[00:21] hi! [00:21] hi xuacu [00:25] daker: have you already fixed Ubuntu-manual -website translations in Launchpad? [00:26] not yet, iam working on [00:26] https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website/trunk/+imports [00:26] the po files want be imported [00:27] if you can skip ast, it would be great [00:27] I did it myself [00:27] i know :) [00:27] ok, thx :) [09:10] godbyk: did you manage to listen in on the UDS sessions? [09:11] IlyaHaykinson: Yeah. [09:11] I'm listening to one on Nautilus right now -- or trying to. They need to speak up. [09:11] IlyaHaykinson: Which session(s) were you interested in? [09:11] the appstore one [09:12] How to deliver new, fun, and interesting applications to the current release [09:12] it's at noon their local time [09:12] i.e. in two hours, i guess [09:12] just used icecast.ubuntu.com? [09:12] or was there an irc channel too? [09:12] IlyaHaykinson: I'm recording the sessions I'm interested in from icecast and also monitoring the irc channels. [09:13] what are the channels? [09:13] I'll record that session for ya. [09:13] streams: http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/ [09:13] channels: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-M/RemoteParticipation [09:13] ooh thanks [09:15] now to decide whether i can afford to stay up till 4am my time... *sigh* [09:16] heh [09:17] I'm jobless (at least until the end of the week), so I'm just getting up at 1 a.m. and attending remotely. [09:17] It's really strange fixing lunch at 6 a.m., though. [09:17] IlyaHaykinson: also, keep refreshing the schedule because they like to rearrange sessions at the last moment. [09:17] heh. thanks. [09:18] hi vish! how's uds going for you, so far? [09:19] thorwil: in nautilus session.. [09:19] :) [09:20] vish: transcribe it for us! [09:20] or tell them to speak up (talk into the microphones) [09:20] we can't hear much of anything. [09:20] vish: of course. anyone proposed to start from scratch, yet? ;) [09:21] thorwil: ha not yet ;p [10:30] hello hello [10:30] Morning, humphreybc [10:30] morning :) [10:31] How're you enjoying UDS so far? [10:31] it's good, although I slept in this morning - didn't hit the hay till 2:30 last night [10:31] was drinking with some OEM guys [10:32] went out for dinner with Vishnoo and Kyle and a heap of others [10:32] cool [10:32] how was your convo with kyle? [10:33] good good, he toasted the ubuntu manual project :) [10:33] loves what we've got planned [10:33] cool [10:33] yeah [10:34] i'm not sure what's happening with some of my sessions [10:34] everything keeps getting shuffled about. [10:34] do you know if they scheduled the ui data collection one? or is that completely off the table for uds? [10:34] not sure, I talked to Charline and Ivanka about it and I think they're meant to be doing it asap [10:35] (if it's off the table, that's fine, I can write a better essay about it and post it to ayatana, etc.) [10:35] I'll pester them again [10:35] lemme know if/when it gets scheduled. [10:35] okay [10:35] are there any sessions you think we need? [10:36] I'm not sure yet. I've only looked at morning sessions so far. [10:36] I'll plan my afternoon sessions as soon as the current session is over. [10:36] kk [10:36] what are you in now? [10:37] I'm listening to a session on docs for packing. [10:37] docs for packaging, rather. [10:37] oh yes? [10:38] yeah, I've only been half-listening, though. talking to people online. [10:38] okay [10:39] what was the name of that site we found, similar to ohloh that connects people to projects/ [10:39] it sounds like a lot of people would benefit from a website that lets you write documentation using a wysiwym editor that spits out docbook underneath. [10:39] collaboratively, pseudo-wiki-like. [10:39] yeah, exactly [10:39] openhatch.org I think. [10:39] hence why we're going to make one at some point [10:39] ah that's the one! [10:40] humphreybc: hey dude! [10:41] hey nisshh [10:41] rocking out at UDS? [10:42] yeah man! [10:42] heard you have been running around trying to get some answers for some of the devs [10:42] hmm? [10:43] about lp translations and such [10:43] godbyk, that session is on friday in snakewood: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-m/2010-05-14/ [10:43] although not linked to anything [10:44] humphreybc: its been really quite in here with you off at UDS ;) [10:44] hahaha [10:44] you guys shouldn't need me to tell ya what to do [10:45] no but its just so quite you can almost hear godbyk talking to himself! [10:45] lol [10:45] hahaha [10:46] we're gonna have to start kicking some mega butt soon [10:46] yea? [10:46] shitload of stuff to do [10:47] meh [10:48] we're gonna need some more developers, I think. [10:49] web devs? [10:49] yeah. [10:50] well, since my chapter has sort of become obsolete for the maverick pdf then i could help out, what stuff would i need to know? [10:51] nisshh: I'm not sure yet. We're still working on sorting out the tech we'll need to employ. [10:52] right [11:34] godbyk, ping [11:34] Daker: pong [11:34] https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website/+imports [11:34] test/po_templates/ubuntu-manual-website/eo.po in Ubuntu-manual-website trunk series [11:34] Needs Review [11:34] [11:34] Uploaded by Adnane Belmadiaf on 2010-05-11 20:10:33 WET [11:34] No import target selected yet. [11:35] i don't know what's happing [11:35] i cant improved them [11:36] approve* [11:36] the po files are downloaded from the ubuntu manual project [11:36] then imported there [11:36] maybe it's because they came from another project? [11:37] you might have to change some text in the .po files (like the project name or something) [11:37] I can't remember: Have you emailed the list and invited the translators to translate the website via https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website? [11:38] yes [11:38] Okay. [11:38] i have made some changes [11:38] How about I email the list and suggest that the translators double-check the website translations? [11:38] So they can make sure everything is still okay. [11:38] "Project-Id-Version: ubuntu-manual\n" to "Project-Id-Version: ubuntu-manual-website\n" [11:41] godbyk: well, if we become serious about collaborative editing, we need a framework that supports Comet well. rules out PHP, for all i know. seaside (smalltalk) might be ok. some claim smalltalk does wonders for developer productivity and i think i love that language conceptually, but havn't used it yet. Lift (Scala) has some nice examples. a chat can be implemented with a few lines of code. same for Nitrogen (Erlang). Facebook chose E [11:41] rlang to implement their chat [11:41] I haven't used any of those languages. [11:41] i don't see a ton of need for us to get into realtime collaborative editing [11:42] I think most of our plans will be okay without real-time collaboration. [11:44] Daker: Did you import the .po files because the existing ubuntu-manual-website translations were out of date? (they were translating under ubuntu-manual and not ubuntu-manual-website?) [11:44] no [11:44] Daker: Okay. What were you attempting to do? [11:45] because i don't want people to retranslate all the strings again [11:45] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/ubuntu-support-and-learning-center.html [11:46] Is it showing the proper translations as suggestions? [11:46] yeah i know [11:46] Basically, if this is a one-time change where we can have the translators go in and accept all the suggestions real quick, then that's fine. [11:47] importing the po files will be more quick that reselecting suggestions and submitting them [11:49] Daker: I understand. Unfortunately, it's not working. I don't know why. [11:50] i should ask in #launchpad [11:50] yeah, that's probably best. [11:54] So I announced the USLC on omg and my blog [11:54] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/ubuntu-support-and-learning-center.html [11:54] let the angry comments begin! [11:54] humphreybc: i think it's a bit premature, actually. [11:54] oh well [11:54] i would rather that we settle the plans on our side, before pushing this out to the community [11:55] I think it would've been better to wait until we approached the docs team. [11:55] especially as we still need to find good ways to incorporate and invite others to the process [11:55] sure [11:55] IlyaHaykinson, +1 [11:55] plus, honestly, we still have a ton of lucid work [11:55] humphreybc: also, verb tense! future tense for things that haven't been done yet. [11:55] our manual isn't downloadable in different formats (only PDF). [11:56] I needed a third thing to make it flow well :P [11:56] We don't make it available in multiple languages; we *are working* to make it available in multiple languages. :) [11:56] i'm off [11:56] chow! [11:56] see ya [11:56] godbyk, Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 94371840 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 71 bytes) in /home/godbyk/bzr/ubuntu-manual-website/stats/stats.php on line 53 [11:56] http://stats.ubuntu-manual.org/downloads/?id=8 [11:57] Daker: We probably need to make the SQL queries more efficient or something. [11:57] Are you just pulling down the entire table and then doing the math and aggregation? [11:58] no i just pull down the records that much with the id [11:58] Daker: okay, let me look at the code. [11:58] oki [11:59] Daker: it's because you're looking through each individual hit. [12:00] I'll see if I can make it more efficient. [12:00] give me a few minutes. [12:00] the Fatal error is with the php or the mysql ? [12:01] gnite all [12:01] Daker: well, it's because the php is trying to load a whole bunch of data from the mysql server at once. [12:01] good night IlyaHaykinson [12:01] and the php process runs out of memory for it all. [12:02] ah oki [12:02] right now the query is returning nearly 70,000 rows of data. [12:06] Daker: it'll take me a bit to rewrite the stats site. [12:06] I'll be back in just a bit. I need to find something to eat. [12:06] take your time === godbyk_ is now known as godbyk [14:01] godbyk, see that http://www.jtalkplugin.com/ [14:04] http://weston.ruter.net/projects/html5-audio-read-along/ [14:05] cool [14:05] the last one is very good === daker_ is now known as daker [19:13] hello [19:14] Hey, c7p. [19:14] c7p: Can you check the latest PDF I've uploaded to make sure that \ie and \eg are properly translated, please? [19:15] sure :) [19:15] (The \chaplink and other cross-references aren't resolved right now because xindy hates me. :-() [19:17] yeah the \ie and \eg work [19:17] cool. [19:18] Also, I think I'm going to use the same font for the heads and marginal material as I'm using for the body text: http://kevin.godby.org/private/ubuntu-manual/greek-serif-only.pdf [19:18] I need to do something because the current headings font doesn't have bold Greek letters. [19:19] yes something should be done [19:19] I have talked with topo and he suggested me the greek font that he uses [19:19] Which font does he use? [19:20] godbyk, we got the translations imported to the website project [19:20] It needs to look good for both large test (the headings) and small text (the captions and margin notes). [19:20] http://iris.math.aegean.gr/kerkis/ [19:20] daker: cool. [19:21] can you tell me how can i compile some pdfs with different fonts on the heading and tell you which is the most preferable ? [19:22] if it isn't too much advanced of course [19:22] It's a little advanced, but not too bad. [19:22] If you edit the um-greek.clo file, you can set the fonts there. [19:25] so for the heading which lines should be altered ? [19:25] Let me upload my modified copy of the file and you can see. [19:27] I've just pushed the modified file. [19:27] You'll want to modify lines 14 and 16. [19:27] Er. 14 and 15. [19:29] ty i think the modified will help definitely [19:30] Well, I can't let it remain as is, when the headings half bold and half normal weight. That's for sure! :) [19:30] I'm happy for that [19:34] Did the greek-serif-only.pdf file look okay? [19:34] yes it was pretty good [19:37] Okay, good. [19:37] Next, I need to figure out how to appease xindy to the compilation doesn't fail. [19:39] i suggest using serif-only , it looks great! [19:39] hope you will overcome the problem [19:41] godbyk: is this happening only with the greek language ? If it happens so, I can seek for help from the greek community. [19:42] I think it's happening with other translations, too. [19:42] I'm still looking into it. [21:33] hello all 0/ [21:38] hey ubuntujenkins [21:39] are c7p I will do your stuff now. I have had a busy few days [21:39] *r not are [21:39] c7p: el right? [21:39] ubuntujenkins: np :) [21:39] yes [21:39] language [21:40] cool [21:47] c7p: I have made i so you can redo that screenshot when you like [21:50] ubuntujenkins: cool thx, the latest uploaded screenshots are the good ones [21:50] sure I will approve then asap lots of stuff to do at the moment :/ [21:59] ubuntujenkins: there is no reason to be panic :), approve them when you find time. This job isn't of very high priority now [22:44] night all [22:44] good night c7p [23:37] night all o/ [23:46] hey, i wrote that Lucid Post-Install guide (TheSilentNumber) [23:46] someone names benjamin told me i should stop by [23:50] named*