[00:24] <jbebel> Is there any more official method of reporting a regression in a package in -proposed than finding the bugs it is supposed to fix in the changelog and reporting there that verification failed?
[00:31] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates says to open a bug with the regression-proposed tag, comment on the SRU bug & tag it verification-failed
[00:37] <ryan22> i was just wondering how many developers ubuntu has who specialize in accessibility
[05:51] <zord> Hi all: has anyone worked ion touchscreen apps?
[05:57] <zord> Anyone here???????
[05:57] <zord> anyone here hear me or r u not hearing me because i'm here?
[05:58] <zord> I guess these days nobody develops software for ubuntu, EXCEPT CANONICAL/
[06:00] <zord> gone/
[06:00] <ajmitch> oh dear, what a shame
[07:37] <pitti> Good morning
[07:53] <nigelbabu> morning pitti :)
[09:04] <Nafai> Is there a way to use apt-file to search a prior release?
[09:05] <jpds> Nafai: --sources-list ?
[09:06] <Nafai> ah
[09:26] <cotedivoire> Hello everyone I am looking to add a change Ubiquity Côte d'Ivoire in the list of PAys
[10:17] <markoz> hi
[10:33] <markoz> I'm deploying ubuntu in my company, what is the best way to have local changes to configuration (pam - ldap) and still have easy way to upgrade etc?
[10:34] <markoz> I was thinking about deb packages with changes to configuration but would that conflict with oryginal packages owning these files?
[10:34] <cwillu_at_work> markoz, you can divert and so forth
[10:35] <cwillu_at_work> many packages also have config dirs instead or in addition to single config files, which you can just dump new files into
[10:35] <ion> chef/puppet perhaps. (I’ll be switching from puppet to chef due to puppet’s limitations.)
[10:36] <StevenK> pitti: php5 is currently building on cushaw, thanks to bigjools.
[10:36] <pitti> yohoo
[10:37] <markoz> hmm config dir would be good but not sure if every package I need to configure uses that
[10:37] <markoz> I've read debian policy on conflicts in configuration files
[10:38] <markoz> best would be to have deb package with modifications to the files I need but fwiw this is not an option
[10:38] <ion> What i said. :-P
[10:39] <markoz> we have puppet for servers ;) not an option for desktop imo due to company structure here etc.
[10:39] <markoz> (long story)
[10:40] <markoz> what I need is ubuntu + local modifications which can be tracked, maintained, applied, reverted
[10:41] <markoz> modifications are mainly in configuration files
[10:41] <markoz> and that's it
[10:41] <markoz> just not sure how to achieve that so that it would live long and generate no problems with upgrades
[10:42] <soren> markoz: etckeeper.
[10:45] <wgrant> pitti: So you uploaded gvfs to lucid-proposed, waited for it to build (except for powerpc, which failed due to some buildd glitch), then copied to maverick, then tried and failed to copy from lucid-proposed to lucid-updates?
[10:45] <markoz> soren: interesting - will look into this
[10:45] <pitti> wgrant: pretty much, yes
[10:45] <pitti> wgrant: oh, did it attempt to build the missing powerpc binaries on maverick?
[10:45] <wgrant> pitti: Precisely.
[10:46] <StevenK> pitti: It did, yes, and it was sucessful
[10:46] <pitti> that explains it; d'oh
[10:46] <pitti> I should have looked earlier
[10:46] <wgrant> So the easiest way is probably to reupload to lucid-proposed, make sure it actually finishes building properly, then copy to maverick and lucid-updates.
[10:46] <pitti> *nod*
[10:46] <pitti> wgrant, StevenK: thanks for investigating!
[10:46] <wgrant> Bug #527551
[10:46] <StevenK> pitti: Welcome *hugs*
[10:51] <markoz> cwillu_at_work: divert seems like a way to go as well, thanks
[11:07] <Abhishek_Singh> folks:please telle me how to make a .deb file from a tarball(source code) that doesn't have a makefile
[11:08] <Abhishek_Singh> Currently it has a install.sh (shell script) to install it
[11:08] <Abhishek_Singh> During the course of installation it asks for password for postgresql database(that is prerequisite for its installation) several times.
[11:08] <Abhishek_Singh> I want to have GUI for that too i.e to allow a user to key in the passwords in the GUI Window.
[11:15] <astraljava> Abhishek_Singh: Might I suggest: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide
[11:16] <Abhishek_Singh> ok i will got through that link
[11:16] <Abhishek_Singh> astraljava:thanks
[11:17] <astraljava> Abhishek_Singh: #ubuntu-motu is the channel that helps with packaging issues, once you have a pretty solid packaging done. Best is to upload the package to REVU, and ask for reviewing then.
[11:18] <Abhishek_Singh> what is REVU?
[11:19] <cjwatson> Abhishek_Singh: first hit on google
[11:19] <cjwatson> well, first if you google for "revu ubuntu"
[11:20] <Abhishek_Singh> cjwatson: thanks
[11:20] <astraljava> revu.ubuntuwire.com, a place that tracks new packages meant to enter Ubuntu repositories. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[11:21] <Abhishek_Singh> ok i will go through the links that you have suggested
[12:15] <gartral> alright, i dont show my head here often, but today is an emergency, ubuntu's logd is completely brainfucked, for lack of a more apropiate term, as it makes logs, and stores old logs, but just the files, not text inside, completly nullifying the point of logs.. can anyone help me?
[12:29] <joaopinto> gartral, try #ubuntu for support
[12:30] <gartral> joaopinto: ... how thick are you people, i've been in #ubuntu for a hour now and not one mention of any four of my problems, like i said, i normally wouldnt come here for supprt, but this is an emergency..
[12:31] <azeem> gartral: file a bug
[12:32] <gartral> azeem: im fairly sure this isnt a normal bug, as i can only get my one computer to reproduce the problem
[12:33] <joaopinto> gartral, this is not an emergency support channel, on #ubuntu there is more people dedicated to support, any kind, from emergency to regular :)
[12:33] <joaopinto> gartral, a normal bug does not need to be reproducible across different systems
[12:33] <azeem> gartral: then look into canonical or other paid support, maybe
[12:34] <gartral> if i wanted that, i'de use redhat
[12:46] <gartral> well then heres a development question: when is the complete removal of mono from ubuntu going to take place? :)
[12:46] <jpds> gartral: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-June/000584.html
[12:51] <gartral> what about development of a seperate strian of ubuntu specifically lacking all closed source/patented materials for use in regions where laws forbid the use of patented software without licensing/approval? (not that the US currently upholds any such laws, but im awear of at least two countries in south america that do)
[12:52] <kklimonda> isn't it what gnewsense is about?
[12:53] <gartral> i havent heard of gnewsense
[12:53] <azeem> "How do you tell if a piece of software violates a patent? Run wc -l on the source; if the number is greater than 1000, it probably does." -- Nat Friedman
[12:53] <azeem> gartral: maybe you should start researching a bit then
[12:53] <gartral> azeem: how does that work? ive never heard that before
[13:01] <gartral> gnewsense is no longer ubuntu-related, leading me back to my previous question: when will an official ubuntu strain, lacking mono/other non free softwares, be availible?
[13:02] <gartral> kklimonda: ^^^
[13:02] <kklimonda> gartral: why not use gnewsense anyway?
[13:03] <joaopinto> gartral, what makes you believe there will be one ?
[13:04] <joaopinto> and mono is classified as free software, afaik
[13:04] <gartral> joaopinto: the overall stance cononical and the ubuntu community has twards open source, and the huge social upheval twords mono right now and their sea of lawer-troll-sharks
[13:05] <joaopinto> gartral, mono is open source, there was a recent statement about mono in Ubuntu
[13:07] <joaopinto> gartral, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-June/000584.html
[13:07] <gartral> joaopinto: the framework is opensource, yes, but it doesnt do all it says it should, those of us with mono installed cant use the .net framework to watch movies on netflix, despite meeting every other concevable requirment, and novell and M$ are both concidered great evils..
[13:08] <ScottK> gartral: If you want an Ubuntu flavor with no mono, Kubuntu includes no mono applications in the default install.
[13:08] <gartral> ScottK: ah, and why does ubuntu? (im mearly curious, i've gone through and striped as much mono as i can from my installation
[13:09] <joaopinto> gartral, I hope Ubuntu doesn't turn into a social managed distribution, splitting Evil and God software :)
[13:09] <gartral> really, i wouldnt mind using mono so much if novell would stop lying about what mono is capable of
[13:09] <ScottK> I'm not a developer that is focused on the Ubuntu desktop, but my understanding is they are trying to pick the best applications for certain functions and don't care if it's in mono or not.
[13:10] <joaopinto> gartral, there is an explanation on the link I have provided :)
[13:11] <gartral> there was talk about mono being used for part of the next x.org.. im truly frightened at that possibility
[13:13] <joaopinto> gartral, that seems more like an anti mono troll rumour
[13:13] <gartral> joaopinto: like i said, i heard it somewhere, im deffinatly not officiall supporting the statment!
[13:13] <gartral> officially*
[13:14] <joaopinto> gartral, there are too many trolls, start filtering :P
[13:14] <gartral> lol
[13:17] <gartral> joaopinto: have to admit thoug, it's a scarey thought
[16:03] <beuno> pitti, ping
[16:14] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: could you check package ttf-cjk-compact whether is it ready to sync? from debian/changelog: fix po2ul.rb to work with updated libruby1.8-gettext
[16:23] <pitti> beuno: pong; please just ask, I'm not on IRC that often during UDS
[16:24]  * psusi wonders how UDS is going and wishes he was there
[16:26] <beuno> pitti, hi  :)    what do you know about the offline start page in Lucid?   I think it's gone, and I'd like it back
[16:26] <beuno> (firefox start page, that is)
[16:26] <pitti> beuno: It's supposed to be there; chrisccoulson is the man to talk to
[16:27] <beuno> pitti, thanks, I'll email him
[16:51] <psusi> what exactly is 10.04.1?
[16:52] <ari-tczew> psusi: 10.04 with bug fixes
[16:52] <psusi> are the release images actually going to be respun with the latest SRUs?
[16:52] <ari-tczew> something like that
[16:53] <psusi> so basically everything in -updates will be incorporated into a new iso?
[16:53] <psusi> hrm... interesting... I guess I better get on making an SRU to fix the dmraid breakage then
[16:54] <ari-tczew> yea, -updates include
[17:00] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: I looked at it briefly the other day; it still needs the port to python; whether it works with an updated libruby1.8-gettext is irrelevant to the reason I gave in the original changelog
[17:00] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: the merge is on my list and I will do it
[17:01] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: ok
[19:42] <NoobFukaire> if any canonical people are here, apparently valve has announced linux support for their titles and steam
[19:42] <NoobFukaire> is canonical planning on making any overtures to valve to get steam put into canonical's software repo?
[19:42] <NoobFukaire> it'd be great to have that ready to go for ubuntu users
[19:43] <NoobFukaire> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=valve_steam_announcement&num=1
[23:25] <gangil> Hi , when I am using icat <device-name> <<file's inode number> , it isnt shoeing the output  ? what's wrong ?
[23:25] <gangil> For example , I gave : icat /dev/sda1 132610
[23:26] <gangil> that's the inode number of a file a.txt that I created on my desktop , and found out uding ls -i a.txt
[23:26] <gangil> can anyone help :-/
[23:30] <gangil> here is the link to what i have been tryin
[23:30] <arand> gangil: Mind that #ubuntu is the proper channel for support, not here.