[00:00] <kerim> how can make new folder in   /opt/  ? I need make new folder in this
[00:00] <kerim> ı am using ubuntu 10.04
[00:01] <letharion> kerim: Are you sure you need to do what? From a terminal that is "mkdir /opt/newdirname" but why do you need to do that manually?
[00:01] <letharion> "need to do that"
[00:01] <kerim> ı was install xampp
[00:02] <kerim> php server
[00:02] <kerim> andı will  some files paste  /opt/lampp/htdocs for joomla
[00:04] <letharion> kerim: I'm not sure what you are asking?
[00:05] <kerim> joomla is web
[00:05] <kerim> local web
[00:05] <kerim> i will try joomla in my machine local position
[00:06] <terry_> Fn + F8 no longer works on 10.04. Can someone point me in the direction of a resolution?
[00:06] <letharion> kerim: I see.
[00:06] <letharion> terry_: What is it you expect Fn + F8 to do?
[00:07] <terry_> It used to send screen output to a projector...
[00:07] <Lzergs> alt+f4
[00:07] <Lzergs> fron start the game
[00:08] <Lzergs> or
[00:08] <Lzergs> ctrl+w
[00:09] <letharion> terry_: Other than "could be video-driver related", I don't know unfortunately.
[00:09] <terry_> Using nvidia. We've been working on this for two days :o[
[00:10] <letharion> terry_: Do you know which version? Have you tried a different version? (Older, newer). Are there any potentially related error messages in /var/log/messages?
[00:11] <Lzergs> adios
[00:11] <Lzergs> amigos
[00:11] <Lzergs> foi bom conhecer voces
[00:11] <Lzergs> mas aqui nao tem piriquito
[00:11] <Lzergs> t+
[00:11] <terry_> The driver is 195.36.15. This is the recommended driver.
[00:11] <AnnaZ> letharion: i suppose they have a hidden application which writes into the hidden area of the disk to switch the device.
[00:11] <AnnaZ> letharion: and then it just stays as long as you don't power it off.
[00:11] <letharion> AnnaZ: I've rebooted a couple of times now, and it just work. Thanks :)
[00:12] <letharion> AnnaZ: Ah, ofc, I haven't turned it off yet...
[00:13] <letharion> AnnaZ: Damn, you're right. If I pull it out I'm back to square one.
[00:14] <AnnaZ> letharion: if you can find that app, perhaps you can have it run in wine and switch your device into radio mode, or perhaps someone wrote a replacement.
[00:17] <BluesKaj> terry_, which nvidia card and does it it 2 dvi outputs or any hdmi outs ?
[00:18] <terry_> Yes, the computer has one HDMI output.
[00:19] <BluesKaj> ok, terry_ so the hdmi out is feeding the projector ?
[00:19] <terry_> No. I have it plugged into the VGA port.
[00:20] <terry_> The computer has a HDMI and VGA port. It is a Dell Lattitude E6500.
[00:21] <BluesKaj> so no hdmi input on the projector ...bummer, however nvidia control panel should have the switching options
[00:22] <terry_> There is a hdmi input to the projector. I just don't have the proper cable.
[00:22] <letharion> AnnaZ: Thanks, at least I understand the problem better now, I will consult the oracle (aka google) and see if I can figure something out. :)
[00:22] <BluesKaj> terry_,  I'll ask again, which nvidia card , pci or onboard ?
[00:23] <terry_> The card is onboard. the driver is 195.36.15.
[00:24] <terry_> This is a Dell Latitude E6500 notebook.
[00:24] <BluesKaj> nvidia-current
[00:24] <letharion> Do nvidia even produce onboard GPUs? Wouldn't that be an Intel or something instead?
[00:26] <BluesKaj> letharion, yes , I have one on this laptop and wife, has one on her pc, altho i installed apcix 7600gt because it's being used as a  media server in the tv room
[00:26] <AnnaZ> letharion: of course. there are NForce mainboard chipsets with geforce 61x0/71x0 and 9500.
[00:26] <terry_> nvidia-current is not an option
[00:26] <AnnaZ> letharion: besides many GeForce GO chipsets have been used alongside Intel system chipsets.
[00:26] <terry_> I'm looking at nvidia-settings
[00:27] <letharion> I was not aware :)
[00:27] <letharion> Thanks for the help, I need to catch some sleep
[00:28] <AnnaZ> ehr 9400 i mean
[00:28] <AnnaZ> M
[00:29] <terry_> I am new to Kunbuntu. Been working with RedHat. I don't know how to answer your question.
[00:31] <terry_> Obviously, I don't know how to use this thing. How do I reply to someone who has replied to me?
[00:32] <AnnaZ> what?
[00:33] <AnnaZ> i can't even see what client you are using. konversation? irssi?
[00:34] <terry_> I am using quassel IRC.
[00:34] <AnnaZ> ah k.
[00:34] <AnnaZ> say why is #kubuntu full of psychos who chat me up in private and want to have sex?
[00:34] <AnnaZ> perhaps i should quit this channel...
[00:35] <DarthFrog> You're special? :-)
[00:35] <AnnaZ> yeah right.
[00:37] <terry_> AnnaZ: Do you have any experience with Dell Latitude E6500? Before upgrading to 10.04, Fn+F8 worked; that is, external monitor support. Now it does not.
[00:38] <AnnaZ> no. how many laptops do you expect me to have -.-
[00:38] <AnnaZ> which was the version you used before? 9.10?
[00:38] <terry_> AnnaZ: Just one; hopefully, the same as me.
[00:39] <terry_> AnnaZ: Yes, 9.10.
[00:39] <AnnaZ> in 9.10 there was this funky service which checked every 10 seconds whether a new monitor was attached.
[00:39] <AnnaZ> unfortunately it led to a lot of problems for some users.
[00:39] <AnnaZ> like display flickering every 10 seconds for some.
[00:39] <AnnaZ> for others videos wouldn't play right because of that.
[00:40] <AnnaZ> terry_: i suppose you can force checking monitors now, but i don't remember how, will have to do something with xrandr.
[00:40] <terry_> AnnaZ: Ok. I'm new to Kunbuntu. Fn + F8 worked a few weeks back. I purchased a projector that does 1920x1080.
[00:41] <terry_> AnnaZ: I will try working with xrandr. Haven't taken that approach. Thanks...
[00:41] <Corvinus> hi everyone!
[00:42] <terry_> Corvinus: Greetings...
[00:43] <Corvinus> ^^ hi! well actually I have a doubt... it is just me or the reposories arfe mmm kinda lagged?
[00:43] <Corvinus> are*
[00:44] <AnnaZ> corvinus, german canonical mirror was very slow a week after release, but by now it's amazingly swift, serves me at 5 megabytes per second.
[00:45] <AnnaZ> other mirrors have been that much less satisfactory.
[00:47] <Corvinus> wow! that's speedy. Yesteday and up to this noon i was fine, but @13 hrs aprox. the conection was lost. first i thought it was my ISP, but, as u can see my internet conection is working..
[00:48] <Corvinus> mmm and how can I change my repos. list? sry. i'm new in linux....
[00:48] <BluesKaj> terry_, so nvidia settings has no video out switching options ?
[00:51] <BluesKaj> terry_, i recommenf you buy an hdmi cale for your projector input. I recently bought a 5m hdmi cable for $13 canadian, so they aren't expensive.
[00:51] <terry_> BluesKaj: Yes, I am able to get output to the port; however, I cannot get the resolution that is supported by the unit; that is, 1920x1080.
[00:52] <terry_> BluesKaj: Thanks for the advice and help. I will do that.
[00:52] <BluesKaj> yes vga won'r support that res , it's too high
[00:52] <AnnaZ> Corvinus: i assume you're using kde... then KPackageKit, there Settings, Use Software Sources, Kubuntu Software, Download From...
[00:52] <BluesKaj> terry_, only dvi or hdmi supports hi-def.
[00:53] <terry_> BulesKaj: Ok. Thanks for the assistance...
[00:54] <BluesKaj> terry_, np :)
[00:54] <AnnaZ> BluesKaj: i'm not sure what limits that.
[00:54] <AnnaZ> we have used 1600x1200 displays in VGA days.
[00:54] <Corvinus> ok... testing.... :)
[00:54] <ionut> hei
[00:55] <ionut> how can i undo a sudo cp -r removing folder ?
[00:55] <AnnaZ> and 1920x1080 needs same pixelrate, roughly, and lower horizontal rate.
[00:55] <ionut> i have removed the share folder from usr
[00:55] <terry_> AnnaZ: One of my employees plugged into the unit running 1600x1200 and it worked fine. She is running RH.
[00:55] <Corvinus> AnnaZ: it seems you're right... :) thank you so much!! ^^
[00:56] <terry_> AnnaZ: She also is able to use Fn + F8 to send output out the VGA port.
[00:56] <AnnaZ> ionut: if you have removed /usr/share, i suppose you better reinstall all software.
[00:57] <AnnaZ> ionut: but cp doesn't remove anything. and there is no direct undo for things like mv or rm -f on command line.
[00:57] <BluesKaj> vga doesn't do much higher than that , the newer hidef resolutions are upwards of 1080x1920
[00:58] <terry_> BlueKaj: I have a hdmi cable; however, I have to get an addapter for this proprietery Dell. :o/
[00:59] <AnnaZ> BluesKaj: my calculations show that a roughly 300mhz ramdac should do 1080x1920 just fine.
[00:59] <BluesKaj> adapter terry_ , what kind of adapter?
[00:59] <AnnaZ> BluesKaj: while new cards are usually equipped with 400mhz or so ramdacs.
[00:59] <terry_> BluesKaj: Once I order the adapter, I see if this damn problem goes away...
[00:59] <Corvinus> AnnaZ: thx for your help. it seem to you are right.  Honours to you, buddy! ^^
[01:00] <ionut> Aranel: i can read anything , it would be nice of you if you write with a big font. mine is so small, tnx so much, what can i do to undo that , or to recover it? or to download a share folder from someone?
[01:00] <AnnaZ> yw fish -.-
[01:00] <terry_> AnnaZ and BluesKaj: I appreciate you input. I've had it for the day. Started at 04:00 this morning. Thanks again...
[01:00] <AnnaZ> AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHHH WRITE IN A BIG FONT :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
[01:00] <BluesKaj> AnnaZ, the vga analog cable doesn't work as well as the digital in real life
[01:01] <Aranel> ionut: ? :)
[01:01] <ionut> Aranel: yes ?
[01:01] <AnnaZ> BluesKaj: i know, it will be the smearier the longer and thinner the cable is. but the chip will output much higher res just fine.
[01:01] <Aranel> ionut: you want me to write with a big font, on IRC? how?
[01:01] <ionut> Aranel: just a little big, like 22 or 24
[01:01] <AnnaZ> Aranel: he can't read so he confused you with me i suppose.
[01:02] <Aranel> AnnaZ: oh ok =)
[01:02] <BluesKaj> AnnaZ, ok theory is fine , but the marketplace determines what one can use ...it's dvi or hdmi for hi-def
[01:03] <ionut> Aranel: ohhhhhh, what i am doing, how can i restore it ? can anyone tell me how can i restore the share folder ?
[01:03] <terry_> iounut: Backup?
[01:04] <AnnaZ> BluesKaj: now... for what relevance is it HERE, i suppose the person asking a question had a technical problem, not a marketing problem.
[01:04] <ionut> come on , can anyone help meee?
[01:05] <AnnaZ> ionut: are you for real?
[01:05] <BluesKaj> well when technical translates to what ppl can actually use it's the marketplace that determines it , AnnaZ
[01:05] <AnnaZ> i think you're trolling us.
[01:05] <ionut> Aranel: yeeeeeeessssss
[01:05] <AnnaZ> my name is not Aranel.
[01:05] <Aranel> lol
[01:05] <ionut> i cant read your name
[01:05] <ionut> is to small the font
[01:06] <ionut> can u write bigger
[01:06] <ionut> please
[01:06] <AnnaZ> then make the font larger on your side.
[01:06] <BluesKaj> anyway ...game on here ..bye for now
[01:06] <AnnaZ> it's not msn. there is no such thing as write bigger.
[01:06] <ionut> ok
[01:06] <ionut> then
[01:06] <AnnaZ> unless you want me to SHOUT at you.
[01:06] <ionut> can u tell me
[01:06] <ionut> how can i restore the share folder????
[01:06] <smokealot> ionut: "mkdir share"
[01:07] <AnnaZ> ROFL
[01:07] <smokealot> (:
[01:07] <ionut> i can't go on to the termina
[01:07] <ionut> l
[01:07] <ionut> everything dissapeared
[01:07] <smokealot> then you must go to sleep and when you wake up try again
[01:07] <smokealot> thats what i do
[01:07] <AnnaZ> ionut: where are you typing this from?
[01:07] <AnnaZ> if "everything disappeared"?
[01:07] <ionut> i can se just mozila
[01:07] <ionut> and net beans
[01:07] <ionut> and konversation
[01:08] <ionut> the reason? i don't know why
[01:08] <ionut> is like 3 in the morning here in italy and i am tired
[01:08] <AnnaZ> ionut, well, make yourself a kubuntu install cd, and reinstall tomorrow.
[01:08] <ionut> can i or i cannot solve this problem ?
[01:08] <AnnaZ> after you sleep.
[01:08] <AnnaZ> you can install right atop.
[01:08] <ionut> well, i have ubuntu
[01:09] <AnnaZ> if you have ubuntu cd you get ubuntu.
[01:09] <ionut> but i can't go on ubuntu channel
[01:09] <AnnaZ> if you have kubuntu cd you get kubuntu.
[01:09] <AnnaZ> it's so simple :D
[01:09] <terry_> Go Kunbuntu...
[01:09] <ionut> i have you :D
[01:09] <DarthFrog> Well, it is that simple.  But you can have your Ubuntu and Kubuntu, too.
[01:09] <ionut> and also this fond
[01:10] <DarthFrog> And Edubuntu and Xubuntu, if you wish.
[01:10] <DarthFrog> All on the same system, choose which one you want any time.
[01:10] <AnnaZ> mix them all and it will be kunterbuntu!
[01:10] <AnnaZ> .oO(sry if only germans got that one)
[01:10] <DarthFrog> And If you have Kubuntu (yay!) you can run all the Ubuntu apps.  And _vice versa_.
[01:11] <terry_> Good night Kunbuntu...
[01:11] <DarthFrog> There's a lot to recommend Xubuntu, especially on older systems.
[01:12] <AnnaZ> ionut: just reinstall from whatever disc you installed last time. make sure not to format (erase everything) while you do.
[01:13] <AnnaZ> uhm is there a command which reinstalls all installed packages anew?
[01:13] <AnnaZ> perhaps that would help him.
[01:14] <DarthFrog> for i in `dpkg --list | grep ^ii.* | cut -d ' ' -f 3`; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install --reinstall $i; done
[01:14] <DarthFrog> Oops, take the apt-get update out of the loop. :-)
[01:15] <AnnaZ> oh he died anyway.
[01:22] <olskolirc> whats with this Lucid, my system tray keeps stretching out leaving inches of blank space every time I switch to an empty desktop or the desktop where I do have programs running for a long time it does that.
[01:23] <olskolirc> all fixed never mind - i just took out the weather widget
[01:32] <asobi> trying to rename a file but a foreign character in the filename is preventing me from doing so. what gives???
[01:34] <AnnaZ> asobi: should not be a problem. it's not windows 98.
[01:35] <asobi> yet it IS a problem
[01:35] <asobi> i am looking right at it
[01:35] <AnnaZ> and you are using dolphin?
[01:35] <asobi> and yes, when did kubuntu become worse than windows 98?
[01:35] <asobi> konqueror
[01:36] <AnnaZ> idk, didn't have a problem in dolphin. if the filesystem encoding was switched at some point, you may have to delete a bit more around this weird character to work.
[01:37] <AnnaZ> and i did have some files whose names were misencoded due to my mistake.
[01:38] <asobi> fails in dolphin
[01:40] <AnnaZ> -.- superweird
[01:40] <AnnaZ> perhaps they wanna have a bug report over there.
[01:47] <ner0x> Any budgeting software for KDE or linux that is proven to work? Something like quickbooks?
[01:47] <olskolirc> this Lucid - my graphics colors on my monitor get brighter and darker - does it do this for you guys?
[01:52] <larsjaa> olskolirc: something to do with power management maybe?
[01:53] <olskolirc> ok larsjaa ill take a look at that thanks
[01:55] <mase_wk> ner0x: i quite like kmymoney but ymmv
[01:56] <mase_wk> ner0x: you will probably need to use the applications and see if it suits your needs.
[01:56] <ner0x> mase_wk: Can tap into your bank account?
[01:58] <mase_wk> ner0x: i can't say i've tried configuring that, having an app talk directly to the bank doesn't sit well with me. It can import the OFX statements from my bank.
[01:58] <ner0x> Ah, well as long as it can work back and forth I'm fine.
[01:58] <mase_wk> ner0x: like i said, YMMV. It's really something you need to try for yourself as my needs are different to yours
[01:59] <ner0x> ymmv?
[01:59] <mase_wk> your mileage may vary
[02:01] <mase_wk> there are somethings which kmymoney  does which are important to me and things like quickbooks / myob etc can't do, however they may not be important to you  and other things which quickbooks can do might be more important for your use case
[02:12] <olskolirc> what is uid 0?
[02:13] <olskolirc> never mind i found it
[02:21] <bart_> hola alguien?
[02:22] <juve_> goodmorning
[02:25] <bart_> alguien que me pueda ayudar?
[02:34] <TylerLE> I'm having an issue installing gnustep-devel. It claims there are unresolved dependencies but doesn't list what they are. Does anyone have a solution to this problem?
[02:42] <TylerLE> can anyone else reproduce this error?
[02:48] <Walzmyn> TylerLE: how are you trying to install it?
[02:52] <TylerLE> I've tried both apt-get install gnustep-devel and packagekit
[02:53] <oem> hallo
[02:55] <Walzmyn> TylerLE: depends on gorm.app but it is not installable
[02:55] <Walzmyn> TylerLE: i prefer synaptic because it gives better error messages and is easier to search.
[02:56] <wunderlich> ^
[02:59] <Walzmyn> TylerLE: did that help you?
[03:06] <TylerLE> Walzmyn: sorry forgot about this window. How do I install gorm if it's not available? furthermore why is there a package in the repo that depends on something else also not in the repo?
[03:06] <Walzmyn> TylerLE: to the first one, I've no idea. Google it up and see if you can get it from somewhere else
[03:07] <Walzmyn> TylerLE: as to broken repos - the maintainers are human just like the rest of us. This got missed. File a bug on launchpad and the maintainer will try to fix it
[03:07] <TylerLE> Walzmyn: gotcha. I just sort of figure this was automated. Thanks for the tip
[03:08] <Walzmyn> TylerLE: well, alot is automated, but stuff happens
[03:08] <Walzmyn> TylerLE: and it could be that the missing one was in the repo and something was flawed in it and it had to be pulled, wait two days and it may all be fixed.
[03:09] <Walzmyn> <-- is going to bed
[03:31] <AnnaZ> ehrm do i have to uninstall global flash player (/usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so) so that local one ($HOME/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so) gets picked up correctly?
[03:32] <AnnaZ> the local is newer; i can see both on about:plugins.
[03:32] <AnnaZ> yet i don't see performance enhancements of newer version and when i go check version from within plugin and adobe page, it is apparently still older version in use.
[03:36] <iconmefisto> I just got a new GPS navigator, trying to connect it to kubuntu. when plugged in via USB, I see usb 1-3: PocketPC PDA converter now attached to ttyUSB0. how can I see its filesystem? nothing shows in devicemanager or dolphin "places"
[03:55] <K350> how do one stop or restart x in kubuntu 10.04?
[04:09] <AnnaZ> ctrl alt backspace
[04:18] <bet0x> Hello, i just upgraded my KUbuntu to the latest one, now i have no X what can be?
[04:18] <bet0x> im using Nvidia driver
[04:35] <darkdelusions> Did they change something i am not aware of does -o no longer mean OR in bash?
[04:37] <tsimpson> in what context?
[04:37] <darkdelusions> tsimpson: a simple if statement
[04:38] <darkdelusions> tsimpson:  if [ $umc == "y" -o "yes" ]; then
[04:38] <tsimpson> it's not a case statement, -o separates the tests
[04:38] <tsimpson>  if [ $umc == "y" -o $umc == "yes" ]; then
[04:39] <darkdelusions> ahh ok
[04:39] <darkdelusions> thanks it been a while since i have played with bash
[04:39] <tsimpson> is's basically short for if [ ... ] || [ ... ]
[04:39] <tsimpson> *it's
[04:39] <darkdelusions> I understand now you :)
[04:40] <darkdelusions> explained it to me
[04:41] <darkdelusions> that would explain why my other scripts work that i wrote a long time ago because it was incased in a case statement
[04:41] <darkdelusions> I am still very much a novice at bash it was taught to me about 2.5 years ago and I have touched it since
[04:42] <tsimpson> it never surprises me how many different ways there are to do the exact same thing
[04:42] <tsimpson> :)
[04:43] <darkdelusions> ya
[04:45] <darkdelusions> the guy who taugh me how to write bash always made me write in error correction or confrimation there for it a habbit
[04:45] <tsimpson> it's generally a good habit to have
[04:45] <darkdelusions> so a script that should have take me 5 minutes to write talke a couple of hours :)
[04:45] <darkdelusions> err takes
[04:46] <darkdelusions> All i wanted was a quick script to mount an ISO image :) but it turned into much more :)
[04:46] <tsimpson> doesn't it always :p
[04:46] <darkdelusions> now it just to see if if something is mounted on /media/fakecd
[04:46] <darkdelusions> wow
[04:47] <darkdelusions> now it checks even
[04:47] <darkdelusions> and ask you if you want to unmount it
[04:47] <darkdelusions> yes I am that bored :)
[04:47] <tsimpson> last time I tried writing a simple script to mount an ISO, I ended up using DBus and HAL
[04:47] <tsimpson> that was less than fun
[04:48] <tsimpson> not sure why I used HAL (to mount a file), but I remember using it
[04:48] <darkdelusions> tsimpson:  it took me a while to figure out how to check if the iso something was mount...
[04:48] <darkdelusions> thanks to the power of the tubes I finally figured it out
[04:51] <darkdelusions> and this is why i am crazy... if [ $umc == "y" -o $umc == "yes" -o $umc == "Yes" -o $umc == "Y" ]; then
[04:52] <iconmefisto> I just got a new GPS navigator, trying to connect it to kubuntu. when plugged in via USB, I see usb 1-3: PocketPC PDA converter now attached to ttyUSB0. how can I see its filesystem? nothing shows in devicemanager or dolphin "places"
[04:53] <zus> how do i remove a package? via cli? (i for got the command)
[04:53] <iconmefisto> zus: sudo apt-get remove <package>
[04:53] <DarthFrog> sudo apt-get remove <package>
[04:53] <darkdelusions> zus: apt-get remove
[04:53] <darkdelusions> what darth said
[04:54] <DarthFrog> and iconmefisto :-)
[04:54] <DarthFrog> We have a chorus, singing harmony.
[04:54] <zus> thanks - what was the purge then?
[04:54] <DarthFrog> Purge cleans out the config files as well.
[04:55] <zus> ok i tried to install chromium, instead i get an arcade game?!
[04:55] <ForgeAus> with wubi how do I find out how much diskspace I'm using/have free ??
[04:55] <ForgeAus> it doesn't show up in partition manager as a partition and kdiskfree/kuikdisk doesn't tell me either!
[04:55] <darkdelusions> ForgeAus:  I use the command line and use df -h
[04:55] <DarthFrog> zus:  you actually wanted to install chromium-browser.
[04:55] <iconmefisto> zus: chromium-browser
[04:56] <ForgeAus> I think I need ext4 VOLUME info rather than disk/parition info...  ??? possibly anyway
[04:56] <zus> yea -
[04:56] <zus> guess i forgot to add the -browser part
[04:56] <DarthFrog> chromium browser always segfaults on me.
[04:56] <ForgeAus> ahh thx :) used 3.5 of 15 gig
[04:56] <darkdelusions> it funny i instaled ff out of habbit but i use chrome almost exclusivly now
[04:56] <DarthFrog> I've never been able to get it to run.
[04:57] <tsimpson> darkdelusions: you can use tr to make text lower-case, echo $umc | tr [A-Z] [a-z]
[04:57] <tsimpson> just in case someone enters "YEs" ;)
[04:57] <ForgeAus> gives host system too that way! awesome
[04:57] <zus> i need FF cause i've a extention that lets me view my book marks offline its called read it later
[04:58] <ForgeAus> I love that ubuntu works from a loop-mounted filesystem :)
[04:58] <zus> but i use chromium just as much,...
[04:58] <darkdelusions> tsimpson: can i use that instead of all the $umc == and just have 1 $umc ==
[04:58] <zus> now how do i delete the items form my menu? the arcade game chromium?
[04:59] <darkdelusions> zus: right click on the kmenu and choose menu editor
[04:59] <AnnaZ> if i may repeat the question i've been having:...
[04:59] <AnnaZ> [04:31] <AnnaZ> ehrm do i have to uninstall global flash player (/usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so) so that local one ($HOME/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so) gets picked up correctly?
[04:59] <AnnaZ> [04:32] <AnnaZ> the local is newer; i can see both on about:plugins.
[04:59] <AnnaZ> [04:32] <AnnaZ> yet i don't see performance enhancements of newer version and when i go check version from within plugin and adobe page, it is apparently still older version in use.
[04:59] <FloodBotK1> AnnaZ: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:00] <darkdelusions> floodbot say no :)
[05:00] <tsimpson> darkdelusions: it's a little more difficult to chop off characters, but you can at least reduce it to: if [ $umc == "y" -o $umc == "yes" ]; then
[05:00] <AnnaZ> well then youll have to scroll up dudes and dudettes -.-
[05:01] <tsimpson> AnnaZ: have you tried disabling the plugin from Tools -> Add-ons -> Plugns ?
[05:01] <tsimpson> the global one that is
[05:02] <darkdelusions> tsimpson: humm gonna have to look up the syntax for tr
[05:02] <AnnaZ> tsimpson: wasn't aware, thx
[05:03] <tsimpson> it has lots of uses, but I generally use it as a quick to-lower/to-upper tool
[05:03] <AnnaZ> tsimpson: it only lists the local/new one there.
[05:03] <AnnaZ> tsimpson: but i can still see old/global one used in youtube.
[05:04] <tsimpson> silly question maybe, but did you restart FF after installing the newer plugin?
[05:05] <darkdelusions> tsimpson: so basically the way you have | tr is automagicly lower cases everything?
[05:06] <darkdelusions> if i understand that right
[05:06] <tsimpson> yeah, so echo "HELLO WORLD" | tr [A-Z] [a-z]
[05:06] <tsimpson> gives "hello world"
[05:14] <|sysop|> hi
[05:15] <|sysop|> how do I upgrade to 10.4 on the command line?
[05:15] <|sysop|> is there an howto?
[05:16] <DarthFrog> |sysop|: "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[05:16] <|sysop|> I get command not found
[05:17] <DarthFrog> What version are you upgrading from?
[05:17] <|sysop|> never mind
[05:18] <|sysop|> when I did it in a root shell it said command not found but when I did it with sudo it worked go figure
[05:18] <zus> how do i install kde 4.4.3? can some one walk me through it?
[05:19] <|sysop|> ok I get this.
[05:19] <|sysop|> W:Failed to fetch
[05:19] <|sysop|> http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/lucid/Release Unable to
[05:19] <|sysop|> find expected entry partner/binary-powerpc/Packages in Meta-index
[05:19] <|sysop|> file (malformed Release file?)
[05:19] <FloodBotK1> |sysop|: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:19] <|sysop|> sorry about the flood
[05:21] <zus> the other day (lucid release) some one linked me the cli to install KDE4.4.3 i think ir was a ppa.
[05:21] <zus> ir=it sorry
[05:22] <DarthFrog> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.4.3
[05:23] <tsimpson> |sysop|: you need to remove the partner repo from your sources
[05:30] <zus> DarthFrog,  thanks, is that all i add? to the kpackagekit ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa?
[05:30] <DarthFrog> Yes.
[05:32] <zus> thanks just making sure i dont botch nothing
[05:36] <zus> DarthFrog,  still cant find it in the kpackagekit kde 4.4.3,
[05:36] <zus> !kubuntu-restricted extras | zus
[05:37] <zus> meh!
[05:38] <DarthFrog> zus: Add the repo, do cache refresh and then select updates.
[05:38] <darkdelusions> then do the hokey pokey and turn you self about!
[05:39] <DarthFrog> That part is optional.  Advised but optional. :-)
[05:39] <ForgeAus> wow myblueheaven colourscheme still exists! :) ... (I made it)
[05:40] <zus> how about the restricted extras  as well whats that nifty thing people do when people ask about them?
[05:41] <ForgeAus> too old to be in the "get new colour schemes" list by default tho
[05:41] <zus> darkdelusions,  in my town the hockey pokey is illegal to do in public on sunday
[05:42] <zus> !restricted extras | zus
[05:42] <zus> not that either,...
[05:42] <tsimpson> !restricted
[05:43] <zus> tsimpson,  thanks...
[05:45] <zus> ok ive been running in to this problem for some time now- "click here to install..." "This link needs to be opened with an application, send to: ( choose an aplication) what do i do here.
[05:47] <zus> what aplication do i choose when down loading  stuff from ubuntu'kubuntu websites. on default?
[05:47] <darkdelusions> zus:  FF does not know how to handle apt:
[05:47] <Saintly> heyy al
[05:47] <Saintly> all
[05:47] <darkdelusions> if you where in gnome it would open up synaptic (or whatever its called now)
[05:48] <Saintly> quickie, then ill get back into supporting you lovely ppl, has anyone managed to get a webcam working with Kubuntu 10.04?
[05:48] <darkdelusions> but since FF mostly a gnome app it doesnt know how to handle the apt://  if you want it to work correctly you would have use KDE browser
[05:48] <zus> darkdelusions,  guess that explains it - i've had this pop open since i've moved to kubuntu...what do i do then? what is the aplication to install the link?
[05:49] <zus> konquror
[05:49] <darkdelusions> zus:  well you can go into kpackagekit
[05:49] <darkdelusions> and search for it
[05:49] <zus> just when i thought i had a good idea of know what im doing
[05:49] <tsimpson> zus: you want it to open with /usr/bin/apturl-kde
[05:49] <darkdelusions> Saintly: the webcam on my monitor works fine
[05:50] <darkdelusions> errr laptop
[05:50] <Saintly> darkdelusions: did it work like that from install?
[05:50] <darkdelusions> Saintly:  ya
[05:50] <tsimpson> which should be pre-installed I think
[05:50] <Saintly> ahh.
[05:50] <darkdelusions> Saintly: i just installed cheese and went from there
[05:51] <Saintly> darkdelusions: and have you any idea how to check to see if the webcam driver works?
[05:51] <zus> thanks darkdelusions  and tsimpson  i got 10 minutes yet on the kde4.4.3 -  brb
[05:51] <darkdelusions> Saintly: install cheese or some other webcam app or just use kopete
[05:51] <Saintly> what about Kamera?
[05:52] <darkdelusions> Saintly: i never tired it tbh
[05:53] <Saintly> darkdelusions: off to the installation of cheese then. be back soon with the verdict mate
[05:53] <darkdelusions> Saintly:  you dont really have to if you have kopete installed
[05:54] <darkdelusions> just open KOPete setting and click on video
[05:56] <Saintly> darkdelusions: my webcam light is on, but no picture..
[05:57] <Saintly> oops lol
[05:57] <darkdelusions> ...
[05:58] <Saintly> alright, what now?
[05:58] <Saintly> still no picture
[05:58] <darkdelusions> what kinda webcam?
[05:58] <Saintly> hmm good question lol
[06:00] <Saintly> let me find out.
[06:06] <Saintly> darkdelusions: just sez "Integrated 1.3M Pixel Webcam"
[06:13] <ForgeAus> is Kdevelop going to be backported to lucid repos?
[06:13] <Saintly> my webcam wont work with skype either.
[06:14] <ForgeAus> !info kdevelop
[06:15] <ForgeAus> !kdevelop
[06:15] <DarthFrog> kdevelop is in lucid-backports.
[06:15] <DarthFrog> !backports
[06:15] <ForgeAus> IC
[06:16] <darkdelusions> Saintly: with out a name I have no idea :)
[06:16] <Saintly> darkdelusions: i have a dell mini insprion 1010. good luck finding it, i already tried.
[06:26] <darkdelusions> Saintly: according to things I have found it supported out of the box
[06:27] <Saintly> lol like i said the light clicks on, but uh. no pic mate.
[07:00] <vadi01>  just wanted to ask. the fonts in kubuntu. there are not very sharp as in fedora kde/ubuntu. have you noticed? can u do anything to make them clearer?
[07:00] <vadi01> am on ubuntu but i want my kde back
[07:00] <vadi01> :(
[07:01] <vadi01> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1257994.html
[07:03] <fusion44> has anybody else problems with the mouse wheel? Since yesterday my mouse wheel doesn't work anymore
[07:05] <fusion44> ok i have pluged the mouse in again and it seems to work
[07:06] <zus> alright now that that is situated,...
[07:13] <zus> after i run 'sudo apt-get upgrade' in terminal i get :
[07:13] <zus> W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/Release  Unable to find expected entry  deb-src/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[07:14] <zus> also ive noticed that after refreshing the kpackagekit i get an error and to report a bug, http://pastebin.com/PpZedZmN
[07:15] <jerstew> zus- you getting any help?
[07:15] <tswr> hello everyone! after upgrade to lucid from karmic i started to experience unpredictable problems with graphics :( i have mobility radeon x1700. Everything works fine till some unpredictable moment, when screen starts to jump and goes crazy. After reboot things become ok for some time and the again... No such problems in win XP
[07:15] <zus> jerstew,  not yet
[07:16] <tswr> any suggestions? :)
[07:16] <jerstew> did you run apt-get update first,
[07:16] <zus> jerstew,  i did thats when i get the first problem
[07:17] <jerstew> zus. fresh install?
[07:17] <zus> jerstew,  real fresh install
[07:18] <zus> jerstew,  well after the repository and all
[07:19] <zus> jerstew,  just before i was going to add my programs i like and use i wanted to update and i used kpackagekit and got the error (i paste bin ^)
[07:19] <jerstew> zus. Have you tried disabling repositories? You may want to do that and update/upgrade. Then re-enable your extra repos.
[07:19] <jerstew> zus. let me look at the pastebin real quick
[07:22] <zus> jerstew,  i thought about redoing the install since its so fresh.  but incase i found something that needs to be looked into i might as well look for help
[07:22] <jerstew> zus. Don't really have a clue on that. KPackageKit is horrible in my experience.
[07:22] <zus> jerstew,  hmm
[07:22] <jerstew> also I'd make sure to do a checksum on the kubuntu.iso you downloaded.
[07:24] <zus> i think ill reinstall....the iso should be fine...it was working till i mucked around on the partitions earlier
[07:25] <jerstew> zus. sorry, no expert here, wish I could help more.
[07:25] <zus> i've got ubuntu 9.10 on a hdd and i wanted to remove the swap,/ . but i ruined the wrong ones
[07:26] <jerstew> zus. Good luck.
[07:26] <zus> jerstew,  thanks . bbl .
[07:30] <jerstew> tswr. Sounds like your resolution/refresh rate are set to something incompatible with your monitor/gfxcard. Had the same type of problem trying to run an old monitor at to high of res. It would take it for a while then things would  go crazy.
[07:31] <tswr> jerstew, interesting...
[07:32] <tswr> jerstew, well... the resolution and refresh rate look the same as they always were
[07:33] <jerstew> tswr. Grasping at straws.
[07:33] <tswr> oh... now it took about 20 minutes to become unstable... will take a video... don't know how to explain the effect
[07:34] <jerstew> Anybody here using GNUnet??
[07:54] <kr3w> is somebody able to tell me if quassel can do multi server connections?
[08:08] <ForgeAus> yes
[08:09] <ForgeAus> quassel does multi-server
[08:09] <ForgeAus> you simply add a server or probably type the command /server <servername> just incase you might want to try /connect <servername> first... (in case hte /server command switches rather than adds another)
[08:11] <ForgeAus> ok well that didn't work for me when i tried it, next option is to go into the file menu, networks - configure networks and add button in the servers tab
[08:12] <ForgeAus> seems a long way around tho
[08:22] <vadi01>  just wanted to ask. the fonts in kubuntu. there are not very sharp as in fedora kde/ubuntu. have you noticed? can u do anything to make them clearer?
[08:23] <chakie> the killed mouse is pissing me off seriously
[08:24] <chakie> i have to "kill -TERM -1" every hour or so just to be able to log out and restart everything
[08:24] <chakie> makes serious work more or less impossible. or any work for that matter
[08:24] <chakie> it was apparently a known bug in qt, anyone have a bug link?
[08:25] <Hazamonzo> chakie: Sounds pretty harsh :(
[08:25] <tswr> here is the video for my graphics problem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t356nDTGdE
[08:26] <chakie> Hazamonzo: in what way? what would you have me do when the mouse presses are not recognized?
[08:26] <Hazamonzo> chakie: Oh no im saying that must be a harsh thing to do (restart every hour or so)
[08:27] <chakie> Hazamonzo: well, i'm used to reboot when there's a power outage or we move houses...
[08:27] <chakie> Hazamonzo: but now linux is by far the most unstable of all our OS:es here at home
[08:28] <Hazamonzo> :(
[08:28] <zus> !restricted | zus
[08:29] <chakie> this looks quite similar: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/571534
[08:30] <florianr> Hello!
[08:30] <florianr> I have Problems with kubuntu 10.04 freezing ...
[08:31] <florianr> I can't identify a special Aplication or hardware causing the freeze
[08:38] <chakie> but someone (Mamarok?) said this was a qt bug, but i haven't been able to find anything in launchpad that says so
[08:49] <Mamarok> chakie: because Qt bugs are not tracke in Launchpad, but by Nokia
[08:50] <Hazamonzo> Mamarok: \o/
[08:50] <Mamarok> chakie: just to make sure: the mouse pointer disapears, but you can still use the mouse, no?
[08:50] <Mamarok> if the mouse doesn't work anymore, then it's not that bug
[08:50] <Mamarok> then it is likely a graphic driver problem
[08:53] <Reign1> guys, i checkboxed canonical and ppa repositories, what am i missing, as im on 4:4.3 but am missing some paths, eg: /usr/include/plasmaclock
[08:54] <Mamarok> missing paths? did you try updating your system?
[08:54] <Reign1> yes
[08:54] <Mamarok> well, maybe you are missing packages, do you want a full kde? then install the kde-full metapackage
[08:57] <Reign1> does anyone got adjustable clock widget set ?
[08:58] <Mamarok> Reign1: yes, but that is a package, are you sure it is installed?
[08:59] <Mamarok> make sure you have the package plasma-widget-adjustableclock
[08:59] <Reign1> yes, but it has known bug
[09:00] <Reign1> as it crashes all the time if you try to change any setting
[09:00] <Reign1> whole panel reloads
[09:00]  * Mamarok tries
[09:00] <Reign1> so i try to install it manualy, and seems that am missing /usr/include/plasmaclock, tho ppl using 4:4.3 said they succeed
[09:01] <Mamarok> oops, that's a nasty one, crashes plasma here. Don't use it
[09:01] <Reign1> yep
[09:02] <Reign1> but it works perfectly when installing it manually
[09:02] <Mamarok> I probably still have the old settings from before, that's why I wasn't aware of that
[09:02] <Twey> >.>
[09:02] <Twey> Plasma crashes if I try to expand grouped windows in the task-bar.
[09:02] <Mamarok> Reign1: make a bug report, please: https://bugs.kde.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=plasma
[09:03] <Twey> It's hardly the clock's fault :þ
[09:03] <Mamarok> Twey: well, it's a plasma bug, triggered by the widget
[09:03] <Reign1> Mamarok: its already reported quite some times
[09:03] <Twey> Aye
[09:03] <Mamarok> quite some times? there should be only one report, not several
[09:04] <Reign1> dunno, maybe in some several places
[09:04] <Mamarok> well, the only placwe it should be reported is the link above
[09:04] <Mamarok> place*
[09:04] <Mamarok> and distribution reports should point to it
[09:05] <Reign1> "bug adjustable clock' lists quite some links on this one
[09:05] <Reign1> i mean google
[09:06] <Mamarok> well, there should be only one upstream report, and reports in distributions should point to it, everything else is badly triaged
[09:06]  * Mamarok shighs at plasma bugs
[09:06] <Mamarok> sigh*
[09:10] <Anubis> from where can i changed the size and the fonts for date&time ?
[09:11] <Mamarok> Anubis: in the widget, right click on it
[09:11] <Mamarok> but not all clock widgets allow changing fonts
[09:12] <Anubis> mamarok: i see
[09:15] <chakie> Mamarok: no, the mouse does not disappear, it's still visible
[09:15] <Mamarok> chakie: you talked about the mous disappearing yesterday...
[09:15] <chakie> Mamarok: the buttons just don't work, only randomly
[09:16] <Mamarok> well, that is not the bug I meant, then, sounds like an X problem
[09:16] <chakie> Mamarok: not disappearing. stopped working
[09:16] <Mamarok> did you check the connections? USB I guess?
[09:16] <chakie> yes
[09:16] <chakie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/571534
[09:17] <chakie> nothing changed physically apart from a dist-upgrade
[09:18] <Mamarok> try plugin it in and out several times, could be a known udev bug, USB hubs and devices being disconnected out of the blue
[09:18] <Mamarok> if the plugin in and out helps, then it's an udev bug
[09:18] <chakie> i'll try when it happens next time
[09:19] <chakie> but the thing seems to affect KDE apps more then others
[09:19] <Mamarok> because you use more KDE apps than others?
[09:19] <chakie> others==firefox in this case. it works almost ok apart from the right button not working
[09:19] <chakie> yes
[09:19] <Mamarok> then don't blame KDE, unless you can prove that
[09:19] <chakie> i don't
[09:20] <chakie> or do i?
[09:20] <Mamarok> read again what you wrote above...
[09:20] <chakie> "affect kde more" is not blaming, it's stating facts
[09:20] <Mamarok> because you use more KDE apps than others, so it's irrelevant
[09:20] <chakie> no, the mouse works worse in kde apps
[09:21] <Mamarok> riight, any prove for that?
[09:21] <chakie> um, what?
[09:21] <chakie> i'm talking about this bug
[09:21] <chakie> not in general
[09:21] <Mamarok> well, you talk about an impression you have, prove it, else the affirmation is not valid
[09:21] <chakie> when the bug happens, kde apps suffer more than, say, firefox
[09:22] <arthur> you don't need firefox with KDE anyway...
[09:22] <Mamarok> *sigh*
[09:22] <chakie> ok, in konqueror i can do no interaction with the mouse
[09:22] <arthur> you can get rekonq or konqueror instead..
[09:22] <chakie> nothing at all, no tabs, no selection, no clicks, nothing works
[09:22] <arthur> (note:konqueror comes with kubuntu even
[09:22] <chakie> ff works almost ok, apart from no right mouse button
[09:22] <Mamarok> konqueror works fine here, are you sure your installation is correct?
[09:23] <ForgeAus> rightclick in firefox works for me here with Kubuntu lucid
[09:23] <Mamarok> and you are sure it's not your mouse having a problem?
[09:23] <chakie> i'm not talking about a normal case!
[09:23] <ForgeAus> it could be some configuration fault chakie?
[09:23] <chakie> right now evertything works perfectly in all apps
[09:23] <Mamarok> wrong mouse configuration for example, can also happen
[09:23] <chakie> in an hour, the mouse will die a bit
[09:23] <chakie> *then* my scenario appears
[09:24] <Mamarok> which could be the udev bug I mentioned, no relation whatsoever with KDE
[09:24] <chakie> of course
[09:24] <Mamarok> udev is underlying, so it's totally independent of KDE
[09:24] <chakie> and i never said so
[09:24]  * Mamarok gives up...
[09:25] <chakie> but it is a bit strange that when the bug happens, the mouse works worse in qt4 based apps
[09:25] <Mamarok> which is your personal impression, not backed by hard facts
[09:25] <chakie> what facts do you want?
[09:25] <chakie> you don't have the bug, i have it
[09:25] <chakie> and i can click around and see what works and what not
[09:25] <Mamarok> a prove that it works in firefox and not in KDE apps, then you might have a point, else it's jsut an impression
[09:26] <chakie> give an example of something that would prove it?
[09:26] <chakie> you do seriously think i'm a troll or blaming kde for something that does not exist?
[09:27] <Mamarok> chakie: no, not at all, I just don't like people maiking affirmations based on subjective impressions without a prove
[09:27] <chakie> ok, it happened 2 hours ago or so
[09:27] <ForgeAus> aww rekonq doesn't do kioslaves yet?
[09:27] <Mamarok> try the plug in/out several times next time first
[09:27] <chakie> yes, i will when it happens, and with some luck that fixes it
[09:28] <Mamarok> which then is a knownb udev bug, without the slightest relationship with the desktop in use
[09:28] <chakie> but still, if the low level mouse driver died somehow, it should affect all apps equally
[09:28] <Mamarok> ... evidence first, then we can discuss that further
[09:29] <chakie> what kind of evidence?
[09:29] <chakie> it's not like i even can start a sreen recording app...
[09:29] <Mamarok> you can, no need for the mouse for that, Alt+F2, then type the app name
[09:30] <chakie> nope, does not work
[09:30] <chakie> krunner is mostly dead too
[09:30] <chakie> it doesn't seem to react to <enter>
[09:30] <Mamarok> then something is really fishy with your installation
[09:30] <chakie> right now krunner works fine
[09:31] <chakie> apart from that it freezes while something times out
[09:31] <chakie> to me, all proof i need is that i can interact with ff and not with kwin, konq or konvi for instance
[09:32] <chakie> plasma is also totally dead, does not react to any mouse interaction
[09:32] <Mamarok> start the screencast before it happens?
[09:32] <Mamarok> you seem to have a broken system, seriously, what you describe is almost impossible, not with a recent KDE SC 4.4.2 or later
[09:33] <chakie> well, it worked fine until i updated to lucid
[09:33] <Mamarok> chakie: and you have a full KDE installed?
[09:33] <chakie> yes, at least i know nothing that's missing
[09:34] <chakie> as we speak the whole desktop works as fine as it should
[09:34] <Mamarok> do you have nepomuk running? That can slow down the system sometimes and make it unresponsive, so disabling Nepomuk would be my first suggestion
[09:34] <chakie> kmail needs that...
[09:34] <chakie> and the akonadi stuff
[09:34] <Mamarok> nope
[09:35] <Mamarok> kmail as of KDE SC 4.4.3 doesn't need either
[09:35] <Mamarok> and certainly not nepomuk
[09:35] <chakie> well, at least when i start kmail for the first time after a login, it complains about aknonadi and nepomuk
[09:35] <Mamarok> akonadi maybe, but akonadi works fine here
[09:35] <chakie> and then exits
[09:35] <chakie> restarting again makes it work, it probably started something with its dbus call
[09:36] <Mamarok> it shouldn't complain at all, just tell you that akonadi is not running, right now I have no running desktop search, Nepomuk disabled, akonadi is up and Kontact runs since several days
[09:36] <skramer_> hi, I have a problem with Kontact & Akonadi with Akonadi saying it can't find agents / resources
[09:36] <chakie> but this is not just unresponsiveness, it's an almost total lack of mouse
[09:36] <chakie> skramer_: join the club
[09:37] <Mamarok> skramer_: please check http://userbase.kde.org for how to set up Akonadi
[09:37] <chakie> akonadi to me is a problem looking for a problem to solve
[09:37] <chakie> Mamarok: the docs there don't work for lucid
[09:37] <skramer_> Mamarok: actually, I set up like that when I was on Karmic & never got any problem
[09:37] <Mamarok> chakie: now you seriously start to sound like a troll...
[09:38] <chakie> Mamarok: i followed the docs here http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi_4.4/Troubleshooting
[09:38] <Mamarok> skramer_: I have no problem with Akonadi on Lucid at all, and the userbase docs are totally valid
[09:38] <chakie> specifically http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi_4.4/Troubleshooting#Kubuntu_10.4_Upgrade
[09:38] <chakie> and that does *not* work
[09:39] <chakie> the database setup is bad
[09:39] <chakie> mysql_install_db fails
[09:39] <Mamarok> it does, since it works perfectly fine for me. I suggest you check that your installation is indeed not missing vital parts, your system sounds quite broken
[09:39] <chakie> well, something is broken
[09:39] <Mamarok> and you are sure you have the mysql packages installed, all the needed ones?
[09:39] <chakie> that's what i'm trying to find out
[09:39] <chakie> yes
[09:40] <Mamarok> chakie: install kde-full, then we can talk again
[09:40] <Mamarok> if that brings in more than 10 packages, your installations is not complete
[09:41] <chakie> it brings in 69 packages
[09:41] <chakie> games and toys mostly
[09:41] <chakie> but lets see
[09:41] <Mamarok> no libmysql packages in there?
[09:41] <skramer_> Mamarok: where do I find the previous Akonadi cache which should be removed?
[09:42] <chakie> Mamarok: no, and i use mysql myself daily in my develoment
[09:42] <Mamarok> skramer_: likely in $HOME/.kde/share/config/
[09:44] <chakie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/432640/
[09:44] <chakie> what happens when i follow the docs
[09:46] <Mamarok> chakie: well, did you follow the steps at the bottom to see where the problem is?
[09:47] <Mamarok> and of course, check the permissions...
[09:47] <chakie> Mamarok: yes, not the same issues
[09:47] <chakie> my user owns all the files and dirs
[09:48] <chakie> as i deleted the whole dir first. as per the docs
[09:48] <Mamarok> well, it can't create some tables, could well be a permission problem
[09:49] <chakie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/432646/
[09:49] <chakie> the dir where it tries to create files is ok
[09:49] <chakie> my guess is that mysql_install_db instructs a running server to create files, and the server runs as some other user
[09:50] <Mamarok> hm, you have a drwx------ on mysql/, that's no read or write access for the users
[09:50] <chakie> but that user is me
[09:51] <chakie> no other users should have access to it
[09:51] <Mamarok> what about the subfolders?
[09:51] <chakie> the dir /home/chakie/.local/share/akonadi/db_data/mysql/ is empty
[09:52] <chakie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/432648/
[09:52] <chakie> and no running mysqld
[09:54] <Mamarok> chakie: see here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/432650/
[09:54] <Mamarok> runs perfectly fine
[09:54] <chakie> Mamarok: i believe you
[09:55] <chakie> it must work for some people
[09:55] <chakie> but what the docs say doesn't work for a newly updated lucif
[09:55] <chakie> lucid
[09:56] <Mamarok> chakie: I *do* run Lucid, that doc works
[09:56] <chakie> and i also *do* and they don't :)
[09:56] <chakie> i can't prove it in any better way than the pastebins
[09:57] <chakie> but anyway, akonadi is a different problem, it doesn't stop me using my system. i canlive with that i have to restart kmail twice when i log in
[09:57] <Mamarok> chakie: did you try moving your old configurations out of the way?
[09:58] <Mamarok> sine you updated from Karmic, maybe moving $HOME/.kde/ is a good idea
[09:58] <Mamarok> since*
[09:58] <Mamarok> and only copy back what you really need, e.g. mails and stuff
[09:58] <StefanT> could it be an apparmor problem?
[09:58] <chakie> Mamarok: i've thought of that too
[09:58] <chakie> but not resorted to it
[09:59] <chakie> the ~/.kde dir is much older than that though, two years or so
[09:59] <Mamarok> StefanT: not unlikely, indeed
[10:00] <Mamarok> chakie: did you run this:  sudo aa-complain mysqld, then sudo /etc/init.d/apparmor reload ?
[10:01] <chakie> yup, that works!
[10:01] <chakie> Installing MySQL system tables...
[10:01] <chakie> OK
[10:01] <chakie> Filling help tables...
[10:01] <chakie> OK
[10:01] <FloodBotK1> chakie: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:01] <chakie> :)
[10:04] <chakie> those docs are quite lacking
[10:04] <chakie> when doing the next step: http://paste.ubuntu.com/432660/
[10:05] <chakie> "akonadictl start" fails if there's no mysql server running
[10:06] <chakie> it just crashes
[10:07] <StefanT> I would try if temporarily disabling apparmor helps (sudo service apparmor stop on Kubuntu)
[10:09] <chakie> ok, now my mouse died
[10:10] <Fleck> help, i can't find a place where i can disable/change monitor standby settings!
[10:11] <chakie> plugging it out and back in has no effect
[10:13] <Mamarok> chakie: several times?
[10:13] <chakie> yes
[10:13] <Mamarok> one sometimes has to try 5 times
[10:13] <chakie> i see from syslog that it is disconnected and reconnected
[10:13] <chakie> i'll try some more times
[10:14] <Mamarok> Fleck: System Settings -> Desktop -> Screen saver
[10:15] <Mamarok> is that what you are looking for?
[10:15] <Fleck> nope
[10:15] <Fleck> there is nothing checked
[10:15] <Fleck> i need to disable standby
[10:15] <Fleck> after 20min i guess or even 10min my monitor goes to standby when PC is idle
[10:16] <Mamarok> hm, what Monitor is that? You should be able to change that on the Monitor settings, no?
[10:16] <chakie> nope, 6-7 times more and the mouse still is deadish
[10:16] <Fleck> Mamarok no, OS settings...
[10:16] <Mamarok> chakie: OK, so you can exclude udev. Now what about the graphic driver?
[10:17] <Mamarok> Fleck: check the power saving settings in the system Settings -> Advanced tab
[10:17] <chakie> Mamarok: well, not much to do about that, it's the nvidia driver
[10:17] <Fleck> Mamarok did that, doesn't work!
[10:18] <Mamarok> Fleck: did you restart X after making these settings?
[10:18] <Fleck> even more - when i got there, standby was disabled :P but my monitor standsby anyway
[10:19] <chakie> not that i understand why the graphics driver would handle the mouse, that's x.org's task, not the low level graphics driver
[10:19] <Mamarok> Fleck: then I don't know, sorry
[10:19] <Mamarok> chakie: well, X needs the graphic driver for the GUI
[10:20] <Mamarok> I had keyboard and mouse problems with a fglrx driver some time back
[10:20] <chakie> Mamarok: yes, but the driver does not handle the mouse
[10:20] <Mamarok> switching to the radeon driver solved the issue
[10:20] <chakie> strange
[10:20] <chakie> but god knows with xorg...
[10:21] <skramer_> Mamarok: I followed the instructions, especially the Kubuntu 10.04 section, but still get "no agents / resources found"
[10:23] <Mamarok> skramer_: all the instructions, including the apparmor part?
[10:23] <chakie> Fleck: for kicks, try enabling the standby mode and then disabling it, just to get the gui tool to a "known state" in case it can't pick up the current state properly
[10:23] <Mamarok> which is above the Kubuntu Lucid section
[10:23] <Fleck> ok
[10:24] <chakie> akonadi is perhaps a tiny bit overcomplex
[10:24] <chakie> it's just some data
[10:29] <javatexan> what do you do if kpackagekit is forever waiting for service to start?
[10:33] <skramer_> Mamarok: ok, I did the apparmor part again, now the resource agent problem solved
[10:34] <skramer_> Mamarok: but I have lots of other problems instead
[10:34] <skramer_> Mamarok: wrong MySQL Server protocol, MySql not registered with DBus, etc.
[10:34] <javatexan> why is my network so flaky....what do you do if kpackagekit is waiting for a service to start....indefinitely
[10:37] <eagles0513875> !qt
[10:37] <eagles0513875> O_o
[10:37] <eagles0513875> !gui
[10:37] <eagles0513875> !info qt
[10:43] <Guest39832> hola
[10:50] <hax991> hola
[10:54] <skramer_> Mamarok: now, when I restart the Akonadi server, it always says akonadi server and akonadictl are not registered with DBus
[10:54] <skramer_> Mamarok: what can I do to solve this last issue?
[10:57] <skramer_> Mamarok: also, I can not restart Kontact... it only starts once, but when I close and want to restart nothing happens
[10:58] <n8w_> hey
[10:59] <n8w_> im lookin for an alternative to okular...ive found kpdf,but do i have to compile it from the src?
[10:59] <n8w_> i man okular is great,but missin tab support drives me crazy
[10:59] <gigasoft> mu ubuntu use to much ram, is there any solution?
[11:04] <Mamarok> gigasoft: start top in a console and check what application uses too much?
[11:05] <gigasoft> Mamarok, how to do that/
[11:05] <Mamarok> gigasoft: open konsole (the terminal), type top, and you will see the apps that use most CPU and RAM on top
[11:05] <gigasoft> ok
[11:05] <Mamarok> you can quit it again with q
[11:06] <Mamarok> also, define "too much", since Linux uses all the RAM that is available dynamically
[11:06] <gigasoft> Mamarok, thanks
[11:10] <Kubry> Gigasoft: if you press Ctrl+Esc you should see a "graphic" program to see those things.
[11:32] <kynarion> hi there
[11:36] <kynarion> can anyone confirm the following issue: sometimes after reboot (i suspect always after fsck) the touchpad doesn't work properly; all settings are lost and scrolling is disabled.
[11:42] <henkka-> hello
[11:42] <henkka-> could someone help me out with installing Wine for Kubuntu?
[11:43] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install wine
[11:43] <henkka-> oh ok :D
[11:45] <kynarion> another question: is it possible to install a more verbose start screen than those annoying moving dots? Perhaps that cool gentoo boot screen with many informative (and coloured^^) messages?
[11:46] <shadeslayer_> kynarion: yeah sure
[11:46] <SuNk8> err, just had a little question. Is Konqueror available in Kubuntu by default? I believe it is also a file manager...
[11:46] <shadeslayer_> kynarion: just do : sudoedit /etc/default/grub
[11:46] <shadeslayer_> SuNk8: yes it is
[11:47] <kynarion> shadeslayer_: ah thanks, but this will only remove the splash and won't give me more/coloured output?
[11:47] <henkka-> kk thanks
[11:49] <henkka-> ahh could someone help me out with Wine? =)
[11:49] <henkka-> I'd want to use Ventrilo and Synthesia under Kubuntu
[11:49] <flexus> Hi, I installed Kubunto via wubi.exe. How can I create another partition, e.g. for home?
[11:49] <bazhang> henkka-, check the appdb and ask for specific help in #winehq
[11:49] <bazhang> !appdb | henkka-
[11:50] <henkka-> !appdb
[11:50] <bazhang> shadeslayer_, you mean kdesu kate , right?
[11:50] <henkka-> what's appdb?
[11:50] <bazhang> ah the bot just rejoined, just a moment while it syncs
[11:50] <flexus> similar to the root partition that is stored as root.disk in /host/ubuntu/disks
[11:51] <SuNk8> shadeslayer_, Thanks a ton...
[11:53] <henkka-> ok thx
[12:28] <Reign> anyone got ideas how to install adjustableclock2.2 on kde sc 4:4.3?
[12:32] <yunus> #ubuntu
[12:32] <yunus> :)
[12:52] <Reign> can anyone help me with installation of adjustableclock2.2 on kde sc 4:4.3?
[12:55] <Reign> how to install packages with their devel files?
[13:06] <ToraToraTora> I got a problem with broken opengl. How can I reinstall it?
[13:14] <reagleBRKLN> In KDE3, if you dragged a URL/link to the konsole it would ask if you want to paste the link or "grab" the website. One could also drag a file/folder from konqueror into konsole and konsole would ask if you want to cd/cp/mv or ln to that location. Is this possible yet in KDE4? Is there some service menu add-on?
[13:21] <ToraToraTora> Glxinfo: http://pastebin.com/fbHhDSgN
[13:50] <zus> this is the 2nd time installing 10.4. i have used this guide ( http://kubuntuguide.org/Lucid ) under add repositories using the package manager. there are  3 line to add in to the edit software box.  i ran into trouble last time with one of the lines can some one  please help me
[13:52] <zus> the initial time i didnt have any issue, till  now.
[13:52] <ForgeAus> zus repos like universe, multiverse and backports?
[13:52] <zus> ForgeAus,  these lines deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid main restricted
[13:52] <zus> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid main restricted
[13:53] <ForgeAus> yes, whats wrong with them, looks right to me
[13:53] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: oh btw plasma-widget-networkmanagement doesnt seem to work with wicd as the backend
[13:53] <ForgeAus> you can ask kpackagekit to manage repositories ... that adds them for you
[13:54] <zus> the 2nd deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/lucid main restricted  line made it so i couldnt even update
[13:54] <zus> i had to reinstall since no one was on who knew what  made it happen
[13:55] <tsimpson> that would  be a reason not to edit your sources.list by hand
[13:55] <tsimpson> use KPackageKit or start "kdesudo software-properties-kde" and use that tool
[13:56] <ForgeAus> I agree tsimpson makes it easier but by hand should work
[13:56] <ForgeAus> trying to see if I can notice an error in the lines he posted, they don't look wrong
[14:00] <zus> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid main restricted
[14:00] <zus>  this line after putting it in the software sources in kpackagekit  didnt show up but i was succesfully loaded it said,
[14:00] <tsimpson> it's one of the default repositories anyway
[14:01] <ForgeAus> sometimes it doesn't load repos if its happy with its current list
[14:01] <zus> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid main restricted
[14:01] <zus>  this line a few hours ago held up the updates at 99% for a while then gave me an error and i should file a bug-report  as an error.
[14:02] <ForgeAus> zus, I doubt its a bug as such, but whta was the error you got?
[14:03] <zus> ForgeAus,  i tried looking for the pastebin, but of course cant find it. how can i get the last 4 hours of this channels chat?
[14:03] <ForgeAus> there probably is a way but I don't know it
[14:04] <ForgeAus> what happens if you try it now?
[14:04] <ForgeAus> (to update)
[14:04] <BluesKaj> howdy
[14:04] <ForgeAus> hey BluesKaj :)
[14:04] <BluesKaj> hi ForgeAus
[14:05] <zus> well this is a fresh install with all the repos except that specific one. im  updateing fine
[14:05] <tsimpson> !logs
[14:05] <ForgeAus> whats LoCo ?
[14:06] <tsimpson> Local Community
 W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/Release  Unable to find expected entry  deb-src/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[14:07] <tsimpson> that looks like the line was pasted in wrong to me
[14:08] <tsimpson> like it was deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu lucid deb-src
[14:08] <tsimpson> maybe a missing new-line
[14:08] <ForgeAus> no wonder it looked right :)
[14:09] <zus> that was from the terminal when updating,...tsimpson  so i just pasted it wrong the first time?
[14:09] <ForgeAus> not exactly pasted it wrong, you just didn't format it after pasting
[14:10] <tsimpson> possibly, or put 2 entries on one line by mistake
[14:10] <zus> that was at like 2amTO4am somewhere in the time frame
[14:10] <ForgeAus> yeah or a accidental delete of the newline on the end?
[14:10] <zus> so if i add the  2nd line correctly it should work
[14:10] <tsimpson> you shouldn't need to add those repositories anyway, it's one of the default ones
[14:11] <ForgeAus> zus if deb-src starts the next line then it SHOULD work...
[14:11] <tsimpson> unless you removed it of course
[14:11] <ForgeAus> if not you'll get an error again,, and we can look at whats wrong this time?
[14:12] <ForgeAus> tsimpson it doesn't matter, if they exist it pretty much ignores them
[14:12] <ForgeAus> alrady has that package info anyway....
[14:12] <zus> it wouldnt show up in the software updates with the rest of the ppa's would it?
[14:13] <ForgeAus> (I used the repo management dialog in kpackagekit (after I'd manually edited sources.list) and it readded sources I already had (since it probaby din't understand I already had them integrated on a single line)
[14:13] <ForgeAus> doesn't change much, it just parses an extra line or two that it pretty much skips over...
[14:13] <tsimpson> it would be the check-boxes on the first tab
[14:13] <ForgeAus> ppa
[14:14] <ForgeAus> is different, thats launchpad isn't it?
[14:18] <zus> all right, i guess it was end-user error.
[14:19] <zus> i seem to be ok now.
[14:20] <zus> (still wish i had a list like ubuntu software center, i dont know half these packages names)
[14:21] <zus> thanks everyone once again.
[14:25] <ForgeAus> you can get ubuntu software centre if you like it so much
[14:26] <zus> is there really a difference other than once displaying a list of whats available?
[14:27] <ForgeAus> I think both are based on packagekit somewhere along the line
[14:27] <ForgeAus> sounds like ubuntu software centre just organises what it presents to the user from those packages differently
[14:28] <zus> it just seems everything i type either nothing comes up or so many things at once  i dont know which is my target..
[14:28] <ForgeAus> theres a listbox beside the searchbox to naarrow some stuff down
[14:30] <sabineeller> is anybody around who can help with the Kubuntu netbook version?
[14:30] <ForgeAus> sabin its very similar to the normal one, whats your problem exactly?
[14:31] <sabineeller> I would like to have a windows and Kubuntu partition
[14:31] <sabineeller> windows can be handy for testing
[14:31] <sabineeller> I am right now at the "prepare partitions" part
[14:31] <ForgeAus> uh whatever but dualbooting should be fine
[14:31] <sabineeller> and cannot understnad what is what
[14:31] <zus> that will work thanks
[14:31] <ForgeAus> ok well firstly I recommend you install windows BEFORE kubuntu
[14:32] <sabineeller> Windows is already there
[14:32] <ForgeAus> (because kubuntu can add itself to windows, the reverse is not true, windows rudely ignores any other OS pre installed
[14:32] <ForgeAus> ok well then I'm not sure about ubiquity for Lucid (the installer of kubuntu) because I havn't used it specifically
[14:33] <sabineeller> the HD was divided in sda1,2,3,4 - probably 1 or 2 should be win
[14:33] <ForgeAus> (I used older ones based on qtparted) but now its partitionmanager or something in there...
[14:33] <sabineeller> indeed
[14:33] <ForgeAus> uh doesn't it show you what the filesystems are?
[14:33] <ForgeAus> NTFS or FAT32 will be windows
[14:33] <sabineeller> 1 = ntfs, 2 = ntfs, 3 = fat32, 4 nothing
[14:34] <ForgeAus> yup well 1 and 2 and 3 are all partitions visible from windows
[14:34] <sabineeller> sda1 says "used = unknown"
[14:34] <ForgeAus> thats odd...
[14:34] <sabineeller> while sda2 says 3221 Mb used
[14:35] <ForgeAus> but if its ntfs its windows-formatted
[14:35] <sabineeller> now I am not sure what to do - the #kubuntu-netbook channel is invitation only
[14:35] <sabineeller> so I cannot go there and ask
[14:36] <ForgeAus> its not about the netbook thing
[14:36] <sheytan> Hi there
[14:36] <ForgeAus> what are you planning to have after?
[14:36] <sheytan> where  can i download the new kubuntu font?
[14:36] <ForgeAus> sheytan?
[14:37] <sabineeller> ForgeAus: when I say "Forward" I get a message that says "No root file system is defined."
[14:37] <ForgeAus> sabin two reasons
[14:37] <sabineeller> I remember years ago when I installed Ubuntu for the first time - it did all by itself
[14:37] <sheytan> ForgeAus the new font that we can see on the new logo ;)
[14:37] <ForgeAus> 1 you havn't formatted an ext partition for linux (I recommend also creating a swap partition)
[14:37] <ForgeAus> second you haven't told it where its going to boot to... (has to be a non-swap linux partition)
[14:38] <ForgeAus> sheytan, no idea...
[14:39] <sabineeller> ForgeAus - eventually I should go back to windows and see if there is more than one partition - don't think so ... but I could be wrong - I actually did not check
[14:39] <sabineeller> so I interrupt here and will first have a look
[14:39] <ForgeAus> sabin one could be a recovery parition (might be hidden)
[14:40] <sabineeller> ok, but then I have to see this from the dimensions
[14:40] <ForgeAus> :) good luck :)
[14:40] <sabineeller> will check and then come back - at least I have more info
[14:40] <sabineeller> thanks ForgeAus ...
[14:44] <Filippok> Hi! I have some troubles after installing kubuntu 10.04. Can someone help me?
[14:45] <Filippok> I have no sound when playing video files
[14:45] <Filippok> but if I set up phonon as backend, it plays nice
[14:46] <Filippok> Problem is that only Dragon player plays through phonon
[14:46] <Filippok> and it can't render subtitles normally
[14:47] <Filippok> I want to use something like VLC
[14:47] <Filippok> but I can't set it up properly
[14:47] <ForgeAus> check things like volume in kmix
[14:47] <ForgeAus> to be honest I really dont kno how to help other than that
[14:51] <BluesKaj> Filippok, there's a very comprehensive tutorial at http://wiki.videolan.org/Documentation:Documentation
[14:56] <ForgeAus> BluesKaj: could it be an alsa or oss or pulseaudio thing?
[14:59] <hexdump_> Hey all!
[15:00] <Filippok> BluesKaj: As I understood, I need to build a pnonon backend for vlc. Don't I?
[15:00] <hexdump_> Just wanted to see if anybody has any experience with using tovid?  I've asked around in other channels, but I haven't found anyone who knows much about it.  Else they are busy I dunno.
[15:02] <hexdump_> I know I'm using the proper device, but seems tovid just keeps being a dickhead.
[15:03] <BluesKaj> Filippok, don't obsess about phonon, all the media players use it afaik ,...just make sure you have alsamixer ptoperly setup as ForgeAus suggests
[15:04] <Filippok> alsa is configured properly
[15:04] <Marco___> hi all
[15:04] <ForgeAus> Flippok? build one?... you have phonon and you have vlc I havn't yet heard of having to build something for those two...
[15:05] <Marco___> how can I ask if I have an issue with my hard disk?
[15:05] <Filippok> nope
[15:05] <ForgeAus> besides you said phonon worked (since Dragon player had sound right?
[15:05] <Filippok> just installed and configured
[15:05] <Filippok> Yep, phonon works
[15:05] <ForgeAus> its everything else (probably ALSA-based?) that doesn't have sound so its somewhere else you need to look
[15:06] <Filippok> and I need to get vlc to work with it
[15:06] <ForgeAus> it might help to do an lspci to check what sound hardware you have
[15:06] <ForgeAus> it might require a kernel module or something (thats kinda worst case scenario)
[15:07] <Filippok> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[15:07] <BluesKaj> Filippok, have you checked for pulseaudio, you may need it or you may not, depends on your hardware
[15:08] <Marco___> did anyone here had a problem with kubuntu installation not detecting the hard disk?
[15:08] <ForgeAus> ok Flippok if that doesn't work you might want to try googling that specific audio devile
[15:08] <ForgeAus> grr device
[15:08] <ForgeAus> Marco, I had a trouble with windows vista not detecting a flash disk, but no.. havn't heard of kubuntu install dropping hard drives
[15:08] <Marco___> well... 9.10 can't detect my hard drive...
[15:09] <ForgeAus> Marco check that the bios detects it (That would be my first port of call)
[15:09] <Marco___> bios can detect it
[15:09] <ForgeAus> ok do you have raid on it?
[15:09] <Marco___> no
[15:09] <Marco___> i tried to switch the sata port though... no luck
[15:10] <ForgeAus> good, well bad in the sense that I'm all out of ideas now... but good that it sounds like no reason it shouldn't work
[15:11] <Marco___> what is the program I should look for on live Kubuntu to get a list of my pc hardware?
[15:11] <Marco___> could it be an incompatibility with my hd or my mobo?
[15:23] <phoenix__> hello everyone
[15:23] <phoenix__> anyone using konqueror or rekonq
[15:26] <teurastaja> id like to know if a segmentation fault is always a buffer overflow and if not what it can be because i just got one and im curious but not knowlegeable enough
[15:26] <phoenix__> teurastaja: are you taking about ati drivers
[15:27] <teurastaja> nope kpackagekit
[15:28] <phoenix__> teurastaja: i got "segmentation fault" while using ati drivers
[15:29] <teurastaja> im more used to apt-*, synaptic, yum, software-centre (ubuntu), cvsup, csup, and various other operating system package/port/source/doc/etc managers
[15:30] <teurastaja> i know what a segmentation fault means but i dont know if it automaticaly means buffer overflow
[15:31] <teurastaja> i guess if it was a dynamic crash it would say "page fault"
[15:32] <teurastaja> but segmentation fault as far as i know is or at least can be a stack overflow
[15:33] <ForgeAus> can do either/or konq/rekonq here
[15:33] <ForgeAus> and you can still use apt-* in konqueror (its debian/ubuntu based)
[15:34] <ForgeAus> kpackagekit is just a gui wrapper to it .. I think
[15:34] <ForgeAus> (based on smart??)
[15:35] <ForgeAus> oops in kubuntuu not konqueror! brain-scramble uh?
[15:35] <teurastaja> all i know of smart is intelligence and a smart disks lol
[15:35] <ForgeAus> teurastaja, its a multi-format package manager
[15:35] <ForgeAus> ie, does rpm, apt, portage, etc etc...
[15:35] <ForgeAus> tou jus tell it the repo's and it handles much of the rest
[15:36] <teurastaja> i know what it is but its my first use after install+update+reboot
[15:36] <teurastaja> and i got a segmentation fault
[15:36] <ForgeAus> yes, well ouch, but I'm saying you don't have to use kpackagekit to install stuff
[15:37] <ForgeAus> what happens if you use apt? do you still get segmentation fault?
[15:37] <teurastaja> the debugging symbols backtrace with in __kernel_vsyscall ()
[15:37] <teurastaja> *starts with
[15:37] <ForgeAus> sorry that doesn't mean anything to me
[15:41] <teurastaja> i know i dont have to but i want to try debugging this on my own (curious). no, havent tried apt-get but i know it would work anyway since the symptoms were disappearance of the list of programs after using the search bar but my input couldntve caused this since it was short. must have been something deeper
[15:42] <ForgeAus> seems to make sense
[15:42] <teurastaja> maybe input from the check list conflicting with some other internal process
[15:43] <teurastaja> would you know where i can get info no how kpackagekit works without having to parse the source?
[15:43] <teurastaja> *on
[15:59] <Hazamonzo> damn my desktop has sucky performabnce with 10.04 :(
[16:00] <aperson> upgrade or fresh install?
[16:01] <Hazamonzo> aperson: Fresh install :s
[16:02] <aperson> :S indeed
[16:02] <Hazamonzo> aperson: Aye. It looks like its down to my ATI graphics card
[16:02] <aperson> oh.
[16:03] <Hazamonzo> I think just in case i might install 9.10 onto a spare HD and try that. See how it performs. Maybe wait a little before the upgrade to 10.04
[16:03] <aperson> that explains it then
[16:03] <aperson> ati hates linux
[16:03] <Hazamonzo> aperson: Don't think i would have much more luck with 9.10?
[16:04] <Hazamonzo> Used to run 9.10 with a Nvidia 8800 GT and that worked lovely :D
[16:04] <aperson> no idea, I use nvidia
[16:04] <aperson> all I know is ati is, and likely will always be crap in linux
[16:04] <aperson> IMHO
[16:05] <Hazamonzo> aperson: Fair point :)
[16:05] <aperson> in any case, darts off to #kubuntu-offtopic where this sort of discussion goes
[16:05] <aperson> bah, missed a /me in there
[16:06] <aperson> good luck in your endeavors
[16:11] <daniel___> Hi, I've just done a clean install with the latest kubuntu, and I seem to have hit a small snag. I made a copy of the Dolphin desktop entry called "Root Dophin", now the Folder View widget (which i keep next to my KMenu) keeps asking me for my root password now. I deleted the copied entry and restarted my session but it didn't seem to make a difference. Does anyone know what have I missed?
[16:12] <ForgeAus> daniel, thats odd I don't know
[16:12] <ForgeAus> maybe ask in #KDE ?
[16:13] <aperson> daniel___, the red icon in dolphin's sidebar?
[16:13] <aperson> I don't think the first thing to do right out is to recommend someone to another channel, ForgeAus
[16:14] <ForgeAus> apearson sure normally but nobody else (at the time I answered) had chipped in and I didn't know...
[16:14] <ForgeAus> so I was trying to direct him to the place where I believed he might get the help he needs, isn't that valid?
[16:15] <ryann> daniel___: is the problem persistent when you remove the file view widget?
[16:15] <aperson> as far as I know, he asked once and yours was the first reply
[16:15] <daniel> ryann: yeah it is
[16:15] <aperson> if he was here asking for half an hour, then I apologize, otherwise, I stand by my statement
[16:16] <ForgeAus> aperson: afaik thats correct
[16:16] <ryann> hm.. strange
[16:16] <ryann> maybe the indexing service is asking for it
[16:16] <daniel> it's not doing it with the Quick Access widget though if that helps
[16:16] <daniel> (huh, my nick changed. haven't got used to quassel yet)
[16:17] <ryann> but with the folder view widget disabled (closed), the system is still prompting you for a sudo password?
[16:17] <aperson> daniel, can we get a screenshot?  imgur.com works great
[16:17] <daniel> no, it's folder view in my panel, so i click on it and a menu pops down with my home dir contents, only one level
[16:17] <daniel> when i try to open my documents folder from it for example, it asks for my password
[16:18] <ryann> and it did not do this prior to your red root folder scenario?
[16:19] <ryann> i used to get problems with plasma when i was bleeding edge.. i would mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-old and restart kdm
[16:19] <ryann> let KDE setup again
[16:19] <daniel> no... i think. what red root folder? i'm aware i can access the root using the "red folder" but I wanted to be able to launch an instance of dolphin with root privs
[16:19] <cosmic303> hiya all. im having a problem with vlc in full screen mode. im getting an error message saying BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
[16:19] <aperson> daniel, edit launcher for dolphin
[16:20] <shop_linux> in 10.04 for some reason my usb devices only work at usb 1.0 speeds.. for example my ext hdd only transfers at 1.0mb/s any ideas?
[16:20] <daniel> aperson: dolphin doesn't ask me for my password if i just launch it with it's menu entry
[16:20] <daniel> aperson: only though the Folder View widget
[16:21] <aperson> daniel, do you have any custom folder view settings?  you could delete all of your .directory files
[16:22] <aperson> find ~ -name .directory -delete
[16:22] <cosmic303> im pretty sure my geforce 6200 is good enough for watchin fullscreen videos though..any ideas?
[16:23] <aperson> cosmic303, proper drivers installed, et all?
[16:24] <cosmic303> aperson: i guess so? i didn install any driver on my own. kubuntu did it itself
[16:24] <daniel> aperson: i'm not sure what you mean, why would my .directory files (of which i have none in my home dir) cause the Folder View widget to ask for root authorisation on behalf of dolphin?
[16:24] <cosmic303> currently using the nvidia module
[16:24] <shop_linux> i am going to have to convert my whole shop back to windows because of this issue i have been working on it for 2 weeks any input at all is appreciated
[16:25] <aperson> daniel, .desktop files determine the view settings for every folder, you likely have at least a few of them
[16:25] <aperson> daniel, if you don't have any custom directory settings, it's worth a shot to just delete them
[16:25] <daniel> well there isn't one in /home/daniel
[16:26] <aperson> daniel, fine ~ .name .desktop -delete
[16:26] <aperson> find*
[16:26] <daniel> aperson: done, if there were any, they're all gone now
[16:26] <aperson> yep
[16:28] <aperson> daniel, and no dice?
[16:28] <daniel> aperson: well it didn't ask for permission, but it wouldn't if it was already granted recently
[16:28] <daniel> not sure how to revoke it to make it ask again (if it wants it)
[16:29] <daniel> i guess i'll just log out and in again, brb
[16:30] <|sysop|> how can I fix Meta-index
[16:30] <|sysop|> file (malformed Release file?)
[16:30] <|sysop|> when I do a do-release-upgrade
[16:30] <aperson> cosmic303, can you confirm that you're using the (version current) drivers (in hardware drivers)
[16:31] <ForgeAus> btw, if daniel wants he can still install konversation ... (its available in lucid and he may be more used to it) its just that kubuntu comes with quassel by default currently)
[16:31] <daniel> aperson: well this is weird, it didn't ask me for my root password, but when i clicked on "home" in the sidebar, it took me to /root/
[16:31] <aperson> that is odd!
[16:32] <ForgeAus> daniel, doesn't that mean you are the root user?
[16:32] <daniel> ForgeAus: i would have thought, but i'm not
[16:32] <ForgeAus> (if home = /root)
[16:32] <daniel> dolphin seems to think i'm root, but i'm not
[16:32] <cosmic303> aperson: no, not really. as i wouldn know how to check
[16:32] <aperson> cosmic303, open up hardware drivers, it will tell you there
[16:32] <ForgeAus> uh I know this might sound weird but how do you know for certain that your not?
[16:33] <aperson> ForgeAus, whoami
[16:33] <daniel> if i go to my Documents folder, the path in dolphin is Root > home > daniel > Documents, not Home > Documents as i would expect
[16:33] <cosmic303> ok let me check
[16:33] <ForgeAus> (I just want to know so that I understand)
[16:34] <aperson> daniel, can you do a echo $HOME ?
[16:35] <daniel> i just launched a terminal within dolphin, did a whoami and it says root :/
[16:35] <aperson> so are we sure dolphin isn't set to run with kdesu?
[16:35] <daniel> launched konsole, did `echo $HOME`, got /home/daniel
[16:35] <aperson> run the whoami in the konsole
[16:35] <cosmic303> aperson: ok, it says "version current" (recommended) is installed and activated
[16:36] <ForgeAus> I"m confused! lol
[16:36] <daniel> whoami in Konsole returned "daniel"
[16:36] <ForgeAus> so you are root user... but your home is /home/daniel ... there seems to be something fishy going on here, in some cases your root in others your not
[16:36] <aperson> ForgeAus, no
[16:36] <aperson> ForgeAus, dolphin is running with root privs
[16:36] <daniel> but in dolphin, it's "root". dolphin is running as root all the time
[16:37] <ForgeAus> ok where'd you run dolphin from? kickoff (as in the k menu)
[16:37] <daniel> i know that my user isn't root. when i logged in at KDM, i used "daniel" not "root"
[16:37] <ForgeAus> damiel :) good , makes sense
[16:37] <aperson> I know I keep asking, but what's the exact line in dolphin's menu entry?
[16:37] <Guest13071> salut
[16:37] <daniel> from kickoff, it's running as me and is all dandy
[16:37] <daniel> if it get's launched by the Folder View widget, it's root
[16:37] <Guest13071> y a des français ou des belges ici?
[16:38] <ForgeAus> ok so agian I ask where did you run dolphin from?
[16:38] <aperson> ForgeAus, from the folder view widget
[16:38] <daniel> ForgeAus: The Folder View widget
[16:38] <aperson> ^5
[16:38] <Guest13071> c'est quoi ici?
[16:38] <ForgeAus> ok, so you're the root user on that desktop/plasma   folder view then?...
[16:39] <aperson> !fr | Guest45925
[16:39] <ForgeAus> try removing it as root and recreating one
[16:39] <ForgeAus> (as daniel)
[16:39] <daniel> ForgeAus: I have never logged in as root
[16:40] <aperson> and you never will
[16:40] <daniel> all i did was make a copy of the Dolphin entry in the menu editor, and put kdesudo in front of it, so i had Dolphin, and Root Dolphin, since then i have deleted Root Dolphin
[16:40] <daniel> that is all i have done
[16:40] <ForgeAus> you don't need to kdesu (or kdesudo depending on which kde4 you have) logs you in as root... generally I thought it was for the one app tho...
[16:41] <ForgeAus> (but if that app is plasma?... the folder view could have viewed you as root not daniel??? ) just a guess...
[16:41] <aperson> daniel, maybe try deleting the folder view widget and recreating it?
[16:41] <daniel> aperson: already tried, no avail
[16:42] <aperson> I wish I knew kde's configuration file structure better
[16:42] <ForgeAus> daniel all that means is when you recreated it you were still considered root, I think
[16:43] <aperson> ForgeAus, no
[16:43] <daniel> ForgeAus: that suggest that i logged in as root, which i didn't
[16:43]  * aperson reminds everyone that you can't log in as root
[16:43] <ForgeAus> daniel no I'm talking about used your root password to run an app as root, not logged into your desktop as root
[16:43] <ForgeAus> (ie kdesudo or kdesu)
[16:43] <cosmic303> ok im downloading the latest driver from nvidia.com now..seems im a few versions behind there
[16:43] <daniel> or somehow plasma got root privs, which isn't something i didn't intentionally do
[16:44] <ForgeAus> aperson thats the only way I know of that he could have been root user then
[16:45] <ForgeAus> unless you have another idea
[16:46] <aperson> ForgeAus, to be anal, you could never log in as root in ubuntu, you can log in with 'root privileges' but never as root
[16:46] <daniel> i'm not the root user, we established that when i launched konsole and did `whoami` which returned "daniel", when i used the folder view, i used the terminal in the dolphin window it created, did `whoami` and it said "root", if i launch dolphin from the kmenu, it's "daniel" like i'd expect
[16:46] <ForgeAus> also folderviews do they use a dolphin kpart? that would explain why he was root too (using root-mode dolphin means he's probably root mode for that kpart for his folderview) ???
[16:46] <aperson> daniel, I'm getting close, just hold on
[16:47] <cosmic303> okies im gonna try the new driver now..thanks for the hint aperson ..ill be back if i still have problems :)
[16:47] <aperson> or at least I think I'm on to a solution
[16:47] <aperson> good luck cosmic303
[16:47] <ForgeAus> but like I said I dont' really know whats going on here all I Can do is guess
[16:47] <daniel> aperson: thanks, well i've only ever used KDE from an end-user viewpoint, so i have no idea how it works internally :(
[16:50] <ForgeAus> (grr annoying connection dropouts :( )
[16:52] <daniel> aperson: any closer? :)
[16:53] <aperson> daniel, I'm looking for the configuration file for the folder view plasmoid
[16:54] <ForgeAus> aperson it might be part of kdebase/plasma itself
[16:56] <bunnygurl> Hi all.  I am using Kubuntu 10.04 Wicd ar5001.  When I try to connect to wireless it fails to validate authenication and I get "bad password" error.
[16:57] <bunnygurl> can anyone help?
[16:58] <djustice> bunnygurl: what's the question?
[16:58] <AnnaZ> well then... the password is perhaps bad -.-
[16:58] <AnnaZ> unless it isn't :)
[16:59] <bunnygurl> it's isn't Anna.  It's the correct password. I've checked it many times
[16:59] <AnnaZ> maybe it's just too naughty.
[16:59] <Pici> o.O
[16:59] <bunnygurl> I don't know what to do now, dj.  Any suggestions?
[16:59] <AnnaZ> [17:57] <bunnygurl> Hi all.  I am using Kubuntu 10.04 Wicd ar5001.  When I try to connect to wireless it fails to validate authenication and I get "bad password" error.
[16:59] <AnnaZ> he hasn't read because he joined a bit too late
[17:00] <bunnygurl> ok
[17:00] <AnnaZ> bunnygurl: i imagine you have to add yourself to some group.
[17:00] <AnnaZ> but i don't know exactly -.-
[17:00] <ToraToraTora> how does one reinstall opengl in kubuntu?
[17:00] <bunnygurl> group?
[17:01] <djustice> bunnygurl: why not knetworkmanager? or nm-applet? and does it connect to an open network? maybe its the encryption type not being supported by your hardware..
[17:01] <AnnaZ> ToraToraTora: depends on how you "uninstalled" it. you can't generally uninstall opengl unless you remove all of the graphical environment :)
[17:01] <bunnygurl> knetworkmanager does the same
[17:01] <bunnygurl> it works with Vista installed
[17:02] <bunnygurl> but winblows runs horribly with 512 ram
[17:02] <ToraToraTora> AnnaZ: It isn't uninstalled yet, but it is broken and need to be reinstalled
[17:02] <djustice> bunnygurl: hm. does it connect to open networks?
[17:02] <AnnaZ> ToraToraTora: well what have you done and what graphics chip do you have?
[17:02] <bunnygurl> yes, it does connect to unsecured networks
[17:02] <DarthFrog> ToraToraTora: sudo apt-get install --reinstall <package>
[17:02] <djustice> ToraToraTora: there is no 'opengl'. there is 'python-opengl' and 'libqt4-opengl' etc. but libmesa and libgl might be wat you want..
[17:02] <AnnaZ> DarthFrog: i suspect this is not his problem.
[17:03] <ToraToraTora> AnnaZ: update from Kubuntu 9.10 ->10.04
[17:03] <djustice> bunnygurl: its the encryption type then. change it to a regular encryption.
[17:03] <bunnygurl> regular?
[17:03] <djustice> bunnygurl: or poke around forums for your driver name.. somebody has seen that issue already.
[17:03] <bunnygurl> I'm using wpa aes
[17:03] <DarthFrog> AnnaZ: Perhaps not, but I answered his question.  :-)
[17:03] <djustice> wep or wpa. try with tkip maybe?
[17:03] <djustice> dunno. :P
[17:03] <AnnaZ> DarthFrog: that's pretty blunt
[17:03] <bunnygurl> tkip did the same
[17:03] <bunnygurl> I was trying to avoid going to wep
[17:04] <AnnaZ> bunnygurl: some wlan adapters won't work until you place a firmware file somewhere on the system.
[17:04] <djustice> bunnygurl: wep and wpa are both cracked... neither are secure..
[17:04] <AnnaZ> where the driver can find it.
[17:04] <bunnygurl> fair enough, dj
[17:04] <DarthFrog> AnnaZ: Answering a question is the way to start.  If it's not the solution, he can follow up.  I assume that folks know what they're doing.
[17:04] <djustice> bunnygurl: some drivers dont liek some encryptions still. im not sure about yours, but that's my guess.
[17:04] <djustice> good luck :)
[17:04] <AnnaZ> DarthFrog: that's usually a very bad assumption.
[17:05] <cosmic303> hey aperson, still there? just wanted to thank u for the help. works fine now with the latest driver!
[17:05] <DarthFrog> AnnaZ: It can be.  But I prefer to teach someone to fish rather than cooking dinner for them. :-)
[17:05] <AnnaZ> DarthFrog: well they'll learn they are stupid either way :)
[17:05] <aperson> cosmic303, no problem, glad I can help
[17:05] <aperson> daniel, still around?
[17:05] <daniel> aperson: yeah
[17:06] <DarthFrog> AnnaZ: Please don't confuse stupidity with ignorance.  Ignorance is curable with knowledge.  Stupidity is terminal.
[17:06] <bunnygurl> I think it's the driver hardware combo... I know wpa tkip enterprise even worked on my eee
[17:06] <cosmic303> ok u all have a nice rest of the day :)
[17:06] <AnnaZ> bunnygurl: have you set yourself permissions in the user management? that you are allowed to establish internet connection.
[17:06] <cosmic303> tc yall
[17:07] <bunnygurl> Anna, no I haven't.  where do I do that?
[17:07] <ToraToraTora> AnnaZ: My chip is Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[17:07] <djustice> AnnaZ: that shouldnt be needed in kubuntu land... maybe im wrong..
[17:07] <djustice> bunnygurl: sudo kuser -> groups
[17:07] <aperson> daniel, want to pastebin your .kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc
[17:07] <djustice> ToraToraTora: i dont think your opengl is broken.. i think your xorg is misconfigured..
[17:08] <djustice> ToraToraTora: try 'sudo dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg' maybe..
[17:08] <ToraToraTora> djustice: okey dokey
[17:08] <djustice> ToraToraTora: unless you were manually deleting/editing .so files under /usr...
[17:08] <bunnygurl> kuser got command not found
[17:08] <djustice> bunnygurl: o.O 'sudo apt-get install kuser'
[17:08] <bunnygurl> heh
[17:08] <djustice> why isnt that in the default install?? weird..
[17:09] <djustice> what's the kubuntu way?
[17:09] <daniel> aperson: http://pastebin.com/qKABQhqu
[17:09] <aperson> daniel, thanks
[17:09] <djustice> gpasswd? rly? meh. kuser ftw.
[17:10] <bunnygurl> no protocol specified kuser: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[17:10] <ToraToraTora> djustice: dpkg doesn't like --reconfigure???
[17:11] <djustice> ToraToraTora: oops. 'dpkg-reconfigure' ;p
[17:11] <djustice> bunnygurl: eh. 'kdesudo kuser' then?
[17:12] <bunnygurl> same
[17:12] <djustice> bunnygurl: its x11.. and huh?? try 'DISPLAY=:0.0 kdesudo kuser'
[17:12] <aperson> daniel, odd, your folderview doesn't have a uri
[17:12] <bunnygurl> same
[17:13] <ToraToraTora> djustice: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does nothing...
[17:13] <djustice> bunnygurl: are you in a terminal? it has to be run inside kde.
[17:13] <bunnygurl> yep using terminal in kde
[17:13] <daniel> aperson: *shrug* i just used the mouse. :P never edited any files, if it's like that then KDE made it like that
[17:13] <aperson> daniel, this is a section of mine: http://pastie.org/958831.txt
[17:13] <tsimpson> bunnygurl: are you root?
[17:13] <bunnygurl> yes
[17:13] <tsimpson> don't
[17:13] <aperson> daniel, I'm not saying anything like that, I'm saying that might be the cause
[17:13] <djustice> bunnygurl: o.O dont run as root...
[17:14] <tsimpson> bunnygurl: kdesudo will launch it as root, you don't need to be root yourself
[17:14] <bunnygurl> um ok
[17:14] <djustice> ToraToraTora: sorry :/ no clue..
[17:14] <tsimpson> and that's also the reason kdesudo exists, you can't launch X apps from a users who isn't running the X session
[17:14] <djustice> bunnygurl: running anything as root is a good way to kill your install...
[17:14] <tsimpson> kdesudo fixes that issue
[17:14] <aperson> daniel, maybe you can edit yours manually and add the appropriate line?
[17:14] <bunnygurl> O.O
[17:15] <aperson> daniel, though I'm still sort of stumped as to why it's running as root
[17:15] <gnac> so sss
[17:16] <bunnygurl> ok, in kuser what do I do there?
[17:16] <daniel> aperson: no idea either
[17:16] <aperson> maybe one of the other fine gents in here would have a better idea now that it's a tad more active in here
[17:16] <djustice> there's no relevant group anyway.. unless netdev counts..
[17:16] <djustice> bunnygurl: check your user account's 'groups'
[17:16] <gnac> so I upgraded to lts 10.4 and now my system is borked.  Cant start kdm, running startx starts kde in user mode, but keyboard doesn't work.
[17:16] <djustice> bunnygurl: were you trying to connect to that network as root?
[17:17] <bunnygurl> I was using the gui
[17:17] <djustice> bunnygurl: as the root user? or as a normal user?
[17:17] <bunnygurl> I don't know how to check
[17:17] <djustice> bunnygurl: the name you use to login. was it 'root' or something else?
[17:18] <djustice> typing 'whoami' on konsole will tell u
[17:18] <bunnygurl> regular user
[17:18] <daniel> aperson: so once i add this line what do i need to do to make it take effect?
[17:19] <aperson> daniel, log out and back in, I'd suppose
[17:19] <ToraToraTora> As they say: if it's working somehow, don't try to fix it. Kubuntu updates seem to break more things than they fix.
[17:19] <kalipus> hello, i have a big issue since i upgraded to lucid. the xorg-server crashes when i will open the firefox noscript menu, under openbox the same, any suggestions for me?
[17:19] <djustice> bunnygurl: ah. well. driver fail. i guess. :/ sorry. try changing the encryptions is all i can suggest. or forumsurf for driver infos.
[17:19] <kalipus> the logs don't help
[17:19] <daniel> aperson:  i guess i'll brb then
[17:19] <bunnygurl> my user account says 'adm'
[17:19] <gnac> can anyone explain why my keyboard no longer works in kde or kdm with the upgrade to 10.4?
[17:19] <ToraToraTora> I got no sound and app using opengl won't work
[17:20] <bunnygurl> thanks djustice for your help.
[17:21] <bunnygurl> this is frustrating
[17:22] <AnnaZ> ToraToraTora: yeah i've been always picking up my /home and /usr/local, then doing a reinstall.
[17:22] <daniel> aperson: no change -.-
[17:22] <AnnaZ> when i need to upgrade. one doesn't have to always.
[17:22] <aperson> daniel, dangit
[17:24] <daniel> what really winds me up is i didn't even do anything an end-user wouldn't do, and STILL i have problems
[17:25] <daniel> i don't want to reinstall the whole damn thing over this but I will if that's what it takes, thankfully this install is only a couple of days old
[17:25] <kalipus> hello, i have a big issue since i upgraded to lucid. the xorg-server crashes when i will open the firefox noscript menu, under openbox the same, any suggestions for me?
[17:25] <kalipus> hello, i have a big issue since i upgraded to lucid. the xorg-server crashes when i will open the firefox noscript menu, under openbox the same, any suggestions for me?
[17:25] <aperson> daniel, make a new user and migrate over to that
[17:25] <aperson> !patience | kalipus
[17:26] <daniel> aperson: i suppose that would be the quicker way of achieving the same thing
[17:26] <aperson> daniel, I mean, that's a better option than re-installing
[17:26] <aperson> heck, you can create a new user, delete your old account, and recreate your old user daniel
[17:27] <daniel> aperson: the annoying this is i really *want* to be able to go to linux/kde full time, but it's little things like this that stop me from getting rid of my mac
[17:27] <aperson> daniel, why are you using kde?  I find it has a higher learning curve
[17:28] <daniel> aperson: i just don't get on with gnome, it lacks features and i haven't found a theme that makes it look nice yet, i won't go into details
[17:28] <ForgeAus> hmm thats silly I had to make 3 panels just so I could get one to dock to the right edge
[17:29] <AnnaZ> daniel: you have a weird permission problem?
[17:29] <aperson> ForgeAus, you shouldn't have
[17:29] <AnnaZ> daniel: have you tried creating a new user and seeing whether a new one has a similar problem?
[17:29] <aperson> ForgeAus, panel properties> screen edge
[17:30] <aperson> AnnaZ, their folder view plasmoid is running as root
[17:30] <AnnaZ> for ALL users?
[17:30] <aperson> AnnaZ, or at least when they open up dolphin from the folder view plasmoid, whoami says root
[17:30] <aperson> in the embedded konsole
[17:31] <AnnaZ> this is mindboggling.
[17:31] <AnnaZ> wherever the permission leak is, kde or kubuntu would sure like to know about it if we can track it down.
[17:31] <AnnaZ> perhaps something with kdm...
[17:32] <AnnaZ> what else has root priviledges?
[17:32] <AnnaZ> normally that is?
[17:33] <aperson> AnnaZ, some background: <daniel> all i did was make a copy of the Dolphin entry in the menu editor, and put kdesudo in front of it, so i had Dolphin, and Root Dolphin, since then i have deleted Root Dolphin
[17:33] <tsimpson> normally, nothing has root by default
[17:33] <AnnaZ> tsimpson, yet there has to be something which leaks permissions, right?
[17:34] <AnnaZ> or does the panel gain permissions by asking him to do the kdesu dance?
[17:34] <kalipus> no one help me :(
[17:34] <tsimpson> AnnaZ: maybe, if it's reproducible
[17:34] <kalipus> u're very bad ppl
[17:34] <AnnaZ> tsimpson: it reproduces on every single logon.
[17:34] <tsimpson> if it got permission with kdesu/kdesudo it'd ask for a password
[17:34] <tsimpson> AnnaZ: I mean with other installs
[17:34] <daniel> AnnaZ: yeah it does, when i click on a folder in my Folder View widget
[17:34] <daniel> AnnaZ: but not subsequent times, obviously
[17:35] <AnnaZ> kalipus: what hardware are you even on?
[17:36] <tsimpson> daniel: have a look in the menu editor at the dolphin entry, maybe that got changed
[17:36] <AnnaZ> kalipus, besides: [18:08] <djustice> ToraToraTora: try 'sudo dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg' maybe..
[17:36] <AnnaZ> can apply to you too.
[17:36] <daniel> tsimpson: i did, it wasn't
[17:37] <AnnaZ> daniel: i assume if you create a new user, it will not exhibit a problem, right?
[17:37] <momen> hello
[17:37] <daniel> AnnaZ: i'm gonna try it
[17:37] <daniel> brb
[17:38] <momen> i have aproblem any one help?
[17:38] <marty> momen: Just ask your question.
[17:38] <Mamarok> !ask | momen
[17:39] <Chief_Ug> I have a fresh kubuntu 10.04 install, but get no sound in almost anything - bootup sound works, system settings "test" plays it, but all from amarok to mplayer to youtube get no sound
[17:39] <momen> Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 13: $MFTMirr does not match $MFT (record 0).
[17:39] <momen> Failed to mount '/dev/sda8': Input/output error
[17:39] <momen> Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 13: $MFTMirr does not match $MFT (record 0).
[17:39] <momen> Failed to mount '/dev/sda5': Input/output error
[17:39] <momen> NTFS is either inconsistent, or there is a hardware fault, or it's a
[17:39] <momen> SoftRAID/FakeRAID hardware. In the first case run chkdsk /f on Windows
[17:39] <momen> then reboot into Windows twice. The usage of the /f parameter is very
[17:39] <FloodBotK1> momen: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:39] <momen> important! If the device is a SoftRAID/FakeRAID then first activate
[17:39] <DarthFrog> Chief_Ug: Run kmix  and use the mixer to set sound levels.
[17:40] <momen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/432867/
[17:40] <kalipus> AnnaZ: ok i give it a try, i am running at radeon 9000
[17:40] <Chief_Ug> DarthFrog: Have done that, all volumes are up. it seems that amarok doesn't want to play things, it just scrolls quickly a few mp3's on a playlist, no error messages though
[17:40] <DarthFrog> Chief_Ug: Have you installed the needed codecs?
[17:40] <daniel> AnnaZ: it behaves as i would expect with a new user
[17:41] <DarthFrog> !restricted | Chief_Ug
[17:41] <marty> When I attempt to switch users the screensaver starts and all I get is the unlock dialog.  What am I missing?
[17:41] <AnnaZ> daniel: ok if you stil want to hunt the problem, it will be at least contained within your profile.
[17:42] <AnnaZ> daniel: i suggest doing a brute force search for a file containing kdesu or perhaps whatever part of plasma is the problem in ~/.kde/
[17:42] <AnnaZ> daniel: the folder isn't huge, it won't take long.
[17:43] <momen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/432867/
[17:44] <AnnaZ> daniel: if you can find the location of the problem, i'm sure your bug report to kde would be very valuable.
[17:44] <daniel> AnnaZ: i'll have a dig around, i'll have a search round the KDE documentation sites too. to be honest i have absolutely no idea what i'd be looking for
[17:44] <aperson> AnnaZ, it's not in .kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc that's for sure
[17:45] <aperson> daniel, all it'd take is a: grep -r gksu .kde/*
[17:45] <aperson> assuming you're in your home folder
[17:46] <daniel> when it does ask me for my password, it does say "Root Dolphin" in the title of the kdesudo window, so to me it seems like it's decided it's going to use my alternative menu entry as the default one, then seems to have hung on to it even after i deleted it with the menu editor
[17:46] <daniel> aperson: gksu? that's a new one to me
[17:46] <aperson> daniel, sorry, kdesu
[17:46] <aperson> I use both kde and gnome :)
[17:47] <AnnaZ> aperson: any idea where kde saves session data?
[17:47] <aperson> AnnaZ, I was looking around, but like you said, it's somewhere in .kde
[17:48] <daniel> aperson: the only results i got were in .kde/share/config/krunnerrc
[17:48] <AnnaZ> yeah i looked there too, but found nothing obvious :)
[17:48] <AnnaZ> krunner shouldn't be the problem.
[17:48] <daniel> .kde/share/config/krunnerrc:PastQueries=,konsole,kpacka,kdesudo dolphin /etc/apache2,kdesudo kate /etc/apache2,kpackage,konsol
[17:48] <daniel> .kde/share/config/krunnerrc:LaunchCounts=6 services_kde4-konsole.desktop,3 services_kde4-kpackagekit.desktop,1 shell_kdesudo kate /etc/apache2,1 shell_kdesudo dolphin /etc/apache2
[17:48] <daniel> ... i didn't realise it was going to do that, sorry
[17:48] <kalipus> AnnaZ: dont work
[17:48] <kalipus> even twm crashes -.-
[17:49] <Chief_Ug> DarthFrog: thanks, I didn't realize that volume was REALLY low - I turned everything to 100% in software, and my speakers way up, and I get sound in flash, problem is that now system sounds are super loud
[17:49] <aperson> daniel, hmm... I don't think krunner is the problem
[17:49] <daniel> aperson: no, neither do i
[17:49] <AnnaZ> kalipus: sorry to say, but apparently something is badly fucked in the upgrade process. i'm sorry, i can't come up with an approach to hunt down the problem.
[17:50] <aperson> normally I'd !language you, AnnaZ :P
[17:50] <AnnaZ> yeah !language me.
[17:50] <tsimpson> allow me
[17:50] <tsimpson> !language | AnnaZ
[17:50] <DarthFrog> Chief_Ug: Have fun. :-)
[17:50] <kalipus> AnnaZ: i think too so, ubuntu is fucked :D
[17:50] <AnnaZ> cunts :D
[17:50] <kalipus> it always fucked on upgrade
[17:50] <kalipus> i will change
[17:50] <tsimpson> wooh!
[17:51] <DarthFrog> Hey folks, please keep the place presentable!
[17:51] <kalipus> u suck
[17:51] <kalipus> did i say to much fucked?
[17:51] <aperson> tsimpson: ruling with an iron fist
[17:52]  * DarthFrog notes that #Kubuntu is governed by the Ubuntu Code of Conduct.  And is glad for that.
[17:52] <tsimpson> aperson: they had warning
[17:52] <aperson> tsimpson, I agree, not nocking you
[17:52] <daniel> ok sod this, i'm done. i'll come back to it later
[17:52] <aperson> daniel, sorry I couldn't be of more help :/
[17:53] <aperson> DarthFrog, and I hope we all signed that code of conduct
[17:53] <DarthFrog> aperson: It's a good thing to do.
[17:55] <aperson> DarthFrog, indeed, I signed it 6 months ago, don't know why I didn't earlier
[17:56] <daniel> aperson: it's ok, you tried, thanks anyway. linux just hates me. even when i don't do anything an end user wouldn't do, it still finds some way to get all twisted and mangled on me.
[17:57] <aperson> daniel, I think you crossed the normal user boundary when you started to edit menu entries
[17:57] <aperson> IMHO
[17:58] <aperson> in any case, good luck and I hope the solution can be found
[17:59] <daniel> aperson: perhaps
[18:05] <ForgeAus> wow plasma does google gadgets?
[18:09] <jimmy51_> nepomuk is using 2824284K of memory.  is that high?
[18:09] <jimmy51_> my system just bogged down and disabled compositing....
[18:11] <jimmy51_> 2.5 GB seems like a lot for a file indexor
[18:12] <tsimpson> jimmy51_: is that virtual or resident?
[18:13] <satch5150> hi all  - anyone had any problems ripping audio cds under lucid 64bit ?
[18:14] <kerim> Help me please
[18:14] <satch5150> I ripped 3 or 4  and didn't seem to have any problems, but now when I try to rip them the tracks are coming out distorted
[18:14] <kerim> I was install xampp for ubuntu
[18:14] <satch5150> and I'm talking about the wav files too, not just the converted mp3's and ogg's
[18:14] <kerim> But ı can't make install joomla
[18:14] <kerim> Fatal error: Class 'Jinstallation' not found in /opt/lampp/htdocs/tema/libraries/joomla/application/application.php  on line 139
[18:15] <kerim> Help me please
[18:15] <tsimpson> I suggest you ask in ##php for php errors
[18:16] <satch5150> anyway, trying to determine if its my drive or if there is a problem with lucid
[18:17] <kerim> thanks
[18:18] <satch5150> and speaking of  my drive, which is a  memorex 530L v1 DVD burner, I would like to try to a firmware flash but memorex only gives me a windows exe file - is there some way I can flash it through linux ?
[18:18] <jimmy51_> tsimpson: that's in the Memory column of  System Activity
[18:20] <tsimpson> jimmy51_: hover over the number and look at the RSS Memory usage part
[18:20] <jimmy51_> tsimpson: RSS 2.7 out of 7.8
[18:21] <tsimpson> jimmy51_: and what's the value above that?
[18:21] <jimmy51_> tsimpson: the same.  both lines say 2.7 out of 7.8 (34%)
[18:22] <jimmy51_> tsimpson: i suppose i should mention there are two entries for nepomuk... one is 1.2GB and one is 2.7GB.  the 1.2 is also using 12% of my CPU, which is an i7-860
[18:23] <jimmy51_> tsimpson: i wouldn't care, except it's been pretty doggy today.
[18:23] <satch5150> anyone have any suggestions ?
[18:24] <jimmy51_> satch5150: does memorex provide a way to make bootable media?
[18:24] <jimmy51_> satch5150: sometimes they'll provide a burnable ISO or floppy image to boot to.
[18:24] <tsimpson> jimmy51_: do you use nepomuk at all?
[18:25] <jimmy51_> tsimpson: i don't think so.  yesterday i learned it has to do with file indexing, but i don't know if i use it
[18:25] <satch5150> I have no idea, i don't think so though  ................ if I had a floppy or cd that came with it for such purposes it  is long gone :)
[18:25] <tsimpson> jimmy51_: you can disable it from system settings -> advanced -> desktop search
[18:25] <jimmy51_> tsimpson: if i need to find a file i open a terminal and run       find / whatever.* -name
[18:25] <tsimpson> or use mlocate ;)
[18:26] <jimmy51_> tsimpson: interesting.  i just disabled it.  while doing so, i noticed it's set to use 50MB of ram at the most.
[18:27] <jimmy51_> 2.7GB > 50MB!
[18:29] <jimmy51_> tsimpson: thanks.  i killed the process and the system is snappy again.  it was up to 3GB before i killed it.
[18:29] <jimmy51_> disabled in system settings now.
[18:29] <tsimpson> strange thing that nepomuk
[18:30] <jimmy51_> next issue, my co-worker just upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04.  after the upgrade (which he performed through kpackagekit) he has no networking.  ifconfig shows an eth0, but there's no network icon in the system tray and it's not leasing an address.
[18:30] <jimmy51_> what should he do?
[18:30] <jimmy51_> tsimpson: yeah, 3GB of ram for something i don't even use, that was set to use 50MB at the most?  sounds like a problem.
[18:36] <hax991> hi
[18:41] <jimmy51_> anyone know of reasons why network-manager won't run?
[18:41] <jimmy51_> ifconfig shows eth0, and dhclient leases an address but he can't run network-manager
[18:41] <Landgraf> check config-files
[18:42] <Landgraf> if it not empty - nm disabled
[18:43] <ompaul> question about Hardy, FF in Hardy seems to have issues rendering some "tick boxes" on web pages, it seems to be theme related, in so far as some themes I see more of a change but never a tick when an click takes place on the box - works under that other popular but not quite a desktop, can't upgrade not for a while its a multi user box
[18:43] <Landgraf> jimmy51_: do you edit this?
[18:43] <ompaul> woops got to take a call brb
[18:43] <jimmy51_> Landgraf: hmm... what's config-files?
[18:43] <jimmy51_> i cheecked networkmanager.state, it's got networking enabled
[18:44] <Landgraf> files with settings parameter
[18:45] <jimmy51_> Landgraf: what file is it?
[18:45] <Landgraf> i mean it as "no"
[18:46] <Landgraf> than i don't know reasons
[18:52] <jimmy51_> in my system tray, i have a networking icon i can right click on and open a managment utility.  what is this thing?  (package)
[18:54] <ompaul> call over
[18:54] <shadeslayer> jimmy51_: kne23:23 < jimmy51_> in my system tray, i have a networking icon i can right click on and open a managment utility.  what is
[18:55] <shadeslayer> jimmy51_: knetworkmanager?
[18:55] <shadeslayer> ( sorry for the earlier post my touchpad is been crazy lately
[18:56] <jimmy51_> shadeslayer: no prob
[19:01] <jimmy51_> got it
[19:01] <francesco_> ciao qualcuno parla italiano?
[19:01] <jimmy51_> (at least part of it)  he deleted his panel on accident and rebuilt it by hand without the system tray.
[19:02] <jimmy51_> !it | fancesco
[19:02] <jimmy51_> !it | francesco
[19:14] <zeltak> hello guys..looking for a way to assign custom keyboard shortcut to konsole profiles? (that is while konsole is open ope profile X in new tab via keyboard shortcut)
[19:14] <zeltak> can anyone help out?
[19:14] <ompaul> it had to do with fonts in use within themes when I switched off kde forts for non kde applications
[19:15] <seattlegaucho> does the netbook remix have its own IRC channel or kubuntu netbook remix is part of the topic in here?
[19:15] <harjot> can i mount a folder as an iso?
[19:16] <ompaul> harjot, ehh you can mount an iso image on your disk using loopback but a folder could not be an iso it might contain an iso image - just in case you are not sure your question kind of confused me  - so if it is answered great, if not can you give more details
[19:17] <ompaul> harjot, not loopback but loop (doh)
[19:19] <ompaul> harjot, sudo mkdir -p /local-iso/disk ; sudo mount -o loop disk1.iso /local-iso/disk
[19:20] <harjot> im trying to mount a folder as something elsse, like a virtual zip
[19:21] <ompaul> harjot, where is this folder?
[19:21] <gnac> so I fixed my kdm/kde startup issues (resulting from 10.4 upgrade).  now howver when I maximize an application, I cant see the toolbar.  Is there a setting for this somewhere?
[19:21] <harjot> on my hd
[19:22] <harjot> im trying to get a virtual tar outof a folder
[19:23] <harjot> ompaul: any ideas?
[19:23] <harjot> ompaul: im trying to get apache to download a wole directory
[19:23] <ompaul> harjot, wget might be easier
[19:24] <ompaul> I really don't understand what files where they are and why you can't see them already
[19:24] <ompaul> so ls -al the folder for me please
[19:24] <ompaul> harjot, the folder has to have a name - what is it?
[19:24] <ompaul> and where on the disk is it
[19:25] <harjot> ?
[19:26] <harjot> its called Gamersfirst
[19:26] <gnac> After the 10.4 upgrade, when I maximize an application, I cant see the toolbar in order to unmaximize etc.  Is there a setting for this somewhere?
[19:26] <ompaul> harjot, a folder has a characteristic - it lives somewhere on a machine   usually we keep stuff we want in /home/ourUserName/
[19:27] <ompaul> harjot, typically you would cd into that disk or use the file manager (dolphin) to navigate to it
[19:27] <harjot> ompaul: yeah its on another mounted partition
[19:27] <harjot> ompaul: i can view it an sutff
[19:27] <ompaul> harjot, and?
[19:27] <harjot> ompaul: its on sda2
[19:28] <harjot> ompaul: /media/disk/Program Files/GamersFirst/
[19:28] <harjot> thats where it is
[19:28] <harjot> i want that as a virtual zip or tar
[19:28] <ompaul>  so cd /media/disk/Program\ Files/
[19:28] <ompaul> then
[19:29] <ompaul> tar cvf gamersf.tar GamersFirst
[19:29] <harjot> ..?
[19:29] <harjot> yeah, but its a big folder
[19:29] <harjot> and i want a fake tar
[19:29] <harjot> not a real one
[19:29] <ompaul> and where exactly do you want this tar file to live?
[19:30] <ompaul> you could do this
[19:30] <ompaul> (if you have the room)
[19:30] <csquaredin> !mdadm
[19:30] <csquaredin> !info mdadm
[19:31] <csquaredin> what is the simplest way to view my software raid status? i just upgraded to 10.04 and want to make sure it's working
[19:31] <ompaul> tar cvf /home/user/file.tar /media/disk/Program\ Files/GamersFirst/       << but a virtual tar .... not sure what you mean
[19:33] <ompaul> harjot, the file has to "live" somewhere ram - disk or whatever - if you want to make it available to apache what you are trying to say is you want a vhost to point there or document root either way a long way from virtual
[19:33] <ompaul> harjot, then apache can make use of it
[19:34] <harjot> yeah but i want users to download the whole fodler in one go
[19:34] <ompaul> harjot, to where?
[19:34] <ompaul> what is your target
[19:34] <harjot> to whoever downloads it?
[19:35] <ompaul> ok so you want to make your folder available to anyone who visits your apache?
[19:35] <ompaul> harjot, I think you are really talking about this:  http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/examples.html
[19:36] <harjot> ompaul: let me see thanks
[19:37] <henkka-> hello can someone help me with getting the microphone to worK?
[19:40] <gnac> can anyone explain why my maximized windows loose their titlebars?
[19:42] <nordiksito> alguien habla español?
[19:42] <Reign1> does any of you guys got adjustableclock2.2 installed?
[19:42] <ForgeAus> if your using netbook formfactor they do that, I've had it happen a few times under various cirumstances
[19:42] <ForgeAus> but I'm not entirely sure why
[19:43] <nordiksito> alguien habla español?
[19:44] <ompaul> !es
[19:45] <g-me> Hey there. Does anyone have experience of Wake on Wireless Lan?
[19:45] <DJIronSkillet> Hey yall its me again OK so I restarted and chose to do the installation with acpi work arounds but still get a Kernel INdex something
[19:45] <DJIronSkillet> eroor
[19:45] <DJIronSkillet> error
[19:46] <DJIronSkillet> Hello does anyone have a sec for a ?
[19:46] <nordiksito> ubuntulog:
[19:48] <DJIronSkillet> is there someone in here?
[19:48] <rork> !ask | DJIronSkillet
[19:48] <rork> eh, well you did :)
[19:58] <Reign1> does any of you guys got adjustableclock2.2 installed?
[20:11] <Mamarok> Reign1: why do you insist on it? It doesn't work, you better subscribe to the bug report and wait for it to be solved. In the mean time there are like 4 other clock widgets you could use...
[20:13] <harjot> How do i hide files without changing the file namE?
[20:13] <Reign1> Mamarok: well i know there is a solution, so its not AC2.2 problem, problem is that im missing lets say /usr/include/plasmaclock from kdebase-workspace:4:4.3
[20:13] <Reign1> its listed here: http://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/i686/kdebase-workspace/ , but i dont have it and some others
[20:13] <Reign1> dunno why, maybe missing some devel files, dunno how to resolve this
[20:14] <harjot> ok thanks i will try
[20:15] <Mamarok> Reign1: well, if you are not a packager, I doubt there is much you can do about it
[20:15] <Mamarok> harjot: that was not an anbswer for you
[20:15] <Mamarok> answer*
[20:15] <harjot> sorry i posted in wrong place lol
[20:15] <Reign1> Mamarok: if you are curious, you can try downloading it and installing manualy if you are on 4:4.3, i wonder, should work for you: http://kde-look.org/content/download.php?content=92825&id=1&tan=83801908
[20:16] <Mamarok> Reign1: I already have it, and it crashes plasma
[20:16] <Mamarok> did you try the other clock applets?
[20:16] <Reign1> yes, uninstall it and try installing manually, you'll see that it works then, thats all magic
[20:16] <Reign1> bunzip2 tar xvf package and there is install file which tells what to do
[20:17] <Reign1> as ppl mark that as "SOLVED" solution, but then again i come back to that im missing paths while others dont, so am i missing devel files or what the hell, thats where im lost ;)
[20:18] <Mamarok> Reign1: solved where?
[20:18] <Reign1> kubuntu with kde 4:4.3, there
[20:18] <Mamarok> Reign1: where was this makred as solved, link please :)
[20:19] <Mamarok> marked*
[20:19] <Mamarok> also you should not compare paths from other distros, they might not be indentical, some don't use the same prefixes on installation
[20:20] <Reign1> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=92825&forumpage=4
[20:20] <Reign1> about ~in the middle
[20:20] <Reign1> search for SOLVED
[20:21] <Reign1> also, heres a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-adjustableclock/+bug/546781
[20:22] <harjot> how do i find info about a pid number
[20:28] <jimmy51_> harjot: ps -A
[20:28] <jimmy51_> harjot: shows all processes
[20:28] <harjot> how do i find stuff about a specific process?
[20:28] <jimmy51_> harjot: what kind of stuff?
[20:28] <DJIronSkillet> anyone got a sec for a ?
[20:29] <harjot> jimmy51_: i used unhide from synpatic and it reports there are hidden pids so there might be a rootkit
[20:30] <harjot> jimmy51_: so im trying to find info about that pid
[20:30] <jimmy51_> harjot: you can use the terminal.....    ps -p <processID> -F     for a list of info if you know the PID.  I use            ps -A           to see all processes from all users
[20:31] <harjot> I get a response, yet i get nothing
[20:31] <harjot> its hidden
[20:31] <jimmy51_> harjot: or     ps -A -F    to see what users
[20:32] <ompaul> harjot  ps auwx | grep somethingtodowithwhatyouarelookinfor | less
[20:33] <csquaredin> i have some .mts hd video files from a canon hd camcorder that are choppy when played back using vlc; does anyone know why this might be occurring? i am using a GeForce 9800 GT with proprietary drivers and i did not experience any problems before i upgraded to 10.04
[20:33] <jimmy51_> !info unhide
[20:33] <harjot> i get nothing
[20:33] <DJIronSkillet> I need some help
[20:34] <harjot> i get no info on the process
[20:34] <jimmy51_> harjot: looks like unhide is a package for that.  i've never used it though.
[20:34] <harjot> these pids dont give info
[20:34] <harjot> brb ive goto eat dinner
[20:35] <jimmy51_> harjot: have you tried "unhide" ?
[20:35] <ompaul> harjot  ps auwx | less (that is everything)
[20:36] <ompaul> harjot  lsof | less  <<  all open files   and netstat -an << useful for ports activities
[20:36] <DJIronSkillet> I have a problem installing 10.04
[20:39] <DJIronSkillet> My Hardware is a Toshiba Satilite AMD64 Turion
[20:40] <Mamarok> Reign1: that doesn't change anything, it still crashes plasma
[20:41] <jimmy51_> csquaredin: hmmm, i'm seeing windows based forum posts where the solution was a different player that could do multi core decoding.
[20:41] <Reign1> Mamarok: strange, why ppl say it works then :/
[20:41] <jimmy51_> csquaredin: there are different suggestions to change settings though.... disable loop filter (preferences)
[20:41] <DJIronSkillet> Anyone here have a sec for a ?
[20:41] <Mamarok> Reign1: well, I don't know, you should maybe ask the author of the widget? I don't really care TBH, since I can live without it
[20:42] <Reign1> Mamarok: ok, thanks for the help
[20:42] <Mamarok> Reign1: you are welcome :)
[20:42] <DJIronSkillet> OK Got a question can anyone Help?
[20:43] <DJIronSkillet> It looks like Im having ACPI Issues during the Ubuntu 10.04 Install
[20:43] <DJIronSkillet> anyone know a way to get past this?
[20:44] <avihay> there should be boot options to let you disable or limit acpi
[20:45] <DJIronSkillet> there is an option for install with ACPI workarounds but that install wonm't
[20:45] <DJIronSkillet> boot
[20:46] <avihay> I'm talking about kernel boot options, not a package
[20:46] <DJIronSkillet> it starts to boot and then goes to a command line screen with the bottom line says something like kernel_index_00x0007
[20:46] <DJIronSkillet> oh is there a list of boot options I can look thru to help me?
[20:47] <avihay> DJIronSkillet: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions#Kernel%20Options
[20:47] <avihay> maybe
[20:49] <DJIronSkillet> thanks
[20:52] <DJIronSkillet> no dice still not working
[20:54] <harjot> jimmy51_: i used unhide to find the processses
[20:55] <jimmy51_> harjot: was that what you needed?
[20:55] <avihay> did you start with noacpi or acpi=off, or did you do the more fancy stuff?
[20:56] <avihay> did you try to use vesa?
[20:56] <harjot> jimmy51_: no unhide tellss me if theres hidden pids. hidden pids WERE found so if trying to sort of trace what they are
[20:56] <avihay> did you try opening the computer, switching the memory sticks around and trying again? oh, sorry, laptop...
[21:01] <jimmy51_> harjot: so... now you know the PID's?
[21:03] <jimmy51_> csquaredin: /usr/local/bin/mplayer -fps 60 -ao sdl -vo xv -lavdopts threads=4:fast:skiploopfilter=all pathtovideofile.mts
[21:03] <jimmy51_> (sorry, that was supposed to be a PM)
[21:05] <BluesKaj> jimmy51_, ususlly mplayer is located in /usr/bin/ , not usr/local/bib/
[21:06] <BluesKaj> err usr/local/bin/
[21:06] <bjorn> DJIronSkillet: can you capture your specific ACPI issue, e.g., with a serial console or digital camera, and give a pointer?
[21:07] <harjot> jimmy51_: i just used chkrootkit
[21:07] <harjot> it gives thi warning
[21:07] <harjot> chkproc: Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed
[21:11] <jimmy51_> BluesKaj: yup, it errored.  mplayer (no path) worked.  he's playing MTS files that need multicore decoding.  it looks like mplayer can do it, if he specifies as above.  do you know if that can be made more userfriendly?
[21:11] <jimmy51_> BluesKaj: wives don't like "typing in the black box with psuedo ///...etc/list/nano" (as my wife says) :)
[21:19] <BluesKaj> jimmy51_, well if you need to play mts files, mplayer might play them but my fallback for unusual files is VLC.
[21:20] <jimmy51_> BluesKaj: that's what we started with, but apparantely VLC's H264 decoder doesn't to multicore decoding.  he said it worked before the 10.04 upgrade though.  that's what confuses me.
[21:21] <BluesKaj> jimmy51_, hmm, wonder if there's a linux divx player for H264 , we use one on our windows media sever machine
[21:24] <BluesKaj> it's actually wife's vista pc but it's newer and more suited for serving media files to our HT/HD setup
[21:28] <claes_> im installing plasma-desktop in ubuntu, what "default display manager" should i use? kdm/gdm
[21:37] <BluesKaj> claes_, depends if you want to run kde or gnome desktop ..if you installed kubuntu then it's kdem
[21:37] <BluesKaj> err kdm
[21:40] <ForgeAus> hmm..
[21:50] <harjot> can i tell kubuntu to come out of standby after an amount of time?
[21:58] <harjot> can i tell kubuntu to come out of standby after an amount of time?
[22:04] <nakw> do you know the content of httpd.conf in order to use apache2 + php ?
[22:04] <nakw> apache2 server works fine
[22:22] <tamran> is anyone here using transmission client for KDE (the qt) version?  If so, how does it handle it when you open a file while tranmission is already running?  Does it open another instance or "inject" the newly added file into the existing window?  If I click on 5 different links I get 5 different, separate windows all fighting with each other and 5 icons in the system tray.  I'm assuming this is a config issue maybe?
[22:23] <Benjism89> hi all
[22:23] <Benjism89> can anyone help me fix a problem with upgrading to 10.04 ?
[22:24] <niko_> !list
[22:25] <Benjism89> anyone here ?
[22:32] <Sir_Brizz> does anyone know how to fix an issue where if I have Flash playing sound, nothing else can play sound?
[22:46] <noaXess> heya
[22:46] <noaXess> whats the default kernel veriosn in lucid?
[22:48] <terry_> 2.6.32-21-generic is the first one I ended up with after upgrading.
[22:49] <SanityInAnarchy> Well, that's great. Upgrade broke my contact list.
[22:49] <noaXess> terry_: ok.. thanks..
[22:50] <SanityInAnarchy> So, I've managed to reopen the contact list as another akonadi resource, something I can manage with kaddressbook. I've managed to recreate my distribution lists. Which show up as seven EMPTY entries in Kmail, and manage to send email to "list@serenity" instead of the actual addresses (serenity is the name of this computer).
[22:51] <Sir_Brizz> I hate flash
[22:53] <terry_> There is a known problem with akonadi related to the upgrade. I think there is a workaround posted on the support site.
[22:53] <SanityInAnarchy> Where's that? And how do I get basic address book functionality back?
[22:54] <terry_> Hold on; let me get the address...
[22:54] <terry_> Here: www.kubuntuforums.net
[22:56] <SanityInAnarchy> Erm... well, the closest I'm finding are crash reports, and nothing's crashing. They just can't see each other's data.
[22:57] <terry_> Mine is crashing...
[22:58] <terry_> I really haven't been worried about that. I've had other problems...
[22:58] <SanityInAnarchy> I'm a bit worried about the fact that something major has been breaking for me every single Kubuntu upgrade. I like KDE, but I'm thinking it's time to go back to GNOME, where stuff works.
[22:59] <terry_> Me too. I'm new to unbutu. I've been using RedHat in a development environment using KDE.
[22:59] <SanityInAnarchy> I realize I'm not being entirely fair, but these are two KDE applications that are made to work with each other. They're open right next to each other. They can see the same list. But one sees actual contacts and the other sees blank lines.
[23:00] <terry_> Wasn't there some kind of workaround on the site? I thought I saw that...
[23:00] <SanityInAnarchy> I couldn't find one. Maybe you could be more specific? Kubuntuforums is a big site.
[23:01] <terry_> Sorry, I don't remember. I was focused on another problem, but do remember seeing something about the error I've been getting.
[23:03] <mightyduck> :-)
[23:04] <terry_> mightyduck: :o]
[23:04]  * SanityInAnarchy facepalms
[23:04] <SanityInAnarchy> http://userbase.kde.org/KAddressBook
[23:04] <SanityInAnarchy> Joy. Complete total regression -- as in, feature is GONE.
[23:04] <lucitu> SanityInAnarchy: sorry to hear u r back to gnome
[23:04] <SanityInAnarchy> Not yet, but probably soon.
[23:05] <SanityInAnarchy> Seems like SOP for KDE is, "Let's remove all the features and rewrite them to be better!"  Maybe in 2015 or 2020 they'll be there, but in the meantime, it gives the impression of a mess that never quite works.
[23:06] <lucitu> SanityInAnarchy: is this a kde issue? thne try in kde channel?
[23:06] <SanityInAnarchy> Maybe I should. In the past, KDE likes to blame Kubuntu...
[23:06] <mightyduck> michael_: http://www.xx86.info/lin_fs.html#fs-undelete kannst hier mal schauen
[23:07] <mightyduck> michael_: wie gorß ist die Datei?
[23:07] <lucitu> SanityInAnarchy: sorry didn't get exactly your issue.  what's exactly is it? if u don't mind
[23:08] <SanityInAnarchy> lucitu:  Distribution lists in Kmail. They don't work anymore. They're apparently being replaced by "Groups", but you can't send mail to a Group.
[23:09] <SanityInAnarchy> "You can, though, copy and paste the list of names from the right-hand panel."  ...WTF? Thanks, if I knew you were going to regress that far, I'd just keep these in Kate.
[23:09] <SanityInAnarchy> And that's after spending probably half an hour trying to get contacts to work at all, since the Lucid upgrade seemed to break them.
[23:10] <SanityInAnarchy> It's not a major issue, it's just an annoyance, but still... this is what was shipped? Really?
[23:11] <lucitu> SanityInAnarchy: looks like it's a kmail issue or the new kde use of a central akonadi/nepomuk db?
[23:12] <SanityInAnarchy> lucitu:  Seems to be kmail. Well, both -- akonadi did _not_ upgrade smoothly at all.
[23:13] <SanityInAnarchy> But it's here: http://userbase.kde.org/KAddressBook
[23:13] <SanityInAnarchy> under "status of this release"
[23:13] <lucitu> SanityInAnarchy: but it makes sense - a distro list is nothing but a group of contacts..r u saying you can't use the 'group' as a recipient?
[23:14] <SanityInAnarchy> lucitu:  Right. Actually, it's worse than that... It will pretend to (with autocompletion), but it'll then attempt to use that as a normal email address, thus expanding to "list@hostname"
[23:15] <SanityInAnarchy> Still worse, I can select the list from the "Select Recipient" dialog, but when I click the + next to it to expand it, it appears completely empty. It claims to have the right number of email addresses, but they are all completely blank lines.
[23:17] <lucitu> SanityInAnarchy: have you tried sending it? and recepient does receive it?
[23:17] <SanityInAnarchy> lucitu:  I tried sending it, and got a bounce. Again, when sending, it _ignores_ that it's a distribution list and tries sending it as a normal email address.
[23:18] <SanityInAnarchy> Thus, if my list is called "list" and my computer's name is "hostname", I get a bounce saying "list@hostname" is not a valid address. Which is correct -- there's no way my mailserver should be seeing the list name at all, is there?
[23:19] <lucitu> SanityInAnarchy: i suppose so..shud exxpand it to whoever in in the list..
[23:19] <SanityInAnarchy> lucitu: Exactly. And that is what it did before I upgraded to Lucid.
[23:20] <lucitu> SanityInAnarchy: maybe try a new install as uou said the akonadi upgrade wasn't perfect..just my 2cents..
[23:20] <lucitu> *you
[23:21] <SanityInAnarchy> lucitu:  I'll try that, but as I pointed out, this is a known issue.
[23:21] <SanityInAnarchy> http://userbase.kde.org/KAddressBook
[23:21] <vHanda> My firefox isn't integrated with KDE, and it's super annoying. I have the kmozillahelper package installed, but it still isn't integrated! :-(
[23:21] <vHanda> There are the 4 firefox packages I have installed : firefox firefox-3.5  firefox-mozilla-build firefox-branding
[23:22] <vHanda> Does anyone have any idea?
[23:22] <vHanda> Or should I just nuke firefox and try to install it again? (Last resort!)
[23:24] <vHanda> I guess. I'll just remove firefox and hope for the best. :-/
[23:24] <lucitu> SanityInAnarchy: so it's known..no point discussing then..have a nice day..thanks
[23:26] <malik_> Hey
[23:26] <malik_> anyone know anything about program permissions?
[23:28] <vHanda> Woo Hoo! It worked! And I didn't even loose my addons!
[23:32] <malik_> Hey guys after I updated to 10.4 any program that uses my c drive gives me a permission denied error. Anyone know how to reinstate the permissions?
[23:37] <malik_> thanks you guys are completely fucking useless
[23:41] <BlackRat90> could anyone help me install this patch for wine?
[23:41] <BlackRat90> http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21609
[23:54] <Chicano> Hi all
[23:55] <Chicano> how comes Kubuntu.org claims kde 4.4.3 is available, yet a *lot* of packages (for example kdebase-data) say they're still version 4.4.2?