[00:08] <apachelogger> well then
[00:09] <apachelogger> one hooters visit, 3hours of snooker and half an our of darts and apachelogger is quite the useless bit of foo
[00:09] <apachelogger> -.-
[00:09] <apachelogger> Mamarok: could have been better TBH :/
[00:10] <apachelogger> hopefully enough rightness in it *shrug*
[00:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: it means neversfelde cant spell really :P
[00:10] <Mamarok> what sort of math?
[00:10] <apachelogger> since he wanted us to endorse his application for moto :P
[00:10] <apachelogger> Mamarok: discrete
[00:10] <apachelogger> Mamarok: numbers theory and that stuff
[00:11] <Mamarok> oh, graphs and stuff, I liked that one :)
[00:12] <apachelogger> no graphs just now, they are supposed to be appearing towards the end of the semester
[00:12] <Mamarok> only? we actually started with that :)
[00:12] <apachelogger> for now we really just messed with congruence and groups and how to rsa
[00:12] <apachelogger> Mamarok: scary ^^
[00:15]  * apachelogger must remember to not listen to friends when they say that we wont stay out til midnight -.-
[00:16] <apachelogger> gotta do thinking aloud tests in 8 hours -.-
[00:17] <ScottK> Depending on ones perspective staying out past midnight is not staying out until midnight.
[00:17] <al> that's exactly what i would have said
[00:17] <apachelogger> that is why I mustnt listen in the first place :P
[02:01] <txwikinger> nixternal ryanakca do we have the new kubuntu graphics somewhere?
[03:04] <txwikinger> thanks found it
[08:18] <jontheechidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopvi1469-jpg.jpg
[08:18] <jontheechidna> oops, wrong chan
[08:55] <Tm_T> yay, ffmpegthumbnailer is now in kdemultimedia (kde 4.5)
[09:01] <txwikinger> apachelogger: in the amarok plugin for UDS the room with numbers do not work
[09:40] <Riddell> rdieter: does fedora use apport?
[10:15] <jontheechidna> Can anybody go to the Universe translations session for the next session? (I'll go if it's necessary)
[10:16]  * Riddell doing printer tools
[10:17] <jontheechidna> yeah, that's what I want to do too...
[10:17] <jontheechidna> But I suppose getting universe translations stopped is more important
[10:18] <jontheechidna> for me anyways
[11:11] <apachelogger> ehm
[11:11] <apachelogger> txwikinger: that is because someone keeps changing urls
[11:12] <txwikinger> ah
[11:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: could you please find out who is responsible for icecast.ubuntu.com and tell him to make up his mind about naming, or I shall be furious
[11:12] <txwikinger> They shall be very afraid now :)
[11:12] <apachelogger> and when I am furious... next thing you know is that I am writing a html parser
[11:12] <apachelogger> and from there it is only one step to programming C#
[11:13] <apachelogger> and from there it is only so far to become master of the microsoft development platform
[11:13] <txwikinger> another mono fanboy
[11:15] <CIA-6> [amarok-uds] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100512101511-m2vkdwux8qn23uyc * (main.js streams.txt) apparently we are using - as delimiter now - hooray for service providers breaking their service addresses \o/
[11:17] <apachelogger> txwikinger: 10.10.2 uploaded to kde-apps
[11:17] <txwikinger> hehe
[11:17]  * apachelogger has a major headache from yesterday -.-
[11:17] <apachelogger> and that thinking aloud testing is rather exhausting
[11:28] <shtylman> the kde api is down... anyone remember off the top of their head how to trigger a notification ?
[11:28] <shtylman> what is the class? KStatusNotifierItem?
[11:28] <Riddell> KStatusNotifierItem is the systray class
[11:28] <Riddell> visual notification is probably done with knotify
[11:29] <shtylman> hmm
[11:30] <apachelogger> shtylman: there is a qch file available somehwere
[11:30] <shtylman> just the knotify class?
[11:30] <apachelogger> I think it is enlistedin the topic of kde-devel
[11:30] <ScottK> apachelogger: My goal is to make sure if they do Universe packages it at least can't do harm.
[11:30] <apachelogger> shtylman: KNotification is the class I think
[11:30] <ScottK> packages/translations
[11:30] <apachelogger> ScottK: from my experience ... launchpad translations do cause harm
[11:30] <shtylman> apachelogger: k... lemme look at that
[11:30] <apachelogger> ...the translations...
[11:31] <apachelogger> shtylman: importing the stuff into qt assitant also has the advantage of actually being able to do real search ;)
[11:31] <apachelogger> now that broken thingy of api.kde.org
[11:31] <apachelogger> s/now/not
[11:31] <shtylman> apachelogger: indeed
[11:31] <shtylman> I need to do that... at some point :)
[11:33] <apachelogger> shtylman: why not now, takes like a minute ;)
[11:33] <ScottK> apachelogger: I agree, but if they leave the upstream translations in place, then it can't get worse
[11:33] <apachelogger> that said
[11:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: is ade at uds?
[11:33] <ScottK> If he's who I think he is (I"m not good with names) he's in the room
[11:33] <apachelogger> you might want to ask him if englishbreakfast network could build qt assistant .qch files for the api as well
[11:34] <apachelogger> ScottK: http://conference2006.kde.org/conference/photos/adriaan_de_groot.jpg
[11:35] <ScottK> Thanks.  Not who I was thinking of.
[11:35] <Riddell> ade isn't here
[11:35] <apachelogger> oh ok
[11:41] <shtylman> when making an notification do I need to create the config as well? or can I just use the class without extra files?
[11:41] <Riddell> you need the .notifyrc file
[11:42] <Riddell> e.g. /usr/share/kde4/apps/notificationhelper/notificationhelper.notifyrc
[11:42] <Riddell> you also need to kill and restart knotify4 before any changes take affect
[11:42] <shtylman> this is complex :)
[11:43] <Riddell> mmm
[11:49] <ScottK> shtylman: To pop a notification you can install libnotify-bin and then notify-send foo.
[11:49] <shtylman> ScottK: right... but I am patching yakuake to use better notofications on startup
[11:49] <shtylman> right now it uses the old kde static notification class
[11:49] <ScottK> OK.
[11:49] <shtylman> and I wanna use the right stff
[11:55] <apachelogger> shtylman: KNotification
[11:55] <apachelogger> shtylman: KNotification::event() actually
[11:55] <apachelogger> static shot-and-forget, or what it is called ^^
[11:56] <shtylman> oooo
[11:56] <shtylman> and I don't need the notifyrc file with that?
[11:56] <apachelogger> you do
[11:56] <apachelogger> otherwise knotify will just ignore the notification
[11:56] <shtylman> heh
[11:56] <apachelogger> dont know why though
[11:56] <apachelogger> seems odd if you ask me, since everything in the notifyrc can be defined via that function too IIRC
[11:57] <apachelogger> shtylman: also, for testing... you need to restart knotify4 or at least run kbuildsycoca4 to get it to pick up the notifyrc
[11:57] <shtylman> k
[11:57] <apachelogger> took me a while to figure that out ^^
[11:57] <shtylman> I tried doing that... still something not playing nice 
[11:58] <apachelogger> shtylman: you could take a look at kubuntu-notification-helper
[11:58] <apachelogger> it got loads of that stuff ;)
[11:58] <shtylman> indeed I should
[11:58] <shtylman> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/432172/
[11:58] <shtylman> seem mostly right?
[11:59] <apachelogger> shtylman: icon name should be lower level ;)
[11:59] <apachelogger> but looks about right
[11:59] <shtylman> kk
[11:59] <apachelogger> needs to go to /usr/share/kde4/apps/yakuake as yakuake.notifyrc I think
[11:59] <apachelogger> then restart knotify4
[11:59] <apachelogger> and that should work
[12:00] <shtylman> k
[12:00] <shtylman> maybe I didn't install in right place
[12:00] <shtylman> install( FILES yakuake.notifyrc  DESTINATION ${DATA_INSTALL_DIR}/yakuake)
[12:00] <shtylman> I had that line in the cmake
[12:00] <shtylman> cause the header suggested it
[12:01] <apachelogger> should be the right dir 
[12:02] <shtylman> sadness
[12:02] <shtylman> guess it just doesn't like me
[12:02] <apachelogger> shtylman: maybe relogin
[12:03] <shtylman> maybe
[12:03] <shtylman> I will try that
[12:48]  * shtylman is still failing at notifications...
[12:49] <shtylman> weeps in sorrow
[12:58] <apachelogger> shtylman: there there
[12:59] <shtylman> ;(
[13:03] <shtylman_> victory!!!
[13:05] <shtylman_> yakuake notifcation doesn't suck :)
[13:08]  * txwikinger is sooo tired
[13:22] <shtylman> apachelogger: we should update yakuake :)
[13:22] <shtylman> we have an old version
[13:22] <shtylman> svn is more up to date
[13:22] <shtylman> but I don't think they have done an official "release" in a while
[13:23] <apachelogger> better talk to sho then
[13:23] <shtylman> sho?
[13:23] <shtylman> is he the maintainer for us?
[13:23] <apachelogger> he is upstream
[13:23] <shtylman> ah
[13:24] <apachelogger> shtylman: Sho_, not online it seems though
[13:26] <shtylman> k
[13:26] <shtylman> for now imma package into my ppa :)
[13:29] <rdieter> Riddell: no (fedora doesn't use apport)
[13:59] <Riddell> rdieter: what about Jockey?
[14:00] <rdieter> Riddell: I don't think so (not familiar with that one)
[14:04] <Riddell> rdieter: non free driver installer, I know people from red hat have looked at it but it doesn't seem very Fedoraish
[14:04] <rdieter> :) I think you're right.
[14:08] <shtylman> Riddell: do we have more sessions today?
[14:08] <Riddell> shtylman: netbook setup is next
[14:09] <shtylman> ahh indeed
[14:09] <shtylman> im in the dx keyboard meeting right now
[14:09] <shtylman> to see if there are any interesting takeaways
[14:12] <shtylman> Riddell: also to note that for the installer, the keyboard setup may now rely on the system's keyboard setup
[14:12] <shtylman> ie a panel item
[14:12] <shtylman> so I am playing around with what kde offers to do that..
[14:56] <nixternal> good mornin' kubuntuers!
[14:57] <jjesse_> good morning nixternal
[14:57] <jjesse_> any werd on your job ?
[14:57] <nixternal> not yet
[14:59] <Riddell> nixternal: anything we need to look into regarding docs or feedback survey or the like at UDS?
[15:02] <nixternal> don't think so...i want to fix the size issue and maybe change up some stuff on the survey for maverick
[15:02] <nixternal> nothing to waste time on at UDS for though
[15:02] <nixternal> we will let the community tracks do all that :D
[15:02] <nixternal> I will be listening in on the plasma netbook stuff fyi
[15:41] <txwikinger> Why do I get bindwood errors in my firefox :(
[15:54] <Riddell> rbelem: please subscribe to https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-maverick-file-sharing scheduled for friday
[15:55] <rbelem> cool
[15:55] <rbelem> subscribed now :-)
[16:08] <txwikinger> can I disable those popups from the taskbar?
[16:29] <jontheechidna> Everybody in palissandre was really impressed by the KDE global menu bling :D
[16:29] <jontheechidna> Got even more clapping than seeing qtconfig getting a global menu in GNOME
[16:32] <nixternal> is that the os x like menu crap?
[16:39] <Riddell> jontheechidna: when was that?
[16:39] <jussi> Riddell: about 15 mins ago
[16:40] <jussi> nixternal: yes :P :P
[16:40] <jussi> Riddell: its being video'd, so you can all watch later
[16:43] <txwikinger> Do we have something equivalent to gnomekeyring
[16:48] <rbelem> txwikinger, kwallet?
[16:48] <txwikinger> that is what I thought
[16:49] <txwikinger> is there a python interface to it?
[16:49] <rbelem> txwikinger, i think this is the package python-keyring-kwallet
[16:50] <txwikinger> ah
[16:52] <rbelem> :-)
[16:57] <txwikinger> Do we have the Secret Service API implemented in KDE?
[16:57] <jontheechidna> Riddell: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/uds-m-ubuntu-netbook-edition-global.html
[17:07] <Riddell> txwikinger: what is that?
[17:07] <txwikinger> it is the common api that uses kwallet in KDE or gnomekeyring in Gnome
[17:08]  * txwikinger tries to figure out the problem with lernid on KDE
[17:09] <Riddell> jontheechidna: ha ha "you're so much better than ted"
[17:43] <Riddell> roar, gobby is down
[17:53] <txwikinger> hmm.. lernid works now
[17:54] <txwikinger> somehow it seems the install did not start the necessary stuff
[17:54] <txwikinger> it needs a logout and login, or maybe even a login into Gnome
[18:20] <amichair> is plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo the package that replaces ubuntu purple splash screen with kubuntu's?
[18:21] <amichair> the karmic->lucid upgrade didn't go as smooth as I'd hoped
[18:31] <Riddell> yes that's the one
[18:33] <amichair> Riddell: 10x
[18:37] <amichair> should I report the upgrade related bugs in their respective packages or is there a central location for them?
[18:38] <Riddell> you could report on update-manager
[18:38] <amichair> I shall
[18:47] <Riddell> new spec! https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuMaverickKDEPackaging
[19:13] <maco> Riddell: nice rationale
[19:13] <maco> heh and assumptions
[19:14] <maco> python-kde will now be responsible for Phonon bindings instead of python-qt.  <--uhhhh
[19:14] <maco> someone in a kde channel was saying phonon-kde should jsut go away as it adds nothing over phonon-qt
[19:15] <maco> when i mentioned that pykdeuic4 assumes you want phonon-qt not phonon-kde
[19:17] <maco> also, as someone writing a python program that uses phonon *whimper* -- if pykdeuic4 is patched to make it uses phonon-kde (given what the spec says) that makes my imports on my program wrong. im guessing this is the part where you yell at me that i should have a proper build system instead of just a README
[19:45] <ghostcube> guys be warned lol
[19:45] <ghostcube> http://www.protocolsnow.com/2010/04/17/how-i-went-from-apple-store-newbie-to-lifetime-ban-in-one-week/
[20:44]  * apachelogger drops in with a major headache
[20:45] <apachelogger> I just attended the probably worst presentation I have ever seen in my entire life
[20:45] <apachelogger> and I doubt anything can ever be worse than that
[20:45] <jjesse> hopefully it wasn't the one i just finished presenting
[20:45]  * apachelogger is afraid of the nightmares just now
[20:45] <apachelogger> jjesse: no, about android development
[20:45] <apachelogger> or rather, non-development
[20:45] <apachelogger> that dude was like "uhm, I am android developer!!!!" and then he was like "uhm, ahm, ehm, ... lets ask google"
[20:46] <apachelogger> he actually was able to produce 3 lines of code in 2 hours himself
[20:46] <apachelogger> then snippet copy one function
[20:46] <jjesse> nice
[20:46] <jjesse> hopefully you didn't pay for it
[20:46] <apachelogger> and in that function he managed to have 3 bugs
[20:46] <apachelogger> and best of all
[20:46] <apachelogger> he accessed a completely different protoype
[20:47] <apachelogger> jjesse: fortunately not
[20:50] <agateau> Riddell: ping
[20:52] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: pling
[20:52] <JontheEchidna> agateau informed me that he just pinged you ;)
[20:55] <Mamarok> how can I remove the obsolete grub entries? All old kernels are still displayed, even if removed and purged...
[21:18] <shtylman> JontheEchidna: http://imagebin.ca/view/DRyEht.html
[21:18] <JontheEchidna> shtylman: thx
[21:24] <shtylman> JontheEchidna: shtylman.com/stuff/kickoff.svg
[22:04]  * amichair hugs all the great kubuntu guys and gals
[22:08]  * JontheEchidna huggles back
[22:09]  * apachelogger is wondering why ubuntuone-login needs 3, make that 4 classes to process anything
[22:10]  * apachelogger huggles everyone too
[22:14] <nixternal> apachelogger: ubuntufour?
[22:15] <apachelogger> ubuntume
[22:16] <Riddell> maco: the phonon bindings stuff isn't final that's just my understanding of how it ought to work, the practice may be different
[22:29]  * txwikinger want lernid go through his quassel server