[15:26] scott-work: we really need to tackle the network bug ASAP [15:27] rlameiro: i might be wrong but i don't think it's in our hands right now [15:27] I just helped now a fellow teacher in the music school to install the network [15:27] the cd thing doesnt works easyly [15:27] and those with the clout to persuade those responsible are at the UDS probably [15:27] I needed to comment the lines from the internet to install it, and then i only installed a package at a time.... [15:28] definitively not easy to make as a first user or tech unaware... [15:29] * rlameiro remebers now he forgot to uncomment the apt-sources list.... [15:29] in the bug Milan mentioned the core devs being responsible and it is assigned to a "lucid - updates" milestone [15:30] i agree it's not friendly for the first time user, but hopefully from this release forward we shouldn't see this problem again [15:32] but i also notice that it has an importance of "high" so hopefully the bug will be addressed shortly after they begin to work on the lucid updates [15:36] scott-work: well, maybe is the best place to push for it :D [15:37] apparently "ubuntu desktop" is the maintainer for "gnome-system-tools" and I'm not sure whom within that group is directly responsible for this application [15:38] we would also need to directly talk with The.Muso, juss.i or per.sia while they are at UDS [15:38] i wouldn't expect lucid updates to begin in earnest until after the UDS [15:39] so i would suggest we wait until after the UDS to try to push this effort [15:40] but you should do what you feel is appropriate [15:40] well, i hope it is possible to respin the isos... [15:43] scott-work: well, we must wait, but as this is a LTS, the ISO needs to be as stable and Bug free as possible, hence my concern [15:46] rlameiro: you are correct that this would be an extreme problem with a new install for an uninitiated user [15:46] i cannot comment on respinning the ISO, i will defer to others about the potential for this [15:46] rlameiro: but would you be willing to create a wiki page about correcting the problem and email the mailing list and post on the forums about it? [15:47] the problem here, is that there is no other solution, you do need to have it working, because all the other possible solutions would need networking [15:47] scott-work: i would, but i dont know how to fix it... [15:48] i thought you had installed network manager from the disc and used it instead? [15:48] it is also possible to edit /etc/network/interfaces by hand [15:49] in the bug Milan also suggested "install nm-applet (network-manager-gnome) package, and maybe run it using 'nm-applet' " [15:50] Before NetworkManager has been measured again, I'd suggest editing /etc/network/interfaces by hand. It's not _that_ hard. :) [15:51] oh, a work around, well i could try to do it but at the moment i am a little bit busy finishing my final works for the Uni [15:52] astraljava: yea, true, i did that, but you need a wired network.... configuring wireless like that is no easy task [15:59] this really makes me wonder about our user's hardware (i.e. desktop or laptop) and how their connecting to the internet [15:59] * scott-work suspects more and more users are using laptops (with firewire audio) and wireless for internet [16:04] well, the teacher i just helped was using a laptop [16:04] and he uses a 3G connection device(usb) one, so he really needs the network manager [16:06] Yeah, I hate it when you can't get it working with plain wvdial or something.