[00:00] <timrl> BluesKaj it still doesnt show up any w32codecs package
[00:01] <timrl> BluesKaj my sources.list http://pastebin.com/acZturX5
[00:02] <timrl> BluesKaj do i have all the required repos ?
[00:02] <BluesKaj> timrl, uncomment the deb-src 's as well
[00:02] <timrl> BluesKaj: ok
[00:03] <BluesKaj> !medibuntu | timrl
[00:06] <timrl> BluesKaj finally found w32codecs after adding medibuntu repo...now installing it
[00:07] <_jam> well, as far as I can tell, mplayer, amarok, and kmail/kio_imap4 constitute all but 4000 lines or so of the 480k lines of errors
[00:07] <ForgeAus> do you need w32codecs with vlc?
[00:07] <BluesKaj> timrl, yeah, I sometimes forget which repos contain the media stuff because i automatically enable all my repos and add medibuntu after each OS upgrade.
[00:07] <_jam> don't think so, not sure
[00:07] <timrl> BluesKaj ok
[00:10] <BluesKaj> BBL
[00:12] <_jam> can anyone look at these errors and give me a hint what is crashing: http://pastebin.com/qBE7UHtW
[00:16] <timrl> BluesKaj installed w32codecs, but still unable to play the video..actually, im trying to play the following video : http://bit.ly/aFaniX
[00:16] <timrl> can u play it at ur end ?
[00:17] <timrl> BluesKaj: ah..its working in firefox now :)
[00:17] <timrl> BluesKaj thanks for ur help
[00:19] <zus> hey guys i got to run  bbl
[00:21] <serraphyn> Is there a way in kubuntu that remapps the mouse buttons? I found it and accidently made my mouse the right click to paste like middle button does
[00:21] <serraphyn> but I can't seem to find where I did it
[00:24] <wafaa> hello
[00:24] <serraphyn> is there a way to simulate right clicking then?
[00:25] <wafaa> i am using kubuntu
[00:25] <wafaa> and i have some troubles with giza
[00:25] <wafaa> can any one help me pls
[00:29] <AnnaZ> wafaa: city or pyramid?
[00:30] <wafaa> no
[00:30] <wafaa> it's a software
[00:30] <serraphyn> if kubuntu broke? i can't right click on my desktop..
[00:30] <wafaa> installed under kubunto
[00:31] <wafaa> it's used in automatic translation
[00:32] <AnnaZ> wafaa: and what kind of problem do you have with it?
[00:32] <wafaa> there's wht we call environement variables
[00:33] <wafaa> i can't install them
[00:33] <wafaa> AnnaZ :do u know this software?
[00:33] <AnnaZ> naturally NOT.
[00:34] <AnnaZ> but if you tell me what you're trying to do and at what stage you're failing i might be able to help you nonetheless.
[00:34] <AnnaZ> i assume you are following some kind of manual and can point me to a line where you get lost.
[00:34] <wafaa> yes
[00:34] <wafaa> it's a manual
[00:35] <wafaa> the manual of installation of Giza++
[00:35] <wafaa> well the installation was done properly
[00:35] <AnnaZ> do you expect me to google it just to help you?
[00:37] <wafaa> i tried to google it but i didn't find any thing
[00:38] <wafaa> u r very kind AnnaZ
[00:38] <AnnaZ> ehr do you have this manual on a stone plate, carried down from a hill by a prophet? -.-
[00:38] <wafaa> nooooooooooo
[00:38] <wafaa> it was given to me by my lecturer
[00:38] <AnnaZ> i know. it was a very funny joke.
[00:38] <AnnaZ> oh. then you DO have it on a stone plate of sorts.
[00:39] <wafaa> but when i reached this step i cldn't carry on
[00:39] <wafaa> come on
[00:39] <wafaa> i dnt like this kind of jokes
[00:39] <wafaa> it's not funny
[00:40] <AnnaZ> oh but it turned out to be true!
[00:40] <wafaa> we were talking abt a scientific topic
[00:40] <wafaa> but it's may b a joke for u
[00:40] <AnnaZ> no, about a technical one -.-
[00:41] <AnnaZ> well yes everything that doesn't come from internet comes from the stone age -.-
[00:41] <AnnaZ> look, you are asking about domain specific software, being absolutely unspecific about the problem you have, and you expect to be helped?
[00:42] <AnnaZ> you should rather expect someone to bathe you in sarcasm.
[00:42] <wafaa> yeah we owe the first scholars wht we reached today in science
[00:43] <AnnaZ> yeah they were smarter than you.
[00:43] <wafaa> yes
[00:43] <wafaa> who said tht i was smart
[00:44] <wafaa> but am sure tht ur the smartst person in this chatroom yes?
[00:44] <AnnaZ> well you would have appeared smarter if you had been more specific about the problem.
[00:44] <AnnaZ> no, i'm not the smartest, merely the funniest.
[00:44] <wafaa> would have given more info
[00:44] <wafaa> if u were more respectfull towards
[00:45] <wafaa> someone who had
[00:45] <wafaa> a prob and needed help
[00:46] <AnnaZ> oh you just don't want any help.
[00:47] <AnnaZ> like, you might have noticed i'm not the ONLY person here.
[00:48] <wafaa> i noticed it since the begining
[00:48] <wafaa> but i appreciated ur answer even if u ddnt have the right one
[00:48] <AnnaZ> and nonetheless, you act as if there weren't any. unless you disclose all information noone is gonna help.
[00:49] <AnnaZ> thing is, you don't get a person to tell you "yeah i'm gonna help"
[00:49] <wafaa> u know may b
[00:50] <wafaa> am in ubuntu chatroom for first time
[00:50] <AnnaZ> well it's like that everywhere.
[00:50] <wafaa> but i am used to chat in technical chatroom
[00:50] <wafaa> the difference is tht
[00:51] <AnnaZ> or most places.
[00:51] <wafaa> when people do nt have the answer
[00:51] <wafaa> they dnt turn it as if it was a joke
[00:51] <wafaa> they are more professional
[00:51] <AnnaZ> oh bullshit.
[00:52] <AnnaZ> you can write a wrapper script with "export VARNAME=value" statements which then calls your program
[00:52] <AnnaZ> or you can put those statements in your .bashrc or so.
[00:53] <AnnaZ> but i didn't want to mislead you into making even more problems for yourself, so i asked for more info.
[00:53] <AnnaZ> also i find uncooperative people who need help absolutely hilarious :D
[00:54] <wafaa> uncooperative!
[00:55] <wafaa> if i had the answer i'll not ask for help
[00:55] <wafaa> how could i b cooperative?
[00:55] <AnnaZ> you have it. right there on your paper which you received from your professor or whatever.
[00:55] <wafaa> no
[00:56] <wafaa> the official paper doesn't contain this instruction
[00:56] <AnnaZ> why do you expect someone to have a complete solution for you instead of helping you to put your brain to it and resolve that one little thing that you might be missing?
[00:56] <wafaa> there was a problem while 'exporting'
[00:56] <wafaa> the environement variable
[00:57] <wafaa> i dnt want someone to give me the answer
[00:58] <wafaa> i am just wondering why it ddnt work since i followed the right steps
[00:59] <wafaa> and it's not a problem if someone had the same prob and could guide me
[00:59] <AnnaZ> do you have an error message?
[00:59] <wafaa> dnt u  think so?
[00:59] <wafaa> yes
[00:59] <AnnaZ> like i said, your software is domain specific.
[00:59] <wafaa> nooooooooo
[00:59] <wafaa> look
[00:59] <AnnaZ> out of 263 people here probably 0.0001 persons use it on average :D
[01:00] <wafaa> the software was
[01:00] <wafaa> properly installed right
[01:00] <wafaa> then
[01:00] <wafaa> there's 2 folders
[01:00] <wafaa> 1 containing the dictionaries
[01:01] <wafaa> and the other one contains the executable parts
[01:02] <BluesKaj> !enter |wafaa,
[01:02] <wafaa> ok
[01:03] <wafaa> then to make it possible to run the giza software from any folder
[01:03] <wafaa> we shld use the instruction export ..........
[01:04] <wafaa> then we shld do the instruction source (name of the file.env)
[01:05] <wafaa> AnnaZ: do u have now an idea abt wht am talking abt
[01:05] <AnnaZ> this sounds just about right. source will execute the export statements in the current shell, and then they are valid during that shell session only.
[01:06] <wafaa> yesssssssssssss
[01:06] <wafaa> now u got it
[01:06] <wafaa> the prob
[01:06] <AnnaZ> so when you start your program in that same shell (bash, zsh, whatever) session, it will see the environment variables as specified.
[01:06] <AnnaZ> no, now you explained it.
[01:07] <AnnaZ> i'm technically versed but not a mindreader.
[01:07] <wafaa> i dnt need mindreader
[01:07] <AnnaZ> you can place the export statements or into .bashrc to make them "stick"
[01:07] <wafaa> but
[01:07] <AnnaZ> statements or the source statement
[01:08] <wafaa> well AnnaZ
[01:08] <wafaa> are we supposed to execute the file.env
[01:08] <wafaa> in the source folder or in the destination folder
[01:09] <AnnaZ> depends on how it's written.
[01:09] <AnnaZ> if it has any `pwd` or so the location would matter
[01:09] <AnnaZ> if not, probably not.
[01:09] <xevious> I'm running 8.04 and would like to upgrade to 10.04, however Adept Manager is offering to upgrade me to 9.10 when I click Version Upgrade. How do I get the Version Upgrade button to do a 10.04 upgrade? (Or do I have to upgrade to 9.10 and then 10.04?)
[01:10] <DarthFrog> xevious: 9.04 -> 9.10 -> 10.4
[01:10] <Typos_King> xevious:     I'd rather advise you get the .iso and do a full install instead
[01:10] <wafaa> look we have 2 folders
[01:10] <wafaa> right
[01:11] <AnnaZ> xevious: i don't recommend upgrading that far at all. i suggest taking your home directory, your /usr/local, and perhaps some of customized /etc files, and restoring them on a new system
[01:11] <AnnaZ> xevious: i recommend transitioning to ext4 at the same time too. it's GREAT.
[01:11] <AnnaZ> the performance is amazing.
[01:11] <wafaa> the foldsrc
[01:11] <wafaa> and the folderdest
[01:11] <xevious> Not an option.
[01:11] <AnnaZ> wafaa: why don't you ask people actively using the program?
[01:12] <xevious> This is my mother's computer. I'm coaching her via Skype.
[01:12] <AnnaZ> xevious: this sounds like a tough situation. there is very likely to be breakage.
[01:12] <wafaa> well it's a new project
[01:12] <DarthFrog> xevious: Urk! It's gonna screw up and need personal TLC.
[01:12] <wafaa> and unfortunately am the first and only one on this project
[01:12] <Typos_King> xevious:     would you rather try the upgrade and leave her with a blank screen?
[01:13] <wafaa> ok AnnaZ
[01:13] <Typos_King> you seem to think your upgrade somehow is going to go better than usual
[01:13] <wafaa> thnk u any way
[01:13] <AnnaZ> wafaa: the program has existed since, what, 2001
[01:13] <wafaa> i know
[01:13] <AnnaZ> wafaa: there certainly should be a few dozen users of it somewhere.
[01:13] <AnnaZ> just not HERE.
[01:14] <wafaa> i guess yes
[01:14] <wafaa> the problem is tht there's not tht much info related to giza++
[01:15] <AnnaZ> actually i could look through the source and find out all you need, but i don't think i'm gonna do this for free.
[01:15] <wafaa> it's not like windows or linux
[01:15] <wafaa> well if came to this chatroom
[01:16] <wafaa> it means i dnt earn enough money to buy the answer
[01:16] <wafaa> any way
[01:17] <wafaa> thnks AnnaZ for your efforts
[01:32] <Scunizi> How do I do a screen capture of a window?
[01:45] <AnnaZ> Scunizi: there is this mode in ksnapshot.
[01:45] <AnnaZ> you can call ksnapshot if you press print screen button
[01:45] <Scunizi> AnnaZ: thanks I'll look at it..
[01:46] <AnnaZ> oh and the window may not be covered by any others
[01:46] <AnnaZ> else you'll get all windows above within the outline of the window you selected.
[01:47] <Scunizi> ok.. that I kinda figured.. it's gotta be focused.
[01:48] <AnnaZ> capture mode -> window under cursor, then new snapshot, then click on a window.
[02:01] <amichair> I just finished the upgrade from karmic to lucid, after restart, I have a blank desktop. Any thoughts?
[02:03] <amichair> (by blank, I mean the entire screen is black)
[02:11] <AnnaZ> any further information on what you're running on?
[02:11] <AnnaZ> .oO(and perhaps it's the time when you delete xorg.conf)
[02:11] <amichair> AnnaZ: amd64?
[02:12] <amichair> AnnaZ: display is ok, I have konsole and konversation working
[02:12] <amichair> but nothing else on screen (desktop, taskbar, etc.)
[02:12] <amichair> everything is black
[02:13] <doleyb> Help, when I had karmic the window manager would correctly handle external displays, but with lucid it does not..
[02:24] <mase_wk> doleyb: Hi, That probably isn't enough information for anyone in this channel to help you with.Can you provide us with some additional information like what you mean by correctly. The behaviour has obviously changed however we do not know what behaviour you previously had
[02:27] <AnnaZ> amichair: i have heard of similar problems, apparently you don't have plasma installed in recent version.
[02:28] <AnnaZ> amichair: reinstalling plasma should help.
[02:29] <amichair> AnnaZ: when I try to, it says unmet dependencies linux-restricted-modules-common no installable for linux-restricted-modules-2.6.27-11-generic. Any idea what this means?
[02:30] <AnnaZ> o.O that is just weird.
[02:30] <amichair> maybe some old kernel leftovers
[02:31] <amichair> (I've been upgrading since Intrepid)
[02:31] <AnnaZ> apparently, and what could you have been using of restricted kernel drivers? graphics chip driver, wlan driver...
[02:31] <amichair> maybe I can just uninstall the old kernels
[02:32] <amichair> can I safely apt-get remove it?
[02:33] <AnnaZ> yes.
[02:34] <AnnaZ> i think so.
[02:34] <AnnaZ> actually ext4 is SO great, pity you haven't installed anew.
[02:35] <amichair> how does its greatness show?
[02:36] <AnnaZ> it's just fast i suppose.
[02:36] <AnnaZ> and it doesn't have new problems.
[02:37] <AnnaZ> besides you can't read every file when you mount it under windows  -.-
[02:38] <amichair> AnnaZ: indeed, it looks like plasma desktop was not installed, nor kde-workspace
[02:40] <amichair> ah, that's better. thanks AnnaZ!
[02:41] <amichair> next, the upgrade removed the subversion user group for some reason :-/
[02:41] <AnnaZ> lol
[02:42] <amichair> I wish I was joking :-)
[02:49] <amichair> where can I find the upgrade log?
[02:53] <jacob__> who are Chinese here?
[02:54] <amichair> !cn
[02:54] <amichair> probably better luck there :-)
[02:54] <jacob__> thanks a lot
[03:17] <Guest50524> how can i change the translucency level on the kbar?
[03:17] <darkdelusions> any one good with nfs? :)
[03:45] <amichair> !skype
[03:59] <darkdelusions> does anyone know if there is a plasmoid for the transmission web interface?
[04:00] <darkdelusions> I googled and didnt find anything
[04:06] <seck> hi
[04:06] <seck> i need to install nvidia driver
[04:13] <ForgeAus> find hardware in the kickoff menu (k-menu)
[04:14] <ForgeAus> generally under applications-system
[04:15] <seck> finally is installedthe driver but the aceleration 3d isnt working some idea to help me?
[04:15] <satch5150> hi all, is there a prog to probe the cdrom drive for it's entire specs, like model, chispet, firmware version, etc. ?
[04:20] <seck> somebody can help me?
[04:20] <iconmefisto> satch5150: I think k3b shows that info in it's settings. there's also lshw (commandline)
[04:21] <satch5150> iconmefisto: thank you :)
[04:23] <seck> VALIDATION ERROR: Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[04:23] <seck>                   Undefined Device "(null)" referenced by Screen "Default Screen".
[04:23] <seck> sh: pkg-config: not found
[04:23] <seck> ERROR: Unable to write to directory '/etc/X11'.
[04:23] <seck> Using: command not found
[04:23] <FloodBotK1> seck: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:26] <Guest24989> I need help please: Knetwork manager suddenly stoped working in my kubuntu laptop. I give thanks I have another laptop... whats going on? (10.04)
[04:37] <darkdelusions> .
[05:23] <rackIT> *
[05:41] <ForgeAus> hmm..
[05:44] <cuchy> Hola
[05:44] <bawww> does anyone know why Thunderbird looks so ugly in Kubuntu?
[05:45] <bawww> seems like there's an issue with the font rendering...
[05:45] <bawww> cuchy: hi
[05:45] <DarthFrog> bawww: I have Tbird open right now.  Looks fine to me.
[05:46] <bawww> DarthFrog: would it possible for you to link a screenshot?
[05:46] <cuchy> hii
[05:46] <bawww> better yet, let me post my screenshot
[05:46] <cuchy> bawww
[05:48] <DarthFrog> bawww: DCC Send open to you.
[05:48] <bawww> accepted
[05:49] <bawww> at 0% still
[05:49] <bawww> bayimg.com or imageshack?
[05:57] <rolsworth> i have the creative xfi xtremegamer and the sound quality is terrible in ubuntu. anything i can do to fix it?
[06:01] <darkdelusions__> Horray I fixed my plymoth so it not all jacked up :)
[06:01] <darkdelusions__> thank you google :)
[06:03] <darkdelusions__> Now my kubuntu splash screen doesnt look all messed up when I reboot :)
[06:10] <chx> hi. I am here to ask for directions on how can i help solving https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/579083
[06:10] <CartoonCat> Hellos
[06:11] <eagles0513875> !hi | CartoonCat
[06:11] <CartoonCat> Anyone else seeing horribly high mem use for dbus-daemon and nepomukserver fileindexer ?
[06:12] <CartoonCat> fileindexer was up to 1.1GB ram, 2.5GB Virt and stoped responding fast enough, so i killed it. dbus is 1.2GB virt and 900m ram
[06:12] <eagles0513875> chx: devs are away this week at uds some might be around but you just have to wait
[06:15] <chx> eagles0513875: okay
[06:16] <chx> eagles0513875: I mean, I know a bit about Linux and a real lot about open source development so I am eager to give a good bug report. This is not a bug report I would like.
[06:17] <bawww> DarthFrog: have you tried out Thunderbird 3.1 beta 2 yet?
[06:19] <eagles0513875> chx: its a start the devs could help u with getting it more detailed
[06:19] <chx> eagles0513875: see, there i am stumped. I move the mouse, click the button, nothing.
[06:20] <chx> eagles0513875: the pointer moves but that's it. There is nothing else.
[06:20] <chx> eagles0513875: as said, i even tried xev, moved the pointer inside the window, nada
[06:21] <DarthFrog> bawww: Just whatever is available in Lucid.
[06:21] <chx> eagles0513875: either something that sends mouse events to the rest of the system goes on vacation or the pointer as far as the system is considered is somewhere far off screen and it's only to my eyes on the screen.
[06:21] <eagles0513875> chx: have you tried reconfiguring the xserver
[06:22] <eagles0513875> chx: also is this an upgrade from karmic to lucid? or clean install
[06:22] <chx> eagles0513875: upgrade -- good point to include
[06:22] <chx> eagles0513875: reconfigure like what?
[06:22] <chx> eagles0513875: there is no xorg.conf any more.
[06:24] <eagles0513875> chx: i dont know the xorg subsystem too whel except on the side of graphics drivers :(
[06:24] <eagles0513875> chx: do you have your video card drivers installed?
[06:25] <bawww> DarthFrog: it's pretty good, just came out today., they have some sort of new filter system and ui improvements
[06:25] <chx> eagles0513875: (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so is this what you are asking?
[06:25] <chx> eagles0513875: this is an Intel GM45
[06:26] <chx> eagles0513875: (II) intel(0): Integrated Graphics Chipset: Intel(R) GM45
[06:26] <DarthFrog> bawww: I look forward to the day that Kmail treats HTML properly, so I can use it again.
[06:26] <chx> eagles0513875: but note that i attached an Xorg.0.log as the only thing that has something in it. not much.
[06:26] <bawww> DarthFrog: what do you mean?
[06:27] <bawww> it displays HTML pretty well
[06:28] <DarthFrog> bawww: Oh it displays it OK.  Try forwarding or editing a received HTML email.
[06:28] <bawww> really, i'll have to test it out
[06:32] <eagles0513875> chx:  i know there were some serious regressions a lil while back im not sure if they are surfacing again with lucid or not :( as i dont have an intel integrated chipset
[06:34] <nicio> need help i mount my hdd on the desktop but i cant acess it,it say You do not have access rights to this location.
[06:36] <eagles0513875> RaGNORAK: ping
[07:16] <avishek> I'm using Kubuntu 9.10, with my /home mounted on /dev/sdb1 (external hard disk). How can I ensure that my system mounts my /home partition on the internal HDD if the external HDD is not available?
[07:16] <bawww> does anyone have a good solution for everyday tasks syncing?
[07:18] <bawww> avishek: so you have a backup of the /home on the external?
[07:18] <eagles0513875> bawww: you mean run certain tasks at a given point in time
[07:18] <bawww> oh let me clarify it's like a To-Do task
[07:19] <avishek> bawww: I use my external as my primary /home.
[07:20] <avishek> bawww: If I comment out the specific line in fstab, then my internal /home is used. I would like to make this switch automatic if the external is not available
[07:21] <bawww> avishek: what would be the easiest is to use symbolic linking with the external and make the internal your main, and you can store most of your data on the external.
[07:22] <chx> eagles0513875: do you have a link maybe?
[07:23] <avishek> bawww: Thank you, it never occurred to me. But suppose the external is not available; in that case will there be any problem if I use symbolic links?
[07:24] <bawww> avishek: as long as they're not files applications depend on, which is mostly stored in your ~/.kde (if you're using the latest Kubuntu)
[07:25] <bawww> and for non-qt applications it may vary, but if your only using the external for personal files like pictures, music, and documents then you should be a ok
[07:25] <avishek> bawww: thank you! I'll try it out.
[07:26] <bawww> np
[07:28] <eagles0513875> chx: no i dont :(
[07:31] <mauricio> nesesito recuperar el grub en mi ubuntu 9.10 alguien me puede ayudar
[07:33] <engelb> Guten Morgen
[07:33] <mauricio> me urge estube googleando
[07:42] <realpeople> good day, is there anybody that can help me on Ekiga? i am trying to send video from one ekiga to another ekiga via sip account loaded, voice is great but no video??
[07:47] <nfrs> hi
[07:48] <nfrs> do-release-upgrade from karmic to lucid gives me the following: "The package 'update-manager' is marked for removal but it is in the removal blacklist."
[07:49] <nfrs> tried to nail down the problem by replacing all 'karmic' with 'lucid' in sources.list and discovered that "apt-get install mountall" says "E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on mountall"
[07:50] <nfrs> don't know how to proceed from here...
[07:54] <moetunes> nfrs: evidently you need a   -d   on the end of do-release-upgrade
[07:54] <nfrs> moetunes: tried that
[07:55] <moetunes> undo the changes you made to sources.list 'cause that is never good and try it then
[07:55] <nfrs> moetunes: fails with the same error
[07:56] <eagles0513875> nfrs: what ya trying to do upgrade
[07:56] <eagles0513875> !upgrade | nfrs
[07:56] <eagles0513875> nfrs: see the last link
[07:56] <iconmefisto> nfrs: look at this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/572634
[07:57] <nfrs> moetunes: still same error
[07:59] <nfrs> iconmefisto: I'm pretty sure that workaround only applies in case when you're doing offline upgrade
[07:59] <nfrs> but I'm doing online upgrade
[07:59] <moetunes> nfrs: evidently   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -d    should work - I never upgrade just do fresh installs
[08:00] <nfrs> moetunes: well, it doesn't
[08:00] <moetunes> nfrs: same error?
[08:00] <nfrs> moetunes: yep
[08:01] <moetunes> nfrs: is there a blacklist file in   /etc/apt   ?
[08:02] <nfrs> moetunes: no
[08:03] <nfrs> moetunes: ahha. I think I nailed it
[08:04] <moetunes> o
[08:04] <moetunes> I'm googling about it atm
[08:04] <nfrs> I had /etc/apt/preferences file setting high priority to python package from a ppa repository
[08:04] <nfrs> not sure why did I add it there
[08:05] <nfrs> now it says I'm out of disk space, so I'm going to clean up and see if it works
[08:05] <moetunes> nfrs: luck :]
[08:05] <nfrs> hmm. 6 GB not enough for upgrade?!
[08:08] <stephan> Hello everyone!
[08:11] <iconmefisto> nfrs: maybe you could burn a alternative install iso and install from that?
[08:12] <nfrs> iconmefisto: thanks, I've fixed the problem
[08:13] <nfrs> iconmefisto: my /etc/apt/preferences file had a line that told apt to prefer python from a ppa
[08:13] <iconmefisto> nfrs: and the disk space problem?
[08:14] <nfrs> iconmefisto: it ran out of space on /boot
[08:14] <nfrs> so I just uninstalled an older kernel
[08:14] <iconmefisto> ok
[08:14] <moetunes> 6GB for /boot?
[08:14] <nfrs> no, I was confused, I thought it didn't have enough space on /
[08:15] <nfrs>  /boot was indeed out of space
[08:15] <moetunes> heh k :]
[08:17] <realpeople> good day, is there anybody that can help me on Ekiga on kubuntu? i am trying to send video from one ekiga to another ekiga via sip account loaded, voice is great but no video??
[08:22] <sadjfklj> hi
[08:22] <sadjfklj> I have a botched install, and need to re-install from the command line.
[08:22] <eagles0513875> !hi | sadjfklj
[08:22] <sadjfklj> Is there anyway to fake do-release-upgrade?
[08:23] <eagles0513875> sadjfklj: botched how
[08:23] <sadjfklj> do upgrade died at 16% to go, and now when I reboot i get the kerner can't find init.
[08:24] <eagles0513875> sadjfklj: humm im not sure
[08:25] <iconmefisto> sadjfklj: boot with a 9.10 livecd and chroot, then try upgrading again?
[08:25] <sadjfklj> I have tried semi re-install (i.e. chrooted into the enviroment) but the system think I have lucid and not karmic.
[08:26] <sadjfklj> so do-release-upgrade does nothing.
[08:26] <iconmefisto> sadjfklj: did you use a 9.10 karmic livecd?
[08:26] <sadjfklj> no suse livecd
[08:27] <stefan___> yo
[08:27] <sadjfklj> it's what I had on hand
[08:27] <stefan___> been ages  since i been here
[08:27] <stefan___> is this place still as dead as always
[08:28] <iconmefisto> sadjfklj: I'm just guessing now, don't know if it will work or make things worse, but you could try editing sources.list and change everything from lucid back to karmic
[08:29] <sadjfklj> thanks, did that, I also changed the lsb_release back to karmic, but somehow do-release-upgrade still thinks I'm lucid
[08:29] <iconmefisto> sadjfklj: how about manually installing a lucid kernel?
[08:30] <iconmefisto> sadjfklj: when upgrade died, was it downloading packages, or it had started installing them?
[08:30] <robwlo531> hi there, the Kubuntu 10.04 is not working on a Clevo M570U(somtimes sold as Nexoc Osiris E703 III) notebook. although plymouth is working and ksplash is showing up, afterwards the screen remains black and only the mouse is visible. does anybody have any ideas about what's going on there?
[08:30] <robwlo531> I meant the Live CD
[08:31] <sadjfklj> try that as well, actually I had a problem with apt complaining about broken and unconfigured packages (some library libdrm-nouveau), so i tried removing that, which took removed most of the system.
[08:31] <sadjfklj> I then installed kubuntu-desktop, and then the kernel image, which completed fine
[08:31] <sadjfklj> But i still have the error
[08:32] <sadjfklj> either I have a problem with the grub configuration (because the initramfs image is there) or I'm missing some package
[08:32] <moetunes> tried to do an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[08:33] <moetunes> ?
[08:33] <sadjfklj> iconmefisto: the install dies during package installation, the download succeeded
[08:33] <iconmefisto> sadjfklj: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:33] <sadjfklj> moetunes: yup
[08:33] <sadjfklj> iconmefisto: yup
[08:35] <sadjfklj> can I get somebody to paste a copy of the grub menu entry to compare pls?
[08:36] <iconmefisto> sadjfklj: grub.cfg ? or /etc/default/grub ?
[08:37] <iconmefisto> http://pastebin.com/hMCEZfYx (grub.cfg)
[08:37] <sadjfklj> iconmefisto: both if possible
[08:37] <iconmefisto> http://pastebin.com/jNL2nL7K /etc/default/grub
[08:40] <iconmefisto> sadjfklj: lines 10, 21, 32 of /etc/default/grub I have edited/customised
[08:41] <sadjfklj> iconmefisto: do you have your root (/) and boot in the same partition?
[08:41] <iconmefisto> sadjfklj: yes
[08:44] <sadjfklj> question on grub: both the linux and the initrd load their files from the boot partition correct?
[08:45] <sadjfklj> i.e. i don't have the /boot prefix that you have on your files, but I assume that since it loaded the kernel it is also capable of loading the initrd image?
[08:58] <gunsofbrixton> hi, there once was an option to download all updates in the background... is that option still available?
[08:59] <iconmefisto> sadjfklj: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-22-generic is what I have, and in / there is vmlinuz which is linked to that initrd file
[08:59] <iconmefisto> rwxrwxrwx   1 root root      30 2010-04-15 11:29 vmlinuz.old -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-21-generic
[09:00] <iconmefisto> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root      30 2010-04-30 05:55 vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-22-generic
[09:01] <iconmefisto> sadjfklj: *not linked to initrd file, but as I have pasted above ^^ (sorry if I confused you)
[09:09] <sadjfklj> iconmefisto: I think the problem might be that root is being correctly defined in the grub configuration
[09:09] <sadjfklj> I need to reboot to try
[09:20] <abhifx> hi there. its look like compiz is running in my kde.. how can i stop it. please help
[09:20] <Tm_T> abhifx: see your ~/.config/autostart/ folder if there's anything related to it
[09:21] <Tm_T> abhifx: also see systemsettings -> default applications -> window manager
[09:22] <abhifx> Tm_T, yes kwin is default
[09:22] <Tm_T> abhifx: did you have anything related in autostart folder ?
[09:22] <abhifx> Tm_T, but if i change the autostart, compiz stops in other de too
[09:23] <Tm_T> abhifx: untrue, you need just to edit it to not start in KDE (:
[09:23] <abhifx> there is an autostart folder
[09:24] <abhifx> Tm_T, 1st of all... thank you for trying to help me
[09:26] <Tm_T> that's the purpose of this channel (:
[09:27] <Tm_T> abhifx: so you have compiz related file in that folder? open it in text editor
[09:27] <abhifx> Tm_T, its open
[09:28] <abhifx> Tm_T, there are the lines in there COMPIZ_BIN_PATH="/usr/bin/"
[09:28] <abhifx> PLUGIN_PATH="/usr/lib/compiz/"
[09:28] <abhifx> COMPIZ_NAME="compiz.real"
[09:31] <Tm_T> abhifx: ye, add line ShowIn=GNOME;XFCE; (or other sessions you like to support)
[09:32] <Tm_T> abhifx: or NotShowIn=KDE;
[09:32] <abhifx> Tm_T, that is exactly what i wanted. man you are great. thank you so much
[09:34] <abhifx> Tm_T, notshowin works? thats even better. thank you so much
[09:34] <Tm_T> abhifx: ye, only one of those, not both can be used so latter is better
[09:35] <abhifx> Tm_T, yeah later is definitely better.. you know your are the 1st one who has helped in kubuntu irc. i am very grateful
[09:39] <deenooo> My taskbar has a wallpaper on it...how do I get rid of it?
[09:39] <Tm_T> deenooo: as you asked in #ubuntu too, I have to ask, do you use KDE or GNOME ?
[09:40] <deenooo> Tm_T: I'm using KDE that's why I quickly came here :)
[09:41] <Kolia> deenooo: you're sure you are not seeing the wallpaper through the taskbar (=panel i guess?) ?
[09:41] <deenooo> I have the default KDE 4 wallpaper and on the taskbar I have a compaq black wallpaper :/
[09:42] <Tm_T> deenooo: righto, then, systemsettings -> appearance -> style -> second tab (desktop ...) and try some other style, might be part of the style
[09:43] <deenooo> Unfortunately, that doesn't help :(
[09:43] <Tm_T> deenooo: in that case, take a screenshot please, so we'll see what's the thing (:
[09:45] <ads> Did someone successfull install kubuntu 10.4 in vmware?
[09:48] <deenooo> Tm_T: http://i40.tinypic.com/indfrc.png
[09:48] <Kolia> hehe
[09:49] <Tm_T> deenooo: aah that one, it's a bug
[09:49] <Kolia> deenooo: nice effect, how do you do that? :p
[09:49] <deenooo> Kolia: I want to get rid of it :(
[09:49] <Tm_T> pixmap caching isn't acting nicely
[09:49] <deenooo> Tm_T: And the fix?
[09:49] <Kolia> deenooo: i was kidding ;)
[09:49] <deenooo> Kolia: I know :D
[09:49] <Tm_T> deenooo: switch some other desktop theme on, relogin, switch back and pray
[09:50] <Kolia> Tm_T: is that related to a particular KDE version?
[09:50] <Kolia> can't it be updated?
[09:50] <Tm_T> deenooo: if that doesn't help, we'll go remove pixmap cache a bit harsher way
[09:50] <Kolia> i've never seen this bug
[09:51] <deenooo> Tm_T: How do I change theme?
[09:51] <deenooo> i mean which one do I change to?
[09:51] <deenooo> desktop style?
[09:51] <Tm_T> deenooo: ye, to something else, you choose (:
[09:51] <Tm_T> Kolia: no idea if it's version related, I have seen it happen, and is somehow pixmap cache related issue
[09:52] <deenooo> But I'm updating at the moment and my internet is friggin slow, I don't wanna logout :(
[09:53] <Tm_T> deenooo: mmm, try if resizing panel makes it regenerate those pixmaps
[09:56] <deenooo> that somewhat fixed it but I still have the image in there but now its grey like the taskbar
[09:58] <Tm_T> deenooo: fun
[10:09] <ussher> anyone use netbeans on kubuntu?
[10:10] <ussher> wondering if there is something that i have done wrong with my install that is causing just my installation to not allow copy/paste from firefox to the editor
[10:17] <deenooo> Damn battery died :(
[10:17] <deenooo> it's fine now :/
[10:27] <kjeldahl> So anybody got any pointers to sound setup in kubuntu, specifically getting flash to play when the rest of KDE using phonon already works?
[10:31] <kehna> How would I go about changing the command field for skype in Kubuntu? I wish to have it load a script instead of launch skype first.
[10:51] <massimo_> PROVA
[10:54] <moetunes> !it | massimo_
[10:57] <scq> hello
[11:23] <ubuntu_> hello
[11:23] <veena> what is this
[11:24] <moetunes> !hi
[11:25] <moetunes> veena: it is the support channel for kubuntu
[11:26] <veena> ok i got
[11:28] <_LittleSimon_> Hi all. ^^
[11:29] <_LittleSimon_> I'm from Italy and I've just installed Ubuntu 10.4. (:
[11:29] <_LittleSimon_> Just a problem: Empathy. It doesn't connect on MSN. ._.
[11:29] <_LittleSimon_> I'm using Pidgin right now.
[11:39] <eagles0513875> !enter | _LittleSimon_
[11:41] <funcrush> Title in kmail is broken when i received a mail from server. but after double clicking, I can see the title correctly. It is so inconvenient.... the mail account uses IMAP. How can I see the title of a mail fisrt?
[11:43] <jagged> high
[11:44] <jagged> i'm quite new tu ubuntu /debian based stuff... and wondering how to install kde 3 on ubuntu 10.04...
[11:45]  * |LittleSim_Away| se ne va!
[11:45] <jagged> it's not to be found in synaptic and companies, so i guess i need to specify some special repo?
[11:46] <moetunes> !away | |LittleSim_Away|
[11:49]  * _LittleSimon_ e' tornato!
[11:50] <moetunes> jagged: from here - http://easylinux.info/wiki/Ubuntu:Lucid - sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kde3-maintainers   and   sudo apt-get update   and   sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop-kde3
[11:51] <jagged> thanks !!! quite great!!! well, if it works... but i assume it will... will tell you then, moetunes...
[11:51] <moetunes> luck :]
[11:53] <sadjfklj> hi, does anybody know what could stop the initrd image from loading when grub boots?
[11:54] <jagged> on apt-get update: failed to fetch ...kde3... ... 404 not found
[11:54] <eagles0513875> sadjfklj: check /etc/fstab
[11:54] <eagles0513875> !kde3 | jagged
[11:55] <amichair> after upgrade karmic->lucid the microphone doesn't work (skype), how do I fix it?
[11:55] <sadjfklj> eagles0513875: sorry, what should I be looking for?
[11:55] <eagles0513875> amichair: checked the settings
[11:55] <eagles0513875> sadjfklj: initrd image has to be listed in teh fstab
[11:55] <kjeldahl> Just in case this gets logged and others have a problem with Kubuntu and flash audio; replacing the default xine audio backend with phonon-backend-gstreamer seems to have solved it. YMMV.
[11:55] <amichair> eagles0513875: check for what?
[11:56] <Hazamonzo> Hey folks... I need some help. I recently just replaced my Nvidia 8800 GT with an ATI Radeon... how might i go about installing the drivers for this new card? I can't get into he x server. I tried to search for some kind of ATI drivers / files in the repo but no luck
[11:56] <jagged> thanks eagles0513875, but this gadget is a netbook, preinstalles, no optical, and no usb drive at hand, so i must go with 10.04 first... otherwise i had already installed suse... ;-)
[11:56] <eagles0513875> amichair: check the settings for the microfone
[11:56] <Hazamonzo> Im not familiar with upgrading drivers for graphics in ubuntu...
[11:56] <eagles0513875> jagged: are you on a netbook right now?
[11:57] <jagged> yes, eagles0513875...
[11:57] <sadjfklj> eagles0513875: it's not there, but to say the truth, I have never seen it there before. Can you show me a copy of you fstab entry?
[11:57] <eagles0513875> jagged: if you want a netbook version of kde4 install kubuntu-netbook metapackage
[11:57] <eagles0513875> !netbook | jagged
[11:57] <eagles0513875> jagged: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-netbook
[11:57] <eagles0513875> sadjfklj: hold on
[11:58] <jagged> eagles0513875: but i prefer kicker over plasma :-)
[11:58] <Hazamonzo> !ati
[11:58] <eagles0513875> jagged: 4.4 and plasma have come along way since 4.0
[11:58] <jagged> eagles0513875: that's why i want to get back to and install kde 3.something
[11:59] <eagles0513875> jagged: im not much help then :(
[11:59] <jagged> eagles0513875: thanks a lot anyway!
[11:59] <Hazamonzo> flgrx might look like what i need
[11:59] <eagles0513875> sadjfklj: i dont have im on grub 2
[11:59] <Hazamonzo> Who knows? :D
[11:59] <eagles0513875> sadjfklj: your better off doing a clean install
[11:59] <moetunes> jagged: http://ppa.launchpad.net/kde3-maintainers/ppa/ubuntu/dists/   says lucid hasn't got a kde3 ppa yet sorry
[11:59] <eagles0513875> Hazamonzo: you wanna install your video card driver right
[12:01] <sadjfklj> eagles0513875: lose everything, I would rather shoot myself :)
[12:01] <Hazamonzo> eagles0513875: Indeed. I replaced my Nvidia card just recently
[12:02] <moetunes> jagged: found it - add   deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kde3-maintainers/trinity-svn-nightly/ubuntu/dists/lucid/ main   to /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:02] <Hazamonzo> so im thinking of taking a shot at sudo apt-get install fglrx
[12:02] <Hazamonzo> see what happens :)
[12:04] <amichair> eagles0513875: How do I know what the right settings are? it worked on karmic, and now it doesn't. I tried installing latest skype (beta 2.1) straight from skype site, but still no go. do I need pulseaudio or anything else too?
[12:04] <eagles0513875> amichair: on skype 2.1 beta i have them set all to default except my mic which is a usb device as its part of my webcam
[12:04]  * eagles0513875 needs to install skype again actually
[12:05] <amichair> eagles0513875: it shows only pulseaudio and doesn't let me change back to default :-(
[12:06] <amichair> (I installed and uninstalled PA briefly to see if it solves the problem, which it didn't)
[12:06] <eagles0513875> run the test call
[12:06] <eagles0513875> thats what i use to test my settings
[12:06] <amichair> eagles0513875: it doesn't record, playback is ok
[12:06] <eagles0513875> its not picking up ur goice
[12:06] <eagles0513875> voice
[12:07] <Hazamonzo> .
[12:07] <eagles0513875> amichair: when u installed it on karmic did you use the static or dynamic package or the ubuntu package that they have available the link of 8.10
[12:07] <amichair> eagles0513875: although regardless of skype, if I talk into the mic I do hear it output in the earphones, so something is getting through to somewhere...
[12:07] <eagles0513875> Hazamonzo: ?
[12:08] <eagles0513875> amichair: then the problem is with skype uninstall skype
[12:08] <amichair> eagles0513875: I chose the "Ubuntu 8.10+ amd64" link, was that the wrong one?
[12:08] <Hazamonzo> eagles0513875: Sorry, tripped over my network cable. Its anarchy here today
[12:08] <eagles0513875> amichair: are you on 32bit or 64bit ubuntu
[12:08] <eagles0513875> Hazamonzo: its ok
[12:09] <Hazamonzo> eagles0513875: So i just decided to try and install fglrx to see what happens. I guess a restart would be a good idea now
[12:09] <eagles0513875> Hazamonzo: yep
[12:09] <eagles0513875> amichair: http://www.skype.com/intl/en/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/post-download/ <---then choose one of the 8.10 packages i use that and it works fine for me
[12:10] <mistrynitesh> just wondering what it would be like to install selinux on my jaunty machine. It requires removal of apparmor. Should I expect problems?
[12:10] <Hazamonzo> eagles0513875: Dang... same thing. im trown into a terminal (tty2)
[12:10] <Hazamonzo> *thrown
[12:10] <amichair> eagles0513875: how do I uninstall previous one? it was installed with kgdebsomething
[12:10] <eagles0513875> gdeb
[12:10] <Hazamonzo> ctrl+f7 just have a blinking .... ummm prompt
[12:10] <eagles0513875> amichair: do you still have the backage
[12:11] <amichair> eagles0513875: yep
[12:11] <eagles0513875> amichair: forget uninstalling you should be able to use same package to reinstall it
[12:11] <amichair> eagles0513875: the link u sent me is the one I downloaded from (Ubuntu 8.10+ 64-bit)
[12:11] <eagles0513875> amichair: try reinstallign it
[12:11] <eagles0513875> it works for me just fine on a clean install
[12:12] <amichair> eagles0513875: ok, trying. btw, thanks for ur time and help :-)
[12:12] <Hazamonzo> eagles0513875: Im thinking a clean install might be the way for me to go to
[12:12] <eagles0513875> amichair: no problem
[12:12] <eagles0513875> Hazamonzo: did you upgrade from karmic
[12:13] <jagged> moetunes: sorry for late, was busy searching myself, but then i got it and the update worked... now trying to install... trhanks again...
[12:13] <Hazamonzo> eagles0513875: afriad not
[12:13] <Hazamonzo> 9.10 here
[12:13] <moetunes> woot!
[12:14] <amichair> eagles0513875: it sill shows only PA option available (and PA is not installed)
[12:14] <jagged> moetunes: it's at least downloading :-)
[12:14] <mistrynitesh> installing selinux removes apparomor, should i go ahead?
[12:14] <eagles0513875> Hazamonzo: ahhh ok
[12:15] <eagles0513875> amichair: is the mic integrated into a webcam
[12:15] <jagged> now the question is how to turn everything into 64bit :-/
[12:15] <Hazamonzo> eagles0513875: I know 10.4 has been released but im not a huge fan of upgrading right away... you think i should just bite the bullet and go for it?
[12:16] <amichair> eagles0513875: no, earphone+mic headset plugged into front panel jacks
[12:16] <moetunes> jagged: 64bit on a netbook?
[12:16] <eagles0513875> have you tried the backones amichair
[12:16] <jagged> moetunes: atom n450 :-)
[12:16] <amichair> eagles0513875: is there a built-in recording app I can use for testing, just to see if the input level are moving?
[12:16] <eagles0513875> amichair: sudo apt-get install audacity
[12:17] <amichair> it would be nice if the sound mixer showed input level bars :-)
[12:17] <eagles0513875> amichair: file a wishlist on kde.org against kmix for that
[12:18] <jagged> i must lend a usb optical from someone... with this solution i can't continue my work while tripping... just write documentation... that's not what i wanted...
[12:18] <nicio> i need help on how to accesse my external HDD its already mounted on the desktop but when i go in it ,it says i dont have rights
[12:18] <eagles0513875> nicio: is it ntfs?
[12:18] <nicio> i tink so
[12:18] <nicio> cant remember been a while since i plug it in my laptop
[12:19] <amichair> eagles0513875: I shall. No recording in audacity either (I tried devices->recording->default and the specific HDA options too)
[12:21] <eagles0513875> !audio amichair
[12:21] <eagles0513875> !audio | amichair
[12:21] <eagles0513875> amichair: try take a read thorough the troubleshooting and see
[12:21] <amichair> eagles0513875: ok, thanks for trying :-)
[12:21] <eagles0513875> if it might shed some light for ya
[12:21] <eagles0513875> no problem
[12:21] <jagged> okay, time to relogin,
[12:22] <jagged> bbs
[12:22] <eagles0513875> dont hesitate to hang around here amichair just in case someone comes in and can help :)
[12:22] <amichair> eagles0513875: oh, I'm handing around here and the dev channel for many months now :-)
[12:22] <nicio> i need help on how to accesse my external HDD its already mounted on the desktop but when i go in it ,it says i dont have rights to accesse my hdd :s
[12:22] <amichair> hanging, that is
[12:24] <nicio> anything i plug on kubuntu as usb storga i can get into it it says i dont have rights :( why  is that ?it's my HDD
[12:27] <Hazamonzo> So folks. i installed fglrx and restarted. No joy though. Im still thrown into a teminal
[12:27] <Hazamonzo> in fact. lets see if i can get a log file instead
[12:27] <Hazamonzo> :)
[12:27] <eagles0513875> Hazamonzo: in terminal try startx
[12:27] <Hazamonzo> eagles0513875: Okidokie
[12:28] <Hazamonzo> eagles0513875: Loads of junk and the error "No screens found"
[12:28] <Hazamonzo> and unable to connect to x server
[12:28] <Hazamonzo> no such process
[12:28] <eagles0513875> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop Hazamonzo
[12:29] <Hazamonzo> eagles0513875: Wow really? Sounds dangerous
[12:29] <Hazamonzo> eagles0513875: Already the latest version
[12:29] <eagles0513875> ok Hazamonzo then im not sure sounds like the driver is the problem
[12:29]  * eagles0513875 lunch time
[12:30] <Hazamonzo> eagles0513875: Okay. Enjoy
[12:36] <vistakiller1> boot time and splash screen is epic fail to 10.04
[12:36] <vistakiller1> i have to machines one desktop with kubuntu and one netbook with ubuntu remix
[12:37] <vistakiller1> both of them have too much time to boot
[12:37] <vistakiller1> is much time to appear the boot splash screen
[12:37] <vistakiller1> the boot time is about 20-30 sec
[12:37] <vistakiller1> i dont know why they say that in lucid we have better boot time
[12:38] <nicio> i need help on how to accesse my external HDD its already mounted on the desktop but when i go in it ,it says i dont have rights and my HDD IS NTFS
[12:41] <nicio> HOW do i gain accesse to my external HDD?
[12:42] <nicio> #ubuntu
[12:43] <nicio> #kubuntu-fr
[12:49] <nicio> i need help on how to accesse my external HDD its already mounted on the desktop but when i go in it ,it says i dont have rights
[12:49] <nicio> >Tm_T
[12:53] <OxFEEDBACC> moetunes: thanks again... it worked quite fine, now i can kick kde3 :-) (btw, my old nick, jagged, is now used by some1 else...)
[12:54] <OxFEEDBACC> bbiafd
[12:54] <moetunes> that's great
[12:54] <ice_age> hi any one with experience to run usb wireless card in ubuntu?
[13:02] <amichair> eagles0513875: nothing seems to work :-(
[13:02] <amichair> Is anyone here familiar with the sound systems in lucid?
[13:02] <Mamarok> amichair: check you have nothing muted in KMix?
[13:03] <amichair> Mamarok: nope. the problem is with the microphone, output works ok. I upgraded from karmic (where everything worked), and now mic doesn't work.
[13:03] <Mamarok> also, check with alsamixer
[13:03] <Mamarok> built in mic or external?
[13:03] <amichair> Mamarok: external headset+mic plugged in front-panel jacks
[13:04] <amichair> (on a desktop with nvidia chipset, alc1200)
[13:04] <Mamarok> there still is a mic channel in KMix, make sure it is not muted and select a proper sound capture
[13:04] <Mamarok> alternatively check with alsamixer
[13:05] <amichair> Mamarok: btw kmix came up with no master slider after the upgrade, had to add it manually in configuration - but I'll report that as a bug separately
[13:05] <Mamarok> amichair: tried the capture with audacity?
[13:05] <Mamarok> my headset works out of the box in Lucid
[13:06] <amichair> Mamarok: yes, neither that nor skype show any input levels. but I do hear myself in earphones when talking into mic
[13:06] <Mamarok> are you using pulseaudio?
[13:06] <amichair> Mamarok: what's this new Jack thing in systemsettings->multimedia? and should I have pulseaudio installed or not?
[13:06] <Mamarok> no, it should work without
[13:07] <Mamarok> which phonon backend do you use?
[13:07] <amichair> Mamarok: PA wasn't installed right after upgrade. I saw a note about skype working with it so I tried installing it, but that didn't help (it's still installed though)
[13:07] <Mamarok> xine should be default in Kubuntu
[13:07] <amichair> dunno about phonon... what should I check?
[13:07] <AnnaZ> i don't think skype uses phonon
[13:07] <Mamarok> Systemsettings -> Multimedia -> Backend
[13:08] <Mamarok> AnnaZ: it works without a problem here
[13:08] <amichair> Mamarok: yeah, it only shows xine
[13:08] <Mamarok> Phonon is the default sound system in KDE
[13:08] <Mamarok> and skype should use the default system
[13:08] <AnnaZ> Mamarok: phonon is a lib, not a deamon. it doesn't requiere all sound routed through it.
[13:08] <Mamarok> if they don't, they do something wrong
[13:08] <sushilcha> um.. i had similar situation as amichair... and i used 'pavucontrol' ..
[13:08] <AnnaZ> nor can it accomplish that.
[13:09] <Mamarok> AnnaZ: still, it is the default sound system, and KDE uses it on startup
[13:09] <sushilcha> mic was mute according to pavucontrol.. and i adjusted.. and it worked fine
[13:09] <amichair> is there a short wiki page on what is alsa/pulseaudio/jack/phonon/xine? it's one big mess in my head - 'something to do with sound'
[13:09] <Mamarok> sushilcha: that is pulseaudio
[13:09] <sushilcha> Mamarok:  yeah rite
[13:09] <Mamarok> here it works without pulseaudio
[13:09] <Mamarok> sorry, I have to run, BBL
[13:09] <AnnaZ> Mamarok: also phonon might not be entirely suitable for voip
[13:10] <AnnaZ> or for games, or for many other uses.
[13:10] <Mamarok> AnnaZ: riight, then why does it work for me?
[13:10] <AnnaZ> skype should speak directly into alsa.
[13:10]  * Mamarok shakeshead and leaves
[13:10] <AnnaZ> into plughw:
[13:10] <AnnaZ> which then takes care of the rest
[13:11] <AnnaZ> amichair: i think you have an alsa/soundcard/mixer problem
[13:11] <mcsmurf> hi, someone can tell me what files I need to change to set nodeadkeys on Kubuntu 9.10? I've read quite a lot about xorg.conf, HAL, console-setup and ...
[13:11] <amichair> sushilcha: That... worked! I just ran pavucontrol, whent to Input Devices, and clicked on the little mute icon, and now it's ok. Strange that kmix, alsamix etc. showed it as unmuted (and did nothing when toggled)!
[13:12] <mcsmurf> now I'm even more confused about what to do :/
[13:12] <sushilcha> amichair: kool :)
[13:12] <Tm_T> amichair: hrr, so you _are_ using pulseaudio then (:
[13:12] <amichair> Tm_T: I'll use whatever works, and now this works :-)  (before installing PA it didn't work either, no matter what mixers and settings I played with)
[13:13] <AnnaZ> skype can use pulseaudio. if it can't it should fall back on alsa, and then onn oss
[13:13] <Tm_T> some cases to get alsa work with apps, some libraries has to be installed
[13:14] <AnnaZ> Tm_T: unlikely. unless you mean aoss, which involves a bit more than just installing it :)
[13:14] <amichair> Tm_T: Now that I know of a working solution, I'm willing to try alternatives if it serves some good purpose (testing, development, problem fixing for other, etc.). Anything u want me to try?
[13:14] <AnnaZ> amichair: naw i think pulse is good.
[13:15] <Tm_T> AnnaZ: not unlikely in case of libsdl, for example
[13:15] <Tm_T> AnnaZ: only pulseaudio support by default
[13:15] <AnnaZ> Tm_T: ubuntuism. there are 10 different dsl versions in the repo.
[13:15] <AnnaZ> one of them can do ALL apis and tries them in sane order.
[13:16] <amichair> am I correct in thinking PA was installed by default in karmic and isn't in lucid? and the Jack thing is also new and installed by default in lucid?
[13:16] <AnnaZ> sdl
[13:16] <AnnaZ> amichair: jack should never be installed by default, it's a pro audio interconnect only.
[13:16] <Tm_T> AnnaZ: indeed, but it's not default
[13:16] <AnnaZ> it's problematic too.
[13:17] <AnnaZ> amichair: pulse is supposedly never installed by default in kubuntu but has been in (gnome) ubuntu for more than 2 years now
[13:17] <amichair> AnnaZ: I definitely didn't have Jack before the upgrade (never heard of it, and I did tinker with sound settings for a while), and it was just there after the upgrade
[13:17] <AnnaZ> amichair: apparently it got pulled in as a dependancy of something. e.g. some program was rebuilt from alsa to jack requierement.
[13:18] <AnnaZ> amichair: don't worry. unless you run it explicitly you can pretend jack isn't there.
[13:19] <AnnaZ> when you run it and when you suffer through its config, it can do amazing things. but it's really not general purpose, since it tends to detach programs connected to it, doesn't attempt to reattach, and might die itself.
[13:19] <AnnaZ> it's all because it's absolutely realtime centric.
[13:19]  * amichair pretends Jack isn't there :-)
[13:20] <gb0> hi
[13:20] <gb0> hi! i got one question: is it possible to generate a download script in kubuntu 10, just like with synaptic? (i don't have internet connection at home)
[13:22] <amichair> I'm now playing with the various configurations, I think the pavucontrol mute button corresponds to a kmix Capture enable button. What's the difference between the 'mic' control (with mute and volume), 'mic boost' (volume), 'capture' (volume and enable/disable), and 'mic (capture)' (volume) controls in kmix? Why 4 controls for a single mic?
[13:22] <AnnaZ> gb0: i guess you'd have to pull in synaptic for that, i recall it being unique feature.
[13:22] <gb0> AnnaZ, tnx for answer. Can i install synaptic offline for Kubuntu?
[13:22] <gb0> i mean, in a .deb package?
[13:23] <amichair> also, if I can now get it to work without pulseaudio, is it better to remove it? is it considered a good or evil package? benign or conflicts with others?
[13:23] <AnnaZ> gb0: it has a few gtk/gnome dependancies, like half a dozen or so, and if you're careful, perhaps -.-
[13:23] <gb0> :(
[13:23] <AnnaZ> amichair: what do you wonder is considered evil?
[13:24] <amichair> AnnaZ: PA
[13:24] <AnnaZ> gb0: they are not huge though.
[13:24] <AnnaZ> amichair: i don't think it's evil. it was hopelessly broken 2 years ago, but now it seems to harmonize the linux soundsystems pretty nicely.
[13:24] <gb0> AnnaZ, i have seen a program called kivix or something like that, for downloading programs
[13:24] <AnnaZ> amichair: also it replaces alsa dmix which was fairly bad.
[13:25] <amichair> AnnaZ: is the general ubuntu and/or kubuntu recommendation to install or uninstall it?
[13:26] <Tm_T> amichair: in Ubuntu, use, in Kubuntu, if you can live without it, then good, but with it is also good iff it works
[13:26] <AnnaZ> amichair: ubuntu (gnome) cannot even run properly without pulseaudio. kubuntu was problematic prior to kde 3.3 or 3.4, but nowadays cooperation should be ok.
[13:26] <Tm_T> AnnaZ: you mean 4.
[13:26]  * Tm_T hides
[13:26] <AnnaZ> ehr 4.3 and 4.4 respectively
[13:26] <AnnaZ> yeah shoot me.
[13:26] <AnnaZ> not literally like.
[13:26] <AnnaZ> but whatever.
[13:27] <AnnaZ> i need mah coffeeeee
[13:27] <amichair> well I'll just leave it as it is for now, and deal with it next time something breaks :-)
[13:28] <AnnaZ> kubuntu not deploying pulse by default seems more tradition that reason nowadays.
[13:29] <amichair> AnnaZ, Tm_T, amarok, sushilcha: Thanks for all ur help and explanations! only 12 hours of fixing up after upgrade, and everything is working again. (it's funny some linux users would call that 'a flawless upgrade' ;-) )
[13:29] <AnnaZ> amichair: oh and about that many controls in alsa-based mixers...
[13:29] <AnnaZ> there must be a pair of playback controls for whether mic is mixed into output.
[13:30] <sushilcha> amichair: my pleasure .. happy that it actually worked :)
[13:30] <AnnaZ> then there is a general recording control which governs all inputs - mic, line, aux, whatever.
[13:30] <AnnaZ> so recording has to be enabled, mic has to be enabled, mic volume on record has to be set, and perhaps +20db boost should be enabled for a good deal of mics.
[13:31] <amichair> AnnaZ: ah, so capture is the mic's 'input' volume, and 'mic' is the mic's 'output' volume... it makes sense, in a badly-labeled sense :-)
[13:31] <AnnaZ> also you can have mic routed to your output through playback controls while another analog signal source is routed into input DAC.
[13:31] <AnnaZ> that's the flexibility the basic AC97 chip had 12 years ago.
[13:32] <AnnaZ> by now the flexibility of soundchips has grown.
[13:32] <amichair> I think it would be much clearer if it were labeled 'mic input level' and 'mic volume level' or something like that
[13:33] <amichair> AnnaZ: by input DAC u mean line-in simultaniously with mic, or something more complex?
[13:33] <AnnaZ> i mean ADC
[13:33] <AnnaZ> i still haven't had the coffee
[13:33] <amichair> AnnaZ: it's ok, I read ADC too :-)
[13:34] <AnnaZ> i mean most cards don't allow 2 sources to be recorded at the same time.
[13:34] <AnnaZ> as their input mixer infrastructure is much less complex than that for output.
[13:35] <AnnaZ> but you can have all inputs routed into output at the same time nonetheless.
[13:37] <AnnaZ> reason for that e.g. is that you may want to record voice while playing cd audio. on old computers cd-rom drive would have an analog output, which was connected to one of aux inputs of the soundchip.
[13:38] <amichair> cool
[13:39] <amichair> amichair: I think I get it now :-)
[13:40] <AnnaZ> you talk to yourself?
[13:40] <AnnaZ> wanna coffee?
[13:40] <amichair> I'm actually going to get a bowl of cereal to belatedly start the day
[13:41] <AnnaZ> get me a cig too.
[13:41] <AnnaZ> i ran out.
[13:42] <amichair> nah, those are silly :-)
[13:43] <amichair> time to go report the 10 issues I encountered during upgrade...
[13:43] <gb0> does adept have a generate package script just like synaptic?
[13:43] <gb0> (i'm not at home)
[14:06] <linux> hi
[14:08] <wissem> @linux:hello
[14:15] <spow> Hi, I'm having trouble configuring Kontact, which chan would be appropriate ?
[14:15] <spow> (i'm also an IRD newbie)
[14:15] <spow> (IRC*)
[14:27] <matisse> hi
[14:28] <matisse> what other ways are there to get a ip of a website? we have a strange dns problem here, some websites arent working, but most are
[14:33] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[14:35] <Hazamonzo_> Folks.. i just installed kubuntu 10.4, then the ATI drivers for multiple moniters.. Only problems is that my moniters are the wrong way round... other words i have to move my mouse of the left side of the left screen and it will appear again on the right side of the right screen. How do i swap this around in the ATI control panel
[14:35] <Hazamonzo_> Ive tried swapping them and restarting with no luck :s
[14:35] <matisse> ok
[14:35] <Hazamonzo_> Anyone familiar with the AIT control panel? amdcccle ?
[14:36] <matisse> theres a .de-domain only problem... no help needed
[14:36] <sushilcha> Hazamonzo_: try swapping screen positions hehe , i mean physically
[14:37] <karthikeyan> hello
[14:37] <Hazamonzo_> sushilcha: Well sure my the screen numbers are correct
[14:37] <Hazamonzo_> that would mean my main desktop (taskbar and all that)
[14:37] <Hazamonzo_> would be on the left :s
[14:37] <Hazamonzo_> umm
[14:37] <Hazamonzo_> right even
[14:38] <karthikeyan> Any one help me to install kubuntu in ubuntu 10.04!!?
[14:38] <Hazamonzo_> hmm
[14:38] <sushilcha> karthikeyan: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[14:39] <Hazamonzo_> sushilcha: whew
[14:39] <Hazamonzo_> okay, i swapped the cables
[14:39] <karthikeyan> I did not have fast internet connection, but I have kubuntu 10.04 CD (downloaded from my friend's home) How to do it?
[14:40] <Hazamonzo_> so the mouse moves correctly between moniters now..
[14:40] <sushilcha> Hazamonzo_: yeah that's smart :)
[14:40] <sushilcha> hehe
[14:40] <sushilcha> it moved correctly earlier too.. just positioned the screens wrong hehe
[14:40] <Hazamonzo_> sushilcha: But still... im not 100% happy. i mean it works but now im looking at moniter 2
[14:41] <Hazamonzo_> awww well. No worries
[14:41] <sushilcha> Hazamonzo_: ok how about my 1st advice
[14:41] <sushilcha> moving the monitor itself
[14:42] <sushilcha> karthikeyan: u can add that cdrom to ur repo
[14:42] <karthikeyan> I added it
[14:42] <sushilcha> karthikeyan: then i guess u shud do .. sudo apt-get update
[14:42] <karthikeyan> But It does not show kubuntu-desktop package
[14:43] <karthikeyan> Same way I am not able to install edubuntu also
[14:43] <Hazamonzo_> ack its just not right :s
[14:44] <karthikeyan> ok
[14:44] <sushilcha> karthikeyan: did u update package info after adding cdrom
[14:44] <karthikeyan> no... that time i am not connected to internet
[14:44] <sushilcha> karthikeyan: sudo apt-get update
[14:44] <sushilcha> after adding cdrom
[14:44] <sushilcha> shud work
[14:45] <sushilcha> even if u r not connected to internet
[14:45] <karthikeyan> ok, i will try it..
[14:45] <karthikeyan> But Now i have a separate installation of kubuntu
[14:45] <sushilcha> or u can uncheck repos from internet and run update, :)
[14:45] <karthikeyan> I am not able to install restricted extras
[14:46] <sushilcha> karthikeyan: yeah it's kinda little difficult when u dont hav internet connection
[14:46] <karthikeyan> amarock asks to install codacs
[14:46] <13WAAUJL6> me too
[14:46] <karthikeyan> When I am clicking install button, it shows message "Already installed"
[14:48] <alvin> If I ssh into a machine because plymouth stalled and kdm doesn't show. How can I quit plymouth?
[14:48] <karthikeyan> sushilcha: Is there any link to get offline installer of restricted extras for kubuntu?
[14:52] <karthikeyan>  Is there any link to get offline installer of restricted extras for kubuntu!?
[14:56] <karthikeyan> No reply... I hate ubuntu, kubuntu,... because everything needs internet connection...................
[14:58] <jmcknight> you should probably go with a compiled distro then... try Gentoo
[14:58] <AnnaZ> jmcknight: now THAT is a bad suggestion.
[14:59] <jmcknight> lol jk
[14:59] <RaGNORAK> try getting a net connection it is actually good for you :P
[14:59] <karthikeyan> Ok, now i only have GPRS connection..
[14:59] <jmcknight> ouch that is slow
[14:59] <AnnaZ> people, the person lives in india and only has a gprs link.
[15:00] <RaGNORAK> wait what?
[15:00] <RaGNORAK> heey
[15:00] <AnnaZ> it's not possible to have decent connection in every region.
[15:00] <RaGNORAK> i live in india and i have a proper net
[15:00] <AnnaZ> well india is large.
[15:00] <AnnaZ> i don't suppose every village has wire.
[15:00] <karthikeyan> I am in remote area.. currently no broad band here..
[15:01] <AnnaZ> heck there are places in GERMANY where you couldn't get decent broadband a year ago.
[15:01] <RaGNORAK> try getting reliance or airtel net connect
[15:01] <karthikeyan> Soon!
[15:02] <karthikeyan> But, Every reinstallation and upgradation needs internet!11
[15:02] <karthikeyan> I think it's an bad idea
[15:03] <RaGNORAK> would have just as many problems with windows i gues
[15:03] <AnnaZ> RaGNORAK: with the difference that you don't have to update windows unless you're on the net.
[15:04] <AnnaZ> and how many of us have been using xp for... uhm 8-9 years now? yeah there were 3 huge updates in the meanwhile.
[15:04] <RaGNORAK> well he doesnt actually "have" to update kubuntu all the time
[15:04] <karthikeyan> All the Softwares for windows is portable.. no need of internet!
[15:05] <AnnaZ> karthikeyan: you can download restricted extras somewhere, and make a local repository of them (just like installation CDs are a local repository originally)
[15:05] <AnnaZ> unfortunately i can't be of more precise help.
[15:05] <karthikeyan> I recommand my friends to use ubuntu... most of the time facing problem is net connection..
[15:05] <alvin> How can I kill plymouth?
[15:05] <karthikeyan> AnnaZ: is it available for kubuntu?
[15:06] <AnnaZ> karthikeyan: i don't see a problem there.
[15:06] <AnnaZ> karthikeyan: ftp://ftp.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/
[15:07] <AnnaZ> you can have this saved to a harddisk from a place with decent internet connection.
[15:07] <karthikeyan> Ok, Is it for Kubuntu 10.04?
[15:08] <RaGNORAK> yes
[15:08] <RaGNORAK> the link says lucid so i think it is
[15:08] <AnnaZ> the size of that is roughly 20gb
[15:08] <karthikeyan> What 20GB?
[15:08] <AnnaZ> so any external harddisk would be a good storage for that.
[15:09] <AnnaZ> it's the whole universe. all software that is available for ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu ever,
[15:09] <AnnaZ> here are hints on running local mirror: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=599479
[15:09] <AnnaZ> someone should be able to help in more detail.
[15:10] <karthikeyan> I want multimedia condacs offline installer only for kubuntu how to get it?
[15:10] <AnnaZ> oh sry
[15:10] <AnnaZ> sec :)
[15:12] <AnnaZ> you will want a mirror of this: http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/
[15:13] <AnnaZ> and of this: http://packages.medibuntu.org/
[15:13] <AnnaZ> have this on a dvd or disk and install individual packages with dpkg or gdebi.
[15:14] <karthikeyan> ok, thank you very much
[15:15] <AnnaZ> you can grab any .deb file from anywhere, store it and install it later, as long as it doesn't depend on much else.
[15:15] <karthikeyan> mediubuntu! is it suitable to kubuntu,, I didn't know abt mediubuntu
[15:15] <AnnaZ> finally, the fine-grained package subdivision is actually supposed to save internet costs.
[15:15] <AnnaZ> yes.\
[15:17] <stans> test
[15:19] <AnnaZ> karthikeyan: and oh, special circumstances need special solutions. if there is a number of people somewhere in a similar situation as yourself, cooperate with them to create a way to distribute needed packages without internet access.
[15:20] <stans> привет, пацыки
[15:20] <AnnaZ> !ru
[15:20] <Hazamonzo_> hmm, whats the package for sun java6 JDK these days?
[15:21] <AnnaZ> .oO(zlobnaja, znaju)
[15:21] <Hazamonzo_> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk returns "This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted"
[15:21] <tazz> hey guys i am behind a squid proxy. I have specified the proxy details in kde and i am able to browse using konqueror. And i am able to browse. But i cant seem to download packages or update using kpackageit.
[15:21] <tazz> i am using 10.04 and i didnt use to have this problem in 9.10
[15:22] <Juniksz> Hello! I've got a problem. I made another panel on the top (similar as the gnome) And the problem is: I can't see this panel on the cube's (compiz fusion) other side.
[15:22] <tazz> same goes for apt-get. Except for the fact that i am exporting the proxy details using http_proxy.
[15:22] <AnnaZ> tazz: oh funny, i didn't think they every even temporarily fixed that.
[15:23] <AnnaZ> tazz: wait, you export the proxy var and STILL can't download?
[15:23] <tazz> AnnaZ, affirmative
[15:23] <tazz> the same config used to work in 9.10 and stopped in 10.04
[15:24] <AnnaZ> tazz: you usually need 2 vars, http_proxy and ftp_proxy.
[15:24] <AnnaZ> depending on how (un)lucky you are your mirror may be either ftp or http based.
[15:24] <tazz> AnnaZ, i mine is http based.
[15:24] <karthikeyan> AnnaZ: Thanks, I am currently distributing ubuntu with restricted extras offline installer from hacktolive.org. Now searching a way to distribute kubuntu
[15:26] <sadjfklj> hi. I was wondering if somebody could provide me with a paste of 'ls -l /dev' so I can see what devices nodes are created by default.
[15:26] <tazz> AnnaZ, thanks for the idea. :)
[15:26] <tazz> works now.
[15:27] <AnnaZ> what?
[15:27] <AnnaZ> o.O
[15:28] <tsimpson> sadjfklj: which devices are created depends on your system
[15:29] <AnnaZ> karthikeyan: all ubuntu packages from the same version are kubuntu compatible.
[15:29] <sadjfklj> yes, I understand that, but their is a set of base devices that should be created on all systems.
[15:29] <amichair> is there some way to see all apps that I've installed? (i.e. excluding built-in packages or dependencies - more like add/remove software list in windows)
[15:30] <ofirk> I have a panel at the top which is set to auto-hide, but everytime I move the mouse to the top (i.e, for switching between tabs in chrome) the panel opens immediately.
[15:30] <ofirk> is there a way to set a delay, so the mouse needs to be at the top for say, 2sec, in order to reveal the panel?
[15:30] <sadjfklj> I have a problem with the kernel not booting, but so far, I haven't found anything wrong with the process.
[15:30] <karthikeyan> AnnaZ: I have the offline installer used in ubuntu 10.04, but it doesn't work with kubuntu 10.04!
[15:30] <ofirk> amichair: do you mean listing all apps in the KDE menu?
[15:31] <AnnaZ> karthikeyan: do you  have a link, i can take a look on it.
[15:32] <karthikeyan> AnnaZ: Sure wait a minute.. searching my pendrive
[15:33] <amichair> ofirk: no, all apps/packages I've ever manually installed (using adept/apt-get/kpackagekit/dpkg/whatever). The K-menu only shows gui apps, and also ones that are built-in not installed by me)
[15:36] <ofirk> amichair: try /var/cache/apt/archives
[15:37] <ofirk> amichair: although I doubt that it will contain all installed packages
[15:37] <AnnaZ> amichair: i'm afraid it's not possible, since ubuntu/jubuntu install cd marks a lot of packages manually installed, which it installs by itself.
[15:38] <Lewiis> Hello, is there a way to do maths in the terminal?
[15:38] <AnnaZ> amichair: i have googled up 2 different command lines which list manually installed packages
[15:38] <AnnaZ> comm -23 <(cat /var/lib/dpkg/status | sed -n "/Package/N;s/Package: \(.*\)\n.*install ok installed/\1/p" | sort) <(cat /var/lib/apt/extended_states | sed -n "/Package/N;s/Package: \(.*\)\nAuto-Installed: 1/\1/p" | sort)
[15:38] <AnnaZ> aptitude -F "%p" search \!~M~i~T
[15:38] <AnnaZ> these.
[15:38] <Lewiis> or a calculator installed by default
[15:38] <FloodBotK1> AnnaZ: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:39] <amichair> AnnaZ: how would I see that list in any case? what ofirk said, or ther is another way?
[15:39] <AnnaZ> Lewiis: bc perhaps
[15:39] <Lewiis> cool, thanks Anna
[15:39] <karthikeyan> AnnaZ: rapid shre link given here http://www.livetolearn.in/forums/showthread.php?tid=3&action=lastpost
[15:39] <AnnaZ> amichair: you have either commandline and then either save to file or pipe into viewer
[15:39] <amichair> AnnaZ: oh, that whole blurb was for me :-)
[15:40] <AnnaZ> amichair: >filename for save
[15:40] <AnnaZ> |less to view
[15:40] <amichair> AnnaZ: you just happened to have that ready? :-P
[15:41] <AnnaZ> amichair: ????????????
[15:41] <amichair> AnnaZ: oh, that still shows all packages... for example, about 20 openoffice.org-* packages. I'm looking more for the main openoffice package that would be used to install/uninstall it
[15:42] <AnnaZ> amichair, see my explaination above.
[15:42] <amichair> AnnaZ: oh sorry, didn't see the google line
[15:42] <AnnaZ> many packages which are marked manually installed are actually from the ubuntu installer.
[15:42] <AnnaZ> [16:38] <AnnaZ> amichair: i'm afraid it's not possible, since ubuntu/jubuntu install cd marks a lot of packages manually installed, which it installs by itself.
[15:43] <AnnaZ> i'm afraid no further/better information is present.
[15:43] <sushilcha> amichair: u can use synaptic package manager ... and filter by "installed manually"
[15:43] <sushilcha> but as AnnaZ said.. lots of packages automatically installed are marked as manually installed
[15:43] <amichair> AnnaZ: oh well, too bad. It would be extremely useful, and probably easy to do.
[15:44] <AnnaZ> no, it wouldn't been easy.
[15:44] <AnnaZ> the problem is package dependancies.
[15:44] <floown> hello
[15:44] <AnnaZ> they are not perfect.
[15:44] <AnnaZ> well perhaps they are perfect in debian, or close to.
[15:44] <AnnaZ> but not here.
[15:44] <amichair> AnnaZ: why not? all installers know what the user selected, they just need to mark it as such. dependecies don't get marked.
[15:45] <floown> I can't no more send email with Kontact. I have this message "Socket operation timed out"
[15:45] <AnnaZ> amichair: that's why there is no ubuntu netinstall.
[15:45] <amichair> AnnaZ: what's dat?
[15:45] <AnnaZ> amichair: if you were to select a few basic things not enough stuff would be pulled in.
[15:45] <AnnaZ> amichair: the way some other distros are distributed.
[15:46] <AnnaZ> amichair: besides, there is a problem in backwards resolution.
[15:46] <AnnaZ> if you have package a depend and install packages b, c, d
[15:46] <AnnaZ> then you remove package c, package a has to be uninstalled
[15:46] <AnnaZ> but you want to keep b and d
[15:46] <AnnaZ> so they have to be marked manually installed.
[15:47] <AnnaZ> this problem grows very badly beyond this toy example :)
[15:47] <AnnaZ> a being a meta package btw which doesn't have any real data besides dependancies.
[15:47] <amichair> AnnaZ: no, I meant installation would remain the same as it is today. but mark those packages that the user explicitly specified, and not all the other stuff that gets pulled in. you've got all the info you need in the UI/CLI command (even before it starts doing anything).
[15:48] <AnnaZ> amichair: look at that list again. those are only packages marked manual, not the packages pulled in automatically.
[15:48] <AnnaZ> amichair: it's just that the manual mark tracking is faulty, and it's not because of a code bug, it's because of the installer/ dependancy tracking madness.
[15:48] <AnnaZ> it is simply a big rotting mess.
[15:49] <BluesKaj> AnnaZ, do you run debian ?
[15:49] <AnnaZ> BluesKaj: no, i run ubuntu.
[15:50] <amichair> AnnaZ: but the marking is wrong, as you say. I'm looking for another, more useful (to me), marking. you can have both, to serve different purposes. I just want to know what software I installed, to install elsewhere, or hand-pick to uninstall, or anything else. A list of a few hundred libs isn't useful for that.
[15:51] <BluesKaj> so the repos are a big rotting mess in terms of dependencies ,interesting because rpm distros are much worse IMO :)
[15:51] <AnnaZ> BluesKaj: i suppose so. i suppose it's an unsolvable problem.
[15:53] <AnnaZ> amichair: i have an idea, kind of.
[15:53] <amichair> doesn't sound unsolvable, maybe just require some extra work. if you keep a graph of everything the package manager ever did, you can likely reverse it, or at least view the info, which is what I need.
[15:53] <BluesKaj> AnnaZ, I found the last 3 kubuntu OSs quite stable upgrading from the internet ,altho as you say I've never seen pure netinstall version available
[15:54] <AnnaZ> amichair: i suppose one could try to reduce that list using extensive reverse dependancy search.
[15:55] <amichair> I'm sure someone, somewhere, put together a script to do that :-)
[15:56] <BluesKaj> amichair, yes, that's a common complaint , altho the newer kdes are more tolerant of removing pkgs than in the past
[15:56] <AnnaZ> amichair: i suppose one could reduce the list even more by finding substitute dependancies.
[15:58] <amichair> AnnaZ: what are those?
[16:00] <AnnaZ> amichair: a depends on b, c, d.  b, c, d are marked manual but a is not installed. find a.
[16:01] <alvin> Is there a way to kill plymouth? kdm doesn't show
[16:01] <BluesKaj> heh, it it used to be that if one tried to remove amarok , most of the kubuntu desktop went with it :)
[16:01] <BluesKaj> alvin, why bother?
[16:02] <alvin> Why? because there's a big splash logo with kubuntu on it on both screens, and it doesn't go away
[16:02] <amichair> oh btw, after the upgrade plymout bootup/shutdown shows the purple ubuntu instead of the new kubuntu - how do I fix that?
[16:02] <alvin> I can't use Ctrl+Alt+F? either
[16:03] <AnnaZ> it doesn't sound like something you "kill" but something you heal.
[16:03] <alvin> The ideal situation would be no plymouth at all. So I can see what's going on, use tty's, actually boot and so on
[16:03] <AnnaZ> but you can try disabling kms.
[16:03] <AnnaZ> don't remember how, sry
[16:04] <BluesKaj> alvin, try sudo service kdm stop , then drop to a tty
[16:04] <alvin> I can't
[16:04] <alvin> Well, I can go in using ssh
[16:04] <alvin> but I can't stop kdm
[16:04] <BluesKaj> after stoppng kdm ?
[16:04] <alvin> Well, let's say otherwise. I can go in by ssh, and sudo service kdm stop.
[16:04] <BluesKaj> in the terminal ?
[16:05] <alvin> But the boot splash is still there
[16:05] <alvin> I can't go to a tty
[16:05] <alvin> Ctrl+Alt+Function keys simply doesn't work
[16:05] <BluesKaj> alt+ctrl+F2 /
[16:05] <alvin> I'll try
[16:06] <alvin> No reaction
[16:06] <alvin> Plymouth is taking the system hostage
[16:07] <AnnaZ> i doubt it's plymouth. but you can sure uninstall it if you like.
[16:07] <alvin> Well, it's not in the process list, but all I see is the kubuntu logo
[16:07] <Hazamonzo_> hey folks. Ive just installed 10.4, and the proprietary ATI drivers... its not 100% though. Im having trouble with compiz. How can i go about debugging this issue?
[16:08] <Pici> alvin: Er, thats not really a good idea.  Plymouth is a dependency of some of the processes that the computer needs to boot.
[16:09] <AnnaZ> alvin, it's not a process, it's a kernel module.
[16:09] <AnnaZ> i suppose there must be a way to disable it on kernel commandline.
[16:09] <alvin> I know I can't uninstall it. I've wanted to have a stern talk with the person who approved using plymouth/mountall/upstart in a stable release for months.
[16:09] <AnnaZ> don't ask me how.
[16:10] <alvin> Well, i've had loads of trouble with the new boot system since karmic, but this is a new one
[16:10] <AnnaZ> alvin, what graphic chip do you have btw?
[16:10] <alvin> This machine has an nvidia. Let me check
[16:10] <alvin> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G73 [GeForce 7600 GS] (rev a1)
[16:11] <BluesKaj> alvin, are you using the nvidia-current driver?
[16:11] <alvin> Apparently I do
[16:11] <alvin> It's just an upgrade from Karmic, so yes
[16:12] <DarthFrog> alvin: How about changing to the nv driver to see if your problems disappear?
[16:12] <alvin> You mean nouveau? Not an option. We need the proprietary driver for production.
[16:13] <DarthFrog> No, not nouveau, nv.
[16:13] <alvin> Same rules apply. I guess I could try it, just to see if it makes any difference. But we can't use it.
[16:13] <BluesKaj> alvin, the proprietary driver is probly your problem , it's not the current driver as you say the current driver is a kernel source driver
[16:13] <DarthFrog> You may need the proprietary drivers but don't you want to troubleshoot the problem?  I suspect that switching to an earlier version of the nvidia driver will be the eventual cure.
[16:14] <alvin> I don't think Canonical would release a version where the proprietary driver is known to not work
[16:14] <alvin> ah
[16:14] <alvin> Could be. let's check
[16:14] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, the proprietary drivers work on some cards but not the 7600
[16:14] <alvin> I must add that /etc/gdm/failsafeXinit is running and gdm is not installed
[16:15] <alvin> BluesKaj: Do you have a source for that?
[16:15] <AnnaZ> alvin: i run 10.4 and nvidia closedsource driver without problem
[16:15] <AnnaZ> alvin: the plymouth screen shows for me in lowres.
[16:15] <DarthFrog> AnnaZ: It's chip dependent.
[16:15] <DarthFrog> AnnaZ: Some previous nvidia chips don't like the later drivers.
[16:15] <AnnaZ> alvin: i suggest you disable kernelmodesetting, as nvidia driver is not fully compatible with that.
[16:16] <AnnaZ> DarthFrog: i have geforce 8. which is almost the same as current chips technically.
[16:16] <alvin> AnnaZ: I can live with that. Do you know how to do that?
[16:16] <AnnaZ> alvin, i know i did it already, but i don't see why i should google it for you.
[16:16] <alvin> ok
[16:16] <DarthFrog> AnnaZ: But alvin doesn't.  He has a 7600.  Earlier generation.
[16:16] <AnnaZ> it's a kernel commandline option.
[16:16] <AnnaZ> oh yes the 7 are old.
[16:17] <alvin> Excuse me! Since when stopped Linux supporting old devices?
[16:17] <alvin> Bad remark... They stopped Matrox cards since Intrepid
[16:17] <DarthFrog> alvin: Well, it does.  But you are talking about *proprietary* drivers.
[16:17] <AnnaZ> alvin, nvidia always does.
[16:17] <DarthFrog> alvin: Try the nvidia-96 drivers.
[16:18] <AnnaZ> this is a tradeoff of closed source driver, however good it might be otherwise.
[16:18] <AnnaZ> the problem is not linux exclusive, support gets dropped on windows too.
[16:18] <DarthFrog> alvin: You have a beef with the nvidia drivers?  You take it up with nVidia, not Kubuntu.
[16:18] <AnnaZ> as soon as the old series is economically dead.
[16:19] <DarthFrog> Afterall, they do want you to buy the latest & greatest.
[16:19] <alvin> No, the main troubles I have are with the new boot system. I will always buy the cards that have the best (current) support for Linux. At the time, that was nvidia.
[16:19] <AnnaZ> it was more than 4 years ago apparently.
[16:19] <BluesKaj> alvin, the nvidia current driver your card is the 195 ...not sure the exact version tho , since i've installed my 7600 on my wife's pc for media server in our tv room
[16:20] <alvin> But we're talking about 20 cards. I don't want to buy 20 cards again every time Ubuntu releases a new version
[16:20] <AnnaZ> you don't have to upgrade ubuntu.
[16:20] <DarthFrog> alvin: You don't.  Try the nvidia-96 drivers.
[16:20] <AnnaZ> you don't have to upgrade your linux kernel which needs new x drivers.
[16:20] <AnnaZ> you don't have to upgrade xorg.
[16:21] <alvin> Yes, you do. I happen to suffer from serious bugs that are fixed in newer versions and don't get backports. (especially mountall). So, a new version is the only solution.
[16:21] <AnnaZ> DarthFrog: they aren't evil really. even geforce 8 would be too old to be supported by their age, they drop cards whenever they become technically hard to maintain.
[16:21] <alvin> nomodeset didn't work. I'll try the 96 drivers next
[16:21] <dany> hi
[16:22] <alvin> One question before I do: can the nouvea driver handle dualscreen?
[16:22] <DarthFrog> AnnaZ: I don't think they're evil in the least.  I don't have a problem with them.  Other than their screw-ups with the 8xxx series.
[16:23] <AnnaZ> screwups?
[16:23] <AnnaZ> every new highend tech is unstable, if you mean the 8800gt. i'm not aware of any problems with any other part.
[16:23] <DarthFrog> Something to do with cheaping out on chip design, omitting a necessary layer for heat dispersion leading to early death.
[16:24] <BluesKaj> alvin, I had the nvidia-current driver working fine on my 7600 card on lucid up to about amonth ago , I'm sure that driver still works since I've heard others are still using it...the proprietary drivers aren't as forgiving update wise.
[16:24] <DarthFrog> alvin: The nouveau drivers don't really work yet.
[16:24] <AnnaZ> DarthFrog: i'm sure this is wrong, it doesn't work that way. tmsc is responsible for chip package design and it's a very very very complex job because of tension.
[16:25] <alvin> I'm also sure the nvidia-current should work. As I said, I have a lot of those and the other computers are booting fine. Not all of them are upgraded to karmic yet, (but they will soon because of the mountall troubles)
[16:25] <DarthFrog> AnnaZ: Nope, not wrong.  It's the main reason that Apple switched away from nVidia in their laptops.
[16:25] <AnnaZ> DarthFrog: link?
[16:25] <DarthFrog> AnnaZ: As you are so fond of saying to others, I'll let you do the googling. :-)
[16:26] <BluesKaj> apple just won't pay the royalty, they're on the cheap again
[16:28] <BluesKaj> alvin, can you get to a tty with the 3 finger salute ctrl,alt,delete ath
[16:29] <BluesKaj> at the grub menu?
[16:29] <alvin> Yes, reboot works
[16:29] <alvin> at grub menu?
[16:30] <BluesKaj> I've heard some ppl can past the login that way
[16:32] <alvin> I guess so. I have found a simple workaround now. I removed splash and quiet from the kernel line. Now I can see *a lot* of udev errors
[16:32] <sadjfklj> hi, does anybody have a kubuntu lucid installation on amd?
[16:32] <alvin> Then it hangs a while on 'checking battery state', but there is no battery
[16:32] <alvin> then...a lot of flicker
[16:32] <alvin> and kdm. Good
[16:32] <alvin> Well, takes a hell of a time to boot, but it boots, so I'm happy
[16:33] <alvin> So, conclusion: plymouth is the problem. nvidia-current drivers are working just fine
[16:33] <alvin> Everything looks just like bug 538524
[16:34] <alvin> sadjfklj: A lot of people have
[16:34] <amichair> after the lucid upgrade plymouth bootup/shutdown shows the purple ubuntu instead of the new kubuntu - how do I fix that?
[16:35] <sadjfklj> alvin: can any of them give me a copy of their boot initrd for 2.6.32-22?
[16:36] <alvin> sadjfklj: lol. ok. Give me a moment to search for an amd machine with Lucid here. I must have some of those.
[16:37] <alvin> Actually, isn't that the same file as on intel?
[16:37] <sadjfklj> not likely, as it contains the modules
[16:38] <Hazamonzo_> So folks. Fresh install of 10.4. Need to install Adobe Flash. What package method (since there are many)
[16:39] <alvin> sadjfklj: Aw, I have only upgraded intel machines yet. Can't help you until I upgrade more and that won't be today.
[16:39] <sadjfklj> alvin: ok. tks
[16:42] <BluesKaj> hmm, logging into a diff irc server , crashed this one
[16:43] <amichair> Hazamonzo_: flashplugin-nonfree is the one I use
[16:43] <Hazamonzo_> amichair: No woes?
[16:43] <amichair> Hazamonzo_: woes?
[16:43] <DarthFrog> Stop and smell the woes. :-)
[16:44] <Hazamonzo_> amichair: Problems
[16:45] <Hazamonzo_> amichair: Well i just installed it. Video is fine. No audio though :s
[16:45] <amichair> Hazamonzo_: never had installation problem. the plugin itself does seem to crash every now and then (a FF restart solves this, no more than once in a few days) - on amd64 at least
[16:46] <amichair> Hazamonzo_: make sure the audio settings in system settings -> multimedia are right
[16:46] <Hazamonzo_> amichair: Okay
[16:47] <BluesKaj> Hazamonzo_, sudo aptitude install libxine1-ffmpeg
[16:47] <amichair> Hazamonzo_: there are separate settings for music audio, video's audio, etc. For example, I have the video output default to HDMI (TV), whereas music goes to the amplifier via audio out
[16:47] <Hazamonzo_> amichair: I seeee
[16:47] <Hazamonzo_> BluesKaj: Whats that package? Looks familiar
[16:48] <amichair> I actually wish there were a separate setting for browser video, as opposed to standalone vlc video
[16:48] <BluesKaj> Hazamonzo_, actaully ffmpeg should work
[16:50] <BluesKaj> amichair, most video plugins from restricted-extras and medibuntu cover most browsers
[16:51] <Hazamonzo_> hmm, installed the libxine ffmpeg and the ffmpeg
[16:51] <Hazamonzo_> no luck so far though
[16:51] <Hazamonzo_> Maybe a good 'ol fashioned restart :)
[16:52] <amichair> BluesKaj: what does that relate to?
[16:52] <BluesKaj> amichair, one can check which media plugins are installed in a browswer by typing , about:plugins , in the the addressbar
[16:53] <BluesKaj> oops , repeating myself again
[16:54] <amichair> BluesKaj: I know that, just not sure what in the previous discussion this relates to :-)
[16:54] <Hazamonzo_> BluesKaj: http://imagebin.ca/view/OOF84lQ.html
[16:54] <amichair> is plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo the package that replaces ubuntu purple splash screen with kubuntu's?
[16:56] <amichair> BluesKaj: I was saying it would be nice if I can not only select different output devices for music audio vs. video audio, but further differentiate the audio from video that runs in a browser (to go to line out) vs. video that runs standalone fullscreen (to HDMI output, when watching a movie)
[16:57] <amichair> currently I need to turn on the TV to hear audio when watching a youtube video on my regular monitor :-/
[16:59] <amichair> oops, gotta run, bbl
[17:00] <BluesKaj> amichair, yeah , that sounds interesting , but i never thought of watching a movie thru a browser
[17:01] <amichair> BluesKaj: any video at all in a browser requires the TV to be on for the audio... the full movies I watch on the TV (standalone vlc) so no problem there
[17:02] <BluesKaj> amichair,looks like you need to default your audio out thru the hdmi or thru your pc speaker system , i have to make that choice
[17:04] <amichair> BluesKaj: the problem is I can only pick one output for video, whether in browser or TV, even though they would optimally require two different outputs (line out vs. TV's HDMI)
[17:04] <BluesKaj> amichair, I run the hdmi video out seperately from the audio , hence the choice of default audio choice either pc audio or coax/spdif out , due to the elcheapo soundcard which I'm panning to replace
[17:05] <BluesKaj> planning
[17:06] <BluesKaj> which video card again amichair ?
[17:08] <bawww> Hazamonzo_: did you get the audio fixed on flash?
[17:09] <Hazamonzo_> bawww: Not just yet
[17:09] <Hazamonzo_> Im pretty sure im always having problems with sound and flash :s
[17:09] <bawww> Hazamonzo_: in command line type "aslamixer" and make sure your PCM volume is all the way up (use the up/down arrows & tab to navigate)
[17:09] <Hazamonzo_> bawww: Worth a shot!
[17:11] <Hazamonzo_> bawww: Genius!
[17:11] <Hazamonzo_> bawww: Thanks buddy! Much appreciated :D
[17:12] <bawww> Hazamonzo_: no problem, i don't know why developers haven't address this, it was an issue during karmic too
[17:12] <Hazamonzo_> bawww: Very odd. i did check the levels in Kmix
[17:13] <bawww> all i can say is linux audio is beyond strange
[17:14] <Hazamonzo_> bawww: hehehe. Yeah its always something i struggle with when setting up a new install
[17:14] <Hazamonzo_> bawww: Thansks again :)
[17:14] <bawww> no problem
[17:14] <BluesKaj> Hazamonzo_,  yeah, it's comon to have the main alsa ctrl turned off after an upgrade
[17:14] <Hazamonzo_> BluesKaj: This was a fresh install
[17:14] <BluesKaj> same thing
[17:14] <Hazamonzo_> if that should make a difference
[17:14] <Hazamonzo_> Ahh okay
[17:16] <bawww> BluesKaj: do you think it would be a good idea to file a bug on this matter?
[17:17] <Hazamonzo_> bawww: It would save alot of silly questions
[17:17] <bawww> it seems awfully not user friendly
[17:18] <BluesKaj> dunno, most devs would find it trivial IMO
[17:19] <BluesKaj> after all it preventd being blasted if you have your audio cranked on the speaker system
[17:20] <bawww> i don't think it's a feature
[17:20] <apparle> guys which one should I install chrome chromium
[17:20] <apparle> !chrome
[17:21] <bawww> chromium is the open source version of chrome, and it sometimes give you access to the newer features of chrome
[17:22] <apparle> bawww: rather I am concerned with the updating and stuff..... is it same as updating from google.... or do ubuntu devs provide update?
[17:22] <BluesKaj> I use chromium and so far so good , chrome began to give me problems so i switched
[17:22] <apparle> BluesKaj: and what about the themes and the extensions.... are they the same
[17:23] <BluesKaj> similar yes apparle
[17:23] <bawww> apparle: chromium is really actively developed, so the updates will go through whatever repo you use
[17:23] <bawww> there is a well maintained PPA you can use
[17:24] <apparle> BluesKaj: I am currently using chrome, but am thinking of shifting to chromium, (from ubuntu repo) , what all do I lose.....
[17:24] <apparle> bawww: ^
[17:24] <BluesKaj> apparle, nothing all, settings and bookmarks will be saved
[17:25] <apparle> BluesKaj: and will they be synced with google as usual or do I lost that?
[17:25] <BluesKaj> oops nothing will be lost
[17:25] <bawww> apparle: if you want "bleeding edge" use the daily build ppa: https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa
[17:25] <BluesKaj> syncing works between pcs
[17:26] <bawww> otherwise the ubuntu repos get updated very rarely, usually until the next release, unless it's a security issue
[17:26] <BluesKaj> i evn have it synnced with chrome on my windows pcs
[17:27] <apparle> bawww: I don't want bleeding edge, but rather a stable browser to replace firefox (consuming a lot of mem). I am waiting for Qt/KDE to come up with something awesome
[17:27] <apparle> BluesKaj: can't I continue the existing google sync
[17:28] <bawww> apparle: have you tried reKonq or Arora?
[17:28] <BluesKaj> apparle, you can import your boomarks etc from firefox
[17:28]  * apparle is waiting for the day when arora/rekonq are in parallel with firefox, or for a qt firefox
[17:28] <BluesKaj> apparle, yes you should be able to
[17:29] <apparle> BluesKaj: so can anyone suggest well maintained and still pretty stable repo for chromium
[17:30] <BluesKaj> apparle, it's in the repos, just sudo aptitude install chromium
[17:30] <BluesKaj> or is itchromium-browser...I've forgotten
[17:30] <apparle> BluesKaj: but as bawww suggested, it mostly won't get updated till next release
[17:31] <apparle> BluesKaj: a more featured ppa
[17:32] <BluesKaj> well I prefer the stable version , due to the differences in OS's that we run on our various pcs , hence the the ability to sync without problems.
[17:34] <apparle> bawww: can you help
[17:35] <bawww> i suggest sticking with chromium from the default repos. with the daily builds i don't think you should run into a whole lot of problems, but the PPA is untested
[17:35] <bawww> and i think chrome itself is still in beta for linux
[17:35] <bawww> so you're getting really unpolished releases on both sides
[17:36] <apparle> bawww: :)
[17:36] <apparle> and guys which is good rekonq or arora
[17:37] <bawww> apparle: you should always backup yourself though, not dependent solely on google to do it for you
[17:37] <apparle> bawww: actually I am a no bookmarks man.... I don't use bookmarks at all. I just remember the sites that matter.
[17:37] <bawww> apparle: both are really good browsers, you should give them a try. they are in the default repos
[17:38] <bawww> i tend to use delicious, so i can have access to them without my browser
[17:39] <bawww> apparle: you're right though a little google search will usually get you what you're looking for
[17:39] <apparle> :D
[17:40] <apparle> bawww: to be truthful, rekonq and arora seemed hopeless to use for daily browsing for me. At least that was the case a month ago
[17:41] <bawww> i've been using arora a lot, it seems to handle things pretty well even ajax heavy sites
[17:41] <bawww> flash also
[17:42] <bawww> but keep in mind they are in their very early stages
[17:42] <apparle> bawww: if you say so I'll try arora and rekonq both. But why are they both being developed, why not a single one with doubled efforts
[17:43] <bawww> they probably have different philosophies
[17:43] <bawww> reqonk comes off as a browser that'
[17:44] <bawww> that's focusing on becoming a full fledged alternative to Konqueror
[17:44] <bawww> arora seems to concentrate on being lightweight
[17:44] <apparle> bawww: arora... can't even open the gmail login page for me
[17:44] <bawww> really
[17:44] <bawww> it's working fine for me
[17:44] <apparle> bawww: seriouslly...... being behind a proxy matters?
[17:45] <bawww> apparle: probably does
[17:45] <apparle> bawww: and rekonq just got it opened in a flash...
[17:45] <bawww> i use arora for google wave also
[17:45] <bawww> it handles it pretty well
[17:45] <apparle> bawww: how is rekonq on that?
[17:46] <bawww> i haven't tried out rekonq as much as arora
[17:48] <apparle> bawww: it logged me into and out of wave flawlessly
[17:48] <apparle> bawww: it seems rekonq would be great in year or too.....
[17:48] <bawww> apparle: i hope so, i'm getting tired of depending on GTK apps
[17:49] <apparle> bawww: same here....... you know what happened to firefox qt?
[17:50] <bawww> it got developed for a couple of months
[17:50] <bawww> and the developer seem to run into a lot of issues
[17:50] <bawww> but i did hear news of nokia picking it up for their handle held devices
[17:50] <apparle> bawww: same here.....and then came out fennec.... but what about desktop firefox
[17:52] <apparle> bawww: I don't know how difficult it is but, I think every damn KDE user will want firefox for kde/qt, even if a new version of kde is pushed forward by an year
[17:52] <bawww> apparle: it's on my wish list
[17:52] <apparle> bawww: ahh.... if only someone read our wishlistss... :D mine also has that
[17:53] <bawww> apparle: but Kubuntu devs seem to understand the importance of firefox and i really like the initiative to integrate it into KDE
[17:53] <bawww> apparle: lol, well one recently came true
[17:54] <bawww> apparle: steam is going to have linux client for games
[17:54] <apparle> bawww: it was rather opensuse devs which were followed by kubuntu guys
[17:54] <bawww> apparle: "It's Official: Valve Releasing Steam, Source Engine For Linux!" http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=valve_steam_announcement&num=1
[17:55] <bawww> apparle: that's right
[17:55] <apparle> bawww: I know..... that made me rethink the decesion whether I should buy a powerful computer or PS, as soon as I start earning
[17:55] <apparle> :D
[18:00] <apparle> bawww: the latest performance of rekonq has made me think, chrome and chromium can go to hell,,,,,, firefox for backup and rekonq for main browsing is cool
[18:02] <bawww> apparle: definitely, chrome is also a GTK app :/
[18:03] <apparle> bawww: rekonq has problems, but do you know where I could file a lot of bugs and get it developed (at least by testing)
[18:06] <bawww> apparle: i think the passion of rekonq to do it the kde way makes up for it
[18:10] <apparle> bawww: one thing for sure rekonq performs better on youtube videos than firefox on my computer, now comparing with chrome
[18:10] <tsimpson> FF is a memory hog, chrome is a CPU hog, anything which is neither is a good thing
[18:11] <apparle> rekonq outperforms chrome also for youtube..... that's the way to go.
[18:12] <bawww> apparle: you maybe right...
[18:12] <amichair> BluesKaj: sorry for disappearing on u earlier, had to run off...
[18:12] <kehna> How would I go about changing the command field for skype in Kubuntu? I wish to have it load a script instead of launch skype first.
[18:12] <amichair> is plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo the package that replaces ubuntu purple splash screen with kubuntu's?
[18:14] <DarthFrog> kehna: I've never used Skype but in general to do what you want with any program, I'd write a shell script that does what you want and put it in the path ahead of /usr/bin (eg. $HOME/bin).
[18:14] <kehna> I have a script that I made, I just want it to run when I load skype is all
[18:14] <kehna> because without it I can't use my webcam
[18:15] <maco> kehna: have that script call skype for you, then use that script instead of the skype launcher?
[18:15] <maco> kehna: oh heh i see you asked above about the launcher :P
[18:15] <DarthFrog> kehna: maco is saying what I said, in different words.
[18:15] <maco> should be Exec= line in /usr/share/applications/Skype.desktop i think
[18:16] <maco> put the skype command in your script and have the Exec= line point to your script
[18:17] <kehna> thx
[18:17] <BluesKaj> tsimpson, chromium isn't a cpu hog on my setup , uses only 3% at idle ...peaked out at 10 % whem loading
[18:18] <tsimpson> BluesKaj: there are some conditions (not sure what triggers it) where chrome seems to go insane and kill my CPU
[18:18] <tsimpson> there's a bug about it somewhere too
[18:19] <BluesKaj> tsimpson, chrome isn't my first choice , chromium-browser looks the same but has fewer "issues"
[18:20] <gnac> So I just upgraded to 10.4 lts.  Now kdm doesn't start automajically.  On gentoo I would have done "rc-update add xdm default"  How to I add kdm to rc in [k]ubuntu?
[18:21] <tsimpson> it should already be there
[18:21] <gnac> tsimpson: its not.  At least kdm is not starting.  I can invoke it from the command line however.
[18:22] <tsimpson> gnac: does the link /etc/rc2.d/S30kdm (or similar in /etc/rc2.d) exist?
[18:23] <BluesKaj> gnac, run update-rc.d to see if there's normal output
[18:24] <gnac> tsimpson: no.
[18:24] <gnac> if by normal you mean it shows the command line options, then yes,  update-rc.d runs normally.
[18:28] <BluesKaj> gnac, check /etc/init.d/rc*d
[18:28] <BluesKaj> or /etc/rc*d rather
[18:28] <tsimpson> /etc/rc*.d/
[18:29] <gnac> BluesKaj: tsimpson, not in either.  find /rc* -iname "*kde*" returns null
[18:29] <tsimpson> find /rc*?
[18:29] <tsimpson> gnac: try find /etc/rc?.d -iname '*kdm*'
[18:30] <ArkoldThos> gnac, using nvidia card?
[18:35] <gnac> ArkoldThos: no.
[18:35] <gnac> can someone tell me how to add kdm to rc?
[18:38] <tsimpson> gnac: did the command produce any output?
[18:39] <gnac> no find /rc* -iname "*kde*" did not produce any ouput.
[18:39] <tsimpson> gnac: no this one: find /etc/rc?.d -iname '*kdm*'
[18:40] <tsimpson> there is no /rc* directory, at least not one we're interested in
[18:43] <gnac> tsimpson: you are right, the command I entered did not have the / in it, and I was in the /etc/ directory when I entered it.
[18:44] <gnac> i.e. find /etc/rc* -iname "*kde" is what I ran
[18:44] <tsimpson> gnac: you also searched for '*kde*', we want '*kdm*'
[18:44] <gnac> not there either
[18:44] <gnac> thats what I entered in the konsole, just not in irssi ;~)
[18:44] <DarthFrog> sudo updatedb && locate kdm
[18:45] <gnac> DarthFrog: kk, one sec ...
[18:45] <DarthFrog> sudo updatedb && locate kdm | grep etc    is even better.
[18:45] <gnac> DarthFrog: yeah, that helps
[18:46] <gnac> still plenty of results.  nothing in rc* though
[18:46] <tsimpson> gnac: I don't know why the links aren't there, but "sudo update-rc.d kdm defaults 30 1" should create the appropriate links
[18:47] <tsimpson> still strange that they are non-existent though
[18:48] <electroweak> hi guys anyone using Sharp ar-5320 printer I googled but I couln't find any information about using it under kubuntu. It's connected to a network computer and I have to print some stuff
[18:49] <gnac> tsimpson: they are there now, ty.  Lemme reboot and see what happens.
[18:49] <oxymoron> Why does my system freeze once in awhile when unpacking two rar archives at once? :S
[18:50] <ubuntu> i tried to change the resolution on my screen and everything went black.
[18:51] <ubuntu> can anyone help me fix this? i can alt f2 and pull up somethings but i cant  get to anything else
[18:51] <DarthFrog> oxymoron: You might running into swap issues.
[18:52] <oxymoron> DarthFrog: Which means? :P
[18:53] <DarthFrog> oxymoron: That you ran out of physical RAM and are using virtual RAM (up to 100,000X slower).
[18:53] <oxymoron> DarthFrog: Oh and while weyre at it, I wonder how I change option to extract rar archive even if its CRC error? sudo unrar e -kb acrhive.r00 isnt very fun to use eveyr single time ... Or if its possible to fix it?
[18:53] <DarthFrog> And if you run out of swap, your system gets *very* unhappy.
[18:53] <DarthFrog> oxymoron: No idea, sorry.
[18:54] <oxymoron> DarthFrog: Ill be damn if my physical memory runs out, I have 4 GB RAM.
[18:54] <DarthFrog> oxymoron: It's easy to do.  A buggy application can leak memory and cause you to run out.
[18:54] <ubuntu> does anyone know what to do?  i hate to have to reinstall. i cant even hover over where the menu would be.
[18:55] <DarthFrog> ubuntu: Have you tried rebooting?  Or at least logging out and logging back in again?
[18:55] <ubuntu> yea i had to come to a live dist and ask for help
[18:55] <Scunizi> Why does flash work fine in Konqueror and not Firefox?
[18:56] <Scunizi> even with the plugin installed
[18:56] <AnnaZ> Scunizi: how have you installed flash?
[18:56] <Scunizi> AnnaZ: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree.. and gnash is not installed..
[18:56] <AnnaZ> Scunizi: restarted firefox already?
[18:56] <yofel> ubuntu: checked if plasma-desktop is still running? (I understand that krunner still works for you)
[18:56] <Scunizi> AnnaZ: oh yea.. multiple times..
[18:57] <AnnaZ> Scunizi: konq searches in a larger list of directories for plugins...
[18:57] <oxymoron> DarthFrog: Hmm using 2.4 GB of 3.9 RAM? :O
[18:57] <AnnaZ> but i don't see why ff shouldn't pick up too, it did here.
[18:57] <DarthFrog> Scunizi: Check "about:plugins" (as a URL) in both browsers and ensure that you're running the appropriate plugin.
[18:57] <oxymoron> DarthFrog: I thought I was on GNU/Linux distro :S
[18:57] <DarthFrog> oxymoron: OK, that isn't it then.
[18:57] <oxymoron> DarthFrog: It seems something buggy with Ark or unrar appp
[18:57] <Scunizi> DarthFrog: Ok..
[18:58] <ubuntu> yofel:  how do i check if the plasma is ruunning? and krunner (alt f2?)  works
[18:59] <DarthFrog> ubuntu: If ALT-F2 is running, type "plasma-desktop" in the entry field.
[18:59] <yofel> ubuntu: you could open a terminal and check it there, but try to restart it first: run 'kill $(pidof plasma-desktop)' and 'plasma-desktop' after that
[18:59] <oxymoron> DarthFrog: Its sad I just want to right click on an archive and choose extract here and it should not interupt
[18:59] <Scunizi> DarthFrog: shockwave flash and Futuresplash Player are installed.. swf & spl suffixex
[19:00] <gnac> bah, not only did that not work, kdm won't start from the cli anymore either.
[19:00] <DarthFrog> Scunizi: It doesn't matter what's installed (well, yes it does but not right now).  What matters is what's being used.  also, check the links in /etc/alternatives
[19:00] <electroweak> I need help configuring Sharp AR-5320 printer/copier. anyone knows if it's working under kubuntu. I googled but I couldn't find anything
[19:01] <gnac> I get this error in Xorg.0.log: (EE) config/hal: couldn't initialise context: unknown error (null)
[19:01] <ubuntu> yofel:  pidof you mean my login name? the user id?
[19:01] <yofel> ubuntu: no, type what I posted in the krunner dialog
[19:02] <gnac> I got kdm started, but not automatically on boot.
[19:02] <yofel> ubuntu: pidof gets the process id of the application
[19:02] <Scunizi> DarthFrog: what's the extension for flash files?  flv?
[19:02] <gnac> and when kdm starts, I cant' type into the password field (or hit enter)
[19:02] <DarthFrog> Scunizi: swf
[19:04] <ubuntu> thanks guys, brb
[19:05] <Scunizi> DarthFrog: in /etc/alternatives I see mozilla-flashplugin and midbrower-flashplugin.. as well as firefox-flashplugin, iceape-flashplugin, iceweasel-flashplugin, xulrunner-addons-flashplugin, xulrunner-flashplugin.... seems like a lot of plugins.. maybe conflicts with some of them?
[19:08] <gnac> So the 10.4 LTS upgrade has me royally borked.  I can't get kdm to start on boot.  When I start it manually, or run startx from a command line, I have no keyboard control in X.  Also, my panels no longer show up, but two of my desktop widgets do.
[19:10] <yofel> Scunizi: no, most of them are symlinks to the same file, but exist in multiple places so the different browsers can find it
[19:10] <jimmy51_> !info soprano
[19:10] <jimmy51_> !info nepomuk
[19:10] <yofel> we have...
[19:10] <yofel> !info soprano-daemon
[19:11] <jimmy51_> yofel: thanks.
[19:11] <yofel> !find nepomuk
[19:11] <jimmy51_> yofel: do you know what those do?
[19:11] <jimmy51_> !info virtuoso-nepomuk
[19:12] <yofel> virtuoso is the database backend for the nepomuk desktop search in KDE 4.4
[19:12] <jimmy51_> i reported a bug that KDE bugs says might be a dupe of a bug caused by those
[19:12] <yofel> File indexing is done by strigi, but that's all I know
[19:12] <jimmy51_> thanks
[19:12] <jimmy51_> hopefully someone smarter than me sees the bug report and knows what to do with it
[19:12] <jimmy51_> i coudln't even get the debugging symbols to install properly
[19:15] <DarthFrog> yofel: Actually, Strigi indexes the content of files, not files themselves.  That's done by Nepomuk.
[19:16] <electroweak> hi guys anybody ever used sharp AR-5320 printer I can't get it work
[19:16] <DarthFrog> Both can be turned on or off in System Settings/Advanced
[19:17]  * DarthFrog wishes they could also be scheduled.
[19:17] <yofel> +1
[19:18] <ryann> is "update-rc.d -f <service> remove"  still the best way to disable a startup service?
[19:19] <yofel> for sysvinit services: yes, but not for upstart services
[19:19] <ryann> hm, i am not sure of the difference to be honest
[19:19] <yofel> depends on the kubunt release and the type of the service
[19:19] <yofel> ryann: *which* service?
[19:19] <ryann> i installed dhcpd to have when needed, but i do not wish for it to start at boot.
[19:20] <ryann> dhcp3-server
[19:20] <ryann> so i did update-rc.d -f dhcp3-server remove
[19:21] <yofel> ryann: and? did it work or give you an error?
[19:21] <ryann> no error was returned, i just want to make sure it was done properly, especially for future reference
[19:22] <yofel> ryann: it should work, as dhcpd3 still uses sys-v-init
[19:23] <ryann> ok great, thank you very much
[19:23] <ryann> how would you disable an upstart service?
[19:24] <yofel> erm, that will get better in the feature, but right now the easiest way is to rename the <service>.conf to <service>.conf.disable in /etc/init/
[19:25] <slow-motion> hi
[19:26] <yofel> *future
[19:28] <lucitu> fresh install here..on shutdown I see message - 'searching for available drivers '??
[19:28] <lucitu> it's annoying bec it's delaying shutdwon
[19:29] <lucitu> *shutdown
[19:31] <jimmy51_> is all sysv stuff being moved to upstart ?
[19:32] <yofel> jimmy51_: in the long run, yes, but sys-v-init services will still work for a long while I think.
[19:33] <jimmy51_> yofel: thanks.  is that a ubuntu thing, debian thing, or linux in general thing?
[19:33] <jimmy51_> (i only ask because i'm reading a book on linux basics and sysv is a big part of it)
[19:33] <yofel> upstart was developed by ubuntu, it's being adopted by debian too, possibly others, but google might tell you more there
[19:34] <tsimpson> sysv is an ancient system that hasn't really changed in decades, upstart is the new kid on the block
[19:34] <yofel> jimmy51_: heh, yeah, I did like sysvinit with it's runlevels, we don't really have those in upstart anymore, although they're not completely gone
[19:34] <yofel> but only upstart made the fast boot times we have today possible
[19:35] <jimmy51_> ah, i see
[19:35] <jimmy51_> wiki says it's event based, not procedural and blocking
[19:35] <yofel> tsimpson: sure, it's new, but sometimes it's hard to leave a solid system behind to switch to the not yet finished next generation system :P
[19:36] <zus> yofel,  i got the plasma-desktop working thank you. would that command also rest my widgets and stuff?
[19:36] <yofel> hm, I don't think so, only if you changed them without logging out properly after that maybe
[19:37] <jimmy51_> learn something new every day, i guess.  thanks.
[19:38] <zus> yofel, i dont know what casued the crash? or if i would loose my widgets and even desktop background but im back tosquare one
[19:38] <lucitu> has anyone seen these annoying popups when you hover on stuff on the taskbar..systray? they looks like mirror image but on the left or right side
[19:40] <lucitu> they don't go away until you move to another desktop
[19:41] <Mamarok> lucitu: just move the mouse out of the panel
[19:43] <lucitu> Mamarok: it goes away but the evil twin on the other side doesn't go away. until you force redraw
[19:43] <Mamarok> evil twin?
[19:44] <Mamarok> lucitu: which Kubuntu are you using? 10.04?
[19:44] <lucitu> Mamarok: the latest and greatest
[19:44] <Mamarok> OK, I don't really see whyt you mean, could you take a snapshot and send it to imagebin.ca?
[19:45] <yofel> lucitu: kde version? 4.4.2 or 4.4.3 ?
[19:45] <Mamarok> ksnapshot is the tool for it
[19:45] <lucitu> yofel: 4.4.3
[19:45] <Mamarok> yofel: that will not make a difference, I simply don't see what he is talking about
[19:45] <electroweak> hi guys anybody ever used sharp AR-5320 printer I can't get it work
[19:46] <jimmy51_> electroweak: i haven't.  we have networked canon printers here.  it was a pain to get working too.
[19:46] <Mamarok> electroweak: did it work before on Linux?
[19:46]  * yofel only has HP printers and they work fine
[19:46] <salvatore> !list
[19:47] <electroweak> Mamarok: no I googled but I couldn't find a proper information about that
[19:47] <lucitu> Mamarok: yofel: what i'm talking about is when you hover on an icon on the systray..a similar looking popup woukld pop up on the left side
[19:47] <yofel> I can't remember seing that ever either
[19:47] <Mamarok> electroweak: have a look at this website to check if your printer has a driver: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting
[19:47] <electroweak> Mamarok: it's a network printer but I plugged it in to see if it's working but nothing happened
[19:47] <lucitu> i'll get a snapshot when it does again bec some it doesn't
[19:48] <Mamarok> lucitu: I have tooltips poping up, but under the mouse, so we really would need a screenshot
[19:48] <yofel> electroweak: how did you plug it in? usb? checked the dmesg output?
[19:48] <Mamarok> electroweak: did you try setting it up with the System Settings -> Printer configuration tool?
[19:49] <electroweak> yofel: it's a usb printer but I didn't checked the dmesg but I can connect it again
[19:49] <electroweak> Mamarok: I tried that but it only has a driver for 5220 and it's not working
[19:50] <Hazamonzo_> hmmm, my new desktop seems to be performing pretty poorly with this new Radeon 5750... I think the ATI drivers are knackered. Anyone have any advice for using ATI drivers and kubuntu 10.4
[19:50] <Mamarok> well, it's not in the database for supported printers, that's usually not a good sign
[19:51] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo_: the radeon driver should work out of the box. Mine works perfectly well
[19:51] <Hazamonzo_> Mamarok: Well it works out of the box but it doesn't work very well. Compisition does not start
[19:51] <electroweak> yofel: dmesg says "usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 18 if 0 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x04DD pid 0x9051"
[19:52] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo_: did you try starting it in the system settings?
[19:52] <Hazamonzo_> Let me see
[19:52] <Hazamonzo_> but now ive noticed my mouse is pretty laggy
[19:52] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo_: System Settings -> Desktop
[19:52] <Hazamonzo_> like the system is having trouble rendering the desktop
[19:53] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo_: you might try to shut down Nepomuk, this is usually the culprit
[19:53] <yofel> electroweak: ok, then the printer is at least recognized when you plug it in, now you have to find a driver for it...
[19:53] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo_: it tends to use too much ressources, so compositing doesn't have enough left
[19:53] <Hazamonzo_> Mamarok: Okay. I'll try to start composition first.. then shut down that other tool
[19:53] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo_: try it the other way round, check with top if Nepomuk is using too much
[19:53] <Hazamonzo_> Mamarok: Okay
[19:54] <electroweak> yofel: do you think windows driver works at any point
[19:54] <yofel> that's pretty impossible, as the kernel interface is completely different
[19:55] <yofel> unless there's something like ndiswrapper for printers
[19:55] <Hazamonzo_> Mamarok: http://imagebin.ca/view/r0bfSf.html
[19:55] <speedvin_> hey
[19:55] <electroweak> yofel: what about a PPD file do you think it's possible to find something ike that
[19:56] <speedvin_> does anyone know where Amarok store it database?
[19:56] <Prajwal> good night
[19:56] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo_: that's what I suspected. Go to the system settings -> Advanced tab -> Desktop search and disable nepomuk
[19:56] <Hazamonzo_> okay
[19:56] <yofel> electroweak: as google, is the only thing I can tell you there as I don't know too much about printers, sry
[19:56] <Mamarok> speedvin_: in $HOME/.kde/share/apps/amarok/
[19:57] <electroweak> yofel: wht about ndiswrapper
[19:57] <speedvin_> Mamarok: Do you mean mysqle dir?
[19:58] <Mamarok> speedvin_: yep, it must be in there
[19:58] <speedvin_> I created database using MySQL shell
[19:58] <yofel> electroweak: that's for wireless drivers
[19:58] <Mamarok> speedvin_: mysql shell?
[19:58] <Mamarok> no need to, unless you want to use it on a different computer, the mysqle works the same
[19:58] <electroweak> yofel: is there anything like that for printers
[19:59] <yofel> electroweak: I don't know
[19:59] <speedvin_> Mamarok: mysql -p -u root
[19:59] <speedvin_> Mamarok: CREATE DATABASE amarok;
[19:59] <speedvin_> *amarokdb
[20:00] <Mamarok> speedvin_: as I said, you don't really need to do that, since MySQL embedded works the same way, with the same capacity. You only need an external MySQL database if you want to access it on another computer
[20:00] <electroweak> yofel: thanks for the help I will check google for some more or I will burn the printer then I will propose a better supported printer to my company :)
[20:00] <Mamarok> speedvin_: no need to shout
[20:01] <speedvin_> ahh ok and what should I do when I want to open it using for examole Kexi?
[20:02] <Mamarok> well, start Kexi and point it to the right directory?
[20:02] <speedvin_> mysqle right?
[20:02] <Hazamonzo> well]
[20:02] <Hazamonzo> Dang
[20:02] <Mamarok> well, not in your case, you must have specified where to creat the database, since you don't use mysqle
[20:03] <speedvin_> :D
[20:03] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: Well i tried to enable composition again but (and its done this a couple of times) i was logged out (i guess the x serevr restarted or something)
[20:04] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo: how much RAM do you have on your computer?
[20:04] <Hazamonzo> 4gbs
[20:04] <Mamarok> that's plenty enough
[20:04] <oxymoron> Gah help me, K3B cannot unmount writable DVD+RW disc and cannot be unmounted in Dolphin eaither? :S What protocol mount dvds?
[20:04] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: Indeed sir. Im thinking its something to do with these ATI drivers
[20:04] <speedvin_> Mamarok: Then Amarok will use db created by MySQL?
[20:05] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo: did you try tweaking the X server settings?
[20:05] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: Im afraid i wouldn't know where to start. Im not so tech savvy
[20:05] <Mamarok> speedvin_: yes, if you set up an external one. But why don't you just try the embedded one?
[20:06] <speedvin_> hmm there are some problem's using emmbemed one
[20:06] <Mamarok> speedvin_: what problems?
[20:06] <oxymoron> I need help now, I MUST burn 5 DVD movies NOW, I am serious I need help now
[20:09] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo: well, you can still try the fglrx drivers, you will need the driver setup with that, too:
[20:09] <Mamarok> !info fglrx | Hazamonzo
[20:10] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: I think im using fglrx drivers (if i do fglrxinfo i get some details)
[20:10] <Hazamonzo> fglrx.. are these the proprietary drivers?
[20:11] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo: well, then you don't use the Radeon one, that might be the reason why you have problems. The fglrx mever worked well for me, only the radeon one
[20:11] <Mamarok> yes, radeon are the free drivers, fglrx the proprietary ones
[20:11] <speedvin_> Mamarok: BTW. How would I know that Amarok does use my db
[20:11] <speedvin_> ?
[20:12] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: would you reccomend the radeon one?
[20:12] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo: of course, that should always be the first choice
[20:12] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo: you need the driver setup tool to disable the proprietary one, just a second
[20:13] <Hazamonzo> ahh, i assumed the recommend one by the system would be the first one to try (fglrx)
[20:13] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: Thanks :)
[20:13] <speedvin_> Hazamonzo: Fglrx need some good configuration to work nice
[20:13] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo: the package is jockey-kde, but make sure you have the radeon driver installed first before diabling the fglrx one
[20:14] <Mamarok> speedvin_: in my experience the new radeon drivers work much better
[20:14] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: Okay, so install Radeon, then jokey-kde then disable fglrx?
[20:14] <speedvin_> Mamarok: I know that you are right :D
[20:14] <Hazamonzo> What might be the radeon package name>?
[20:15] <speedvin_> Hazamonzo: You will need to disable them using jockey-kde package
[20:15] <chakie> has anyone noticed that in lucid the mouse can more or less die in KDE? it works partially in some apps for selecting text, but buttons etc don't work, window switching doesn't, plasma not etc?
[20:15] <speedvin_> Hazamonzo: xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[20:15] <chakie> it's quite annoying and you're more or less forced to "kill -TERM -1"
[20:15] <chakie> or power cycle, as you can't even log out
[20:16] <chakie> for me it happens a few times every day
[20:16] <speedvin_> chakie : I don't noticed that
[20:16] <Hazamonzo> speedvin_: Thanks :)
[20:16] <speedvin_> Hazamonzo: No problem
[20:16] <xevil> chakie: I have not experienced that problem
[20:16] <Rosa> joim/ #valencia
[20:17] <Rosa> join/ #valencia
[20:17] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo: what exact card do you have?
[20:17] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: 2 secs
[20:17] <chakie> xevil, speedvin_ : i don't think it's too common, as it would be a major showstopper
[20:17] <Mamarok> chakie: that is a Qt bug, not really predictable
[20:18] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: Its a Saphire 5750 Radeon 1gb ddr5
[20:18] <Hazamonzo> Thats what you need?
[20:18] <chakie> Mamarok: you know something about it?
[20:18] <liddell> Last night I asked my computer to sleep, something I never ever do, and it hung on the kubuntu logo so I force shut it down. I turned it on this morning and my network icon in the notifications area just says 'Unmanaged" on mouse over, and "Network Management Disabled" when I right click it. I don't even know where to start on diagnosing this properly - Any insight?
[20:18] <chx> I reproduced the bug I filed yesterday -- in short, I have the mouse pointer moving on the screen but clicks dont register and xev does not show the pointer moving events. This happened after a mouse gesture, I think.
[20:18] <Mamarok> chakie: yes, it is a known Qt bug, not much we can do about, this has to be fixed upstream
[20:18] <chx> what should I do, what logs should i produce to help people fixing this highly annoying bug?
[20:19] <chakie> Mamarok: any idea why it can affect non-qt apps like firefox too?
[20:19] <chx> curiously enough, i can clik the K menu and the menu appears but nothing else works.
[20:19] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo: the package name is xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
[20:20] <Hazamonzo> got it
[20:20] <Hazamonzo> I was about to say that when i tried.. sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[20:20] <Hazamonzo> i got the message that it was already installed
[20:20] <Mamarok> chakie: well, KDE uses Qt, you run Firefox inside KDE, I guess that explains it
[20:20] <Hazamonzo> :s
[20:20] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo: but you need the radeonhd one, since you have a HD card
[20:20] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: Installing
[20:20] <Hazamonzo> :)
[20:21] <speedvin_> Hazamonzo: Use hd driver only when you have graphips card from radeon hd series
[20:21] <Hazamonzo> oh, installed :)
[20:21] <Hazamonzo> speedvin_: Got it!
[20:21] <chakie> Mamarok: not really, as firefox gets events from xorg, not qt
[20:21] <Hazamonzo> Okay so thats installed i guess i go for the jokey-kde
[20:21] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo: good luck
[20:21] <Hazamonzo> eek
[20:22] <lucitu> Mamarok: yofel: here is the screen shot http://imagebin.ca/view/bXBUsTv4.html
[20:22] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: jockey-kde already at the newest version
[20:22] <jimmy51_> i haven't had much like with kpackagekit the last few days.  installs start fine but get hung and say "5 minutes 22 seconds" for hours before i cancel.  is this a repo problem, or is there a hung kpackagekit bug?
[20:23] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo: you have to start jockey-kde to disable/enable the fglrx driver
[20:23] <Hazamonzo> as sudo right?
[20:23] <chakie> Mamarok: anyway, thanks for the info, now i know i'm not going insane :)
[20:23] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo: it will ask you the password normally
[20:24] <Mamarok> chakie: you are welcome
[20:24] <liddell> Last night I asked my computer to sleep, something I never ever do, and it hung on the kubuntu logo so I force shut it down. I turned it on this morning and my network icon in the notifications area just says 'Unmanaged" on mouse over, and "Network Management Disabled" when I right click it. Any pointers on how to start diagnosing this? I'm not sure where to start.
[20:24] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: Okay. So i click remove now i guess?
[20:24] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo: well, I didn't use it recently, but the tool should be self-explaining
[20:24] <Hazamonzo> Not many other options (sorry for the walkthough but i don't wan't to screw up since i have work that needs to be done later :) )
[20:25] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo: are you familiar with the command lien in case it causes problems?
[20:25] <Mamarok> line*
[20:25] <lucitu> has anyone seen anything like this?http://imagebin.ca/view/bXBUsTv4.html
[20:25] <marty> I can't switch users.  It simply locks the existing account.  What am I missing?
[20:25] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: Okay. Well i have the fglrx listed. So i clicked remove
[20:26] <Mamarok> lucitu: I am looking into it right now. You have that only with Amarok or also other apps?
[20:26] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: All i need to do is enable the radeon one now?
[20:26] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo: it will be enabkled by default, no need to tell the system
[20:26] <lucitu> Mamarok: not limited to amarok..anything on the systray or panel
[20:26] <liddell> lucitu: I get that all the time.
[20:26] <lucitu> liddell: it's bad
[20:27] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: Okay. So i guess im finished then? :)
[20:27] <Mamarok> lucitu: well, you can disable the notifications of the systray, right click on it, then you chpoose what notifications you want to see
[20:27] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo: yes, you need to restart KDE (just logout and login again)
[20:27] <lucitu> Mamarok: ??
[20:27] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: Okay. brb
[20:28] <Mamarok> lucitu: right click on the systray, you can then choose the systray settings and dsiable the notification for the apps
[20:28] <Mamarok> disable*
[20:28] <lucitu> Mamarok: i don't want any popup to draw itself again where it's not supposed to
[20:28] <Mamarok> lucitu: yes, I understood what you say, change the systray settings then
[20:29] <Mamarok> if you have notifications enabled for applications that is the normal behavior
[20:29] <Hazamonzo> Hmm, well not alot has changed it would seem :s
[20:29] <Mamarok> and it is supposed to pop up exactly there, on the systray
[20:30] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo: that is a good sign, it went well :)
[20:30] <Mamarok> now try enabling the compositing again
[20:30] <lucitu> Mamarok: i don't understand what you are saying..do you see the blue thing on the left side?
[20:30] <Mamarok> lucitu: left? wait, let me check again
[20:31] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: No luck. I mean.. when i try to enable the first time it says no, then i click the same button a second time and it says yes. But nothing actaully happens. When i clocse the window and go back the compositing is disabled again :s
[20:31] <lucitu> Mamarok: that's the evil twin
[20:31] <Mamarok> lucitu: yep, now I see it, that looks like a plasma bug. Did you disable compositing on purpose?
[20:32] <lucitu> Mamarok: that's what i suspected..no composting
[20:33] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: http://imagebin.ca/view/syj0oy.html
[20:33] <liddell> I booted up today and my network icon in the system tray just says "Unmanaged" - how would I diagnose/fix this?
[20:33] <Mamarok> lucitu: OK. But it must be some plasma bug, only reason I can guess. I never had that, but I use compositing
[20:33] <lucitu> liddell: did you see the mirror image of the amarok popup on the far left side?  is this what you call normal?
[20:33] <Hazamonzo> its weird... the desktop doesn't feel very smooth either when dragging windows. And the refresh is a little slow (as if i was running out of memory)
[20:34] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo: you did disable Nepomuk, didn't you?
[20:34] <lucitu> Mamarok: this is a fresh install and could not enable composting..
[20:34] <liddell> I see it, lucitu, and I have been encountering it for at least a year and ignoring it.
[20:34] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: I did yes. Its not in the task manager anymore :)
[20:35] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo: and you have no nepomuk pid running at all?
[20:35] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: I just check and i had one. nopumukserver :s
[20:35] <Hazamonzo> Just killed it
[20:35] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo: you might have to disable a few desktop effects, try with only 2 or 3, then retart again
[20:35] <liddell> lucitu:try Mamarok's suggestion and enablee window compositing?
[20:36] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo: if you kill nempomuk, it will just restart again next time you login KDE, you must disable it in the system settings
[20:36] <lucitu> liddell: i'm annoyed with it bec then I have to force the window under it to redraw
[20:36] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: See im thinking that maybe i do not even have any 3d enabled at all. If i try to enable desktop effects (not the compositing) i get the erro i pasted in imagebin before
[20:36] <Hazamonzo> but i'll give it a try
[20:38] <liddell> lucitu: I'm a lowly largely non technical end user, so good luck! I know it is annoying, it happens to me too. Try compositing!
[20:38] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo: is your card new? According to ATI the 3D support is only scheduled for 2010
[20:39] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: Its pretty new. I mean.. i bought it a couple of days ago :)
[20:39] <Mamarok> so it might not be enabled on your card
[20:40] <Mamarok> hm, check the leaflet and techincal features
[20:40] <Mamarok> technical*
[20:40] <Mamarok> apparently thoe built in 2009 didn't have OpenGL support enabled
[20:40] <Mamarok> http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/ati-radeon-hd-5000/hd-5750/Pages/ati-radeon-hd-5750-specifications.aspx, footnote 1
[20:40] <Hazamonzo> interesting
[20:42]  * Hazamonzo liked his old Geforce 8800 GT better
[20:44] <lucitu> liddell: it's ok..i doubt it's composting as i see it also when composting is on
[20:45] <liddell> I booted up today and my network icon in the system tray just says "Unmanaged" - how would I diagnose/fix this?
[20:46] <Mamarok> liddell: right click on it and check the settings?
[20:46] <liddell> right clicking on it just says "network management disabled"
[20:47] <aer> buenas
[20:47] <Mamarok> what does a left click do?
[20:47] <Mamarok> !es | aer
[20:48] <aer> hello ubottu... i'm sorry
[20:48] <liddell> same message actually!
[20:50] <Mamarok> liddell: check the Network settings in the system settings
[20:51] <liddell> alright, one moment :)
[20:54] <liddell> Mamarok:Hmm my wireless connections are still there, marked when I last used them. The proxy is off, everything looks good. Nothing in 'Service Discovery' though, should there be?
[20:55] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok:
[20:55] <Hazamonzo> weeeeeeeeeeeird
[20:55] <Hazamonzo> The radeon drivers were really sucky for some reason so i reinstalled the fglrx ones
[20:55] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo: no need to shout :)
[20:56] <Hazamonzo> Compositing works Now :s
[20:56] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: Sorry. I was excited :D
[20:56] <aer> I have a problem with Skype and Kubuntu 10.4, I can call contacts, but they don't hear me very well
[20:56] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo: nice that it works now :)
[20:56] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: So yeah.... who knows? But thank you soo much for spending the time to help me fix this. Really appreciated!
[20:56] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: Thank you
[20:57] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo: you are welcome, nice it works now :)
[20:57] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: Although i will say one thing... it removed all my panel for me :)
[20:57] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo: oops, that should not happen, but you can put it back
[20:58] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: Indeed. Its an art ;)
[20:58] <liddell> aer: try typing alsamixer into a terminal and make sure all the settings are up
[21:01] <aer> thanks liddell... I will try
[21:02] <aer> but, with another program (like twinkle) this work very well
[21:04] <liddell> I assume you checked all the Skype settings?
[21:05] <aer> yes, of course
[21:05] <aer> the sound in skype is like if I was under water
[21:07] <liddell> Hmm I wish I had more insight on this, I'm not a very technical user.
[21:08] <aer> ok, liddell, thanks
[21:08] <jimmy51_> for 10.04, should i use OSS, ALSA, or PulseAudio for Host Audio Driver in VirtualBox?
[21:09] <speedvin_> ALSA
[21:10] <Hazamonzo> hmmm. Dang
[21:11] <Hazamonzo> I may have wobbly windows but the performance is very poor :( Not to mention when i log out and back in compositing is disabled again
[21:11] <jimmy51_> speedvin_: ok, trying that one.  if my kernel crashes and i disconnect you'll know why :)
[21:12] <speedvin_> :D
[21:12] <speedvin_> no it won't
[21:14] <Hazamonzo> another restart
[21:17] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo: about the wobbly windows: did you change the wobbling speed?
[21:18] <Hazamonzo> Oh i give up. I guess it wasn't meant to be
[21:19] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo: about the wobbly windows: did you change the wobbling speed?
[21:19] <Mamarok> the default is rather slow
[21:19] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: Naah,
[21:19] <Hazamonzo> Its just a little odd... since after i log off / in compositing is off
[21:19] <Hazamonzo> But i can enable it these days
[21:20] <Mamarok> that is strange, should not happen, but maybe the driver is not that good
[21:20] <Hazamonzo> but i have to becauseful because if i change a setting i could get thown out to the ligin screen
[21:20] <Hazamonzo> (i guess x server crashed or something)
[21:20] <Mamarok> usually the fglrx drivers are not really state of the art, unfortunately
[21:20] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: I guess i should be happy i can see anything at all
[21:21] <Mamarok> well, it's not much we can do, since we sadly depend on the manufacturers to either provide good drivers or document the cards, and they don't do the latter
[21:21] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: Maybe i will give it time and something will get fixed or updated
[21:21] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: No worries! Thanks for all the help :D
[21:22] <Mamarok> yes, it might well end up to be supported in the radeon driver, I had no compositing for almost two years, it works fine now with the new X server
[21:26] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: That waiting game eh :)
[21:30] <Mamarok> Hazamonzo: unfortunate, but not much of a choice
[21:31] <Hazamonzo> :)
[21:46] <lvlech> hello
[21:46] <pibarnas> hi folks, I cant listen sounds when watching videos... any ideas?
[21:47] <Kubry> Can you hear songs playing them with Amarok, for example?
[21:47] <markit> hi, how can I activate the effect, don't know it's english name, that if I put the mouse in upper left corner, all the current windows miniatures are shown?
[21:47] <pibarnas> Kubry: yep.
[21:47] <pibarnas> Kubry: I can hear them.
[21:48] <lvlech> does anyone know how to enable network manager?
[21:48] <Kubry> Markit: go to something like System Preferences > Desktop > Screen borders  and click on that corner
[21:48] <markit> "click on that corner"?
[21:48] <lvlech> the bottom right?
[21:48] <Kubry> Pibarnas:  which program is launched when you click on a video?
[21:49] <markit> Kubry: right, thanks!
[21:49] <markit> lol, never thought that clicking there would have shown a menu
[21:49] <pibarnas> dragon player... Ive tried to install vlc, but surprisingly I can't
[21:49] <markit> tons options are very well hidden :)
[21:50] <toni> Hi folks.  I have a Sony Vaio vgn-n220e with Atheros ar5001 Kubuntu 10.04.  I can't connect to wpa aes.
[21:50] <lvlech> I see the network manager looking tray icon, but when I click it it say, "network management disabled."
[21:50] <lvlech> my wireless light is not lit either
[21:50] <pibarnas> Kubry: it seems to get working the vlc install now, through terminal...
[21:52] <Kubry> I'm back
[21:52] <lvlech> toni: is your router set to wpa?
[21:52] <Kubry> Did anyone write somehing to me?
[21:52] <toni> yes, and the password is correct
[21:52] <liddell> lvlech: I am having the same problem right now!
[21:53] <lvlech> what is the name of your router?
[21:53] <toni> the brand? Linksys
[21:53] <lvlech> wrt54gs2?
[21:54] <toni> wrt54g I think
[21:55] <liddell> I booted up today and my network icon in the system tray just says "Unmanaged" on mouseover and "Network Management Disabled" on click - how would I diagnose/fix this?
[21:55] <toni> I can connect to other unsecured linksys routers
[21:55] <toni> in the neighborhood
[21:55] <toni> am on one now
[21:55] <lvlech> toni: lol toni
[21:55] <toni> :D
[21:56] <lvlech> toni: have you tried resetting your router?
[21:56] <toughbook> Trying to add OSX to grub with no luck. Anyone that can lend a hand. Tried root (hd0) chainloader +1 and all that already.
[21:56] <toni> rebooting it?
[21:56] <lvlech> toni: ya
[21:56] <lvlech> rebooting the router
[21:57] <toni> can do... anything else I can do while I'm down there... it's two flights of stairs down and back
[21:58] <toni> ok... brb
[22:10] <lvlech> yes! I fix the "network manager disabled" thing
[22:10] <bunnygurl> lvlech, thanks so much.  I can't believe rebooting the router did it.  *facepalms*
[22:10] <lvlech> cool
[22:10] <lvlech> glad I can help
[22:11] <bunnygurl> after all the drivers I tried... ugh!!
[22:11] <bunnygurl> sigh
[22:11] <bunnygurl> thanks again
[22:12] <lvlech> you're welcome
[22:12] <lvlech> someone in here said their "network manager is disabled"
[22:14] <lvlech> to fix it, check /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf if [ifupdown] managed=false. If it is change it true.
[22:14] <lvlech> and 2) check /var/lib/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.state
[22:15] <lvlech> if they are all true
[22:15] <Kubry> I do it in this simple way:
[22:16] <Kubry> sudo service network-manager stop
[22:16] <Kubry> sudo rm /var/lib/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.state
[22:16] <Kubry> sudo service network-manager start
[22:17] <lvlech> thanks
[22:20] <rav> hello. I see that lucid is available now. How reliable is the update feature? Or should I just do an install from scratch?
[22:21] <pibarnas> is it possible to wathc flv videos in kubuntu lucid with sound?
[22:24] <BluesKaj> pibarnas, afaik VLC will play flv files , make sure you flashplugin-nonfree for browser based media
[22:26] <pibarnas> BluesKaj: downloading. thanks a lot.
[22:28] <Kubry> Pibarnas: ¿how do you save the flv file?
[22:29] <pibarnas> Kubry: I got with a firefox extension...
[22:33] <rav> when you do an install with a separate home partition, does the data on the home partition gets modified?
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> rav: you mean when you do a new install on a system that already has a separate /home?
[22:34] <txwikinger> rav: Not by the install
[22:35] <rav> JontheEchidna: yes. I already have a separate /home
[22:36] <liddell> Kubry and lvlech you fixed it! Thanks so much!
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> rav: as txwikinger said, not unless you tell it to format /home
[22:37] <rav> JontheEchidna: doesn't that mess things up with all the settings and config directories hidden in my home from the old system?
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> if you downgraded ubuntu versions or installed a different distro, perhaps
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> There are never any garuantees, but reinstalling the same version of Kubuntu it'd in theory be safe
[22:40] <rav> JontheEchidna: i guess there's only one way to find out, heh. are there major changes from karmic to lucid?
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> rav: upgrading or downgrading?
[22:41] <rav> JontheEchidna: upgrading to lucid
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> upgrading should also be ok, since things should in theory handle config from old versions
[22:42] <ahmad> hi all, I am new with ubuntu, I have successfully installed postgresql-8.4 and also pgadmin3 on ubuntu 10.2, but pgadmin3 can not connect to database. I am sure that my server is running and listening to connections. Could any one help me?
[22:43] <rav> JontheEchidna: i have upgrade phobia since I did the intrepid->jaunty upgrade. that was a mess. I've done full installs since then, but moving all my stuff around is such a pain. when switching to  karmic, i made the separate /home, in hope of easing the upgrading.
[22:44] <slow-motion> n8
[22:47] <BluesKaj> rav, I've reinstalled to / without formatting, the nondefault apps will retain their config files and settings, altho you may need to reinstall them.
[22:48] <BluesKaj> what I mean is, reinstall the apps themselves
[22:48] <SaviorX> wooooohooooooooooo i'm really feeeeelin' HOME :D
[22:50] <rav> BluesKaj: i think that'd be the middleground solution
[22:51] <bdizzle> hi, I am having problems emptying my trash. Kubuntu claims that the trash has reached its maximum size and to cleanup the trash manually
[22:51] <bdizzle> except my trashcan is empty
[22:52] <BluesKaj> bdizzle, yeah , that usually happens if you're trying to remove a large file
[22:53] <BluesKaj> i havent seen it for a while tho
[22:53] <bdizzle> it was a 37 kb file...
[22:54] <rav> bdizzle: i had something similar happen to me, but it was because the file had root permissions only. you can open the trash folder, hit F4 and remove it with 'sudo rm <filename>'
[22:55] <SaviorX> guys i have a question, what advanced irc scripts for undernet and dalnet? any names?
[22:55] <bdizzle> yeah, it can be removed normally via CLI, but its annoying that it can't be sent to the trash via GUI
[22:56] <BluesKaj> yeah well, rm -rf filename works if you need it
[22:56] <bdizzle> oh of that I am certain
[22:59] <amichair> is there an alternative to kbluetooth? it keeps crashing and doesn't detect devices
[23:13] <wantuil_> oi
[23:31] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  I'm trying to change the color and shadow of the icons on my desktop.  I've looked through System Settings but I can't find the option to change them.
[23:32] <AnnaZ> right, the only way for that is another plasma theme i suppose.
[23:35] <Ertain> I shall look at those, AnnaZ.
[23:35]  * Ertain looks into a different plasma theme.
[23:35] <billy> hello
[23:36] <billy> hellooooooo
[23:36] <amichair> is there a good working alternative to kbluetooth?
[23:38] <letharion> The first time I started up Kubuntu, the network manager identified my mobilde broadband modem correctly, and I quickly got online. After a reboot however, the modem is only recognized as a Flash-drive/CD. I don't know how to fix this, please help :)
[23:39] <BluesKaj> letharion, have you tried to reconfigure NM since the reboot ?
[23:39] <AnnaZ> amichair: why alternative? last time i checked it worked quite as it should.
[23:39] <amichair> AnnaZ: it's crashing when I try making the device discoverable, and not detecting devices otherwise
[23:40] <Lzergs> tem brasileiro nessa porra?
[23:40] <AnnaZ> !br
[23:40] <letharion> BluesKaj: No, please elaborate. There is no longer an option to "Create a mobile connection", as there was when the modem was identified. My settings remain and look correct within the program however.
[23:40] <AnnaZ> amichair: ... last time i checked might have been on 9.10 though :)
[23:41] <Lzergs> kurumin!!!!!!!!
[23:41] <Lzergs> hahaha
[23:41] <AnnaZ> letharion: your lsusb output might be mighty fine.
[23:42] <Ertain> Dang, even when I look at the color scheme editor under System Setting I can't find the option for changing the fonts of the desktop icons.
[23:42] <amichair> AnnaZ: on karmic the bt usb dongle wasn't properly recognized, and I had no kbt tray icon. Now using hcitool I can see it's ok (it sees the phone I'm trying to connect to), but kbt doesn't see anything and/or crashes.
[23:42] <AnnaZ> amichair: are you sure your bluetooth dongle isn't quite dead?
[23:43] <BluesKaj> letharion, iwconfig show any wlan0 details , if so pastebin them pls
[23:43] <letharion> lsusb lists one "Huawei technologies" device, which is correct, as far as I can tell.
[23:43] <AnnaZ> amichair: cause i'm sure i did just that on kubuntu recently-ish - either 9.10 or 10.4, don't remember.
[23:43] <AnnaZ> letharion: lsusb -t, i wanna know whether your device contains a hub.
[23:44] <letharion> BluesKaj: They're kinda difficult to pastebin, since that computer has no internet, but they look very uninteresting. "ESSID:off/any" "Access Point: Not-Associated"
[23:45] <amichair> AnnaZ: "hcitool scan" shows the phone name, so it's at least partially working. and on my winxp netbook it works flawlessly, so it's not the hardware.
[23:47] <BluesKaj> letharion, try ifup wlan0
[23:47] <amichair> can you recommend any other simple bluetooth gui utillity that works well?
[23:50] <letharion> AnnaZ: Ok, not quite sure what I'm looking for. By removing and adding the device I can see that it presents two "If"s (Interfaces?) on the same port.
[23:51] <BluesKaj> ok, guess I'll back off ..too many cooks
[23:51] <AnnaZ> letharion: to be frank i'm not sure what i'm looking for either, but i expect it to be both a disk (with windows drivers) and a radio device.
[23:51] <AnnaZ> BluesKaj: no, please continue. i have no idea really.
[23:51] <BluesKaj> don't need to confuse the issue
[23:52] <BluesKaj> BBL
[23:52] <AnnaZ> either they are both present at the same time, or there is some condition that detaches one and attaches another -.-
[23:53] <AnnaZ> nah bet he didn't know anything at all anyway :)
[23:53] <letharion> ^^
[23:54] <AnnaZ> have you used the same device under windows already?
[23:54] <letharion> It's just really strange that it worked flawlessly with zero config at first...
[23:54] <AnnaZ> does the disk stay hidden in normal operation?
[23:54] <letharion> Yeah, I have. I'm gonna boot back and see if windows somehow "triggers" it
[23:54] <letharion> I think so, but I have to check to be sure
[23:54] <Lzergs> brasil vai ganhar a copa!
[23:56] <letharion> Hmm, no, under normal operation, I have an extra "cd-player"
[23:59] <kerim> hii
[23:59] <letharion> AnnaZ: Now it works... After starting windows and going back