[06:27] <BlindWolf8> Hello?
[06:27] <Peng_> yo
[06:28] <BlindWolf8> Hi Peng, how are you?
[06:28] <Peng_> Awesome! At least I think so. The sleep deprivation may have driven me insane!
[06:29] <BlindWolf8> Hahaha, that's always fun.
[06:29] <BlindWolf8> Do you think that your lack of sleep would hinder your Bazaar knowledge? :-P
[06:30] <fullermd> Sleep deprivation helps you cobble the muskrat more clearly.
[06:31] <Peng_> BlindWolf8: Not yet. Much.
[06:31] <BlindWolf8> Hahaha, I guess it depends on how many days you've been awake.
[06:31] <BlindWolf8> OK, I've been working with Bazaar trying to get it setup with my webserver.
[06:31] <fullermd> Oh, heck, if you can measure it in DAYS, it barely qualifies as deep sleprivation yet...
[06:32] <BlindWolf8> I was using it this morning when *I* was sleep deprived, and later today when I was rested.
[06:32] <Peng_> Not very long, actually. Umm, 29 hours.
[06:33] <BlindWolf8> I think the most I've been up is close to 48
[06:33] <BlindWolf8> I know between hours 22-24, I start to get sleepy.
[06:33] <Peng_> I did exactly 47 hours a few months ago, but I got bored. And hungry.
[06:33] <BlindWolf8> If I can get over that hump, I shoudl be good to go for a bit more
[06:34] <BlindWolf8> *should
[06:34] <Peng_> I usually stay up longest when I didn't sleep enough the previous night.
[06:34] <BlindWolf8> Yeah, I hear ya.
[06:37] <BlindWolf8> Anyway, do you guys have any suggestions as to how to setup Bazaar with a webserver? I got SSH and everything, but Bazaar just doesn't like what I'm doing for some reason. Also, I can't install Bazaar on the server (Shared)
[06:37] <Peng_> BlindWolf8: You can just use dumb HTTP. Point Apache to a directory and tell it to serve away.
[06:37] <Peng_> BlindWolf8: You've got SSH even though bzr isn't installed? You're using sftp?
[06:37] <BlindWolf8> I've owned a full-blown server in the past, and I don't have the money/need right nowt o pay for a dedicated box
[06:37] <Peng_> ....VPS? :D
[06:38] <BlindWolf8> It's a HostGator Shared box...not a VPS
[06:38] <BlindWolf8> they give us FTP/SFTP/SSH
[06:38] <BlindWolf8> but not root :-P
[06:38] <fullermd> It's about the 5th day that things really start getting interesting...
[06:39] <Peng_> I mean, get a VPS. :D
[06:39] <BlindWolf8> Yeah, I had a professor in my undergrad in college...he was in the army
[06:39] <BlindWolf8> they had him sleep deprived...the guy thought the officer's shoes were rabbits
[06:39] <BlindWolf8> :P
[06:39] <Peng_> Some days, I think it might be interesting to try severe sleep deprivation. Other days, I think intentionally hurting myself is a bad idea...
[06:40] <BlindWolf8> yeah, losing your mind is normally a Bad Thing.
[06:40] <Peng_> And I'm already a little off.
[06:40] <fullermd> Eh.  I don't think I'd really miss it...
[06:40] <Peng_> BlindWolf8: Does SSH give you access to Python and GCC?
[06:41] <BlindWolf8> lemme check...it should...
[06:41] <Peng_> BlindWolf8: If so, with some work, you could install Bazaar in your homedir, but it's probably not worth it. Dumb HTTP and SFTP work fine; they're just slow.
[06:41] <BlindWolf8> whoa, wait...gcc? nah
[06:42] <Peng_> BlindWolf8: GCC is optional. Without it, performance will be suckier, though.
[06:42] <Peng_> THe shared host I use gives access to GCC.
[06:42] <BlindWolf8> Yeah, I was whoaing because I knew that they wouldn't and they did not...just confirmeded
[06:42] <BlindWolf8> python, I have access to
[06:42] <Peng_> Mostly use my VPS now...I have like bzr 1.0 on the old shared host...
[06:43] <BlindWolf8> From what I've read, if I just want to work with another person on some files and use the server as the repo, I can just use the Shared repo method, right?
[06:44] <Peng_> BlindWolf8: Shared repos are a storage optimization, not a concept.
[06:45] <Peng_> Granted they can cause file permission issues when multiple people are working together.
[06:45] <Peng_> Oh, no, it's 1.4. Well, bzr.dev around 1.4.
[06:46] <Peng_> But my Python install got busted... Anyway, not the point!
[06:46] <BlindWolf8> hahaha...you're getting sleeeeeeeeeeeeepy.........
[06:49] <BlindWolf8> Hmmmm...
[06:57] <BlindWolf8> Tried to connect via good ol' FTP, and Bazaar Explorer crashed
[06:58] <Peng_> Ew, FTP. Please, use SFTP.
[06:59] <BlindWolf8> I most def. would, but I will be sharing the code with one other person, and since I'm on a shared server, my only option would be to generate SSH keys instead of using passwords, as the Shared server only allows one SSH password for the user
[07:00] <BlindWolf8> but, I am shying away from SSH keys sicne I am trying to make the setup of Bazaar as painless as possible
[07:00] <Peng_> FTP is wrought of pain.
[07:02] <BlindWolf8> Yeah...but does Bazaar Explorer support private/public keys?
[07:02] <Peng_> No clue. Why wouldn't it?
[07:03] <BlindWolf8> I don't see anything like it in the interface...I may have to go searching around for a plugin
[07:05] <Peng_> Is this Windows? I avoid thinking about SSH on Windows.
[07:06] <BlindWolf8> Yeah, the person I'll be working with are on Windows boxes...the server's Linux.
[10:39] <thumper> sometimes I really hate line endings :(
[10:46] <lifeless> ouch?
[10:52] <thumper> lifeless: hi
[10:52] <thumper> my cunning conflict detection of '>>>>>>>\n' in lines
[10:52] <thumper> is failing due ot \r\n
[10:52] <thumper> s/ot/to/
[10:52] <thumper> lifeless: where are you?
[10:56] <lifeless> bangkok
[10:57] <lifeless> thumper: I think bzrlib has routines for that
[10:57] <lifeless> thumper: follow the 'auto resolve' code paths.
[10:57] <lifeless> boarding in a sec
[10:57] <thumper> hmm...
[10:58] <thumper> I'm thinking I should handle changing the http post param line endings to whatever the current file is using
[10:59] <lifeless> yes
[10:59] <lifeless> or rather
[10:59] <lifeless> define a normalised canonical form
[10:59] <lifeless> for all your files
[10:59] <lifeless> use that, always.
[10:59] <lifeless> bzrlib filters can help with that
[11:03] <thumper> hmm...
[11:03] <lifeless> I'll be in chch from ~1 tomorrow
[11:04] <lifeless> if you want more involved discussion after work or whatever
[11:05] <thumper> no point commenting now
[14:54] <steffan> hi. installed the Bazaar bundle on 10.6 Snow Leopard but the uninstaller script fails - aparently this is already known but does someone have another script that can be used?
[17:58] <steffan> hi. installed the Bazaar bundle on 10.6 Snow Leopard but the uninstaller script fails - aparently this is already known but does someone have another script that can be used?
[20:01] <GaryvdM> Hi jelmer.
[20:01] <GaryvdM> How much have you looked into rabitvcs
[20:01] <GaryvdM> *rabbitvcs
[20:04] <GaryvdM> jelmer: E.g. Do you know if they plan to implement neutral dialogs, or plan to reuse existing vcs specific dialogs?
[20:11] <GaryvdM> jelmer: I'm interested in having a rabbit-bzr-qbzr, but there is no reason why not to also have a rabbit-bzr-gtk.
[20:11] <GaryvdM> jelmer: I'm going to send a mail to their mailing list.
[20:50] <bialix> hi GaryvdM , how's your trip?
[20:51] <bialix> luks: so sad you did not made it :-(
[21:10] <steffan> hi. installed the Bazaar bundle on 10.6 Snow Leopard but the uninstaller script fails - aparently this is already known but does someone have another script that can be used?
[21:11] <GaryvdM> bialix: Hi. Back at home. Quite tired.
[21:11] <GaryvdM> bialix: So good to meet you.
[21:11]  * bialix tired too, slept all day
[21:14] <lifeless> morning
[21:15] <AdamDV> afternoon
[21:15] <steffan> anyone using Snow Leopard with Bazaar?
[22:02] <cbz> i didn't realise that bzr by default downloads the remote repository in the same repository format it is stored on the remote side
[22:02] <cbz> is there a reason for this?
[22:02] <steffan> anyone using Bazaar on Snow Leopard?
[22:02] <Peng_> cbz: Converting is slooow.
[22:02] <Peng_> cbz: And leads to interoperability problems.
[22:05] <bialix> ~~~
[23:17] <cbz> i didnt realise the repository format was exposed over the wire
[23:17] <cbz> i assumed that whatever went over the wire was generic concepts only (branches/tags ec)
[23:21] <spiv> cbz: we'd like to get the smart protocol to that point, although it hasn't been a top priority because the practical benefits are fairly small compared to other things we've been working on
[23:23] <spiv> cbz: regarding your earlier question, defaulting to using the format as the source has the advantage that you can be sure there's minimal friction getting your work merged back into the source
[23:24] <spiv> i.e. it avoids assuming that everyone is using the latest bzr.
[23:37] <mkanat> spiv: The practical benefits would have been nice for read-only backwards compatibility across on-disk formats.
[23:39] <mkanat> But yeah, like Peng_ said, that would involve a conversion, which would be slow.
[23:47] <spiv> mkanat: yes, and also the rich-root transition would have thwarted that :/
[23:52] <mkanat> Yes. Well, hopefully 2a will be the stable format for a while....