[15:26] <rlameiro> scott-work: we really need to tackle the network bug ASAP
[15:27] <scott-work> rlameiro: i might be wrong but i don't think it's in our hands right now
[15:27] <rlameiro> I just helped now a fellow teacher in the music school to install the network
[15:27] <rlameiro> the cd thing doesnt works easyly
[15:27] <scott-work> and those with the clout to persuade those responsible are at the UDS probably
[15:27] <rlameiro> I needed to comment the lines from the internet to install it, and then i only installed a package at a time....
[15:28] <rlameiro> definitively not easy to make as a first user or tech unaware...
[15:29]  * rlameiro remebers now he forgot to uncomment the apt-sources list.... 
[15:29] <scott-work> in the bug Milan mentioned the core devs being responsible and it is assigned to a "lucid - updates" milestone
[15:30] <scott-work> i agree it's not friendly for the first time user, but hopefully from this release forward we shouldn't see this problem again
[15:32] <scott-work> but i also notice that it has an importance of "high" so hopefully the bug will be addressed shortly after they begin to work on the lucid updates
[15:36] <rlameiro> scott-work: well, maybe is the best place to push for it :D
[15:37] <scott-work> apparently "ubuntu desktop" is the maintainer for "gnome-system-tools" and I'm not sure whom within that group is directly responsible for this application
[15:38] <scott-work> we would also need to directly talk with The.Muso, juss.i or per.sia while they are at UDS
[15:38] <scott-work> i wouldn't expect lucid updates to begin in earnest until after the UDS
[15:39] <scott-work> so i would suggest we wait until after the UDS to try to push this effort
[15:40] <scott-work> but you should do what you feel is appropriate
[15:40] <rlameiro> well, i hope it is possible to respin the isos...
[15:43] <rlameiro> scott-work: well, we must wait, but as this is a LTS, the ISO needs to be as stable and Bug free as possible, hence my concern
[15:46] <scott-work> rlameiro: you are correct that this would be an extreme problem with a new install for an uninitiated user
[15:46] <scott-work> i cannot comment on respinning the ISO, i will defer to others about the potential for this
[15:46] <scott-work> rlameiro: but would you be willing to create a wiki page about correcting the problem and email the mailing list and post on the forums about it?
[15:47] <rlameiro> the problem here, is that there is no other solution, you do need to have it working, because all the other possible solutions would need networking
[15:47] <rlameiro> scott-work: i would, but i dont know how to fix it...
[15:48] <scott-work> i thought you had installed network manager from the disc and used it instead?
[15:48] <scott-work> it is also possible to edit /etc/network/interfaces by hand
[15:49] <scott-work> in the bug Milan also suggested "install nm-applet (network-manager-gnome) package, and maybe run it using 'nm-applet' "
[15:50] <astraljava> Before NetworkManager has been measured again, I'd suggest editing /etc/network/interfaces by hand. It's not _that_ hard. :)
[15:51] <rlameiro> oh, a work around, well i could try to do it but at the moment i am a little bit busy finishing my final works for the Uni
[15:52] <rlameiro> astraljava: yea, true, i did that, but you need a wired network.... configuring wireless like that is no easy task
[15:59] <scott-work> this really makes me wonder about our user's hardware (i.e. desktop or laptop) and how their connecting to the internet
[15:59]  * scott-work suspects more and more users are using laptops (with firewire audio) and wireless for internet
[16:04] <rlameiro> well, the teacher i just helped was using a laptop
[16:04] <rlameiro> and he uses a 3G connection device(usb) one, so he really needs the network manager
[16:06] <astraljava> Yeah, I hate it when you can't get it working with plain wvdial or something.