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Viking667yay! Finally got the Xubuntu install started... stuck vmlinuz and initrd onto a tftp host, stuck the USB drive in the slot, booted up over pxe, and the installer picked up from the USB drive once the kernel and initrd were copied00:35
ManicMalkaviangratz Viking667 woulda been quicker to use a second PSU and drive though00:35
Viking667so if a machine can netboot, there's always a way to get Linux on to it, at least for it.00:35
Viking667ManicMalkavian: didn't have the time in the end...00:35
Viking667... nor the power cables free.00:36
ManicMalkavianViking667, correction, if a machine can 'boot' we can get linux on it00:36
* Viking667 counts plugs in use ... three boards... eleven plugs00:36
Viking667ManicMalkavian: yeah, but you know what I mean... without having to haul out the hard drive from a machine without CDROM and Floppy.00:36
ManicMalkavian... but wheres the fun in that?00:37
Viking667silly thing was: I struck that snag of the machine not booting off the USB drive... else I would have been good to go.00:37
Viking667ManicMalkavian: hm?00:37
Viking667Well, I've gained a little experience, I must say.00:37
ManicMalkavianfinding weird and obscure ways of installing is the best thing about linux00:37
Viking667*nod*00:37
Viking66793% and the drive light's still flickering.00:38
Viking667now I get to boot up and strip out packages...00:39
ManicMalkavianyou must document this procedure00:39
Viking667I intend this machine to run one application, chrome.00:39
Viking667heh.00:39
Viking667It's already been documented... that's how come I found out how to do it.00:39
ManicMalkavianas then i might be able to take it one step further and flip a LiveCD over the network00:40
Viking667I didn't have enough memory to do justice to that... the machine takes a maximum of 512Mb.00:40
ManicMalkaviancoz thinclients connecter to a master X server via ssh != nice00:40
Viking667mmm.00:40
ManicMalkavianhowever if i can get a minimal livecd PXE'd then i can create media center extender boxes for minimal cost00:41
Viking667but running the X server actually on the card of the machine is good. In fact, I don't know how you could get applications rendering on a monitor without running an X server on that same machine, no matter where the X applications are hosted.00:41
Viking667If you have 1Gb or more of memory, you could do it...00:41
Viking667but for 256/512Mb machines, nope. Only a low-size CD would have done it (a la LTSP)00:42
ManicMalkavianmeh00:42
Viking667I think that's as small as uh... 20Mb or so?00:42
Viking667fetches an NFS root off the server...00:42
ManicMalkaviani reckon i could do it properly on that amount of RAM00:42
Viking667you won't fit the CDROM image in, if you have less RAM than the image takes up00:43
ManicMalkavianDSL stipped back to bare minimal X and a frontent would do00:44
Viking667*nod*00:44
ManicMalkavianyou could proly dop that in under 100mb00:44
Viking667That's probably about right. Puppy linux too...?00:44
ManicMalkavianyah00:44
ManicMalkavianwell really it wouldnt amtter which tiny distro you used00:45
ManicMalkavianif your gonna cut it back to X and alsa00:45
ManicMalkavianthen theyre all gonna be the same standard size00:46
ManicMalkavianwhether you use puppy or DSL00:46
Viking667roughly.00:46
Viking667X, alsa, chrome, and flash.00:46
Viking667I'll be surprised if I run out of memory then.00:46
ManicMalkavianim thinking X alsa and xbmc00:46
Viking667what's xbmc?00:47
ManicMalkavianmedia center00:47
ManicMalkavianvery flashy00:47
ManicMalkavianor maybe mythTV if you wanna screw around for months on end00:47
Viking667I want this back to the bone so it's got as much memory spare to run an app over flash...00:49
ManicMalkavianhow mcuh RAM does it have?00:49
Viking66751200:49
ManicMalkavianthatl be enough to run a standard Xubuntu00:49
ManicMalkavianoh yeah, if you dont need it00:50
ManicMalkavianrip out pulse00:50
Viking667heh.00:50
ManicMalkavianit tends to use alot more CPU than alsa00:50
ManicMalkaviani had to remove it from my 400mhz latop so i could play youtube sized videos without lag00:50
Viking667yup yup. I normally remove pulse if I can get away with it...00:51
Viking667Unfortunately, too many apps assume dependency on ubuntu-desktop, and pulseaudio seems to be a dep of that.... as soon as you rip out pulseaudio, you lose the ubuntu-desktop meta-package, even though you don't lose the other sub-packages that get installed with ubuntu-desktop00:52
AlienDKXfce is fucking awesome00:53
ManicMalkavianglad you think so AlienDK00:53
Viking667Pity about the *%) swearing00:53
AlienDK-.-00:53
AlienDKA swear is a word. A word is a combination of letters from the alphabet. Why do you guys hate combination of words so much?00:53
Viking667because it's not appropriate in most circumstances00:54
AlienDKOoooh nooo! I do not liek dat combinashun of wurdz!! WE MUST BANZ DIS!!! BAAAANZ!00:54
AlienDK-.-00:54
ManicMalkaviansome people take offence to certain words used in combinations with others00:54
AlienDKOkay. We'll do it your way.00:54
AlienDKPlease note that the combination of letters that forms your nickname, ManicMalkavian, offends me. Please change your nickname.00:55
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AlienDKSorry, that offends me too00:56
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_|_|_cant complain now00:56
Viking667AlienDK: acktually, ifyou want to be stupid, your nick offends me too.00:56
_|_|_no letters00:56
Viking667<grin>00:56
AlienDKI'm not the one wanting to control how people combine letters! Its you guys.00:56
_|_|_im not trying to control the way letters are used00:57
AlienDKYes you are00:57
_|_|_i just said some people take offence to certain combinations00:57
AlienDKAnd you offend me by not capitalizing 'I'.00:57
AlienDKPlease do that00:57
AlienDKand please don't speak in this channel at all, that offends me too.00:58
_|_|_haha00:58
AlienDKJust saying! Not trying to control you. Just saying!00:58
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AlienDKWOW! That REALLY offended me, BIG TIME!00:59
AlienDKEverything other people do offends me (unless the thing is nothing). Please do nothing...00:59
AlienDKAT ALL!00:59
AlienDKCause it offends me.00:59
AlienDK[TDJACR VERSION reply] mIRC on Genuine Microsoft Windows 3.101:00
AlienDKLol01:00
MalkavianManiacwell, as much as this conversation entertains me, im getting bored with it01:00
AlienDKMe too01:00
AlienDKImma install some more apps on my newly installed Xubuntu 10.0401:00
MalkavianManiaccool01:01
Viking667darn. still here.01:05
MalkavianManiacDW01:05
MalkavianManiacwe got bored01:05
Viking667is there a way to have Chrome take up the whole screen on startup? -fullscreen doesn't seem to work01:06
AlienDKI know this is off-topic01:06
MalkavianManiacumm ill check01:06
AlienDKbut01:06
AlienDKIn the middle we have Chrome01:06
AlienDKChrome is capitalized01:06
Viking667not normally, no.01:07
MalkavianManiac[offtopic] - Viking667, relevant to our earlier convo.... http://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml01:07
AlienDKFail browser == CHROME == Google == evil01:07
AlienDKChrome sucks in many ways01:07
Viking667AlienDK: it's also the fastest browser there is, except _possibly_ Opera.01:07
Viking667Firefox has got bloated. Safari... well, that's evil.01:07
AlienDKFirefox is faster for me01:07
Viking667not me.01:07
AlienDKFirefox loads noticeably faster for me01:07
Viking667I love the idea of a browser that shows up in three seconds.01:08
Viking667Firefox takes about 15 seconds on my machine01:08
AlienDKLol01:08
MalkavianManiacwellthat sucks01:08
AlienDKShows up instantly on mine01:08
Viking667... and takes another ten seconds to get a page shown01:08
MalkavianManiacwow01:08
MalkavianManiacthat is bad01:08
Viking667yeah.01:08
AlienDKI click it and like a second later its up01:08
MalkavianManiacmines almost instant01:08
AlienDKYeah01:08
Viking667That's on a 2.4GHz Celeron 512Mb running Ubuntu.01:09
MalkavianManiacaah01:09
Viking667ATI Radeon 955001:09
MalkavianManiacan evil celeron01:09
AlienDKIntel Core2Quad something something 2,8GHz01:09
Viking667heh. Can't do much about it. I live on hand-me-downs01:09
AlienDK8GB DDR2-80001:09
MalkavianManiacAMD Athlon X2 64 4600+01:09
AlienDKNvidia GTX260 896MB ram01:09
MalkavianManiacor was it a 4200+01:09
* Viking667 slaps AlienDK with a 8080-based machine with 4kb of memory.01:10
MalkavianManiacAMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+01:10
MalkavianManiacMemory (RAM) 2.00 GB01:10
MalkavianManiacGraphics NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT01:10
Viking667At least you can be assured your apps will run in opportune time.01:10
MalkavianManiacgraphics is gonna change soon though01:10
MalkavianManiacdamn, gotta love win701:11
MalkavianManiac Dedicated graphics memory 128 MB01:11
MalkavianManiacShared system memory 767 MB01:11
MalkavianManiacalmost 6x dedicated memory is shared ot my graphics card01:12
AlienDKwhy do you love win7?01:12
AlienDK...01:12
AlienDKWell01:12
AlienDKThere are a couple of things I love about Windows01:13
AlienDKThe folders makes sense01:13
AlienDKall the way up to C:01:13
AlienDKMakes sense01:13
AlienDKall of them01:13
AlienDKIn linux all the folders are named: blehfyb,lukf,wgwy,gwyg,ook,afnvn,etc01:14
AlienDKand other things that doesn't make sense01:14
MalkavianManiaci like to game and upscale my music to 5.1 dynamically... thats why i like windows01:17
Viking667AlienDK: you've obviously never been brought up in the holy order of UNIX then, have you? When System V was king, and MS-DOS wasn't even thought of.01:19
Logitechhello01:36
Logitechquestion:  I use LogMeIn because its simple for remote access of my computer....is there an equally simple equivalent for Linux?01:36
Viking667wow. Was that ever a conversation stopper01:36
MalkavianManiacLogitech, do some research on SSH port forwarding and DynamicDNS01:37
MalkavianManiacSSh, Port Forwarding*01:37
Logitechno idea about any of that stuff01:38
MalkavianManiachrmm, logmein uses the hamachi network doesnt it?01:39
LogitechI dunno01:39
Logitechthey have a product called Hamachi01:39
MalkavianManiacyeah01:39
LogitechI just use their Free service to remote access my other computers01:39
MalkavianManiacumm, you could use hamachi and VNC01:39
Logitechdoes that automatically configure itself01:40
MalkavianManiacnot completely01:40
LogitechLogMeIn simply works....I dont wanna start screwing with ports and SSF stuff01:40
Logitechis there something that just works, for Linux?01:40
Viking667hm. Why the *%@(*%@ does firefox depend upon a _touchscreen_ library?01:41
MalkavianManiacwhats the point in linux if your too scared to do something more than absolute basic01:42
Viking667hm?01:43
Viking667oh.01:43
MalkavianManiacsorry, shoulda said Logitech at the starth of that01:43
Logitechyeah01:43
LogitechI hate networking stuff01:43
LogitechI like the Linux OS01:44
Logitechbut I really don't want to hassle with how complicated remote access stuff is01:44
Logitechmaybe if i was unemployed I would01:45
MalkavianManiacits not complicated01:45
MalkavianManiaccomplicated is setting up a netboot server, and Viking667 has already done that in the past day or so01:45
Viking667Ohh, SURELY they have to be kidding? If I choose to remove wireless-crda, I lose the KERNEL?01:46
MalkavianManiacROFL01:46
MalkavianManiacViking667, try it... if you dont come back for a day or so... ill be laughing01:46
Viking667I've got _two_ wireless devices here in my entire house, and they're both computer mice. No networking going on there.01:47
Viking667MalkavianManiac: hah. Sorry, dude.01:47
MalkavianManiacanyway, im gonna go play some Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines01:48
MalkavianManiacyou guys can sit happily on my second screen01:48
arthurjohnsonI... Live... Again!02:04
arthurjohnsonMan, that didn't take that long at all.  I started at 6pm, and other than the web server, fileserver, and data feeds, its back to normal!02:24
Viking667Hi all. How are default nameservers configured on Xubuntu?03:15
Viking667or even on conventional Ubuntu, for that matter?03:15
MalkavianManiaci would just set up manual IP configs in /etc/networking/interfaces03:17
Viking667Cool. I think I'll look up that file in the man pages03:18
Viking667Right. That's got the gateway sorted out, just not the nameserver03:20
Viking667hrm. /etc/resolv.conf keeps getting reset...03:41
Viking667That seemed to get it stable.04:16
Viking667Right. I'm out of here. let's hope that the Cafe World machine works out.04:16
ballHmm... I just got an email about a bug that I supposedly filed against some previous version of Xubuntu06:10
ball...ah, it was against Jaunty06:10
nazif i have a machine with a dual boot windows and xubuntu install and i want a ntfs partition to mount every time on boot, is there a way to do that?09:09
gottto!fstab09:11
ubottuThe /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab and http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions09:11
gottto!ntfs09:11
ubottuTo view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE09:11
nazok cool09:41
naznow... if i want windows to be the default, i specify 4 as the deafult in /etc/default/grub however the problem is that updates can install other linux kernels which change the menu item numbers, is there a way to name that by name? iirc you could do this with grub109:42
knomenaz, i'm not sure about grub2, but look for "savedefault"09:46
nazgoogle results are pretty thin...09:49
Viking667Right. I found the fault.... it runs like this:     error: no suitable mode found;   error: unknown command 'terminal'.10:00
Viking667Anyone know what the heck that means in Grub2-language?10:00
Viking667And before you ask, yes, terminal.lst and terminal.mod are both in the /boot/grub directory10:01
Aquinahmm... grub2 is still a bit a problem I think. Hope you havent altered the AUTOMAGIC paragraph! Regarding the rest (e.g. Windows list entries) I'd let grub handle it. What's the problem with that?10:10
Viking667it hangs for a good fifteen seconds10:12
Viking667... probably continues after that...10:13
Viking667and there's only the one OS on the machine (xubuntu)10:13
AquinaWhat do you mean by probably? Have you installed Xubuntu 10.04 from scratch and the problem occoured then as you described?10:16
Viking667pretty much.10:34
Viking667probably, as in: it seems to continue... wife's using the monitor at the moment so I can't reconfirm it.10:35
AquinaHm. I'd checl launchpad.net and search for something like "grub hangs on boot" or directly search for the grub package. I'm sure someone already found that bug and reported it. In case you can't find something then tell me and I'll look it up or help you in filing a bug report. In any case it's wise to have a registed launchpad account already. :-)10:41
Viking667grub doesn't hang, it just stalls, then picks up again. and the xubuntu seems to boot up fine.10:45
MalkavianManiacViking667, have you checked over /boot/grub/grub.cfg?10:47
MalkavianManiacit is set to a 10 second delay by default10:48
MalkavianManiacunless theres been a bad startup, at which point it halts for the user to select an entry10:48
Viking667As I said, the monitor's in use at the moment...10:49
Viking667and I didn't see anything about a timeout in there.10:50
MalkavianManiacsorry, i didnt know this10:50
Viking667's okay. I said it about 15 minutes ago10:50
MalkavianManiacif you want i can boot over and help10:50
Viking667naah.10:51
Viking667I may have to pick this back up tomorrow.10:52
MalkavianManiacyou sure?10:52
Viking667Well, it requires moving wiring around, I've already taken one Ubuntu machine down accidentally today. I've no wish to do it again10:52
MalkavianManiaclol10:52
Viking667I got the machine up... it seems to have the error from grub... shows for ten seconds, then continues booting.11:44
AquinaViking667, under these circumstances it seems to be ok. My Ubutnu 8.04 LTS server also requires 30 sec on GRUB and more than a munite until the Kernel has been loaded sucessfully and the first daemon messages are being displayed on the screen.13:26
AquinaAgain... I think it's not an error but the actual time the kernel load and execution takes. Screen is usually blank during that time. Afterwards either the daemon messages are being displayed or some kind of *buntu logo (or both).13:28
datzhi. is it possible to do an distribution upgrade (9.04 -> 10.04) from remote shell?13:30
bazhangin one step? no.13:30
bazhangyou need to go to 9.10 first13:31
datzreally?13:31
datzhum13:31
bazhangyep13:31
datzfun13:31
datzI remember hearing that LTS releases could be upgraded to from any supported version..13:32
bazhangsure, but 9.04 is not LTS13:32
bazhang8.04 is13:32
datzoh..13:32
bazhang8.04 to 10.04 is a one-stepper13:32
datzgotya13:33
datzshould not have gone to 9.04...13:33
* datz checks to see how long 9.04 is supported13:33
bazhang!jaunty13:33
ubottuUbuntu 9.04 (Jaunty Jackalope) was the tenth release of Ubuntu. Downloading: http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.04/ - Release Notes: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/90413:33
bazhang18 months13:34
datzthanks13:35
datzguess I still have some time13:36
bazhangnp13:36
* datz thinks it may be best to build from ubuntu-server base for extended support. :P13:39
AlienDK!karmic13:55
ubottuUbuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala) was the eleventh release of Ubuntu. Downloading: http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/ - Release Notes: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/91013:55
AlienDK!lucid13:56
ubottuUbuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx) is the current release of Ubuntu. Download http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.04/ - Release Info: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/100413:56
AlienDK!hardy13:56
ubottuUbuntu 8.04 LTS (Hardy Heron) was the eighth release of Ubuntu. Downloading: http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04 - See !lts for more details.13:56
bazhang /msg the bot please13:56
AlienDKwhy?13:56
MalkavianManiacjust ignore him, he seem to troll alot14:10
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Aquinadatz, in case you don't run mussion critical stuff and can spend some days on reconfiguring I recommend you to perform a fresh install and avoid upgrading twice (9.04->9.10->10.04).14:18
Aquina(I ment mission :-)14:18
datzAquina: thanks.. I was thinking that might be the best option :)14:23
Aquina:-)14:41
mikubuntudoes anybody know how to clear cache in google chrome?  it was so fast last week when i installed and now is slow as molasses14:42
bazhanginstalled from where? or did you mean chromium-browser14:43
AquinaYou mean Chromium? :-)14:43
bazhanggoogle should have their own forums if it's chrome14:43
AquinaAnd I think it's not a cache issue.14:44
Aquinahttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=131667914:45
mikubuntuaquina, thx14:46
mikubuntudo you know where i check my cpu usage?14:46
mikubuntucpu and ram, i guess14:47
AquinaI'd choose two DNS servers. Maybe 8.8.8.8 and one from OpenDNS. Aehm...14:47
Aquina... try "sudo apt-get install htop"14:47
mikubuntuaquina, is that for me htop?14:47
AquinaThen run it always as "sudo nice --1 htop" or create a starter. The niceness is recommended so htop is always prefered over most other processes.14:47
bazhangyep14:48
AquinaYes.14:48
mikubuntuso how do i launch it?14:48
AquinaAs an alternative you can use "Gkrellm" which looks a bit nicer and STAYS on desktop and not only resides in a terminal-14:48
AquinaLaunch from terminal. :-)14:48
Aquinae.g. xfce4-terminal14:49
Aquinaor xterm14:49
mikubuntuoh, ya, i used to have gkrellm installd on previous machine, i wonder if i got it from synaptic14:49
Aquinahtop is superior IMHO though. All you need is F4, F5, F6 and F9 for options on a selected process.14:50
AquinaOh yes Gkrellm sould be available via the repos.14:50
Aquina(sudo apt-get install gkrellm)14:51
slow-motionhi14:56
subspiderhello all14:58
subspider:D14:58
bazhanghi14:59
mikubuntuaquina i disabled dns something or other in chrome settings as per the link you gave me, it did speed up some, but not as much as when i first installed15:13
mikubuntuthanks for the steer, every little bit helps when it comes to speed15:13
Aquinahm.15:13
AquinaCheck "~/.cache/chromium" maybe you can erase everythin in it. Maybe also closing cromium and starting it with the parameter "--disable-application-cache" or manually clearing the browser cache (Wrench --> Options --> Under the hood --> Clear browsing data... --> Empty the cache / Delete cookies and other site data)15:18
mikubuntucould this be why chrome is so slow?: http://www.speedtest.net/result/815417493.png15:35
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sonicfarthello18:30
SteamIncWill Xubuntu work well on a 500 mb memory comp?19:26
rob79yes19:31
rob79without java and flash ^^19:33
TheSheeprob79: he's gone already19:33
k2si am new to xfce, installed xubuntu lucid, where to find thunar-shares-plugin ?20:41
k2salso I upgraded from ubuntu to xubuntu and my xfce desktop keeps looking as gnome, new users have different look, how to reset xfce in my account to the default look ?20:42
TheSheepk2s: select the xfce session at login20:48
xubuntu041hi20:48
k2sTheSheep: it removed gnome from my system, I am sure I am in xfce, but the menus and toolbars seams to be almost the same as gnome was. if i create new user his desktop looks differently20:50
TheSheepk2s: there are two sessions, 'xubuntu session' and 'xfce session'20:51
TheSheepk2s: the former has ubuntish defaults, the latter xfce defaults20:52
TheSheepk2s: they both use xfce20:52
k2sTheSheep: thank you, going to try ...20:54
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garagecenterHi. I have a question in regards of an 2wire wirless modem. Is there any driver to be used in Xubuntu? thanks22:14
garagecenter2WIRE 802.11g Wireless USB Adapter22:17
garagecenterHi22:20
MarcWeberHow can I get to know which action xubuntu is running when suspending to RAM? I'd like to mimic the working behaviour on NIXOS linux22:50
slow-motionn822:59
AlienDKI have locked the screen and the screensaver has activated. However, I cannot stop the screensaver so I can log back in. Using Lucid.23:04
AlienDKhmm23:05
AlienDKnevermind23:06
AlienDKseems to have fixed itself after it changed to another screensaver23:06
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