[00:00] <daveWilky> hi everyone..
[01:46] <tertl3> i am having trouble getting audacity and jack to recognize my guitar input
[01:47] <tertl3> I have changed settings and nothing works
[01:47] <tertl3> the sound card works so it can't be that
[02:01] <tertl3> anyone good with audacity or JACK?
[02:03] <skx> I don't know, but if everything else works, have you selected the right input in audacity, tertl3?
[02:04] <tertl3> I'm pretty sure I did
[02:04] <skx> and is the signal recognized by any other app?
[02:05] <tertl3> skx, no, I have tried audacity, but it doesnt recognize the guitar input
[02:05] <skx> and does any other app recognize it?
[02:05] <tertl3> the output works for audacity
[02:05] <tertl3> what other app should I try?
[02:06] <tertl3> my sound card comes up as CA106
[02:06] <tertl3> i have guitar plugged into pink line input
[02:07] <skx> so we don't know if input works, ok
[02:07] <tertl3> it has to,
[02:07] <tertl3> but yesm we don't know
[02:07] <skx> do you have pavucontrol installed?
[02:07] <tertl3> I dont believe so
[02:08] <tertl3> getting it now
[02:08] <skx> no, no
[02:08] <tertl3> un oh
[02:09] <tertl3> remove?
[02:09] <skx> you need to use jack, not pulse audio
[02:09] <skx> it won't hurt
[02:10] <tertl3> ok, when I open jack, should I press the play button on it?
[02:10] <skx> I'm not on studio right now :\
[02:10] <skx> have you configured jack? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/What%20is%20JACK?highlight=%28%28UbuntuStudio|JackQuickStart%29%29
[02:12] <tertl3> thnks
[02:26] <ScottL> tertl3, you might also make that alsa isn't muted
[02:34] <skx> I think they fixed that
[02:34] <skx> (that was one big oops btw)
[05:57] <arghh2d2> Is there a way to see what applications are using a usb mic? jack wont run with the mic specified as the input device...says that it's already being used by another program.
[06:50] <tertl3> how do I listen to CDs after installing JACK?
[06:50] <holstein> tertl3: lol
[06:50] <tertl3> heh
[06:50] <holstein> you dont... you make CD's now ;)
[06:50] <tertl3> hey holstein
[06:51] <tertl3> so, now I can't listen at all?
[06:51] <holstein> do you need to play CD's with JACK running?
[06:51] <holstein> can you just stop JACK and do your thing
[06:51] <holstein> and then use JACK when you want to record?
[06:51] <tertl3> no, it didnt work
[06:51] <holstein> thats how i do it
[06:51] <holstein> hmmm
[06:51] <tertl3> I might need to fiddle with it some more
[06:51] <holstein> tertl3: SO
[06:52] <holstein> you start the computer
[06:52] <tertl3> I just installed a rt kernel
[06:52] <holstein> and CD's wone play
[06:52] <holstein> wont*
[06:52] <holstein> OR is it just after you start jack
[06:52] <holstein> and stop it
[06:52] <tertl3> yeah, no sound
[06:52] <tertl3> well, I havent tried that
[06:52] <holstein> tertl3: when you run qjackctl
[06:52] <holstein> you need to 'stop' jack
[06:52] <holstein> before exiting qjack
[06:53] <holstein> you could try killing jack
[06:53] <holstein> it might just be running in the background
[06:53] <tertl3> ok
[06:53] <holstein> holding onto your device
[06:54] <tertl3> is that kill qjackctl
[06:54]  * holstein tries
[06:56] <holstein> sudo killall jackd
[06:57] <tertl3> hmm
[06:57] <holstein> no good?
[06:57] <tertl3> well, I think was already killed
[06:57] <holstein> hmmm
[06:58] <tertl3> does your sound system take a long time to respond?
[06:58] <holstein> what do you get when you run aplay -l
[06:58] <tertl3> sound preferences I mean
[06:58] <holstein> tertl3: im having mixed luck with sound in ubuntu
[06:59] <holstein> my firepod works great in jack
[06:59] <holstein> and that what im mostly worried about
[06:59] <holstein> when i open sound preferences on my HPmini
[06:59] <holstein> the sound goes away
[06:59] <holstein> for good
[07:00] <holstein> the only way ive found to brign it back is a restart
[07:00] <tertl3> dang
[07:00] <holstein> BUT i have only gotten started trouble shooting
[07:00] <holstein> the EEE works great
[07:01] <holstein> im updating my studio box finally
[07:01] <holstein> upgrading to lucid
[07:01] <tertl3> thats what I'm on
[07:02] <holstein> i got one intrepid and a karmic left
[07:02] <tertl3> i did the ubuntu studio upgrade thing
[07:02] <holstein> cool
[07:02] <holstein> hey
[07:02] <holstein> you should restart
[07:02] <tertl3> and now it seems worse than if I wouldve tried to update on my own
[07:02] <holstein> and see if you got sound
[07:03] <holstein> and run the sound preferences
[07:03] <holstein> and see if you got the same thing i got
[07:03] <tertl3> what do you have?
[07:03] <tertl3> maybe its the kernel I got?
[07:05] <holstein> could be
[07:06] <holstein> what uname -a
[07:06] <tertl3> i think part of it is using alsa, and part is using jack
[07:06] <tertl3> im gonna restart
[07:06] <holstein> m@ministudio:~$ uname -a
[07:06] <holstein> Linux ministudio 2.6.31-10-rt #153-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT RT Tue Jan 12 10:42:21 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:06] <tertl3> oh
[07:06] <holstein> i think i tried the generic one already though
[07:06] <holstein> for my issue
[07:07] <tertl3> Linux tertl3-desktop 2.6.31-10-rt #153-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT RT Tue Jan 12 11:01:03 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[07:07] <holstein> OH
[07:07] <holstein> and you got 64 bit too
[07:07] <tertl3> yeah, that probably makes it even worse
[07:07] <tertl3> more to worry about
[07:07] <holstein> nah
[07:08] <holstein> they've been sorting that out i yhink
[07:08] <holstein> think*
[07:09] <tertl3> i guess I'm gonna reboot
[07:09] <tertl3> back to original kernel
[07:23] <holstein> tertl3: how did you do?
[07:23] <holstein> i made a little progress
[07:23] <holstein> when i run sound preferences i get ...
[07:24] <holstein> 'dummy output'
[07:24] <holstein> and my sound icon goes from a speaker, to a line
[07:24] <holstein> and i got no sound
[07:24] <holstein> i run m@ministudio:~$ uname -a
[07:24] <holstein> Linux ministudio 2.6.31-10-rt #153-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT RT Tue Jan 12 10:42:21 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:24] <holstein> oopps
[07:24] <holstein> sudo /sbin/alsa force-reload
[07:25] <holstein> i run that ^^
[07:25] <holstein> and i get my sound back
[07:25] <holstein> BUT this doesnt seem to be JACK related for me
[07:26] <tertl3> hmm
[07:27] <holstein> yup
[07:27] <tertl3> ill try it
[07:27] <holstein> i got a battery thing on this box too
[07:27] <holstein> couple trouble-shooting items
[07:28] <tertl3> no luck here
[07:28] <holstein> and your in the generic kernel now?
[07:28] <tertl3> I've got windows on another partition, so I might just use it for recording
[07:28] <tertl3> yeah, I'm in generic
[07:29] <holstein> any sound at all?
[07:29] <tertl3> I think it was something i did from the tutorial
[07:29] <holstein> do you have ubuntu-restricted-extras installed ?
[07:29] <tertl3> I ran alot of commands
[07:29] <tertl3> yeah
[07:29] <holstein> hmm
[07:29] <tertl3> and 2 extra repos
[07:30] <holstein> you want to dump your relevant history in pastebin?
[07:30] <tertl3> sure
[07:30] <holstein> OR
[07:30] <holstein> the link the the tutorial
[07:30] <tertl3> you could remote connect if you want
[07:30] <tertl3> one sec
[07:31] <tertl3> even firefox is acting up
[07:31] <holstein> hmmm
[07:32] <tertl3> keeps fading dark
[07:33] <tertl3> ubuntu studio preparation
[07:33] <tertl3> that should find it
[07:33] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[07:34] <tertl3> yea
[07:34] <holstein> you did sudo apt-get install alsa-firmware-loaders alsa-tools alsa-tools-gui alsa-firmware ??
[07:34] <tertl3> i did most all of them
[07:34] <tertl3> but yeah,
[07:34] <holstein> hmmm
[07:34] <tertl3> I'm pretty sure I did that one
[07:35] <tertl3> I was stumped trying to get JACK to run
[07:35] <holstein> you could try sudo apt-get auto-remove alsa-firmware-loaders alsa-tools alsa-tools-gui alsa-firmware
[07:35] <tertl3> command not found?
[07:36] <holstein> sudo apt-get autoremove alsa-firmware-loaders alsa-tools alsa-tools-gui alsa-firmware
[07:37]  * holstein had an extra '-' in there
[07:37] <tertl3> cant find alsa-firmware
[07:37] <tertl3> no worries
[07:38] <tertl3> do you know a way to revert back to original lucid settings?
[07:38] <tertl3> like a restore function
[07:38] <holstein> those shouldnt make your sound not work
[07:38] <holstein> not really
[07:38] <tertl3> yeah, they seemed pretty reliable
[07:38] <holstein> autoremove ubuntustudio-****
[07:38] <holstein> whatever you installed
[07:38] <holstein> BUT i would just wait
[07:39] <holstein> i think we can figure that out
[07:39] <tertl3> oh
[07:39] <tertl3> ok
[07:39] <holstein> did you get all the updates?
[07:39] <tertl3> yeah, all except the medubuntu ones
[07:40] <tertl3> pretty much the whole page execpt the editing of the sound card file
[07:42] <tertl3> what about pulse-jack
[07:42] <holstein> i havent done it
[07:43] <holstein> lots of folks in #opensourcmusicians do it though
[07:43] <holstein> i got a seperate box really
[07:43] <holstein> and the mininote
[07:43] <holstein> im just going to use as a portable recording box
[07:43] <tertl3> hmm, so there are people using it without problems?
[07:43] <holstein> SO if the soundcard died,  wouldnt care
[07:43] <tertl3> that makes sense
[07:43] <holstein> tertl3: thats what they say
[07:44] <holstein> thats a great room
[07:44] <tertl3> I have considered fedora
[07:44] <holstein> smart folks
[07:44] <holstein> couple fedora guys
[07:44] <holstein> with the planet CCMRA stuff
[07:44] <holstein> i didnt like it
[07:44] <holstein> but you should try it sometime
[07:45] <tertl3> yeah, fedora was how I was introduced to linux and I always thought it was more stable
[07:45] <tertl3> not really that different I guess
[07:45] <holstein> i found it to be slower
[07:45] <holstein> there for a while
[07:45] <holstein> and the repos, and updates
[07:46] <holstein> slower
[07:46] <holstein> and YUM
[07:46] <holstein> i dont get YUM
[07:46] <tertl3> yum update :)
[07:46] <tertl3> i think yum = apt-get
[07:46] <holstein> hell, im just now getting the hang of apt-get
[07:46] <tertl3> and the su -
[07:46] <holstein> yeah
[07:47] <holstein> i had my icecast server on a fedora box
[07:47] <holstein> until a few months ago
[07:47] <tertl3> fedora is more serverish i think
[07:47] <tertl3> more like red hat amyways
[07:47] <holstein> i got it running on the lucid server edition now
[07:48] <holstein> i had a full-blown fedora install
[07:48] <holstein> and i didnt need it
[07:48] <holstein> and i wanted to give the box to a friend
[07:50] <tertl3> is there a way to avoid jack and still record descent stuff?
[07:50] <holstein> sure
[07:51] <holstein> i suggest trying whatever you feel comfortable with
[07:51] <tertl3> yeah
[07:51] <holstein> and moving on/up
[07:51] <holstein> when you need
[07:51] <tertl3> I tried audacity to no avail
[07:51] <holstein> if you dont need low-latency, and your not getting pops
[07:51] <holstein> use the generic kernel
[07:52] <holstein> what was wrong with audacity?
[07:52] <tertl3> nothing, I just couldnt get my input to make any noise through it
[07:52] <holstein> what sound device?
[07:52] <tertl3> kinda frustrating
[07:53] <holstein> in my opinion, if your using your internal sound card, that a limitation
[07:53] <tertl3> I use a creative labs sound card and I was going from my guitar amp into the line in
[07:53] <holstein> a pretty signifigant one
[07:53] <tertl3> it worked fine on the old xp box
[07:54] <holstein> no buzz or hum
[07:54] <holstein> if its clean, go for it
[07:54] <tertl3> hmm
[07:54] <holstein> usually those things got a lot of hum or hiss or buzz
[07:54] <holstein> some kind of noise
[07:55] <tertl3> yeah, I just moved all my equip into this room
[07:55] <tertl3> so I wanna make it like a 'studio' kinda setting
[07:55] <holstein> nice
[07:58] <holstein> OH
[07:59] <holstein> you looked at alsamixer ??
[07:59] <holstein> sometimes things get set to zero in there for some reason
[08:00] <tertl3> should I change it to 1?
[08:00] <holstein> just turn them up
[08:00] <holstein> 'turn them up to 11' ;)
[08:03] <holstein> tertl3
[08:03]  * holstein gotta sleep
[08:03] <holstein> i think we can sort you out though
[08:03] <tertl3> ok, cool
[08:03] <holstein> i was in NYC thursday nite
[08:03] <tertl3> awesome
[08:03] <tertl3> how was it
[08:03] <holstein> got on the road at midnite
[08:04] <holstein> tertl3: it was great
[08:04] <holstein> and then i had a 6:30 thing here in asheville tonite
[08:04] <holstein> that was not so good, but it paid well
[08:05] <holstein> anyhow, i'll catch you soon
[08:05] <holstein> laterz
[08:05] <tertl3> alright see ya later
[13:19] <skx> Why is Ubuntu (and Ubuntu Studio) using SVN-r1.0~rc3+svn20090426-4.4.3 version of mplayer? seems old, smplayer complains that it is old
[13:29] <Blank__> skx, the people who package it for ubuntu are probably balancing a whole lot of other packages, and may not have gotten around to it
[13:42] <astraljava> skx: It's probably what was available in testing at the time of syncing. There now seems to be a newer one, but if it doesn't fix any grave bugs, there's hardly a reason to upgrade.
[13:44] <astraljava> Hmm... maybe not, seems like Ubuntu versions have been uploaded to testing instead. Then it's exactly what Blank__ said.
[13:46] <Blank__> they have different priorities for certain packages, is what i've noticed... for instance, audio/music players tend to be fairly low on the list of packages to upgrade
[13:47] <Blank__> even ardour was considered a low priority upgrade, last time i checked... there was a bug meaning i couldn't even zoom in or out properly without it crashing, and that annoyed me that i couldn't get a newer version, not even in backports
[13:47] <skx> God bless PPAs
[13:47] <skx> anyway seems a little weird for me, as it is probably the most popular video player for Linux
[13:47] <Blank__> that was in the ol' days of 8.04 :p
[13:48] <skx> to me*
[13:48] <Blank__> mplayer uses gstreamer doesn't it?
[13:48] <Blank__> if so, the priority in that case would be gstreamer :(
[13:50] <skx> I use Ubuntu not to know these things ;)
[13:52] <astraljava> Blank__: Software outside of the default installs, and otherwise considered important for the masses, often get attention by volunteers. Especially specialized audio sw don't have too many resources, so my guess is that nobody had time to do a proper backporting. We need more manpower, so if you can, please help us. :)
[13:53] <Blank__> oh don't worry, i'll find a way to help
[13:53] <Blank__> i've been spreading the word about linux in itself, which may bring more people to it, and thus bring more help
[13:54] <astraljava> Blank__: Great! :)
[13:54] <Blank__> i'm hoping i can get iron-on t-shirt transfers made with some kind of identifiable linux logo on them for all my shirts
[13:54] <Blank__> if not, a pinbadge would be good
[13:55] <Blank__> i had a long conversation with a stranger on a bus, he was sick of windows messing him around, was already using firefox and open office... i let him know about linux, and told him about ubuntu/linux mint specifically
[13:56] <Blank__> so there's still hope
[13:56] <astraljava> Blank__: http://shop.canonical.com/index.php?cPath=14 :)
[13:57] <Blank__> problem there is that people will recognise linux much more easily than they will ubuntu
[13:58] <Blank__> so perhaps a logo denoting "ubuntu linux" would be more beneficial for identification
[14:01] <astraljava> I believe Mark talked about this a while back, in his speak for Ubuntu Open Week. I'll see if I can find it, hang on...
[14:02] <astraljava> Blank__: Yeah, here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekLucid/AskMark, at around 16:20.
[14:11] <Blank__> that whole thing's a pretty interesting read
[14:12] <Blank__> also interesting that he doesn't think it should be referred to as both terms
[14:13] <astraljava> Indeed.
[14:14] <Blank__> well, i'd best be off
[14:14] <skx> one more thing, on Ubuntu my Canon MP600 worked ootb, Ubuntu Studio complains about "missing printer driver"
[14:14] <skx> what do I need to install?
[14:15] <skx> cups?
[14:15] <Blank__> cups should already be there
[14:15] <astraljava> skx: Output of `apt-cache policy cupsys`, please?
[14:17] <Blank__> 'night all
[14:18] <skx> astraljava, http://wklej.org/id/334172/
[14:18] <skx> something seems to be missing
[14:18] <Blank__> yep
[14:19] <skx> cupsys installed
[14:19] <astraljava> skx: No idea whether it pulls the drivers with it, but it's a start.
[14:19] <skx> we'll see, it's searching
[14:20] <skx> nothing
[14:20] <Blank__> wouldn't you pull the cups meta package, and have it install dependencies?
[14:20] <skx> it seems to be missing a driver for this particular model
[14:21] <skx> maybe I'll just use one for 610... ;)
[14:21] <Blank__> hmm, it's not a meta
[14:21] <skx> cups is already installed, Blank__
[14:21] <Blank__> cups-common?
[14:21] <skx> also installed
[14:22] <Blank__> o
[14:22] <Blank__> yeah i have no idea what's going on :(
[14:22] <skx> probably there's no driver for this model
[14:23] <skx> let's try 610
[14:26] <astraljava> skx: There's a question in LP for this: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/3896 which suggests you might need to add a third-party repo for installing proper drivers.
[14:27] <astraljava> Oops, remove the edge from the link if you're not a LP beta tester.
[14:28] <astraljava> Oops again, that seems to be rather old. Might be better advices elsewhere.
[14:30] <skx> the scanner works fine, I'll buy some ink and test the printing later
[14:32] <skx> thanks
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[23:22] <holstein> wtf
[23:23] <rlameiro> lol, spammers holstein
[23:23] <rlameiro> some minutes ago, the same happened on the #jack channel
[23:24] <skx> someone came up with a new way to spam freenode
[23:24] <holstein> apparently
[23:24] <skx> and freenode's staff isn't exactly known for swift actions
[23:24] <holstein> its kinda like an ad
[23:25] <holstein> maybe they should just collect some revenue ;)
[23:25] <skx> it is an ad, that what spam usually is, isn't it?
[23:25] <skx> spam and more malware
[23:26] <skx> people probably wouldn't tolerate ads on their channels :) too many alternatives to freenode