[01:24] <Jordan_U> mokabojoe in #ubuntu has a cat on his keyboard :)
[02:36] <myrl> quick question-how do you become a moderator in irc channels of ubuntu?
[02:38] <myrl> i guess that means "i cant tell you"
[02:38] <myrl> bye
[02:40] <elky> ...
[02:41] <elky> If you haven't the patience to wait more than 2 minutes, then no, I really don't want to tell you.
[04:02] <h00k> What happens when the flotbots call ops for an exploit?
[04:05] <IdleOne> usualy freenode kicks in and klines
[04:05] <IdleOne> but the recent dcc spamers seem to have found a way to avoid it
[04:06] <h00k> and by flotbots I meant floodbots
[04:32] <h00k> ubottu is died.
[05:01] <tsimpson> +e list again
[05:35] <h00k> yeah, I need to check my bans.
[05:36] <bazhang> its the exemption list that's the issue
[05:37] <h00k> oh, okay
[05:52] <h00k> makes sense.
[05:53] <h00k> aaaaaaaand I'm out for the eve. Peace, all.
[06:16] <nocturnus> why am i getting redirected here?
[06:45] <bazhang> nocturnus, you have been ban forwarded here to discuss your behaviour in #ubuntu
[06:46] <nocturnus> i don't remember anything, please discuss for me
[06:47] <bazhang> #ubuntu: 2010-05-10T05:56:22 <nocturnus> oxyrosis: are you five years old?
[06:47] <bazhang> #ubuntu: 2010-05-10T05:56:46 <nocturnus> oxyrosis: then stop asking like a five year old, and go change your pampers
[06:47] <nocturnus> lol that's hilarious
[06:47] <bazhang> that is not acceptable behaviour in #ubuntu
[06:47] <nocturnus> oh ok
[06:47] <nocturnus> i actually got banned way after that
[06:47] <nocturnus> so i thought it was acceptable
[06:48] <nocturnus> also please note the 5000 times i told him to use gdb
[06:48] <bazhang> that was but a sample of such ; there is more directed towards others as well
[06:48] <nocturnus> it wasn't a 'trolling' given the context of the situation
[06:49] <bazhang> it's not helpful, and such hostility is not acceptable in any Ubuntu channel
[06:49] <nocturnus> okay
[06:49] <bazhang> there is no 'context' where that would be OK.
[06:50] <nocturnus> can i go back now?
[06:52] <bazhang> !guidelines | nocturnus read these please
[06:52] <bazhang> !coc | nocturnus and these also
[06:53] <nocturnus> i've read those before, do i have to memorize them?
[06:59] <tsimpson> if you'd read those, you'd know that behaviour is not acceptable
[06:59] <tsimpson> so why did you choose to do something you know was not accepted?
[06:59] <nocturnus> yes, and if you read what i just wrote, you'd probably get the impression that i forgot
[06:59] <tsimpson> then you should refresh your memory of those pages
[06:59] <nocturnus> i don't know exactly why i did it
[07:00] <nocturnus> it was a "feel like it" moment probably
[07:05] <nocturnus> can i go now?
[07:09] <bazhang> a feel like it moment?
[07:10] <nocturnus> yes
[07:11] <bazhang> I don't feel confident you have taken the guidelines or the code of conduct very seriously, to be honest.
[07:11] <nocturnus> okay, what do i do now?
[07:12] <bazhang> about what?
[07:12] <nocturnus> about the future regarding this situation
[07:13] <bazhang> perhaps you should have a re-read of them and think about what they mean, particularly as you think 'having a moment' as such in a support channel is OK.
[07:13] <nocturnus> i don't think its ok, that's your decision
[07:13] <bazhang> 'lol that's hilarious' regarding the above attitude to a new user
[07:14] <nocturnus> i guess honesty is not appreciated
[07:14] <nocturnus> you decide if its acceptable or not, but i thought it was hilarious
[07:15] <bazhang> not really. the channel policies have been around far longer than almost all of us.
[07:15] <nocturnus> not really what?
[07:15] <bazhang> if you think treating others like that is hilarious, then perhaps not the channel you should be in
[07:16] <nocturnus> i'm allowed to think what i want
[07:16] <nocturnus> additionally i intend to behave within the constraints of your establishment
[07:17] <bazhang> no question of that. but in a support channel that is not acceptable behaviour towards others
[07:17] <nocturnus> fine
[07:17] <nocturnus> can i go now?
[07:17] <bazhang> certainly
[07:17] <nocturnus> nope, it doesn't work
[07:17] <bazhang> what doesn't
[07:17] <nocturnus> joining #ubuntu
[07:18] <bazhang> you're still banned there.
[07:18] <nocturnus> well no kidding
[07:18] <nocturnus> can i go >in< >
[07:18] <bazhang> I suggested you re-read the documents the bot linked to you.
[07:19] <nocturnus> i've read them
[07:19] <bazhang> and have a re-think about that in light of your comments the other day.
[07:19] <nocturnus> i don't see a clause that says that says comming to ubuntu-ops is futile
[07:20] <bazhang> well I don't think removing the ban would be appropriate at this point; you may certainly discuss with the operator who banned you.
[07:21] <nocturnus> just forward them a copy of this conversation
[07:22] <bazhang> he is currently logged in to the channel, but does not seem to be active at this point in time.
[07:22] <nocturnus> yes ..........
[07:22] <bazhang> so I would suggest you rejoin at a later time, then discuss with him.
[07:23] <nocturnus> why would i do that? its all been said here
[07:23] <bazhang> yes, and I don't think removing your ban is warranted at this point in time.
[07:23] <nocturnus> you already said that
[07:25] <bazhang> right, so you should discuss with him.
[07:25] <nocturnus> just fwd it to him
[07:25] <bazhang> that's not how it works.
[07:26] <nocturnus> why not? you are not friends with him?
[07:26] <nocturnus> i don't know the schedule of these people
[07:26] <bazhang> nor do I.
[07:26] <nocturnus> better than i
[07:26] <bazhang> try in 6-8 hours from now, perhaps
[07:27] <nocturnus> what the hell? i need to sleep too, i'm not a robot
[07:38] <topyli> @login
[07:39] <topyli> @btlogin
[07:46] <topyli> nocturnus, please don't idle on this channel. feel free to return later and discuss your ban when you think you're ready to behave on our channels
[07:47] <nocturnus> i have to leave it on when i'm sleeping
[07:47] <topyli> sorry but you can't do that. idling on this channel is not allowed
[07:47] <nocturnus> why not
[07:48] <topyli> come back when you are active again. and sleep well!
[07:48] <nocturnus> i'm active now
[07:49] <topyli> that's great, but as you see nobody's willing to remove your ban at this time, so you'll have to try again later
[07:49] <nocturnus> how do i know when later
[07:49] <topyli> you know it best when you're ready to behave and can talk without the attitude so that an operator will believe it
[07:50] <nocturnus> huh?
[07:50] <nocturnus> how can you even make such a statement
[07:50] <nocturnus> it doesn't make any sense
[07:50] <nocturnus> only in a hypothetical way
[07:50] <topyli> your ban is not going to be removed today. bazhang just gave you a big chunk of his time and he's not convinced
[07:51] <nocturnus> he didn't ban me
[07:51] <nocturnus> how am i supposed to be guessing when the other guy is going to come around
[07:51] <topyli> i know, you have been banned and removed by several ops but not him
[07:52] <topyli> anyone is able to see the logs and evaluate the situation, and perhaps remove the ban
[07:52] <nocturnus> then that means they are likely to come around real soon
[07:52] <topyli> that's not going to be today however, i'm afraid
[07:52] <nocturnus> why not
[07:52] <nocturnus> how do you know
[07:53] <topyli> i know because you've consistetly mishbehaved on our channels, and have not demonstrated any improved understanding of our code of conduct
[07:53] <nocturnus> that's not true, i read the rules multiple times
[07:54] <nocturnus> and i've been here ever since
[07:54] <topyli> i'm sure you've read them
[07:54] <nocturnus> then you haven't answered me what i'm supposed to do
[07:55] <mneptok> nocturnus: deebork neebrunyu haashaak tl'aas k'tiri.
[07:56] <mneptok> nocturnus: did you read that?
[07:56] <nocturnus> deebork
[07:56] <nocturnus> what does it mean
[07:56] <topyli> you're supposed to come here, say you'll respect the guidelines in the future, and ask for your ban to be removed
[07:56] <mneptok> nocturnus: next question ... did you *understand it*?
[07:56] <nocturnus> no of course not, i just said that
[07:56] <nocturnus> topyli: i did that already
[07:57] <mneptok> nocturnus: there's a difference between "reading" and "understanding." and it seems you don't understand the guidelines, given your propensity to step outside them.
[07:57] <nocturnus> i just read them now
[07:57] <nocturnus> as in, today
[07:57] <mneptok> do you understand them?
[07:57] <nocturnus> yes
[07:57] <mneptok> will you abide by both the Code Of Coduct and IRC Guidelines in the future?
[07:58] <mneptok> +n
[07:58] <nocturnus> yes
[07:58] <mneptok> well then, that's far different from what you were saying before.
[07:58] <nocturnus> i don't know
[07:58] <mneptok> who was the op that banned you?
[07:58] <nocturnus> don't remember
[07:58] <bazhang> Tm_T,
[07:58] <mneptok> @login
[07:59] <mneptok> ah, Tm_T is in EET (UTC+2)
[07:59] <topyli> yeah Tm_T is the latest in a line of ops to have done it
[08:02] <topyli> mneptok, +3 actually, stupid daylight savings
[08:02] <mneptok> ah yes. GMT+2
[08:03] <mneptok> nocturnus: i think you'll need to speak with elky or Tm_T
[08:03] <nocturnus> how?
[08:03] <mneptok> nocturnus: /whois will help you find out when they're active
[08:04] <nocturnus> where
[08:05] <mneptok>  /whois Tm_T
[08:07] <nocturnus> doesn't say
[08:08] <topyli> nocturnus, it clearly says "is away"
[08:08] <nocturnus> 'is away' doesn't tell me how i'm supposed to contacted and when
[08:09] <nocturnus> what am i supposed to /whois them every 10 minutes?
[08:09] <nocturnus> give me a break
[08:20] <topyli> send him a private message, he'll see it when he's back. or use memoserv to send him a message (/msg memoserv help). or come back after a few hours (or whenever is convenient for you) as suggested
[08:21] <topyli> note that he's not obliged to automatically remove your ban. this is just to make sure he can also consider it, as others have
[08:23] <topyli> also note that nobody wants to ban people from ubuntu channels, it's just that sometimes there's no other option. if possible your ban will be removed too, as soon as possible
[08:27] <topyli> nocturnus, at this time though, you should part this channel as we have a no-idle policy and need the channel for other issues that may arise
[08:31] <Tm_T> nocturnus: hi
[08:33] <topyli> oh yay patience ftw :)
[08:33] <Tm_T> nocturnus: I banforwarded you here because your attitude towards others
[08:33] <Tm_T> as mentioned by others, I notice
[08:41] <Tm_T> you see why he is banned in bantracker very well, I haven't seen single line from him without bad attitude
[08:41] <elky> he trolled -women a while back too
[08:42] <Tm_T> ach so
[08:42]  * elky grumps at ubottu
[08:42] <elky> log me in if you're going to give me linkies, silly bot.
[08:43] <elky> @btlogin
[08:43] <elky> @login
[08:43] <elky> @btlogin
[08:43] <elky> since you still dont listen to me in PM :(
[08:44]  * elky twiddles thumbs
[08:44] <topyli> same here, i don't know what i did to anger her :\
[08:44] <Tm_T> (:)
[08:44] <elky> srsly, can the review links plz make session
[08:45]  * elky continues twiddling thumbs
[08:45] <Tm_T> elky: ah, it's this case in -w
[08:46] <topyli> an alpha male coming to chat with his feisty fems
[08:46] <elky> oh he was mr alpha
[08:46] <topyli> aye
[08:46] <elky> yeah, he's not getting back in too soon
[08:50] <elky> hmm, an abusive "usuario" with a staticip
[08:50] <elky> thoughts?
[11:21] <elky> Oh ewww. ultimatix/ultimate edition are still floating around :(
[11:21] <elky> Why did the bot just spam me with the review notice it showed me hours ago?
[11:22] <elky> i know ultamatix is bad and all, but that's a harsh punishment for mentioning it :P
[13:14] <Mamarok> Tm_T: good luck with miss "I know it all"... I avoid getting in discussion with that person
[13:15] <Tm_T> (:
[13:27] <Tm_T> packing stuff, we're moving ->
[13:58] <h00k> Tm_T: good luck moving :(
[14:58] <tsimpson> elky: are you sure @login does not work in /msg?
[14:59] <elky> tsimpson, positive
[14:59] <tsimpson> elky: I just tested it and it seems to work here
[14:59] <jpds> tsimpson: I can confirm.
[14:59] <jpds> Well, now it works.
[15:01] <elky> @logout
[15:01] <elky> how does one log oneself out?
[15:01] <tsimpson> use @unidentify
[15:04] <elky> @unidentify
[15:04] <elky> @whoami
[15:04] <elky> and it's now working for me too. It was not working for me earlier.
[15:05] <tsimpson> not sure why it didn't work
[15:05] <elky> I did in the interim get spammed with 4 copies of a review notice i'd already been sent
[15:05] <maco> tsimpson: i agree with elky. it only works in-channel for me too
[15:06] <maco> hmm wait...
[15:06]  * maco goes to try
[15:06] <maco> is this new?
[15:06] <tsimpson> no, it's been fixed for a while now
[15:06] <tsimpson> it's new-ish
[15:07] <maco> so after i type "@login" is ubottu supposed to acknowledge it in some way?
[15:07] <maco> @whoami
[15:08] <maco> ah alright
[15:08] <maco> @unidentify
[15:08] <maco> ooo shiny it DOES work now!
[15:09] <tsimpson> but I've changed nothing in ubottu
[15:09] <tsimpson> odd
[15:11] <tsimpson> btw, you should not have to @btlogin to access the bantracker if you have already done so in the last 90 days
[15:12] <tsimpson> the session ID gets stored in a cookie, so it should work without generating a new session every time
[17:32] <h00k> that's quite humorous, actually.
[17:32] <Tm_T> what is?
[17:34] <h00k> the message about jet fuel, sorry
[18:20] <guntbert> hi, in #ubuntu-server in the topic the last part (Doc and resources: http://tinyurl.com/ubuntuserv ) seem broken
[18:20] <guntbert> *seems
[18:20]  * Pici looks
[18:21] <Pici> ew, we have the ESR smart questions thing in there too
[18:22] <guntbert> Pici: could it be that tinyurls don't last "forever"?
[18:23]  * guntbert doesn't know why the ESR smart questions link causes pici to "ew"
[18:25] <Pici> guntbert: Some of the points that it makes are contrary to the guidlines that we use here.  Example: esr thinks its okay to tell people to rtfm.
[18:26] <guntbert> Pici: ok - understandable - thx for the explanation - I guess you don't need me for the /topic in #ubuntu-server any more
[18:27] <Pici> guntbert: Thanks for pointing it out.
[18:27] <guntbert> Pici: glad to find work for others :-))
[18:27] <guntbert> bye
[19:54] <h00k> Pici: did you take that convo to PM?
[19:55] <Pici> h00k: I didn't yet.
[19:55] <h00k> Pici: alright, I was going to assist if necessary
[19:55] <Pici> Its IdleOne's doppleganger
[19:55] <Pici> take a look at his /whois
[19:55] <h00k> Oh. That one.
[19:56] <h00k> I seem to have one as well, h00ked__
[19:56] <h00k> Now just h00ked
[19:56] <Pici> Darn, they registered that account too, so you cant steal it from under them <.<
[19:57] <h00k> I know, I checked :(
[19:58] <h00k> I don't know if it was coincidence or if I'm that cool, but I doubt it's the latter
[20:01] <IdleOne> my whatsawhosit?
[20:01] <Pici> IdleOne: /whois jcrawford
[20:01] <IdleOne> hmmm
[20:02] <IdleOne> that's right I remember him saying something about using this nick
[20:02] <IdleOne> don't know on what network
[20:02] <IdleOne> was,nt this one
[20:02] <Pici> I thought it was you playing games the first time I saw him.
[20:02] <IdleOne> nope
[20:03] <Pici> ruh roh
[20:03] <IdleOne> uh oh what?
[20:03] <h00k> puur ubottu.
[20:03] <h00k> poor, rather
[20:03] <h00k> It's been happening a lot in the past two days
[20:03] <IdleOne> ubottu has been taking a beating the past day or so
[20:05] <IdleOne> Pici: guess I need to get a new cloak
[20:05] <IdleOne> maybe I'll get me one of them cool @ubuntu/member/ deals
[20:05] <Pici> reconnecting now
[20:06] <h00k> IdleOne: :)
[20:07] <Pici> Oh, I didn't even realize you werent a member yet.
[20:07] <Pici> go forth and sign up
[20:07] <h00k> ubottu: welcome back!
[20:07] <IdleOne> they usually do the membership meetings on tuesday?
[20:08] <h00k> There's a wiki they update
[20:08] <h00k> IdleOne: you're in the US?
[20:08] <IdleOne> Canada
[20:08] <h00k> I think it's the same, North America boards
[20:08] <IdleOne> yeah
[20:09] <h00k> They have the Wiki they update with meeting times
[20:09] <h00k> IdleOne: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas
[20:09] <IdleOne> thank you
[20:09] <h00k> IdleOne: I sugggest subscribe to changes so you can see when the next meeting is
[20:09] <IdleOne> ubottu: is not cooperating :/
[20:09] <Mamarok> what's wrong with the bot in #kubuntu? It lags heavily
[20:09] <h00k> you'll get an email when it's updated, it looks TBD right now
[20:10] <Pici> Looks like it just finished syncing.
[20:10] <Pici> INFO 2010-05-12T22:09:46 supybot Not replying to is, not a command.
[20:10] <Pici> :(
[20:29] <Pici> Er.
[20:30] <IdleOne> My boss just called :/
[20:30] <IdleOne> wanted to know if I would be into work tomorrow
[20:31] <IdleOne> guess taking 3 extra days off last week was a litlle much
[20:34] <Pici> tsimpson: When you get a moment, it looks like ubottu failed to properly notice that I banned someone in #ubuntu-offtopic.  It did, however, suggest that I comment on that ban, with the ID of 0.
[20:35] <IdleOne> oh looks like ubottu may not have loaded a module or two
[20:35] <IdleOne> just guessing
[20:36] <Pici> No, it pulled in the unbans that I did.
[20:37] <h00k> I like ubottu's nifty ban reminders
[20:39] <topyli> i liked elky's observation, "the bot now actively seeks us out." some might be worried!
[20:43] <Pici> I was annoyed at first with the reminders, but I'm growing to like it.
[20:44] <h00k> It will definitely help me remember bans so the banlist doesn't get full
[20:44] <tsimpson> Pici: btw, your ban will fail
[20:45] <tsimpson> *!*@cd7c8b80/gateway/web/* != *!*@~cd7c8b80/gateway/web/*
[20:45] <h00k> you forgot the wiggle:~
[20:45] <tsimpson> yes, the ~ actually matters :|
[20:45] <Pici> tsimpson: I'll go ahead and fix it, but shouldn't the bot have at least recorded it?
[20:45] <tsimpson> so if you want to ban by ident, you better hope they don't install/remove an ident daemon
[20:46] <tsimpson> Pici: I don't know why the bot failed exactly
[20:46] <tsimpson> Pici: and I don't actually have +o in -or
[20:46] <tsimpson> *-ot
[20:48] <h00k> Beyecixramd might be getting a little google-y in #ubuntu today, I have to take a Final soon so I won't be around
[20:54] <IdleOne> so h00k and h00ked are not the same person correct?
[20:54] <h00k> That is correct
[20:54] <h00k> /whois h00k; /whois h00ked
[20:54] <h00k> messes up my hilights at the moment
[20:57] <tsimpson> hmm, this is becoming an issue
[21:16] <funkyHat> -_- what should I do if I send someone the !wtf factoid and they pull the "I didn't swear" card?
[21:17] <tsimpson> what did they do to get the factoid?
[21:19] <tsimpson> and while I'm asking questions...
[21:19] <tsimpson> I don't think it's proper to have the !wtf alias, which basically states that "wtf" is unacceptable. thoughts?
[21:20] <h00k> From my understanding, acronyms were not tolerated as well
[21:20] <topyli> i don't think "fuck" is a proper part of our language on ubuntu channels
[21:20] <h00k> but calling it from the offending word is contradictory
[21:20]  * h00k arns topyli 
[21:21] <tsimpson> topyli: no, I'm questioning why we allow the alias "wtf", when we know it's not acceptable for others to use that term
[21:21] <h00k> but calling it from !wtf does show them the offending word, also
[21:21] <topyli> oh yeah. agreed
[21:21] <h00k> !wtf
[21:21] <tsimpson> someone says "wtf" and we throw a "!wtf" right back
[21:21] <h00k> Perhaps that could state acronyms and obfuscation are included as well
[21:21] <tsimpson> !-language
[21:22] <tsimpson> same with some of those ^
[21:22] <topyli> nsfw? i'm not even sure if it applies
[21:22] <funkyHat> 21:15:04 [jessyroo] cellofellow: haha wtf are you talking about?
[21:22] <funkyHat> Was the reason I sent the !wtf factoid
[21:23] <tsimpson> funkyHat: obfuscation, which includes acronyms, is not an excuse either
[21:23]  * funkyHat writes that down
[21:24] <h00k> I suppose it does inherently include acronyms
[21:24] <topyli> funkyHat, anyway, he was swearing of course. maybe kids don't know that wtf and lol aren't real words
[21:25] <tsimpson> if someone feels they need to use '*', or other characters, to sanitise a word, they already know the word is unwelcome
[21:28] <h00k> tsimpson++;
[21:46] <funkyHat> Thanks ⡈)
[21:52] <txwikinger> hmm.. ado we have two tsimpsons now?
[21:58] <tsimpson> two?
[21:59] <tsimpson> oh, '++'
[21:59]  * tsimpson is slow
[22:00] <knome> no two, tsimpson is now only larger
[22:00] <tsimpson> guess I should go on a diet then
[22:01] <knome> let me help you a bit
[22:01] <knome> tsimpson--;
[22:16] <jussi> plus size tsimpson :P
[22:17] <jussi> funny thing is, tsimpson is anything but plus size
[22:18] <knome> jussi, :P
[22:18] <knome> jussi, how is it going in belgium?
[22:18] <jussi> knome: incredibly busy
[22:18] <knome> heh
[22:18] <tsimpson> yes, I am, erm, compact :)
[22:19] <knome> jussi, i hope you have had time for a beer or two
[22:19] <jussi> knome: 1 or 2, yes
[22:20] <tsimpson> kegs?
[22:22]  * knome sips the last rum from the glass and prepares going to bed
[22:27]  * txwikinger remembers Belgium and the Krik you get there
[22:29] <knome> txwikinger, you mean kriek?
[22:29] <txwikinger> knome: Yeah.. maybe that... is some time ago :D
[22:29] <knome> yup. i like lambic's, but not the kriek ones
[22:30] <knome> (not a big fan of cherry)
[22:30] <txwikinger> lambic's is strawberry, right?
[22:30] <knome> rasperry
[22:30] <txwikinger> ah yes
[22:30] <knome> and i think there are some without any fruits
[22:30] <knome> or sth
[22:31] <knome> hmmh
[22:31] <knome> there seems to be several "flavors"
[22:31] <knome> you learn something new every day
[22:33] <txwikinger> hehe
[22:34] <knome> anyway, will hit bed now. have a nice day/night/whatever :)
[22:38] <txwikinger> @login
[22:38] <txwikinger> @btlogin