[00:35] <Viking667> yay! Finally got the Xubuntu install started... stuck vmlinuz and initrd onto a tftp host, stuck the USB drive in the slot, booted up over pxe, and the installer picked up from the USB drive once the kernel and initrd were copied
[00:35] <ManicMalkavian> gratz Viking667 woulda been quicker to use a second PSU and drive though
[00:35] <Viking667> so if a machine can netboot, there's always a way to get Linux on to it, at least for it.
[00:35] <Viking667> ManicMalkavian: didn't have the time in the end...
[00:36] <Viking667> ... nor the power cables free.
[00:36] <ManicMalkavian> Viking667, correction, if a machine can 'boot' we can get linux on it
[00:36]  * Viking667 counts plugs in use ... three boards... eleven plugs
[00:36] <Viking667> ManicMalkavian: yeah, but you know what I mean... without having to haul out the hard drive from a machine without CDROM and Floppy.
[00:37] <ManicMalkavian> ... but wheres the fun in that?
[00:37] <Viking667> silly thing was: I struck that snag of the machine not booting off the USB drive... else I would have been good to go.
[00:37] <Viking667> ManicMalkavian: hm?
[00:37] <Viking667> Well, I've gained a little experience, I must say.
[00:37] <ManicMalkavian> finding weird and obscure ways of installing is the best thing about linux
[00:37] <Viking667> *nod*
[00:38] <Viking667> 93% and the drive light's still flickering.
[00:39] <Viking667> now I get to boot up and strip out packages...
[00:39] <ManicMalkavian> you must document this procedure
[00:39] <Viking667> I intend this machine to run one application, chrome.
[00:39] <Viking667> heh.
[00:39] <Viking667> It's already been documented... that's how come I found out how to do it.
[00:40] <ManicMalkavian> as then i might be able to take it one step further and flip a LiveCD over the network
[00:40] <Viking667> I didn't have enough memory to do justice to that... the machine takes a maximum of 512Mb.
[00:40] <ManicMalkavian> coz thinclients connecter to a master X server via ssh != nice
[00:40] <Viking667> mmm.
[00:41] <ManicMalkavian> however if i can get a minimal livecd PXE'd then i can create media center extender boxes for minimal cost
[00:41] <Viking667> but running the X server actually on the card of the machine is good. In fact, I don't know how you could get applications rendering on a monitor without running an X server on that same machine, no matter where the X applications are hosted.
[00:41] <Viking667> If you have 1Gb or more of memory, you could do it...
[00:42] <Viking667> but for 256/512Mb machines, nope. Only a low-size CD would have done it (a la LTSP)
[00:42] <ManicMalkavian> meh
[00:42] <Viking667> I think that's as small as uh... 20Mb or so?
[00:42] <Viking667> fetches an NFS root off the server...
[00:42] <ManicMalkavian> i reckon i could do it properly on that amount of RAM
[00:43] <Viking667> you won't fit the CDROM image in, if you have less RAM than the image takes up
[00:44] <ManicMalkavian> DSL stipped back to bare minimal X and a frontent would do
[00:44] <Viking667> *nod*
[00:44] <ManicMalkavian> you could proly dop that in under 100mb
[00:44] <Viking667> That's probably about right. Puppy linux too...?
[00:44] <ManicMalkavian> yah
[00:45] <ManicMalkavian> well really it wouldnt amtter which tiny distro you used
[00:45] <ManicMalkavian> if your gonna cut it back to X and alsa
[00:46] <ManicMalkavian> then theyre all gonna be the same standard size
[00:46] <ManicMalkavian> whether you use puppy or DSL
[00:46] <Viking667> roughly.
[00:46] <Viking667> X, alsa, chrome, and flash.
[00:46] <Viking667> I'll be surprised if I run out of memory then.
[00:46] <ManicMalkavian> im thinking X alsa and xbmc
[00:47] <Viking667> what's xbmc?
[00:47] <ManicMalkavian> media center
[00:47] <ManicMalkavian> very flashy
[00:47] <ManicMalkavian> or maybe mythTV if you wanna screw around for months on end
[00:49] <Viking667> I want this back to the bone so it's got as much memory spare to run an app over flash...
[00:49] <ManicMalkavian> how mcuh RAM does it have?
[00:49] <Viking667> 512
[00:49] <ManicMalkavian> thatl be enough to run a standard Xubuntu
[00:50] <ManicMalkavian> oh yeah, if you dont need it
[00:50] <ManicMalkavian> rip out pulse
[00:50] <Viking667> heh.
[00:50] <ManicMalkavian> it tends to use alot more CPU than alsa
[00:50] <ManicMalkavian> i had to remove it from my 400mhz latop so i could play youtube sized videos without lag
[00:51] <Viking667> yup yup. I normally remove pulse if I can get away with it...
[00:52] <Viking667> Unfortunately, too many apps assume dependency on ubuntu-desktop, and pulseaudio seems to be a dep of that.... as soon as you rip out pulseaudio, you lose the ubuntu-desktop meta-package, even though you don't lose the other sub-packages that get installed with ubuntu-desktop
[00:53] <AlienDK> Xfce is fucking awesome
[00:53] <ManicMalkavian> glad you think so AlienDK
[00:53] <Viking667> Pity about the *%) swearing
[00:53] <AlienDK> -.-
[00:53] <AlienDK> A swear is a word. A word is a combination of letters from the alphabet. Why do you guys hate combination of words so much?
[00:54] <Viking667> because it's not appropriate in most circumstances
[00:54] <AlienDK> Ooooh nooo! I do not liek dat combinashun of wurdz!! WE MUST BANZ DIS!!! BAAAANZ!
[00:54] <AlienDK> -.-
[00:54] <ManicMalkavian> some people take offence to certain words used in combinations with others
[00:54] <AlienDK> Okay. We'll do it your way.
[00:55] <AlienDK> Please note that the combination of letters that forms your nickname, ManicMalkavian, offends me. Please change your nickname.
[00:56] <AlienDK> Sorry, that offends me too
[00:56] <_|_|_> cant complain now
[00:56] <Viking667> AlienDK: acktually, ifyou want to be stupid, your nick offends me too.
[00:56] <_|_|_> no letters
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[00:56] <AlienDK> I'm not the one wanting to control how people combine letters! Its you guys.
[00:57] <_|_|_> im not trying to control the way letters are used
[00:57] <AlienDK> Yes you are
[00:57] <_|_|_> i just said some people take offence to certain combinations
[00:57] <AlienDK> And you offend me by not capitalizing 'I'.
[00:57] <AlienDK> Please do that
[00:58] <AlienDK> and please don't speak in this channel at all, that offends me too.
[00:58] <_|_|_> haha
[00:58] <AlienDK> Just saying! Not trying to control you. Just saying!
[00:59] <AlienDK> WOW! That REALLY offended me, BIG TIME!
[00:59] <AlienDK> Everything other people do offends me (unless the thing is nothing). Please do nothing...
[00:59] <AlienDK> AT ALL!
[00:59] <AlienDK> Cause it offends me.
[01:00] <AlienDK> [TDJACR VERSION reply] mIRC on Genuine Microsoft Windows 3.1
[01:00] <AlienDK> Lol
[01:00] <MalkavianManiac> well, as much as this conversation entertains me, im getting bored with it
[01:00] <AlienDK> Me too
[01:00] <AlienDK> Imma install some more apps on my newly installed Xubuntu 10.04
[01:01] <MalkavianManiac> cool
[01:05] <Viking667> darn. still here.
[01:05] <MalkavianManiac> DW
[01:05] <MalkavianManiac> we got bored
[01:06] <Viking667> is there a way to have Chrome take up the whole screen on startup? -fullscreen doesn't seem to work
[01:06] <AlienDK> I know this is off-topic
[01:06] <MalkavianManiac> umm ill check
[01:06] <AlienDK> but
[01:06] <AlienDK> In the middle we have Chrome
[01:06] <AlienDK> Chrome is capitalized
[01:07] <Viking667> not normally, no.
[01:07] <MalkavianManiac> [offtopic] - Viking667, relevant to our earlier convo.... http://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml
[01:07] <AlienDK> Fail browser == CHROME == Google == evil
[01:07] <AlienDK> Chrome sucks in many ways
[01:07] <Viking667> AlienDK: it's also the fastest browser there is, except _possibly_ Opera.
[01:07] <Viking667> Firefox has got bloated. Safari... well, that's evil.
[01:07] <AlienDK> Firefox is faster for me
[01:07] <Viking667> not me.
[01:07] <AlienDK> Firefox loads noticeably faster for me
[01:08] <Viking667> I love the idea of a browser that shows up in three seconds.
[01:08] <Viking667> Firefox takes about 15 seconds on my machine
[01:08] <AlienDK> Lol
[01:08] <MalkavianManiac> wellthat sucks
[01:08] <AlienDK> Shows up instantly on mine
[01:08] <Viking667> ... and takes another ten seconds to get a page shown
[01:08] <MalkavianManiac> wow
[01:08] <MalkavianManiac> that is bad
[01:08] <Viking667> yeah.
[01:08] <AlienDK> I click it and like a second later its up
[01:08] <MalkavianManiac> mines almost instant
[01:08] <AlienDK> Yeah
[01:09] <Viking667> That's on a 2.4GHz Celeron 512Mb running Ubuntu.
[01:09] <MalkavianManiac> aah
[01:09] <Viking667> ATI Radeon 9550
[01:09] <MalkavianManiac> an evil celeron
[01:09] <AlienDK> Intel Core2Quad something something 2,8GHz
[01:09] <Viking667> heh. Can't do much about it. I live on hand-me-downs
[01:09] <AlienDK> 8GB DDR2-800
[01:09] <MalkavianManiac> AMD Athlon X2 64 4600+
[01:09] <AlienDK> Nvidia GTX260 896MB ram
[01:09] <MalkavianManiac> or was it a 4200+
[01:10]  * Viking667 slaps AlienDK with a 8080-based machine with 4kb of memory.
[01:10] <MalkavianManiac> AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+
[01:10] <MalkavianManiac> Memory (RAM) 2.00 GB
[01:10] <MalkavianManiac> Graphics NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT
[01:10] <Viking667> At least you can be assured your apps will run in opportune time.
[01:10] <MalkavianManiac> graphics is gonna change soon though
[01:11] <MalkavianManiac> damn, gotta love win7
[01:11] <MalkavianManiac>  Dedicated graphics memory 128 MB
[01:11] <MalkavianManiac> Shared system memory 767 MB
[01:12] <MalkavianManiac> almost 6x dedicated memory is shared ot my graphics card
[01:12] <AlienDK> why do you love win7?
[01:12] <AlienDK> ...
[01:12] <AlienDK> Well
[01:13] <AlienDK> There are a couple of things I love about Windows
[01:13] <AlienDK> The folders makes sense
[01:13] <AlienDK> all the way up to C:
[01:13] <AlienDK> Makes sense
[01:13] <AlienDK> all of them
[01:14] <AlienDK> In linux all the folders are named: blehfyb,lukf,wgwy,gwyg,ook,afnvn,etc
[01:14] <AlienDK> and other things that doesn't make sense
[01:17] <MalkavianManiac> i like to game and upscale my music to 5.1 dynamically... thats why i like windows
[01:19] <Viking667> AlienDK: you've obviously never been brought up in the holy order of UNIX then, have you? When System V was king, and MS-DOS wasn't even thought of.
[01:36] <Logitech> hello
[01:36] <Logitech> question:  I use LogMeIn because its simple for remote access of my computer....is there an equally simple equivalent for Linux?
[01:36] <Viking667> wow. Was that ever a conversation stopper
[01:37] <MalkavianManiac> Logitech, do some research on SSH port forwarding and DynamicDNS
[01:37] <MalkavianManiac> SSh, Port Forwarding*
[01:38] <Logitech> no idea about any of that stuff
[01:39] <MalkavianManiac> hrmm, logmein uses the hamachi network doesnt it?
[01:39] <Logitech> I dunno
[01:39] <Logitech> they have a product called Hamachi
[01:39] <MalkavianManiac> yeah
[01:39] <Logitech> I just use their Free service to remote access my other computers
[01:39] <MalkavianManiac> umm, you could use hamachi and VNC
[01:40] <Logitech> does that automatically configure itself
[01:40] <MalkavianManiac> not completely
[01:40] <Logitech> LogMeIn simply works....I dont wanna start screwing with ports and SSF stuff
[01:40] <Logitech> is there something that just works, for Linux?
[01:41] <Viking667> hm. Why the *%@(*%@ does firefox depend upon a _touchscreen_ library?
[01:42] <MalkavianManiac> whats the point in linux if your too scared to do something more than absolute basic
[01:43] <Viking667> hm?
[01:43] <Viking667> oh.
[01:43] <MalkavianManiac> sorry, shoulda said Logitech at the starth of that
[01:43] <Logitech> yeah
[01:43] <Logitech> I hate networking stuff
[01:44] <Logitech> I like the Linux OS
[01:44] <Logitech> but I really don't want to hassle with how complicated remote access stuff is
[01:45] <Logitech> maybe if i was unemployed I would
[01:45] <MalkavianManiac> its not complicated
[01:45] <MalkavianManiac> complicated is setting up a netboot server, and Viking667 has already done that in the past day or so
[01:46] <Viking667> Ohh, SURELY they have to be kidding? If I choose to remove wireless-crda, I lose the KERNEL?
[01:46] <MalkavianManiac> ROFL
[01:46] <MalkavianManiac> Viking667, try it... if you dont come back for a day or so... ill be laughing
[01:47] <Viking667> I've got _two_ wireless devices here in my entire house, and they're both computer mice. No networking going on there.
[01:47] <Viking667> MalkavianManiac: hah. Sorry, dude.
[01:48] <MalkavianManiac> anyway, im gonna go play some Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines
[01:48] <MalkavianManiac> you guys can sit happily on my second screen
[02:04] <arthurjohnson> I... Live... Again!
[02:24] <arthurjohnson> Man, that didn't take that long at all.  I started at 6pm, and other than the web server, fileserver, and data feeds, its back to normal!
[03:15] <Viking667> Hi all. How are default nameservers configured on Xubuntu?
[03:15] <Viking667> or even on conventional Ubuntu, for that matter?
[03:17] <MalkavianManiac> i would just set up manual IP configs in /etc/networking/interfaces
[03:18] <Viking667> Cool. I think I'll look up that file in the man pages
[03:20] <Viking667> Right. That's got the gateway sorted out, just not the nameserver
[03:41] <Viking667> hrm. /etc/resolv.conf keeps getting reset...
[04:16] <Viking667> That seemed to get it stable.
[04:16] <Viking667> Right. I'm out of here. let's hope that the Cafe World machine works out.
[06:10] <ball> Hmm... I just got an email about a bug that I supposedly filed against some previous version of Xubuntu
[06:10] <ball> ...ah, it was against Jaunty
[09:09] <naz> if i have a machine with a dual boot windows and xubuntu install and i want a ntfs partition to mount every time on boot, is there a way to do that?
[09:11] <gottto> !fstab
[09:11] <gottto> !ntfs
[09:41] <naz> ok cool
[09:42] <naz> now... if i want windows to be the default, i specify 4 as the deafult in /etc/default/grub however the problem is that updates can install other linux kernels which change the menu item numbers, is there a way to name that by name? iirc you could do this with grub1
[09:46] <knome> naz, i'm not sure about grub2, but look for "savedefault"
[09:49] <naz> google results are pretty thin...
[10:00] <Viking667> Right. I found the fault.... it runs like this:     error: no suitable mode found;   error: unknown command 'terminal'.
[10:00] <Viking667> Anyone know what the heck that means in Grub2-language?
[10:01] <Viking667> And before you ask, yes, terminal.lst and terminal.mod are both in the /boot/grub directory
[10:10] <Aquina> hmm... grub2 is still a bit a problem I think. Hope you havent altered the AUTOMAGIC paragraph! Regarding the rest (e.g. Windows list entries) I'd let grub handle it. What's the problem with that?
[10:12] <Viking667> it hangs for a good fifteen seconds
[10:13] <Viking667> ... probably continues after that...
[10:13] <Viking667> and there's only the one OS on the machine (xubuntu)
[10:16] <Aquina> What do you mean by probably? Have you installed Xubuntu 10.04 from scratch and the problem occoured then as you described?
[10:34] <Viking667> pretty much.
[10:35] <Viking667> probably, as in: it seems to continue... wife's using the monitor at the moment so I can't reconfirm it.
[10:41] <Aquina> Hm. I'd checl launchpad.net and search for something like "grub hangs on boot" or directly search for the grub package. I'm sure someone already found that bug and reported it. In case you can't find something then tell me and I'll look it up or help you in filing a bug report. In any case it's wise to have a registed launchpad account already. :-)
[10:45] <Viking667> grub doesn't hang, it just stalls, then picks up again. and the xubuntu seems to boot up fine.
[10:47] <MalkavianManiac> Viking667, have you checked over /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
[10:48] <MalkavianManiac> it is set to a 10 second delay by default
[10:48] <MalkavianManiac> unless theres been a bad startup, at which point it halts for the user to select an entry
[10:49] <Viking667> As I said, the monitor's in use at the moment...
[10:50] <Viking667> and I didn't see anything about a timeout in there.
[10:50] <MalkavianManiac> sorry, i didnt know this
[10:50] <Viking667> 's okay. I said it about 15 minutes ago
[10:50] <MalkavianManiac> if you want i can boot over and help
[10:51] <Viking667> naah.
[10:52] <Viking667> I may have to pick this back up tomorrow.
[10:52] <MalkavianManiac> you sure?
[10:52] <Viking667> Well, it requires moving wiring around, I've already taken one Ubuntu machine down accidentally today. I've no wish to do it again
[10:52] <MalkavianManiac> lol
[11:44] <Viking667> I got the machine up... it seems to have the error from grub... shows for ten seconds, then continues booting.
[13:26] <Aquina> Viking667, under these circumstances it seems to be ok. My Ubutnu 8.04 LTS server also requires 30 sec on GRUB and more than a munite until the Kernel has been loaded sucessfully and the first daemon messages are being displayed on the screen.
[13:28] <Aquina> Again... I think it's not an error but the actual time the kernel load and execution takes. Screen is usually blank during that time. Afterwards either the daemon messages are being displayed or some kind of *buntu logo (or both).
[13:30] <datz> hi. is it possible to do an distribution upgrade (9.04 -> 10.04) from remote shell?
[13:30] <bazhang> in one step? no.
[13:31] <bazhang> you need to go to 9.10 first
[13:31] <datz> really?
[13:31] <datz> hum
[13:31] <bazhang> yep
[13:31] <datz> fun
[13:32] <datz> I remember hearing that LTS releases could be upgraded to from any supported version..
[13:32] <bazhang> sure, but 9.04 is not LTS
[13:32] <bazhang> 8.04 is
[13:32] <datz> oh..
[13:32] <bazhang> 8.04 to 10.04 is a one-stepper
[13:33] <datz> gotya
[13:33] <datz> should not have gone to 9.04...
[13:33]  * datz checks to see how long 9.04 is supported
[13:33] <bazhang> !jaunty
[13:34] <bazhang> 18 months
[13:35] <datz> thanks
[13:36] <datz> guess I still have some time
[13:36] <bazhang> np
[13:39]  * datz thinks it may be best to build from ubuntu-server base for extended support. :P
[13:55] <AlienDK> !karmic
[13:56] <AlienDK> !lucid
[13:56] <AlienDK> !hardy
[13:56] <bazhang>  /msg the bot please
[13:56] <AlienDK> why?
[14:10] <MalkavianManiac> just ignore him, he seem to troll alot
[14:18] <Aquina> datz, in case you don't run mussion critical stuff and can spend some days on reconfiguring I recommend you to perform a fresh install and avoid upgrading twice (9.04->9.10->10.04).
[14:18] <Aquina> (I ment mission :-)
[14:23] <datz> Aquina: thanks.. I was thinking that might be the best option :)
[14:41] <Aquina> :-)
[14:42] <mikubuntu> does anybody know how to clear cache in google chrome?  it was so fast last week when i installed and now is slow as molasses
[14:43] <bazhang> installed from where? or did you mean chromium-browser
[14:43] <Aquina> You mean Chromium? :-)
[14:43] <bazhang> google should have their own forums if it's chrome
[14:44] <Aquina> And I think it's not a cache issue.
[14:45] <Aquina> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1316679
[14:46] <mikubuntu> aquina, thx
[14:46] <mikubuntu> do you know where i check my cpu usage?
[14:47] <mikubuntu> cpu and ram, i guess
[14:47] <Aquina> I'd choose two DNS servers. Maybe 8.8.8.8 and one from OpenDNS. Aehm...
[14:47] <Aquina> ... try "sudo apt-get install htop"
[14:47] <mikubuntu> aquina, is that for me htop?
[14:47] <Aquina> Then run it always as "sudo nice --1 htop" or create a starter. The niceness is recommended so htop is always prefered over most other processes.
[14:48] <bazhang> yep
[14:48] <Aquina> Yes.
[14:48] <mikubuntu> so how do i launch it?
[14:48] <Aquina> As an alternative you can use "Gkrellm" which looks a bit nicer and STAYS on desktop and not only resides in a terminal-
[14:48] <Aquina> Launch from terminal. :-)
[14:49] <Aquina> e.g. xfce4-terminal
[14:49] <Aquina> or xterm
[14:49] <mikubuntu> oh, ya, i used to have gkrellm installd on previous machine, i wonder if i got it from synaptic
[14:50] <Aquina> htop is superior IMHO though. All you need is F4, F5, F6 and F9 for options on a selected process.
[14:50] <Aquina> Oh yes Gkrellm sould be available via the repos.
[14:51] <Aquina> (sudo apt-get install gkrellm)
[14:56] <slow-motion> hi
[14:58] <subspider> hello all
[14:58] <subspider> :D
[14:59] <bazhang> hi
[15:13] <mikubuntu> aquina i disabled dns something or other in chrome settings as per the link you gave me, it did speed up some, but not as much as when i first installed
[15:13] <mikubuntu> thanks for the steer, every little bit helps when it comes to speed
[15:13] <Aquina> hm.
[15:18] <Aquina> Check "~/.cache/chromium" maybe you can erase everythin in it. Maybe also closing cromium and starting it with the parameter "--disable-application-cache" or manually clearing the browser cache (Wrench --> Options --> Under the hood --> Clear browsing data... --> Empty the cache / Delete cookies and other site data)
[15:35] <mikubuntu> could this be why chrome is so slow?: http://www.speedtest.net/result/815417493.png
[18:30] <sonicfart> hello
[19:26] <SteamInc> Will Xubuntu work well on a 500 mb memory comp?
[19:31] <rob79> yes
[19:33] <rob79> without java and flash ^^
[19:33] <TheSheep> rob79: he's gone already
[20:41] <k2s> i am new to xfce, installed xubuntu lucid, where to find thunar-shares-plugin ?
[20:42] <k2s> also I upgraded from ubuntu to xubuntu and my xfce desktop keeps looking as gnome, new users have different look, how to reset xfce in my account to the default look ?
[20:48] <TheSheep> k2s: select the xfce session at login
[20:48] <xubuntu041> hi
[20:50] <k2s> TheSheep: it removed gnome from my system, I am sure I am in xfce, but the menus and toolbars seams to be almost the same as gnome was. if i create new user his desktop looks differently
[20:51] <TheSheep> k2s: there are two sessions, 'xubuntu session' and 'xfce session'
[20:52] <TheSheep> k2s: the former has ubuntish defaults, the latter xfce defaults
[20:52] <TheSheep> k2s: they both use xfce
[20:54] <k2s> TheSheep: thank you, going to try ...
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[22:14] <garagecenter> Hi. I have a question in regards of an 2wire wirless modem. Is there any driver to be used in Xubuntu? thanks
[22:17] <garagecenter> 2WIRE 802.11g Wireless USB Adapter
[22:20] <garagecenter> Hi
[22:50] <MarcWeber> How can I get to know which action xubuntu is running when suspending to RAM? I'd like to mimic the working behaviour on NIXOS linux
[22:59] <slow-motion> n8
[23:04] <AlienDK> I have locked the screen and the screensaver has activated. However, I cannot stop the screensaver so I can log back in. Using Lucid.
[23:05] <AlienDK> hmm
[23:06] <AlienDK> nevermind
[23:06] <AlienDK> seems to have fixed itself after it changed to another screensaver