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=== claydoh_ is now known as claydoh
brianherman_homeHow do I report a bug if the bug system crashed02:28
txwikingerbrianherman_home: bugs.launchpad.net or bugs.kde.org02:31
brianherman_homeI can see it on the right hand side02:36
brianherman_homecant02:36
brianherman_homemy bad02:37
brianherman_homei was on the wrong page02:37
brianherman_homeis kubuntu-7 the right one02:38
* ScottK waves from home.03:35
macoScottK: welcome back to the DC-ish area!03:35
ScottKThanks.03:35
* claydoh waves back03:35
imbrandonello ScottK 03:37
ScottKIt would be nice if anyone could offer up any distro specific stuff we have that Debian doesn't in the comments to this post: http://pusling.com/blog/?p=16304:18
imbrandonScottK: added, but it says something about moderation04:22
imbrandondunno if that is your blog or not04:22
ScottKNo, it's not.04:22
ScottKThey guy is one of the ldead Debian KDE guys.04:22
ScottKThey/the04:23
ScottKtxwikinger: Did you file a bug about the lernid thing?04:23
ScottKWhat you've got there is enough to make it reasonably tractable to fix.04:23
txwikingerScottK: no not yet04:23
ScottKOK.04:23
txwikingerI try to fix it04:23
ScottKEven better.04:23
txwikingerI don't know why it uses gnome-keyring04:24
txwikingerit should use kwallet when on KDE04:25
txwikingerbut then.. I don't think it does not even need it04:25
jussiScottK: when you login again, could you remind me of the name of the email app you were recommending to me?10:14
apacheloggerjussi: mutt? ^^10:26
jussiapachelogger: no, for android ;)10:26
apacheloggermutt :P10:26
jussilol10:26
* apachelogger notes that there is no good email app for android he knows of10:27
apacheloggerquite frankly it does not suprise me after the how to not do development for android talk last week10:27
apacheloggerevery android dev does work like that..10:27
* apachelogger better stops before he goes into emergency shutdown again ^^10:27
AlexzAKHi everybody10:28
jussiapachelogger: lol10:30
jussiapachelogger: ScottK was telling me about one he quite liked, and I just forgot the name10:30
apacheloggeraloha AlexzAK10:31
apacheloggerjussi: well, hence my assumption that it must have been mutt for android :P10:31
apacheloggeronly mutt is likeable10:31
apacheloggereverything else is barable10:31
jussilol10:31
AlexzAKI want to try being kubuntu developer... Can anyone help me with it?10:33
AlexzAKCan you give me some small task to do? 10:33
jussiIm off in any case.10:33
jussiAlexzAK: just hang out, Im sure apachelogger or someone will make you a minion and give you minion tasks :D10:34
AlexzAKjussi: Sounds good :)10:34
apacheloggeromg!!!10:34
apacheloggeromg with the powers of two!!! no danimo!!!10:34
apacheloggerand my qt creator is crashing10:35
apacheloggerAlexzAK: do you have enough time to do "research"?10:36
AlexzAKapachelogger: What kind of "research"?10:38
apacheloggerfinding out how many different versions there are of bug 55451410:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 554514 in akonadi "cant find resource agents" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55451410:38
apacheloggerby versions I mean, possible causes10:39
apacheloggerbecause from the comments I would say there are at least 3 (too slow machine, broken database, slow startup because of database recovery after incomplete shutdown)10:39
apacheloggerthat said10:39
apacheloggerAlexzAK: I think it might help a bit if you'd tell us what exactly youd be interested to do :)10:40
apacheloggerI would very much recommend to "scratch an own itch" as they as10:40
apacheloggerdo something about something that annoys you, or that you want to have...10:40
jussiIm still here and +1 to that suggestion10:40
jussibut Im going :D10:41
* apachelogger is wondering how many times jussi tries to go off and winds up back here per day ^^10:42
jussiapachelogger: I came back because I had no idea how much money was in my bank account and I needed to check :D10:43
apachelogger^^10:43
apacheloggeroh10:43
apacheloggerjussi: time to get rid of the uds chans10:43
jussiapachelogger: I need to bother tsimpson about that. 10:43
jussibut you are correct10:43
apacheloggerwell, my quassel has thrown them away already10:44
* apachelogger pets quassel and continues wondering why his qt creator crashses10:44
AlexzAKapachelogger: I dont know what i want to do... "scratch an own itch" - is good... i have to think about it... 10:45
AlexzAKapachelogger:  I'll try to find out how many different versions there are of bug 55451410:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 554514 in akonadi "cant find resource agents" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55451410:45
apacheloggeraha!10:47
apacheloggerit's all kde's fault10:47
apacheloggersomehow qt creator runs into a segfault when loading the icon cache for the config dialog10:47
apacheloggervery weird10:47
AlexzAKapachelogger: I'am can't reproduce bug 554514 :( 11:31
AlexzAKbtw, i have kmail configs created on 9.04 and upgraded to 10.04 :(11:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 554514 in akonadi "cant find resource agents" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55451411:31
AlexzAKapachelogger: and i'am using it as gnome user...11:32
apacheloggersee, that is the beauty of this bug, I cant reproduce it either11:33
apacheloggerwell, actually I can if I logout of a session with a billion apps11:33
apacheloggerthen for some reason akonadi might not quit properly and leave the database dirty, hence causing recovery on next login, which then will trigger errors11:33
* apachelogger is tempted to close that report really11:34
apacheloggerit is not a problem it is a symptom of a problem11:34
apacheloggeractually, various problems :(11:34
AlexzAKapachelogger: I'll try to break my akonadi db.... :) (Of course with backups)11:35
apacheloggerSput: say you have to store standard cpp objects in a vector, would you concur that storing pointers to the objects is the best way to do it?11:36
Sputapachelogger: yes, though QList<> internally does that already11:36
Sputafaik11:36
* apachelogger notes that one needs a copy constructor to push to QList ;)11:37
apacheloggernoticed that yesterday11:37
apacheloggeranyhow, I am working on a course exercise right now11:37
Sputapachelogger: moving around pointers is also more efficient than copying objects, obviously11:37
apacheloggerAlexzAK: I usually forget backups so I end up breaking useful data ;)11:37
Sputapachelogger: but yeah, QList does that automagically11:37
apacheloggeryeah11:38
Sput(I think copying a QList<T> will try to copy the objects though, copying a QList<T*> won't)11:39
apacheloggerah, that would make sense11:40
apacheloggerahhh11:41
apacheloggerq_foreach might be why I needed a cctor11:41
apacheloggerIIRC it "simulates" constness by copying the objects first11:41
Sputapachelogger: yes, that's why you use const refs instead11:42
Sputforeach(const QVariant &v, myList) { }11:42
apacheloggerahhh11:42
apacheloggerdidnt know that works ^^11:43
Sputthat avoids the copy and is moar efficient if you don't want to modify the elements11:43
Sputalso, sometimes iterators are the better alternative :)11:43
Sputyou should listen to Thiago moar often!11:43
apacheloggergroovy11:46
apachelogger\o/11:46
* apachelogger hugs Sput11:46
* Sput feels hugged11:46
Quintasan|Szelhey11:51
Quintasan|Szelcan anyone tell me if there was some sort of upgrade for newtwok manager?11:52
Quintasan|SzelI can't connect to my home network anymore :/11:52
AlexzAKapachelogger: I've found bug 572506... I think It is dublicate to Bug #554514.... I marked em as duplicate. Am i doing right?11:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 572506 in akonadi "Akonadi crashes on start kmail, the kmail stops (dup-of: 554514)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57250611:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 554514 in akonadi "cant find resource agents" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55451411:55
apacheloggerunlikely11:56
apacheloggerAlexzAK: as I said, the resources agent not found error is rather a symptom, one of the causes can be a crashing akonadi11:57
apacheloggerQuintasan|Szel: check your dpkg.log :P11:57
Quintasan|Szelhngh I have IP conflicts on DHCP based nedtwork11:58
Quintasan|Szelnetwork*11:58
apacheloggermust be one crappy dhcp then :P11:59
Quintasan|Szelhmm12:08
* apachelogger finds it awfully silent today13:32
apacheloggerhm13:38
apacheloggerNightrose: did you happen to see my passport?13:38
Nightroseapachelogger: was i supposed to be looking for it? :D13:38
apacheloggernah, just thought maybe you saw it13:38
* apachelogger cant find it *blush*13:39
Nightroseheh not good13:41
apacheloggeras if one needed one when going to ch :P13:41
apacheloggerbed linen \o/13:42
apacheloggerCHF \o/13:42
apacheloggertravelling \o/13:42
apacheloggerah!13:42
apacheloggerI think I know where my passport is13:43
apacheloggerha!13:43
apacheloggerNightrose: I can attend the sprint \o/13:43
* apachelogger has a valid passport13:43
Nightroseweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee13:44
apacheloggerI couldnt go to the US though ^^13:44
* Nightrose can fortunately13:44
Nightroseand will13:44
Nightrosewohoooo13:44
apachelogger\o/13:44
apacheloggerNightrose: that thiny in portland, wasn't it?13:44
Nightrosejep jep13:44
apachelogger\o/13:44
apacheloggermaybe you meet linus, then you can complain about all the brokenness13:45
Nightrosehaha13:45
Nightroseapachelogger: !13:45
apacheloggeroh13:45
apachelogger!!13:45
Nightrosewe will see us sooon in randa!!!13:45
Nightrose\o/13:45
apachelogger\o/13:45
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: So I'm thinking it might be best if you do the akonadi merge.13:46
apacheloggerranda is at 1440 meter above sea level13:46
apacheloggerthat means super cold!13:46
Nightrose:/13:46
* apachelogger packs winter clothing13:46
Nightrosenooooooooooooooooooo13:46
Nightrosei want sun13:46
Nightroseand sea and stuff13:46
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: did you have to scare my now Oo -.- :/13:46
JontheEchidnalol13:46
apacheloggerNightrose: well, then we should not go do sprinting in the mountains13:46
Nightrosetrue that13:47
* apachelogger isnt much of a fan of mountains anyway13:47
apacheloggerNightrose: we could attract loads of southern european contributors to KDE and then have good reasons to sprint there13:48
Nightroseyes!13:48
apacheloggerwe shall discuss this at the sprint then13:48
Nightrosei heard greece needs more geardheads13:49
apacheloggerh13:49
Nightrose-d13:49
apacheloggeroh13:49
apacheloggergreece neads more of everything13:49
Nightrose:D13:49
apacheloggerbut since germany bought greece, we could just ship the KDE devs off to the southern european colony13:49
apachelogger"Don't forget your walking shoes!"13:50
apacheloggernow13:50
apacheloggerI do not have walking shoes!13:50
apacheloggerI have dancing shoes, I have biking shoes, I have ski shoes, I have skateboard shoes13:50
apacheloggerbut I do not have walking shoes -.-13:51
apacheloggerNightrose: do you know whether we are getting wasted on arrival day?13:52
Nightroseno idea13:52
Nightrosei guess we'll find out13:52
apacheloggerwell, if we do not, I would stay longer in zurich :P13:52
Nightroseno way!13:52
apacheloggerget wasted there, then sleep in the train, then hack all night, then be all karp0tt the first day of sprint and come up with world changing idea so that I can go home on the second day13:54
Nightrosehmmmmm let me think about it13:55
Nightroseno!13:55
apacheloggermeh!13:55
apacheloggerNightrose: when are you, where are you, why are you arriving?13:56
apacheloggerand with what or whom or something13:56
Nightroseno idea - depends on the mightly fregl13:56
apacheloggerand that brings me to the question why fregl is not in here!13:57
apacheloggerthat is no way to treat one's downstream -.-13:57
Quintasan\o13:57
apacheloggero/13:57
Nightrosehe's traveling 13:57
apacheloggerand that is a reason for not lurking?13:58
Nightrosehmmm possibly14:00
Nightroseidunno14:00
apacheloggerso he is not even using quassel!14:00
apacheloggeromg!14:01
apacheloggerhorrible14:01
Nightroseafaik he is14:02
apacheloggerthat is even more horrible14:03
Nightroseyou're not exactly making sense ;-P14:03
Nightrose*hug*14:03
apacheloggerhaving quassel and not being online!14:03
apacheloggeranyhow14:03
* Nightrose goes and prepares foodish stuff14:03
apacheloggeris http://community.kde.org/ new or something?14:03
Nightrosesemi new14:03
apacheloggerit doesnt seem to know my openid14:03
shadeslayerapachelogger: launchpad openid?14:04
apacheloggerno, I meant that literally14:05
apacheloggermy myopenid ^^14:05
shadeslayer:P14:06
apacheloggerahhh14:09
apacheloggerI was using my google account14:09
apacheloggerNightrose: btw, the kde wikis should be hooked up with that ubuntu login service thingy14:10
apacheloggerwould be ubercool14:10
shadeslayerapachelogger: single sign on14:10
apacheloggerthats what I said, isnt it :P14:11
shadeslayerapachelogger: ubuntu login service thingy... hahaha14:12
shadeslayerapachelogger: oh btw can you give a talk about kubuntu sometime in august? 14:13
shadeslayervia skype14:13
apacheloggervia skype? Oo14:13
shadeslayerapachelogger: or any other VoIP14:14
shadeslayeri know its very far off.. still..14:14
apacheloggerohhh14:14
* apachelogger almost forgot about froscon's cfp14:15
apacheloggeroh my14:15
shadeslayerkubotu: np14:15
kubotushadeslayer_ is listening to "Back in Black" by AC/DC [Back in Black, 1994] [http://open.spotify.com/track/76O4RYvalfxxUb4omvoY2v] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/shadeslayer_ for more14:15
apacheloggershadeslayer: well, I suppose I can, but I find it very very very very odd14:15
shadeslayerapachelogger: why?14:16
apacheloggerI could just as well write it down and post it as blog post :P14:16
apacheloggerjust like irc talks it takes away everything that makes a talk talkworthy14:16
apacheloggeryou could post a writen version and then do a Q&A, and it would be no different :(14:16
shadeslayerapachelogger: hehe.. well ill be holding a meeting sort of thing,and ill be launching 2 socities,a LUG and a coding group14:17
apacheloggerhm, I really need more background information on this, but generally, yes I could do a talk14:18
Quintasankubotu: np14:19
kubotuQuintasan is listening to "SOMEONE ELSE" by Asumi Kana & Fujita Saki & Kitamura Eri -- see http://www.last.fm/user/Quintasan for more14:19
Quintasanoh14:19
Quintasannice14:19
* Quintasan hands apachelogger some cookies14:19
Quintasanneversfelde: late congrats14:19
apacheloggerNightrose: btw, I was thinking about proposing a super duper beginners talk for froscon ... stuff like, how to change a wallpaper, how to create a playlist, how to clip my pictures14:19
shadeslayerQuintasan: theres identi.ca support as well :)14:19
Quintasankubotu: order cookies for neversfelde14:19
* kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to neversfelde.14:19
apacheloggerit is the cookies14:19
apachelogger!14:19
Quintasanshadeslayer: ha? how do I enable it? :D14:19
apachelogger\o/14:19
neversfeldeQuintasan: thank you14:20
shadeslayerkubotu: identi.ca14:20
shadeslayer:P14:20
Quintasankubotu: identi.ca14:20
Quintasan:S14:20
apacheloggerkubotu: help identi.ca14:20
kubotuno help for topic identi.ca14:20
apacheloggeromg14:20
apacheloggerkubotu: help 14:20
kubotuhelp topics: 10 core modules: auth, basics, config, filters, httputil, irclog, remote, unicode, userdata, wordlist; 50 plugins: alias, autoop, autorejoin, bans, bar, botsnack, chanserv, debug, dns, eightball, excuse, factoids, googlefight, greet, hangman, host, identica, iplookup, karma, keywords, lastfm, modes, nickrecover, nickserv, note, q, quote, reaction, remind, ri, roshambo, rot, rss, salut, script, search,14:20
kubotuseen, shiritori, spotify, time, topic, translator, tumblr, twitter, uno, urban, usermodes, weather, wheeloffortune, wserver (help <topic> for more info)14:20
apacheloggerkubotu: help identica14:20
kubotuidentica status [nick] => show nick's (or your) status, use 'identica friends status [nick]' to also show the friends' timeline | identica dent [status] => updates your status on identi.ca | identica identify [username] [password] => ties your nick to your identi.ca username and password | identica actions [on|off] => enable/disable denting of actions (/me does ...)14:20
apacheloggerah14:20
apacheloggerthere we go14:20
apacheloggerthe identify should obviously be done in a query ;)14:21
Quintasan:D14:21
shadeslayerkubotu: identica status14:22
kubotu@neversfelde: he wants to check out the ' new ' features in !maverick :P (2 days, 22 hours, 20 minutes and 17 seconds ago via gwibber)14:22
Quintasankubotu: identica status14:22
kubotukilling @apachelogger 's bot (1 minute and 46 seconds ago via rbot)14:22
Quintasanawesome14:22
Quintasan:314:22
shadeslayerQuintasan: twitter support as well :)14:23
QuintasanI have my Twitter linked with Identi.ca14:23
Quintasanso no need for it :P14:23
QuintasanI'm also thinking about getting rid of Twitter14:23
JontheEchidnaI can't figure out why pbuilder is failing to satisfy the build dependencies :S http://paste.ubuntu.com/434380/14:28
shadeslayerQuintasan: any idea how to post from twitter to identi.ca ?14:29
Quintasanshadeslayer: beats me :/14:29
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: universe vs. main?14:30
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: this is a universe package I'm building14:30
JontheEchidnaactually, a package not in ubuntu14:30
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: that still requires you to have pbuilder configured to include universe :P14:30
JontheEchidnait should...14:30
apacheloggersince libaqbanking29-dev is in universe that is my best guess14:30
JontheEchidnaI can install libaqbanking29-dev just fine in the pbuilder14:31
apacheloggeris it >= 4.2.4?14:31
apacheloggercause I only see 4.2.3 in lucid14:32
JontheEchidnashould be in maverick: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libaqbanking/4.2.4-114:32
JontheEchidnaoh, is this a lucid pbuilder?14:32
JontheEchidna*facepalm*14:33
apachelogger^^14:33
shadeslayerhehe14:34
JontheEchidnaSo it seems that somebody placed an XL UDS t-shirt into the Medium pile :/14:38
shtylmanhahaha14:38
* shadeslayer can only imagine the state of the medium pile14:39
JontheEchidna^it was empty, except for that t-shirt, actually14:39
shadeslayerhahaha14:39
JontheEchidnaoh well, I have the neat crew t-shirt14:40
ryanakcaHmmm... cmake is on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/MaverickKDEMerges but not merges.ubuntu.com ... I'm guessing that that means I'd have to manually merge the two?15:00
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I think they did that so you have to come again to uds-n15:02
apacheloggernarcotic ninja15:03
apacheloggeroh15:03
apacheloggernude ninja15:03
apachelogger^^15:03
AlexzAKapachelogger: I have bug 554514 8-)15:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 554514 in akonadi "cant find resource agents" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55451415:10
AlexzAKapachelogger: Fresh kubuntu install; bootup; login; start "akonadi configuration"; have error15:11
apacheloggerthat would be the sloweness-cause then15:12
apacheloggerlots of things to do at first start15:12
apacheloggerso the timeout gets exceeded15:12
AlexzAKapachelogger: I dont think so15:13
AlexzAKapachelogger: but i need to check it out15:13
apacheloggerAlexzAK: does the error dialog also say that the server is not registered at dbus?15:14
AlexzAKapachelogger: yes15:14
* apachelogger finds the ordering of errors a bit stupid in the dialog15:14
apacheloggersee15:14
apacheloggerif the server is not registered to dbus15:14
AlexzAKi'll attach log in a few minutes15:14
apacheloggerit either is dead or was just not registered at the time the check was done15:14
apacheloggerthose two cases however imply that no resource agents are found15:15
apacheloggerso the unavailablility of akonadi server is really what causes the no resource agents15:15
AlexzAKapachelogger: http://pastebin.com/Vdpjk1aN15:16
apacheloggerah15:17
apacheloggerFile content of '/home/testuser/.local/share/akonadi/akonadiserver.error':15:17
apacheloggerControl process died, committing suicide!15:17
apacheloggerthat is the random-crash-cause15:17
AlexzAKapachelogger: my buggy kubuntu was idle around 30minues but still have thet problem15:17
* apachelogger couldnt reproduce that at all15:18
apacheloggerFile content of '/home/testuser/.local/share/akonadi/akonadi_control.error':15:18
apacheloggerD-Bus session bus went down - quitting15:18
apacheloggerthat however looks like dbus died15:18
apacheloggerdbus died -> making the control pocess die -> implying death onto the server15:18
apacheloggerAlexzAK: please attach that to the bug, it's a whole different issue it would seem15:19
apacheloggerthanks :)15:19
apacheloggerAlexzAK: maybe you could also attach the ~/.xsession-errors file15:19
AlexzAKapachelogger: Do you mean file this issue as a new bug report?15:21
apacheloggerjust ditch it in there15:22
apacheloggerI'll need to divide it at some poine anyway15:22
apacheloggerbecause that makes it 4 issues that lead up to the symptom :S15:22
AlexzAKhttp://pastebin.com/arVV4rCc15:23
apacheloggerryanakca: maybe it does not need merging?15:25
apacheloggerohm15:25
apacheloggerAlexzAK: and that is on a completely new install?15:25
AlexzAKapachelogger: yes15:25
AlexzAKone reboot, and virtual box additions15:26
apacheloggerlooks like dbus was either not started at all or crashed not long after that15:26
AlexzAKapachelogger: Do you understeand anything? %)15:26
AlexzAKI have that virtual computer here15:26
AlexzAKWhat i should to do?15:27
apacheloggerin line 16 kded (the background service app) tried to attach to various dbus interfaces and failed with an error i never saw before15:27
apacheloggerand kded gets started pretty early in the startkde process (hence it is already at line 16 ;))15:27
AlexzAKYes15:27
apacheloggernow if you search that log for d-bus or dbus you will find a lot more of similar and not so similar results15:27
apacheloggerall suggesting that no dbus daemon was running or it was rather broken15:28
AlexzAKThis just mean "something wrong with D-Bus"...15:28
AlexzAKHow can i chech it status?15:28
apacheloggerAlexzAK: try a restart15:29
apacheloggerif that does not change the situation then we'll have to digg a lot deeper15:29
AlexzAKapachelogger: dbus-daemon process running...15:30
AlexzAKtwo of them15:30
AlexzAKI'll do reboot...15:30
Mamarokfolks, where are the KDE and Kubuntu shirts in that pic? -> http://www.flickr.com/photos/kwwii/4610334160/sizes/o/15:32
Mamarokonly found Riddell so far15:32
JontheEchidnaI'm sitting next to Riddell15:33
MamarokJontheEchidna: not wearing a blue shirt or a Kubuntu logo :(15:35
JontheEchidnaI did wear my blue "Sonic the Hedgehog" shirt the next day15:35
JontheEchidnaI had crew duty that day, which was why I was wearing the yellow shirt15:36
Mamarok*sigh* there is a serious lack of Kubuntu evidence in that picture :(15:37
JontheEchidnaWe should petition for blue lanyards next time15:38
Mamarokand wear KDE or Kubuntu shirts, or at least having one ready for the group picture, else people will never even guess there are KDE people there15:39
JontheEchidnaI see agateau in the very center of the picture15:39
JontheEchidnadantti's to the left of Riddell, and rbelem is behind dantti15:39
Mamarokand noone is recognizable as a KDE person :(15:41
AlexzAKapachelogger: Maybe you are right about slow machine... I have this problem again :)15:46
AlexzAKapachelogger: it is so good when bug can be reproduced :)15:47
apacheloggerAlexzAK: yeah, just make sure you snapshot that virtual machine ^^15:47
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: you did not get blue ones?15:48
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: nope15:48
apacheloggeroutrages15:48
apacheloggerso you had to wear them orange thingies?15:48
JontheEchidnayeah15:48
apacheloggerOo15:48
JontheEchidnawell, I suppose we didn't have to, but otherwise we wouldn't have had a nametag15:48
apacheloggeryou know what, next uds I will just make sure to attend myself and take kde ones with me15:49
* apachelogger plays spot-the-scott15:50
AlexzAKapachelogger: It is seems "Akonadi Configuration" just douse not start akonadi server...15:58
AlexzAKapachelogger: It can be started by pressing "start" button on "Akonadi Server Configuration" tab15:59
AlexzAK:(15:59
JontheEchidnaScottK: Could you take a look at kmymoney in new queue? It wasn't autosynced from Debian (and it needed some changes to build anyways) so I did an initial merge and uploaded16:05
ScottKjussi: K-9 mail16:09
ScottKapachelogger: ^^^ is at least good enough I didn't return my phone over lack of email clients.16:10
Mamarokoh, btw, there is a release candidate for the new KMyMoney for KDE 4, any chance to have that soon in the PPA?16:10
AlexzAKapachelogger: I've just created one contact http://imagepaste.nullnetwork.net/viewimage.php?id=94916:10
JontheEchidnaMamarok: oh, really? I just uploaded whatever release came before that, it seems16:12
JontheEchidnato maverick, which is not exactly a ppa though16:12
JontheEchidnaI think claydoh has been doing a KMyMoney ppa16:13
Mamaroknot for the KDE4 version, sadly16:13
Mamarokunless I missed any news16:13
Mamarokthey released the RC yesterday or today IIRC16:13
JontheEchidnahttps://edge.launchpad.net/~claydoh/+archive/kmymoney2-kde416:13
claydohJontheEchidna: Mamarok I do have it in my ppa, the rc 16:13
ScottKapachelogger: You live in an odd place for a person who is not a fan of mountains.16:13
claydohexcept for lpia, for  some reason16:14
Mamarokclaydoh: oh, then I need to upgrade ASAP, I really missed that16:14
JontheEchidnalpia support has been dropped, iirc16:14
ScottKlpia is dead.16:14
MamarokScottK: there are not that many mountains in his place, come to Switzerland if you want to see real high ones16:14
claydohJontheEchidna: the failing to build is not to bad then :)16:14
apacheloggerScottK, jussi: ah k9 is indeed one of the better android clients16:14
* ScottK is still deep in backscroll, but chatview FTW.16:14
JontheEchidnaclaydoh: I'm surprised soyuz is still dispatching lpia builds at this point, myself16:15
ScottKclaydoh: Hardy is the only release that has a significant lpia user base.16:15
ScottKIt just does for releases where lpia exists.16:15
apacheloggerScottK: in Graz the definition of mountain is, lets say, a bit off ;)16:15
ScottKapachelogger: Fair enough.16:15
* claydoh has very meager packaging skilz anyway. only karmic spat out the error16:15
apacheloggerScottK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grazer_Schloßberg16:16
ScottKlpia on karmic doesn't actually even work, so don't worry about it at all.16:16
apacheloggeroh16:16
apacheloggerwell16:16
apacheloggerit is 123 m16:16
apacheloggerwhich of course the wikipedia artcile doesnt mention ;)16:16
claydohScottK: I haven't been worruing due to lack of complaints16:16
Mamarokclaydoh: you don't have deb packages for it, don't you? WOuld be nice to have16:16
claydohMamarok: in my kmymoney ppa: https://edge.launchpad.net/~claydoh/+archive/kmymoney2-kde416:18
Mamarokhm, it didn't prompt me for that, let's see...16:18
apacheloggerah16:19
claydohwell Karmic just finished building, literally minutes ago16:19
* apachelogger just debugged inline linker madness -.-16:19
Mamaroknope, no kmymoney-dbg package in any repo16:19
Mamarokand I use Lucid16:19
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: does krazy actually complain about inline functions?16:19
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: dunno16:19
Mamaroktypo, sorry, I ment debug package16:19
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: cause I think the codying style should forbid inline :P16:19
* apachelogger is all for fobidding madness actually16:19
apacheloggerand inline functions are as mad as it gets16:19
apacheloggeror discourage the use16:20
claydohMamarok: no dbg package16:20
Mamarokhm, is there an IRC channel for KMyMoney?16:21
claydohthoug I should rectify that, and also noticed that the rc is now compatible with the newer aqbanking stuff16:22
Mamarokit doesn't let me open an older file, talking about a bad passphrase16:22
Mamarokand I never even typed the passphrase yet16:22
claydohMamarok: mo, iirc. Mostly the user and devel mailing lists16:22
claydohMamarok: I kied there is a #kmymoney probably very idle :)16:23
claydohthe maine devs seem to be there though16:24
Mamarok=OK, I try erasing all the config files I have, let's se if that helps16:24
claydoher main 16:24
JontheEchidnaHa, I thought I'd never see they day when the Doctor ran over old people in a milk van.16:25
ScottKJontheEchidna: Instead of changing kde4 to kde in the doc install path you can change it to kde* and it will work on both Debian and Ubuntu.  Please fix that in the Debian packaging svn.  If you don't have access, please let me know and we'll get that fixed.16:25
JontheEchidnaScottK: ok16:26
ScottKJontheEchidna: Accepted.16:26
JontheEchidnaScottK: In the future, would it still be worth it to do a merge over boost and the package description?16:26
JontheEchidnathanks16:26
ScottKIf boost is the only thing, it's not worth keeping.  I'd suggest discussing with Debian a wording that would work in both distros so we can sync.16:27
Mamarokhm, no way to open the old file :(16:27
JontheEchidnaScottK: imo mentioning squeeze should be left to the debian/changelog entry that introduced the transitional package16:27
AlexzAKapachelogger: are you there?16:29
apacheloggernot really, whats up?16:29
ScottKJontheEchidna: I suspect you are correct, but doing it the other way is not wrong, so it's a question of discussion with Debian and coming to a common understanding.16:30
AlexzAKi think if you start 'kontact' with stopped akonadi you get error16:30
apacheloggerwell yeah, kontact includes kaddressbook and kaddressbook does not work without akonadi at all16:30
apacheloggeralso kmail indirectly uses kaddressbook for contact lookups16:31
AlexzAKapachelogger: i have buggy version on virtual pc and dont know what to do :(16:31
ScottKJontheEchidna: The reason kmymoney didn't get sync'ed is sync-source and sync-source-new are two different things and I don't think anyone ran sync-source-new yet.16:32
AlexzAKapachelogger: Akonadi MUST start with login?16:32
AlexzAKapachelogger: or by demand?16:33
ScottKCurrently we start on demand which is a better design,  but it often takes too long.16:33
JontheEchidnaScottK: you know those conflicts/replaces issues you were talking about at UDS?17:11
ScottKVaguely?17:12
JontheEchidnaWhere the version wasn't bumped high enough for the backported packages from the previous distro release17:12
ScottKAh, yes17:12
JontheEchidnaI believe those all came about during merges with Debian17:12
JontheEchidnabefore we upgrade to the beta of KDE 4.next17:12
yuriyhi everyone17:13
yuriyare specs from UDS up?17:13
JontheEchidnayuriy: mostly, I think: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuMaverickSpecs17:13
ScottKJontheEchidna: Perhaps, but they were going to be wrong either way as people used the current version as the baseline for conflicts/replaces and then later 4.3.3 -> 4.3.5 got done17:13
JontheEchidnaScottK: Agreed. This presents an interesting problem, though. We can't exactly bump it up to 4.4.60 now since it's not in the archive, and < 4.4.3 will cause those upgrade issues17:14
JontheEchidnaPerhaps we should bump to < 4.4.3 for now, making comments in debian/control to revisit this during beta packaging?17:15
ScottKJontheEchidna: I'd hold off on merging such changes and do them with the new release.17:16
JontheEchidnaIn the case of kde4libs that would be most of the merge itself. (The huge split)17:16
ScottKOK, then I'd just defer on that one.17:17
JontheEchidnaDefer the kde4libs merge to beta?17:17
JontheEchidna(KDE beta)17:17
ScottKYes.17:17
ScottKIt's not far off.17:17
JontheEchidnaOk, I'll make a note on the wiki17:17
ScottKWould you also please note I want to do workspace?17:18
ScottKIt's sort of semi-merged at the moment and I want to finish it carefully.17:18
JontheEchidnaok17:18
ScottKThanks.17:19
JontheEchidnaDo you happen to know who does dpkg merges? It would be nice if that could get in soon so that I can upload my pkg-kde-tools merge17:19
ScottKJontheEchidna: cjwatson.  He said he'd have it done soon after the bzr Debian imports were finished.17:21
JontheEchidnaNice17:21
ScottKfinished/fixed17:21
ScottKThey've been blocked for < 1 week due to breakage in the Debian archive.17:21
JontheEchidnaIt looks like we'll actually have infastructure to support the use of symbols files with the new pkg-kde-tools17:21
ScottKNice.17:22
ScottKBTW, if it does make sense to go ahead and move stuff between files, I don't mind a bit uploading with << 4.4.60 now since anyone upgrading to Maverick in the near term ought to be able to deal with any resulting issues.17:23
ScottKJontheEchidna: Did you get a chance to look at the Jockey desktop file issue?17:26
yuriyrekonq by default huh17:26
ScottKYep.17:26
shadeslayerRiddell: its rekonq not Rekonq...17:26
shadeslayerjust a minor change in the wiki..17:27
JontheEchidnaScottK: I'll do that right now17:27
ScottKshadeslayer: It's a wiki.  17:27
ScottK(i.e. fix it)17:27
shadeslayerScottK: doing that right now :)17:27
yuriywell. i hope QtWebkit's memory consumption improves soon17:27
shadeslayerunfourtunately i have to change my LP details a bit first to login 17:28
ScottKExcellent.17:28
JontheEchidnaScottK: Yep, that's the problem right here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/jockey/ubuntu/annotate/head:/kde/jockey-kde.desktop.in17:28
JontheEchidnaRemove the SubstituteUID bit in there and everything'll work17:28
ScottKJontheEchidna: I think we should SRU that.17:28
ScottKI'll file a bug.17:29
JontheEchidnaok17:29
shadeslayerScottK: done17:32
ScottKGreat.17:33
ScottKJontheEchidna: Bug #58137917:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 581379 in jockey "jockey-kde still uses kdesudo on startup" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58137917:35
shadeslayerryanakca: ping17:39
ryanakcapong17:39
shadeslayerryanakca: what is kubuntu.org coded in?17:40
JontheEchidnaScottK: debdiff attatched. Do I need ubuntu-sru approval before or after the upload to -proposed?17:40
ryanakcaWe use Drupal... The theme is PHP + CSS17:40
ryanakcaScottK: Did you have any luck in cornering lamont re: the website?17:40
shadeslayerryanakca: ok,ill be learning PHP in June and July... so i might be able to come up with something to add to the site :)17:41
shadeslayeri guess ill have to learn drupal too17:41
ScottKryanakca: I didn't corner lamont, but I did talk to jpds.  Unfortunately I didn't hear back.17:41
ScottKJontheEchidna: Upload and ubuntu-sru will review in the queue.17:42
shadeslayerryanakca: oh and one more thing,someone on identi.ca said they were making a mockup for kubuntu.org...17:42
shadeslayeri dont remember the name though..17:42
JontheEchidnaScottK: uploaded to -proposed17:42
ryanakcashadeslayer: Ah, we have ofirk's theme waiting for the sysadmins to push through.17:42
shadeslayerryanakca: is there like a preview?17:43
ScottKJontheEchidna: Great.  No we'll wait ...17:43
ScottKNo/Now17:43
ScottKJontheEchidna: I subscribed ubuntu-sru to the bug.17:44
ryanakcashadeslayer: 17:44
ryanakcaoops17:44
shadeslayer:)17:44
ryanakcashadeslayer: http://violetech.org/kubuntu/staging/17:47
shadeslayer:)17:47
shtylmanryanakca: needs new logo17:47
ryanakcashtylman: *nod*17:48
ryanakcaofirk: ^^17:48
shadeslayerits pretty awesome17:48
ScottKAnother reason to be glad we release with KDE SC 4.*.2 and not .0 or .1: http://thomasmcguire.wordpress.com/2010/05/14/akonadi-meeting-and-the-kde-sc-4-5-release/17:55
* ScottK learns something new: http://www.hse.k12.in.us/staff/cvanalstine/echidna_med.jpg18:02
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ScottKWhoever has kubuntu_news on Twitter might ought to update to the new logo.19:03
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rgreeninghey ScottK. Make it home ok?19:15
ScottKYep.19:15
rgreeninggood stuff19:15
rgreeningImma soo tired still19:16
rgreeningha19:16
crimsunmy body never adapted to the +6 hr shift, so I've been on a horrendous 20 hr schedule19:16
rgreeninghe19:17
ScottKI just stayed up all night Friday night which pretty effectively unset my body clock.  I'm on the right schedule, just tired.19:17
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JontheEchidnaI got home at a sane bedtime, and since I was dead tired I got right back on schedule more or less the next day20:05
JontheEchidnaScottK: Actually, thinking about it I don't see anything bad that could happen from making the replace versions 4.4.60 and uploading now.20:51
JontheEchidnaThe betas usually start at .70 or .80, so we won't have the problem of file overwrites slipping through the cracks when packaging those20:55
JontheEchidnaScottK: Could you push meta-kde through new queue too, please?21:04
RiddellJontheEchidna: what is kde-sc-dev-latest ?21:32
JontheEchidnaRiddell: It seems to be a metapackage that Debian is using to ensure that all build depends are at proper versions for new releases21:33
Riddellit seems to have a different version number from the rest, presumably that's deliberate21:34
JontheEchidnayeah, they're updating meta-kde each KDE release to bump that number21:34
JontheEchidnaTheir kdepimlibs then, for example, build-depends on kde-sc-dev-latest21:35
Riddellweirdness, it doesn't depend on anything it just Breaks older stuff21:36
Riddellaccepted21:37
JontheEchidnaIf it depended on anything it would make the whole dependency tree screwy21:37
JontheEchidnaThis hasn't been a huge problem for us, but maybe things are a bit different for Debian21:38
* apachelogger needs to stop writing code22:07
apachelogger    std::cout << "Got exception: " << e.what() << std::endl;22:08
apachelogger    std::cout << "Good-bye o/" << std::endl;22:08
apachelogger    std::cout << "I hope you come visit again soon, I am all alone on your"22:08
apachelogger        "big harddrive, well except for that p0rn over there :'-(" << std::endl;22:08
apacheloggerstupid exceptions make me write silly output -.-22:08

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