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Jordan_Umokabojoe in #ubuntu has a cat on his keyboard :)01:24
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myrlquick question-how do you become a moderator in irc channels of ubuntu?02:36
myrli guess that means "i cant tell you"02:38
myrlbye02:38
elky...02:40
elkyIf you haven't the patience to wait more than 2 minutes, then no, I really don't want to tell you.02:41
ubottuFloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)03:31
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h00kWhat happens when the flotbots call ops for an exploit?04:02
IdleOneusualy freenode kicks in and klines04:05
IdleOnebut the recent dcc spamers seem to have found a way to avoid it04:05
h00kand by flotbots I meant floodbots04:06
h00kubottu is died.04:32
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (banlist full)04:38
tsimpson+e list again05:01
h00kyeah, I need to check my bans.05:35
bazhangits the exemption list that's the issue05:36
h00koh, okay05:37
h00kmakes sense.05:52
h00kaaaaaaaand I'm out for the eve. Peace, all.05:53
nocturnuswhy am i getting redirected here?06:16
bazhangnocturnus, you have been ban forwarded here to discuss your behaviour in #ubuntu06:45
nocturnusi don't remember anything, please discuss for me06:46
bazhang#ubuntu: 2010-05-10T05:56:22 <nocturnus> oxyrosis: are you five years old?06:47
bazhang#ubuntu: 2010-05-10T05:56:46 <nocturnus> oxyrosis: then stop asking like a five year old, and go change your pampers06:47
nocturnuslol that's hilarious06:47
bazhangthat is not acceptable behaviour in #ubuntu06:47
nocturnusoh ok06:47
nocturnusi actually got banned way after that06:47
nocturnusso i thought it was acceptable06:47
nocturnusalso please note the 5000 times i told him to use gdb06:48
bazhangthat was but a sample of such ; there is more directed towards others as well06:48
nocturnusit wasn't a 'trolling' given the context of the situation06:48
bazhangit's not helpful, and such hostility is not acceptable in any Ubuntu channel06:49
nocturnusokay06:49
bazhangthere is no 'context' where that would be OK.06:49
nocturnuscan i go back now?06:50
bazhang!guidelines | nocturnus read these please06:52
ubottunocturnus read these please: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines06:52
bazhang!coc | nocturnus and these also06:52
ubottunocturnus and these also: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct is a community etiquette document to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere, and can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ .  For information on how to electronically sign the CoC, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigningCodeofConduct .06:52
nocturnusi've read those before, do i have to memorize them?06:53
tsimpsonif you'd read those, you'd know that behaviour is not acceptable06:59
tsimpsonso why did you choose to do something you know was not accepted?06:59
nocturnusyes, and if you read what i just wrote, you'd probably get the impression that i forgot06:59
tsimpsonthen you should refresh your memory of those pages06:59
nocturnusi don't know exactly why i did it06:59
nocturnusit was a "feel like it" moment probably07:00
nocturnuscan i go now?07:05
bazhanga feel like it moment?07:09
nocturnusyes07:10
bazhangI don't feel confident you have taken the guidelines or the code of conduct very seriously, to be honest.07:11
nocturnusokay, what do i do now?07:11
bazhangabout what?07:12
nocturnusabout the future regarding this situation07:12
bazhangperhaps you should have a re-read of them and think about what they mean, particularly as you think 'having a moment' as such in a support channel is OK.07:13
nocturnusi don't think its ok, that's your decision07:13
bazhang'lol that's hilarious' regarding the above attitude to a new user07:13
nocturnusi guess honesty is not appreciated07:14
nocturnusyou decide if its acceptable or not, but i thought it was hilarious07:14
bazhangnot really. the channel policies have been around far longer than almost all of us.07:15
nocturnusnot really what?07:15
bazhangif you think treating others like that is hilarious, then perhaps not the channel you should be in07:15
nocturnusi'm allowed to think what i want07:16
nocturnusadditionally i intend to behave within the constraints of your establishment07:16
bazhangno question of that. but in a support channel that is not acceptable behaviour towards others07:17
nocturnusfine07:17
nocturnuscan i go now?07:17
bazhangcertainly07:17
nocturnusnope, it doesn't work07:17
bazhangwhat doesn't07:17
nocturnusjoining #ubuntu07:17
bazhangyou're still banned there.07:18
nocturnuswell no kidding07:18
nocturnuscan i go >in< >07:18
bazhangI suggested you re-read the documents the bot linked to you.07:18
nocturnusi've read them07:19
bazhangand have a re-think about that in light of your comments the other day.07:19
nocturnusi don't see a clause that says that says comming to ubuntu-ops is futile07:19
bazhangwell I don't think removing the ban would be appropriate at this point; you may certainly discuss with the operator who banned you.07:20
nocturnusjust forward them a copy of this conversation07:21
bazhanghe is currently logged in to the channel, but does not seem to be active at this point in time.07:22
nocturnusyes ..........07:22
bazhangso I would suggest you rejoin at a later time, then discuss with him.07:22
nocturnuswhy would i do that? its all been said here07:23
bazhangyes, and I don't think removing your ban is warranted at this point in time.07:23
nocturnusyou already said that07:23
bazhangright, so you should discuss with him.07:25
nocturnusjust fwd it to him07:25
bazhangthat's not how it works.07:25
nocturnuswhy not? you are not friends with him?07:26
nocturnusi don't know the schedule of these people07:26
bazhangnor do I.07:26
nocturnusbetter than i07:26
bazhangtry in 6-8 hours from now, perhaps07:26
nocturnuswhat the hell? i need to sleep too, i'm not a robot07:27
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topylinocturnus, please don't idle on this channel. feel free to return later and discuss your ban when you think you're ready to behave on our channels07:46
nocturnusi have to leave it on when i'm sleeping07:47
topylisorry but you can't do that. idling on this channel is not allowed07:47
nocturnuswhy not07:47
topylicome back when you are active again. and sleep well!07:48
nocturnusi'm active now07:48
topylithat's great, but as you see nobody's willing to remove your ban at this time, so you'll have to try again later07:49
nocturnushow do i know when later07:49
topyliyou know it best when you're ready to behave and can talk without the attitude so that an operator will believe it07:49
nocturnushuh?07:50
nocturnushow can you even make such a statement07:50
nocturnusit doesn't make any sense07:50
nocturnusonly in a hypothetical way07:50
topyliyour ban is not going to be removed today. bazhang just gave you a big chunk of his time and he's not convinced07:50
nocturnushe didn't ban me07:51
nocturnushow am i supposed to be guessing when the other guy is going to come around07:51
topylii know, you have been banned and removed by several ops but not him07:51
topylianyone is able to see the logs and evaluate the situation, and perhaps remove the ban07:52
nocturnusthen that means they are likely to come around real soon07:52
topylithat's not going to be today however, i'm afraid07:52
nocturnuswhy not07:52
nocturnushow do you know07:52
topylii know because you've consistetly mishbehaved on our channels, and have not demonstrated any improved understanding of our code of conduct07:53
nocturnusthat's not true, i read the rules multiple times07:53
nocturnusand i've been here ever since07:54
topylii'm sure you've read them07:54
nocturnusthen you haven't answered me what i'm supposed to do07:54
mneptoknocturnus: deebork neebrunyu haashaak tl'aas k'tiri.07:55
mneptoknocturnus: did you read that?07:56
nocturnusdeebork07:56
nocturnuswhat does it mean07:56
topyliyou're supposed to come here, say you'll respect the guidelines in the future, and ask for your ban to be removed07:56
mneptoknocturnus: next question ... did you *understand it*?07:56
nocturnusno of course not, i just said that07:56
nocturnustopyli: i did that already07:56
mneptoknocturnus: there's a difference between "reading" and "understanding." and it seems you don't understand the guidelines, given your propensity to step outside them.07:57
nocturnusi just read them now07:57
nocturnusas in, today07:57
mneptokdo you understand them?07:57
nocturnusyes07:57
mneptokwill you abide by both the Code Of Coduct and IRC Guidelines in the future?07:57
mneptok+n07:58
nocturnusyes07:58
mneptokwell then, that's far different from what you were saying before.07:58
nocturnusi don't know07:58
mneptokwho was the op that banned you?07:58
nocturnusdon't remember07:58
bazhangTm_T,07:58
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mneptokah, Tm_T is in EET (UTC+2)07:59
topyliyeah Tm_T is the latest in a line of ops to have done it07:59
topylimneptok, +3 actually, stupid daylight savings08:02
mneptokah yes. GMT+208:02
mneptoknocturnus: i think you'll need to speak with elky or Tm_T08:03
nocturnushow?08:03
mneptoknocturnus: /whois will help you find out when they're active08:03
nocturnuswhere08:04
mneptok /whois Tm_T08:05
nocturnusdoesn't say08:07
topylinocturnus, it clearly says "is away"08:08
nocturnus'is away' doesn't tell me how i'm supposed to contacted and when08:08
nocturnuswhat am i supposed to /whois them every 10 minutes?08:09
nocturnusgive me a break08:09
topylisend him a private message, he'll see it when he's back. or use memoserv to send him a message (/msg memoserv help). or come back after a few hours (or whenever is convenient for you) as suggested08:20
topylinote that he's not obliged to automatically remove your ban. this is just to make sure he can also consider it, as others have08:21
topylialso note that nobody wants to ban people from ubuntu channels, it's just that sometimes there's no other option. if possible your ban will be removed too, as soon as possible08:23
topylinocturnus, at this time though, you should part this channel as we have a no-idle policy and need the channel for other issues that may arise08:27
Tm_Tnocturnus: hi08:31
topylioh yay patience ftw :)08:33
Tm_Tnocturnus: I banforwarded you here because your attitude towards others08:33
Tm_Tas mentioned by others, I notice08:33
Tm_Tyou see why he is banned in bantracker very well, I haven't seen single line from him without bad attitude08:41
elkyhe trolled -women a while back too08:41
Tm_Tach so08:42
* elky grumps at ubottu08:42
elkylog me in if you're going to give me linkies, silly bot.08:42
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elkysince you still dont listen to me in PM :(08:43
* elky twiddles thumbs08:44
topylisame here, i don't know what i did to anger her :\08:44
Tm_T(:)08:44
elkysrsly, can the review links plz make session08:44
* elky continues twiddling thumbs08:45
Tm_Telky: ah, it's this case in -w08:45
topylian alpha male coming to chat with his feisty fems08:46
elkyoh he was mr alpha08:46
topyliaye08:46
elkyyeah, he's not getting back in too soon08:46
elkyhmm, an abusive "usuario" with a staticip08:50
elkythoughts?08:50
elkyOh ewww. ultimatix/ultimate edition are still floating around :(11:21
elkyWhy did the bot just spam me with the review notice it showed me hours ago?11:21
elkyi know ultamatix is bad and all, but that's a harsh punishment for mentioning it :P11:22
MamarokTm_T: good luck with miss "I know it all"... I avoid getting in discussion with that person13:14
Tm_T(:13:15
Tm_Tpacking stuff, we're moving ->13:27
h00kTm_T: good luck moving :(13:58
tsimpsonelky: are you sure @login does not work in /msg?14:58
elkytsimpson, positive14:59
tsimpsonelky: I just tested it and it seems to work here14:59
jpdstsimpson: I can confirm.14:59
jpdsWell, now it works.14:59
elky@logout15:01
elkyhow does one log oneself out?15:01
tsimpsonuse @unidentify15:01
elky@unidentify15:04
ubottuThe operation succeeded.  If you remain recognized after giving this command, you're being recognized by hostmask, rather than by password.  You must remove whatever hostmask is causing you to be recognized in order not to be recognized.15:04
elky@whoami15:04
elkyand it's now working for me too. It was not working for me earlier.15:04
tsimpsonnot sure why it didn't work15:05
elkyI did in the interim get spammed with 4 copies of a review notice i'd already been sent15:05
macotsimpson: i agree with elky. it only works in-channel for me too15:05
macohmm wait...15:06
* maco goes to try15:06
macois this new?15:06
tsimpsonno, it's been fixed for a while now15:06
tsimpsonit's new-ish15:06
macoso after i type "@login" is ubottu supposed to acknowledge it in some way?15:07
maco@whoami15:07
ubottumaco15:07
macoah alright15:08
maco@unidentify15:08
ubottuThe operation succeeded.  If you remain recognized after giving this command, you're being recognized by hostmask, rather than by password.  You must remove whatever hostmask is causing you to be recognized in order not to be recognized.15:08
macoooo shiny it DOES work now!15:08
tsimpsonbut I've changed nothing in ubottu15:09
tsimpsonodd15:09
tsimpsonbtw, you should not have to @btlogin to access the bantracker if you have already done so in the last 90 days15:11
ubottuIn #ubuntu-offtopic, red2kic said: ubottu: This is an intervention. We wanted the best for you and we have reasons to believe that you have been using jet fuel. It is time to STOP your wrongdoings NOW.15:12
tsimpsonthe session ID gets stored in a cookie, so it should work without generating a new session every time15:12
h00kthat's quite humorous, actually.17:32
Tm_Twhat is?17:32
h00kthe message about jet fuel, sorry17:34
guntberthi, in #ubuntu-server in the topic the last part (Doc and resources: http://tinyurl.com/ubuntuserv ) seem broken18:20
guntbert*seems18:20
* Pici looks18:20
Piciew, we have the ESR smart questions thing in there too18:21
guntbertPici: could it be that tinyurls don't last "forever"?18:22
* guntbert doesn't know why the ESR smart questions link causes pici to "ew"18:23
Piciguntbert: Some of the points that it makes are contrary to the guidlines that we use here.  Example: esr thinks its okay to tell people to rtfm.18:25
guntbertPici: ok - understandable - thx for the explanation - I guess you don't need me for the /topic in #ubuntu-server any more18:26
Piciguntbert: Thanks for pointing it out.18:27
guntbertPici: glad to find work for others :-))18:27
guntbertbye18:27
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h00kPici: did you take that convo to PM?19:54
Picih00k: I didn't yet.19:55
h00kPici: alright, I was going to assist if necessary19:55
PiciIts IdleOne's doppleganger19:55
Picitake a look at his /whois19:55
h00kOh. That one.19:55
h00kI seem to have one as well, h00ked__19:56
h00kNow just h00ked19:56
PiciDarn, they registered that account too, so you cant steal it from under them <.<19:56
h00kI know, I checked :(19:57
h00kI don't know if it was coincidence or if I'm that cool, but I doubt it's the latter19:58
IdleOnemy whatsawhosit?20:01
PiciIdleOne: /whois jcrawford20:01
IdleOnehmmm20:01
IdleOnethat's right I remember him saying something about using this nick20:02
IdleOnedon't know on what network20:02
IdleOnewas,nt this one20:02
PiciI thought it was you playing games the first time I saw him.20:02
IdleOnenope20:02
Piciruh roh20:03
IdleOneuh oh what?20:03
h00kpuur ubottu.20:03
h00kpoor, rather20:03
h00kIt's been happening a lot in the past two days20:03
IdleOneubottu has been taking a beating the past day or so20:03
IdleOnePici: guess I need to get a new cloak20:05
IdleOnemaybe I'll get me one of them cool @ubuntu/member/ deals20:05
Picireconnecting now20:05
h00kIdleOne: :)20:06
PiciOh, I didn't even realize you werent a member yet.20:07
Picigo forth and sign up20:07
h00kubottu: welcome back!20:07
IdleOnethey usually do the membership meetings on tuesday?20:07
h00kThere's a wiki they update20:08
h00kIdleOne: you're in the US?20:08
IdleOneCanada20:08
h00kI think it's the same, North America boards20:08
IdleOneyeah20:08
h00kThey have the Wiki they update with meeting times20:09
h00kIdleOne: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas20:09
IdleOnethank you20:09
h00kIdleOne: I sugggest subscribe to changes so you can see when the next meeting is20:09
IdleOneubottu: is not cooperating :/20:09
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)20:09
Mamarokwhat's wrong with the bot in #kubuntu? It lags heavily20:09
h00kyou'll get an email when it's updated, it looks TBD right now20:09
PiciLooks like it just finished syncing.20:10
PiciINFO 2010-05-12T22:09:46 supybot Not replying to is, not a command.20:10
Pici:(20:10
PiciEr.20:29
IdleOneMy boss just called :/20:30
IdleOnewanted to know if I would be into work tomorrow20:30
IdleOneguess taking 3 extra days off last week was a litlle much20:31
Picitsimpson: When you get a moment, it looks like ubottu failed to properly notice that I banned someone in #ubuntu-offtopic.  It did, however, suggest that I comment on that ban, with the ID of 0.20:34
IdleOneoh looks like ubottu may not have loaded a module or two20:35
IdleOnejust guessing20:35
PiciNo, it pulled in the unbans that I did.20:36
h00kI like ubottu's nifty ban reminders20:37
topylii liked elky's observation, "the bot now actively seeks us out." some might be worried!20:39
PiciI was annoyed at first with the reminders, but I'm growing to like it.20:43
h00kIt will definitely help me remember bans so the banlist doesn't get full20:44
tsimpsonPici: btw, your ban will fail20:44
tsimpson*!*@cd7c8b80/gateway/web/* != *!*@~cd7c8b80/gateway/web/*20:45
h00kyou forgot the wiggle:~20:45
tsimpsonyes, the ~ actually matters :|20:45
Picitsimpson: I'll go ahead and fix it, but shouldn't the bot have at least recorded it?20:45
tsimpsonso if you want to ban by ident, you better hope they don't install/remove an ident daemon20:45
tsimpsonPici: I don't know why the bot failed exactly20:46
tsimpsonPici: and I don't actually have +o in -or20:46
tsimpson*-ot20:46
h00kBeyecixramd might be getting a little google-y in #ubuntu today, I have to take a Final soon so I won't be around20:48
IdleOneso h00k and h00ked are not the same person correct?20:54
h00kThat is correct20:54
h00k/whois h00k; /whois h00ked20:54
h00kmesses up my hilights at the moment20:54
tsimpsonhmm, this is becoming an issue20:57
funkyHat-_- what should I do if I send someone the !wtf factoid and they pull the "I didn't swear" card?21:16
tsimpsonwhat did they do to get the factoid?21:17
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from abstrakt)21:17
tsimpsonand while I'm asking questions...21:19
tsimpsonI don't think it's proper to have the !wtf alias, which basically states that "wtf" is unacceptable. thoughts?21:19
h00kFrom my understanding, acronyms were not tolerated as well21:20
topylii don't think "fuck" is a proper part of our language on ubuntu channels21:20
h00kbut calling it from the offending word is contradictory21:20
* h00k arns topyli 21:20
tsimpsontopyli: no, I'm questioning why we allow the alias "wtf", when we know it's not acceptable for others to use that term21:21
h00kbut calling it from !wtf does show them the offending word, also21:21
topylioh yeah. agreed21:21
h00k!wtf21:21
tsimpsonsomeone says "wtf" and we throw a "!wtf" right back21:21
ubottuPlease watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.21:21
h00kPerhaps that could state acronyms and obfuscation are included as well21:21
tsimpson!-language21:21
ubottulanguage aliases: langauge, wtf, ffs, foad, gtfo, nsfw - added by Seveas on 2006-07-02 10:45:17 - last edited by PriceChild on 2007-11-11 19:30:1321:21
tsimpsonsame with some of those ^21:22
topylinsfw? i'm not even sure if it applies21:22
funkyHat21:15:04 [jessyroo] cellofellow: haha wtf are you talking about?21:22
funkyHatWas the reason I sent the !wtf factoid21:22
tsimpsonfunkyHat: obfuscation, which includes acronyms, is not an excuse either21:23
* funkyHat writes that down21:23
h00kI suppose it does inherently include acronyms21:24
topylifunkyHat, anyway, he was swearing of course. maybe kids don't know that wtf and lol aren't real words21:24
tsimpsonif someone feels they need to use '*', or other characters, to sanitise a word, they already know the word is unwelcome21:25
h00ktsimpson++;21:28
funkyHatThanks ⡈)21:46
txwikingerhmm.. ado we have two tsimpsons now?21:52
tsimpsontwo?21:58
tsimpsonoh, '++'21:59
* tsimpson is slow21:59
knomeno two, tsimpson is now only larger22:00
tsimpsonguess I should go on a diet then22:00
knomelet me help you a bit22:01
knometsimpson--;22:01
jussiplus size tsimpson :P22:16
jussifunny thing is, tsimpson is anything but plus size22:17
knomejussi, :P22:18
knomejussi, how is it going in belgium?22:18
jussiknome: incredibly busy22:18
knomeheh22:18
tsimpsonyes, I am, erm, compact :)22:18
knomejussi, i hope you have had time for a beer or two22:19
jussiknome: 1 or 2, yes22:19
tsimpsonkegs?22:20
* knome sips the last rum from the glass and prepares going to bed22:22
* txwikinger remembers Belgium and the Krik you get there22:27
knometxwikinger, you mean kriek?22:29
txwikingerknome: Yeah.. maybe that... is some time ago :D22:29
knomeyup. i like lambic's, but not the kriek ones22:29
knome(not a big fan of cherry)22:30
txwikingerlambic's is strawberry, right?22:30
knomerasperry22:30
txwikingerah yes22:30
knomeand i think there are some without any fruits22:30
knomeor sth22:30
knomehmmh22:31
knomethere seems to be several "flavors"22:31
knomeyou learn something new every day22:31
txwikingerhehe22:33
knomeanyway, will hit bed now. have a nice day/night/whatever :)22:34
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