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robert_ancellseb128, do you know where the photo experience blueprint is?  what was that session called?08:10
seb128robert_ancell, desktop-maverick-photo-experience08:10
robert_ancellseb128, yeah, doesn't exist08:12
seb128robert_ancell, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-simple-image-management08:12
seb128robert_ancell, desktop-maverick-photo-experience on gobby08:12
robert_ancellseb128, it's desktop-maverick-simple-image-management08:13
seb128robert_ancell, what I said before?08:13
robert_ancelloh, missed that one08:14
robert_ancell:)08:14
desrtseb128: in session?08:18
seb128desrt, yes, you?08:18
desrthackingbof :)08:18
seb128nice08:19
desrt...not much of a bof, to be honest08:19
desrtanyway.  was wondering: are you going to do backported glib releases to lucid?08:19
desrtin some PPA or something08:19
seb128I didn't plan to no but if that's useful we could discuss it08:19
desrtok.  i'll see you some time if you're free08:20
chrisccoulsonbryceh - i've been looking at bug 546578 this morning, and i think i know what happens on the gnome-screensaver side now08:38
chrisccoulsonthe VT switching is happening before the fade has completed08:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 546578 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati "[RS480] black screen after a few user switches" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54657808:39
chrisccoulsonand gnome-screensaver continues with the SetCrtcGamma calls, which complete successfully but have no effect on the gamma on the inactive VT08:39
chrisccoulsonso,08:40
chrisccoulsonwe need some way for gnome-screensaver to signal that it has finished fading :)08:40
chrisccoulsonor revert the fading mechanism to what we had in karmic, which didn't seem to have this problem08:40
chrisccoulson^^pitti - what do you think is more appropriate for a SRU? :)08:43
pittiNafai: alias kvmtest='kvm -m 768 -drive if=virtio,index=0,boot=on,file=$HOME/download/kvm-images/test.img'08:49
Nafaipitti: thanks muchly09:01
pittichrisccoulson: ah, wb09:07
chrisccoulsonhey pitti, how are you today?09:07
pittichrisccoulson: I just responded/subscribed to bug 54657809:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 546578 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati "[RS480] black screen after a few user switches" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54657809:07
pittichrisccoulson: I'm great, thanks!09:07
chrisccoulsonthanks09:07
chrisccoulsonpitti - i've not seen the issue with suspend, but on user switching09:09
chrisccoulsoni'm not sure if it's the same issue on sleep09:09
pittichrisccoulson: ah, sorry; but same reasoning with waiting until VT change, probably?09:09
pittichrisccoulson: or just disable the fading :)09:09
chrisccoulsonyeah, possibly09:09
chrisccoulsonpitti - lucid uses a new mechanism for fading (xrandr)09:10
pittiah, and karmic just repainted the screen?09:10
chrisccoulsoni was just wondering if we could revert back to the old method (which is still used as a fallback for devices which don't support xrandr)09:10
pittii. e. it didn't actually finish until the vt change?09:10
pittichrisccoulson: it seems reasonable, too09:11
chrisccoulsonpitti - i think the old fading method still worked on the inactive VT, but i'd need to verify that just to make sure09:11
* pitti -> back to session09:11
chrisccoulsonbut it would be an easy change to revert the fading mechanism to what was used before09:11
chrisccoulsonthanks :)09:11
brycehchrisccoulson, cool, we should get together with RAOF to discuss this09:24
chrisccoulsonbryceh - yeah, can do. i will try and work out whether the old xf86vidmode gamma fade had this issue, because we only noticed it when gnome-screensaver moved to xrandr fade09:25
chrisccoulsonso hopefully reverting that will just fix it for now :)09:25
brycehyeah09:25
brycehsounds sane for an sru, hopefully whatever the xrandr issue can be solved for MM09:26
brycehRAOF and I are in the kernel version session09:26
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huatsmorning !11:00
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chrisccoulsonpitti - i can recreate the ATA errors every time i connect the power cord14:07
chrisccoulsonand i still get them without acpi-support14:07
pittichrisccoulson: blergh14:22
pittichrisccoulson: can you rename /lib/udev/rules.d/85-hdparm.rules to .disabled and check again?14:23
pittichrisccoulson: or try to chmod 0 /usr/sbin/pm-powersave14:23
chrisccoulsonit seems to be pm-powersave which does itr14:25
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chrisccoulsonpitti - it is specifically /usr/lib/pm-utils/power.d/powersave-policy-sata-link-power which triggers my ATA errors15:37
chrisccoulsonwhich has your name in it ;)15:37
crimsunchrisccoulson: that begins to sound like a hw/linux issue, not a pm-utils or pm-utils-powersave-policy thing15:38
chrisccoulsoncrimsun - yeah, possibly15:38
crimsuni.e., we probably need to quirk your hw15:38
chrisccoulsonbut at least i have a trigger now :)15:39
chrisccoulson`echo "max_performance" | sudo tee /sys/class/scsi_host/host1/link_power_management_policy` is what is triggering it15:42
chrisccoulsonso, yeah, sounds very much like a kernel issue15:42
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cjohnstonkenvandine: ping16:42
kenvandinehey cjohnston16:45
cjohnstonHey.. Can we meet?16:45
kenvandinesure, got a bug? :)16:45
cjohnstonyes16:45
kenvandineok, where are you?16:45
cjohnstonpalissandre16:46
kenvandineok, session almost done here16:47
kenvandinewant to go meet by the break area in ~10m?16:48
cjohnstonokie.. thanks16:48
kenvandinecool16:48
cjohnstondownstairs?16:48
kenvandineyeah16:51
kenvandineactually i am heading down there now16:51
kenvandineso whenever16:51
cjohnstonok16:51
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sash_hello everyone. lool from #ubuntu-mobile told me that mterry or didrocks from here could help me.18:31
sash_well, i am trying to package netbook-launcher in fedora, some libraries, too. because of a change in ld's behaviour (read http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ChangeInImplicitDSOLinking and http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UnderstandingDSOLinkChange if interested), it is not linkable by using default ./configure && make18:33
sash_i did ./configure && make LDFLAGS="--libs /lib/libm.so.6 /usr/lib/libXau.so.6" or change this is in my .spec-file18:36
sash_that works, but should be in the configure-script imho, because also without the new behaviour, it is not wrong ;)18:36
bochechasash_, you're building netbook launcher for Fedora? Awesome! I'm building Unity for Fedora, we could probably use each other's help :)18:40
sash_bochecha: yes, i try. also have to package some libs.18:40
bochechawhich ones?18:41
bochechahere's what I'm building: https://edge.launchpad.net/~canonical-dx-team/+archive/une/+packages18:41
bochechais there any intersection with what you're doing?18:41
LaserJockI don't think Unity uses much from the older UNE interface (what the heck do we name that?)18:44
didrockssash_: bochecha: can see next week, after UDS? I'll try to get some free time for you guys ;)18:46
sash_bochecha: libclutk, libclutk-dev, liblauncher, liblauncher-dev, libnetbook-launcher as i see18:46
bochechadidrocks, sure, I'm getting somewhere anyway ;)18:46
sash_didrocks: of course ;)18:47
didrocksgreat :)18:47
LaserJocksash_: are you going to be interested in the applets (go-home and window-picker) too?18:47
sash_yes18:47
sash_i want to have the whole netbook-remix in fedora18:48
sash_bochecha: its no official project yet. need to make the accounts. didnt package anything yet18:49
LaserJocksash_: good luck, it would be cool to see on Fedora18:52
sash_to be able to build netbook-launcher i converted the libs with alien, because i was lazy and just wanted to build netbook-launcher and it does build. i also packaged it in an rpm, but its not really installable yet ;)18:53
bochechasash_, some of the bits of the old UNE are already in Fedora btw, like maximus or the window-picker applet18:55
sash_yes, i saw that18:55
bochechasash_, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=48442318:57
ubottubugzilla.redhat.com bug 484423 in Package Review "Review Request: netbook-launcher - A clutter-based desktop launcher" [Medium,Assigned]18:57
bochechanetbook-launcher was already submitted, it's being reviewed18:57
sash_bochecha: seen, how old ;)18:57
bochechayeah, but at least you don't have to start everything from scratch18:58
sash_bochecha: i also stay in contact to cwickert, who reviewed it, and he will review mine, too. and i have to start from scratch. 1st point is ld in f13, second the netbook-launcher-version18:59
sash_ok, i used the specfile...19:14
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bochechaanyone would have a minute to review this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/liblauncher/+bug/58019422:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 580194 in liblauncher "liblauncher doesn't build on Fedora 13 (implicit DSO linking)" [Undecided,New]22:10
bochechapatch is attached22:10

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