[00:34] hey [00:34] i was just wondering how many developers ubuntu has who specialize in accessibility [06:58] hi, I am installing ltsp on ubuntu 10.4 but the dnsmasq isn't running (according to netstat) :( how do I get it to start? [07:13] neil_d: sudo invoke-rc.d dnsmasq start [07:14] Do you also have dhcp3-server installed? [07:16] alkisg: dhcp3-server is installed. [07:17] neil_d: you can't have 2 dhcp servers on the same machine. Which one do you want to use? [07:18] Are you following some guide? Why do you want dnsmasq? [07:18] alkisg: 'invoke-rc.d dnsmasq start' = '... /etc/init.d/dnsmasq not found' [07:19] Then you don't have dnsmasq installed [07:19] The default installation doesn't use dnsmasq. Are you sure you need to use it? [07:19] alkisg: I installed 'ltsp-server-standalone' I didn't manually install ether dnsmasq or dhcp3 [07:20] OK, so, should we forget about dnsmasq and focus on dhcp3-server, which is the default dhcp server? [07:20] alkisg: ok... [07:20] OK let's start over. Is dhcp3-server running? [07:21] sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server status [07:22] I got "Status of DHCP server: dhcpd3 is not running" and "invoke-rc.d: initscript dhcp3-server, action "status" failed" [07:22] OK, try to start it: sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server start [07:22] and see the logs for any error messages [07:22] (system > settings > logs) [07:23] E.g. dhcp3-server assumes that the server ip is 192.168.0.1 [07:23] If you changed the ip, you need to modify /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf... [07:23] I get "Not configured to listen on any interfaces!" [07:24] How many nics do you have? [07:24] 1 or 2? [07:24] see dhcpd.conf at http://paste.ubuntu.com/432068/ [07:25] alkisg: I have two. [07:25] Is the one facing the internet, and the other one facing a private network with the ltsp clients? [07:26] eth1 is for the ltsp clients and static configured at 192.168.3.254... I think I need to re-edit the .conf file. [07:26] Yes, 192.168.5 vs 192.168.3... [07:34] ok that problem is solved.. thanks... but now when the client starts up and asks for a name and password.. it says 'verify password' waits for about 10 seconds the says 'No response from server, Restarting' [07:40] an 'ltsp-update-image' didn't resolve anything. [07:42] neil_d: also do an ltsp-update-sshkeys before running ltsp-update-image [07:42] alkisg: I did. [07:42] neil_d: hmmm weird then. Is that a valid user on the server? [07:43] yep [07:43] Try this: sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf [07:43] and put the following contents: [07:43] [Default] [07:43] SCREEN_02=shell [07:43] SCREEN_07=ldm [07:43] Then, reboot your client and switch to vt2 by pressing alt+ctrl+f2 [07:44] At that console, try: ssh @server [07:44] change with an existing user, but leave "server" unchanged [07:44] Notice any warnings or error messages, and see if you're able to login from there. [07:45] I don't have a lts.conf there.. should I create one? [07:45] Yes [07:45] (it's i386, right? not amd64...) [07:48] highvoltage: its the edubuntu community session today right? if you talk discuss the teams blueprint at all, there is a wiki page that might be useful :) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Education/Launchpad/Groups/Consolidate [07:52] highvoltage: I won't be around for that session :(, but i'll be around tonight [07:52] later ;) [07:52] it said 'permission denied (publickey)' the reason is that I when installed I want to be able to login remotely (to the server), and I configured ssh to only accept preshared keys. [07:53] Change you sshd_config so that it accepts keys remotely, but passwords for the local net? [07:54] You can't use preshared keys on ltsp clients (without scripting it yourself) [07:54] alkisg: ok... I think I know how to do that [07:54] (group them with the Host directive...) [08:00] alkisg: how do I use the 'Host' directive.. got a link? [08:00] Nah, I use `man sshd_config` for that [08:01] Out of my head, I think it goes like this: [08:01] Host 192.168.5.* [08:01] directive XXX [08:01] Host * [08:01] rest directives... [08:01] alkisg: ok [08:07] alkisg: found it.. its the 'Match' directive in the sshd_config file. [08:18] alkisg: I put "Match Address=192.168.3.0/24" and "PasswordAuthentication yes" at the end of the sshd_config file.... The client is now working find... :) thanks for the help. [08:19] You're welcome [14:45] mhall119: are you here? [14:48] I am now [15:22] mhall119: hey [15:22] hi [15:23] sorry I missed the last sesssion, I just got into work [15:23] mhall119: no problem [15:23] mhall119: the notes on the white board pretty much sums it up [15:23] cool, I'll check it out later, in the Fridge session atm [15:24] mhall119: I noted that you're doing a Qimo gnome session for 10.10 so I just wanted to confirm with you whether you're still up for it :) [15:24] yes, I'd still like to do that [15:24] great [15:24] I'll probably do an LXDE one too, there's been some requests for that [15:25] mhall119: I was wondering what you thought about Unity [15:25] I'd push to make it default in Edubuntu if it wasn't so relient on 3d graphics [15:25] highvoltage: I didn't see the whole presentation, only the screenshots [15:25] Unity isn't using Enlightenment? [15:25] nope [15:25] I thought that was where they were going with UNE [15:26] oh there's a whole other Enlightenment based distribution called Unity, but that's unrelated [15:26] yeah, reliance on 3d is not good [15:26] ok [15:27] I think as old non-accellerated cards die off, unity would be able to replace things like lxde and xfce [15:27] I heard Unity didn't work too well for people but i haven't tried the ppa for myself yet [15:27] jbicha: ah! there you are [15:27] jbicha: about bahrain... maybe I'll go again next year for F1 :) [15:27] I'm leaving Bahrain for good in 1 month but the rest of the lug would like to see you [15:28] cool, if I do go I'll certainly make contact [15:28] you're legendary as we've never had a Ubuntu member visit the group [15:28] it's pretty funny actually [15:28] heh, nothing special about me [15:28] but I did almost attend a meeting last time I was there! [15:28] yeah but you have a fan club [15:29] they should get some people active there and get them to apply for membership! [15:29] our community session is next... [15:30] I was thinking that we should discuss the advocacy group, since we have quite a bit oppertunity with some school districts wanting to get involved [15:30] what else should we cover in a community session? [15:30] I'm a bit dry on ideas on things that we can do community-wise during this release cycle [15:58] what do people think about netbooks vs actual thinclients? [16:03] netbooks are cool [16:03] they serve different purposes, IMO [16:03] what makes it any different from a thinclient? [16:03] they don't work in some places where they may be stolen or vandalised [16:04] AndyGraybeal_: netbooks are mobile devices that do their own processing [16:04] highvoltage: baring that, i wonder what makes them different. [16:04] thin clients are better imho where the machines are static and always at the same place [16:04] netbooks are nice if every one can have their own computer [16:04] what thinclients do you folks recommend purchasing. [16:05] you get different clients depending where you are... personally I like atom based thin clients and I try hard to avoid anything with a via display card (such as the Wyse thin clients in particular) [16:06] stgraber has used many different thin clients, if you hang around he'd be able to give you some great pointers on what to avoid [16:07] i've purchased the thinclient that usurper sells. i can't help but wonder about that compared to a netbook. [16:07] my users are asking for more workstation, and some are asking for mobile machines.. i don't feel comfortable recommending netbooks, but if they can kill 2 birds with one stone... [16:10] What about screen size? Is 10" acceptable as a thin client? [16:11] alkisg: well i would be hooking it up to an external monitor for the 'thin client' and then they can unhook it and go 'mobile' [16:11] alkisg: but good question because i haven't thoguht out all the details eyt. [16:11] yet [16:12] i keep wanting to steer them towards thinclients and not mobile ;( maybe i'm a bad person [16:12] #uds-jatoba for these following uds remotely [16:12] For trusted environments, I'd go with netbooks too ;) [16:13] alkisg: we are all co-owners of the business. [16:13] so i trust everyone [16:13] You can even work them as fat clients if needed [16:13] yea, i like the idea of both being able to NX and pxe boot [16:14] i have one asus eee pc with eeebuntu loaded [16:14] my user nx's with it fine. [16:16] In greece 12 y.o. kids were given netbooks. I pxe boot them as ltsp fat clients so that they can run google earth etc... [16:17] you run google earth as localapp? [16:17] do you hook them up to a bigger monitor? [16:17] Kind of. Fat clients is all local, nothing runs on the server, just authentication + home is on the server [16:17] No no those kids see fine in 10" :D [16:17] ah interesting. I guess I don't totally understand everything yet. [16:18] It's us grownups that have the problems... [16:18] alkisg: :) ah okay, tiny fingers too. [16:18] i can't stand typing on eee pc. [16:18] Yeah me too.. fat fingers :( [16:18] alkisg: thank you for your thoughts. so many things to consider. [16:19] When I was playing guitar I had to buy a 12 string and convert it to 6 string to fit my fingers on it :D [16:19] i'm still steering towards thinclients from disklessworkstations.com [16:19] Np [16:19] omg buy a 12 string.. expensive! [16:19] alkisg: the girls must love you ;) [16:19] Nah that was 15-20 years ago :D [16:20] :) [16:20] ok, back to work... [16:20] thanks again === AndyGraybeal_ is now known as AndyGraybeal [18:04] Are we having a meeting tonight? [18:04] or is it cancelled this week because of UDS [18:05] bencrisford: cancelled - see your mails [18:18] bencrisford: yep, we missed you at the session this afternoon! [18:18] I've been having loads of fun with this 10.04 install and I'm afraid I still need help. The first two clean installs left my server randomly crashing three or four times a day. This time I used a different HD and so far (twelve hours in) it hasn't gone down. [18:18] All three times, however, the thin client environment hasn't installed (there's nothing there below /opt). I assume it's because the install couldn't authenticate through my proxy server. Why doesn't the install module allow authentication information? The time I installed via the live disk session, I made sure to update authentication in "System/Preferences/Network Proxy" but it didn't seem to pass that information along. [18:18] Either way, I manually installed via ltsp-build-client, but there were errors like the following: [18:18] Setting up sshfs (2.2-1build1) ... [18:18] (yep, as in, cancelled) [18:18] Setting up rdesktop (1.6.0-2ubuntu3) ... [18:18] Setting up update-inetd (4.35) ... [18:18] debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Passthrough [18:18] debconf: (Failed to open fd 3: Bad file descriptor at (eval 24) line 3) [18:18] debconf: falling back to frontend: Noninteractive [18:18] pretty much the same thing happened for: [18:18] sane-utils (1.0.20-13ubuntu2) [18:18] cups-bsd (1.4.3-1) [18:18] and [18:18] ltsp-client-core (5.2.1-0ubuntu9) - except this last one was followed by: [18:18] update-rc.d: warning: ltsp-client-core start runlevel arguments (2) do not match LSB Default-Start values (2 3 4 5) [18:18] Any ideas? [18:19] dbclinton: thosepass-through messages are ok [18:19] highvoltage: I guess that's a relief. [18:19] dbclinton: not sure about those runlevel warnings though [18:20] dbclinton: also the live session installer should use the proxy settings that you set in the gui, so it's very weird that that didn't work [18:20] highvoltage: Normally id be home by that time on a wednesday, but not this week im afraid. Reading the "Notes Dump" now :). [18:20] bencrisford: ok [18:21] highvoltage:Any idea how I can get my clients booting (I had to manually setup up /etc/network/interfaces) [18:22] highvoltage: there is absolutely no sign of the clients in syslog etc. - no dhcp offers of any sort [18:30] dbclinton: is the dhcp3 server installed and running? [18:31] highvoltage: Not sure. How should I test it? [18:32] dbclinton: try runnint: ps aux [18:32] oops, pressed enter too fast [18:32] dbclinton: try running: ps aux | grep dhcp [18:34] highvoltage: I got this: root 25925 0.0 0.0 2228 844 ? S 01:21 0:00 /sbin/dhclient -d -sf /usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-client.action -pf /var/run/dhclient-eth0.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient-20094a31-d470-403a-b84b-53bd82cf4da2-eth0.lease -cf /var/run/nm-dhclient-eth0.conf eth0 [18:34] 1000 28356 0.0 0.0 3320 792 pts/0 S+ 13:34 0:00 grep --color=auto dhcp [18:34] there should be some output that contains something like 'dhcp3-server' [18:34] yes that's not running [18:34] highvoltage: my client-side NIC, by the way, is eth1 [18:35] do a: /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start [18:35] dbclinton: what is its IP Address? [18:35] highvoltage: eth1 is 192.168.0.254 [18:36] highvoltage: ifconfig recognizes that [18:37] dbclinton: how did you install ltsp? did you install the ltsp-server package or the ltsp-server-standalone package? [18:37] highvoltage: Well here's a problem: bash: /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server: No such file or directory [18:37] if it was ltsp-server it wouldn't have installed dhcp3-server [18:38] highvoltage: I did install ltsp-server. What should I add? [18:38] highvoltage:The standalone? [18:39] highvoltage: Will installing standalone now break anything? [18:39] dbclinton: nope [18:39] highvoltage: Then that's what I'll do! Thanks so much! [18:39] you could install it and it will bring in the dhcp server without breaking anything existing [18:40] pleasure! (I'll be right back) [18:46] update: it took 90 seconds or so to install ltsp-server-standalone and all my worries are over (besides this month's MasterCard bill, of course)! Thanks! [19:16] highvoltage: so todays community session was productive? :) [19:16] (looks like it from the notes ;)) [19:23] I wish I hadn't missed it :( [20:01] we wish you hadn't too [20:01] I think highvoltage is planning on re-capping today's sessions in tonight's meeting [20:01] mhall119: cancelled :( [20:02] aw [20:02] yeah [20:02] guess you'll have to wait to hear from him then, I missed the first session [20:02] and was working while listening in on the second [20:03] mhall119: notes are on the mailing list :) [20:03] looks like a lot got done [21:03] hmm, looks like I need to change the address I used for the mailinglist, which one was it sent to? [21:04] mhall119: edubuntu-devel [21:05] edubuntu-devel @ lists.ubuntu.com [21:14] thanks, re-subscribed [21:50] Hmm, we have app bundles for primary, secondary education etc. but have we looked at maybe having an app bundle of useful software for teachers and school management stuff? [21:53] Because software such as the fet timetable generator would be useful for school administrators, but not for alot of other users [21:54] so if there was a school management bundle it could not be included by default, but be available in the repos [22:06] anyway, g'night all [22:07] highvoltage: stgraber: enjoy day 4 tomorrow :) [23:11] what are the minimal requirements to use edubuntu?