=== nixternal is now known as nixternal_droid === nixternal_droid is now known as nixternal_htc === nixternal_htc is now known as nixternal [02:31] nixternal can't come up w/ a good name? [02:47] jjesse: nah, just registering 2 nicks for my phone [02:48] haha [02:49] so bored [05:41] neversfelde: congrats.. but shouldnt that be MOTU ? or is MOTO something else? [05:42] apachelogger: oh btw got a sec? === JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: UDS | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-M/RemoteParticipation | http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/ | http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/05/10/uds-for-amarok/ | Congratulations to neversfelde for making MOTU \o \o o/ o/ \o/ \o/ [07:37] apachelogger: would you happen to know of any particular reason why akonadi build-deps on mysql-server-core-5.1? [07:37] in debian [07:37] (I'm merging) [07:42] oh, no, that's us according to DEBIAN-KUBUNTU-DIFFERENCES? [07:42] ah, ok. gotcha. I'll leave that bit be ;) [07:42] * maco wonders if jon the taco is talking to himself [07:49] It's a necessity when one is merging things before 9:00 AM in a hotel :P [07:51] apachelogger: I do have a another question that I don't see an answer for in debian/control. You have a line in debian/rules that looks like it does the same thing as 02_hardcode_debian_notmysqld_path.diff [07:52] which debian renamed to 02_hardcode_debian_mysqld_path.diff in this release [07:52] haha [07:53] apachelogger: so I'm wondering if you renamed that patch on purpose in favor of the debian/rules line, or if debian just named it weirdly in the past [07:55] apachelogger: I have to leave for the airport in 2 hours, so I'll probably just re-ask this all when I get back :P [08:43] hehe... well now the topic is corrected : [08:48] kubotu: np [08:48] shadeslayer hasn't played anything recently [08:50] and till yesterday you showed me what i played 3 months ago :P [08:52] oh wait === shadeslayer is now known as shadeslayer_ === shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer [08:58] ah finally [08:58] kubotu: np [08:58] shadeslayer_ is listening to "ACDC - Highway To Hell - 01 - Highway To Hell" by AC/DC -- see http://www.last.fm/user/shadeslayer_ for more [09:01] hahahah .... amarok in gnome has a miniscule icon.. its not even a icon by standards :P [09:02] just a empty vertical bar.... === yofel_ is now known as yofel [09:43] it's... spec time! https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuMaverickKPackagekitUsability [09:56] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuMaverickKPackagekitAppStore [10:01] has kpackagekit stopped its crashing problem? [10:01] my kpackagekit wound hasn't yet healed [10:02] :-) === sebas_ is now known as sebas [11:01] Riddell: are you at UDS? [11:09] shadeslayer: yes I'm at UDS [11:09] shadeslayer: do you know if there's any rekonq release schedule? [11:09] Riddell: cool,i just wanted to the status of rekonq :) [11:09] Riddell: ah yes theres a roadmap,but schedule is decided by adjam [11:10] Riddell: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/rekonq/Roadmap [11:11] Riddell: lionel__ may have some info about the release schedule :) [11:12] about the schedule I don't know [11:12] but about the features [11:12] we are finishing the urlbar [11:12] 0.5 will come soon [11:12] and after [11:13] txwikinger: http://gitorious.org/~nikhilm/rekonq/nikhilms-mainline/commits/extensions [11:13] 0.6 will be a "fix" release [11:13] txwikinger: thats the plugin integration,unofficial though [11:13] thanks shadeslayer [11:14] no problem :) [11:14] for an exact schedule, we must ask to Andrea [11:14] lionel__, shadeslayer: do you know what happened to the "clear" button in the address bar [11:15] it will be reintroduce I think [11:15] It has been removed in order to implements buttons at the right of the bar (rss for example) [11:15] an other possibility [11:15] it select the text [11:16] when we click in the bar [11:16] by default [11:16] I am not clear, I hope you understand [11:22] lionel__: yes I understand, I'd certainly like to see it come back [11:40] dantti: ping [11:40] are you aware of the common print dialog session? [11:40] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonPrintingDialog [11:41] last session of today [11:41] in Mahogany [11:41] think it would be useful if you went to that session and also looked at that spec page for where this stuff is going... it could affect you and your work with printer dialog [11:45] shtylman: pong [11:46] shtylman: I'm aware, unfurtunatly I'm won't be able to be there [11:46] I have to go to the airport at 6pm [11:46] no 4pm [11:48] dantti: hm... :( [11:48] shtylman: will you be able to be there? [11:48] well... the spec will be there [11:48] I was gonna go to the chromium session... just out of interest... but I can go to that session instead [11:48] because there is an item there that is wrong [11:48] and see where they are with this stuff and whatnot [11:49] what item is that? [11:49] shtylman, dantti: that's unrelated to dantti's printing stuff. dantti is doing printer status and config tools. common print dialogue is the File->Print dialogue [11:49] Riddell: right... I am aware [11:49] I'm going to the common print dialogue session anyway [11:49] shtylman: no actually wrong but it's a drive problem Laura has an Epson printer... [11:49] but it is still "relevant" knowledge [11:49] but I doubt common print dialogue will get anywhere, it's been in progress for the last 4 years [11:50] Riddell: ahh ok [11:50] hahah [11:50] right, I just would like to be sure that if they mention about ink levels their efforts go to fixing the drivers to export through cups and not integrating in system-config-printer [11:51] gotcha [11:51] makes sense [11:52] :) and it's easier (also because I already support that) [11:52] no "I" the printer stuff :P [12:49] * Riddell reads http://www.linux.com/news/embedded-mobile/netbooks/308465:five-best-linux-netbook-oses-for-now and notes that https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Netbook needs updated [12:52] Riddell: have you seen the Archos 9 ? [12:52] nope [12:52] hold on... [12:53] http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/13/archos-7-home-tablet-review/ [12:53] Riddell: ^^ [12:54] Just replace the resistive touchscreen with a capacitive one,and the ability to dual boot between android and kubuntu and we have a winner [12:59] just what we need to test Ubuntu Liquid/Kubuntu Mobile [12:59] :) [12:59] shadeslayer: what's wrong with a resistive touchscreen? [13:00] Riddell: see the video :P [13:00] yoll know whats wrong xD [13:00] *youll [13:01] Riddell: oh and btw can we haz a update to plasma-widget-networkmanagement? the current one does not connect to WEP [13:02] in maverick we will yes [13:02] Riddell: in lucid... [13:03] maybe a SRU or something? neither kde network manager nor the plasmoid work with WEP networks [13:03] I suspect they do, we had plenty people test it, it's probably only one of the various types of WEP connections which you are unfortunate enough to have [13:04] hmm.. well i have a 128 bit passphrase WEP network.. [13:04] Riddell: known bug : https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-network-manager/+bug/453260 [13:05] and this still happens for people... [13:05] Launchpad bug 453260 in plasma-widget-network-manager "Can not connect using WEP ASCII keys" [Medium,Fix released] [13:06] poke agateau into test when he gets back home, he wrote the original support [13:08] okies === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [15:03] spec! https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuMaverickWebBrowser [15:08] the only decent web browser is Firefox [15:09] well, that's constructive. [15:09] Firefox + KDE integration patches should be the default web browser [15:11] the force-firefox-to-use-kde's-theme stuff doesnt actually work that great though...the menus get a bit "eh" ... is there actually any integration other than the theme when you add "kde integration"? [15:14] EagleScreen: the only decent browsers are those which use webkit ( or whatever chrome uses ) :P [15:14] KDE ntegration patches add KDE dialogs for save and open files [15:14] add KDE notification fo downloads [15:15] and with kcm-gtk, the theme is good enought [15:15] EagleScreen: patching is just a quickfix for bugs which will eventually be fixed in upstream [15:15] EagleScreen: use ff if you like,no ones forcing you [15:16] stupid cafe wifi.... [15:17] be realist, Firefox is the only good browser, users dont like to use it, userse NEED to use it [15:17] EagleScreen: hahahaha [15:17] there is too many webs broken for Konqueror, Rekonq, Arora... [15:17] EagleScreen: actually disagree w/ you on this, FF is a resource hog, especially on a netbook [15:17] EagleScreen: chrome > rekonq > FF ( for KDE ) [15:18] although since chrome doesnt integrate nicely and isnt a Qt app i favour rekonq [15:18] -although [15:18] too many webs broken for Rekonq [15:19] all webs working for Firefox [15:19] EagleScreen: eventually our kde ff package will contain more patches and less of actual ff code [15:19] that is the question [15:19] EagleScreen: uh which rekonq version and site? [15:19] since everything works here,im on a git build and 99pc of the sites work... [15:20] which is true FF as well... [15:20] i could give a good list with some minuties of testing [15:20] EagleScreen: ok gimme one [15:20] lets see whats broken [15:20] right now the wifi is really really bad.. but ill try :) [15:21] shadeslayer: there are broken sites with rekonq [15:21] \o/ rekonq just surpassed chromium in opening a page :P [15:21] lionel__: like i said 1 pc [15:21] no there are several very used websites [15:22] that are broken [15:22] very used for you? [15:22] lionel__: btw do we use kpart? [15:22] EagleScreen: well most of the sites i use work.. gmail,vimeo,youtube,etc [15:22] yes [15:22] lionel__: ok... nsm was asking :) [15:22] most if the sites I use are broken [15:23] but It needs to be fixed [15:23] there are more persons like you than like me? [15:23] how can we know? [15:23] the problem in osme cases is webkit engine, and in other cases is rekonq itself [15:24] ok [15:24] rekonq 0.4.0 is valid for you? [15:25] EagleScreen: im on 0.4.68 [15:25] is here much difference? [15:27] yes... [15:27] ok, installing 0.4.68+git [15:27] for eg. CNN videos play here [15:27] http://ubuntuone.com/p/3jE/ [15:28] EagleScreen: look im not saying rekonq doesnt need work,it does,alot of it [15:28] it is better than konqueror roght now [15:28] but very poorer thanFirefox [15:28] EagleScreen: yes [15:29] um both are good in their own respect [15:29] Riddell: ping [15:29] Riddell: CNN Vids working here : http://ubuntuone.com/p/3jE/ [15:30] Internal Server Error <-- http://ubuntuone.com/p/3jE/ [15:30] EagleScreen: try a refresh [15:30] the problem with yahoo is genuine though [15:30] refresh not working [15:31] http://ubuntuone.com/p/3jE/ [15:31] :P... same thing here now :) [15:32] EagleScreen: Riddell http://imagebin.ca/view/tcCk4YPM.html [15:33] i ma now in rekonq 0.4.68+git [15:33] EagleScreen: ok,where did you get that btw? [15:34] rekonq-daily ppa? [15:34] yes [15:34] ok good enough [15:34] EagleScreen: try now... [15:34] first site not working: www.tuenti.com [15:35] 2nd site: www.policia.es [15:35] i think theres a known bug about this site on bugs.kde [15:36] EagleScreen: 2 sites out of.... [15:37] EagleScreen: but konqueror has always been our browser so going to konqueror's successor makes sense [15:37] 3rd www.hotmail.com [15:37] by the way, why the heck do the kubuntu shipit cd sleeve talk about firefox and the music store? [15:37] maco: 10.04 ? [15:37] * maco giggles at the ide aof linux users on hotmail [15:37] shadeslayer: yes [15:37] maco: canonicals trying to make some moolah [15:38] shadeslayer: i can understand ubuntu sleeves mentioning them, but kubuntu doesnt have those [15:38] maco: yeah i lol'd when i saw Hotmail needs special case user agent [15:38] probably the same sleeve just changed the cover? [15:38] maco: i havent recieved my CD's yet... :( [15:38] jjesse: replaced orange with blue and added a extra k [15:39] 4th www.lacaixa.es [15:39] i can continue all day... [15:40] shadeslayer: you're right, cnn does work, must have been a demo syndrone bug during the session [15:41] Riddell: theres a dialog box that pops up about AJAX and if you click ok the video plays [15:41] EagleScreen: whats the error on no. 4? [15:41] seems to be working here [15:43] jjesse: yeah looks like s/ubuntu/kubuntu/g [15:43] maco: do they have the sleeves online? [15:43] dunno [15:43] i grabbed some cds at a lug meeting [15:43] :D [15:43] and forced an ubuntu and a kubuntu cd upon my dad because he *still* hasnt switched [15:44] maco: same goes for my friends and teachers here :P [15:44] i teased him a bit while i was giving my talk at the lug [15:44] Riddell: what needs to be added to the wiki is Ctrl+Enter support in URLbar [15:45] shadeslayer: you wont see the operation menus; if you try to do a money transaction, browser crash ( i think webkit issue) [15:46] shadeslayer: what should that do? [15:46] because i mentioned cases where installers had broken windows bootability on dualboots but left linux intact (um like lucid...or like when dapper ate ntfs for breakfast) and some folks said "so? who needs windows?" and my dad was there so "well if youve got someone like my dad who still hasnt switched, and by teh way he's sitting right *point* there..." [15:46] Riddell: like type google and press Ctrl+Enter to automatically add www. and .com [15:46] and go to google.com.... like chromium [15:47] 5th https://www.ucm.es/campusvirtual/CVUCM/index.php [15:48] maco: hehehe [15:49] ok got another one : http://ubuntuone.com/p/3jB/ [15:49] works in chromium :P [15:50] ubuntuone is not supported.. canonical wont go ahead with this... *run_for_cover* [15:50] jk [15:52] http://ubuntuone.com/p/3jB/ is a beautiful vid btw... timelapse,taken from http://vimeo.com/channels/hd#11673745 [15:56] ScottK: I made a start on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuMaverickPlasmaNetbookConfig do fill it in with anything else from that session which I can't remember just now (can't find a gobby document for it either) [15:56] Riddell: Thanks. [16:09] hahahaaha : http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/chromium-daily-shifts-buttons-to-left.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed:+d0od+(Omg!+Ubuntu!) [16:09] this is why we dont have chromium in kubuntu :P [16:22] python-- [16:25] 2010-05-14 17:25:03,559 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.ActionQueue - ERROR - The request 'oauth_authenticate' failed with the error: [16:25] 'str' object has no attribute 'key' [16:25] \o/ [16:26] runtime issues ftw [16:27] evilshadeslayer: it doesn't switch buttons at all here, so only on Ubuntu probably [16:29] ah [16:29] * apachelogger just found the apparent wrongness [16:33] * apachelogger spoke too soon === evilshadeslayer is now known as evilshadeslayer_ [17:21] ScottK: KNR made the news, http://www.linux.com/news/embedded-mobile/netbooks/308465:five-best-linux-netbook-oses-for-now [17:35] ryanakca: Thanks. [18:35] Would someone please unsubscribe ubuntu-sponsors from bug 572657 [18:35] Launchpad bug 572657 in minitube "Minitube package needs to depend on phonon-backend-gstreamer, gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg and gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/572657 [18:39] neversfelde: well, they can do that themselves [18:40] Mamarok: I want to make sure, that this is not uploaded [18:41] oh qpointers [18:41] sweet [18:45] neversfelde: unsubbed [18:45] thank you [18:46] I have a friend on the phone who can't select anything in the grub menu, his keyboard doesn't work untill Kubuntu starts [18:46] any idea how to debug that? [18:46] is it usb? [18:46] yes [18:46] if so he needs to ensure his bios is set to support that [18:47] what in the bios? He has a dual boot installation, the keyboard worked on Windowa [18:47] grub does not do drivers AFAIK [18:47] so the keyboard must be made working by the bios [18:48] if it fails to do, the keyboard will not be working [18:48] or do I misunderstand the problem? [18:49] what I don't understand is that it does not allow to select Grub entries, there must be a way to activate a keyboard by default, the first time I hear that oyu need to change something in the BIOS [18:50] I have done many Linux installations, never ever seen that happening, seriously, why wouldn't there be a keyboard available by default? [18:51] because bios is made out of crap and probably even worse than python [18:51] heh [18:51] when bios was created usb was not even around [18:51] Mamarok: some BIOSes will only speak to PS/2 keyboards unless you toggle a setting [18:51] so ultimately usb support for biosses is an expansion [18:51] still, that is something I have never senn in 10+ years on Linux [18:51] Mamarok: that has nothing to do with linux [18:51] its not a linux thing though...its just a stupid-hardware thing [18:52] aight [18:52] wait, the PS/2 keyboard doesn't work either [18:52] oh :( [18:52] we tried with a USB keyboard and a PS/2 keyboard [18:52] so there is something wrong elsewhere, not the BIOS [18:54] only thing that comes to mind is fast boot stuff [18:54] Mamarok: did he run windows before? [18:54] the time out is set to 5 seconds [18:54] or was it not operational ever [18:55] he did a dual boot isntallation today [18:55] * apachelogger notes that some biosses support some weird bit to be set by windows which then renders the keyboard disfunctional under some circumstances ... only have seen that with laptops though [19:02] riight, I think I found the problem: both are PS/2 keyboards, one is a wireless one, so the infrared driver is not loaded in Grub [19:02] any ideas if this is planed for grub2? [19:03] the other one works. He just wrongly told me it was USB [19:26] Should rekonq bugs be filed in the kde tracker? [19:33] txwikinger: yep [19:34] Mamarok: I do not think that will ever happen... grub does not do drivers [19:34] what the bios does not manage to initialize the grub will not be able to access [19:35] of course i am not involved with grub development, so I am probably no good person to listen to ^^ === apachelogger is now known as electrolysis [21:49] is there an overview about what was decided on UDS for Maverick somewhere, yet? === electrolysis is now known as PyObjectPtr [21:58] neversfelde: usually we have a meeting after UDS to discuss the specs [21:58] also a list of all specs should be published soonish somewhere [21:58] each spec then basically concludes what was decided [21:59] PyObjectPtr: but that is not fast enough, I am bored right now [21:59] neversfelde: you can inspect kubuntu-maverick-* on gobby.ubuntu.com (using gobby obviously) [21:59] or search the wiki for specs having maverick in their name [22:00] no gobby [22:00] I am not sure they are all specd up already [22:01] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100514210100-nmhtfmonx6yvkiyw * (18 files in 5 dirs) Merege with login branch: new application ubuntuone-auth, exposting com.ubuntuone.Authentication to D-Bus [22:02] neversfelde: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/10.10/Specs although it needs tidying up [22:03] I can only find specs written by a HaraldSitter, I am not sure, if I can trust them :) [22:03] Riddell: thanks [22:07] as far as I can see no one talked about digikam/kipi, so I will ask Lure, if he is still busy and if so, I can have a look at the necessary MIRs for kipi [22:07] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100514210720-vrrtade8pgbpu36s * data/ (3 files) Remove workaround for broken gnome-keyring now that we have working KWallet based auth. [22:07] aye we didn't talk about them [22:09] u1-kde is at 1635 SLOC === yofel_ is now known as yofel [22:13] sweet [22:14] u1-kde can now also initialize u1 without support from the gnome side of things [22:14] !kubotu np [22:14] Sorry, I don't know anything about kubotu np [22:14] mhh [22:14] neversfelde: ~np or kubotu: np [22:14] ~np [22:14] neversfelde is listening to "Wig-Wam Bam" by Sweet [The Best of Sweet, 1997] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/neversfelde for more [22:14] sweet [22:25] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100514212545-ck211r0sslxw6rre * src/auth/AccessToken.cpp Fix hardcoded hostname ;) [23:24] aha! [23:24] * PyObjectPtr has no clue how to use a qpointer properly [23:24] -.- [23:31] ... wait for it ... :P [23:31] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100514223135-u73ulla3fegvbg7c * src/libs/SyncDaemon.cpp Fix realm [23:32] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100514223203-zabh1pvgfbto21fs * src/auth/AuthApplication.cpp Do not login by default [23:32] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100514223237-lv4pxp4girzgk1dq * src/auth/AccessToken.cpp Fix writing of oauth access token (use expected format for syncdaemon) [23:33] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100514223325-j7zk73fxwjjhwjl7 * src/auth/AuthHandler.cpp Do not delete the accessToken objects for the time being ... I do not know how to use them properly -> segfault :((( [23:34] * PyObjectPtr holds back on the kcm commits for now ;) [23:38] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100514223805-fqaopzg9qmgw21s6 * syncd-kwallet.patch Add patch to make syncdaemon kwalletier [23:44] * debfx requests that kdepimlibs5-dev depends on boost [23:49] the rate apachelogger is committing, and in the same area back-to-back, he is hacking!!! "Here, let's try this.........Damn, segfault, here try this.........Damn oauth token is now broke, hrmm try this...." [23:50] oh, he is using bzr with that stupid cia plug that echos every commit and not the push