[00:21] <xuacu> hi!
[00:21] <daker> hi xuacu
[00:25] <xuacu> daker: have you already fixed Ubuntu-manual -website translations in Launchpad?
[00:26] <daker> not yet, iam working on
[00:26] <daker> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website/trunk/+imports
[00:26] <daker> the po files want be imported
[00:27] <xuacu> if you can skip ast, it would be great
[00:27] <xuacu> I did it myself
[00:27] <daker> i know :)
[00:27] <xuacu> ok, thx :)
[09:10] <IlyaHaykinson> godbyk: did you manage to listen in on the UDS sessions?
[09:11] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: Yeah.
[09:11] <godbyk> I'm listening to one on Nautilus right now -- or trying to. They need to speak up.
[09:11] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: Which session(s) were you interested in?
[09:11] <IlyaHaykinson> the appstore one
[09:12] <IlyaHaykinson> How to deliver new, fun, and interesting applications to the current release
[09:12] <IlyaHaykinson> it's at noon their local time
[09:12] <IlyaHaykinson> i.e. in two hours, i guess
[09:12] <IlyaHaykinson> just used icecast.ubuntu.com?
[09:12] <IlyaHaykinson> or was there an irc channel too?
[09:12] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: I'm recording the sessions I'm interested in from icecast and also monitoring the irc channels.
[09:13] <IlyaHaykinson> what are the channels?
[09:13] <godbyk> I'll record that session for ya.
[09:13] <godbyk> streams: http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/
[09:13] <godbyk> channels: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-M/RemoteParticipation
[09:13] <IlyaHaykinson> ooh thanks
[09:15] <IlyaHaykinson> now to decide whether i can afford to stay up till 4am my time... *sigh*
[09:16] <godbyk> heh
[09:17] <godbyk> I'm jobless (at least until the end of the week), so I'm just getting up at 1 a.m. and attending remotely.
[09:17] <godbyk> It's really strange fixing lunch at 6 a.m., though.
[09:17] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: also, keep refreshing the schedule because they like to rearrange sessions at the last moment.
[09:17] <IlyaHaykinson> heh. thanks.
[09:18] <thorwil> hi vish! how's uds going for you, so far?
[09:19] <vish> thorwil: in nautilus session..
[09:19] <vish> :)
[09:20] <godbyk> vish: transcribe it for us!
[09:20] <godbyk> or tell them to speak up (talk into the microphones)
[09:20] <godbyk> we can't hear much of anything.
[09:20] <thorwil> vish: of course. anyone proposed to start from scratch, yet? ;)
[09:21] <vish> thorwil: ha not yet ;p
[10:30] <humphreybc> hello hello
[10:30] <godbyk> Morning, humphreybc
[10:30] <humphreybc> morning :)
[10:31] <godbyk> How're you enjoying UDS so far?
[10:31] <humphreybc> it's good, although I slept in this morning - didn't hit the hay till 2:30 last night
[10:31] <humphreybc> was drinking with some OEM guys
[10:32] <humphreybc> went out for dinner with Vishnoo and Kyle and a heap of others
[10:32] <godbyk> cool
[10:32] <godbyk> how was your convo with kyle?
[10:33] <humphreybc> good good, he toasted the ubuntu manual project :)
[10:33] <humphreybc> loves what we've got planned
[10:33] <godbyk> cool
[10:33] <humphreybc> yeah
[10:34] <humphreybc> i'm not sure what's happening with some of my sessions
[10:34] <godbyk> everything keeps getting shuffled about.
[10:34] <godbyk> do you know if they scheduled the ui data collection one?  or is that completely off the table for uds?
[10:34] <humphreybc> not sure, I talked to Charline and Ivanka about it and I think they're meant to be doing it asap
[10:35] <godbyk> (if it's off the table, that's fine, I can write a better essay about it and post it to ayatana, etc.)
[10:35] <humphreybc> I'll pester them again
[10:35] <godbyk> lemme know if/when it gets scheduled.
[10:35] <humphreybc> okay
[10:35] <humphreybc> are there any sessions you think we need?
[10:36] <godbyk> I'm not sure yet. I've only looked at morning sessions so far.
[10:36] <godbyk> I'll plan my afternoon sessions as soon as the current session is over.
[10:36] <humphreybc> kk
[10:36] <humphreybc> what are you in now?
[10:37] <godbyk> I'm listening to a session on docs for packing.
[10:37] <godbyk> docs for packaging, rather.
[10:37] <humphreybc> oh yes?
[10:38] <godbyk> yeah, I've only been half-listening, though. talking to people online.
[10:38] <humphreybc> okay
[10:39] <humphreybc> what was the name of that site we found, similar to ohloh that connects people to projects/
[10:39] <godbyk> it sounds like a lot of people would benefit from a website that lets you write documentation using a wysiwym editor that spits out docbook underneath.
[10:39] <godbyk> collaboratively, pseudo-wiki-like.
[10:39] <humphreybc> yeah, exactly
[10:39] <godbyk> openhatch.org I think.
[10:39] <humphreybc> hence why we're going to make one at some point
[10:39] <humphreybc> ah that's the one!
[10:40] <nisshh> humphreybc: hey dude!
[10:41] <humphreybc> hey nisshh
[10:41] <nisshh> rocking out at UDS?
[10:42] <humphreybc> yeah man!
[10:42] <nisshh> heard you have been running around trying to get some answers for some of the devs
[10:42] <humphreybc> hmm?
[10:43] <nisshh> about lp translations and such
[10:43] <humphreybc> godbyk, that session is on friday in snakewood: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-m/2010-05-14/
[10:43] <humphreybc> although not linked to anything
[10:44] <nisshh> humphreybc: its been really quite in here with you off at UDS ;)
[10:44] <humphreybc> hahaha
[10:44] <humphreybc> you guys shouldn't need me to tell ya what to do
[10:45] <nisshh> no but its just so quite you can almost hear godbyk talking to himself!
[10:45] <godbyk> lol
[10:45] <humphreybc> hahaha
[10:46] <humphreybc> we're gonna have to start kicking some mega butt soon
[10:46] <nisshh> yea?
[10:46] <humphreybc> shitload of stuff to do
[10:47] <nisshh> meh
[10:48] <godbyk> we're gonna need some more developers, I think.
[10:49] <nisshh> web devs?
[10:49] <godbyk> yeah.
[10:50] <nisshh> well, since my chapter has sort of become obsolete for the maverick pdf then i could help out, what stuff would i need to know?
[10:51] <godbyk> nisshh: I'm not sure yet. We're still working on sorting out the tech we'll need to employ.
[10:52] <nisshh> right
[11:34] <Daker> godbyk, ping
[11:34] <godbyk> Daker: pong
[11:34] <Daker> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website/+imports
[11:34] <Daker>   	 test/po_templates/ubuntu-manual-website/eo.po in Ubuntu-manual-website trunk series   	
[11:34] <Daker> Needs Review
[11:34] <Daker> 	
[11:34] <Daker> Uploaded by Adnane Belmadiaf on 2010-05-11 20:10:33 WET
[11:34] <Daker> No import target selected yet.
[11:35] <Daker> i don't know what's happing
[11:35] <Daker> i cant improved them
[11:36] <Daker> approve*
[11:36] <Daker> the po files are downloaded from the ubuntu manual project
[11:36] <Daker> then imported there
[11:36] <godbyk> maybe it's because they came from another project?
[11:37] <godbyk> you might have to change some text in the .po files (like the project name or something)
[11:37] <godbyk> I can't remember: Have you emailed the list and invited the translators to translate the website via https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website?
[11:38] <Daker> yes
[11:38] <godbyk> Okay.
[11:38] <Daker> i have made some changes
[11:38] <godbyk> How about I email the list and suggest that the translators double-check the website translations?
[11:38] <godbyk> So they can make sure everything is still okay.
[11:38] <Daker> "Project-Id-Version: ubuntu-manual\n" to "Project-Id-Version: ubuntu-manual-website\n"
[11:41] <thorwil> godbyk: well, if we become serious about collaborative editing, we need a framework that supports Comet well. rules out PHP, for all i know. seaside (smalltalk) might be ok. some claim smalltalk does wonders for developer productivity and i think i love that language conceptually, but havn't used it yet. Lift (Scala) has some nice examples. a chat can be implemented with a few lines of code. same for Nitrogen (Erlang). Facebook chose E
[11:41] <thorwil> rlang to implement their chat
[11:41] <godbyk> I haven't used any of those languages.
[11:41] <IlyaHaykinson> i don't see a ton of need for us to get into realtime collaborative editing
[11:42] <godbyk> I think most of our plans will be okay without real-time collaboration.
[11:44] <godbyk> Daker: Did you import the .po files because the existing ubuntu-manual-website translations were out of date?  (they were translating under ubuntu-manual and not ubuntu-manual-website?)
[11:44] <Daker> no
[11:44] <godbyk> Daker: Okay. What were you attempting to do?
[11:45] <Daker> because i don't want people to retranslate all the strings again
[11:45] <Daker> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/ubuntu-support-and-learning-center.html
[11:46] <godbyk> Is it showing the proper translations as suggestions?
[11:46] <Daker> yeah i know
[11:46] <godbyk> Basically, if this is a one-time change where we can have the translators go in and accept all the suggestions real quick, then that's fine.
[11:47] <Daker> importing the po files will be more quick that reselecting suggestions and submitting them
[11:49] <godbyk> Daker: I understand.  Unfortunately, it's not working.  I don't know why.
[11:50] <Daker> i should ask in #launchpad
[11:50] <godbyk> yeah, that's probably best.
[11:54] <humphreybc> So I announced the USLC on omg and my blog
[11:54] <humphreybc> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/ubuntu-support-and-learning-center.html
[11:54] <humphreybc> let the angry comments begin!
[11:54] <IlyaHaykinson> humphreybc: i think it's a bit premature, actually.
[11:54] <humphreybc> oh well
[11:54] <IlyaHaykinson> i would rather that we settle the plans on our side, before pushing this out to the community
[11:55] <godbyk> I think it would've been better to wait until we approached the docs team.
[11:55] <IlyaHaykinson> especially as we still need to find good ways to incorporate and invite others to the process
[11:55] <humphreybc> sure
[11:55] <Daker> IlyaHaykinson, +1
[11:55] <IlyaHaykinson> plus, honestly, we still have a ton of lucid work
[11:55] <godbyk> humphreybc: also, verb tense!  future tense for things that haven't been done yet.
[11:55] <godbyk> our manual isn't downloadable in different formats (only PDF).
[11:56] <humphreybc> I needed a third thing to make it flow well :P
[11:56] <godbyk> We don't make it available in multiple languages; we *are working* to make it available in multiple languages. :)
[11:56] <humphreybc> i'm off
[11:56] <humphreybc> chow!
[11:56] <godbyk> see ya
[11:56] <Daker> godbyk, Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 94371840 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 71 bytes) in /home/godbyk/bzr/ubuntu-manual-website/stats/stats.php on line 53
[11:56] <Daker> http://stats.ubuntu-manual.org/downloads/?id=8
[11:57] <godbyk> Daker: We probably need to make the SQL queries more efficient or something.
[11:57] <godbyk> Are you just pulling down the entire table and then doing the math and aggregation?
[11:58] <Daker> no i just pull down the records that much with the id
[11:58] <godbyk> Daker: okay, let me look at the code.
[11:58] <Daker> oki
[11:59] <godbyk> Daker: it's because you're looking through each individual hit.
[12:00] <godbyk> I'll see if I can make it more efficient.
[12:00] <godbyk> give me a few minutes.
[12:00] <Daker> the Fatal error is with the php or the mysql ?
[12:01] <IlyaHaykinson> gnite all
[12:01] <godbyk> Daker: well, it's because the php is trying to load a whole bunch of data from the mysql server at once.
[12:01] <Daker> good night IlyaHaykinson
[12:01] <godbyk> and the php process runs out of memory for it all.
[12:02] <Daker> ah oki
[12:02] <godbyk> right now the query is returning nearly 70,000 rows of data.
[12:06] <godbyk> Daker: it'll take me a bit to rewrite the stats site.
[12:06] <godbyk> I'll be back in just a bit. I need to find something to eat.
[12:06] <Daker> take your time
[14:01] <Daker> godbyk, see that http://www.jtalkplugin.com/
[14:04] <Daker> http://weston.ruter.net/projects/html5-audio-read-along/
[14:05] <godbyk> cool
[14:05] <Daker> the last one is very good
[19:13] <c7p> hello
[19:14] <godbyk> Hey, c7p.
[19:14] <godbyk> c7p: Can you check the latest PDF I've uploaded to make sure that \ie and \eg are properly translated, please?
[19:15] <c7p> sure :)
[19:15] <godbyk> (The \chaplink and other cross-references aren't resolved right now because xindy hates me. :-()
[19:17] <c7p> yeah the \ie and \eg work
[19:17] <godbyk> cool.
[19:18] <godbyk> Also, I think I'm going to use the same font for the heads and marginal material as I'm using for the body text: http://kevin.godby.org/private/ubuntu-manual/greek-serif-only.pdf
[19:18] <godbyk> I need to do something because the current headings font doesn't have bold Greek letters.
[19:19] <c7p> yes something should be done
[19:19] <c7p> I have talked with topo and he suggested me the greek font that he uses
[19:19] <godbyk> Which font does he use?
[19:20] <daker> godbyk, we got the translations imported to the website project
[19:20] <godbyk> It needs to look good for both large test (the headings) and small text (the captions and margin notes).
[19:20] <c7p> http://iris.math.aegean.gr/kerkis/
[19:20] <godbyk> daker: cool.
[19:21] <c7p> can you tell me how can i compile some pdfs with different fonts on the heading and tell you which is the most preferable ?
[19:22] <c7p> if it isn't too much advanced of course
[19:22] <godbyk> It's a little advanced, but not too bad.
[19:22] <godbyk> If you edit the um-greek.clo file, you can set the fonts there.
[19:25] <c7p> so for the heading which lines should be altered ?
[19:25] <godbyk> Let me upload my modified copy of the file and you can see.
[19:27] <godbyk> I've just pushed the modified file.
[19:27] <godbyk> You'll want to modify lines 14 and 16.
[19:27] <godbyk> Er. 14 and 15.
[19:29] <c7p> ty i think the modified will help definitely
[19:30] <godbyk> Well, I can't let it remain as is, when the headings half bold and half normal weight. That's for sure! :)
[19:30] <c7p> I'm happy for that
[19:34] <godbyk> Did the greek-serif-only.pdf file look okay?
[19:34] <c7p> yes it was pretty good
[19:37] <godbyk> Okay, good.
[19:37] <godbyk> Next, I need to figure out how to appease xindy to the compilation doesn't fail.
[19:39] <c7p> i suggest using serif-only , it looks great!
[19:39] <c7p> hope you will overcome the problem
[19:41] <c7p> godbyk: is this happening only with the greek language ? If it happens so, I can seek for help from the greek community.
[19:42] <godbyk> I think it's happening with other translations, too.
[19:42] <godbyk> I'm still looking into it.
[21:33] <ubuntujenkins> hello all 0/
[21:38] <c7p> hey ubuntujenkins
[21:39] <ubuntujenkins> are c7p I will do your stuff now. I have had a busy few days
[21:39] <ubuntujenkins> *r not are
[21:39] <ubuntujenkins> c7p: el right?
[21:39] <c7p> ubuntujenkins: np :)
[21:39] <c7p> yes
[21:39] <ubuntujenkins> language
[21:40] <ubuntujenkins> cool
[21:47] <ubuntujenkins> c7p: I have made i so you can redo that screenshot when you like
[21:50] <c7p> ubuntujenkins: cool thx, the latest uploaded screenshots are the good ones
[21:50] <ubuntujenkins> sure I will approve then asap lots of stuff to do at the moment :/
[21:59] <c7p> ubuntujenkins: there is no reason to be panic :), approve them when you find time. This job isn't of very high priority now
[22:44] <c7p> night all
[22:44] <daker> good night c7p
[23:37] <ubuntujenkins> night all o/
[23:46] <dpic> hey, i wrote that Lucid Post-Install guide (TheSilentNumber)
[23:46] <dpic> someone names benjamin told me i should stop by
[23:50] <dpic> named*