| xuacu | hi! | 00:21 |
|---|---|---|
| daker | hi xuacu | 00:21 |
| xuacu | daker: have you already fixed Ubuntu-manual -website translations in Launchpad? | 00:25 |
| daker | not yet, iam working on | 00:26 |
| daker | https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website/trunk/+imports | 00:26 |
| daker | the po files want be imported | 00:26 |
| xuacu | if you can skip ast, it would be great | 00:27 |
| xuacu | I did it myself | 00:27 |
| daker | i know :) | 00:27 |
| xuacu | ok, thx :) | 00:27 |
| IlyaHaykinson | godbyk: did you manage to listen in on the UDS sessions? | 09:10 |
| godbyk | IlyaHaykinson: Yeah. | 09:11 |
| godbyk | I'm listening to one on Nautilus right now -- or trying to. They need to speak up. | 09:11 |
| godbyk | IlyaHaykinson: Which session(s) were you interested in? | 09:11 |
| IlyaHaykinson | the appstore one | 09:11 |
| IlyaHaykinson | How to deliver new, fun, and interesting applications to the current release | 09:12 |
| IlyaHaykinson | it's at noon their local time | 09:12 |
| IlyaHaykinson | i.e. in two hours, i guess | 09:12 |
| IlyaHaykinson | just used icecast.ubuntu.com? | 09:12 |
| IlyaHaykinson | or was there an irc channel too? | 09:12 |
| godbyk | IlyaHaykinson: I'm recording the sessions I'm interested in from icecast and also monitoring the irc channels. | 09:12 |
| IlyaHaykinson | what are the channels? | 09:13 |
| godbyk | I'll record that session for ya. | 09:13 |
| godbyk | streams: http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/ | 09:13 |
| godbyk | channels: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-M/RemoteParticipation | 09:13 |
| IlyaHaykinson | ooh thanks | 09:13 |
| IlyaHaykinson | now to decide whether i can afford to stay up till 4am my time... *sigh* | 09:15 |
| godbyk | heh | 09:16 |
| godbyk | I'm jobless (at least until the end of the week), so I'm just getting up at 1 a.m. and attending remotely. | 09:17 |
| godbyk | It's really strange fixing lunch at 6 a.m., though. | 09:17 |
| godbyk | IlyaHaykinson: also, keep refreshing the schedule because they like to rearrange sessions at the last moment. | 09:17 |
| IlyaHaykinson | heh. thanks. | 09:17 |
| thorwil | hi vish! how's uds going for you, so far? | 09:18 |
| vish | thorwil: in nautilus session.. | 09:19 |
| vish | :) | 09:19 |
| godbyk | vish: transcribe it for us! | 09:20 |
| godbyk | or tell them to speak up (talk into the microphones) | 09:20 |
| godbyk | we can't hear much of anything. | 09:20 |
| thorwil | vish: of course. anyone proposed to start from scratch, yet? ;) | 09:20 |
| vish | thorwil: ha not yet ;p | 09:21 |
| humphreybc | hello hello | 10:30 |
| godbyk | Morning, humphreybc | 10:30 |
| humphreybc | morning :) | 10:30 |
| godbyk | How're you enjoying UDS so far? | 10:31 |
| humphreybc | it's good, although I slept in this morning - didn't hit the hay till 2:30 last night | 10:31 |
| humphreybc | was drinking with some OEM guys | 10:31 |
| humphreybc | went out for dinner with Vishnoo and Kyle and a heap of others | 10:32 |
| godbyk | cool | 10:32 |
| godbyk | how was your convo with kyle? | 10:32 |
| humphreybc | good good, he toasted the ubuntu manual project :) | 10:33 |
| humphreybc | loves what we've got planned | 10:33 |
| godbyk | cool | 10:33 |
| humphreybc | yeah | 10:33 |
| humphreybc | i'm not sure what's happening with some of my sessions | 10:34 |
| godbyk | everything keeps getting shuffled about. | 10:34 |
| godbyk | do you know if they scheduled the ui data collection one? or is that completely off the table for uds? | 10:34 |
| humphreybc | not sure, I talked to Charline and Ivanka about it and I think they're meant to be doing it asap | 10:34 |
| godbyk | (if it's off the table, that's fine, I can write a better essay about it and post it to ayatana, etc.) | 10:35 |
| humphreybc | I'll pester them again | 10:35 |
| godbyk | lemme know if/when it gets scheduled. | 10:35 |
| humphreybc | okay | 10:35 |
| humphreybc | are there any sessions you think we need? | 10:35 |
| godbyk | I'm not sure yet. I've only looked at morning sessions so far. | 10:36 |
| godbyk | I'll plan my afternoon sessions as soon as the current session is over. | 10:36 |
| humphreybc | kk | 10:36 |
| humphreybc | what are you in now? | 10:36 |
| godbyk | I'm listening to a session on docs for packing. | 10:37 |
| godbyk | docs for packaging, rather. | 10:37 |
| humphreybc | oh yes? | 10:37 |
| godbyk | yeah, I've only been half-listening, though. talking to people online. | 10:38 |
| humphreybc | okay | 10:38 |
| humphreybc | what was the name of that site we found, similar to ohloh that connects people to projects/ | 10:39 |
| godbyk | it sounds like a lot of people would benefit from a website that lets you write documentation using a wysiwym editor that spits out docbook underneath. | 10:39 |
| godbyk | collaboratively, pseudo-wiki-like. | 10:39 |
| humphreybc | yeah, exactly | 10:39 |
| godbyk | openhatch.org I think. | 10:39 |
| humphreybc | hence why we're going to make one at some point | 10:39 |
| humphreybc | ah that's the one! | 10:39 |
| nisshh | humphreybc: hey dude! | 10:40 |
| humphreybc | hey nisshh | 10:41 |
| nisshh | rocking out at UDS? | 10:41 |
| humphreybc | yeah man! | 10:42 |
| nisshh | heard you have been running around trying to get some answers for some of the devs | 10:42 |
| humphreybc | hmm? | 10:42 |
| nisshh | about lp translations and such | 10:43 |
| humphreybc | godbyk, that session is on friday in snakewood: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-m/2010-05-14/ | 10:43 |
| humphreybc | although not linked to anything | 10:43 |
| nisshh | humphreybc: its been really quite in here with you off at UDS ;) | 10:44 |
| humphreybc | hahaha | 10:44 |
| humphreybc | you guys shouldn't need me to tell ya what to do | 10:44 |
| nisshh | no but its just so quite you can almost hear godbyk talking to himself! | 10:45 |
| godbyk | lol | 10:45 |
| humphreybc | hahaha | 10:45 |
| humphreybc | we're gonna have to start kicking some mega butt soon | 10:46 |
| nisshh | yea? | 10:46 |
| humphreybc | shitload of stuff to do | 10:46 |
| nisshh | meh | 10:47 |
| godbyk | we're gonna need some more developers, I think. | 10:48 |
| nisshh | web devs? | 10:49 |
| godbyk | yeah. | 10:49 |
| nisshh | well, since my chapter has sort of become obsolete for the maverick pdf then i could help out, what stuff would i need to know? | 10:50 |
| godbyk | nisshh: I'm not sure yet. We're still working on sorting out the tech we'll need to employ. | 10:51 |
| nisshh | right | 10:52 |
| Daker | godbyk, ping | 11:34 |
| godbyk | Daker: pong | 11:34 |
| Daker | https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website/+imports | 11:34 |
| Daker | test/po_templates/ubuntu-manual-website/eo.po in Ubuntu-manual-website trunk series | 11:34 |
| Daker | Needs Review | 11:34 |
| Daker | 11:34 | |
| Daker | Uploaded by Adnane Belmadiaf on 2010-05-11 20:10:33 WET | 11:34 |
| Daker | No import target selected yet. | 11:34 |
| Daker | i don't know what's happing | 11:35 |
| Daker | i cant improved them | 11:35 |
| Daker | approve* | 11:36 |
| Daker | the po files are downloaded from the ubuntu manual project | 11:36 |
| Daker | then imported there | 11:36 |
| godbyk | maybe it's because they came from another project? | 11:36 |
| godbyk | you might have to change some text in the .po files (like the project name or something) | 11:37 |
| godbyk | I can't remember: Have you emailed the list and invited the translators to translate the website via https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website? | 11:37 |
| Daker | yes | 11:38 |
| godbyk | Okay. | 11:38 |
| Daker | i have made some changes | 11:38 |
| godbyk | How about I email the list and suggest that the translators double-check the website translations? | 11:38 |
| godbyk | So they can make sure everything is still okay. | 11:38 |
| Daker | "Project-Id-Version: ubuntu-manual\n" to "Project-Id-Version: ubuntu-manual-website\n" | 11:38 |
| thorwil | godbyk: well, if we become serious about collaborative editing, we need a framework that supports Comet well. rules out PHP, for all i know. seaside (smalltalk) might be ok. some claim smalltalk does wonders for developer productivity and i think i love that language conceptually, but havn't used it yet. Lift (Scala) has some nice examples. a chat can be implemented with a few lines of code. same for Nitrogen (Erlang). Facebook chose E | 11:41 |
| thorwil | rlang to implement their chat | 11:41 |
| godbyk | I haven't used any of those languages. | 11:41 |
| IlyaHaykinson | i don't see a ton of need for us to get into realtime collaborative editing | 11:41 |
| godbyk | I think most of our plans will be okay without real-time collaboration. | 11:42 |
| godbyk | Daker: Did you import the .po files because the existing ubuntu-manual-website translations were out of date? (they were translating under ubuntu-manual and not ubuntu-manual-website?) | 11:44 |
| Daker | no | 11:44 |
| godbyk | Daker: Okay. What were you attempting to do? | 11:44 |
| Daker | because i don't want people to retranslate all the strings again | 11:45 |
| Daker | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/ubuntu-support-and-learning-center.html | 11:45 |
| godbyk | Is it showing the proper translations as suggestions? | 11:46 |
| Daker | yeah i know | 11:46 |
| godbyk | Basically, if this is a one-time change where we can have the translators go in and accept all the suggestions real quick, then that's fine. | 11:46 |
| Daker | importing the po files will be more quick that reselecting suggestions and submitting them | 11:47 |
| godbyk | Daker: I understand. Unfortunately, it's not working. I don't know why. | 11:49 |
| Daker | i should ask in #launchpad | 11:50 |
| godbyk | yeah, that's probably best. | 11:50 |
| humphreybc | So I announced the USLC on omg and my blog | 11:54 |
| humphreybc | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/ubuntu-support-and-learning-center.html | 11:54 |
| humphreybc | let the angry comments begin! | 11:54 |
| IlyaHaykinson | humphreybc: i think it's a bit premature, actually. | 11:54 |
| humphreybc | oh well | 11:54 |
| IlyaHaykinson | i would rather that we settle the plans on our side, before pushing this out to the community | 11:54 |
| godbyk | I think it would've been better to wait until we approached the docs team. | 11:55 |
| IlyaHaykinson | especially as we still need to find good ways to incorporate and invite others to the process | 11:55 |
| humphreybc | sure | 11:55 |
| Daker | IlyaHaykinson, +1 | 11:55 |
| IlyaHaykinson | plus, honestly, we still have a ton of lucid work | 11:55 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: also, verb tense! future tense for things that haven't been done yet. | 11:55 |
| godbyk | our manual isn't downloadable in different formats (only PDF). | 11:55 |
| humphreybc | I needed a third thing to make it flow well :P | 11:56 |
| godbyk | We don't make it available in multiple languages; we *are working* to make it available in multiple languages. :) | 11:56 |
| humphreybc | i'm off | 11:56 |
| humphreybc | chow! | 11:56 |
| godbyk | see ya | 11:56 |
| Daker | godbyk, Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 94371840 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 71 bytes) in /home/godbyk/bzr/ubuntu-manual-website/stats/stats.php on line 53 | 11:56 |
| Daker | http://stats.ubuntu-manual.org/downloads/?id=8 | 11:56 |
| godbyk | Daker: We probably need to make the SQL queries more efficient or something. | 11:57 |
| godbyk | Are you just pulling down the entire table and then doing the math and aggregation? | 11:57 |
| Daker | no i just pull down the records that much with the id | 11:58 |
| godbyk | Daker: okay, let me look at the code. | 11:58 |
| Daker | oki | 11:58 |
| godbyk | Daker: it's because you're looking through each individual hit. | 11:59 |
| godbyk | I'll see if I can make it more efficient. | 12:00 |
| godbyk | give me a few minutes. | 12:00 |
| Daker | the Fatal error is with the php or the mysql ? | 12:00 |
| IlyaHaykinson | gnite all | 12:01 |
| godbyk | Daker: well, it's because the php is trying to load a whole bunch of data from the mysql server at once. | 12:01 |
| Daker | good night IlyaHaykinson | 12:01 |
| godbyk | and the php process runs out of memory for it all. | 12:01 |
| Daker | ah oki | 12:02 |
| godbyk | right now the query is returning nearly 70,000 rows of data. | 12:02 |
| godbyk | Daker: it'll take me a bit to rewrite the stats site. | 12:06 |
| godbyk | I'll be back in just a bit. I need to find something to eat. | 12:06 |
| Daker | take your time | 12:06 |
| === godbyk_ is now known as godbyk | ||
| Daker | godbyk, see that http://www.jtalkplugin.com/ | 14:01 |
| Daker | http://weston.ruter.net/projects/html5-audio-read-along/ | 14:04 |
| godbyk | cool | 14:05 |
| Daker | the last one is very good | 14:05 |
| === daker_ is now known as daker | ||
| c7p | hello | 19:13 |
| godbyk | Hey, c7p. | 19:14 |
| godbyk | c7p: Can you check the latest PDF I've uploaded to make sure that \ie and \eg are properly translated, please? | 19:14 |
| c7p | sure :) | 19:15 |
| godbyk | (The \chaplink and other cross-references aren't resolved right now because xindy hates me. :-() | 19:15 |
| c7p | yeah the \ie and \eg work | 19:17 |
| godbyk | cool. | 19:17 |
| godbyk | Also, I think I'm going to use the same font for the heads and marginal material as I'm using for the body text: http://kevin.godby.org/private/ubuntu-manual/greek-serif-only.pdf | 19:18 |
| godbyk | I need to do something because the current headings font doesn't have bold Greek letters. | 19:18 |
| c7p | yes something should be done | 19:19 |
| c7p | I have talked with topo and he suggested me the greek font that he uses | 19:19 |
| godbyk | Which font does he use? | 19:19 |
| daker | godbyk, we got the translations imported to the website project | 19:20 |
| godbyk | It needs to look good for both large test (the headings) and small text (the captions and margin notes). | 19:20 |
| c7p | http://iris.math.aegean.gr/kerkis/ | 19:20 |
| godbyk | daker: cool. | 19:20 |
| c7p | can you tell me how can i compile some pdfs with different fonts on the heading and tell you which is the most preferable ? | 19:21 |
| c7p | if it isn't too much advanced of course | 19:22 |
| godbyk | It's a little advanced, but not too bad. | 19:22 |
| godbyk | If you edit the um-greek.clo file, you can set the fonts there. | 19:22 |
| c7p | so for the heading which lines should be altered ? | 19:25 |
| godbyk | Let me upload my modified copy of the file and you can see. | 19:25 |
| godbyk | I've just pushed the modified file. | 19:27 |
| godbyk | You'll want to modify lines 14 and 16. | 19:27 |
| godbyk | Er. 14 and 15. | 19:27 |
| c7p | ty i think the modified will help definitely | 19:29 |
| godbyk | Well, I can't let it remain as is, when the headings half bold and half normal weight. That's for sure! :) | 19:30 |
| c7p | I'm happy for that | 19:30 |
| godbyk | Did the greek-serif-only.pdf file look okay? | 19:34 |
| c7p | yes it was pretty good | 19:34 |
| godbyk | Okay, good. | 19:37 |
| godbyk | Next, I need to figure out how to appease xindy to the compilation doesn't fail. | 19:37 |
| c7p | i suggest using serif-only , it looks great! | 19:39 |
| c7p | hope you will overcome the problem | 19:39 |
| c7p | godbyk: is this happening only with the greek language ? If it happens so, I can seek for help from the greek community. | 19:41 |
| godbyk | I think it's happening with other translations, too. | 19:42 |
| godbyk | I'm still looking into it. | 19:42 |
| ubuntujenkins | hello all 0/ | 21:33 |
| c7p | hey ubuntujenkins | 21:38 |
| ubuntujenkins | are c7p I will do your stuff now. I have had a busy few days | 21:39 |
| ubuntujenkins | *r not are | 21:39 |
| ubuntujenkins | c7p: el right? | 21:39 |
| c7p | ubuntujenkins: np :) | 21:39 |
| c7p | yes | 21:39 |
| ubuntujenkins | language | 21:39 |
| ubuntujenkins | cool | 21:40 |
| ubuntujenkins | c7p: I have made i so you can redo that screenshot when you like | 21:47 |
| c7p | ubuntujenkins: cool thx, the latest uploaded screenshots are the good ones | 21:50 |
| ubuntujenkins | sure I will approve then asap lots of stuff to do at the moment :/ | 21:50 |
| c7p | ubuntujenkins: there is no reason to be panic :), approve them when you find time. This job isn't of very high priority now | 21:59 |
| c7p | night all | 22:44 |
| daker | good night c7p | 22:44 |
| ubuntujenkins | night all o/ | 23:37 |
| dpic | hey, i wrote that Lucid Post-Install guide (TheSilentNumber) | 23:46 |
| dpic | someone names benjamin told me i should stop by | 23:46 |
| dpic | named* | 23:50 |
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