[00:34] <ryan22> hey
[00:34] <ryan22> i was just wondering how many developers ubuntu has who specialize in accessibility
[06:58] <neil_d> hi, I am installing ltsp on ubuntu 10.4 but the dnsmasq isn't running (according to netstat) :(  how do I get it to start?
[07:13] <alkisg> neil_d: sudo invoke-rc.d dnsmasq start
[07:14] <alkisg> Do you also have dhcp3-server installed?
[07:16] <neil_d> alkisg: dhcp3-server is installed.
[07:17] <alkisg> neil_d: you can't have 2 dhcp servers on the same machine. Which one do you want to use?
[07:18] <alkisg> Are you following some guide? Why do you want dnsmasq?
[07:18] <neil_d> alkisg: 'invoke-rc.d dnsmasq start' = '... /etc/init.d/dnsmasq not found'
[07:19] <alkisg> Then you don't have dnsmasq installed
[07:19] <alkisg> The default installation doesn't use dnsmasq. Are you sure you need to use it?
[07:19] <neil_d> alkisg: I installed 'ltsp-server-standalone' I didn't manually install ether dnsmasq or dhcp3
[07:20] <alkisg> OK, so, should we forget about dnsmasq and focus on dhcp3-server, which is the default dhcp server?
[07:20] <neil_d> alkisg: ok...
[07:20] <alkisg> OK let's start over. Is dhcp3-server running?
[07:21] <alkisg> sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server status
[07:22] <neil_d> I got "Status of DHCP server: dhcpd3 is not running"  and "invoke-rc.d: initscript dhcp3-server, action "status" failed"
[07:22] <alkisg> OK, try to start it: sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server start
[07:22] <alkisg> and see the logs for any error messages
[07:22] <alkisg> (system > settings > logs)
[07:23] <alkisg> E.g. dhcp3-server assumes that the server ip is 192.168.0.1
[07:23] <alkisg> If you changed the ip, you need to modify /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf...
[07:23] <neil_d> I get "Not configured to listen on any interfaces!"
[07:24] <alkisg> How many nics do you have?
[07:24] <alkisg> 1 or 2?
[07:24] <neil_d> see dhcpd.conf at http://paste.ubuntu.com/432068/
[07:25] <neil_d> alkisg: I have two.
[07:25] <alkisg> Is the one facing the internet, and the other one facing a private network with the ltsp clients?
[07:26] <neil_d> eth1 is for the ltsp clients and static configured at 192.168.3.254... I think I need to re-edit the .conf file.
[07:26] <alkisg> Yes, 192.168.5 vs 192.168.3...
[07:34] <neil_d> ok that problem is solved.. thanks... but now when the client starts up and asks for a name and password.. it says 'verify password' waits for about 10 seconds the says 'No response from server, Restarting'
[07:40] <neil_d> an 'ltsp-update-image' didn't resolve anything.
[07:42] <alkisg> neil_d: also do an ltsp-update-sshkeys before running ltsp-update-image
[07:42] <neil_d> alkisg: I did.
[07:42] <alkisg> neil_d: hmmm weird then. Is that a valid user on the server?
[07:43] <neil_d> yep
[07:43] <alkisg> Try this: sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
[07:43] <alkisg> and put the following contents:
[07:43] <alkisg> [Default]
[07:43] <alkisg> SCREEN_02=shell
[07:43] <alkisg> SCREEN_07=ldm
[07:43] <alkisg> Then, reboot your client and switch to vt2 by pressing alt+ctrl+f2
[07:44] <alkisg> At that console, try: ssh <user>@server
[07:44] <alkisg> change <user> with an existing user, but leave "server" unchanged
[07:44] <alkisg> Notice any warnings or error messages, and see if you're able to login from there.
[07:45] <neil_d> I don't have a lts.conf there.. should I create one?
[07:45] <alkisg> Yes
[07:45] <alkisg> (it's i386, right? not amd64...)
[07:48] <bencrisford> highvoltage: its the edubuntu community session today right?  if you talk discuss the teams blueprint at all, there is a wiki page that might be useful :) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Education/Launchpad/Groups/Consolidate
[07:52] <bencrisford> highvoltage: I won't be around for that session :(, but i'll be around tonight
[07:52] <bencrisford> later ;)
[07:52] <neil_d> it said 'permission denied (publickey)'  the reason is that I when installed I want to be able to login remotely (to the server), and I configured ssh to only accept preshared keys.
[07:53] <alkisg> Change you sshd_config so that it accepts keys remotely, but passwords for the local net?
[07:54] <alkisg> You can't use preshared keys on ltsp clients (without scripting it yourself)
[07:54] <neil_d> alkisg: ok... I think I know how to do that
[07:54] <alkisg> (group them with the Host directive...)
[08:00] <neil_d> alkisg: how do I use the 'Host' directive.. got a link?
[08:00] <alkisg> Nah, I use `man sshd_config` for that
[08:01] <alkisg> Out of my head, I think it goes like this:
[08:01] <alkisg> Host 192.168.5.*
[08:01] <alkisg>   directive XXX
[08:01] <alkisg> Host *
[08:01] <alkisg>   rest directives...
[08:01] <neil_d> alkisg: ok
[08:07] <neil_d> alkisg: found it.. its the 'Match' directive in the sshd_config file.
[08:18] <neil_d> alkisg:  I put "Match Address=192.168.3.0/24" and "PasswordAuthentication yes" at the end of the sshd_config file....   The client is now working find... :)  thanks for the help.
[08:19] <alkisg> You're welcome
[14:45] <jbicha> mhall119: are you here?
[14:48] <mhall119> I am now
[15:22] <highvoltage> mhall119: hey
[15:22] <mhall119> hi
[15:23] <mhall119> sorry I missed the last sesssion, I just got into work
[15:23] <highvoltage> mhall119: no problem
[15:23] <highvoltage> mhall119: the notes on the white board pretty much sums it up
[15:23] <mhall119> cool, I'll check it out later, in the Fridge session atm
[15:24] <highvoltage> mhall119: I noted that you're doing a Qimo gnome session for 10.10 so I just wanted to confirm with you whether you're still up for it :)
[15:24] <mhall119> yes, I'd still like to do that
[15:24] <highvoltage> great
[15:24] <mhall119> I'll probably do an LXDE one too, there's been some requests for that
[15:25] <highvoltage> mhall119: I was wondering what you thought about Unity
[15:25] <highvoltage> I'd push to make it default in Edubuntu if it wasn't so relient on 3d graphics
[15:25] <mhall119> highvoltage: I didn't see the whole presentation, only the screenshots
[15:25] <mhall119> Unity isn't using Enlightenment?
[15:25] <highvoltage> nope
[15:25] <mhall119> I thought that was where they were going with UNE
[15:26] <highvoltage> oh there's a whole other Enlightenment based distribution called Unity, but that's unrelated
[15:26] <mhall119> yeah, reliance on 3d is not good
[15:26] <mhall119> ok
[15:27] <highvoltage> I think as old non-accellerated cards die off, unity would be able to replace things like lxde and xfce
[15:27] <jbicha> I heard Unity didn't work too well for people but i haven't tried the ppa for myself yet
[15:27] <highvoltage> jbicha: ah! there you are
[15:27] <highvoltage> jbicha: about bahrain... maybe I'll go again next year for F1 :)
[15:27] <jbicha> I'm leaving Bahrain for good in 1 month but the rest of the lug would like to see you
[15:28] <highvoltage> cool, if I do go I'll certainly make contact
[15:28] <jbicha> you're legendary as we've never had a Ubuntu member visit the group
[15:28] <jbicha> it's pretty funny actually
[15:28] <highvoltage> heh, nothing special about me
[15:28] <highvoltage> but I did almost attend a meeting last time I was there!
[15:28] <jbicha> yeah but you have a fan club
[15:29] <highvoltage> they should get some people active there and get them to apply for membership!
[15:29] <highvoltage> our community session is next...
[15:30] <highvoltage> I was thinking that we should discuss the advocacy group, since we have quite a bit oppertunity with some school districts wanting to get involved
[15:30] <highvoltage> what else should we cover in a community session?
[15:30] <highvoltage> I'm a bit dry on ideas on things that we can do community-wise during this release cycle
[15:58] <AndyGraybeal_> what do people think about netbooks vs actual thinclients?
[16:03] <highvoltage> netbooks are cool
[16:03] <mhall119> they serve different purposes, IMO
[16:03] <AndyGraybeal_> what makes it any different from a thinclient?
[16:03] <highvoltage> they don't work in some places where they may be stolen or vandalised
[16:04] <mhall119> AndyGraybeal_: netbooks are mobile devices that do their own processing
[16:04] <AndyGraybeal_> highvoltage: baring that, i wonder what makes them different.
[16:04] <highvoltage> thin clients are better imho where the machines are static and always at the same place
[16:04] <highvoltage> netbooks are nice if every one can have their own computer
[16:04] <AndyGraybeal_> what thinclients do you folks recommend purchasing.
[16:05] <highvoltage> you get different clients depending where you are... personally I like atom based thin clients and I try hard to avoid anything with a via display card (such as the Wyse thin clients in particular)
[16:06] <highvoltage> stgraber has used many different thin clients, if you hang around he'd be able to give you some great pointers on what to avoid
[16:07] <AndyGraybeal_> i've purchased the thinclient that usurper sells.  i can't help but wonder about that compared to a netbook.
[16:07] <AndyGraybeal_> my users are asking for more workstation, and some are asking for mobile machines.. i don't feel comfortable recommending netbooks, but if they can kill 2 birds with one stone...
[16:10] <alkisg> What about screen size? Is 10" acceptable as a thin client?
[16:11] <AndyGraybeal_> alkisg: well i would be hooking it up to an external monitor for the 'thin client' and then they can unhook it and go 'mobile'
[16:11] <AndyGraybeal_> alkisg: but good question because i haven't thoguht out all the details eyt.
[16:11] <AndyGraybeal_> yet
[16:12] <AndyGraybeal_> i keep wanting to steer them towards thinclients and not mobile ;(  maybe i'm a bad person
[16:12] <stgraber> #uds-jatoba for these following uds remotely
[16:12] <alkisg> For trusted environments, I'd go with netbooks too ;)
[16:13] <AndyGraybeal_> alkisg: we are all co-owners of the business.
[16:13] <AndyGraybeal_> so i trust everyone
[16:13] <alkisg> You can even work them as fat clients if needed
[16:13] <AndyGraybeal_> yea, i like the idea of both being able to NX and pxe boot
[16:14] <AndyGraybeal_> i have one asus eee pc with eeebuntu loaded
[16:14] <AndyGraybeal_> my user nx's with it fine.
[16:16] <alkisg> In greece 12 y.o. kids were given netbooks. I pxe boot them as ltsp fat clients so that they can run google earth etc...
[16:17] <AndyGraybeal_> you run google earth as localapp?
[16:17] <AndyGraybeal_> do you hook them up to a bigger monitor?
[16:17] <alkisg> Kind of. Fat clients is all local, nothing runs on the server, just authentication + home is on the server
[16:17] <alkisg> No no those kids see fine in 10" :D
[16:17] <AndyGraybeal_> ah interesting.  I guess I don't totally understand everything yet.
[16:18] <alkisg> It's us grownups that have the problems...
[16:18] <AndyGraybeal_> alkisg:  :)  ah okay, tiny fingers too.
[16:18] <AndyGraybeal_> i can't stand typing on eee pc.
[16:18] <alkisg> Yeah me too.. fat fingers :(
[16:18] <AndyGraybeal_> alkisg:  thank you for your thoughts.  so many things to consider.
[16:19] <alkisg> When I was playing guitar I had to buy a 12 string and convert it to 6 string to fit my fingers on it :D
[16:19] <AndyGraybeal_> i'm still steering towards thinclients from disklessworkstations.com
[16:19] <alkisg> Np
[16:19] <AndyGraybeal_> omg buy a 12 string.. expensive!
[16:19] <AndyGraybeal_> alkisg: the girls must love you ;)
[16:19] <alkisg> Nah that was 15-20 years ago :D
[16:20] <AndyGraybeal_> :)
[16:20] <alkisg> ok, back to work...
[16:20] <AndyGraybeal_> thanks again
[18:04] <bencrisford> Are we having a meeting tonight?
[18:04] <bencrisford> or is it cancelled this week because of UDS
[18:05] <alkisg> bencrisford: cancelled - see your mails
[18:18] <highvoltage> bencrisford: yep, we missed you at the session this afternoon!
[18:18] <dbclinton> I've been having loads of fun with this 10.04 install and I'm afraid I still need help. The first two clean installs left my server randomly crashing three or four times a day. This time I used a different HD and so far (twelve hours in) it hasn't gone down.
[18:18] <dbclinton> All three times, however, the thin client environment hasn't installed (there's nothing there below /opt). I assume it's because the install couldn't authenticate through my proxy server. Why doesn't the install module allow authentication information? The time I installed via the live disk session, I made sure to update authentication in "System/Preferences/Network Proxy" but it didn't seem to pass that information along.
[18:18] <dbclinton> Either way, I manually installed via ltsp-build-client, but there were errors like the following:
[18:18] <dbclinton> Setting up sshfs (2.2-1build1) ...
[18:18] <highvoltage> (yep, as in, cancelled)
[18:18] <dbclinton> Setting up rdesktop (1.6.0-2ubuntu3) ...
[18:18] <dbclinton> Setting up update-inetd (4.35) ...
[18:18] <dbclinton> debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Passthrough
[18:18] <dbclinton> debconf: (Failed to open fd 3: Bad file descriptor at (eval 24) line 3)
[18:18] <dbclinton> debconf: falling back to frontend: Noninteractive
[18:18] <dbclinton> pretty much the same thing happened for:
[18:18] <dbclinton> sane-utils (1.0.20-13ubuntu2)
[18:18] <dbclinton> cups-bsd (1.4.3-1)
[18:18] <dbclinton> and
[18:18] <dbclinton> ltsp-client-core (5.2.1-0ubuntu9) - except this last one was followed by:
[18:18] <dbclinton> update-rc.d: warning: ltsp-client-core start runlevel arguments (2) do not match LSB Default-Start values (2 3 4 5)
[18:18] <dbclinton> Any ideas?
[18:19] <highvoltage> dbclinton: thosepass-through messages are ok
[18:19] <dbclinton> highvoltage: I guess that's a relief.
[18:19] <highvoltage> dbclinton: not sure about those runlevel warnings though
[18:20] <highvoltage> dbclinton: also the live session installer should use the proxy settings that you set in the gui, so it's very weird that that didn't work
[18:20] <bencrisford> highvoltage: Normally id be home by that time on a wednesday, but not this week im afraid.  Reading the "Notes Dump" now :).
[18:20] <highvoltage> bencrisford: ok
[18:21] <dbclinton> highvoltage:Any idea how I can get my clients booting (I had to manually setup up /etc/network/interfaces)
[18:22] <dbclinton> highvoltage: there is absolutely no sign of the clients in syslog etc. - no dhcp offers of any sort
[18:30] <highvoltage> dbclinton: is the dhcp3 server installed and running?
[18:31] <dbclinton> highvoltage: Not sure. How should I test it?
[18:32] <highvoltage> dbclinton: try runnint: ps aux
[18:32] <highvoltage> oops, pressed enter too fast
[18:32] <highvoltage> dbclinton: try running: ps aux | grep dhcp
[18:34] <dbclinton> highvoltage: I got this: root     25925  0.0  0.0   2228   844 ?        S    01:21   0:00 /sbin/dhclient -d -sf /usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-client.action -pf /var/run/dhclient-eth0.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient-20094a31-d470-403a-b84b-53bd82cf4da2-eth0.lease -cf /var/run/nm-dhclient-eth0.conf eth0
[18:34] <dbclinton> 1000     28356  0.0  0.0   3320   792 pts/0    S+   13:34   0:00 grep --color=auto dhcp
[18:34] <highvoltage> there should be some output that contains something like 'dhcp3-server'
[18:34] <highvoltage> yes that's not running
[18:34] <dbclinton> highvoltage: my client-side NIC, by the way, is eth1
[18:35] <highvoltage> do a: /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start
[18:35] <highvoltage> dbclinton: what is its IP Address?
[18:35] <dbclinton> highvoltage: eth1 is 192.168.0.254
[18:36] <dbclinton> highvoltage: ifconfig recognizes that
[18:37] <highvoltage> dbclinton: how did you install ltsp? did you install the ltsp-server package or the ltsp-server-standalone package?
[18:37] <dbclinton> highvoltage: Well here's a problem: bash: /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server: No such file or directory
[18:37] <highvoltage> if it was ltsp-server it wouldn't have installed dhcp3-server
[18:38] <dbclinton> highvoltage: I did install ltsp-server. What should I add?
[18:38] <dbclinton> highvoltage:The standalone?
[18:39] <dbclinton> highvoltage: Will installing standalone now break anything?
[18:39] <highvoltage> dbclinton: nope
[18:39] <dbclinton> highvoltage: Then that's what I'll do! Thanks so  much!
[18:39] <highvoltage> you could install it and it will bring in the dhcp server without breaking anything existing
[18:40] <highvoltage> pleasure! (I'll be right back)
[18:46] <dbclinton> update: it took 90 seconds or so to install ltsp-server-standalone and all my worries are over (besides this month's MasterCard bill, of course)! Thanks!
[19:16] <bencrisford> highvoltage: so todays community session was productive? :)
[19:16] <bencrisford> (looks like it from the notes ;))
[19:23] <bencrisford> I wish I hadn't missed it :(
[20:01] <mhall119> we wish you hadn't too
[20:01] <mhall119> I think highvoltage is planning on re-capping today's sessions in tonight's meeting
[20:01] <bencrisford> mhall119: cancelled :(
[20:02] <mhall119> aw
[20:02] <bencrisford> yeah
[20:02] <mhall119> guess you'll have to wait to hear from him then, I missed the first session
[20:02] <mhall119> and was working while listening in on the second
[20:03] <bencrisford> mhall119: notes are on the mailing list :)
[20:03] <bencrisford> looks like a lot got done
[21:03] <mhall119> hmm, looks like I need to change the address I used for the mailinglist, which one was it sent to?
[21:04] <bencrisford> mhall119: edubuntu-devel
[21:05] <bencrisford> edubuntu-devel @ lists.ubuntu.com
[21:14] <mhall119> thanks, re-subscribed
[21:50] <bencrisford> Hmm, we have app bundles for primary, secondary education etc.  but have we looked at maybe having an app bundle of useful software for teachers and school management stuff?
[21:53] <bencrisford> Because software such as the fet timetable generator would be useful for school administrators, but not for alot of other users
[21:54] <bencrisford> so if there was a school management bundle it could not be included by default, but be available in the repos
[22:06] <bencrisford> anyway, g'night all
[22:07] <bencrisford> highvoltage: stgraber: enjoy day 4 tomorrow :)
[23:11] <maden> what are the minimal requirements to use edubuntu?