[00:01] Hi [00:01] Need help here [00:01] I dont have sound in YouTube [00:23] Wow. He stuck around for three whole minutes [00:23] Must be new to Linux ;) [00:32] lol arthurjohnson [03:15] Anyine assisting here? [03:19] someoen said the xubuntu bug maintainers wern't doing as much of a good job === m00se is now known as `mOOse` === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [04:19] I know there is a wiki page on live cd customization but it only has instructions for gnome; I am interested in doing some refinements (different theme defaults etc) on a remix of xubuntu I'm working on [04:19] does anyone have any insight? === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [05:57] hey ho. Is there a "small" release of xubuntu? I want to install Xorg and Chrome, and that's pretty much it. [05:57] (on a 1.3GHz P3 with 512Mb memory, no CDROM, and 10Gb drive.) [05:57] And yes, it has USB, though I don't know if that's bootable yet. [05:58] there is not a specific image for a small release, no. [05:58] hm. So I'm stuck with 610Mb for the iso then... *sigh* [05:58] You could use the alternate image and do a minimal installation, which lets you decide which packages to install [05:58] Viking667, try slitaz [05:59] its also LXDE-based, but its only got a 30mb iso too [05:59] Does it support running Chrome and Flash? [06:00] Viking667, dunno, comes with that midori web browser [06:26] m. [06:26] Okay, thanks. I guess I can replace it, but I have to hope that Chrome works. [06:57] any suggestions for a stand-alone calendar to replace 'sunbird'? [06:58] orage? [06:58] cal -y ? [06:58] Yeah, been trying hard to like orage, but it just don't work [06:58] osmo? [06:58] dates? [07:01] Thanks. I will take a look at osmo again, and cal -y is the one I never think about [07:56] charlie-tca, I've not found a single stand alone calendar that I've liked. I tend to use Evolution for just about everything... [07:57] I use claws-mail, but the calendar plugin crashes everytime I click on the calendar [07:57] ouch [07:57] I really like sunbird, but they have discontinued it [07:57] really? [07:58] yeah [07:58] replaced by thunderbird with lightning [07:58] that was gonna be second question [07:58] and lightning doesn't appear to be a stand-alone [07:58] well since they've done that, have they actually a port to x64 yet? [07:58] no, it's not [07:59] :-( [07:59] hi. the xfce4 panel often covers windows border in 10.04 . Is there a way to solve that? thanks [07:59] I liked thunderbird with lightning... pissed me off when they didnt have an x64 in the repos though [07:59] faLUCE: not that I know of [08:00] faLUCE, come again? [08:00] syn-ack: :) [08:00] I've never had that issue, myself [08:00] syn-ack: it depends on the application [08:00] examples? [08:00] some java applications, some wine applications [08:01] ah [08:01] I don't think that's so much an issue with the panel... I know what you're talking about now [08:01] syn-ack: it has something to do with xfce4 [08:02] anyway, the same problem did not occour in the previous xubuntu [08:02] you file a bug or anything yet? are there similar bugs? [08:02] faLUCE: packages usually update between releases [08:02] charlie-tca: I have already update packages [08:03] That's why it did not occur in previous release. the package updated [08:04] May I reask my question as to whether or not you filed a bug on that? [08:04] I have not. I don't see the issue here [08:04] charlie-tca: yes, this is clear. but what is strange is that this adds a strong bug... as said some days ago, there are several ugly bugs in this release; look at the thunar bug (which I solved, meanwhile)... it's really strange [08:05] charlie-tca, sorry, that was meant for faLUCE [08:05] charlie-tca, I think it's a non issue as well... [08:05] syn-ack: no, I didn't file it, because I don't know exactly how to reproduce it [08:06] I still don't think it's an issue with the DE. I think it may be more of a WiNE issue and opJDK display issue [08:06] openJDK too [08:06] syn-ack: since it did not occour in the previous versionS of xubuntu, it's a problem of xfce [08:07] but it won't get fixed without a bug report [08:07] You do realise that more than just XFCE gets updated, right? [08:07] I mean, I don't mean argue points here, but I think you need to quite a bit more digging before you lay the blame on one particular thing [08:08] syn-ack: yes, but it's reasonable that it's associated with xfce [08:08] It's also reasonable that its associated with something else too [08:08] faLUCE: not if it doesn't happen outside of wine and openjdk [08:09] It might be caused by the new gtk package [08:09] charlie-tca: it happens for wine and jdk (not openjdk) [08:09] exactly [08:09] gtk is part of xfce [08:09] That is not the xfce package, then [08:09] So you're running Sun Java [08:09] no [08:09] syn-ack: yes [08:09] gtk is not part of xfce [08:09] charlie-tca: ok, let's say that it's used by xfce [08:10] It is also used by gnome [08:10] xfce is built atop of gtk... its not even remotely a part of it [08:10] and LXDE [08:10] and a TON of other products [08:10] GTK is a completely separate package from xfce. The xfce developers do not touch it [08:11] charlie-tca: yes, I see that, but anyway the two packages work together [08:11] faLUCE, what charlie-tca and I getting at is that your issue is still premature to determine what is causing the issues. Time to debug [08:11] syn-ack: I know that it's premature [08:12] faLUCE: if the bug is really in gtk, and we send it to xfce, it will never get worked [08:14] man, Pandora uses a lot of CPU... more than I initially thought [08:14] averaging around 20% on top [08:15] hrm [08:15] I wonder if I can nice it out some with out it going nuts on me [08:42] charlie-tca: syn-ack: http://drop.io/pujztbx <---- you can download a program which reproduces the bug. in order to execute it: java -jar TestBugBorder.jar [08:43] Do you have any error messages in ~/.xsession-errors ? [08:44] Sorry, I don't download from untrusted sources [08:44] syn-ack: it's a program made by me [08:44] Exactly. [08:46] charlie-tca: only that (firefox-bin:2963): Gdk-WARNING **: XID collision, trouble ahead [08:47] That's not it [10:08] hey all. I'm having trouble getting Xubuntu onto a machine that hasn't got a CDROM drive, and won't boot from its USB drive. [10:08] Any suggestions aside from hauling the drive out and sticking it in an install machine? [10:09] that would be a hassle [10:09] *nod* [10:09] there is pxe [10:09] !pxe [10:09] It's looking to be the only option I've got left, unless I can get that running. [10:09] !netinstall [10:09] Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall - Don't want to use a CD? See http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate [10:10] Right. I've got a prepared USB stick that I can stick on another machine that can act as the pxe host, would that work? [10:10] I would put the hd in a comp that could boot from cd - it doesn't matter what comp the hd goes in unlike windows [10:11] actually, it does, somewhat. [10:11] whoa [10:11] heyas Viking667 [10:11] The target machine has Intel chipset (and unfortunately, Intel graphics too) [10:11] hi there, syn-ack. [10:11] ltns, huh? [10:11] Tell me about it [10:11] swap the hd from comp to comp - linux doesn't mind at all - and it is easier [10:11] The other machines all have VIA chipsets, and one has ATI radeon vid [10:12] moetunes: I struck that with one other machine I tried to migrate. I didn't know what X server I was supposed to use, now I know it's 81x, thank goodness. [10:13] it is set up at boot time - the comps vid card doesn't matter now - there's no xorg.conf unless you make one [10:13] so, anyhow - I have this USB stick I prepared with usb-creator, I can stick that on a pxe server... [10:14] If you don't want to remove the disk, the only real method albeit time consuming would be to PXE boot it. Though.. if you use a Clonezilla machine it would go by very quickly [10:14] *blink*... darn. I forgot that. [10:14] heh [10:14] no idea what clonezilla is. [10:14] Goodness, that's what. :P [10:14] I'll have to go grab a pxe boot image then, I guess. [10:14] Viking667, Ghost on 'roids, dude. [10:15] and linux determines hardware at boot so swapping between comps is so much easier than pxe imo [10:15] mmmm. not as badly as Windows, true. [10:16] So, do I want to rid myself of a swap partition and start using page files? hrm [10:16] what say you guys? [10:17] errr page file = swap more or less - page file is a windows term [10:17] yeah, I know. ok "swap" file [10:17] in linux we set a partition to do do swap [10:18] shyte. [10:18] yeah, you can use files too. [10:18] moetunes, I've been using linux 13 years now.... I keep up, mate [10:18] this machine has no CDROM drive, no floppy drive, doesn't recognise any USB drives on bootup, and has a network connector, a hard drive, a CPU, and memory. [10:19] yep - with the mem available now if you don't hibernate the is no real need for a swap partition afaik [10:19] It (probably) supports booting from the network, I guess I'm stuck with pxe, except I haven't found it yet. [10:19] syn-ack: and still you ask? [10:20] sure do [10:20] hehe :] [10:20] Viking667, how old is that machine? [10:20] is it a lappy [10:20] and... have you checked for a firmware update? [10:22] not a lappy. It's a Compaq D500 [10:22] ouch [10:22] yuh. [10:22] max of 512Mb memory... [10:22] yeah, that's gonna be tricky but they do support PXE boot [10:22] ...which, luckily for me, it has [10:22] you know the machine, huh? [10:22] yeah [10:22] <- premerger Compaq fanboi... remember. :P [10:22] good. You might be able to walk me through a couple of things on this machine. [10:23] Been a while, but I'll try [10:23] The machine came to me with a dying hard drive with an invalidated install of Windows on... [10:23] ok.. [10:23] Right. I'll do the ltsp-server bit on this machine, I think... might make it easier [10:23] I've got a 10Gb that's slotted in there now... [10:24] give me a couple of minutes to reroute the secondary monitor... [10:24] and power [10:24] you had a Compaq hard disk lying around? [10:24] with the offset pin.. [10:24] uhm, no? [10:25] what year is the bios on boot? [10:25] this drive's uh... can't remember what it was now. [10:25] 2000 or 2001? [10:25] I'll check once I get the power plugged back in. Got a wonderful RED compaq on black background [10:25] 2000 I think, but give me a chance to plug it in. [10:25] at the momen't there's no CMOS battery, that's going to have to wait [10:27] I'm sorry 1999 or 2000... [10:27] crap Missed the date. [10:27] anyway, 2000 is first year post merger, so it's opened up a bit from before then [10:27] ppl are too trained on windows... you can take a linux install from amd h/ware and put the hd in an intel comp and it will boot fine [10:27] you're in luck, the bios "About" screen states copyright of 1998-2001 [10:28] hah [10:28] hah? [10:28] just the dates. :P [10:28] describes itself as a Evo D500 [10:28] sorry, 1982-2001 [10:28] (that's what I meant to say to begin with) [10:29] * syn-ack looks at his Evo D500 sitting to his right [10:29] * Viking667 grins [10:29] Compaq Evo D500 USDT [10:29] it has a Celeron 1300 [10:29] Mine has the P4 2.8 [10:29] system rom says: 686Y1 v1.02 [10:30] and it supports 1 gig ram instead of the half gig of yours [10:30] ooo, lucky you. That's what I've got on this machine (p4) [10:30] but the Compaq just has the Celeron [10:30] 325 or 335? [10:30] or a full P4? [10:30] Full p4 [10:30] even better! [10:31] I'm waiting on a PSU for it. :. [10:31] :/ [10:31] Right. Let me get a ltsp-standalone server installed here. [10:36] the drive's a Fujitsu... [10:36] darn dhcp3 server isn't starting yet... I might have to set it up. [10:39] pxe is pita [10:55] might be, but it seems to be the only way I'll get Linux on this box shy of a disk transfer [10:56] I've already got a dhcp machine set up, I just need the pxeboot image for booting Ubuntu's installer. [10:57] Viking667, that's why I suggested clonezilla [10:59] pxe is pita - why i suggested justtransferring the hd just for the install - could have been done by now... [11:04] current machine needs to remain running, and it's the only viable target for a HD install, so no. [11:06] k [11:07] errr - how do you use a new install on a machine that needs to remain running? [11:08] (1) compaq is target machine. It's the one without CDROM, et al. [11:09] (2) This machine is the source machine , and currently running applications [11:09] I do have another machine that can act as a dhcp server, and has done so in the past. [11:09] I can put the files required for pxe on there... [11:09] !unetbootin [11:09] For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent [11:10] I just edit the menu and away I goe [11:10] wouldnt that do the trick? [11:10] ManicMalkavian: problem there. The silly machine won't recognise the USB drive either. [11:10] I've already been down that path [11:10] i seee [11:10] that was the first thing I tried. [11:10] yuh. [11:11] you can't use a new install without a reboot - format is most likely [11:11] is it a desktop or a laptop? [11:12] cos if both machines are desktops, i would just hotswap your optical drive [11:13] The machine doesn't have a slot to put it... [11:13] hang it out of the case [11:13] silly thing has one power plug. It's plugged into the hard drive. Sigh. [11:13] aah [11:13] it hasn't even got any FLOPPIES, for pete's sake... [11:13] !netboot [11:13] Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall - Don't want to use a CD? See http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate [11:13] you see, i have parts lying around... so id just set another PSU next to the case and run new wires to it [11:14] it's got (instead) this stupid multi-function bay that can take either a CDROM (which I don't have) or a floppy (which I also don't have) [11:14] I wondered that too... I've got a cdrom drive spare... [11:14] I even have a PSU spare. [11:15] then do that [11:15] But what I don't have is a reliable dual cable. [11:15] (ide) [11:15] i see [11:15] newer motherboard with only one ID port [11:15] I _think_ I have a second single IDE cable lying around... [11:15] IDE* [11:15] no, it's an OLDER mother board with ide ports [11:15] aah, god [11:15] good* [11:15] I'm not even sure if the darn thing's got two IDE connectors or not [11:15] it will [11:16] Well, not that good. It's as unexpandable to all hell and gone. [11:16] if its an older board [11:16] 2001-ish, Compaq Evo D500 USDT [11:18] hm. That last link assumes there's an OS already on the hard drive... there isn't,. [11:18] I'll check the other Installation links too. [11:19] honestly, netbooting isnt worth the effort [11:19] just plug in a spare PSU and CD drive [11:19] and youll be installed within the hour [11:26] except I haven't got an hour left... so I'llbe doing this tomorrow, I guess. [11:28] I've figured out I can't just shovel over a whole ISO, it won't work for that. [11:28] so now I'm on the hunt for a netboot ISO that's small enough (30Mb?) to pxe it. [11:28] still looking at web pages. I seem to have found what I want. [11:31] there is the minicd [11:31] !minimal [11:31] The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD [11:33] ooo. [11:33] Right. I'll have that when I get up tomorrow then, I guess. [11:35] thank you. [11:36] I wouldn't be linuxing without TheSheep .... [11:51] <_chris_> is it usual that apache2 has about 10 processes running ? [11:56] _chris_: I get 4 running - but it prob depends on what you're doing with it [11:56] _chris_: Probably is correct, but you could also check in #ubuntu-server to be certain [11:59] <_chris_> okay thx [12:01] the bot is dead!! [12:02] she times out too, huh? [12:02] heh [12:45] Hello [12:45] hello LaPetite [12:45] I need help with my Wireless. After 20minutes I add rt2800usb to blacklist, restared PC and my Wireless works fine [12:45] But now It not works anymore [12:46] I see again stupid message: "wlan0 No scan results" [12:46] reload the kernel modules and disable and re enable the interface [12:46] Restarted PC, loaded unloaded USB Wireless [12:46] And same thing.. [12:46] One thing was that [12:46] That laptop was in other room [12:46] and battery goes down [12:47] and pc taked off [12:47] After that it don't work anymore [12:47] Anyway, after that i didin't checked Wireless. I connected my cable internet, isntalledd some things like macchanger and aircrack. [12:47] and after that I getting my wireless crashed :/ [12:48] nm-tool showing me [12:48] Driver: usb [12:48] State: disconnected [12:48] Default: no [12:48] So maybe here is a problem? [12:49] lsusb showing: 148f:3070 Ralink Technologi, Corop. [13:14] [AMSG] AWAY: Snooze [13:14] ManicMalkavian, please do not use public away messages [13:16] can anyone help me editing my menu ? [13:16] i downloaded alacarte but it just shows the wrong icons all the time [13:17] where is the menu file located ? [13:18] what do you want to change? [13:21] well [13:21] i want to be able to add programs that dont get added automatically and change the wine folder in "other" category [13:22] it also shows icons of programs i dont have installed anymore [13:23] i know a bit xml so i can figure it out i just cant find the file [13:23] it says different folders when i serach on google [13:23] It is no longer xml as of Xfce 4.6 [13:24] what is i [13:24] it [13:24] [for 4.6] copy '/etc/xdg/menus/xfce-applications.menu to '~/.config/xdg/menus' and customize it. [13:24] http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu [13:24] i have the latest [13:28] now i removed every file that is in username//.config/xdg/menus [13:28] still shows all icons [13:30] Icons come from the generated .desktop files for most applications. They are in /usr/share/applications [13:30] ah found them [13:31] Not every item in that directory will be in the menus [13:34] i dont get this i have removed all files in .config / menus [13:35] and remove the icons i dont want from the applications folder [13:35] and refreshed it in the terminal [13:35] still shows duplicate icons [13:35] shouldnt it show nothing at all or at least one less duplicated icons [13:36] When you click Applications - properties, what menu are you using? [13:36] right-click Applications, left-click properties, Menu File should have choices [13:37] these are in swedish but i will try to translate, Others, Programming, acessories, system games, network multi media office graphics and settings [13:37] No [13:38] Is that Ubuntu or Xubuntu? [13:38] xubuntu [13:38] right click Applications, in the panel, then left-click "properties" [13:39] You can choose "Use default desktop menu file" or "Use custom-menu file" [13:39] ok [13:39] ah [13:39] default is Use default destkop menu file [13:40] I'm just trying to point you in different directions, here. the menus in 4.6 are not really set up for user editing [13:41] Maybe something will be what you want [13:41] well i chose one here that is ok, just have too add the various folder again with all the wine programs [13:42] Add them in ~/.local/applications [13:42] All you need is a Application_Menu_name_you_want.desktop file [13:43] hi, I'm having quite some trouble setting my netbook up for wifi [13:43] i am currently in username/.local/ but there is no applications folder do i create one [13:44] ooops, sorry [13:44] ~/.local/share/applications [13:44] ah!! [13:44] sweet [13:44] It's an old acer 3003lmi with a broadcom card, though I gave up on trying to get it working, so I'm currently trying a dlink dongle [13:44] Files are just like those in /usr/share/applications . They are just easier to edit here [13:45] Any file in this will override /usr/share/applications , too [13:45] upon entering ssid and wpa2 passwords in the network manager it appears to connect and then repeatedly prompts me for the password (which is correctly entered). the router doesn't seem to see any connection attempts though [13:45] any thoughts? [13:47] !wireless | Fredags [13:47] Fredags: Wireless documentation, including how-to guides and troubleshooting information, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs [13:47] yeah, checked it out but i still don't get it to work [13:47] tried ndiswrapper with the drivers for broadcom [13:47] I really don't know wireless, myself. [13:48] i just had to remove some files there and change the desktop file on the menu, now it looks like i want... thx [13:48] alright [13:49] tycho: You are welcome [13:49] Glad we got there, even if it was a bit of a merry-go-round [13:50] yes i appreciate it, i think they should add a menu editor in the next release to make it easier [13:51] It is planned for Xfce 4.8 [13:51] oh thats great [14:16] They also need an easier way to add launchers to the panel [14:16] I hope thats coming with 4.8 [14:20] hmm, I guess I don't add very many [14:26] Me either, but when I do, its a pita. Appfinder, adding launchers. Just not very intuitive for the new user. [14:26] I would like to see Xfce become more and more user friendly, that way when GNOME goes all wonky, getting rid of the panel and going all shell, we will dominate the wimp interface! [14:27] I'm on the gnome-shell mailing list, thats their long term plan. To dump the gnome panel and metacity all together. [14:29] Aren't they doing that in gnome3? [14:30] Yeah [14:31] Some time after GNOME3 is out, metacity and panel are history. I think we are going to see some users migrate to us over that. [14:31] I haven't heard if Ubuntu is dropping the panel at the same time, though [14:32] Users will bounce back and forth depending on what is new, all the time. [14:34] Probably. My days of switching window managers every week ended years ago. I settled on Xfce because its easy to use, feature rich, and doesn't use a lot of resources. Its what Gnome should have been. [14:34] * arthurjohnson abandoned GNOME when they dropped sawfish [14:35] heh. I went for the color the first time [14:35] I had to change a lot of theme stuff in Ubuntu, xubuntu was made for me [14:47] Indeed. I switched to Xubuntu in 7.10. [14:48] Only used Ubuntu with 7.04 [14:48] As far as window managers go, I didn't care for Xfce 3. Xforms were kindof ugly. I didn't start using Xfce religiously until version 4. [14:49] how do you use a desktop environment religiously? [14:49] for making sacrifices and stuff? [14:49] Yes, I sacrifice dead projects to it [14:49] The last one was WindowMaker ;) [14:51] When I started with Linux I used FVWM, then KDE (loved ver 1 and 2), but switched to WindowMaker early, like 1999 or 2000. Used that till I switched to Ubuntu with 7.04, and Xfce ever since Xubuntu 7.10 [14:53] funny, I also came to xfce from windowmaker [14:53] cde before that [14:54] WindowMaker is the pimp, but it doesn't handle libnotify and tray items gracefully. In fact, WindowMaker pretty much predates the system tray and notify techs we take for granted today. [14:55] Never found a decent dockapp for system tray, at least not when I switched. Maybe someone has a decent dockapp now, but its kinda too late. My heart belongs to Xfce ;) [14:56] huh. I went commodore-64, to windows 3.1 to OS/2 to Ubuntu 5.10 to Xubuntu 6.06 [14:56] I used OS/2 for a while, but didn't have a cdrom drive, and their hardware support was brutal. [14:57] yeah, all their home user support was bad [14:57] For me it was Tandy CoCo, DOS, Win 3.11, OS/2, Win98 (for a month or so), Slackware, RedHat, Debian, then Ubuntu. [14:58] All starting about 1984 ;) [14:58] but then again, Ubuntu 5.10, I had to manually install ndiswrapper and wireless drivers from windows, download and install the nvidia driver, etc. [14:59] Ah, the fun days. Go find a computer that had internet to download ndiswrapper to install wireless [14:59] Wasn't even in the repositories, either [15:22] Hi. I am bit frustraed and I need some help. I have some issues with god damn puls (there is more problems then benefits of this shit) and I need to acces /root. When passing "cd /root" I get the "permission denied" and thats ok. But when I do sudo cd /root sudo: cd: command not found. I can't log in as I root since it is disableb by default. What to do? I dont want to grant user 777 on /root... [15:28] handjob, tried sudo su yet? [15:29]