manually install ether dnsmasq or dhcp3 | 07:19 |
| alkisg | OK, so, should we forget about dnsmasq and focus on dhcp3-server, which is the default dhcp server? | 07:20 |
| neil_d | alkisg: ok... | 07:20 |
| alkisg | OK let's start over. Is dhcp3-server running? | 07:20 |
| alkisg | sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server status | 07:21 |
| neil_d | I got "Status of DHCP server: dhcpd3 is not running" and "invoke-rc.d: initscript dhcp3-server, action "status" failed" | 07:22 |
| alkisg | OK, try to start it: sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server start | 07:22 |
| alkisg | and see the logs for any error messages | 07:22 |
| alkisg | (system > settings > logs) | 07:22 |
| alkisg | E.g. dhcp3-server assumes that the server ip is 192.168.0.1 | 07:23 |
| alkisg | If you changed the ip, you need to modify /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf... | 07:23 |
| neil_d | I get "Not configured to listen on any interfaces!" | 07:23 |
| alkisg | How many nics do you have? | 07:24 |
| alkisg | 1 or 2? | 07:24 |
| neil_d | see dhcpd.conf at http://paste.ubuntu.com/432068/ | 07:24 |
| neil_d | alkisg: I have two. | 07:25 |
| alkisg | Is the one facing the internet, and the other one facing a private network with the ltsp clients? | 07:25 |
| neil_d | eth1 is for the ltsp clients and static configured at 192.168.3.254... I think I need to re-edit the .conf file. | 07:26 |
| alkisg | Yes, 192.168.5 vs 192.168.3... | 07:26 |
| neil_d | ok that problem is solved.. thanks... but now when the client starts up and asks for a name and password.. it says 'verify password' waits for about 10 seconds the says 'No response from server, Restarting' | 07:34 |
| neil_d | an 'ltsp-update-image' didn't resolve anything. | 07:40 |
| alkisg | neil_d: also do an ltsp-update-sshkeys before running ltsp-update-image | 07:42 |
| neil_d | alkisg: I did. | 07:42 |
| alkisg | neil_d: hmmm weird then. Is that a valid user on the server? | 07:42 |
| neil_d | yep | 07:43 |
| alkisg | Try this: sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf | 07:43 |
| alkisg | and put the following contents: | 07:43 |
| alkisg | [Default] | 07:43 |
| alkisg | SCREEN_02=shell | 07:43 |
| alkisg | SCREEN_07=ldm | 07:43 |
| alkisg | Then, reboot your client and switch to vt2 by pressing alt+ctrl+f2 | 07:43 |
| alkisg | At that console, try: ssh <user>@server | 07:44 |
| alkisg | change <user> with an existing user, but leave "server" unchanged | 07:44 |
| alkisg | Notice any warnings or error messages, and see if you're able to login from there. | 07:44 |
| neil_d | I don't have a lts.conf there.. should I create one? | 07:45 |
| alkisg | Yes | 07:45 |
| alkisg | (it's i386, right? not amd64...) | 07:45 |
| bencrisford | highvoltage: its the edubuntu community session today right? if you talk discuss the teams blueprint at all, there is a wiki page that might be useful :) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Education/Launchpad/Groups/Consolidate | 07:48 |
| bencrisford | highvoltage: I won't be around for that session :(, but i'll be around tonight | 07:52 |
| bencrisford | later ;) | 07:52 |
| neil_d | it said 'permission denied (publickey)' the reason is that I when installed I want to be able to login remotely (to the server), and I configured ssh to only accept preshared keys. | 07:52 |
| alkisg | Change you sshd_config so that it accepts keys remotely, but passwords for the local net? | 07:53 |
| alkisg | You can't use preshared keys on ltsp clients (without scripting it yourself) | 07:54 |
| neil_d | alkisg: ok... I think I know how to do that | 07:54 |
| alkisg | (group them with the Host directive...) | 07:54 |
| neil_d | alkisg: how do I use the 'Host' directive.. got a link? | 08:00 |
| alkisg | Nah, I use `man sshd_config` for that | 08:00 |
| alkisg | Out of my head, I think it goes like this: | 08:01 |
| alkisg | Host 192.168.5.* | 08:01 |
| alkisg | directive XXX | 08:01 |
| alkisg | Host * | 08:01 |
| alkisg | rest directives... | 08:01 |
| neil_d | alkisg: ok | 08:01 |
| neil_d | alkisg: found it.. its the 'Match' directive in the sshd_config file. | 08:07 |
| neil_d | alkisg: I put "Match Address=192.168.3.0/24" and "PasswordAuthentication yes" at the end of the sshd_config file.... The client is now working find... :) thanks for the help. | 08:18 |
| alkisg | You're welcome | 08:19 |
| jbicha | mhall119: are you here? | 14:45 |
| mhall119 | I am now | 14:48 |
| highvoltage | mhall119: hey | 15:22 |
| mhall119 | hi | 15:22 |
| mhall119 | sorry I missed the last sesssion, I just got into work | 15:23 |
| highvoltage | mhall119: no problem | 15:23 |
| highvoltage | mhall119: the notes on the white board pretty much sums it up | 15:23 |
| mhall119 | cool, I'll check it out later, in the Fridge session atm | 15:23 |
| highvoltage | mhall119: I noted that you're doing a Qimo gnome session for 10.10 so I just wanted to confirm with you whether you're still up for it :) | 15:24 |
| mhall119 | yes, I'd still like to do that | 15:24 |
| highvoltage | great | 15:24 |
| mhall119 | I'll probably do an LXDE one too, there's been some requests for that | 15:24 |
| highvoltage | mhall119: I was wondering what you thought about Unity | 15:25 |
| highvoltage | I'd push to make it default in Edubuntu if it wasn't so relient on 3d graphics | 15:25 |
| mhall119 | highvoltage: I didn't see the whole presentation, only the screenshots | 15:25 |
| mhall119 | Unity isn't using Enlightenment? | 15:25 |
| highvoltage | nope | 15:25 |
| mhall119 | I thought that was where they were going with UNE | 15:25 |
| highvoltage | oh there's a whole other Enlightenment based distribution called Unity, but that's unrelated | 15:26 |
| mhall119 | yeah, reliance on 3d is not good | 15:26 |
| mhall119 | ok | 15:26 |
| highvoltage | I think as old non-accellerated cards die off, unity would be able to replace things like lxde and xfce | 15:27 |
| jbicha | I heard Unity didn't work too well for people but i haven't tried the ppa for myself yet | 15:27 |
| highvoltage | jbicha: ah! there you are | 15:27 |
| highvoltage | jbicha: about bahrain... maybe I'll go again next year for F1 :) | 15:27 |
| jbicha | I'm leaving Bahrain for good in 1 month but the rest of the lug would like to see you | 15:27 |
| highvoltage | cool, if I do go I'll certainly make contact | 15:28 |
| jbicha | you're legendary as we've never had a Ubuntu member visit the group | 15:28 |
| jbicha | it's pretty funny actually | 15:28 |
| highvoltage | heh, nothing special about me | 15:28 |
| highvoltage | but I did almost attend a meeting last time I was there! | 15:28 |
| jbicha | yeah but you have a fan club | 15:28 |
| highvoltage | they should get some people active there and get them to apply for membership! | 15:29 |
| highvoltage | our community session is next... | 15:29 |
| highvoltage | I was thinking that we should discuss the advocacy group, since we have quite a bit oppertunity with some school districts wanting to get involved | 15:30 |
| highvoltage | what else should we cover in a community session? | 15:30 |
| highvoltage | I'm a bit dry on ideas on things that we can do community-wise during this release cycle | 15:30 |
| AndyGraybeal_ | what do people think about netbooks vs actual thinclients? | 15:58 |
| highvoltage | netbooks are cool | 16:03 |
| mhall119 | they serve different purposes, IMO | 16:03 |
| AndyGraybeal_ | what makes it any different from a thinclient? | 16:03 |
| highvoltage | they don't work in some places where they may be stolen or vandalised | 16:03 |
| mhall119 | AndyGraybeal_: netbooks are mobile devices that do their own processing | 16:04 |
| AndyGraybeal_ | highvoltage: baring that, i wonder what makes them different. | 16:04 |
| highvoltage | thin clients are better imho where the machines are static and always at the same place | 16:04 |
| highvoltage | netbooks are nice if every one can have their own computer | 16:04 |
| AndyGraybeal_ | what thinclients do you folks recommend purchasing. | 16:04 |
| highvoltage | you get different clients depending where you are... personally I like atom based thin clients and I try hard to avoid anything with a via display card (such as the Wyse thin clients in particular) | 16:05 |
| highvoltage | stgraber has used many different thin clients, if you hang around he'd be able to give you some great pointers on what to avoid | 16:06 |
| AndyGraybeal_ | i've purchased the thinclient that usurper sells. i can't help but wonder about that compared to a netbook. | 16:07 |
| AndyGraybeal_ | my users are asking for more workstation, and some are asking for mobile machines.. i don't feel comfortable recommending netbooks, but if they can kill 2 birds with one stone... | 16:07 |
| alkisg | What about screen size? Is 10" acceptable as a thin client? | 16:10 |
| AndyGraybeal_ | alkisg: well i would be hooking it up to an external monitor for the 'thin client' and then they can unhook it and go 'mobile' | 16:11 |
| AndyGraybeal_ | alkisg: but good question because i haven't thoguht out all the details eyt. | 16:11 |
| AndyGraybeal_ | yet | 16:11 |
| AndyGraybeal_ | i keep wanting to steer them towards thinclients and not mobile ;( maybe i'm a bad person | 16:12 |
| stgraber | #uds-jatoba for these following uds remotely | 16:12 |
| alkisg | For trusted environments, I'd go with netbooks too ;) | 16:12 |
| AndyGraybeal_ | alkisg: we are all co-owners of the business. | 16:13 |
| AndyGraybeal_ | so i trust everyone | 16:13 |
| alkisg | You can even work them as fat clients if needed | 16:13 |
| AndyGraybeal_ | yea, i like the idea of both being able to NX and pxe boot | 16:13 |
| AndyGraybeal_ | i have one asus eee pc with eeebuntu loaded | 16:14 |
| AndyGraybeal_ | my user nx's with it fine. | 16:14 |
| alkisg | In greece 12 y.o. kids were given netbooks. I pxe boot them as ltsp fat clients so that they can run google earth etc... | 16:16 |
| AndyGraybeal_ | you run google earth as localapp? | 16:17 |
| AndyGraybeal_ | do you hook them up to a bigger monitor? | 16:17 |
| alkisg | Kind of. Fat clients is all local, nothing runs on the server, just authentication + home is on the server | 16:17 |
| alkisg | No no those kids see fine in 10" :D | 16:17 |
| AndyGraybeal_ | ah interesting. I guess I don't totally understand everything yet. | 16:17 |
| alkisg | It's us grownups that have the problems... | 16:18 |
| AndyGraybeal_ | alkisg: :) ah okay, tiny fingers too. | 16:18 |
| AndyGraybeal_ | i can't stand typing on eee pc. | 16:18 |
| alkisg | Yeah me too.. fat fingers :( | 16:18 |
| AndyGraybeal_ | alkisg: thank you for your thoughts. so many things to consider. | 16:18 |
| alkisg | When I was playing guitar I had to buy a 12 string and convert it to 6 string to fit my fingers on it :D | 16:19 |
| AndyGraybeal_ | i'm still steering towards thinclients from disklessworkstations.com | 16:19 |
| alkisg | Np | 16:19 |
| AndyGraybeal_ | omg buy a 12 string.. expensive! | 16:19 |
| AndyGraybeal_ | alkisg: the girls must love you ;) | 16:19 |
| alkisg | Nah that was 15-20 years ago :D | 16:19 |
| AndyGraybeal_ | :) | 16:20 |
| alkisg | ok, back to work... | 16:20 |
| AndyGraybeal_ | thanks again | 16:20 |
| === AndyGraybeal_ is now known as AndyGraybeal | ||
| bencrisford | Are we having a meeting tonight? | 18:04 |
| bencrisford | or is it cancelled this week because of UDS | 18:04 |
| alkisg | bencrisford: cancelled - see your mails | 18:05 |
| highvoltage | bencrisford: yep, we missed you at the session this afternoon! | 18:18 |
| dbclinton | I've been having loads of fun with this 10.04 install and I'm afraid I still need help. The first two clean installs left my server randomly crashing three or four times a day. This time I used a different HD and so far (twelve hours in) it hasn't gone down. | 18:18 |
| dbclinton | All three times, however, the thin client environment hasn't installed (there's nothing there below /opt). I assume it's because the install couldn't authenticate through my proxy server. Why doesn't the install module allow authentication information? The time I installed via the live disk session, I made sure to update authentication in "System/Preferences/Network Proxy" but it didn't seem to pass that information along. | 18:18 |
| dbclinton | Either way, I manually installed via ltsp-build-client, but there were errors like the following: | 18:18 |
| dbclinton | Setting up sshfs (2.2-1build1) ... | 18:18 |
| highvoltage | (yep, as in, cancelled) | 18:18 |
| dbclinton | Setting up rdesktop (1.6.0-2ubuntu3) ... | 18:18 |
| dbclinton | Setting up update-inetd (4.35) ... | 18:18 |
| dbclinton | debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Passthrough | 18:18 |
| dbclinton | debconf: (Failed to open fd 3: Bad file descriptor at (eval 24) line 3) | 18:18 |
| dbclinton | debconf: falling back to frontend: Noninteractive | 18:18 |
| dbclinton | pretty much the same thing happened for: | 18:18 |
| dbclinton | sane-utils (1.0.20-13ubuntu2) | 18:18 |
| dbclinton | cups-bsd (1.4.3-1) | 18:18 |
| dbclinton | and | 18:18 |
| dbclinton | ltsp-client-core (5.2.1-0ubuntu9) - except this last one was followed by: | 18:18 |
| dbclinton | update-rc.d: warning: ltsp-client-core start runlevel arguments (2) do not match LSB Default-Start values (2 3 4 5) | 18:18 |
| dbclinton | Any ideas? | 18:18 |
| highvoltage | dbclinton: thosepass-through messages are ok | 18:19 |
| dbclinton | highvoltage: I guess that's a relief. | 18:19 |
| highvoltage | dbclinton: not sure about those runlevel warnings though | 18:19 |
| highvoltage | dbclinton: also the live session installer should use the proxy settings that you set in the gui, so it's very weird that that didn't work | 18:20 |
| bencrisford | highvoltage: Normally id be home by that time on a wednesday, but not this week im afraid. Reading the "Notes Dump" now :). | 18:20 |
| highvoltage | bencrisford: ok | 18:20 |
| dbclinton | highvoltage:Any idea how I can get my clients booting (I had to manually setup up /etc/network/interfaces) | 18:21 |
| dbclinton | highvoltage: there is absolutely no sign of the clients in syslog etc. - no dhcp offers of any sort | 18:22 |
| highvoltage | dbclinton: is the dhcp3 server installed and running? | 18:30 |
| dbclinton | highvoltage: Not sure. How should I test it? | 18:31 |
| highvoltage | dbclinton: try runnint: ps aux | 18:32 |
| highvoltage | oops, pressed enter too fast | 18:32 |
| highvoltage | dbclinton: try running: ps aux | grep dhcp | 18:32 |
| dbclinton | highvoltage: I got this: root 25925 0.0 0.0 2228 844 ? S 01:21 0:00 /sbin/dhclient -d -sf /usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-client.action -pf /var/run/dhclient-eth0.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient-20094a31-d470-403a-b84b-53bd82cf4da2-eth0.lease -cf /var/run/nm-dhclient-eth0.conf eth0 | 18:34 |
| dbclinton | 1000 28356 0.0 0.0 3320 792 pts/0 S+ 13:34 0:00 grep --color=auto dhcp | 18:34 |
| highvoltage | there should be some output that contains something like 'dhcp3-server' | 18:34 |
| highvoltage | yes that's not running | 18:34 |
| dbclinton | highvoltage: my client-side NIC, by the way, is eth1 | 18:34 |
| highvoltage | do a: /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start | 18:35 |
| highvoltage | dbclinton: what is its IP Address? | 18:35 |
| dbclinton | highvoltage: eth1 is 192.168.0.254 | 18:35 |
| dbclinton | highvoltage: ifconfig recognizes that | 18:36 |
| highvoltage | dbclinton: how did you install ltsp? did you install the ltsp-server package or the ltsp-server-standalone package? | 18:37 |
| dbclinton | highvoltage: Well here's a problem: bash: /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server: No such file or directory | 18:37 |
| highvoltage | if it was ltsp-server it wouldn't have installed dhcp3-server | 18:37 |
| dbclinton | highvoltage: I did install ltsp-server. What should I add? | 18:38 |
| dbclinton | highvoltage:The standalone? | 18:38 |
| dbclinton | highvoltage: Will installing standalone now break anything? | 18:39 |
| highvoltage | dbclinton: nope | 18:39 |
| dbclinton | highvoltage: Then that's what I'll do! Thanks so much! | 18:39 |
| highvoltage | you could install it and it will bring in the dhcp server without breaking anything existing | 18:39 |
| highvoltage | pleasure! (I'll be right back) | 18:40 |
| dbclinton | update: it took 90 seconds or so to install ltsp-server-standalone and all my worries are over (besides this month's MasterCard bill, of course)! Thanks! | 18:46 |
| bencrisford | highvoltage: so todays community session was productive? :) | 19:16 |
| bencrisford | (looks like it from the notes ;)) | 19:16 |
| bencrisford | I wish I hadn't missed it :( | 19:23 |
| mhall119 | we wish you hadn't too | 20:01 |
| mhall119 | I think highvoltage is planning on re-capping today's sessions in tonight's meeting | 20:01 |
| bencrisford | mhall119: cancelled :( | 20:01 |
| mhall119 | aw | 20:02 |
| bencrisford | yeah | 20:02 |
| mhall119 | guess you'll have to wait to hear from him then, I missed the first session | 20:02 |
| mhall119 | and was working while listening in on the second | 20:02 |
| bencrisford | mhall119: notes are on the mailing list :) | 20:03 |
| bencrisford | looks like a lot got done | 20:03 |
| mhall119 | hmm, looks like I need to change the address I used for the mailinglist, which one was it sent to? | 21:03 |
| bencrisford | mhall119: edubuntu-devel | 21:04 |
| bencrisford | edubuntu-devel @ lists.ubuntu.com | 21:05 |
| mhall119 | thanks, re-subscribed | 21:14 |
| bencrisford | Hmm, we have app bundles for primary, secondary education etc. but have we looked at maybe having an app bundle of useful software for teachers and school management stuff? | 21:50 |
| bencrisford | Because software such as the fet timetable generator would be useful for school administrators, but not for alot of other users | 21:53 |
| bencrisford | so if there was a school management bundle it could not be included by default, but be available in the repos | 21:54 |
| bencrisford | anyway, g'night all | 22:06 |
| bencrisford | highvoltage: stgraber: enjoy day 4 tomorrow :) | 22:07 |
| maden | what are the minimal requirements to use edubuntu? | 23:11 |
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